Newton Discussion

[AcesPease]

Here is some info I have summarized from CD and the FIRST site. W1 means winning alliance captain. W2 and W3 mean winning alliance picks in order. F1,F2, F3 is for finalist. The shooter mentions are from a CD thread on "Pure Shooters" and the D Dumpers is from a CD thread on Defenders and Dumpers. Looks like a great bunch of robots with maybe a shortage of corner scoring bots.

Team #
11 W1 Top shooter
25 w1,w1 Top shooter
40 F1
49
66 Shooter
71 W2,F2 Shooter
85 W2,F1 Top shooter
93
111 w2,w1 Top shooter
122
133 W3 BAE shooter
151
168
176 f3,w2 D dumper
184
195 D dumper
207
223
229 W2 Top shooter
236
254 w1,w1 Top shooter
280
294
304
322 Shooter, D dumper
340 Shooter
348 D dumper
359
379 D dumper
397
406
440
461 F1 Shooter
476
492
514
527
546
573
612
662
714

Team #
753 f1,w2 D dumper
803
816
846
868
900
928
968 W1 Top shooter
987 W2,F1 Top shooter
1006 W1
1033
1102
1124 W3
1155
1188
1261 W1 Shooter
1272 W1 Shooter, D dumper
1281 W2
1306
1350
1379
1402
1425
1481
1503 W2,W3,W1 Top shooter
1519 W2 BAE shooter
1541
1563
1577
1601
1617
1646
1657 W1
1685
1718
1727
1746
1778
1810 W3
1846
1887 W3
1918
1977 W3

[Rick TYler]

Nice list.

Team 753 is a center-goal shooter that cannot reload during a match, and a superb defensive robot, but it doesn't dump.

Team 492 dumps, dumps in autonomous, and (at Portland) could shoot the center goal from the platform. As always with Titan robots, 492 has an outstanding drive team and plays smart defense.

[Josh Hambright]

Woah 1272 is a shooter now, I cant believe the kids finaly found a way to get the weight to attach one.... erm...

Rather I think your data collection method might be a little flawed, I am assuming that since the team number 1272 was mentioned in the pure shooter thread that you put us into the shooter catagory, however we can only play defense (only play defense feels like an understatement...) and score in the low goal.

[VEN]

1281 is a shooter but an outstanding defense bot, human loaded

[xzvrw2]

ouch
this is going to be a tuff division
but so will curie hahahahaha
good luck teams

[RoboMadi]

WHOA!........... its gonna be tough guys.
heres some info on Team 612
Shooter and Dumper
Can pick Balls from the ground
Human Player can refill too.

Can be defensive and can be offensive

We were 41st in NASA/VCU and 20th at Chesapeake (we would've been 6th if we only had 'ONE' more point...we lost the turning match with 33-32.....that was kinda sad)

Good luck to all the Teams. Really looking forward to see every single one of you.

[379Robocat]

Here's a Little background on Team 379:
(1st regional)Cleveland-28th/42
(2nd)Detroit-16th/33
(3rd)Philly-8th/46

We started off a little rough as I'm sure everyone did with it being the first regional. As we progressed we were getting auto mode 10 Pt's every time. We were ranked 8th out of 46 teams in Philly moving up to 6th during alliance selections and have been picking or picked during these 3 regionals for alliances. We are a very strong defensive robot when need to be and we also score in the side goals. We can be in low gear to play defense and in high gear to shoot across the field to collect balls or score. We are about 13.5 ft/sec in high gear and 4 ft/sec low gear. We have custom built transmissions with a pneumatic shifter for high and low gear with treads. We have pushed 2 robots at the same time in Philly and can easily get up onto the ramp at the end. We can load by HP but prefer to drive around and pick up balls on the floor. Auto mode we start in the first position and drive straight out to the side goal and dump 10. If Need be we can shoot across the field to stop other robots from scoring. This is just a little bit about our robot, so if anyone has any questions about our robot you can post here or PM me and I will respond to you as soon as possible. And if you are looking for a reliable and powerful robot don't forget to check us out. Team 379, hope to hear from people soon.

This looks like a great strong division. Lets go out there and show them that we are the best, robot performance wise and team spirit. Good luck to everyone in our division as well as every other division. Hope to see everyone having a blast in Atlanta and hope to be hearing from some of you soon. :p

[AcesPease]

We started off a little rough as I'm sure everyone did with it being the first regional.



We started slow too. By the end of the New England Regional we had almost everything going well :) . We haven't seen our robot since then :ahh: and I'm starting to forget what it looks like ;) .

In the finals of NE our job was to score 10 points in the corner. Harvest balls after we won autonomous (which we did) and then shoot 3 point goals like crazy. Near the end of the match we got on the ramp with our partners 177 and 1124 (also in Newton).

Can't wait to see the other robots in Newton.

[George A.]

Yes Newton will be a little tough, but Ciniqua is our MC so that means we have the best division out there. I put in to be play by play announcer (for those of you at NJ,NYC, or Philly, you've already heard me)...but alas, I didn't get it. But I'll make sure we get the Georgia dome rocking and take the hardware back to Newton for the second straight year.

ISSAC!!!! NEWTON!!!

[VEN]

Made a newton userbar :D

http://userbarmaker.com/userbars/hobbies/591145247084.png

[xtremehumanheat]

:yikes: wow ive did my homework on the teams in the newton division and believe me its not a walk in the park. team 223 can shot into the lower goals in autonomous mode( either one if neccessary), we are working on shooting into the center goal ( which is getting better cause of the camera) and we can have the robot pick up balls off the floor.

[rees2001]

This is going to be a TOUGH division. I know there will be a few surprises come Saturday afternoon. I believe that at least 5 teams that won a regional or were finalists (or both) that will not make it to the elim's. I would expect that the alliance that represents Newton will have 3 GREAT shooters to take to Einstein. Don't be surprised to see a score around 150+ in the elim’s. The finals will be mind-blowing! I hope the scoring system can keep up.

My math has ~at least
8 unstoppable shooters
7 very good shooters
12 good shooters
2 surprises
29 teams for the elim’s

Uh-Oh….

[Tom Bottiglieri]

This is going to be a TOUGH division. I know there will be a few surprises come Saturday afternoon. I believe that at least 5 teams that won a regional or were finalists (or both) that will not make it to the elim's. I would expect that the alliance that represents Newton will have 3 GREAT shooters to take to Einstein. Don't be surprised to see a score around 150+ in the elim’s. The finals will be mind-blowing! I hope the scoring system can keep up.

My math has ~at least
8 unstoppable shooters
7 very good shooters
12 good shooters
2 surprises
29 teams for the elim’s

Uh-Oh….
I wouldn't be surprised, with all the great shooters, if defensive powerhouses went before the 'good' shooters. :)

[Alex Cormier]

It will indeed be a great division and i can't wait to watch it on the webcast. Now does the webcast have 4 separate videos or can we only watch one feed at a time?

[rees2001]

It will indeed be a great division and i can't wait to watch it on the webcast. Now does the webcast have 4 separate videos or can we only watch one feed at a time?

Webcast? What, you're not going? Say it ain't so....

[Alex Cormier]

Webcast? What, you're not going? Say it ain't so....
Unless team 340 has a hotel room for i and such. :p

I priced it out and all, i need at least $630. That is around 3-4 months of work to pay back the parents. So i made the hard and gut wrenching decision to not go. I'll be watching all Rochester teams and 229!

[George A.]

Who does everyone think will be one of the sleeper teams? We all know about the "power-houses" 25, 71, 111, 254 and so on...but every year there is a team that arises from out of nowhere and really make a name for themselves that the event...

Who do you think it will be?

[Alex Cormier]

Who does everyone think will be one of the sleeper teams? We all know about the "power-houses" 25, 71, 111, 254 and so on...but every year there is a team that arises from out of nowhere and really make a name for themselves that the event...

Who do you think it will be?
I am goign to have to say 1188,49 and 322.

[Corey Balint]

I got a nice big ole list with stats and stuff already written down. I count a few for sure first rounders, and many second rounders. Should have more than enough good shooters here to spread around.
And to Tom, i'd expect the shooters that play a good d to go first before dumper bots. Which, in my mind, there are plenty of.

[Jherbie53]

Who does everyone think will be one of the sleeper teams? We all know about the "power-houses" 25, 71, 111, 254 and so on...but every year there is a team that arises from out of nowhere and really make a name for themselves that the event...

Who do you think it will be?
322 and 1272, these teams only shoot or dump into the lower goals. If you need some defense and there are no more good shooters, then 1272 would be a great teammate. 322 just flies around the field. I'm not sure how much they can push, but they easily score around 20 or more balls a match.

I saw both of these team at regionals. 1272 picked us at Boilermaker and both were at West Michigan, where 322 was seeded #1. They just might be competitive enough to take one of the top 8 seeds away from a 3pt shooter.

[VEN]

you can't really say who's gonna pop out of nowhere until they do...

[Will Hanashiro]

I am goign to have to say 1188,49 and 322.

Well thanks! We're definately going to do our best to be competetive. But as VEN says, you never know who's going to do well in ATL until its done.

[aviv]

I was wondering if where I could find pictures of all the robots in our division if there isnt a place please post yours. here is ours http://www.chiefdelphi.com/media/photos/24436

[Dave Scheck]

You can find many pictures of 111 in our gallery (http://www.wildstang.org/gallery2)

[Chris]

http://www.chiefdelphi.com/media/photos/23464

[Imajie]

Here (http://www.chiefdelphi.com/media/photos/24011) is a picture of our bot.

[379Robocat]

Here is our Robot (http://www.chiefdelphi.com/forums/showthread.php?t=44739&highlight=379+Robot) There was a big discussion about our robot. The picture was stretched that's what people didn't take into consideration. everything is the right size for a robot we've been through 3 comps everything is fine.

[AcesPease]

Here is a picture on CD (http://www.chiefdelphi.com/forums/showthread.php?t=45693&highlight=176) and yes, Snoopy was safety inspected.

This picture shows the ball collection side of our bot (http://www.aceshigh176.com/e107_plugins/coppermine_menu/displayimage.php?album=26&pos=51) This is on our site where there a couple more pictures, but the pictures from Granite State show a taller robot.

[RoboMadi]

hmm.....interesting

Heres team 612 robot (http://www.chantillyrobotics.com/gallery)


There are a lot of good teams, and its pretty hard to pick anyone this soon. I guess i'll be able to post my pick after April 27th.

What do you guys think, does our division has enough potential to make it to the finals or to win the Championship??... :)

Good luck to all the teams, divisions................whoever is associated with FIRST in anyway.! ;)

[Logan Byers]

pictures and detailed information about Rowdy 7 (http://boilerinvasion.org/?page=robot06)

What we've done this year:
Buckeye Regional:
6th seeded alliance with teams 1018 and 141
finished as Regional Finalists

Boilermaker Regional:
7th seeded alliance with teams 1747 and 554
lost in quarterfinals

[aallen88]

Hey fellow Newton teams! Can't wait to see you all in a week!

If you get the chance can you answer the following questions:

1. Team name and number
2. Shooter/Dumper
3. How many balls can you approx. hold?
4. Ramp capabilities?
5. Effective autonomous Mode(s)?
6. Speed/Power/Maneuverability
7. Average scoring?
If shooter:
8. Shooter location
9. Camera/Manual
10. Post a picture of the robot if you can!

11. Are you a ground or human loader?

For example:

1. MORT Team 11
2. Shooter
3. 12 balls
4. Depends on ramp conditions
5. Yes, drives forward and shoots 10 balls in the 3-pt goal effectively
6. Average speed and power but not traction
7. Around 15-20 shots scored. Avg pts per match: 26
8. Top
9. Both
10. Posted below

11. We are a ground loader

Thanks so much teams! Good luck in ATLANTA.

[aallen88]

Here's our robot (http://team11.us/MORT_2005-2006/Regional_SC/index.php?directory=.&currentPic=14)

[Imajie]

1. CyberKnights Team 195
2. Dumper
3. 30+ easily
4. We can climb the ramp relatively easily
5. Yes. a) Drives forward and scores 10 in corner goal.
b) "Dynamic Defense"
6. Good speed and power
7. Depends on if we play more defensively or not. Can score a full load in under 10 sec.

Here is the picture I posted earlier. (http://www.chiefdelphi.com/media/photos/24011)

Can reload from ground or human player.

[379Robocat]

1. The Robocats Team 379
2. Dumper/defensive
3. 20-25
4. Easily
5. Effectively drives to side goal and dumps 10, If need to zoom across floor to block shooter or other dumper we will.
6. 2 spd. trans. w/ pneumatic shifter, custom built. High spd 13.5 ft/sec, Low 4.5 ft/sec. Very powerful, fast and reliable.
7.we are able to score from 40-50 ourselves. (10 auto + winning auto =20, Driving around picking up 20-25 balls usually 2 trips = 40-45, then on ramp for bonus 5 = 45-50. Our average scores usually 30-40.

Our Robot (http://www.chiefdelphi.com/forums/showthread.php?t=44739&highlight=379+Robot) posted from the other page. good Luck everyone can't wait to see everyone down there

[Logan Byers]

1. Westside Boiler Invasion team 461
2. Primarily Shooter, but can Dump
3. can hold 10-11 at one time.
4. Working on wheelie-bars. Needed help w/o wheelie-bars.
5. No...
6. 6-7 ft/sec speed. Crab drive = maneuverable
7. 30-40 points individually
If shooter:
8. high on the robot
9. Working on camera... manual at the moment
10. see my earlier post.

[Bharat Nain]

1. Team name and number: Raider Robotix, Team 25.
2. Shooter/Dumper: Shooter
3. How many balls can you approx. hold? 12
4. Ramp capabilities? Sure.
5. Effective autonomous Mode(s)? Sometimes.
6. Speed/Power/Maneuverability. Yeah, mostly.
7. Average scoring? 40-50 points
If shooter:
8. Shooter location: On the robot
9. Camera/Manual: Both
10. Post a picture of the robot if you can!: http://www.raiderrobotix.org/robots/2006.jpg

[Cyberguy34000]

1. Team name and number: Rocky Mountain Robotics, 662
2. Shooter/Dumper: Dumper
3. How many balls can you approx. hold? 40+
4. Ramp capabilities? Very Effective, (we've parked sideways)
5. Effective autonomous Mode(s) N/A
6. Speed/Power/Maneuverability. Very powerful pusher (we've pushed robots sideways across the field), above average speed, and fairly good manuverability.
7. Average scoring? 20-40 points (Depends on whether we are playing defensive with our pushing power or not.)

10. Post a picture of the robot if you can!:Our Robot (http://www.chiefdelphi.com/media/photos/23165)

If you have any other questions about our bot just e-mail me.

Good luck to all of the teams in Newton!

[VEN]

1. Team name and number ------------- 1281 Mustang Robotics
2. Shooter/Dumper -------------- Can Shoot, can't dump, human loaded
3. How many balls can you approx. hold?------------ 15
4. Ramp capabilities? will get on the ramp everytime..can help others on the ramp, this has been tested
5. Effective autonomous Mode(s)? ---------- i believe as of tonight or tomorrow, 4 auto codes
6. Speed/Power/Maneuverability ----- speed, fast, power, we won the waterloo regional by playing pure defense, lots of pushing power, turns on the spot
7. Average scoring? depends, we normaly played defense but i think we can score minimum 12 points
If shooter:
8. Shooter location ---------- inside the robot well protected
9. Camera/Manual ----------------- both...one button push and the camera finds the target and adjusts the whole robot to shooting position (kind of like auto mode)
10. Post a picture of the robot if you can!

GOOD LUCK ALL AND SEE YOU SOON..I only have about 20 teams to do research on :D

[JoeXIII'007]

1. Team name and number
2. Shooter/Dumper
3. How many balls can you approx. hold?
4. Ramp capabilities?
5. Effective autonomous Mode(s)?
6. Speed/Power/Maneuverability
7. Average scoring?
If shooter:
8. Shooter location
9. Camera/Manual
10. Post a picture of the robot if you can!

1. Flyers; 66
2. Shooter hi and lo for both goals
3. Ehhh... 10-15
4. Yup
5. Yup, fixed it at WMR
6. Mediocre/Very/turns sort of rough (Can push robots around really nice)
7. At LEAST 30 pts a round, we will do more at nats ;)
8. Variable
9. Camera && Manual
10. goto http://www.team66.com got photo album at the top menu, and look at the robot pics section. They're at the bottom.

[dan 322]

First off, thanks for all the compliments to our bot this year on the forum, thats great.

1. Team name and number - 322
2. Shooter/Dumper - Dumper
3. How many balls can you approx. hold? - 50+
4. Ramp capabilities? 100% with ease
5. Effective autonomous Mode(s)? Dump 10 everytime from any three starting spots, If a shooter needs spot one or two, we have delay that let's the shooter move to go shoot, then we dump. We scored 10 pts in Auto all matchs last regional. Also shooter blocking modes
6. Speed/Power/Maneuverability - Most say it's the fastest and most mobile bot this year. 4 motor, 4 wheel drive allowed us to push bots around and dead bots onto the ramp
7. Average scoring? 10 pts. always in auto, 30+ dumping and 5 pts. for ramp
8. Shooter location - nota
9. Camera/Manual - nota
10. Post a picture of the robot if you can! - see www.fireteam.org

Other notables - #1 seed at Western Regional, 2006 Motorola Quality award, two weeks later 2006 GM industrial design winners.

-basically un-tippable
-spare part for every robot detail
-lowest center of gravity I've seen yet
-8 different auto modes, including defensive ones

Hopefully this helps, email with further questions.....thanks.

[AcesPease]

1. Team name and number: Aces High 176
2. Shooter/Dumper: Both
3. How many balls can you approx. hold? 20
4. Ramp capabilities? Yes
5. Effective autonomous Mode(s)? Yes, all 10 in corner + a 3 pt program and others
6. Speed/Power/Maneuverability: good (very experienced driver)
7. Average scoring? 30
If shooter:
8. Shooter location: High with turret and tilt
9. Camera/Manual: both
10. Post a picture of the robot if you can! Here is Pokerface without bumpers, from the shooter side (http://www.aceshigh176.com/e107_plugins/coppermine_menu/displayimage.php?album=26&pos=10)
11. Reload Method: extra wide floor loading. Can HP load if needed.

[rees2001]

If you get the chance can you answer the following questions:

1. Team name and number
2. Shooter/Dumper
3. How many balls can you approx. hold?
4. Ramp capabilities?
5. Effective autonomous Mode(s)?
6. Speed/Power/Maneuverability
7. Average scoring?
If shooter:
8. Shooter location
9. Camera/Manual
10. Post a picture of the robot if you can!



Do you think we could add a re-load part
11. Re-load Floor/HP/none?

might be helpful. If everyone just edits their posts it would save some length of this thread.

[aallen88]

Do you think we could add a re-load part
11. Re-load Floor/HP/none?

might be helpful. If everyone just edits their posts it would save some length of this thread.


After I posted I thought of that question, but then just decided that you can pretty much figure that out from the picture of the team's robot, but if anyone would like to go back and add that...I won't argue!!!

[379Robocat]

Do you think we could add a re-load part

Just in case anyone wants to know, Team 379 loads from the floor. We prefer to load from the floor but if there is a chance that there aren't any balls on the floor then we human load. We don't like to human load but like I said there were some matches where we had all the balls in our hopper and none on the floor so we had to human load. If anyone has any questions about our robot or our team you are all welcome to PM me or e-mail me at: PJRoman2004@aol.com

[Ken Streeter]

We're glad to provide answers to the scouting questions from MORT Team 11, but you may prefer to simply watch Team 1519's robot, "Sergeant York" in action: http://www.mechanicalmayhem.org/video/FRC-1519-Promo-Video-2006.mov

---
1. Mechanical Mayhem, Team 1519
2. Shooter
3. Hopper and belt train hold up to 20 balls
4. Ramp defender
5. Autonomous Mode -- watch the video... :)
6. Speed/Power/Maneuverability -- view the video to see us push...
7. Average scoring: In GSR elimination rounds, 7 balls in autonomous; rest of match varies depending upon how much defense we played

If shooter:
8. Shooter is at top of robot
9. Camera-controlled, with manual override available if needed
10. Videos at http://www.mechanicalmayhem.org/teamvideos.asp

11. Ground loader

[aviv]

1. HaMosad #1657
2. Shooter
3. 17 balls
4. yes
5. many modes
6. good
7. 24+- during auto, during match varies
8. top
9. both
10. http://www.chiefdelphi.com/media/photos/24436
11. ground

record 16 wins 0 loses 0 ties

[Cyberguy34000]

Wow, 1519, I like how you let the videos speak for themselves, I love the stratigy that you guys use. Awesome! Look foward to seeing you in competition!

[nuggetsyl]

omg some of our team just got together and tried to pick 24 teams for picking. As of right now we have 26 teams but it took weeks of scouting and hours today of debating to get to our current list. Picking in Newton is not as easy as people think.

Shaun

[Starke]

here is a cool picture of 340


http://images.snapfish.com/346896%3A%3C9%7Ffp339%3Enu%3D3275%3E%3A9%3B%3E776% 3EWSNRCG%3D32336734%3B%3B8%3B3nu0mrj

[George A.]

omg some of our team just got together and tried to pick 24 teams for picking. As of right now we have 26 teams but it took weeks of scouting and hours today of debating to get to our current list. Picking in Newton is not as easy as people think.

Shaun


so who's on the list? haha, I'm just kidding wouldn't want you to give away all your secrets...see you guys in 5 days.

[Starke]

i wish everyone good luck and i hope that the newton division ends up being the champs! :yikes:

[Cyberguy34000]

I'm compiling a photo-pack of all the robots in our division, and I'll post it here when I'm done, but right now I REALLY need some help. Please AIM, E-Mail, or PM me if you are able to help. Thanks!

[Bharat Nain]

I'm compiling a photo-pack of all the robots in our division, and I'll post it here when I'm done, but right now I REALLY need some help. Please AIM of PM me if you are able to help. Thanks!

IM EvlTekno on AIM and talk to our head scout Neil. He can give you pictures of robots that were at regionals team 25 went to.

[Cyberguy34000]

Well... I've been over all of the team tags on Chief Delphi, all of the listed websites on USFIRST, and I've gotten a lot of scouting data and pictures, but alas, there are still quite a few teams left. I currently have photos for all of the other teams, but I'm missing the ones below. They would probibly be grouped with their regional photos. If you could find a picture of a team or two I'd really appreciate it. After I've gotten most/all of the teams robots I'll post a photo-pack here for everyone to use. Thanks for your help guys!

Missing Photos on:
168 - Florida
184 - Detroit
236 - New England
304 - Philidelphia
406 - Detroit, Great Lakes
440 - Detroit
492 - Pacific NW
714 - New Jersey
753 - Pacific NW, Sacramento
803 - Palmetto
816 - Philidelphia
900 - Silicon Valley
928 - NASA
1033 - NASA
1102 - Palmetto, Peachtree
1188 - Detroit, Great Lakes
1261 - Peachtree
1272 - Boilermaker, West Michigan
1306 - Wisconsin
1379 - Peachtree
1425 - Pacific NW, Las Vegas
1563 - New Jersey
1601 - Long Island
1617 - New Jersey
1646 - Boilermaker, Buckeye
1685 - Boston
1718 - Great Lakes, West Michigan
1810 - Midwest Regional
1846 - Toronto, Waterloo
1918 - West Michigan

[nuggetsyl]

Well... I've been over all of the team tags on Chief Delphi, all of the listed websites on USFIRST, and I've gotten a lot of scouting data and pictures, but alas, there are still quite a few teams left. I currently have photos for all of the other teams, but I'm missing the ones below. They would probibly be grouped with their regional photos. If you could find a picture of a team or two I'd really appreciate it. After I've gotten most/all of the teams robots I'll post a photo-pack here for everyone to use. Thanks for your help guys!

Missing Photos on:
168 - Florida
184 - Detroit
236 - New England
304 - Philidelphia
406 - Detroit, Great Lakes
440 - Detroit
492 - Pacific NW
714 - New Jersey
753 - Pacific NW, Sacramento
803 - Palmetto
816 - Philidelphia
900 - Silicon Valley
928 - NASA
1033 - NASA
1102 - Palmetto, Peachtree
1188 - Detroit, Great Lakes
1261 - Peachtree
1272 - Boilermaker, West Michigan
1306 - Wisconsin
1379 - Peachtree
1425 - Pacific NW, Las Vegas
1563 - New Jersey
1601 - Long Island
1617 - New Jersey
1646 - Boilermaker, Buckeye
1685 - Boston
1718 - Great Lakes, West Michigan
1810 - Midwest Regional
1846 - Toronto, Waterloo
1918 - West Michigan
Our head scout Neil can get you the ones from NJ and Vegas his aim is EvlTekno
what will give you teams

1617 - New Jersey
1563 - New Jersey
1425 - Pacific NW, Las Vegas
714 - New Jersey

Shaun

[Lil' Lavery]

1033:
http://www.invisiblerobot.com/robotics/robot_d38e/index/p3035247.html
928:
http://www.invisiblerobot.com/robotics/robot_d38e/index/p3035452.html
http://www.invisiblerobot.com/robotics/robot_d38e/index/p3035454.html
1379:
http://www.invisiblerobot.com/robotics/robot_d40e/index/p3176437.html
http://www.invisiblerobot.com/robotics/robot_d40e/index/p3176492.html
http://www.invisiblerobot.com/robotics/robot_d40e/index/p3176494.html
http://www.invisiblerobot.com/robotics/robot_d40e/index/p3176495.html
1102:
http://www.invisiblerobot.com/robotics/robot_d40h/index/p1180641.html (their mascot at least :rolleyes: )
http://www.invisiblerobot.com/robotics/robot_d40h/index/p1180759.html

[nuggetsyl]

1033:
http://www.invisiblerobot.com/robotics/robot_d38e/index/p3035247.html
928:
http://www.invisiblerobot.com/robotics/robot_d38e/index/p3035452.html
http://www.invisiblerobot.com/robotics/robot_d38e/index/p3035454.html
1379:
http://www.invisiblerobot.com/robotics/robot_d40e/index/p3176437.html
http://www.invisiblerobot.com/robotics/robot_d40e/index/p3176492.html
http://www.invisiblerobot.com/robotics/robot_d40e/index/p3176494.html
http://www.invisiblerobot.com/robotics/robot_d40e/index/p3176495.html
1102:
http://www.invisiblerobot.com/robotics/robot_d40h/index/p1180641.html (their mascot at least :rolleyes: )
http://www.invisiblerobot.com/robotics/robot_d40h/index/p1180759.html
nice 26 togo

shaun

[Logan Byers]

some insight on team 1646 (since they're part of Purdue FIRST programs)
Their Robot (http://boilerinvasion.org/PHOTOS/OpenHouse06/large/IMG_9969OpenHouse.JPG)
Problem is finding an updated picture. They have made many changes to their robot over the two regionals. They have modified their ball-pickup and added a shooting mechanism, which in all honesty, still needs some work.
On the other hand, they do have a great, reliable, and durable drive train. They are a decent defensive threat, and with some more work, they could become a reliable offensive component of an alliance.

[Cyberguy34000]

Thanks for your help everyone!

Updated List.

168 - Florida
184 - Detroit
236 - New England
304 - Philidelphia
406 - Detroit, Great Lakes
440 - Detroit
492 - Pacific NW
714 - New Jersey
753 - Pacific NW, Sacramento
803 - Palmetto
816 - Philidelphia
900 - Silicon Valley
1188 - Detroit, Great Lakes
1272 - Boilermaker, West Michigan
1306 - Wisconsin
1425 - Pacific NW, Las Vegas
1563 - New Jersey
1601 - Long Island
1617 - New Jersey
1685 - Boston
1718 - Great Lakes, West Michigan
1810 - Midwest Regional
1846 - Toronto, Waterloo
1918 - West Michigan

[Sean.Conway]

1. Team name and number: Team 987
2. Shooter/Dumper: Shooter
3. How many balls can you approx. 15
4. Ramp capabilities? Very Easy for us to go up the ramp, and assist others
5. Effective autonomous Mode(s)? Very effective
6. Speed/Power/Maneuverability: Fast and strong for the most part,
7. Average scoring? 40-50, jsut our team alone
If shooter:
8. Shooter location: Top Back, so we can never be blocked
9. Camera/Manual Very Very effective camera, and a good manual operator 2!,
10. Post a picture of the robot if you can!www.team987.com then click on the gallery, you can see us. IF that doesnt help I can send you a picture :D. ty

[GaryVoshol]

http://www.zeltech.org/oaktowncrewz/acrobatfiles/detroit-pictures.pdf

If you go all the way down to pages 9 and 10, you'll see some shots of our robot. For some reason, we've got far more shots of people on our website.

[Nawaid Ladak]

To get my teams pic up on CD Media, i just got the archived matches from the regionals, copied the frame with the robot in it, edited it, and posted it. it would be a good idea for you to look on 108's webcast archive site, or any other site and do as i did, it should work

thanks for the effort.

[My Name is Q]

Team 85 BOB's robot:

Events:
2006 MI - West Michigan Regional
2006 IN - Boilermaker Regional
2006 CMP - The Championship Event
Awards Won:
2006 MI Woodie Flowers Regional Award
2006 MI Regional Finalist
2006 MI J&J Sportsmanship
2006 IN Regional Champion
2006 IN Judge's Award Day 2

1. Team Name: 85 B.O.B.
2. Shooter
3. Maximum Ball Capacity: 20
4. Ramp capability: Gets on ramp every time, can help others
5. Autonomous Modes: Multiple modes, all modes make 8-10 balls in upper goal.
6. Speed/Power/Maneuverability: 6 CIM 6 wheel drive drivetrain, 10 fps, very maneuverable
7. Average scoring: 8-10 balls in auto = 8*3=24 points 10*3=30 points
I have video to support my autonomous claims.
We very rarely lose autonomous mode.
After autonomous, we score an average of 20 points.
This places our individual scoring at 44-50 points. Also note that I am excluding the 10 point bonus for winning auto.
8. Shooter Location: Top of robot (balls exit over 5 foot)
9.Camera: Camera and manual

10. http://www.chiefdelphi.com/media/img/f1b/f1b8ac1fc174a52a1bdbe4db81dbadfa_l.jpg

11. Ground or Human Load: Both, prefer human

I also have a video for our robot,
Team 85 music video (http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-8048728519137587166)

[Janet Schoettle]

At Team 85, we're packing our bags and excited to be going to Atlanta! Looking forward to seeing all of you there! Let's make it a great tournament.

[dan 322]

At Team 85, we're packing our bags and excited to be going to Atlanta! Looking forward to seeing all of you there! Let's make it a great tournament.

Team BOB kicked some butt at Western, your bot is awesome this year.

[Jaysun42]

Could someone please post robot pictures for Teams:

49
168
184
244
304
340
406
440
476
442
514
573
753
816
1006
1272
1306
1402
1601
1685
1718
1816
1918

[Starke]

Could someone please post robot pictures for Teams:
340


i did here (http://www.chiefdelphi.com/forums/showpost.php?p=492315&postcount=49)

i also included some other ones below. see you at the championship and good luck!

http://team340.com/images/zoom/ZGRJQJ/viewsize/100_4206.jpg
http://team340.com/images/zoom/ZGRJQJ/viewsize/100_4382.jpg
http://www.chiefdelphi.com/media/img/ebf/ebfa15eb0c1d2c32a0f00388661e9f21_m.jpg

[Cyberguy34000]

While not yet complete, I think a photo-pack is in order just to give you guys an idea of how close things are to completion. I've got a zip file ready to go... But I'm having trouble with the file-server, it's a little over 12 megabytes, does anyone know of a file-server I could use? Thanks ppl!

As a temporary solution I can e-mail the pack to people requesting it. Just pop off an email to cyberguy34000@gmail.com and I'll try to get back to you within a day or so.

I've poured over many websites and such looking for the remaining photos, and alas, I still can't find them. What I'm looking for now are pictures taken at any of the regionals below, so links to photo-batches, or uploading the ones you took while at that regional would be a huge help.

I'm aiming to finish this by tomarow morning. Thanks for all your help people!




Still missing:
168 - Florida
184 - Detroit
236 - New England
304 - Philidelphia
406 - Detroit, Great Lakes
440 - Detroit
492 - Pacific NW
753 - Pacific NW, Sacramento
803 - Palmetto
816 - Philidelphia
900 - Palmetto - (Corrected)
1272 - Boilermaker, West Michigan
1306 - Wisconsin
1601 - Long Island
1685 - Boston
1718 - Great Lakes, West Michigan
1810 - Midwest Regional
1846 - Toronto, Waterloo
1918 - West Michigan

[Bongle]

1281 hopped on 1305's bus about an hour ago. ETA: 21 hours from now.

I sure am glad I'm taking a jet on thursday morning.

[Vince lau]

1281 hopped on 1305's bus about an hour ago. ETA: 21 hours from now.

I sure am glad I'm taking a jet on thursday morning.


good luck to 1281 and the rest of the teams going to Atlanta, I wish I could go but I'm heading to Japan on Friday... Next year for sure.

[Nuttyman54]

Still missing:
168 - Florida
184 - Detroit
236 - New England
304 - Philidelphia
406 - Detroit, Great Lakes
440 - Detroit
492 - Pacific NW
753 - Pacific NW, Sacramento
803 - Palmetto
816 - Philidelphia
900 - Silicon Valley
1272 - Boilermaker, West Michigan
1306 - Wisconsin
1601 - Long Island
1685 - Boston
1718 - Great Lakes, West Michigan
1810 - Midwest Regional
1846 - Toronto, Waterloo
1918 - West Michigan

I'm not in Newton, but I can tell you that Team 900 was not at Sillicon Valley. According to the FIRST site, they were at Palmetto.

[Cyberguy34000]

The Photo-Pack IS UP! You can get it here. (http://cyberguy34000.googlepages.com/home)

Thanks for all of your help guys! And special thanks to RoboRaiderTeam75 for his idea and help in getting the videos.

Good luck everyone!

[Cyberguy34000]

Well, almost there!

Missing:
184 - Detroit
236 - New England
304 - Philadelphia
406 - Detroit, Great Lakes
440 - Detroit
816 - Philadelphia
1306 - Wisconsin
1601 - Long Island
1718 - Great Lakes, West Michigan
1846 - Toronto, Waterloo
1918 - West Michigan

[Bongle]

Here's a substantially improved picture of 1281. We've changed the net and shooter wheels, and have added bumpers.

[AcesPease]

The Photo-Pack IS UP! You can get it here. (http://cyberguy34000.googlepages.com/home)

Thanks for all of your help guys! And special thanks to RoboRaiderTeam75 for his idea and help in getting the videos.

Good luck everyone!

Very nice work. Packing for Atlanta now. See everyone there.

[Alex Cormier]

I can't wait!

[aallen88]

ISAAC...NEWTON.

TOMORROW. This is insane. Can't wait to see you guys in Atl!!

[Tim Delles]

Newton Divisional Elimination Round
1 – 176, 111, 122
2 – 987, 1503, 1718
3 – 25, 968, 195
4 – 254, 71, 753
5 – 229, 11, 85
6 – 66, 93, 868
7 –133, 322, 397
8 – 1519, 40, 1646

[Tim Delles]

So here are my picks. Lets see how close it comes out.

Quaterfinals
1 def. 8
2 def. 7
3 def. 6
4 def. 5

Semi-finals
4 def. 1
3 def. 2

Finals
3 def. 4

Winners of Newton – 25, 968, 195

[Alex Cormier]

Newton Divisional Elimination Round
1 – 176, 111, 122
2 – 987, 1503, 1718
3 – 25, 968, 195
4 – 254, 71, 753
5 – 229, 11, 85
6 – 66, 93, 868
7 –133, 322, 397
8 – 1519, 40, 1646


1v8, 8 wins.
2v7, 2 wins.
3v6, 3 wins.
4v5, 5 wins.


8v2, 2 wins.
3v5, 3 wins.

2v3, 2 wins.

Time to go watch i'll be back later!

[CatchRothy22]

4v5, 5 wins.

:)

Gotta watch the webcast from home. eep.

[Lil' Lavery]

Newton Divisional Elimination Round
1 – 176, 111, 122
2 – 987, 1503, 1718
3 – 25, 968, 195
4 – 254, 71, 753
5 – 229, 11, 85
6 – 66, 93, 868
7 –133, 322, 397
8 – 1519, 40, 1646
In this division, any of the top 5 seeds are incredibly powerful, and have a very real shot at winning.

QF:
1 def 8
2 def 7
3 def 6 (UPSET ALERT , 6 *might* just be able to win this, but I think 3 will pull it out in the end)
4 def 5

SF:
4 def 1
3 def 2

Finals:
3 def 4

[Rick TYler]

SF:
4 def 1
3 def 2

Finals:
3 def 2

You might want to carefully re-read your predictions... :]

[Tim Delles]

In this division, any of the top 5 seeds are incredibly powerful, and have a very real shot at winning.

QF:
1 def 8
2 def 7
3 def 6 (UPSET ALERT , 6 *might* just be able to win this, but I think 3 will pull it out in the end)
4 def 5

SF:
4 def 1
3 def 2

Finals:
3 def 2

You keep taking my picks. :D

[CatchRothy22]

Are these real or a prediction?

[SURVIVORfan44]

I've been watching Archimedes all day, but I'll definitely be watching Newton. I know now, the winner will probably come from Newton. Those alliances are going to put on a good show. I can't wait to see it.

[Tim Delles]

Are these real or a prediction?

predictions.

Its way to early for anything to have happened yet. Eliminations start at 1pm EST

[SteveO]

I'm not even gonna try. I have seen some crazy stuff watching most of the elimination matches. I was suprised there was only 1 undefeated team, but I probably shouldn't have been. Any of these alliances could put up a fight against any other one.

[Lil' Lavery]

You keep taking my picks. :D
What can I say, great minds think alike.
Unfortunately, so do idiots...

:p

[SteveO]

Is Newton the only field not working on quarterfinals yet?

Edit: Yeah I guess they were a little late starting.

[Tim Delles]

wow what an amazing match (QF 2.2)

Great job by both teams.

[Lil' Lavery]

115-108, I beleive it's the first double 3-digit score! Amazin win for 25, 968, and 195!

[YonZ]

115-108, I beleive it's the first double 3-digit score! Amazin win for 25, 968, and 195!

at this point im only watching newton, easily the most intense
raider, cheesypoofs, wildstang, aces, beast, cyberknights-- intense!

and with in SF 1-3 79-46
it looks like ACES HIGH's alliance is headed towards the finals

[Rick TYler]

at this point im only watching newton, easily the most intense
raider, cheesypoofs, wildstang, aces, beast, cyberknights-- intense!

Me too. I can hardly breathe. Can't believe the Poofs tipped. Wow.

[Lil' Lavery]

With the poofs tipping, it looks like we won't see poofs v. rawc in the finals :(
hope that 1503 and 1114 meet on Einstein then?

[YonZ]

raider is playing some nice D
<edit and O>

25 is spectacular!
beautiful plays in both the second and third semi matches (esp in S2 where they broke free and won the game in the last 10secs)
97-76!!!! BLUE
25 moves on!!!

[Rick TYler]

And now 968 tipped -- the twins are tipcursed in the semis. GREAT ROBOT WARS!! Is Einstein going to be an anticlimax after the titanic struggles in Newton?

[yfactor]

I CANT WAIT UNTIL THIS TIMEOUT IS OVER. I WANNA SEE THE MATCH.
HOPEFULLY ALLIANCE 3 DOESNT HAVE ANY SERIOUS PROBLEMS.

[Richard Wallace]

Good shootin' on Newton!

[Tim Delles]

WOW Corey (and the rest of 25's Drive team). Amazing job once they got free from Wildstang and Aces High.

Talk about a match changer.

[YonZ]

ohmygod
im shaking
that was one of the best matches ive ever seen
25 turned the tables like noothing else in that last play
getting past two bots
ohmygod

amazing

88-73
25-176 (teams that is)

[sw293]

Did 25 not get picked first? Or did they get picked first and then decline?

[Tim Delles]

DID YOU GUYS SEE THAT!!! 195 feed 968!!!!! I was waiting for that to happen.

[Rick TYler]

DID YOU GUYS SEE THAT!!! 195 feed 968!!!!! I was waiting for that to happen.

My son just said, "That's the kind of thing that you talk about in strategy sessions then say, 'nah, that would never really work.'" Un-be-freaking-lievable.

[Lil' Lavery]

DID YOU GUYS SEE THAT!!! 195 feed 968!!!!! I was waiting for that to happen.

That #3 alliance is playing this game better than any alliance I have seen, period. They are feeding eachother, playing outstanding defense, stunning offense, and are getting ramp points.

Gongratultions to the new Newton champs, 25, 968, and 195

[Richard Wallace]

So what's going on on the other fields?

[Tim Delles]

Congrats to our Newton Champions 25, 968, and 195

[Rick TYler]

So what's going on on the other fields?

I don't understand your question? I think I would explode if they were all this good.

[Richard Wallace]

I don't understand your question? I think I would explode if they were all this good.Agreed. I watch some of the others for a while earlier, then switched to Newton because it was the most exciting.

So now I don't know which teams advanced from Archimedes, Curie, and Galileo.

/edit: should have just looked here (http://www.chiefdelphi.com/forums/showthread.php?p=494671#post494671) /edit

[Lil' Lavery]

Did 25 not get picked first? Or did they get picked first and then decline?
They got picked first and declined. 176 then picked 254, who also declined. 111 was their third pick, who accepted (obv). Ironically, 176 beat 254 in the semi-finals.

[Alex Cormier]

I've been watching Archimedes all day, but I'll definitely be watching Newton. I know now, the winner will probably come from Newton. Those alliances are going to put on a good show. I can't wait to see it.
hahaha, thats funny. Arch did good and surprised me about it.

[Bill Gold]

4v5, 5 wins.
Sorry to disappoint you. Chris' strategy of getting 229 stuck on/inside 254 worked pretty much perfectly, but wasn't quite enough to pull out the victory. :p

Big Grats to Travis, Kirk, and 968 for their performance. It was a great feeling helping out any way we could and rooting you guys on.

[Snappel328]

Congrats Newton Division. We almost beat out Archimedes for the win, but sadly we didn't. Maybe next year we can pull out a victory. Congrats to team 111 for winning the Chairman's Award as well.

On a lighter note, I know my team's happy that in our Rookie Year we built the sexiest robot in the world and got the Imagery Award at Nationals :D

[dan 322]

got the Imagery Award at Nationals :D

That was great, good job guys.

[natis]

My son just said, "That's the kind of thing that you talk about in strategy sessions then say, 'nah, that would never really work.'" Un-be-freaking-lievable.

Well it actually happened before 987 did it at phoenix,it was pretty cool Then we tried at Vegas with 25 but we never got the chance, Im glad 25 could use that move at nationals.
I really wanted to see them win!!

[Corey Balint]

I must say, 987's alliance should've been on Einstein as well. The perfect set of matches from this year has to be the Semis with the 2 vs 3 seed. Perfection.

[Sean.Conway]

I must say, 987's alliance should've been on Einstein as well. The perfect set of matches from this year has to be the Semis with the 2 vs 3 seed. Perfection.

Thankyou! All 3 of our matches were extremly close, but your team deserved to be there! (im just glad you beat the first alliance!) Your matches on Einstein were close 2! Good job guys!

[AcesPease]

Newton was a very tough decision and everyone was hoping that the "power alliances" would get together, however 111 knew that no one would accept 176's invitation to join, since they were carried. So 176 went to wildstang, and picked cheesys and 25, obviously they declined...

A few points:
1) We made finals in every event this year including an upset win over 296's alliance at BAE.

2) Wildstang's robot and team are super (clearly a power in the Newton Division).

3) 122 played some amazing defense for us, better than some of the other third picks (not 195 of course :) ).

4) I think that superior driving and qualification round planning (yes we planned each qualification round as though it were an elimination round) are what carried our wonderful but less than perfect robot to a well deserved 1st seed on Newton.

5) 968 sure played like a power house in the elims.

Congratulations to Teams 25, 968, 195 on the win.

[BobC]

Did 25 not get picked first? Or did they get picked first and then decline?
25 declined

[Morgan Gillespie]

Some people think 987, 25, and all the other teams that 176 was partnered with, carried them.




[edited due to info error]

[xmfan]

Some people think 987 for being on their alliance 2x, and all the other teams that 176 was partnered with, carried 176.

That's interesting a team that makes the finals at two regionals and wins one of them. Was undefeated all weekend, then gets to the finals of a "regional" at the Championship gets carried I can't believe it :confused: :confused:

[Wayne C.]

I knew that team 25 would win newton. I think that if they had another Power team with them, the whole event would of been theres. 968 did a good job(cheesys sister team) and they had great team work. Good Job guys! and everyone!

One thing we learned over the years is that there is no such thing as a sure thing.

We AGONIZED over who we wanted to pair with for the elims. Aces High one time picked us in the past and it was hard to turn them down, but our rationale was that they kept getting tipped over and we didnt want that.

As a team we were leaning towards both Wild Stang and High Rollers. We know the Rollers as our friends and alliance partners from LV and we knew they would get the job done. They also had the pushing power we wanted. But we also knew Stang from the 2003 season and lots of friendly interraction since then. Their dart in and shoot play also had great appeal. Both (actually a number of) teams had great robots that easily could have been a great partner.

Imagine the dilemma of having to face 11 on Sat morning undefeated at the time. If we won they fell back into the mix. If they won and we dropped out of the top few spots and possibly couldn't pick them as partner. We talked about this Friday and both teams agreed that GP warranted we both do our best and play it as it fell.
As it turned out they won (our first loss ever) and the result lowered our rank to where we were succeeded by Aces High, setting up this whole situation.
My compliments to Aces High for playing the game like a pro. I'm not sorry about the outcome of the division but they sure made the game a greater challenge for us.
Overall Newton was the toughest group of robots we played all year. How about a Newton Reunion on November 4 at our place for Brunswick Eruption 5?

It was a great division and great FIRST year.

WC :cool:

[nparikh]

I like that idea of a Newton Reunion (even though I may be biased..just a tad bit). But I agree, Newton had the most challenging set of robots we've ever faced off with..and I don't think anyone would disagree that the teams were most definately some of the best in the country.

[dan 322]

I like that idea of a Newton Reunion (even though I may be biased..just a tad bit). But I agree, Newton had the most challenging set of robots we've ever faced off with..and I don't think anyone would disagree that the teams were most definately some of the best in the country.

TUFF, TUFF and TUFF.....that's my thoughts on NEWTON. Every match had great robots in it. We loved being their, just to watch them all.

Does anyone have final scoring stat's for bots on NEWTON. I know some teams keep some amazing stats and would love to see the final statistics.

[George A.]

Imagine the dilemma of having to face 11 on Sat morning undefeated at the time. If we won they fell back into the mix. If they won and we dropped out of the top few spots and possibly couldn't pick them as partner. We talked about this Friday and both teams agreed that GP warranted we both do our best and play it as it fell.
As it turned out they won (our first loss ever) and the result lowered our rank to where we were succeeded by Aces High, setting up this whole situation.
My compliments to Aces High for playing the game like a pro. I'm not sorry about the outcome of the division but they sure made the game a greater challenge for us.
Overall Newton was the toughest group of robots we played all year. How about a Newton Reunion on November 4 at our place for Brunswick Eruption 5?

It was a great division and great FIRST year.

WC :cool:


You played both 111 and 11 Saturday morning. At the end of Friday 25 and 11 were both undefeated and Paul Kloberg (Senior Mentor for NJ agonized at two NJ teams playing each other) I'm sure it was just a typo, and I wanted to clarify.

In any event, congrats to 25, 2 regional wins, a regional chairmans, divisional winners, and World Finalists...all In all a truly successful year.

[Cory]

TUFF, TUFF and TUFF.....that's my thoughts on NEWTON. Every match had great robots in it. We loved being their, just to watch them all.

Does anyone have final scoring stat's for bots on NEWTON. I know some teams keep some amazing stats and would love to see the final statistics.

we have scoring stats on all the robots in Newton. I'll see if I can get ahold of them.

One problem is that the high scorers scored so much, I'm not sure that the numbers have the proper number of balls counted. I know our scouts saw us score fewer balls than we later saw on video, when we had a 128 point match with 987 on Friday afternoon.

[George A.]

we have scoring stats on all the robots in Newton. I'll see if I can get ahold of them.

One problem is that the high scorers scored so much, I'm not sure that the numbers have the proper number of balls counted. I know our scouts saw us score fewer balls than we later saw on video, when we had a 128 point match with 987 on Friday afternoon.


I noticed that too...several matches i blatently saw 9 balls go through the center goal and down the chute, and the RTS said that they scored 27 points (9x3=27) but then the human counters would say that only 7 or 8 went through...what happened to the mysterious phantom ball?

[Nawaid Ladak]

I was watching on NASA TV, but who did 176 pick the first two times and the team said no, i saw the allince parings on www.soap.circuitrunners.com and it said something about third time is a charm....what was that all about

[Corey Balint]

I was watching on NASA TV, but who did 176 pick the first two times and the team said no, i saw the allince parings on www.soap.circuitrunners.com and it said something about third time is a charm....what was that all about
176 first picked us, 25, and we declined. Then picked 254, and they declined.
They did this to break up any super-alliances. The reason they did so(well from my understanding) was because they knew that many teams would not want to accept their offer, because many teams did not consider them one of the better bots.

[Cory]

I noticed that too...several matches i blatently saw 9 balls go through the center goal and down the chute, and the RTS said that they scored 27 points (9x3=27) but then the human counters would say that only 7 or 8 went through...what happened to the mysterious phantom ball?

I didn't mean to imply that FIRST got their numbers wrong. What I meant was that our scouts who recorded how many balls each team scored probably weren't able to keep up with some of the faster scoring teams, and as a result, they probably got shortchanged.

[Daniel Brim]

That was awesome competition. Even the qualifying matches were hard faught (101-92 anyone?). Thanks to 987 and 11 for being awesome in autonomous mode in various matches. We had some "luck of the draw" problems in the first few matches of elims, but that's the way it goes in a division that is as packed as Newton was.

[Craig Roys]

I must say, 987's alliance should've been on Einstein as well. The perfect set of matches from this year has to be the Semis with the 2 vs 3 seed. Perfection.

Thank you, and thanks to 987 for picking us. We finally got to play the defensive game we built our robot for. Being with the #2 seed on Newton as a rookie team was just phenomenal - what a way to finish our season! Thanks 25 for a great fight - we had fun trying to stop you. We drained our battery to almost nothing defending you in the first match. Good work getting away from us in the corner in match 2 at the end - if we could have held for 5 more seconds ... who knows? You guys deserved the win - you had an awesome alliance, congratulations.

[Sean.Conway]

Thank you, and thanks to 987 for picking us. We finally got to play the defensive game we built our robot for. Being with the #2 seed on Newton as a rookie team was just phenomenal - what a way to finish our season! Thanks 25 for a great fight - we had fun trying to stop you. We drained our battery to almost nothing defending you in the first match. Good work getting away from us in the corner in match 2 at the end - if we could have held for 5 more seconds ... who knows? You guys deserved the win - you had an awesome alliance, congratulations.

I said thankyou to you guys on another post and you deserve it again!, we usually dont swing that way when it comes to picking, but you impressed our scouts with excellent defense, and you proved it for real when it depended the most, excellently played! Also a thankyou to 1503 for an awesome autonomous and teamwork!

[peaseonearth]

176 first picked us, 25, and we declined. Then picked 254, and they declined.
They did this to break up any super-alliances. The reason they did so(well from my understanding) was because they knew that many teams would not want to accept their offer, because many teams did not consider them one of the better bots.

I have to agree. Being up there for alliance picking I sure didn't feel like one of the better bots. In fact our own scouting had us as 12th over all. I robot had some disadvantages that became very apparent in the final match's. Aces High would be interested in a Newton Reunion. We are hoping to finally get our camera working and fix the other bugs for the off season events.

Great job by team 25, 195 and 968 on Einstein!!

[dan 322]

what 176 did to break up the power alliances was smart, but wasn't very graciously professional.

Boy, I'm confused here. I would think that team 176 earning first place (no matter how) entitled them to ask any team they thought was best to win with, how would that be "not very graciously professional". I think teams that denie after being picked would fall into the "un-gracious" category myself. Honestly they should remove that rule in my opinion just to avoid it. This isn't "let's get all the favorite teams together and win", it's called FIRST robotics guys :(

It was great playing with all the awesome bots this year in Newton, congrats to all. :)

[Cory]

Boy, I'm confused here. I would think that team 176 earning first place (no matter how) entitled them to ask any team they thought was best to win with, how would that be "not very graciously professional". I think teams that denie after being picked would fall into the "un-gracious" category myself. Honestly they should remove that rule in my opinion just to avoid it. This isn't "let's get all the favorite teams together and win", it's called FIRST robotics guys :(

It was great playing with all the awesome bots this year in Newton, congrats to all. :)

For starters, I don't think what they did was ungracious, or unprofessional, but it was pretty obvious that they were trying to keep the top 4 from allying with each other. I know we told them we'd like to pick our own alliance, before the choosing started, and I'm pretty sure other teams did as well. It was a very smart move on their part, to weaken the entire division while still being able to take the team they wanted #1 all along, and I'm sure many of us would have done it had we been in 176's position.

[379Robocat]

I was very surprised that not too many defensive powerhouses/low corner scorers were selected for alliance pairings. Does anyone think that this may have changed the outcome of the matches? or does everyone think that the alliances were good the way they were picked? I just want to see what everyone thought about the way the final alliances ended up.

[Paul Copioli]

I'm with Cory on this one. If you are the number 1 seed, you have the right to pick anyone you want. If you want to break up potential power alliances by asking for certain teams, you have that right. It is the smart thing to do.

However, if you are in the top 8, you have also earned the right to pick your own alliance. Declining an offer from a team you think you don't mate up with nicely is also O.K. and the smart thing to do.

Bottom line: Asking top seeded teams to be your partner even though you know they will say no is O.K. Declining a selection from a team is also O.K.

-Paul

BTW - I'm glad 217 was not in Newton :)

[Tom Bottiglieri]

BTW - I'm glad 217 was not in Newton :)
I'm not.

[nparikh]

I'm not.

I agree. I think having 217 in our division would have made things even more interesting ;)

Regardless, Newton was good. And even if 176 did break up the 'powerhouse' alliances, 25/195/968 teamed up together and did something amazing. We made it to Einstein. We made it to the finals. We worked together well. And we only lost by 4 points. It was well worth it.

[natis]

The High Rollers want to thank 1503 and 1718 for an excellent alliance!!! We were a tough alliance!!! Thank you guys we gave a good fight.
Natalia

[Alex Cormier]

What a crazy division, too bad we couldn't bring home to gold this year. We will just have to wait until next year.

[PBurrell]

I'm with Cory on this one. If you are the number 1 seed, you have the right to pick anyone you want. If you want to break up potential power alliances by asking for certain teams, you have that right. It is the smart thing to do.

However, if you are in the top 8, you have also earned the right to pick your own alliance. Declining an offer from a team you think you don't mate up with nicely is also O.K. and the smart thing to do.

Bottom line: Asking top seeded teams to be your partner even though you know they will say no is O.K. Declining a selection from a team is also O.K.

-Paul

BTW - I'm glad 217 was not in Newton :)

I think it would be interesting to change the selection process. FIRST goes to a lot of effort tracking ranking points. Why not just have the top 24 teams in the selection pool. The top 8 teams that pick have to work with the teams that have good scores and have earned their place.

In Newton, I think there was 1 7-0, 6 6-1, and lots of 5-2 teams. The ranking points decided the number 8 position and their ability to pick. Personally, ranking points do not tell much of anything in a real match because of the way the are setup. I believe the a team with a 7-0 record with 0 ranking points (depending upon the teams) is much better than a 7-0 with 50 ranking points. Many times, teams are too worried about how to add to the opponents score. Personally, I don't know which is worse, getting beat badly, or getting beat badly and then the other team scoring point for me knowing that I didn't score them. I'm pretty sure everyone doesn't feel the same way, but it is just an opinion.

The only thing I think that comes out of the ranking point is to try and keep the damage to a minimum. When it comes to the finals though, I would think all bets are off.

[Chris Sturrock]

I personally had an amazing time this past weekend. the semi's in newton were definitely some very exciting matches. I don't think i saw another 2 triple digit score all season.

I would like to thank the scouts on 987 for being able to see our full potential, even tho we had a very tough schedule and lost 3 of our matches.

I would also like to thank 1718 for making up the last third of our alliance. you guys played some good defence, and to make it as far as you did as a rookie team. give yourselves a pat on the back.

I would also like to thank the #3 alliance 25, 968, and 195 for putting up a great fight in the semi's. you were all superb teams and you definitely deserved the win. It was a tough couple of matches, but in the end you guys came out on top. Congratulations again guys.

And then I would like to thank all of my mentors for making this an amazing season for 1503. 3 regional wins, and championship newton division semi-finalist is way more than i could have asked for at the beginning of the season.

and Congratulations Everyone on surviving another season in FIRST!

[aallen88]

I for one was very happy to be on Newton this year. This was the first time I actually got to be on the same field as my mentor likes to refer to them as the "big dogs". Wildstang, Beast, Poofs, and more...not to mention Aces High and High Rollers. It was definitely an experience to see how these teams ran themselves on the field, in the pits, and in the stands.

It really was a great competition and I wouldn't have wanted my last year to end any other way. Thanks to 229 for picking us. And of course congrats to 25, 968, and 195 for Newton Division Champs.

It has been a phenomenal ride. Thank you all. Thank you FIRST :) .

[BobC]

One thing we learned over the years is that there is no such thing as a sure thing.

We AGONIZED over who we wanted to pair with for the elims. Aces High one time picked us in the past and it was hard to turn them down, but our rationale was that they kept getting tipped over and we didnt want that.

As a team we were leaning towards both Wild Stang and High Rollers. We know the Rollers as our friends and alliance partners from LV and we knew they would get the job done. They also had the pushing power we wanted. But we also knew Stang from the 2003 season and lots of friendly interraction since then. Their dart in and shoot play also had great appeal. Both (actually a number of) teams had great robots that easily could have been a great partner.

Imagine the dilemma of having to face 11 on Sat morning undefeated at the time. If we won they fell back into the mix. If they won and we dropped out of the top few spots and possibly couldn't pick them as partner. We talked about this Friday and both teams agreed that GP warranted we both do our best and play it as it fell.
As it turned out they won (our first loss ever) and the result lowered our rank to where we were succeeded by Aces High, setting up this whole situation.
My compliments to Aces High for playing the game like a pro. I'm not sorry about the outcome of the division but they sure made the game a greater challenge for us.
Overall Newton was the toughest group of robots we played all year. How about a Newton Reunion on November 4 at our place for Brunswick Eruption 5?

It was a great division and great FIRST year.

WC :cool:
During qualifying matches team 176 Aces High flip over only once. The robot that flipped Aces High was given a 25 point penalty.

[BobC]

For starters, I don't think what they did was ungracious, or unprofessional, but it was pretty obvious that they were trying to keep the top 4 from allying with each other. I know we told them we'd like to pick our own alliance, before the choosing started, and I'm pretty sure other teams did as well. It was a very smart move on their part, to weaken the entire division while still being able to take the team they wanted #1 all along, and I'm sure many of us would have done it had we been in 176's position.
Thank you Cory.

[Rick TYler]

For starters, I don't think what they did was ungracious, or unprofessional, but it was pretty obvious that they were trying to keep the top 4 from allying with each other. I know we told them we'd like to pick our own alliance, before the choosing started, and I'm pretty sure other teams did as well. It was a very smart move on their part, to weaken the entire division while still being able to take the team they wanted #1 all along, and I'm sure many of us would have done it had we been in 176's position.

What I saw on the broadcast and read on Delphi is that 176 was a very successful team that chose alliances by the book and completely in agreement with the rules -- both by the letter and in spirit. I've read some folks here on CD whining about the way 176 playing -- even though no one has accused them of cheating, breaking the rules or even being bad sports. Sometimes you win, sometimes you lose. The vast majority of FIRSTies are good losers. Some are whiners. I encourage the whining minority to emulate the majority.

[Craig Roys]

I personally had an amazing time this past weekend. the semi's in newton were definitely some very exciting matches. I don't think i saw another 2 triple digit score all season.

I would like to thank the scouts on 987 for being able to see our full potential, even tho we had a very tough schedule and lost 3 of our matches.

I would also like to thank 1718 for making up the last third of our alliance. you guys played some good defence, and to make it as far as you did as a rookie team. give yourselves a pat on the back.

I would also like to thank the #3 alliance 25, 968, and 195 for putting up a great fight in the semi's. you were all superb teams and you definitely deserved the win. It was a tough couple of matches, but in the end you guys came out on top. Congratulations again guys.

And then I would like to thank all of my mentors for making this an amazing season for 1503. 3 regional wins, and championship newton division semi-finalist is way more than i could have asked for at the beginning of the season.

and Congratulations Everyone on surviving another season in FIRST!

Thank you, we had a great time. That was our first experience in elimination rounds (we didn't get picked at GLR or WMR) and we couldn't have asked for better alliance partners.

[Craig Roys]

I think it would be interesting to change the selection process. FIRST goes to a lot of effort tracking ranking points. Why not just have the top 24 teams in the selection pool. The top 8 teams that pick have to work with the teams that have good scores and have earned their place.

In Newton, I think there was 1 7-0, 6 6-1, and lots of 5-2 teams. The ranking points decided the number 8 position and their ability to pick. Personally, ranking points do not tell much of anything in a real match because of the way the are setup. I believe the a team with a 7-0 record with 0 ranking points (depending upon the teams) is much better than a 7-0 with 50 ranking points. Many times, teams are too worried about how to add to the opponents score. Personally, I don't know which is worse, getting beat badly, or getting beat badly and then the other team scoring point for me knowing that I didn't score them. I'm pretty sure everyone doesn't feel the same way, but it is just an opinion.

The only thing I think that comes out of the ranking point is to try and keep the damage to a minimum. When it comes to the finals though, I would think all bets are off.

I would have to disagree with this. That leaves not hope for teams in the middle of the pack or near the bottom. We were a defensive team this year and had a tough time winning matches if we didn't have an offensive team with us. We finished 2-5 and were ranked 74th. Under your proposed system, we could've packed the robot up Friday night because we wouldn't have had a chance. Instead, we got noticed by the #2 seed and ended up playing our way to the semi's. You've got to leave the opportunity open for the "cinderella story" to happen. Maybe there could be another way to do the ranking points, but I kind of like the way that is set up. Just my $.02 for what it's worth.

[Cory]

I think it would be interesting to change the selection process. FIRST goes to a lot of effort tracking ranking points. Why not just have the top 24 teams in the selection pool. The top 8 teams that pick have to work with the teams that have good scores and have earned their place.

In Newton, I think there was 1 7-0, 6 6-1, and lots of 5-2 teams. The ranking points decided the number 8 position and their ability to pick. Personally, ranking points do not tell much of anything in a real match because of the way the are setup. I believe the a team with a 7-0 record with 0 ranking points (depending upon the teams) is much better than a 7-0 with 50 ranking points. Many times, teams are too worried about how to add to the opponents score. Personally, I don't know which is worse, getting beat badly, or getting beat badly and then the other team scoring point for me knowing that I didn't score them. I'm pretty sure everyone doesn't feel the same way, but it is just an opinion.

The only thing I think that comes out of the ranking point is to try and keep the damage to a minimum. When it comes to the finals though, I would think all bets are off.

There's absolutely nothing wrong with the ranking process. The problem is very simple--there need to be more than 7 qualifying matches per team.

That, and the serpentine shouldn't come back.

[Richard Wallace]

There's absolutely nothing wrong with the ranking process. The problem is very simple--there need to be more than 7 qualifying matches per team.That's the same as saying there should be fewer teams per division, assuming that the time available for qualifying matches won't increase.

Is 86 teams too many?

[Dave Flowerday]

Is 86 teams too many?
Maybe 4 divisions is not enough? I think they could easily fit one more field in the Dome, and also Einstein could be used, giving 6 divisions. That would be something closer to 55 teams per division - much more reasonable. The tricky part would be figuring out how to have a fair playoff for the Championship winner.

[Koko Ed]

Maybe 4 divisions is not enough? I think they could easily fit one more field in the Dome, and also Einstein could be used, giving 6 divisions. That would be something closer to 55 teams per division - much more reasonable. The tricky part would be figuring out how to have a fair playoff for the Championship winner.
Round robin tourney.

[Imajie]

Maybe 4 divisions is not enough? I think they could easily fit one more field in the Dome, and also Einstein could be used, giving 6 divisions. That would be something closer to 55 teams per division - much more reasonable. The tricky part would be figuring out how to have a fair playoff for the Championship winner.
With that, where would the lego league play since they use Einstein on thursday and friday?

[Richard Wallace]

Maybe 4 divisions is not enough? I think they could easily fit one more field in the Dome, and also Einstein could be used, giving 6 divisions. That would be something closer to 55 teams per division - much more reasonable. The tricky part would be figuring out how to have a fair playoff for the Championship winner.Yeah, it's gonna be tricky to devise a fair system if N(divisions) is not equal to 2^k for some integer k

[Cory]

That the same as saying there should be fewer teams per division, assuming that the time available for qualifying matches won't increase.

Is 86 teams too many?

I think the ideal situation would be that 6 fields are run between the 4 divisions.

That can't happen though--IFI doesn't have enough frequencies.

[Richard Wallace]

Round robin tourney.Single match per round instead of best two out of three?

[379Robocat]

In previous years at epcot, Einstein was an open field. Every team no matter what division you were on got to play a match on Einstein which was your NASA televised field. Now that FLL has taken over Einstein there is a shortage of fields. The only other solution would be add another day to competition or make the event days longer, which will never happen. The way things are now is very exhausting and adding a day makes it worse. Just face it 7 matches is all we will ever get unless someone comes up with a genius idea and it somehow works.

[PBurrell]

Maybe 4 divisions is not enough? I think they could easily fit one more field in the Dome, and also Einstein could be used, giving 6 divisions. That would be something closer to 55 teams per division - much more reasonable. The tricky part would be figuring out how to have a fair playoff for the Championship winner.

Thinking back to our regional, we only had about 50 teams. There were 8 matches instead of 7. If you do the math, if the cut the divisions in half, that would allow for one more match. It would require 8 fields and I don't think that will happen.

[Craig Roys]

The problem is the sword cuts both ways. It is great to have the cinderella story, but how about the ninth place person (and no, we were not that team). They work just as hard and don't get picked? In fact, they actually did better because their score are 5-2. The bad thing is that there is no way to determine your fate unless you are one of the top 8. Out of 84 teams, that is hard to do. As I heard several people say at the competition, there is such a fine line that allows a team to advance or not.

FIRST is trying to sell the competition like a sporting event. If you look at how most sporting events are run, there are not any teams in the 0-7 that make the playoff cuts. The cinderallas are the 3-4 or the 4-3 teams and that is dependant upon the bracket size.

I don't know if there is a solution that would make everyone happy, but since there was all of the discussion about the picks, I thought I would add a different perspective.

Good point, but at the same time that FIRST tries to sell themselves as a sporting event, they brag about how different it is. Most years, it seems that there are two main strategies to a game - offensive and defensive. More often than not, the defensive teams do not make the top 8, but rely on the fact that the the top 8 offensive teams will need a good defensive team to advance in the eliminations. This makes for interesting strategy decisions in early Jan. - Do you want to be an offensive team and hope your good enough to be in the top 8 or a defensive team and hope your good enough that someone in the top 8 picks you? FIRST is supposed to be about more than just wins and losses - the collaboration is a big part.

I also want to add that my argument doesn't come soley from the fact that I'm on a rookie team who spent their season in the middle to bottom of the pack (although that has some influence). I spent the previous 4 years with a team who was most often in or near the top 8 - only once in those four years did we leave a regional without playing in the eliminations. I liked the fact that we could pick whatever team (no matter where they ranked) we felt best complimented our robot and gave us the best chance to win. I also didn't mind that if we were out of the top 8, we would have to hope someone thought we could help them win. It adds to the excitment of the whole process.

Lastly, as was said in an earlier post - 7 matches is not enough to fairly determine rankings. So much importance goes to the randomness of who your alliance partners are in qualifying matches. Hence, the importance of scouting.

Debate away - just my opinion (and you know what they say about opinions).

[PBurrell]

Good point, but at the same time that FIRST tries to sell themselves as a sporting event, they brag about how different it is. Most years, it seems that there are two main strategies to a game - offensive and defensive. More often than not, the defensive teams do not make the top 8, but rely on the fact that the the top 8 offensive teams will need a good defensive team to advance in the eliminations. This makes for interesting strategy decisions in early Jan. - Do you want to be an offensive team and hope your good enough to be in the top 8 or a defensive team and hope your good enough that someone in the top 8 picks you? FIRST is supposed to be about more than just wins and losses - the collaboration is a big part.

I also want to add that my argument doesn't come soley from the fact that I'm on a rookie team who spent their season in the middle to bottom of the pack (although that has some influence). I spent the previous 4 years with a team who was most often in or near the top 8 - only once in those four years did we leave a regional without playing in the eliminations. I liked the fact that we could pick whatever team (no matter where they ranked) we felt best complimented our robot and gave us the best chance to win. I also didn't mind that if we were out of the top 8, we would have to hope someone thought we could help them win. It adds to the excitment of the whole process.

Lastly, as was said in an earlier post - 7 matches is not enough to fairly determine rankings. So much importance goes to the randomness of who your alliance partners are in qualifying matches. Hence, the importance of scouting.

Debate away - just my opinion (and you know what they say about opinions).

You managed to capture the message I deleted. Anyway, after I sent it I finally remembered that the Top 8 are truly the winners of the division. At that point, scoring goes out the window. I totally agree, 7 matches is not enough, but I don't think that will ever be solved. It is already to big to handle it any other way.

[BobC]

I would have to disagree with this. That leaves not hope for teams in the middle of the pack or near the bottom. We were a defensive team this year and had a tough time winning matches if we didn't have an offensive team with us. We finished 2-5 and were ranked 74th. Under your proposed system, we could've packed the robot up Friday night because we wouldn't have had a chance. Instead, we got noticed by the #2 seed and ended up playing our way to the semi's. You've got to leave the opportunity open for the "cinderella story" to happen. Maybe there could be another way to do the ranking points, but I kind of like the way that is set up. Just my $.02 for what it's worth.

Craig
You are right in Atlanta I heard at some regional there was a team that was dead last. During the picking some team pick the dead last team and ending up going to the finals.

[George A.]

Craig
You are right in Atlanta I heard at some regional there was a team that was dead last. During the picking some team pick the dead last team and ending up going to the finals.

I don't think that they were last but I know that 11 was seeded 8th at Palmetto, got bumped up to 6th Allaince Captain...then picked the 41st and the 44th seeded teams and wound up sweeping their way through the elimination rounds to win Palmetto.

[AcesPease]

I don't think that they were last but I know that 11 was seeded 8th at Palmetto, got bumped up to 6th Allaince Captain...then picked the 41st and the 44th seeded teams and wound up sweeping their way through the elimination rounds to win Palmetto.

Sounds like you did some good scouting! Team 177 did something similar at UTC and won.

[George A.]

Sounds like you did some good scouting! Team 177 did something similar at UTC and won.


Bobcats also did that at Philly, and on Galileo...Bobcat Robotics can do my scouting any day of the week! (I figured you could use a break, Ashley)