dlavery game hint

[nuggetsyl]

http://www.chiefdelphi.com/forums/showthread.php?t=41024&highlight=game+hints

So i woke up this moring and desided why not do something thing stupid and look a dlaverys game hint. It is kinda like saying let me hit my finger with this hammer, you know, for fun. It was a fish that caught my eye. I am not sure what the name of the fish was, but it has a lure, a light that sticks out in front of its mouth to attract its dinner. I wonder if this years game will have other lights to make the robots deside which light to go to and the color you need to go to changes each round. IF you are wrong i guess your robot gets eaton.

[chris31]

Interesting idea. I think the camera will be critical to this year. And there will be more lights and difrent colors than last year.

[Rich Wong]

http://www.chiefdelphi.com/forums/showthread.php?t=41024&highlight=game+hints
It was a fish that caught my eye. I am not sure what the name of the fish was, but it has a lure, a light that sticks out in front of its mouth to attract its dinner. I wonder if this years game will have other lights to make the robots deside which light to go to and the color you need to go to changes each round. IF you are wrong i guess your robot gets eaton.

That is the Viper fish.

Key words- light organs, photophores, bioluminescence, etc.
:)

[JaneYoung]

That is the Viper fish.

Key words- light organs, photophores, bioluminescence, etc.
:)
What are the other 2 smaller fish?

[nuggetsyl]

dinner

[David Kelly]

We found Nemo!!

[The Cyborg]

Don't forget that there is also a banana on the robot :ahh: ! The banana might be a critical game piece! Either that or the lights (AKA the "lures") will be yellow... Like a smiley face. :)

[nuggetsyl]

Don't forget that there is also a banana on the robot :ahh: ! The banana might be a critical game piece! Either that or the lights (AKA the "lures") will be yellow... Like a smiley face. :)
Dave said that we would know what the banana was all about in april. So i do not think it is a game piece

[JaneYoung]

I can't help but think one of the yellow eyebrows on the robot looks like a pipe fish.

[nuggetsyl]

They hinted at nats the lights next year would be red then blue then green. Well our led lights on the robots are red and blue and so are the player station lights. So maybe its going to distract our robots from the real light unless you program it right.

[JaneYoung]

http://www.seasky.org/monsters/sea7a1d.html
Edit: I don't think this guy looks like the fish in the hint - he is banded with a different kind of mouth.

[Nitroxextreme]

Maybe the banana is just lunch....

we have to sort play a game of keep away...I dono

Only thing I would be worried about is water and possibility of moving field components (by their own power).

[Kristian Calhoun]

We found Nemo!!
Rather, the angler fish found Nemo. (http://i33.photobucket.com/albums/d74/calhounian/angler_fish.jpg) ;)

They hinted at nats the lights next year would be red then blue then green. Well our led lights on the robots are red and blue and so are the player station lights. So maybe its going to distract our robots from the real light unless you program it right.This concern was also discussed in this thread (http://www.chiefdelphi.com/forums/showthread.php?t=41024&page=7). However, when FIRST does use multi-colored lights, I'm sure that they will find a way around this, and it won't be too much of a problem [hopefully].

[artdutra04]

Eureka!

I've finally figured out what this game hint means! What it really means is... [static]

"Attention, people of Earth. I regret to inform you that in order to make way for the new hyperspace express route, your planet has been scheduled for demolition. Have a nice day."

Sigh. I never quite got the hang of Thursdays...

[Wayne C.]

look above

[Wayne C.]

$@#$@#$@#$@#$@#$@# Shaun- I didnt want to be drawn into this !!

OK- the fish may or may not be an angler fish. I cant make out a lure but no angler fish I know of has broad bands. I kind of doubt that the species is identifiable from the picture

However one of the other two fish (the banded one) is identifiable as a species of angelfish. If anyone thinks it is critical I guess I can look up the species in my monograph on Pomacentrids. The third fish ( the cream colored one) is nondescript and could be a Butterfish or any of a variety of other species.

The eye missing is interesting- of course that may be a FISH EYE lens we need to deal with or some similar optical distortion. And the broad bands might be the spectral bands we need to deal with.

Barrels came up somewhere in the past-
maybe we are shooting fish in a barrel (with a camera with a fisheye lens)


Or maybe the robots are playing Canasta. At this point I dont want to think about it any more.

WC :cool:


btw- the banana means the game has a-peel

[dlavery]

OK- the fish may or may not be an angler fish. I cant make out a lure but no angler fish I know of has broad bands. I kind of doubt that the species is identifiable from the picture

However one of the other two fish (the banded one) is identifiable as a species of angelfish. If anyone thinks it is critical I guess I can look up the species in my monograph on Pomacentrids. The third fish ( the cream colored one) is nondescript and could be a Butterfish or any of a variety of other species.

The eye missing is interesting- of course that may be a FISH EYE lens we need to deal with or some similar optical distortion. And the broad bands might be the spectral bands we need to deal with.
Or maybe they are all herrings. http://www.factorfantasy.com/thedavegallery/photos/herring.jpg

But then again, maybe not.

-dave


.

[Wayne C.]

Or maybe they are all herrings. http://www.factorfantasy.com/thedavegallery/photos/herring.jpg

But then again, maybe not.

-dave


.
Dave- they look like red snappers. Are these clues fishy or just scaled down? I wont take the bait......

[Daisy]

What about the fourth fish-like thing?

Daisy

[JaneYoung]

look above
Mr. Cokely, when you said this, I looked up and saw a ceiling.

If you ever try to help Dave with clues, we are in big trouble.
Jane

[Schnabel]

Or maybe they are all herrings. http://www.factorfantasy.com/thedavegallery/photos/herring.jpg

But then again, maybe not.

-dave


.
Nice with the photoshoping! But, not nice enough! :p

Also, i wonder if like the fish are robots controlled by someone on another team (the human player) and to get rid of them, you have to feed them the banana. That could get interesting! Also, what if the field is blocked off from the drivers and they can only see through a fish eyed camera, now that would be cool to see!

EDIT:After watching the Aim High animation, if you notice it is done by HavaBanana Productions. So the question is, Is the banana a game piece, or an advertisement?

[nuggetsyl]

Here is my guess for the water game part.

http://www.poof-slinky.com/catalog/catalog.asp?org=4&start=16&action=prov&catid=42&prodid=77&

Now if i can only figure out how to get the fish out of the ball.

[Andrew Blair]

I think when the going gets tough over at mission control, Dave just pulls up one of these threads and cozy's up to a box of butter fried KK's for some comic relief...:p

[Schnabel]

I think when the going gets tough over at mission control, Dave just pulls up one of these threads and cozy's up to a box of butter fried KK's for some comic relief...
SHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH! Don't give out all of his secrets! ;)

[JaneYoung]

What about the fourth fish-like thing?

Daisy
I'm not sure if you are talking about the pipefish reference but this is a pipefish.
http://www.sheddaquarium.org/sea/fact_sheets_print.cfm?id=107

[Rich Wong]

What about the fourth fish-like thing?

Daisy
Hmmm....
I see only three fishes and a banana (representing low hanging fruit?) on top of a blue robot which is behind the blue line or blue starter box.

It looks like the robot is about to start a match and the fishes or game components are ready to take the banana (token?) from the blue robot. Or have to feed the "viperfish."

Two types of fish may represent to types of game pieces; one predator and one prey.

(Some crazy idea when I'm tired!) :yikes:

[Daisy]

Hmmm....
I see only three fishes and a banana (representing low hanging fruit?) on top of a blue robot which is behind the blue line or blue starter box.


Daisy

[Wayne C.]

Mr. Cokely, when you said this, I looked up and saw a ceiling.

If you ever try to help Dave with clues, we are in big trouble.
Jane


wait!- fish travel in schools and students travel with schools. Maybe the students will be on the field and be operated by the robots......

fish on a plane- Dave's favorite movie

the significance of the banana- Havabanana productions- the makers of the game videos (aka Dave's alter ego)

of course the banana might symbolize the destruction of the rainforests for banana production resulting in the loss of coral reefs and fishes due to sedimentation and an allusion to the FRC playing an Ocean Odyssey game like the FLL kids played last year.

The missing eye in the fish symbolizes our blindness to these important global issues. The haziness of the entire scene might mean that fog generators will make clouds all over the playing field to blind the robot cameras and baffle the drivers.

Or I might just be wading deep in a noxious brown material....

WC :cool:

[Rich Wong]

Daisy
aha.... yellow eyebrows?
or special sensors to detect the yellow fishies?
:)

[Arefin Bari]

Dave said that we would know what the banana was all about in april. So i do not think it is a game piece

Well Dave is pulling another trick on us with the banana (if you know Dave well enough, he loves to play with our minds)... he will have the other dave say during the einstein finals...

... so now we are going to have both alliance compete on a special field. The field is full of sand, instead of the traditional carpet. Robots will have to run around in the sand, hence it will be hard to control but we believe you have the ability to pull it off. so here we go...

... oops, I was just kidding you know...

p.s.- Dave... I am still not falling for it. 3 more months...

[Daisy]

aha.... yellow eyebrows?
or special sensors to detect the yellow fishies?
:)

I see it!

I was looking at the picture vertically, rather than horizontally, because I assumed that if the fish did not take the properties of refraction of light through a substance, neither would anything else. But there is definitely a blue robot there.

Daisy

[JaneYoung]

I'm very attached to the pipefish...even if it is probably silly.

If we have to deal with this water stuff, pipefish are way cooler than vipers or angler things. Those are just nasty. uck.

Mr. Cokely - please don't give up your day job.(j/k) :)

[Schnabel]

As far as the pipe fish go, if you look at last year's animation, the blue robot has the exact same ones.

[i like dirt]

I don't know if anyone has mentioned this before,
but that robot and the banana have been used before in the 2005 game animation, the robot was the "defense bot" in the video and the banana came at the end with the credits. The banana was the last thing that showed up on the screen before it ended. And it said "Another Havabanana Production". Maybe the Banana and the robot are just signs that it is a Dave Lavery Production. And they may have no relevancy to the 2007 game.

[GMKlenklen]

Hey, I just hope one of my new coolness drive train ideas will be viable in the 07 game! (no slick ramps.. no slick ramps!) (but stairs are OK!)

[Dan Zollman]

The banana means that yellow is the fourth color.

[Michelle Celio]

Just a though, but when you look threw water, things get distorted.

Maybe a type of glass on the drivers station that will make the field very distorted?

[StephLee]

Just a though, but when you look threw water, things get distorted.

Maybe a type of glass on the drivers station that will make the field very distorted?

Ugh, I hope not. I had enough trouble seeing the field last year over our drivers' shoulders...darn tall people.

[Sykan]

Why does the picture look like this robot from the video they relased?
the bananna looks like it could be the robots eyebows.


http://team540.home.comcast.net/Bot.JPG

[Cody Carey]

I have a theory... Dave just felt like putting a picture of fish with a robot on CD so he could see the 300 comment thread it started...


:D

[Schnabel]

I have a theory... Dave just felt like putting a picture of fish with a robot on CD so he could see the 300 comment thread it started...


:D
Well then let's not let him down!

[Peter Matteson]

Why does the picture look like this robot from the video they relased?
the bananna looks like it could be the robots eyebows.


Because it's a photoshopped screen image from last year's animation. Also most of the same animation bots were used in 2004's animation.

[Gene F]

Well the last time we had four different color lights on the field was in 2002 when it was four teams against the clock. Are we going to do that again? Dave's fish picture does have four fish in it.

I would also be ready for the game changing at the Championship this year. Nothing major just something to scramble the field a little. A test of our agility!

[bear24rw]

Just a though, but when you look threw water, things get distorted.

Maybe a type of glass on the drivers station that will make the field very distorted?

That would be pretty interesting...

[SBloodmoon]

I don't know about you guys, but the most amusing thing to do is come back to hint threads in June and just laugh at how close/far we were.

[Dylan Gramlich]

Well the last time we had four different color lights on the field was in 2002 when it was four teams against the clock. Are we going to do that again? Dave's fish picture does have four fish in it.

I would also be ready for the game changing at the Championship this year. Nothing major just something to scramble the field a little. A test of our agility!
I am not sure they will do this because FIRST wants to inspire teamwork and co-opition(spelled it wrong!) also if you had 4 teams against each other/clock you could have 3 teams gang up on the 1 team and it just wouldn't be GP. If they do they may be testing our internal-FIRST-installed-GP-meters :D or then again maybe i am bored in my study hall at school :rolleyes:

[CurseofDragon33]

So I guess the robot is going to have to search for different color lights. This will make the camera very important.

[rees2001]

After reading this thread I only have 1 thing to say.... I'm drowning throw me a lifesaver

[JaneYoung]

After reading this thread I only have 1 thing to say.... I'm drowning throw me a lifesaver
Well, what you need to do is put on some good rock and roll and do the Swim.
Great dance.

Just make sure that you don't
- break anything
- knock anything over
.. esp. in a public place
..like a busy restaurant
*cough* *innocent eyes*

[65_Xero_Huskie]

Hmmm..
this has been bugging me for a while now. But wouldnt it be interesting if the driver station glass was shaped like a thin fishtank about an inch wide and they filled it with water so its distorted?
Just an idea, because the picture never said it was the robot underwater, it could be that your just looking through a fishtank :ahh:

[Nitroxextreme]

Hmmm..
this has been bugging me for a while now. But wouldnt it be interesting if the driver station glass was shaped like a thin fishtank about an inch wide and they filled it with water so its distorted?
Just an idea, because the picture never said it was the robot underwater, it could be that your just looking through a fishtank :ahh:

This thought also crossed my mind...this would make the robots more dependent on sensors.

However, the safety aspect again comes into play. If they did something like this then there would definitely be more disabled robots and less intense gameplay.

[ewankoff]

if they are going to distort the driver's vision i would think they would have accounted for safety. after reading the above couple posts maybe the human players will be out of harms way this year making it harder to be disabled.

[LightWaves1636]

After reading this thread I only have 1 thing to say.... I'm drowning throw me a lifesaver

spearmint or wintergreen?

[razor95kds]

Maybe the four lights represent four robots competing seperatly on the same field during qualifying, but will go head-to-head in teams of two just like in VEX. It would simplify the RP system, which some people consider broken right now.

[Chief Samwize]

I don't know if anyone has seen this yet but if you look on the back of the blue robot up near the top left corner you can see a silver box with 3 colored circles in them, red, blue, and green, which gives some hint to the three colored lights. Also I saw this mentioned by someone else on the original post, the angler fish has a light at the tip of the thing that comes off the top of his head while the other two fish don't. This my represent three ways to score one camera based and the other two not. also the angler fish has a missing eye maybe suggesting that you must rely on the camera completely to score. As for the banana it is either for HavaBanana Production or to represent something will be slippery such as a ramp or maybe the scoring section. That is what I believe. :D

[SuperJake]

So how about this take on things: Dave's hints are generally rather subtle, so I think you are thinking too much into some of the hint objects. Clearly the banana and fish represent something slippery. The juggling herrings is a further illustration of this.

Here is my guess: Either the entire floor, or a prominent surface feature will be slick - like the HDPE in years past. The trick will be that you will no longer be able to suction yourself onto the surface due to a new rule or restriction (hence the banana). Additionally, at least one of the game pieces will be difficult to manipulate - possibly hard plastic balls or similar (hence the juggling herrings).

Enjoy.

[colin340]

So how about this take on things: Dave's hints are generally rather subtle, so I think you are thinking too much into some of the hint objects. Clearly the banana and fish represent something slippery. The juggling herrings is a further illustration of this.

Here is my guess: Either the entire floor, or a prominent surface feature will be slick - like the HDPE in years past. The trick will be that you will no longer be able to suction yourself onto the surface due to a new rule or restriction (hence the banana). Additionally, at least one of the game pieces will be difficult to manipulate - possibly hard plastic balls or similar (hence the juggling herrings).

Enjoy.
there looks to be more to that reflexion then just the light box in fact there looks like there are to rows of lights(with the banana Between them) six in each row parallel to each other
but there a light colored shape maybe a cube near the silver light boxes

[Schnabel]

I don't know if anyone has seen this yet but if you look on the back of the blue robot up near the top left corner you can see a silver box with 3 colored circles in them, red, blue, and green, which gives some hint to the three colored lights.

Upon further investigation (that makes me feel important saying that), I found that the pattern of the three colors repeats across the screen. You can see it repeat through the entire "ripple". Also, I found the second banana in that ripple. So there are actually too bananas and a row of lights.

http://img141.imageshack.us/img141/5707/gamehintsifervp7.th.jpg (http://img141.imageshack.us/my.php?image=gamehintsifervp7.jpg)
I highlighted these spots for you, click on the image for a larger view.

[colin340]

look to the right of the banana and you will see the secon light row

[65_Xero_Huskie]

Upon further investigation (that makes me feel important saying that), I found that the pattern of the three colors repeats across the screen. You can see it repeat through the entire "ripple". Also, I found the second banana in that ripple. So there are actually too bananas and a row of lights.

http://img141.imageshack.us/img141/5707/gamehintsifervp7.th.jpg (http://img141.imageshack.us/my.php?image=gamehintsifervp7.jpg)
I highlighted these spots for you, click on the image for a larger view.

is it just me, or does anyone else NOT see these, i have been looking for 3 days now and do not see them.

[SuperJake]

is it just me, or does anyone else NOT see these, i have been looking for 3 days now and do not see them.

Clearly these items exist inside the picture. If you can't see them, then you are have allowed the aliens to hide them from you. Add a tin-foil body suit and everything becomes clear!

[65_Xero_Huskie]

Clearly these items exist inside the picture. If you can't see them, then you are have allowed the aliens to hide them from you. Add a tin-foil body suit and everything becomes clear!

Ive been telling people the aliens have been out to get me. They are going to make me the last person in FIRST to get the clue. I KNEW IT, THE ALIENS ARE OUT THERE!

[JaneYoung]

I just happen to have my handy dandy little white paper 3 D glasses sitting here at the computer and other than looking swell, I'm here to tell you they did nothing, said nothing, gave nothing away.

- you are not alone - question is, why do I feel normal sharing this? :)

[Richard Wallace]

I just happen to have my handy dandy little white paper 3 D glasses sitting here at the computer and other than looking swell, I'm here to tell you they did nothing, said nothing, gave nothing away....Jane, it is gratifying to know that you have not gone bananas. ;)

[Schnabel]

Rows of lights, hmm. Disco anyone? :rolleyes:

[Joohoo]

If you look at the space in between the top and bottom fish there seems to be a depression in the carpet. I don't know if it's a coincidence but it may mean something. I don't know a placebo, or something crazy like that.

Ya know what I've been looking at the pic so long I'll just wait till January. Or at least till the next clue comes out.

[Fixen]

Upon further investigation (that makes me feel important saying that), I found that the pattern of the three colors repeats across the screen. You can see it repeat through the entire "ripple". Also, I found the second banana in that ripple. So there are actually too bananas and a row of lights.

http://img141.imageshack.us/img141/5707/gamehintsifervp7.th.jpg
I highlighted these spots for you, click on the image for a larger view.

I think you're looking way too deeply...if his hints are so subtle he wouldn't spend so much time on it.

I'm looking at the fish. They have patterns...like...stripes. As bad an outcome that would make, I'm throwing a guess that we're having our cameras look at patterns.

[Morgan Gillespie]

During ramp riot I saw Dave walking around with a banana in his pocket. I was standing there thinking hmm...
Bananas
Bananas come in bunches
Grapes come in bunches
Grapes grow on vines
(A)
Vines can climb up walls
Next years game involves climbing up a wall or a very steep incline
Or
(B)
Kudzu is a type of vine
Kudzu "overtakes" anything in its way
Overtake means to catch up and pass something
(B1)
Next years game will also be high scoring
(B2)
Automode next year will also be a very important part of the game and who ever wins has a large point advantage

[Sykan]

Maybe there's just going to be a blue line on the carpet, and the bot needs to follow it or even avoid it.
if you think about it they get a Velcro line with blue on it and move it every match.

[Mazin]

Guys, we're making the worst connexions since when I linked fat people to Hurricane Katrina.

For the conspiracy fans, I've posted a color enhanced picture so you don't have to squint into the darkness for so long. Levels and color balance have been adjusted. There's also a super saturated version just in case you're really looking for the little things.

http://files.aztekera.com/images/colorenhanced2007gamehint.png
http://files.aztekera.com/images/supersaturated2007gamehint.png

[silicon_ghoti]

Hey out there,
I notices something on another thread on Team 488 (Xbot's) Holonomic drive that piqued my interest. Dave Lavery was commenting on the drive and asked if it could climb stairs. :ahh: So maybe this year we'll be playing around with stairs.

There's my conspiracy theory for the day.

[Peter Matteson]

Hey out there,
I notices something on another thread on Team 488 (Xbot's) Holonomic drive that piqued my interest. Dave Lavery was commenting on the drive and asked if it could climb stairs. :ahh: So maybe this year we'll be playing around with stairs.

There's my conspiracy theory for the day.

And his Red Herring. :D

[65_Xero_Huskie]

I have a feeling, that this is going to be a pointless thread around the end of december.
Dont get me wrong, i love people throwing out ideas and getting their imagination flowing, thats what i LOVE to do. Makes me think of off the wall things and things that i dont need to be thinking about.
But i bet 10/1 that there is only 1 thing in this picture that has to do with the game. And all oif these theorys about a conspiracy with the water and the rings and every other thing. the thing that this picture was meant to do, was to keep peoples minds going on FIRST thru the off season. And it worked. good job dave :)
*But i still keep looking for more things on this picture dispite the fact i think its futile*

[dlavery]

But i bet 10/1 that there is only 1 thing in this picture that has to do with the game.
At least 4 things, not 1.



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[Luke]

At least 4 things, not 1.



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4 things in the greatly enhance picture

1. The blue moat (a barrier to stop the robot)
2. The fish ( objects you have to fish out on the other side of barrier )
3. Eye ball (sensor on the robot to see the fish )
4. YELLOW Banana Like this year green light (one YELLOW is brighter
indicating whose turn)

[JamesBrown]

4 things in the greatly enhance picture

1. The blue moat (a barrier to stop the robot)
2. The fish ( objects you have to fish out on the other side of barrier )
3. Eye ball (sensor on the robot to see the fish )
4. YELLOW Banana Like this year green light (one YELLOW is brighter
indicating whose turn)

I am fairly confident that the robot will be involved atleast to some extent.

I would start with
1.) Robot
2.) Carpet
3.) field lines

[Graham Donaldson]

At least 4 things, not 1.



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QUICK! SCRUTINIZE EVERY SINGLE PIXEL!!!!!

Ha ha... I prefer this hint over last year's (tangling with pasta, yada yada yada...) b/c the hints are there (see quote), we just have to find them... not like last year where we actually had to come up with them- and yes, I'm lazy at solving riddles (probably because when I get nowhere with them, I get frustrated and give up)... CURSE DAVE AND HIS TRICKERY!!!

The clock is ticking towards kickoff... YAY!!!! :D

[JamesBrown]

QUICK! SCRUTINIZE EVERY SINGLE PIXEL!!!!!

Ha ha... I prefer this hint over last year's (tangling with pasta, yada yada yada...) b/c the hints are there (see quote), we just have to find them... not like last year where we actually had to come up with them- and yes, I'm lazy at solving riddles (probably because when I get nowhere with them, I get frustrated and give up)... CURSE DAVE AND HIS TRICKERY!!!

The clock is ticking towards kickoff... YAY!!!! :D

Don't worry, I am sure we can expect a wonderful official hint at the end of december/begining of january

[Donut]

Our official game hint/nights of sleeplessness should begin in about 3 weeks, right?

If we're getting this much speculation over this picture, I can't wait to see how long this year's game hint thread will be.

[Mazin]

WAIT WAIT WAIT

It's steganography!!!!

Quick! Somebody decode it!

[Peter Matteson]

WAIT WAIT WAIT

It's steganography!!!!

Quick! Somebody decode it!

Okay, that was so obscure I actually had to wiki it. :ahh:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steganography

[65_Xero_Huskie]

At least 4 things, not 1.



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WOOHOO, i did it on purpose to get dave to comment on it and give us an idea....


well maybe not, but hey, whatever works.

[JaneYoung]

Ok, this is what I - think - I see in our future:

a. a boatload of humor
b. a rules manual that can not be watered down
c. non-slip strategies
d. a whale of a good time building a robust robot

:)

[Neil Cameron]

I dunno. a game where only one side is on the offensive would make an interesting game. i should stop staring at this picture for hours.

[Joel J]

Guys, we're making the worst connexions since when I linked fat people to Hurricane Katrina.

For the conspiracy fans, I've posted a color enhanced picture so you don't have to squint into the darkness for so long. Levels and color balance have been adjusted. There's also a super saturated version just in case you're really looking for the little things.

http://files.aztekera.com/images/colorenhanced2007gamehint.png
http://files.aztekera.com/images/supersaturated2007gamehint.png
I just looked at this "enhanced picture.." am I the only one that sees a hand reaching for the banana?

You know, at the 2005 kickoff, Woodie Flowers mentioned that he wished the robots could shoot the tetras somewhere, but there was a safety issue involved, then boom, we are shooting balls in 2006. Last year, Dave L. talked about trying to get a water game going, but found there to be a lack of feasibility, due to the infrastructure required. Maybe some water-esque game is coming our way..

I also can't stop thinking about the stop/go red light green light hint he gave in one of his posts.

(scurries off to watch 2006 kickoff again)

[EricH]

Well the last time we had four different color lights on the field was in 2002 when it was four teams against the clock. Are we going to do that again? Dave's fish picture does have four fish in it.Actually, 2001.
I dunno. a game where only one side is on the offensive would make an interesting game.They tried it already--probably won't go there again.
I am not sure they will do this because FIRST wants to inspire teamwork and co-opition(spelled it wrong!) also if you had 4 teams against each other/clock you could have 3 teams gang up on the 1 team and it just wouldn't be GP.It was against the clock, and they had to work together, then stop the robot for extra points.

I doubt that they'll do that type of game again. The finals took way too long. (4 minutes of playing time to settle one match of finals, 8 to have someone advance--not counting reset times.)

[Schnabel]

I just looked at this "enhanced picture.." am I the only one that sees a hand reaching for the banana?

You know, at the 2005 kickoff, Woodie Flowers mentioned that he wished the robots could shoot the tetras somewhere, but there was a safety issue involved, then boom, we are shooting balls in 2006. Last year, Dave L. talked about trying to get a water game going, but found there to be a lack of feasibility, due to the infrastructure required. Maybe some water-esque game is coming our way..

I also can't stop thinking about the stop/go red light green light hint he gave in one of his posts.

(scurries off to watch 2006 kickoff again)

I see it, thought of it, and decided not to talk about it. It doesn't look right is all.

[raymaniac]

I just looked at this "enhanced picture.." am I the only one that sees a hand reaching for the banana?
I don't see it.

[Sgraff_SRHS06]

I see it.

And this probably indicates a few things

1) The game is a grabbing game (where you have to grab something)
2) Bumpers are going to be used again (probably just like the bananas)
3) They will be picking up fish and doing something with the fish.
4) Time trial? 4 or 5 vs. 0.

[Koko Ed]

OK we got 88 responses compared to 753 last year! (http://www.chiefdelphi.com/forums/showthread.php?t=41013&highlight=2006+game+hint)
I'm very dissapointed in all of you!
You got two weeks to get cracking!

[JackN]

At least 4 things, not 1.



.

1. Next Years game will have robots
2. There will be a blue alliance
3. There will be three team Alliances
4. The animation will be created by Havabanana productions

There that is it that is what there is to this picture, so lets just ignore it until we get the official hint ok :) .

[Eric W. Jones]

There that is it that is what there is to this picture, so lets just ignore it until we get the official hint ok :) .

nevertheless, we press on undeterred!:D

Does anybody else see an eye and a wheelchair wheel near the banana? I'll bet that's significant.

[HUNT397]

1. Next Years game will have robots
2. There will be a blue alliance
3. There will be three team Alliances
4. The animation will be created by Havabanana productions

There that is it that is what there is to this picture, so lets just ignore it until we get the official hint ok :) .


Are you sure there will be three team Alliances?
Some regional’s look a little skimpy and barely fill the bracket system
Det just recently reached 30.
Maybe a repeat of 2001 co-operation (4 teams one goal):D

[65_Xero_Huskie]

Are you sure there will be three team Alliances?
Some regional’s look a little skimpy and barely fill the bracket system
Det just recently reached 30.
Maybe a repeat of 2001 co-operation (4 teams one goal):D

Then maybe everyone will be able to participate in the finals?

I dont think the number of teams matter as long as there are enough for 8 alliances in the eliminations.

I just hope there will be a simple game that doesnt require me to put in thousands of hours at GM :yikes:

[Anime-niac_2.9]

my first impression of thie year's game:

there will be at least one blue alliance robot that will use the banana as a lure to catch fish.
another possibility is that the picture is a diversion from the real game. it can't mean this year is going to be underwater.
if the picture isn't just feint, then what is the angler fish and those two yellow fish for?

[Jonathan Norris]

OK we got 88 responses compared to 753 last year! (http://www.chiefdelphi.com/forums/showthread.php?t=41013&highlight=2006+game+hint)
I'm very dissapointed in all of you!
You got two weeks to get cracking!

I bet the majority of those posts came in the last week. I distinctly remember refreshing my browser every minute for the last week....

[Donut]

Then maybe everyone will be able to participate in the finals?

I dont think the number of teams matter as long as there are enough for 8 alliances in the eliminations.

Even that's not necessary; Toronto had 10 or 12 alliances for the finals last year, and I believe another regional (I think Pittsburgh or Waterloo?) only had 6.

If we're getting this much discussion for an unofficial game hint, I can't wait to see the response to the official one.

[Pavan Dave]

Looking at this picture
http://files.aztekera.com/images/supersaturated2007gamehint.png
I am thinking that it will be a capture the flag-king of the hill type mission. Looking at it since there are three eyes and three fish I am thinking that the three fish are attacking (because they seem moving), over the boundary (the river), onto or near the eyes, which are guarding the banana which is the flag or what they are protecting. This is far fetched but maybe this will open some other minds up into thinking about different possibilities. And maybe, just maybe, the water under the banana symbolizes or signifies some sort of platform or some change in either terrain or either elevation or something to where your robot must overcome the obstacle and get. I am thinking that although this idea of mine is one sided, as soon as the buzzard rings, the banana is mirrored on the other side and the tables turn the other way. Also I am thinking you may have to replace the banana with something else for more points, like successfully replace the yellow banana with maybe a green or blue one and the banana's will be different colors for different points and maybe more than one in many locations, similar to the tetra theme, but also very different with the style this game is played.

For autonomy I am also thinking that maybe, just maybe you will have to capture the banana and that is just basic thought at the moment.

Pavan.

[Alex Burman]

Anyone know where I can find copies of the game animations from previous years. I am trying to verify a theory I developed.

[StephLee]

Even that's not necessary; Toronto had 10 or 12 alliances for the finals last year, and I believe another regional (I think Pittsburg or Waterloo?) only had 6.

If we're getting this much discussion for an unofficial game hint, I can't wait to see the response to the official one.


Pittsburgh had 7 last year due to a need for back-up teams.

[EricH]

OK we got 88 responses compared to 753 last year! (http://www.chiefdelphi.com/forums/showthread.php?t=41013&highlight=2006+game+hint)
I'm very dissapointed in all of you!
You got two weeks to get cracking!
They're all waiting for the official hint. Once that comes out, you'll get your responses.

[AndyB]

I've been thinking, and I dont know if this has already been posted, so i may look like an idiot here... but what does water do to light? it bends it... bends, curves, ARCS This makes me think about how this was released as a clue for last years game, but also makes me think this years game could involve projectiles.

[Alex Burman]

I've been thinking, and I dont know if this has already been posted, so i may look like an idiot here... but what does water do to light? it bends it... bends, curves, ARCS This makes me think about how this was released as a clue for last years game, but also makes me think this years game could involve projectiles.

I looked up the image source in CD Media and found it Tagged under 2005
http://www.chiefdelphi.com/media/photos/22418

[BanksKid]

i was just thinking what if the "banana" was part of his face?

[Tom Bottiglieri]

i was just thinking what if the "banana" was part of his face?
Also what if the clue has something to do with a TV show, like last year?
http://www.bbc.co.uk/devon/discovering/images2/famous/sir_richard_burton_pajamas.jpg
Who remembers this?

[BanksKid]

Whoa Whait a minuit slow dowm for a sec here!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Question: why are we listening to the ever so questionable dave lavery??????


Answer: HE has tricked us into believing everything he says..


Conclusion: The game will be some totally random, off the wall challenge of juggernaught proportions, designed to push our robots as well as the very minds that created them past the limits of typical human reality......................But thats just a guess.;)

[65_Xero_Huskie]

Conclusion: The game will be some totally random, off the wall challenge of juggernaught proportions, designed to push our robots as well as the very minds that created them past the limits of typical human reality......................But thats just a guess.;)

I hope not, the past 2 years have wiped me out,

i hope its simple and everyone can be on equal ground :)

[jakey]

Here is my guess for the water game part.

http://www.poof-slinky.com/catalog/catalog.asp?org=4&start=16&action=prov&catid=42&prodid=77&

Now if i can only figure out how to get the fish out of the ball.

Yeah, thats smart....water mixed with electronics

[Rickertsen2]

I have long since given up on these hints, and come to the conclusion that they are designed to befuddle us all and amuse Dave.

[AndyB]

My boss just came up with something:

What if the drivers are looking through distorted plexiglass for all or part of the match.

[IndySam]

Also what if the clue has something to do with a TV show, like last year?
http://www.bbc.co.uk/devon/discovering/images2/famous/sir_richard_burton_pajamas.jpg
Who remembers this?

Or this?

http://athens.uchicago.edu/~lenka/images/banana-splits.jpg

[Sgraff_SRHS06]

All I have to say to add to that is:

One fish
Two fish
Red fish
Blue fish

[Kati_Kat]

I have long since given up on these hints, and come to the conclusion that they are designed to befuddle us all and amuse Dave.

and it's working so well!

[AndyB]

Anyone think about a possible game piece in those large water jugs (like the ones from culligen)?

http://www.937kcountry.com/Corporate%20Sponsors%202006/Culligan/culligan.gif

[Eric W. Jones]

Anyone think about a possible game piece in those large water jugs (like the ones from culligen)?

http://www.937kcountry.com/Corporate%20Sponsors%202006/Culligan/culligan.gif
the water hint could be in that direction. A game using water jugs would be much more feasable than a "water" game, like with boats... nah. too hard to set up the field. What would the jugs be used for, though?

[BanksKid]

new question, what is the deal with you guys and mixinng water with electronics? the the thought scare you, or is it beyond your comprehension to realize that if it was an underwater game then the kit would be totally different.

[AndyB]

the water hint could be in that direction. A game using water jugs would be much more feasable than a "water" game, like with boats... nah. too hard to set up the field. What would the jugs be used for, though?

Obviously we would use empty jugs, as they are much lighter. They could definitly be used for scoring, or as some sort of goal, but my thought is a gamepiece.

[Sgraff_SRHS06]

Obviously we would use empty jugs, as they are much lighter. They could definitly be used for scoring, or as some sort of goal, but my thought is a gamepiece.

Bowling or bashing each other!! :D

[Eric W. Jones]

Bowling or bashing each other!! :D

I highly doubt that there would be any "bashing." This isn't battlebots:mad:

[AndyB]

haha, Dean, Woodie, and Dave are the pins.... :yikes: :p

[rees2001]

I highly doubt that there would be any "bashing." This isn't battlebots:mad:

2 words...

stack

attack

[efoote868]

we use water jugs... because the game will entail SUPER MENTOS ROCKETS!!!

[StephLee]

we use water jugs... because the game will entail SUPER MENTOS ROCKETS!!!

I. Love. It.

[ScoutingNerd175]

Also what if the clue has something to do with a TV show, like last year?
http://www.bbc.co.uk/devon/discovering/images2/famous/sir_richard_burton_pajamas.jpg
Who remembers this?

So, are you thinking we are coming down the stairs? (Yes, I do remember, and yes, it is the best theme song in the history of everything)

(Why do I keep posting after Steph? I swear, I'm not following you, Steph! Even if I do love 1629)

[Mike Schroeder]

I think the game is going to consist of having to stack objects this year.... I have been intercepting the snail mail, of all the GDC members and they have been receiving an extraordinary amount of free AOL Cd's.... so I think we are going to have to stack AOL Cd's this year



then again, maybe people just shouldn't listen to Big Mike, when he is bored, or tired and can't sleep

[BanksKid]

baby it will be extreem underwater battle bots, i know its been thought of before and i know that in the end it is a huge waste of time money and reasources but wouldnt it be cool just for one year tho throw all of that to the wind, say the heck with it, and have us build the terrifing death traps that are battle bots, and as far as gracious professionalism, helping otherteams would be key, and so would graciously and professionally standing by and watching your bot get totally ripped to shredds.;)

[rees2001]

I think the game is going to consist of having to stack objects this year.... I have been intercepting the snail mail, of all the GDC members and they have been receiving an extraordinary amount of free AOL Cd's.... so I think we are going to have to stack AOL Cd's this year



then again, maybe people just shouldn't listen to Big Mike, when he is bored, or tired and can't sleep

Have they been sent to those 200 mailboxes from last year?

[BanksKid]

i like that, better than my idea anyway.

[ScoutingNerd175]

I think the game is going to consist of having to stack objects this year.... I have been intercepting the snail mail, of all the GDC members and they have been receiving an extraordinary amount of free AOL Cd's.... so I think we are going to have to stack AOL Cd's this year

So, the GDC is trying to provide a public service by creating a use for AOL Cds? Wow, I'm impressed! :D

[ThomasP]

I bet we'll be building flying robots this year.

[Chief Samwize]

I think the game is going to consist of having to stack objects this year.... I have been intercepting the snail mail, of all the GDC members and they have been receiving an extraordinary amount of free AOL Cd's.... so I think we are going to have to stack AOL Cd's this year



then again, maybe people just shouldn't listen to Big Mike, when he is bored, or tired and can't sleep

What about having to stack the Cd's without srcatching them so they can be used at a later date or make a DJ-bot

[EricH]

My analysis:
The water: We can't see the game clearly.
The banana: Dave is saying that our minds will slip up on figuring out the game again.
The blue robot: The game will involve robots.
The light bar on the robot (connected to the "hint" at the Championship): Red vs. Blue, with green target lights.
The fish: Dave is throwing us some red herrings.
The blue line: Random item to throw us off.

By the way, this is a still from the 2006 animation, modified to give a bunch of "fake hints".

[RyanN]

When does the official game hint come out by the way? I haven't seen any news on this, and it is getting very close to the big day we've been waiting for since last year on this very special day I'm talking about. :D

[EricH]

When does the official game hint come out by the way? I haven't seen any news on this, and it is getting very close to the big day we've been waiting for since last year on this very special day I'm talking about. :D
Wait about another 1-2 weeks. If it's released at all, it'll be sometime in that window by tradition.

[pandamonium]

perhaps everyone is underthinking things. I belive that the three lights ar eimportant because there r going to be 3 teams of 2 in position stations on oposite ends of the field. The banana is just a farytail - ie dave laverys idea of a joke.

[RyanN]

Wait about another 1-2 weeks. If it's released at all, it'll be sometime in that window by tradition.

Thank you very much! I'll be on a watch for it.

[EricH]

perhaps everyone is underthinking things. I belive that the three lights ar eimportant because there r going to be 3 teams of 2 in position stations on oposite ends of the field. The banana is just a farytail - ie dave laverys idea of a joke.If we're all underthinking things, then I think that means you're overthinking them. Every year, everyone reads too much into the hints given by Dave.

[Tetraman]

It would be sooo funny if the Game hint for this year was this picture.

[tech91]

Hey everyone, my first post.
Where can I find all the clues so far?

[teh_pwnerer795]

Hey everyone, my first post.
Where can I find all the clues so far?

Your reading them:)

[Tetraman]

It probably isn't much. 3 on 3 is the current norm. However I'm having thoughts that the Blue, Red, and Gree 'lights' at the top, is actually the field configuration. If you look really close at the top three, the blue is cut off on the left, the green on the right, and the red is full circle.

http://i48.photobucket.com/albums/f242/ErwinTheSketcher/3v32.jpg

I figure this by saying that the yellow fish and the yellow banana are across each other...the orange fish and the orange eyebrow are across each other, the blue eye and the light blue mark on the fish is across each other.

EDIT: You know how there is a picture of Dave tossing his Red snappers and said "Maybe they are Herring". Well after some research, in 2004 75% of all Red Snapper was actually found out to be labeled incorrectly, for those Red Snapper where a whole different fish...Red Herring...Now All I need to find is a connection.

[Petey]

perhaps everyone is underthinking things. I belive that the three lights ar eimportant because there r going to be 3 teams of 2 in position stations on oposite ends of the field. The banana is just a farytail - ie dave laverys idea of a joke.

This is actually what I was thinking.

The delineation between the "groups" is clear by the line.

Defense bot has the banana.

Keep-away comes to mind, but it's too aggressive for FIRST.

If this hint is in any way relevant to the game, I think that we might see alliances that shift based on some aspect of the game--time or possession. Not a big shift, but some sort of one.

Or, maybe teams will be limited to one half of the field--the half opposite to their alliance station, to make it difficult, and will thus "face off" against each other.

I'm waiting for a more specific game hint though.

[savage301]

Looking at the picture in Tetramans post I thought of this. What if there are 3 - 2 team alliances, one blue, one green and one red, with the field divided in half. One bot in each alliance has to be on each side, but things that happen on one side affects what happens on the other. Just an idea, I can't wait to find out how wrong I am. :D

[Petey]

Oh my god.

My first Lavery hint was four years ago.

:eek:

[Tetraman]

I hope I don't ruin any of Dave's fun, but the Herring thing does have nothing to do with this unless it just so happens.

The picture of him tossing the Red Herring/Red Snapper is located on a website of one of the team members of 116 where she photoshops pics of Dave. Google image it.

I have a feeling the shift in the line via the ripples is actaully a hint. Such as stairs. A game field that is split in half by two levels, seperated in the center by stairs.

[Joel J]

I just got off on a tangent: juggling. I can't help but think that dlavery is juggling the red herring in that picture posted a while back. It kinda makes sense, jello the clown would juggle for the crowd's entertainment, especially at the circus.

[Petey]

The red herring photo is exactly that: a red herring (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Red_herring).

[Eric W. Jones]

The red herring photo is exactly that: a red herring (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Red_herring).

So if the red herring is a red herring, then what's a real hint?

[EricH]

So if the red herring is a red herring, then what's a real hint?
The one the game design committee will hopefully put out within a few days.

[Sgraff_SRHS06]

I'm getting a weird feeling that this is the actual hint. The game hint should be out by now, shouldn't it.

[Koko Ed]

I'm getting a weird feeling that this is the actual hint. The game hint should be out by now, shouldn't it.

So we're using red x's as game elements this year?
Well that's different.

[Ted Boucher]

I'm getting a weird feeling that this is the actual hint. The game hint should be out by now, shouldn't it.

I am pretty sure that the game hint came out on the 23rd last year. Give it a week.

[Tetraman]

I'm getting a weird feeling that this is the actual hint. The game hint should be out by now, shouldn't it.

haha.

Three fish across the line.
Hold the yellow fruit delight,
under the waves; over the light.

[Joel J]

Does anyone notice the period dlavery puts at the end of every one of the posts (pretty much) that he makes to the game clue threads. It started recently, and he doesn't do it in any other thread.

4 newlines and then a period.
4 red herrings.
at least 4 "clues," not one.

4 what!?

[Jonathan Norris]

Does anyone notice the period dlavery puts at the end of every one of the posts (pretty much) that he makes to the game clue threads. It started recently, and he doesn't do it in any other thread.

4 newlines and then a period.
4 red herrings.
at least 4 "clues," not one.

4 what!?

Its not Triple Play! Its Quadruple play! :ahh:

Hum.. what comes in 4s... a square has 4 sides... maybe 4 teams per alliance (i doubt this thou...). Ok I'll stop now, already gone to far with this :p

[efoote868]

very insightful.

I do recall, as many people have already mentioned, that FIRST has started using their own symbols as game pieces... triangle, circle... now we're due for that square. (along those lines i looked at the 2005 kick-off video, and they did say they wanted to use all the shapes of first....)

Maybe another stacking game like stack attack?

[artdutra04]

Does anyone notice the period dlavery puts at the end of every one of the posts (pretty much) that he makes to the game clue threads. It started recently, and he doesn't do it in any other thread.

4 newlines and then a period.
4 red herrings.
at least 4 "clues," not one.

4 what!?Actually, Dave does that a lot for many of his posts over the years. I think it's just for aesthetic reasons, so there would be a white space from the bottom of his post until the start of his signature. (Otherwise new lines at the end of a post without any text on them are deleted.)

Or maybe not. lol ;-)


Someone should make FIRST fortune cookies, because I think I just thought of a good one. ;)


From but a single game hint
a million games do spring
whether they're red herrings or not
they're still better than when Karthik sings (http://www.elfyourself.com/?userid=d74db8164264d446a7013d3G06121816).
:ahh:

[dlavery]

Actually, Dave does that a lot for many of his posts over the years. I think it's just for aesthetic reasons, so there would be a white space from the bottom of his post until the start of his signature. (Otherwise new lines at the end of a post without any text on them are deleted.)

I


think it


is because the return



key on my


keyboard is


broken.




- dave







.

[Tetraman]

It could

Also be the idea that

something will be switched on for

a while than pause to

stop every so often.

[Big_Dale]

It could

Also be the idea that

something will be switched on for

a while than pause to

stop every so often.

Possibly with the lights that they showed us last year in atlanta, they said that they would change colors every so many seconds (i think it was 2 sec.). And if we do use squares (blocks, cubes, PVC pipes assembled into cubes: ;) ) i hope that we will be launching them like we did last year, the shooter games are a lot of fun, although shooting squares would be a bit difficult.

ehh... i guess ill wait another week for the clue.

[dtape]

Has anyone else noticed that dave always signs his posts even though it is clear that they are from him. Maybe there well be specific objectives for each team on an alliance that is specific for what position they are.

[Eric W. Jones]

Has anyone else noticed that dave always signs his posts even though it is clear that they are from him. Maybe there well be specific objectives for each team on an alliance that is specific for what position they are.

I know of several people who do that. It's probalbly just a habit.

[Big_Dale]

Has anyone else noticed that dave always signs his posts even though it is clear that they are from him. Maybe there well be specific objectives for each team on an alliance that is specific for what position they are.

I'd guess that's just a habit, I dont think theres a post he's made that doesn't have his signature.

[dlavery]

I dont think theres a post he's made that doesn't have his signature.

Yes there is.



.

[Billfred]

I've also noticed Dave switching his user title surprisingly much lately in comparison to how he used to. (For the longest of times, it was simply Curmudgeon, or in my really early days on CD Curmudgeon V-Neun.) Somebody care to find the connection between John Lennon, Joe Barbera, and robots?

(I'm absolutely joking here--I have absolutely no interest in hint-chasing this year.)

[JaneYoung]

John Lennon died on December 8, 1980
Joe Barbera died on December 18, 2006
- a tribute perhaps -

[Tetraman]

8
18
What happenes/happened on the 28th?

[BanksKid]

Actually, Dave does that a lot for many of his posts over the years. I think it's just for aesthetic reasons, so there would be a white space from the bottom of his post until the start of his signature. (Otherwise new lines at the end of a post without any text on them are deleted.)

Or maybe not. lol ;-)


Someone should make FIRST fortune cookies, because I think I just thought of a good one. ;)


From but a single game hint
a million games do spring
whether they're red herrings or not
they're still better than when Karthik sings (http://www.elfyourself.com/?userid=d74db8164264d446a7013d3G06121816).
:ahh:







8 and 18 are both multibles of......
no never mind..........

[JaneYoung]

Hopefully not a death of someone that was respected and admired, and perhaps a hero. I don't think everything Mr. Lavery does has to do with game clues even at this time of year. This is a very intense time and everyone is waiting for 'the' clue/hint but perhaps we can respect a small tribute for someone who has passed as being just that. Mr. Barbera was an animator, cartoon artist, producer, and wore many other hats doing wonderful wonderful work. It was his life's work.

.02
Jane
Edit: I didn't include the quote but I was referring to an above post trying to link 8 and 18.

[StephLee]

8
18
What happenes/happened on the 28th?

The *real* clue, of course. It means the real clue is going to be later than usual this year, so he was giving us something else to puzzle over until it comes out.


(I'm entirely kidding, I agree with Jane that it probably has nothing to do with the game.)

[Tetraman]

The *real* clue, of course. It means the real clue is going to be later than usual this year, so he was giving us something else to puzzle over until it comes out.


(I'm entirely kidding, I agree with Jane that it probably has nothing to do with the game.)

Of course.

[Ian Curtis]

What I have to say is actually grounded, so this may not be the best place to say it, but as it seems all the game speculation has ended up in this thread might as well put it here. According to FIRST's website

Robots are built in 6 weeks from a common kit of parts provided by FIRST, and weigh up to 120 lbs. (excluding battery and bumpers)

So, once again robots weigh 120 lbs, we have six weeks, and we have bumpers. Why I'm searching for game hints at 1 in the morning I have no idea. :rolleyes:

[Chief Samwize]

This just came to me last night...
They had tripple play but what about connect four? its a square and utilizes the number four in a sugnificant way

[Tetraman]

This just came to me last night...
They had tripple play but what about connect four? its a square and utilizes the number four in a sugnificant way

oo dang. good idea!