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Dakota Snow

25-11-2006, 16:20

It has been a while since I have loged. kick off season is not to far away has anyone heard of what this years game is going to be like. :confused:

Joe Matt

25-11-2006, 16:21

It has been a while since I have loged. kick off season is not to far away has anyone heard of what this years game is going to be like. :confused:

clowns, bannanas, water, and fish.

Dakota Snow

25-11-2006, 16:22

clowns, bannanas, water, and fish.

what?

Rohith Surampudi

25-11-2006, 16:32

what?

they make as little sense to us as they do to you, :p

StephLee

25-11-2006, 17:16

they make as little sense to us as they do to you, :p

Yes, but at least we know where they came from.

Beth Sweet

25-11-2006, 17:18

This thread (http://www.chiefdelphi.com/forums/showthread.php?t=41024&highlight=2007+game) may help to clarify what the others have spoken of

65_Xero_Huskie

25-11-2006, 18:56

Theres going to be a Red vs. Blue battle like Halo 2.

I wish.

Éowyn

25-11-2006, 22:37

Michelle Celio

25-11-2006, 22:40

You know, I'm kind of curious as to that "game hint". Is it really the hint for the 2007 game, or not? If not, when is the real game hint coming out? I know in the past the hint has been a riddle, so I don't think that this is the real hint. Anyone know?

Don't listen to Joe. He's just having fun.

There will be a special thread just for next years game hint.

I give it about a week after money is due.

(why I deleted my last post, instead of editing, I will never know)

Donut

25-11-2006, 23:19

Last year it came out the 23 of December, so don't expect it for a few weeks still.

I think the GDC realises how much we obsess over these, and releases the game hint later so we only lose 2 weeks of sleep as opposed to a whole month.

Michael Hill

25-11-2006, 23:22

I imagine it will involve robots.

Mike Schroeder

26-11-2006, 00:02

It has been a while since I have loged. kick off season is not to far away has anyone heard of what this years game is going to be like. :confused:

Well, I just got back from "breaking into" FIRST HQ. The game looks pretty cool, gotta love the electrified field border, watch out for defense, the pneumatic cannon that launches bananas all over the field, which isn't underwater like most think but, reminiscent of 1992,the field is coated with red blue and white rubber fish, thus making stopping really interesting. the scoring objects are quite interesting, who would have thought, nuts and bolts could be so much fun.... especially when they fall underneath the rubber fishes....

i think 2007 will be the best year yet

remember kids, never listen to Big Mike when he is bored

Schnabel

26-11-2006, 07:48

Well, I just got back from "breaking into" FIRST HQ. The game looks pretty cool, gotta love the electrified field border, watch out for defense, the pneumatic cannon that launches bananas all over the field, which isn't underwater like most think but, reminiscent of 1992,the field is coated with red blue and white rubber fish, thus making stopping really interesting. the scoring objects are quite interesting, who would have thought, nuts and bolts could be so much fun.... especially when they fall underneath the rubber fishes....

i think 2007 will be the best year yet

(Ignoring the last line) Wow! I knew it, we are going to have a 1970's themed underwater battle for peace at the disco!

Imprudent

26-11-2006, 10:16

From a programming aspect, I believe I have heard that this will be the most tedious year yet. As well, the robot will be required to distinguish between three colours of lights, instead of one. Again, this is just what I have heard. .don't listen to me for sure. My guess is as good as anyones

taylort

26-11-2006, 11:03

I imagine it will involve robots.
There goes our team's entire strategy!!:ahh: (;))
Well...at least most of it.;)
I can't imagine how confused this person must be...so I'm giving this person another link to another discussion about the rules...here it is! (http://www.chiefdelphi.com/forums/showthread.php?t=49188)
And I second anyone who said that their guess is as good as anyone's.
And we do mean anyone's.:p

Barry Bonzack

26-11-2006, 12:05

We have to program the robots for proper dinner table etiquette.

EricH

27-11-2006, 00:28

Well, I just got back from "breaking into" FIRST HQ. The game looks pretty cool, gotta love the electrified field border, watch out for defense, the pneumatic cannon that launches bananas all over the field, which isn't underwater like most think but, reminiscent of 1992,the field is coated with red blue and white rubber fish, thus making stopping really interesting. the scoring objects are quite interesting, who would have thought, nuts and bolts could be so much fun.... especially when they fall underneath the rubber fishes....

i think 2007 will be the best year yet

I think that the mailboxes (http://www.chiefdelphi.com/forums/showthread.php?t=41123&highlight=mailboxes) seen last winter will be used...

Acutally, I highly doubt some of those things will be used. Water in, say, a Victor or RC is not going to be good.

65_Xero_Huskie

27-11-2006, 08:49

We have to program the robots for proper dinner table etiquette.

I sure hope not, then the robot would have a program that half of our team has no idea about :yikes:

Im thinking water goggles :)

Taylor

27-11-2006, 08:53

Don't forget the Jello.

Lil' Lavery

27-11-2006, 10:20

I heard you had to chase a clown around a pool and give him a banana, but I may be wrong. ;)

JaneYoung

27-11-2006, 10:22

and as you can see,
all rumor threads lead to silly, loads of silly

Eric W. Jones

27-11-2006, 10:25

maybe the human players will have to dress up in clown suits... :rolleyes:

Jeremiah H

27-11-2006, 10:53

Well, I just got back from "breaking into" FIRST HQ...who would have thought, nuts and bolts could be so much fun.... especially when they fall underneath the rubber fishes....

i think 2007 will be the best year yet
Time to start building that DC electromagnet :D

(I can only imagine how much fun the GDC gets from these discussions. Should we send them a copy?)

StephLee

27-11-2006, 11:20

Time to start building that DC electromagnet :D

(I can only imagine how much fun the GDC gets from these discussions. Should we send them a copy?)

I'm sure they check it. We know Dave does, so I'm sure he passes all this craziness on to the rest of them.

Josh Goodman

27-11-2006, 17:22

I heard we may not be using robots...... :p

Jimmy Cao

27-11-2006, 18:19

I heard we may not be using robots...... :p

that could turn out to be a small problem for most teams... hm....

my guess is that the water will not actually be part of the playing field, because it would be too dangerous for those $1000 controllers and $200 victors. Maybe they will just surround the field, so that the drivers have a terribly hard time seeing what's going on.

Just my 2 cents

Viper37

28-11-2006, 18:01

I heard we may not be using robots...... :p
So much for First Robotics then..

Joel J

28-11-2006, 18:59

All this water talk..

For all those who like to think about a water based game:

I remember reading somewhere that in 1993 FIRST used water filled balls as a game piece. True?

If the GDC really wanted to, then they would probably be able to find a reasonable way to use water.

Whatever this game is, I hope its BIG. By that I mean: not simple (like 2005 and 2006), not complex (2003 was simple, but stacking boxes was not), not overly flashy (I have yet to see this, 2004 was pretty good, visually), not plain (2001 and 2002), but elegant, and engaging enough for the audience to say, "I don't even care that I can't keep score, this is so exciting." Of course, I think everyone has that wish.

I missed the boat on game suggestion this year.. whatever.

IMO:

2004 was the best year for HPs (they were responsible for a good chunk of the scoring).
2006 was one of the better years for programmers (autonomous mattered, camera alignment with the goal).
The coaches and drivers have been pretty busy in the last few years, so they are probably all set (2005 and 2001 were both better than average for coaches, and arguably 2006, 2000, and, heh, 2003, were the best games for drivers).

So I'm hoping for a game in which the human player does 50% of the direct scoring, the results of autonomous have a weighty impact on the proceedings of the game, the coaches have to be "on their game," to know how to best direct the drivers and human players to score, and the drivers have an interesting time getting objects to score with, or getting the human players time to score. Like, the opponents could have some significant incentive to block another alliance's robot from scoring, or being able to score, but also have a good incentive to try to score themselves. That way, instead of having defensive and offensive periods, you have only one period, and competing teams naturally align themselves for defense or offense. I'm also hoping for a shared end-zone (like 2003), that robots have to fight over. Make it like musical chairs: you have six robots on the field, but only enough space for 4 or 5 robots. With many things mashed together to have all members of a field crew occupied, point distributions become key, eh? Like, the points awarded for completion of each game task would have to be weighted optimally across the board, to prevent teams from becoming overly biased to one strategy over another. For example (this is kinda weak), 1pt scoring was almost a moot point last year. Other than perhaps 322 and a few others, most one point scorers only survived if they were good at defense. In 2004, hanging could win you the match. If a hanging robot was worth 25 points, instead of 50, things may have been a bit more interesting (just speculating).

I dunno. I think this post got so off-topic, that it probably should be moved to another thread. eh..

Starke

28-11-2006, 19:22

With all of this talk about water, the only statement that makes sense to me is Rees's post in this (http://www.chiefdelphi.com/forums/showthread.php?t=49188) thread with this (http://www.chiefdelphi.com/forums/showpost.php?p=534703&postcount=48) remark. Anyone else see what I see? *cough* a game piece *cough* :yikes:

Eric W. Jones

29-11-2006, 10:43

that's too easy...

have you noticed that many of the game pieces are based on shapes in the first logo (square, triangle, circle)? The life preserver would keep with this trend.

ewankoff

29-11-2006, 11:11

that's too easy...

have you noticed that many of the game pieces are based on shapes in the first logo (square, triangle, circle)? The life preserver would keep with this trend.

if were going by the logo we're due for a square ;)

JamesBrown

29-11-2006, 14:17

that's too easy...

have you noticed that many of the game pieces are based on shapes in the first logo (square, triangle, circle)? The life preserver would keep with this trend.

This has been pointed out quite a few times before, however keep in mind that the shapes in the logo are pretty much the most basic shapes that exist. Almost any game piece can be viewed as one of these shapes or a combination of them. So while your statement is valid it really doesn't narrow the choices of a game piece down. Besides the fact that there are rumors that the logo next year will be a Fish (http://www.chiefdelphi.com/forums/showthread.php?t=41024&highlight=clown) a banana (http://www.chiefdelphi.com/forums/showthread.php?t=50045&highlight=banana) and a mailbox (http://www.chiefdelphi.com/forums/showthread.php?t=41123&highlight=mailboxes)

Peter Matteson

29-11-2006, 15:25

I've said it before and I'll say it again, the game object will be a "Moebius Strip". :rolleyes:

Chief Samwize

29-11-2006, 19:30

Mike said Rubber Fishes on the floor, right?
I say its time for the giant fan idea to make its comback this year... I always wanted to see fish fly. :D "sushi express"

Ian Curtis

29-11-2006, 22:05

I remember reading somewhere that in 1993 FIRST used water filled balls as a game piece. True?

It is. There were 6" balls filled with water worth 1 point a piece, and 13" balls worth 5 points a piece. Each team had it's own PVC goal corral. The 6" balls could be rolled in but the 13" balls were requiring to be lifted in. It's also worth noting that robots were smaller back then, with maximum dimensions of a 3 foot cube (which is very difficult to fit through a regulation size door :D ).

I looked this stuff up on first-a-holics after I wrote this post and found it all to be correct (I wasn't even 2 when this game was played)... :o

Remember guys, in order to figure out the game, look at what Grady said three years prior. (http://www.chiefdelphi.com/forums/showthread.php?t=15535&highlight=poof)

JamesBrown

29-11-2006, 22:48

EricH

29-11-2006, 22:59

Alright, I looked at the thread Ian posted (I am pretty sure I had seen it before) but between this post (http://www.chiefdelphi.com/forums/showpost.php?p=109923&postcount=20) and this one (http://www.chiefdelphi.com/forums/showpost.php?p=109933&postcount=22) they basically created aim high

So my call for 2009 is that the game is coming straight from here (http://www.chiefdelphi.com/forums/showthread.php?t=41123&highlight=mailboxes)Dunno. Last year's game also came from here (http://www.chiefdelphi.com/forums/showthread.php?t=38139). (Billfred's post) I'd guess that the mailboxes are a red herring and we will see something from the Game Design threads for 2007. Then again, who knows?

On a side note, what hints has Lavery posted lately? Remember, they could be anywhere-- and two of last year's implied that Billfred was on the design committee.

sanddrag

29-11-2006, 23:31

pi/2

That's all I have to say. ;)

Jak DiGriz

01-12-2006, 00:55

Dave Lavery was seen at purchasing a bag of chips at the market yesterday. There is a high probability that the 2007 game will involve grabbing, much as a person grabs the potato chips out of a bag. Also, the chips were priced at 2.50 per bag (he bought two bags), which suggests that there will be five people on the field with one team alternating between teams, like a freelancer. Lavery also used paper, not plastic, to bag his chips. Paper is manufactured from trees. Trees come from the forest, and forests get their water from rivers and rain. Will the 2007 competition involve water?

65_Xero_Huskie

01-12-2006, 08:52

I heard we may not be using robots...... :p

Wait..
I dont think i could handle a fisher price motor, i might blow a fuse. :ahh:

fastabetta

01-12-2006, 17:39

Here's another hint.....
http://team195.com/members/files/FundraisingBook/6A-2006Robot.pdf

EStokely

02-12-2006, 02:00

OK I was in NH a few weeks ago. I looked in the back.
You can quote me here.
I saw a LOT of cardboard boxes. Why did they need so many? Game pieces.

Pressure from FedEx has a game based on the boxing of items on the field for shipment. Items like...fish...bananas...water bottles....pictures....

see it all fits if you wait late enough at night and then anything makes sense

raymaniac

07-12-2006, 17:26

Items like...fish...bananas...water bottles....pictures....

...other team's robots...

ydnar90

07-12-2006, 21:09

65_Xero_Huskie

08-12-2006, 06:30

Alex Burman

08-12-2006, 17:51

There was a serious game clue posted by Dave that many people did not notice, and i thank Ken for noticing it for us. If you havnt found it it was a post from November of last year. I don't want to make it so obvious, so i hope you guys can hop over to the post and find it.

Are you referring to this?
Curling anyone? (http://www.chiefdelphi.com/forums/showpost.php?p=418981&postcount=201)

Dave's posts from november last year (http://www.chiefdelphi.com/forums/search.php?searchid=452789&pp=25&page=17)

EricH

08-12-2006, 19:10

Are you referring to this?
Curling anyone? (http://www.chiefdelphi.com/forums/showpost.php?p=418981&postcount=201)

Dave's posts from november last year (http://www.chiefdelphi.com/forums/search.php?searchid=452789&pp=25&page=17)He might be referring to the underwater robot. I'd say that both of those are red herrings. I'll wait for the official clue, then try to figure it out from there.

raymaniac

08-12-2006, 20:33

I'll wait for the official clue, then try to figure it out from there.
When is the official clue supposed to come?

Noah Kleinberg

08-12-2006, 23:55

When is the official clue supposed to come?

I think that it normally comes about a week before kickoff, but I could be wrong...

EricH

09-12-2006, 01:25

When is the official clue supposed to come?Varies. Usually 1-2 weeks before kickoff. After Christmas, check for it every day if you have time.

raymaniac

09-12-2006, 18:56

I think that it normally comes about a week before kickoff, but I could be wrong...

Varies. Usually 1-2 weeks before kickoff. After Christmas, check for it every day if you have time.

Thanks.

Yay for multi-quote!

Chief Samwize

09-12-2006, 19:19

sence Xero wouldn't come strait out and tell us I went through some old forums and found that someone posted "the shamrock flies at midnight", which I interprit as the field bieng dark possibly with the green light being a source of light (but it would be pretty hard to do that especsally at the Georgia Dome). Also I saw something about "false starts" possibly meaning that there will be times the robots can and can not drive. (or i could be completly off and we could end up with the brightest lit, non stoping game in FIRST history. I can only dream until January I guess...:rolleyes:

raymaniac

09-12-2006, 21:19

I can only dream until January I guess...:rolleyes:

Same with the rest of us.

65_Xero_Huskie

09-12-2006, 21:37

Im sorry i havnt posted, i have been working

heres what im referring to

"Ahh, Grasshopper. What is it that is "buggin' you"? Is it that while you are fishing for clues, you are lured in? You must learn to glide across the diversions and false starts like a strider crossing a still pond.

-dave"

Good luck with that one :)

Alex Burman

09-12-2006, 22:51

I see that as saying Water = no and slippery surfaces = yes

But i pose to everyone this. How often has Dave ever dropped a real hint for previous years games. I'm thinking that he has never given out a real hint and is just trying to mess with us.

Imajie

09-12-2006, 22:52

Shhh! Don't give his secret away;)

raymaniac

09-12-2006, 22:56

But i pose to everyone this. How often has Dave ever dropped a real hint for previous years games. I'm thinking that he has never given out a real hint and is just trying to mess with us.

Shhh! Don't give his secret away;)

I would say that we should take the opposite of everything he has told us about the game this year, but I don't think he would make it that easy for us :D

Eric W. Jones

13-12-2006, 10:24

I would say that we should take the opposite of everything he has told us about the game this year, but I don't think he would make it that easy for us :D

Shhh! Don't give his secret away;)

I see that as saying Water = no and slippery surfaces = yes

But i pose to everyone this. How often has Dave ever dropped a real hint for previous years games. I'm thinking that he has never given out a real hint and is just trying to mess with us.

Even if all his "hints" are red herrings and have nothing to do with this year's game, it's still fun to speculate. Besides, I'm sure Mr. Lavery needs a good laugh every once in a while.

rurouni_MOE

13-12-2006, 12:16

I was told "think frisbees" :eek: :ahh:

Arkorobotics

13-12-2006, 22:19

I am going to attempt more confusion...

What about some fun names for the game (i.e. - Triple Play, Aim High):

Criss Cross AppleSauce

Schodinger's Cat

Newtons Cradle

Everest's Hike

Spring Madness!

c-cavender

14-12-2006, 20:38

I would say that we should take the opposite of everything he has told us about the game this year, but I don't think he would make it that easy for us :D

maybe he's just hoping that we'll think that. :confused:

Kyle Love

14-12-2006, 20:45

How long until we get another moving turn table or something like that, or something realllllllly big on the field? I also hope we go back to 2vs2 with a back up 3rd bot. Bumpers are a must, lol. I also want to see multiple scoring objects.:cool:

b-rant

14-12-2006, 20:58

I was told "think frisbees" :eek: :ahh:

what about boomerangs?

EricH

14-12-2006, 22:00

Besides, I'm sure Mr. Lavery needs a good laugh every once in a while.I'm not sure that all of December and most of the rest of the fall every year counts as once in a while....Not counting the pranks at kickoff and competitions in the spring, of course.

Mike Schroeder

14-12-2006, 22:11

Now I know what you are thinking 2 meters, thats impossible even for a computer, but fear not Wedge Antilles, I used to shoot wamp rats in my T-16 (http://www.starwars.com/databank/vehicle/t16skyhopper/) back home and they are not much bigger than 2 meters.

why i am saying this, well all i have to say is look at this :

http://photojournal.jpl.nasa.gov/catalog/PIA08278

and tell me that Dave hasn't left us all a huge game hint on the NASA webpage

Eric W. Jones

15-12-2006, 09:48

Does this mean the targets, whatever they are, are going to be very small this year?

Scott358

16-12-2006, 20:58

i heard from a very reliable source that the 'rubber fish' are actually chickens, because everyone knows that rubber fish aren't very awesome, whereas rubber chickens are sweet. the statement about nuts and bolts actually means that we can't use nuts and bolts to fasten anything to the robot, and that the entire frame must be held together using ONLY zip-ties and duct tape (what can't u hold together w/ those things?). Nuts and bolt-heads are 6 sided, so there will be 6 robots, 3 teams of 2 just to make things more interesting for those not playing. Nuts and bolts are threaded, so there will be a platform in the center of the field which may only be ascended by the sets of curving ramps (like the threaded portion of a bolt) The final portion of my intel is a secret, the price being your life....you have been warned
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The chickens are the secret portion of this game, you must collect as many of the live chickens as possible. You get extra points if your robot can hit another robot with one of the rubber chickens that is lying around specifically for that purpose.

I think the chances of the game involving catching live chickens is as likely as another Rocky movie. Since one is coming out, here goes...

This year we'll need to collect live chickens that have been painted 3 different colors (red, white, and, blue). There will be 20 red, 10 white, and 1 blue chicken, worth 5, 10, and 50 points respectively. Catching a chicken in auto mode is worth 2x (making the blue chicken in auto worth 100pts!!!!). In order to score, the chickens must be placed in a coral at the home end of the field.

The following isn't confirmed, but I've heard you may be able to steal chickens from the other team, but that's just a rumor.

They didn't forget the human element, as after the robots play for 2 minutes, the human players take over and play the same game for 1 minute.

I can't wait for the game, or to see Sly Stallone at the kick-off!!!

Eric W. Jones

17-12-2006, 12:59

How on earth are they going to take care of live chickens? Clean up after them? Make sure that they aren't squished by a 120 lb robot? I just don't think that a "chicken" game is logistically possible, at least with live ones. ydnar90, who is your "very reliable" source? I just can't see live chickens in a FIRST competition.

raymaniac

17-12-2006, 20:15

ydnar90, who is your "very reliable" source? I just can't see live chickens in a FIRST competition.

I think we now have another person trying to mess with our heads.

As for hitting robots with rubber chickens, unlikely, but it would be fun to watch.

sheltie234

17-12-2006, 20:29

Does this mean the targets, whatever they are, are going to be very small this year?

donuts!

raymaniac

17-12-2006, 20:34

Does this mean the targets, whatever they are, are going to be very small this year?donuts!

We'll have to keep Dave in a seperate room. With very thick walls :D

Eric W. Jones

17-12-2006, 20:38

We'll have to keep Dave in a seperate room. With very thick walls :D

We just can't use Krispy Kremes.

raymaniac

17-12-2006, 20:40

We just can't use Krispy Kremes.

Or at least make him think they're not Krispy Kremes.

Eric W. Jones

17-12-2006, 20:44

Or at least make him think they're not Krispy Kremes.

We can't trick him. He just knows that sort of thing. :D

raymaniac

17-12-2006, 20:47

We can't trick him. He just knows that sort of thing. :D

In that case...

Off to Dunkin Doughnuts!