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This regional is shaping up to be one of the toughest in the history of FIRST, with strong teams like any event that has two hall of fame teams, 13 regional victories in 2006 and 3 regional chairmans award winners is going to be one heck of a regional. Here is the teamlist http://www.usfirst.org/frc/map/index.lasso?page=event_teamlist&event=GL
This regional is shaping up to be one of the toughest in the history of FIRST, with strong teams like any event that has two hall of fame teams, 13 regional victories in 2006 and 3 regional chairmans award winners is going to be one heck of a regional. Here is the teamlist http://www.usfirst.org/frc/map/index.lasso?page=event_teamlist&event=GL
I see 254 is listed. Who's the other HOF team?
Jack, I direct your attention to GLR 1999...
Teams: 1, 16, 27, 33, 45, 47, 48, 49, 65, 66, 67, 68, 70, 71, 85, 111, 135, 188, 201, 217, 292, 308, 322
That's just off the top of my head. Also, remember that team numbers in 1999 maxed out in the mid 300's. With the amount of regionals that exist today, we won't see a field this deep ever again, barring some sort of weird scheduling coincidences.
I see 254 is listed. Who's the other HOF team?
67, The HOT team.
Jack, I direct your attention to GLR 1999...
Teams: 1, 16, 27, 33, 45, 47, 48, 49, 65, 66, 67, 68, 70, 71, 85, 111, 135, 188, 201, 217, 292, 308, 322
That's just off the top of my head. Also, remember that team numbers in 1999 maxed out in the mid 300's. With the amount of regionals that exist today, we won't see a field this deep ever again, barring some sort of weird scheduling coincidences.
67, The HOT team.
Ah!
Thank you.
Alex Cormier
12-10-2006, 22:08
Jack, I direct your attention to GLR 1999...
Teams: 1, 16, 27, 33, 45, 47, 48, 49, 65, 66, 67, 68, 70, 71, 85, 111, 135, 188, 201, 217, 292, 308, 322
That's just off the top of my head. Also, remember that team numbers in 1999 maxed out in the mid 300's. With the amount of regionals that exist today, we won't see a field this deep ever again, barring some sort of weird scheduling coincidences.
67, The HOT team.
:yikes: wow, i would actually pay to go see that in a heart beat!
Jack, I direct your attention to GLR 1999...
Teams: 1, 16, 27, 33, 45, 47, 48, 49, 65, 66, 67, 68, 70, 71, 85, 111, 135, 188, 201, 217, 292, 308, 322
That's just off the top of my head. Also, remember that team numbers in 1999 maxed out in the mid 300's. With the amount of regionals that exist today, we won't see a field this deep ever again, barring some sort of weird scheduling coincidences.
Not til the championship anyways (last years Newton was super crazy nasty).
Jeff Waegelin
14-10-2006, 11:40
I firmly believe that Great Lakes is the most competitive regional in the country, year in and year out. Looks like this year's GLR will be another one to remember!
anna~marie
14-10-2006, 11:47
I firmly believe that Great Lakes is the most competitive regional in the country, year in and year out. Looks like this year's GLR will be another one to remember!
Agreed!
(*scared stiff*)
Lil' Lavery
14-10-2006, 13:14
GLR certainly looks to be the top regional so far this year, but there have been several better in the past. I would even dare to say that GTR 2006 was better (65, 217, 229, 296, 522, 610, 1114, 1305, 1503, 1680 etc.).
We're going to have to wait at least until all the teams have registered, and teams have registered for all their events, to decide which is the best this year. Also, UCF looks to be incredibly talented, with 34, 56, 69, 79, 86, 179, 180, 233, 245, 312, 1027, 1251, 1523, and 1902.
Jherbie53
14-10-2006, 13:53
This years GTR the best ever? I don't know. The best one this year? Maybe. We will find out between 1-5pm on march 10th. But lets not forget about West Michigan's Regional. Even though there are still a lot of spots left, I think that WMR is a tough one too. With it being on the last weekend of regionals most people have there robot figured out by then and know exactly what they are going too do or try too do. But there is still a lot of time until we get the game, let alone get to the competitions.
Sgraff_SRHS06
15-10-2006, 20:08
GLR certainly looks to be the top regional so far this year, but there have been several better in the past. I would even dare to say that GTR 2006 was better (65, 217, 229, 296, 522, 610, 1114, 1305, 1503, 1680 etc.).
We're going to have to wait at least until all the teams have registered, and teams have registered for all their events, to decide which is the best this year. Also, UCF looks to be incredibly talented, with 34, 56, 69, 79, 86, 179, 180, 233, 245, 312, 1027, 1251, 1523, and 1902.
That's Murderer's Row---literally! Everyone feared 56 at Chesapeakes last year (but apparently they didn't get much alliance luck) and 1027 had been strong when it attended. (But==who knows what could happen when 2nd-regional registration opens up.)
Let's see, if somebody started a Fantasy FIRST League and somebody managed get at least half of them, it would be easy money.
That's Murderer's Row---literally! Everyone feared 56 at Chesapeakes last year (but apparently they didn't get much alliance luck) and 1027 had been strong when it attended. (But==who knows what could happen when 2nd-regional registration opens up.)
Let's see, if somebody started a Fantasy FIRST League and somebody managed get at least half of them, it would be easy money.
You can't get half of them. You're only allowed three teams- four at the most.
Lil' Lavery
15-10-2006, 22:20
You can't get half of them. You're only allowed three teams- four at the most.
There have been leagues (especially pre-season and the smaller championship leagues) with 6+ teams per player.
JoeXIII'007
16-10-2006, 20:21
I just personally like how one of the greatest regionals in the nation/world is like right at home. :D
Honestly, I cannot wait, but yet I can, for it is my senior year, thus my last year in for this gig. Its going to be a bit emotional in some cases, I'm going to miss it all once it is set and done. Yeah I'll come back during my college years just to watch, but I won't be a part of it though unless I mentor, but I doubt I'll have the time. We'll see...
-Joe
Regrettably, Team 254 will not be competing at the Great Lakes Regional in 2007.
We signed up originally on the condition that the team leadership had to be 100% certain that arrangements would be in place so that the robot would arrive in drayage on time for SVR, the following week. As this cannot be done using standard event to event shipping via FedEx, we would have to pay extra for expedited shipping.
After looking into such shipping, it became clear that the cost of shipping the robot was going to be far too high for it to even make sense for us to do so (over half the cost of a regional event).
As such, we decided we could not be assured the robot would make it to SVR on time, and we weren't willing to chance our robot arriving on Friday, we have dropped GLR. We hope (and plan) to attend a regional in the Midwest next year, so long as the timing works out with SVR.
WEHickok
10-12-2006, 06:36
I am sorry to see that the Cheesy Poofs will not be at GLR.
As a member of the GLR Planning Committee I was looking forward to seeing a team from the west compete here. But as a member of the HOT Team...we have battled many times on opposite sides. I was hoping that just once we could be partners in competition.
We will miss you at GLR. Good luck this season. See you in Atlanta.
Don Wright
10-12-2006, 08:30
Darn! I was really looking forward to seeing 254 at GLR.
[Lot's of sarcasm]I guess there aren't going to be any good teams at GLR anymore.[/Lot's of sarcasm]
See you in the A T L.
ellenchisa
10-12-2006, 15:00
I am also sad to see that 254 won't be attending GLR.
Although GLR definitely has an impressive list this year, I'll always miss GLR from 2003ish. It was particularly impressive when closer to 70, rather than 58 teams attended, and there were more out of state teams, like 111 and 461, that now attend the new regionals closer to their location.
I think GLR's quality shows in the consistency of teams that attend it. Many teams choose to attend year after year, even though there are three regionals in Michigan.
I'll echo Walt's sentiments. As soon as Team 1114 heard the Poofs were signed up for GLR, we were all thoroughly excited. The Poofs are a team that we've come to look up to over the years, but unfortunately we have yet to have the opportunity to play with them.
Maybe in Atlanta...
Sgraff_SRHS06
10-12-2006, 18:01
By that means, 399 shouldn't be heading eastward! :-D (j/k! I don't know how they've managed to pull that off two years in a row, but they have.)
There's a way it still can be done (or at least venture East).
johnnymath360
21-01-2007, 21:51
Jeez, what about 201 guys, I mean, I know I'm plugging for my own team but the record shows it:
1998 "featherweight" in the finals (GLR)
2000 undefeated champions (GLR)
2002 champions (Buckeye)
2002 Einstein DIV. FINALIST (Champ)
2006 10th ranked (GLR)
2006 GALILEO DIV. CHAMPS (Champ)
johnnymath360
21-01-2007, 21:56
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---oh yeah, this is going to be the fiercest competition in quite a few years....can't wait
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Courtneyb1023
23-01-2007, 08:00
I am personally SOOOOOO excited to be apart of this regional. Its always a fun one but this year should be great!
court
65_Xero_Huskie
25-01-2007, 10:22
I cant wait until we get this regional underway, Ive had fun the past 2 years weve been there and im expecting some fierce competition this year. Maybe other teams will have a chance now that the tripletts arnt "ball shooter masters" =)
Pat Fairbank
25-01-2007, 11:52
This year will be my first time attending GLR. I'm excited.
Wigginsgame
25-02-2007, 21:38
GLR is probably my second favourite event (only to Nats =D) and I can't wait!! Especially being a senior.
Competitions always fierce (but not harmful), but hey, it's what we wait for isn't it?
JoeXIII'007
28-02-2007, 14:29
So... approaching a week before the big regional, anyone have any predictions now that some of the robots' pictures have been posted?
I look forward to this year's GLR. Of all the regionals out there, GLR is almost consistently the most competitive. Also, not to offend, but NO TRIPLETS, WOOT!!
Yay for Waterloo regional the greatest little regional ever!!! wooooooott!!
Brad Voracek
04-03-2007, 22:09
By that means, 399 shouldn't be heading eastward! :-D (j/k! I don't know how they've managed to pull that off two years in a row, but they have.)
There's a way it still can be done (or at least venture East).
I don't know how we pulled it off either ;P. Maybe next year we can hit GLR... Who knows.
I look forward to this year's GLR. Of all the regionals out there, GLR is almost consistently the most competitive. Also, not to offend, but NO TRIPLETS, WOOT!!
I don’t want to drag this tooo off-topic, but please. I thought triplet-bashing had died away, but apparently almost a year can’t even make it disappear.
See threads below or just search triplets for much, much more discussion on the topic.
http://www.chiefdelphi.com/forums/showthread.php?p=462015
http://www.chiefdelphi.com/forums/showthread.php?p=487437
Or maybe I was mistaken and you were just happy that there weren’t three teams of that astonishing calibre present at GLR this year, in which case, I beg to differ. Instead, there's the many incredible teams listed above. Somehow, I don't see the difference. 1114 and 1503 will be there again, and are definately in top form, even with different bots. Just imagine, they both let their imaginations run free on seperate robots. It makes me scared for GTR and Waterloo.
On topic again, I wish I was going, another team member and I were thinking of driving down to check it out, but that fell through. I'll definately be watching the webcast, and will be cheering everyone on from up here. The calibre of the teams is astonishing, and I can't wait. Good luck!
I look forward to this year's GLR. Of all the regionals out there, GLR is almost consistently the most competitive. Also, not to offend, but NO TRIPLETS, WOOT!!
:(
I apologize for the triplet bashing. I do not agree with the Triplet Challenge, however my comment was out of place. Please forgive me for my arrogance.
SPurekar
06-03-2007, 22:04
:(
I apologize for the triplet bashing. I do not agree with the Triplet Challenge, however my comment was out of place. Please forgive me for my arrogance.
It's all okay, some of us just take the subject a bit too personally.
On a brighter note, 2 more days until GLR!! I (and 226, of course) can't wait!
Courtneyb1023
08-03-2007, 14:46
I'm at work right now but im dying to know how the practice day is going. Ill be there 1/2 the day tomorrow and all day saturday! im super excited!
BRosser314
08-03-2007, 15:30
I'm at work right now but im dying to know how the practice day is going. Ill be there 1/2 the day tomorrow and all day saturday! im super excited!
IM at work too and the webcast isnt working, BOOOOOOOO, so i am fored to watch Florida since GLR is not working and Pitt doesnt have one. But there are some great scorers at Florida, I believe 179 is Swamp Thing, they can score almost 7-8 each match on the lower spider and deploy there ramp. WOW:D :D :D
IM at work too and the webcast isnt working, BOOOOOOOO, so i am fored to watch Florida since GLR is not working and Pitt doesnt have one. But there are some great scorers at Florida, I believe 179 is Swamp Thing, they can score almost 7-8 each match on the lower spider and deploy there ramp. WOW:D :D :D
Where should I go to find the webcast, if it were working?
Here? (where there's currently no active link for a GLR Webcast) http://robotics.arc.nasa.gov/events/webcasts/regionals_2007.php
BRosser314
08-03-2007, 15:34
Where should I go to find the webcast, if it were working?
Here? (where there's currently no active link for a GLR Webcast) http://robotics.arc.nasa.gov/events/webcasts/regionals_2007.php
Thats where IM going to find the link for the Florida regional, but I think If you want GLR you might want to try there websit for the event tomorrow. The one thru FIRST, Also just try to fish arounf on CD to look for the Wildstang one, since thats who is doing it.:D
GLR disappeared off the Webcast page I linked earlier :eek:
Rich Ross
08-03-2007, 21:50
competition was great today. i didnt see many robots though. Hot was very good, with an amazing grabber. I didnt see their lifts work. Mind you i only saw a few matches though. 33 looked cool, and 1549 has crazy treads.
Tomasz Bania
08-03-2007, 22:23
Today's practice rounds were not as exciting as I thought they would be. I was able to be a human player for 1 of our 3 practice matches, and throwing the ringers onto the rack is hard. During the match, I landed 1 ringer on the lower goal by throwing it over the wall. A few robots that I noticed were 1188's that has an arm and a ramp like last years, Team HOT with there amazing arm, and team their were a few more noticeable robots but do not remember them off the top of my head. I'm pretty sure tommarrow and Saturday will be very challenging and fun!
Good Luck to all the teams at GLR.
Tomasz Bania
Josh Murphy
08-03-2007, 22:26
Today was a good day. There were three robots that stuck out to me and they were 33,67, and 65. There were a few others that were pretty good from what I seen but these were the 3 that stuck out the most to me. good luck to everyone tomorrow.:)
:) i don't know how everyone else feels,but i thought the load in was handled much better this year. hot does have a good arm . some nice ramps out there to.
I hear my team has a good arm :p
But I've only talked to my team. I'm trying to find a way to skip classes tomorrow and go for 2 days instead of one:confused:
Courtneyb1023
09-03-2007, 08:36
Is there a place to find the match list online now that the pits have opened and whatnot?
freestylemotox
09-03-2007, 09:58
So this is the first time in about 5 years team 302 has not attended the Great Lakes Regional. Its killing me to know how the teams are doing. It looks like some insane competition this year with 33, 66, 67, 70, 201 , 279, 469, 494, and some others i cant think of off the top of my head. Please let me know and if you have footage of some matches post a link.
Thanks
Matt
Graham Donaldson
09-03-2007, 10:19
Sorry if it's been asked before, but could someone tell me where I might find a webcast of the GLR? I've looked on NASA and haven't found it (the stream is blocked by my school)- is anyone else webcasting it?
Did 1114 break sometime on friday afternoon? I noticed they scored 0 points in a match (as did their opponents), and that seemed very un-1114ish of them.
Rich Ross
09-03-2007, 19:27
I don't know about the web cast, but i know about the 1114 thing. I can't tell whether they died, or were disabled, but their robot lost mobility in the opponents home zone, thus penalizing them repeatedly. They ended up with 0 points that way.
1114 lost power and our alliance got a 30 pt penalty for being in the opposing teams home zone during the end of the match.
Wigginsgame
09-03-2007, 19:40
I don't know about Friday (wasn't there) but 1114 looked great today. A lot of teams did.
Good luck tomorrow all!!
Lil' Lavery
09-03-2007, 19:41
1114's ground came out of the power distribution block, causing them to become disabled. They then e-stopped. This happened roughly 35 seconds into the match, while they were in the opponents home zone. The 30 points of penalties negated their alliances row of 4, causing a 0-0 tie.
cziggy343
09-03-2007, 19:42
dang! maybe we should think about going to the GLR. that does sound very good. but every year that we have been to the state of florida for a regional, it seems that we run into great teams. and we had great success at KSC before they stopped that regional after 9/11. that was a tough regional, in comparison to the GLR this year.
CardcaptorRLH85
09-03-2007, 20:52
1114's ground came out of the power distribution block, causing them to become disabled. They then e-stopped. This happened roughly 35 seconds into the match, while they were in the opponents home zone. The 30 points of penalties negated their alliances row of 4, causing a 0-0 tie.
Someone should have thought of tossing this one to the Q & A before the regionals. I remember that in years past, if you were in an area that was not allowed and became disabled you stopped receiving penalties. If you can't move then well, you can't move...
Frenchie
09-03-2007, 20:58
Nope, a robot in the home zone in the endgame is a huge penalty for the alliance that has to deploy/climb on a ramp there. Without a penalty for disabled robots, it would be too easy to just ask one defensive bot to just go disable itself in the home zone right before the beginning of the end period.
Of course it is bad luck, and I am sad to hear it happened to 1114, but this rule, for one, is consistent with the emphasis first has put on ramp deployment this year.
Tomasz Bania
09-03-2007, 20:58
No comment Needed...
Match 49 3:31 PM Red: 818,1114, and 280 vs. Blue: 451, 1701, and 57. Final Score Red:256 Blue:0.
A team member has video of the match so I hope to post it soon.
freestylemotox
09-03-2007, 21:00
please do please do :D ....ive been waiting all day for a reply with videos. This is by far my favorite regional and im missing it this year :mad:
Frenchie
09-03-2007, 21:00
not the high score of the season yet, but sounds like you guys are working on it ;)
Francois.
Richard Wallace
09-03-2007, 21:01
Someone should have thought of tossing this one to the Q & A before the regionals. ...They did (http://forums.usfirst.org/showthread.php?t=1532).
I'm curious as to how last years rule read, but Ron Webb said last year that if you cannot make it out of the other teams zone (offense/defense stuff), that you could hit the E-STOP, thus, your robot would not be penalized for being in the wrong zone.
If I remember, I am going to ask him tomorrow about it.
Jimmy Cao
09-03-2007, 21:19
I'm curious as to how last years rule read, but Ron Webb said last year that if you cannot make it out of the other teams zone (offense/defense stuff), that you could hit the E-STOP, thus, your robot would not be penalized for being in the wrong zone.
Last year, only enabled robots counted as being across the line. Therefore a disabled robot is not counted, and their alliance will not need a backbot.
Aidan F. Browne
09-03-2007, 21:22
http://forums.usfirst.org/showthread.php?t=1532
Allison K
09-03-2007, 21:23
Here are the rankings as of the end of the day Friday...
1 - 1114
2 - 1213
3 - 573
4 - 326
5 - 67
6 - 308
7- 494
8 - 1674
9 - 1189
10 - 503
11 - 453
12 - 322
13 - 1503
14 - 226
15 - 1596
16 - 894
17 - 70
18 - 1504
19 - 68
20 - 815
21 - 1023
22 - 1
23 - 279
24 - 818
25 - 903
26 - 201
27 - 65
28 - 1941
29 - 448
30 - 2137
31 - 313
32 - 1286
33 - 240
34 - 469
35 - 1322
36 - 470
37 - 33
38 - 862
39 - 1711
40 - 2163
41 - 280
42 - 830
43 - 1528
44 - 57
45 - 1254
46 - 1015
47 - 548
48 - 440
49 - 1701
50 - 519
51 - 1188
52 - 910
53 - 1549
54 - 835
55 - 451
56 - 1243
57 - 1896
58 - 406
59 - 66
Interesting. NO teams are undefeated, mainly because 1114 was on our alliance during the 0 - 0 tie...
Tomasz Bania
09-03-2007, 21:28
not the high score of the season yet, but sounds like you guys are working on it ;)
Francois.
I didn't say it was the highest of the season, but it was the highest for GLR (by 2-3x). We had a rough last 2 days. Thursday, everything that could go wrong went wrong. Almost every component broke or was wired wrong during practice rounds. We practically rewired our entire robot on practice day (we wired our robot in about 2 hours before ship) so that fixed most of our problems. Today, they snapped our arm so we had to fix that. After lunch, we just started dominating. Still, our arm broke once today in the 256-0 match (which is why we only hung 4) and decided not to risk it and left the last one for our partners. 1114 was great during that match, but I didn't know about their robot failing until I read it here. Anyways, today was fun and challenging. At least our robot finally proved itself. We thank 1114 and 280 for the great alliance.
Tommorrow should be fun. I might paint my hair blue tommorrow, not sure yet, and i'm definately bringing that stressball you gave me last year in Detroit, Frenchie.
Good Luck!
Tomasz Bania
Frenchie
09-03-2007, 21:43
(I might need the stress ball ;) )
It appears many team still need time to tune details (bigger or smaller) on their robots. Team 469 makes no exception to the rule (as many have seen).
1114, 67, 201, 33, Frog Force, Martians and a couple others stood out for being able to get their already great robots operational fairly quickly and take the head of the tournament.
For now, great lakes highlights how crucial speed is for now. I have seldom seen any defensive placement of ringers/spoilers. Matches rather turn into big races where the winner is the one who can put the most ringers on.
Defense is sometimes efficient (815 managed to push 1114 a bit for example), but I did not see it turn the tide of a match.
Ramp has been ignored by most. This is due to ramp bot being too narrow/short/steep or other robots too low to the ground. The abundance of mechanum or omni drive doesn't help: those appear to be weak when it comes to climbing a ramp. There is still hope for those of us that rely on ramps: if defensive placement of ringers occurs, ramp might have more of an impact on score, counterbalancing the time it takes to get an alliance 12" high
Hope y'all understood what I've been trying to explain. One more day!
Francois.
Richard Wallace
09-03-2007, 21:44
Someone should have thought of tossing this one to the Q & A before the regionals. I remember that in years past, if you were in an area that was not allowed and became disabled you stopped receiving penalties. If you can't move then well, you can't move...
They did (http://forums.usfirst.org/showthread.php?t=1532).
http://forums.usfirst.org/showthread.php?t=1532
And as Dave said much earlier (http://www.chiefdelphi.com/forums/showthread.php?postid=321682#post321682):Rules from prior years DO NOT APPLY to this year!
If a robot enters the opponent's Home Zone and then becomes disabled, it would be the responsibility of the disabled robot's alliance partners to push the disabled robot out of the opponent's Home Zone to avoid accruing penalties.
BRosser314
09-03-2007, 21:44
Did 1114 break sometime on friday afternoon? I noticed they scored 0 points in a match (as did their opponents), and that seemed very un-1114ish of them.
I believe it was a penalty problem, yet again
BRosser314
09-03-2007, 21:48
No comment Needed...
Match 49 3:31 PM Red: 818,1114, and 280 vs. Blue: 451, 1701, and 57. Final Score Red:256 Blue:0.
A team member has video of the match so I hope to post it soon.
By far a awesome match, im not sure how many exactly each scored but i know 1114 did alot of work, Great BOt 1114
Richard Wallace
09-03-2007, 21:58
1114's ground came out of the power distribution block, causing them to become disabled. They then e-stopped. This happened roughly 35 seconds into the match, while they were in the opponents home zone. The 30 points of penalties negated their alliances row of 4, causing a 0-0 tie.Lesson for all of us: check frequently to be sure that wires are held tightly in their clamps on that power distribution block.
Even a great robot like 1114 can't score, or even avoid penalties, when it is immobilized by an electrical disconnect.:(
Tomasz Bania
09-03-2007, 22:23
By far a awesome match, im not sure how many exactly each scored but i know 1114 did alot of work, Great BOt 1114
From what I can remember, 818 scored 4 , 1114 scored 4 , and 280 was a great defensive bot. Both 818 and 1114 pulled back after completeing the ring to set up in start positions. I think 280 was still doing defense on the field, probably making the opponents score 0. For the people that think we did this (not mentioned yet, but I think it might come) that this was because of weak opponents, that was completely not true. 1701 for example had a great robot. All 3 of the opposing alliance teams were shoving us around but we still ended up winning. Great match!
Good Luck
Tomasz Bania
Lil' Lavery
09-03-2007, 23:00
Interesting. NO teams are undefeated, mainly because 1114 was on our alliance during the 0 - 0 tie...
Actually, 1114 is undefeated. A tie is not a loss (aka a defeat). They just don't have a perfect record. ;)
Tom Bottiglieri
09-03-2007, 23:03
Any videos/pictures from the event?
yeah video of this would be great. The webcast was unavavlible today so I wasn't able to watch, and a lot of these bots are coming up to waterloo as well. I need an early scouting process lol :p
Actually, 1114 is undefeated. A tie is not a loss (aka a defeat). They just don't have a perfect record. ;)
Understandable. I just more or less meant that I was surprised that a team didnt have a perfect record...usually one or two manage to do so at GLR.
I know the only loss 67 had was with us due to a penalty for throwing a tube during autonomous and the fact that only my team scored because 67 got blocked horribly and other alliance partner was a ramp who didn't move at all.
Jack Jones
10-03-2007, 06:36
Stuff happens! All part of Rack n Roll.
yeah video of this would be great. The webcast was unavavlible today so I wasn't able to watch, and a lot of these bots are coming up to waterloo as well. I need an early scouting process lol :p
They aren't up now, but watch this spot:
http://soap.circuitrunners.com/2007/movies/
I'm fairly sure that the circuitrunners do ALL regionals eventually, but I'm not certain. They've got the directory all ready to go, just no movies in it :(
PandaMan
10-03-2007, 12:52
Does anyone have the alliance list from this regional?
Does anyone have the alliance list from this regional?
1. 1114 - 67 - 57
2. 573 - 503 - 1015
3. 1213 - 322 - 33
4. 308 - 469 - 68
5. 494 - 1023 - 1503
6. 70 - 279 - 1596
7. 818 - 326 - 1
8. 548 - 65 - 1504
This is inferred from the match results, so it may not be entirely accurate. I don't know 3 and 6 because their quarterfinal isn't up yet. I found 1-4 by looking at the qualifying standings, (none of 1-4 picked each other), and got 5-8 by looking at the opponents of 1-4 in the match results, assuming 1vs8, 2vs7, 3vs6, 4vs5.
PandaMan
10-03-2007, 13:46
Thanks. Alliance #1 looks to be really strong. Should be interesting as to how this plays out. (Future Reference (http://www2.usfirst.org/2007comp/events/GL/matchresults.html))
Big props to alliance 8 for putting up the biggest fight of any underdog so far, despite being the 8th alliance.
Edit: In fact, they put up the biggest score of ANY alliance, excluding alliance #1 itself.
Edit: Continuing list from previous page.
1. 1114 - 67 - 57
2. 573 - 503 - 1015
3. 1213 - 322 - 33
4. 308 - 469 - 68
5. 494 - 1023 - 1503
6. 70 - 279 - 1596
7. 818 - 326 - 1
8. 548 - 65 - 1504
Bold indicates an underdog winning. I like it when that happens :)
Round 1 of QFs
1 beats 8
5 beats 4
2 beats 7
3 beats 6
Round 2 of QFs
1 beats 8, eliminating them
5 beats 4, eliminating them
7 beats 2, forcing a 3rd game
6 beats 3, forcing a 3rd game
Round 3 of QFs - 2vs7 and 3vs6 to go
2 beats 7, eliminating them
6 beats 3, eliminating them
So 1, 2, 5, and 6 move on to semifinals
Round 1 of SFs: 1 vs 5 and 2 vs 6
5 beats 1 - Shocker: Alliance with former triplet 1503 beats alliance with 1114 in it. Once the student, now the master? stay tuned.
6 beats 2 - I'm dying to see the video of alliance 6, they seemed to have gotton some really good alliance partners despite picking near-last.
Round 2 of SFs
5 beats 1 - WOW, the former triplet takes out its spawner. I want to see this video too.
2 beats 6, forcing a third game
Round 3 of SFs
2 beats 6, eliminating them and going on to finals against alliance 5
Round 1 of Finals
5 beats 2
PandaMan
10-03-2007, 15:25
Finals: 2 v 5
573 - 503 - 1015 v 494 - 1023 - 1503
2nd seeded alliance of 573 - 503 - 1015 Wins the Great Lakes regional -
Congrats to all - it looked like it was alot of fun.
Match 1 went to 494/1023/1503 score 84-4
Match 2 went to 573/503/1015 score 48-22
Match 3 went to 573/503/1015 score 72-4
On behalf of team 65 I would like to thank team 548 and 1504 for being such great alliance partners. Congratulations to teams 573 503 1015 on your victory. Hope to see you guys soon in Cleveland.
SPurekar
10-03-2007, 19:24
CONGRATULATIONS 503, 573, and 1015 on the win! You guys were really great out there. Kudos to 503 for the Chairman's too!
And thanks to all of the other teams out there for making this such a great regional! 226 truly had a blast!
Silent_Stryker
10-03-2007, 19:37
Great job on the win, guys! It's just too bad that so much stuff went wrong with our alliance's robots right out of the gate.
cfox2008
10-03-2007, 20:29
We were so close...Thanks 1503 and 494.
Congrats 503, 573, 1015.
As part of the winning alliance (503), I would like to take this time to thank our alliance partners (573, 1015) for an awesome alliance! We really did it! :D
Right now I'm waiting on the videos to be uploaded. Hopefully they are soon.
As another on the winning alliance (1015 PiHi Samurai), I extend great thanks to 503 and 573 for the win.
I had much much fun. Felt like I was a high school student again.
We're uncertain at this point whether we'll be at nationals. I probably will be unable to skip my classes for two days, however :( .
Tomasz Bania
10-03-2007, 20:59
On behalf of team 818, I would like to thank teams 1 and 326 for being great alliance partners.
Paul Copioli had a very unique reaction to our misscore for round 2 of the QF. It took at least 10 minutes to sort out but apparrently the one of the referees with with the pda did not realize the spoiler and did not imput it.
Congrats to all the teams at GLR. I hope to see some of you at West Michigan, and Possibly Atlanta, and hopefully next year as well.
Frenchie, I won't forget that stress ball for W.M. (I hope) and good luck to 469. Good job guys.
Tomasz Bania
Beth Sweet
10-03-2007, 21:10
From 1504, thank you sooo much to 548 & 65 for being great alliance partners! We knew you guys were going to come through when we picked you and we almost had them! Hope to see everyone at West Michigan and Atlanta!
Big props to alliance 8 for putting up the biggest fight of any underdog so far, despite being the 8th alliance.
Edit: In fact, they put up the biggest score of ANY alliance, excluding alliance #1 itself.
Thanks. We knew that Alliance #1 was our biggest competition. We we're quite shocked at the outcome of the matches actually. But it just goes to show how a spoiler can dramatically change the outcome of a match. Also, I may be wrong, but I think we had the highest score of 256 points during a eliminations match, although I may be wrong on that one.
I have to say that I think our alliance proved how rank has no real showing. Our team was seeded around 40ish. However, we got selected to be an alliance partner, mainly for our ramps, but we ended up not even using them. I think the key to this game is solid offense performance and critical placement of the spoiler.
Also, I'm interested in the selection of my team. It appeared as if other alliances were hoping to choose us because when 494 chose us (much to our surprise....we had no idea they were interested in our robot) that other alliance captains began to frantically shuffle papers and what not. But maybe it's just my imagination...
Thanks to everyone for their help and congratulations to everyone. GLR was a great regional and I hope Boilermaker can bring on the heat next weekend! Also, maybe we can finally get that regional win and we'll see everyone down in Atlanta this April.
Kevin Sevcik
10-03-2007, 21:16
Thank to 67 and 1114 for the great alliance. We're still sorry we let them down in the semis with our battery difficulties, it would've been a heck of an interesting match if we'd kept it together.
Also huge, huge, huge thanks to 910. They lended us their expert welder on friday to weld together our busted BB trannies so we'd have our awesome ramps actually working so well today. We'd have been completely lost today without them.
Jack Jones
10-03-2007, 22:34
Thanks to 33 and 322 for giving it all they had. No one expected the Bee’s run of bad luck in the quals to follow them into the elims. Not until we picked them, that is. ;)
I prefer to look at it this way:
There were 25 teams who would have preferred to lose in the quarters, than to sit there and watch us lose. Come to think of it, there were a lot of people who would have preferred not to watch something that ugly. :o
Gene Williams
10-03-2007, 22:44
More Martians, Team 70 thanks 1596 for picking us as alliance partners along with 279. All of you did an outstanding job. I thought it would of been really cool if we would of advanced to the finals as this would of put the two Martian teams on opposing alliances. That would of been an absolute blast.:D
Congrats to the winning alliance you guys put on quite a show.
This Regional had some absolutely awesome robots. The designs, concepts, build quality, fit, form and function of these robots just gets better each year. These robots wowed us all. I'm impressed!!!
1596 if you still need team buttons I have tons of them, send me a mailing address.
Thanks to 33 and 322 for giving it all they had. No one expected the Bee’s run of bad luck in the quals to follow them into the elims. Not until we picked them, that is. ;)
I prefer to look at it this way:
There were 25 teams who would have preferred to lose in the quarters, than to sit there and watch us lose. Come to think of it, there were a lot of people who would have preferred not to watch something that ugly. :o
Thanks for picking us.......... It's always a smart move to pick the Bee's they are solid 99.9% of time, they just had some bad luck this weekend that they very rarely have. You guys did a great job on "D". We just missed getting our 4th ring on the last match or that probably would have been enough. That was fun though, I'm looking forward to Western.
Jack Jones
10-03-2007, 23:13
... You guys did a great job on "D". ...
We had our moments; but "D" is all about position, not aggression. They did not execute as we planned. Now I still don’t know if defense is key! :confused:
Sagar Vyas
11-03-2007, 01:01
On behalf of Team 1503, Spartonics, I would like to thank teams 1023 and 494 for being excellent alliance partners.
Congrats to the winning alliance 503, 573, 1015.
I'll be editing and uploading the videos to SOAP108 as soon as possible (Thanks to Joel J. for setting up the co-ordinated video program)
Thanks
JoeXIII'007
11-03-2007, 01:38
Congrats to the winning alliance 503, 573, 1015.
I second that, and I want to personally thank 573 for sharing the fun with us 66 members that were getting excited along with them. Even though this is FIRST, you have to love winning, and especially in a heated competition as this one truly was.
This GLR was a BIG shocker, a BIG shocker... I loved it all, and makes me look forward to Buckeye. Just extremely happy we got the ramps to work once... just once... :D it'll be better down in Cleveland. (knocks on wood)
:cool:
-Joe
Pat Fairbank
11-03-2007, 01:50
I would like to thank team 494 for picking us, and both them and 1023 for being awesome alliance partners. We really regret that we weren't able to fix our arm in time after it got mangled in the second match of the finals...
Congratulations to teams 573, 503 and 1015 - you guys worked together really well as an alliance, and your combined scoring and ramping power was a sight to behold.
Also, I'm interested in the selection of my team. It appeared as if other alliances were hoping to choose us because when 494 chose us (much to our surprise....we had no idea they were interested in our robot) that other alliance captains began to frantically shuffle papers and what not. But maybe it's just my imagination...It's not your imagination - you guys were up there on our list, too. :)
1. 1114 - 67 - 57
2. 573 - 503 - 1015
3. 1213 - 322 - 33
4. 308 - 469 - 68
5. 494 - 1023 - 1503
6. 70 - 279 - 1596
7. 818 - 326 - 1
8. 548 - 65 - 1504
This is inferred from the match results, so it may not be entirely accurate.The FIRST site has a minor inaccuracy - alliance #5 was 494 - 1503 - 1023.
On behalf of team 1596, I would like to thank teams 70 and 279 for being the greatest alliance partners ever. You guys rocked.
Also congrats to the victors. You were amazing, and I'm proud to say that we played against you before you won.
1596 if you still need team buttons I have tons of them, send me a mailing address.
I'll go ask our team on Monday and send a pm if we need some. Thanks.
To team 1 and 818. Thanks for the great alliance.
I believe that team 1 was lifted in the final match. The popped tube was not supporting the robot. It was stuck in the frame and coming out the side.
In the first match I would like to have been able to see if the spooler was hung or not. I did not like Ron’s practice of cutting off tube throughout the whole event before anyone could get a good look at them to dispute the ruling. This was the second time this happened to us. The other time was when we got one on in Auton and the ringer was clearly rocking back and forth on the spider leg. He said it wasn't, but there was nothing that could be done once it was cut off.
I also don't like the rules that aren't in the book that are enforced. I know many other teams are frustrated with this also.
sounds like a great time I wish we were there,:)
could some one post the selection order or correct this one
1114, 67, 57
573, 503, 1015
1213, 322, 33
308, 469, 68
494, 1023, 1503
1519, 70, 279
818, 326, 1
1504, 65, 548
Jack Jones
11-03-2007, 10:02
sounds like a great time I wish we were there,:)
could some one post the selection order or correct this one
1114, 67, 57
573, 503, 1015
1213, 322, 33
308, 469, 68
494, 1023, 1503
1519, 70, 279
818, 326, 1
1504, 65, 548
Third seed was 1213, 33, 322.
Bill_Hancoc
11-03-2007, 12:11
On behalf of team 573 i want to extend a huge thank you to teams 503 and 1015, without you guys we could not have done it. and congratulations to teams 494, 1023, and 1503. you put up a great fight. Good luck you the rest of the year. And team 1023, we hope to see you again at boilermaker, except on our side of the field;)
by the way does anybody have a picture of the semi-final match when both my team and 1015 fell off 503's ramp i would love to have a copy of it.
heh, heh...just noticed this was my 573-rd post
On behalf of team 1015 I would also like to thank teams 573 and 503, this was our most exciting year ever!
I only hope we can scrounge up the money to be able to go to championships, it would be our first year there.
Jack Jones
11-03-2007, 14:08
On behalf of team 1015 I would also like to thank teams 573 and 503, this was our most exciting year ever!
I only hope we can scrounge up the money to be able to go to championships, it would be our first year there.
IMO - with over $6M cash or equivalent on hand, FIRST can afford to award Championship entry free to Regional winners.
Wigginsgame
11-03-2007, 15:44
Like everyone else, congrats to 503, 573 and 1015.
*2007 Shouter of: "We Love Our Froggie Friends"*
Good luck in other regionals/at nationals all!
WEHickok
11-03-2007, 16:23
What an amazing Great Lakes Regional! It truly lived up to its name as an exciting event.
First, from Team 67, thanks to Team 1114 and 57 for making an amazing alliance. This was the only time (and it happened several times, in fact) that I have seen two keepers hung by the same alliance during autonomous. What a rush!
Then congratulations to 503, 573, and 1015 in their victory. What a great job. And especially after the two partners fell off of 503 in the quarter finals.
And Frogs...The double again (did it last year at West Michigan). Winning the competition and the Regional Chairman's. Great Job!!! Clink-Clink. Good luck in Atlanta as a Chairman's challenger.
Again, Great Lakes did not let us down. It was a great event to watch and be part of.
Lisa Perez
11-03-2007, 19:27
Congratulations to 573, 503, and 1015 on the win. (Amazing feeling to see my former team finally get that banner!)
bhaiu116
11-03-2007, 21:44
As a former member and current mentor of 503, I'd also like to extend my thanks to 573 and 1015 for forming an amazing alliance. We had some scary moments, but we pulled through all right :D !
Walking by Team 67 and hearing them call out "We love our Froggy Friends!" brought a HUGE smile to my face :D . As far as we've come these past few years, we still look up to The HOT Team as a shining example of FIRST success.
I would also like to point out that Team 280 TNT is possibly the classiest group of students and mentors I've ever had the pleasure of running into. Every time we've gone down to the field during awards ceremony (all 4 years I've been at Great Lakes), TNT 280 has lined up to give us high fives. You are really a wonderful group.
kramarczyk
11-03-2007, 21:47
1189 had a rough regional and didn't show up on the field until Q45... whoops.
We wouldn't have made it if it was for help from a few other teams. We'd like to send a huge thanks out to:
1114 - for showing us how to flash our controller
65 & JVN - for controller troubleshooting help
65 - for 6WD programmming help
1015 - Wiring help
326 - Wire Covers
1188 - Loan of a programming laptop for troubleshooting ours
469 - Packaging materials
And a big thanks to all the well wishers that were pulling for us. It was an 'exciting' and frustrating event for us, but it was a success thanks to all of you, we are indebted.
ClinchMacGyver
11-03-2007, 23:46
Yes, I would have to say it was the best ever GLR, winning the Championship and the Chairman’ Award.
On behalf of team 503 I would like to thank team 573 for choosing us as there alliance along with team 1015 and congratulate both teams for creating one team to win the championship.
To are opposing alliance in the finals, teams 494, 1503 and 1023 you guys were awesome!
I also would like to thank team 67, because of your gracious professionalism, high stand of excellence and because you’re HOT, we have grown from tadpoles into Frog Force.
Also to all the teams that competed in the GLR you’re all winners in my book!
Chevymann89
11-03-2007, 23:51
On behalf of team 503 FROG FROCE I would personally like to first thanks 573 for picking us into the #2 alliance and 1015. Those memories and new friends that we made will never be forgotten.:) Secondly would I thank all the teams for congratulating us on our GLR Championship win and Chairman's award, I am still amazed that we made it that far, I just drive the robot the same way I drive my truck!:D
I would say that the referring at this event was done very well throughout the entire competition, they made the same calls no matter who was on the field or what match it was. The ruling of a tube supporting the lifting robot or the robot being lifted changed the winner a couple times, but it was always called and once on us,:yikes: then we adjusted.
I would like to thank all the teams that came and participated at events, with out all the teams out there with the passion for FIRST, the GLR event wouldn’t be the same. Making a shout out to the HOT team and the Martians, we love you guys. See you soon Martians (70,494) at the Buckeye event, hopefully this time together as an alliance not against each other.
See you all soon
Rich Ross
12-03-2007, 00:15
The correct picking order for #8 was 1504, 548, 65
To the Robostangs: Thanks for letting us climb you that many times. When we first got that 60 with you in qualifiers, we knew we liked you. Additionally, thanks for the muffins (Contraband! haha). Last but not least, thanks for being accomodating in our road to trying for the wins.
To the Huskies: Amazing scorer. I honestly don't know how you were still around for picking. Thank goodness for the serpentine draft. Our atrategy was excellent, its just so hard to beat a #1 alliance, especially when the top two ringer scoring teams are on that alliance.
Grats to the winners.
Patton, we'll be ready for you to climb us in Atlanta if we're in the same division. I promise.
Team 1596 would also like to thank teams 67 and 818? for giving us victors after we released the magic smoke.
Ken Patton
12-03-2007, 13:03
On behalf of team 65 I would like to say thank you to teams 1504 and 548 for letting us be part of your alliance. We had a great time being underdogs against that awesome #1 alliance.*
It was very cool to be part of an alliance run by a bunch of "college kids." I consider our team to be on the ball strategically (thanks mainly to Lars Kamen's alter ego and some experienced FRC students), but your team called the shots perfectly in my opinion. I wish we (65) could have been a little quicker to get back to the ramp..... :)
We'll definitely look for some 1504 high ground in Atlanta! :)
Thanks,
Ken
*The #1 alliance had incredible tube scoring power, ramp options, and defensive capability. Check out their double-keeper-scoring in the quarterfinal round, and 1114's "go for the back nine" approach during the early part of the matches.
On behalf of Team 1114, we'd like to thank all our alliance partners from throughout the weekend, especially Team 67. Team 1114 has always modelled our program around yours, and it was honour to be paired with you once again.
It was a blast seeing all the amazing teams from the Michigan area. For the past two years, GLR has been our first regional sign up, because we love playing with the great teams from the Midwest. We were glad we could put on a show, even if it ended a few matches earlier than we had hoped.
Congratulations to the entire winning alliance, and especially to Team 503 for pulling off the double, going home with the Regional Championship and Regional Chairman's Award.
Man I have been to several regionals but I don't think I ever had this much fun.
I would like to thank in no paticular order
1503-WOW just WOW we were shocked to pick you guys, but man did we love it. You guys have one amazing machine, and should be a force at championship.
1023-You guys were a great third pick, your scoring made us one strong aliance.
Karthik-We talked several times and you put up with my constant assault of questions the entire weekend. The patience and kindness you showed towards me was truly amazing. Plus you traded me an extra shirt, which I am wearing while I type this.
Alex 469-Thanks for the shirt, it is a great gift. Also thanks for the constant updates you gave me on your robot, hope to see you guys going by Detroit.
Congrats to the winning aliance, 573, 503, 1015. We really need to stop facing 503 they are becoming the Martian Killers :p.
Don Wright
12-03-2007, 15:29
Just a couple of things about GLR from me:
Thanks to all the teams that helped us and gave us encouragement over the weekend. We set the bar very high for ourselves this season and have had some setbacks... But, we aren't giving up and I know of 24 students that are all working hard coming up with creative and innovative ways to improve on things that didn't work well this weekend.
Thanks to the Monsters for picking us... I was proud as a WLW grad to see you guys play so well over the weekend...
I also want to thank the EMU and event planners for doing some small things that really made the event great. Things like the relaxed rules on exiting and entering the building by letting us go in and out the side doors of the stadium. Not making everyone always going to the front or down to the back to enter the building might seem like a small thing, but it really made things better.
I thought the pre-staging of the teams was a little over zealous at times. We were ALWAYS running behind and when we almost missed out last practice match because the practice rounds were running almost an hour ahead of schedule, I was frustrated. I understand that you want to keep things moving, but give us chance... Finishing an hour early doesn't really do anyone much good... And during quals, hearing last call and rushing out of the pits only to get into a line 3 or 4 teams deep didn't seem to make much sense either...
Please don't take these as complaints...just observations... Overall, I felt it was a great event and success...
And to Jack Jones... The great schedule Carnack... You always seem to put things in perfect perspective...
To our friends at 1114...thanks for the fun you guys provided our kids on Thursday night at Laser Tag... They had a blast... It was fun to finally play with you on the field too!!! I know that little piece on our ramp would cause us a problem some time... Hope to be in the same division in Atlanta...
Lil' Lavery
12-03-2007, 15:35
Congrats to the winning aliance, 573, 503, 1015. We really need to stop facing 503 they are becoming the Martian Killers :p.
Frogs > Martians? Whodda thunk it? :rolleyes:
I'm in dire need of some GLR video, can't wait for it to be on SOAP! (not to rush)
Don Wright
12-03-2007, 15:52
And on two other notes...
One of our team members (father of a student) took a fair amount of really good pictures over the weekend and gave me the pictures he took on Friday... There are quite a few and there is heavy Guerrilla content, but there are also some very good ones of other teams and the event...
http://www.freebmw.net/don/GLR2007/
I would also like to publicly congratulate Dan Kimura on winning the Regional Woody Flowers Award. I've know Dan since I joined FIRST and always know he was a great mentor, but until I got the chance these past 2 years to really work with him over an entire season (including the off season with the summer events, OCCRA, etc.) did I realize how good a mentor could be. It has been an honor to work with him...
blaskay16
16-03-2007, 12:26
I believe the the playoff selections at this years competiton was a big popularity contest. There were plenty of very talented robots out there this year but no one was scouting. Im not going to single anyone team out but there were teams who should have never been picked, teams who went out and died. Scouting is a huge part of winning in these competitions. I can say that our team scored at least 5 ringers a round and still had 50-60 seconds to spare in the match to deploy ramps. Scouting is HUGE!!!. I also noticed that the rules were changed in the middle of the tournament and there were inspection discrepencys between inspectors. All in all this was a dissappointing year for the great lakes regional
I also noticed that the rules were changed in the middle of the tournament and there were inspection discrepencys between inspectors.
What rules were changed??
Beth Sweet
16-03-2007, 14:02
I believe the the playoff selections at this years competiton was a big popularity contest. There were plenty of very talented robots out there this year but no one was scouting. Im not going to single anyone team out but there were teams who should have never been picked, teams who went out and died. Scouting is a huge part of winning in these competitions. I can say that our team scored at least 5 ringers a round and still had 50-60 seconds to spare in the match to deploy ramps. Scouting is HUGE!!!. I also noticed that the rules were changed in the middle of the tournament and there were inspection discrepencys between inspectors. All in all this was a dissappointing year for the great lakes regional
Hearing that is surprising to me, according to our scouting database, by the end of the day Friday, your team had:
1st match: 0 ringers scored
2nd match: 1 ringer scored
3rd match: 1 ringer scored
4th match: 4 ringers scored
5th match: 3 ringers scored
6th match: 1 ringer scored
And that was with multiple people scouting your team, so I'm sure it wasn't a personal bias...
Overall, I thought that GLR went off pretty well. My kids had a great time and the other teams were more than generous with spare parts, knowledge and "sharing their lunches". Thanks to all of the teams who made this experience great.
[Edit] Please note: my post was not intended as a personal attack but rather as an example that accusations without foundation are not neccessary on this forum. Bragging and overstating is expected, but attacking other teams without evidence to back up your claims is inappropriate at best.
65_Xero_Huskie
16-03-2007, 20:02
Hearing that is surprising to me, according to our scouting database, by the end of the day Friday, your team had:
1st match: 0 ringers scored
2nd match: 1 ringer scored
3rd match: 1 ringer scored
4th match: 4 ringers scored
5th match: 3 ringers scored
6th match: 1 ringer scored
And that was with multiple people scouting your team, so I'm sure it wasn't a personal bias...
Overall, I thought that GLR went off pretty well. My kids had a great time and the other teams were more than generous with spare parts, knowledge and "sharing their lunches". Thanks to all of the teams who made this experience great.
*COUGH*isnt that kinda mean?*Cough*
LizHorth
16-03-2007, 23:03
As a former member and current mentor of 503, I'd also like to extend my thanks to 573 and 1015 for forming an amazing alliance. We had some scary moments, but we pulled through all right :D !
Walking by Team 67 and hearing them call out "We love our Froggy Friends!" brought a HUGE smile to my face :D . As far as we've come these past few years, we still look up to The HOT Team as a shining example of FIRST success.
I would also like to point out that Team 280 TNT is possibly the classiest group of students and mentors I've ever had the pleasure of running into. Every time we've gone down to the field during awards ceremony (all 4 years I've been at Great Lakes), TNT 280 has lined up to give us high fives. You are really a wonderful group.
"Is that a Frog?!" Wow. Team TnT 280 feels very honored to hear such a lovely compliment! :D One year we were told not to do it. Did we listen? No! We love all FIRST teams too much let them go uncongradulated personally. And we'll continue to give you guys high-fives for outstanding work.
__
On a related note, TnT attends GLR for the reason that we find this one of the toughest regionals in the US. The atmosphere and competition keeps us coming! This year we feel was one of our best years spirited-wise. We may have lost the regional this year, but we had a blast competing! :) Love to all of you!
blaskay16
18-03-2007, 12:11
Hearing that is surprising to me, according to our scouting database, by the end of the day Friday, your team had:
1st match: 0 ringers scored
2nd match: 1 ringer scored
3rd match: 1 ringer scored
4th match: 4 ringers scored
5th match: 3 ringers scored
6th match: 1 ringer scored
And that was with multiple people scouting your team, so I'm sure it wasn't a personal bias...
Overall, I thought that GLR went off pretty well. My kids had a great time and the other teams were more than generous with spare parts, knowledge and "sharing their lunches". Thanks to all of the teams who made this experience great.
[Edit] Please note: my post was not intended as a personal attack but rather as an example that accusations without foundation are not neccessary on this forum. Bragging and overstating is expected, but attacking other teams without evidence to back up your claims is inappropriate at best.
Another classic example of poor scouting. I as the lead driver know for a fact that the last round we scored 4 rings attempting 5. You want proof...ok. That round we were aligned with team 313 and 1528. Both ramp bots. While they were defending we were scoring ringers at a alarming pace. To add insult to injury that round 1528's ramps failed to work with 50 seconds left in the match so i needed to come back and deploy mine. My ramps were deployed and ready to go with 40 seconds remaining. If i never needed to do that i would have had 6 or 7 rings that round. Askany of our alliance partners. Heck even ask people who werent aligned with us. I am apauled at the blatened act of trying and failing to prove me wrong. No doubt the competition was fun just poorly exicuted
Another classic example of poor scouting. I as the lead driver know for a fact that the last round we scored 4 rings attempting 5. You want proof...ok. That round we were aligned with team 313 and 1528. Both ramp bots. While they were defending we were scoring ringers at a alarming pace. To add insult to injury that round 1528's ramps failed to work with 50 seconds left in the match so i needed to come back and deploy mine. My ramps were deployed and ready to go with 40 seconds remaining. If i never needed to do that i would have had 6 or 7 rings that round. Askany of our alliance partners. Heck even ask people who werent aligned with us. I am apauled at the blatened act of trying and failing to prove me wrong. No doubt the competition was fun just poorly exicuted
Here's the data Team 1114 collected on your team from your Friday matches at GLR. Notice it almost exactly agrees with Team 1504's data.
Match 06 - Team 815
Rings Scored: 0
Robots Supported: 0
Robots Climbed: 0
Match 11 - Team 815
Rings Scored: 1
Robots Supported: 0
Robots Climbed: 0
Match 22 - Team 815
Rings Scored: 1
Robots Supported: 0
Robots Climbed: 0
Match 31 - Team 815
Rings Scored: 4
Robots Supported: 0
Robots Climbed: 0
Match 43 - Team 815
Rings Scored: 2
Robots Supported: 0
Robots Climbed: 1 for 30
Match 58 - Team 815
Rings Scored: 1
Robots Supported: 1 for 15
Robots Climbed: 0
Maybe you didn't get chosen for the elimination rounds because teams were unimpressed by your embellishment of your abilities. I know that one of the most important qualities we look for in an alliance partner is a team who is honest and realistic about their abilities. You said you were scoring at least 5 tubes per match. The numbers seem to disagree.
There's nothing worse than a sore loser. I suggest you stop complaining about your loss on CD, before you further damage the reputation of your team.
Kevin Sevcik
18-03-2007, 13:00
I'll ditto Karthik. Your performance all Friday belies your statement, you scored 1 ringer in your first match on Saturday. You did look pretty good in your last match on Saturday, but you weren't being defended and that was THE last match on Saturday. It may seem a bit unfair, but pulling together scouting info on Saturday is a heck of a tough job. Expecting a team to suddenly notice you're incredibly awesome in the final match before alliance pairings is asking a bit much.
I can personally speak to 1114's scouting prowess. 57's robot pretty much completely failed to work all Friday. We were a ramp bot with busted ramps. We fixed them friday afternoon and were solid for all 3 of our matches on Saturday and 1114 picked us as the final alliance pick in the pairings. I'm pretty sure that indicates they were still looking hard at teams on Saturday, since even by the 16th pick there had to be better options out there than the completely useless ramp bot we were on Friday. Truth be told, if we hadn't been selected by any teams, I would've completely understood. Most scouting happens on Friday and we honestly completely inhaled audibly then, so it would've made sense.
MasterChief 573
18-03-2007, 17:56
On behave of Team 573 I'd like to thank teams 503 and 1015 for making this incredible moment a reality, we really appreciate your help more than you could know. For us GLR was an incredible experience and we couldn't ask for a better one. Now I forget who but someone said that the scouting at GLR was bad, I can agree to an extent but I think that's a matter of priority. Our team personally took scouting very seriously and wanted to make sure that we got the best alliance possible, whcih clearly we did. However I did see some bad alliances but overall I thought that it was a good competition.
blaskay16
19-03-2007, 12:03
Well i can clearly see that everyone has taken this the wrong wasy so i want to apologize to anybody i have offended. I was mearly pointing out a few problems i saw at this years competition. As usual the competiton was competitive and fun. The real gripe i had was about the inspections and everyone looked over that and saw what i started with, the selection. I apologize.
d.courtney
19-03-2007, 15:29
Sure I may just be a guy looking from the outside in, with never having attended the event, but after watching allot of matches on SOAP, I agree with most alliance decisions. Yes changing rules part way through may not be fair, or not being picked because you had terrible luck with this years random selection may not seem fair either but life is not fair, FIRST is not fair, if you didn't "make the cut" this year that by no means belittles the successfulness of your team, the truth is we are all winners, for even living through the 6 weeks and having something to show for it. FIRST is not about the competition, it is just the method they use to attract people to its goal, to inspire the youth of our world in Science and Technology. Yes we all want to win, but most of us also have a bias that our robot is better then it really is due to the emotional attachment we have to it, but sometimes we need to stand and look from the outside in and look at it as if another team were looking at our team.
Two years ago at GTR was the first time our team didn't go on to the qualifying matches, and I at the time felt we deserved to be on a team, by the end of that event we actually started scoring, and even in autonomous. But looking back one can see that we simply weren't consistent enough. In fact it could have been only the last three matches we did well in.
Also inflating your results is a terrible thing as Karthik has noted, sure sometimes scouters come around very early in the game asking how many you do, and if you don’t know how many you can score tell them that just that, or predict (conservatively), teams will notice the difference in what you said and what your getting, and getting more then what you said is always better then getting less. For instance I feel our team is capable of 5 tubes a match, but at the moment I don’t know how our robot will do under defence (we compete this week). And that’s just what I will tell them, but if we have a few practise matches under our belt I will tell them the average.
The point is teams will scout they way they want, Karthik noted that he would rather have an honest team, and some might look for a certain characteristic (ie they wanted defence not scoring on the rack)... and you can't object to a team scouting the way they want, they got to the place they did and deserve the right to scout the way they want without being critisised.
brettissocool
19-03-2007, 20:35
Well i can clearly see that everyone has taken this the wrong wasy so i want to apologize to anybody i have offended. I was mearly pointing out a few problems i saw at this years competition. As usual the competiton was competitive and fun. The real gripe i had was about the inspections and everyone looked over that and saw what i started with, the selection. I apologize.
WAHHHHHH JEREMY I SUPPORT YOU ONE HUNDRED PERCENT ( AS THE HOPEFULLY NEW PRESIDENT) YOU ROCK, TEAM 815 ROCKS, AND ALL OTHER ROBOTICS PEOPLE ROCK
I LOVE ROBOTICS PEOPLE ( NOT IN AN ODD WAY!!!!)
ROBOTICS RULES!!!!
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Greg Marra
20-03-2007, 15:33
All of the Great Lakes Regional is available for online viewing on The Blue Alliance Match Archive System (http://www.thebluealliance.net/tbatv/matchlist.php?eventid=15) thanks to SOAP.
That's 98 videos. Wow.
SPurekar
20-03-2007, 16:05
Thanks Greg! That must take a lot of work...
This regional is shaping up to be one of the toughest in the history of FIRST, with strong teams like any event that has two hall of fame teams, 13 regional victories in 2006 and 3 regional chairmans award winners is going to be one heck of a regional. Here is the teamlist http://www.usfirst.org/frc/map/index.lasso?page=event_teamlist&event=GL
Well, Jack hit the nail on the head. When you look back on the 2007 Great Lakes Regional from a historical context, you'll see that something very special happened. Take a look at the elimination alliances.
1. 1114 - 67 - 57
2. 573 - 503 - 1015
3. 1213 - 33 - 322
4. 308 - 469 - 68
5. 494 - 1503 - 1023
6. 1596 - 70 - 279
7. 818 - 326 - 1
8. 1504 - 548 - 65
Teams marked in red are former World Champions. Teams marked in blue are former World Finalists. That's right, seven of the eight alliances had a former World Champion on board. That's simply amazing. I'd be curious to see if this has ever been matched, or even topped. My guess is that it would have to be at an event like IRI, GLR or West Michigan.
Teams marked in red are former World Champions. Teams marked in blue are former World Finalists. That's right, seven of the eight alliances had a former World Champion on board. That's simply amazing. I'd be curious to see if this has ever been matched, or even topped. My guess is that it would have to be at an event like IRI, GLR or West Michigan.
Well I think it happen at IRI 2006, I don't have the alliances in front of me but IIRC, 7 of the 8 had a champion in them
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