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Hey, as far as I'm aware regionals each have a drop where teams can plug-in VCRs or cameras or computers to record video. That is, whether or not a regional is webcast, the footage from that competition can still be saved and put onto SOAP108's website, or somewhere similar. What I'm wondering, and I guess I'll bump this in a few months, when it actually starts to matter, is if there could be a coordinated effort here, to ensure that every single regional has video footage put up on SOAP, for scouting purposes?
The idea:
- You volunteer to record a regionals feed.
- You bring a VCR, a camera, or a computer, and plug it into the production company's drop..
- At the end of the competitions, you send the video tape, or a CD, or something like that, to a group of people willing to go through and seperate the long stream into individual matches.
- The individual matches get posted for everyone to watch (on SOAP?)
I also wouldn't mind having the regional scoring system database put online, for scouts to be able to look at the match data (get original scores before penalties, etc..), but that's for a different thread, and is reliant upon a solid enough scoring system weeks 1-5.
Just planting the idea at this point.
Who would be interested in plugging into FIRST's video drop and recording the official feed? Who would be willing to parse each video to have individual matches ready for upload? What are some ideas as to how these two processes can be made as efficient as possible (that is, as easy as possible)?
Hey,
I see votes, awesome!
If you are interested, then can you please reply to the thread stating what competitions you are interested in recording..
I'm definately doing FLR's video recording and if we go to Buckeye (we're pending) I'll record that one too.
Unfortunately our video computer blew up so I may not be able to immediately download it (that's why I haven't downloaded the Rah Cha Cha Ruckus Pieings).
Rob2713g
10-12-2006, 15:28
I'd be interested for the VCU Regional - I'll ask my team.
Someone may be able to write a program to parse the video into matches. For example, based on the beginning buzzer, a certain screen, or something else. Not sure exactly how to do it, but I'm sure there are a bunch of really good programming people in FIRST who could figure it out.
I'll ask the programmers on my team on Monday about parsing.
Tom Bottiglieri
10-12-2006, 15:49
This might be a large project to undertake, but couldn't this all be done in software?
1 - Direct feed from capture card/FireWire/USB Camera
2 - Figuring out when matches start and end (Operator to say when matches start and end, and/or direct input from FIRST field control system, and/or sound recognition to signal match start and end, and/or ripping match status from radio signals.)
3 - Apply buffer to start and end to ensure whole match is captured
4 - Save video file to hard drive
5 - Encode to WMV/Xvid/Divx/h.264
Jonathan Norris
10-12-2006, 16:08
I would totally be willing to record matches from any of the three regionals I am going to, BAE, Waterloo, or GTR. I would need some help figuring out what output they will give me, and I would prefer to record it to an external HD (like the nice big 500GB one). I have a large amount of experience in video encoding, I would probably output it to mp4 or divx. But the recording input would be the hardest part, how much memory will recording a full day of matched into mp4 take up?? I love going back an looking at matches during the season.
This might be a large project to undertake, but couldn't this all be done in software?
1 - Direct feed from capture card/FireWire/USB Camera
2 - Figuring out when matches start and end (Operator to say when matches start and end, and/or direct input from FIRST field control system, and/or sound recognition to signal match start and end, and/or ripping match status from radio signals.)
3 - Apply buffer to start and end to ensure whole match is captured
4 - Save video file to hard drive
5 - Encode to WMV/Xvid/Divx/h.264
I like the idea.. I don't know how well the actual parsing algorithm would work, however. If you can think of something, then great. I guess I'm trying not to be overwhelming. Recording and sending in video might sound more doable than something elaborate.
Sagar Vyas
10-12-2006, 16:33
I think its a great idea, i'd be interested in recording one of the three regionals i'm going to (GLR, Waterloo, GTR). Although, as Jonathan said.. I'm also curious to know what kinda output they'll give, using a HD sounds like the most effective way to record, perhaps a DVD-RW recorder w/HD?
Can we just send the recorded tapes to the good folks at SOAP to put on their site?
Jonathan Norris
10-12-2006, 16:44
Can we just send the recorded tapes to the good folks at SOAP to put on their site?
We could, but I wouldn't want to be the person to go through 20-30 tapes of regionals, and split it up into individual matches. I think the idea here is to split up that work and get more regionals recorded and posted on the internet.
How about this idea, we could try and do it all through google video, which will remove the problem of people recording it different formats. Google video also has the option to download the files to your computer. With FIRST's connection with Google... maybe we could do something here. Then maybe make a page which links to all the matches from the different regionals.
This might be a large project to undertake, but couldn't this all be done in software?
1 - Direct feed from capture card/FireWire/USB Camera
2 - Figuring out when matches start and end (Operator to say when matches start and end, and/or direct input from FIRST field control system, and/or sound recognition to signal match start and end, and/or ripping match status from radio signals.)
3 - Apply buffer to start and end to ensure whole match is captured
4 - Save video file to hard drive
5 - Encode to WMV/Xvid/Divx/h.264
I just had a thought that people could possible take to there regional planning committee. What if each regional had say 2-3 cameras setup around the field. And when a match starts (or 1-2minutes before) a person at the scoring table would press a "start" button to make the cameras begin to record, then at the end of the match it would be on for another 1-2 minutes (and then have the final score displayed on the video. Just another idea to simplify/make this effort easier.
ChuckDickerson
10-12-2006, 17:22
Hey, as far as I'm aware regionals each have a drop where teams can plug-in VCRs or cameras or computers to record video. That is, whether or not a regional is webcast
Really? How have I missed this all these years?
... plug it into the production company's drop...
If this is the case then why doesn't the production company(s) just sell a copy of the whole regional video on tape/DVD at the end of the regional? Wouldn't the production company own the rights to the video even if you just tap into their feed? I guess I was always under the impression that SOAP either recorded their own video or had permission from NASA to archive and distribute the NASA feed.
This sounds like great idea though. I will be looking for that video drop in New Orleans!
I have to echo Deep Water's post; do all the regionals really have this? Prior to last year (when it was webcasted) I don't ever remember cameras at the Arizona Regional other than what teams brought with themselves. I think if this was true we would have seen footage from more non-webcast regionals around CD, and that there'd probably be regional videos either for sale or being given out for free.
That said, we've been recording every match at Arizona for the past 2 years, and prior to then we did a large porition, so I think we could get them all and send them along anyway.
I have to echo Deep Water's post; do all the regionals really have this? Prior to last year (when it was webcasted) I don't ever remember cameras at the Arizona Regional other than what teams brought with themselves. I think if this was true we would have seen footage from more non-webcast regionals around CD, and that there'd probably be regional videos either for sale or being given out for free.
That said, we've been recording every match at Arizona for the past 2 years, and prior to then we did a large porition, so I think we could get them all and send them along anyway.
If there's a large screen showing action on the field then there is a live feed and you can attach your VCR to the feed and record what's happening.
I just looked at pictures from previous years at Arizona and I see the big screen so that means there are the means to record the action. Ask the AV guy to help. They're nice guys.
Wow, how did I not realise that? Thank you.
In that case, we will get all the matches from Arizona for certain, either ourselves or through their feed or both.
Lil' Lavery
10-12-2006, 20:33
I'd be interested for the VCU Regional - I'll ask my team.
Someone may be able to write a program to parse the video into matches. For example, based on the beginning buzzer, a certain screen, or something else. Not sure exactly how to do it, but I'm sure there are a bunch of really good programming people in FIRST who could figure it out.
I'll ask the programmers on my team on Monday about parsing.
I believe that 108 already SOAPs VCU (they have in the past anyway), but since they are attending NJ in week 1 this year, we may need it.
Alex Burman
11-12-2006, 08:16
My team may be able to provide recordings for NJ (if soap doesn't do it) and Chesapeake. Anyone going down to Brazil?
My team may be able to provide recordings for NJ (if soap doesn't do it) and Chesapeake. Anyone going down to Brazil?
I think we can handle it! ;)
Not committing anyone, just getting a sense of what events may be covered.
BAE SYSTEMS Granite State Regional - J. Norris
NASA / VCU Regional - Rob2713g
New Jersey Regional - Alex Burman
Pacific Northwest Regional - M. Krass
St. Louis Regional -
Arizona Regional - Donut
Bayou Regional - DeepWater
Brazilian Pilot - Manoel
Finger Lakes Regional - Koko Ed
Florida Regional -
Great Lakes Regional - SAV1337
Los Angeles Regional -
Pittsburgh Regional - Noah K.
Wisconsin Regional - Kevin K
Boilermaker Regional - Mike AA
Chesapeake Regional - Alex Burman
Detroit Regional -
Greater Kansas City Regional -
Midwest Regional -
Peachtree Regional -
Silicon Valley Regional -
UTC Connecticut Regional -
New York City Regional - Noah K.
Boston Regional -
Buckeye Regional - Koko Ed
San Diego Regional -
Waterloo Regional - J. Norris, SAV1337
GM/Technion Israel Regional -
Colorado Regional -
Davis Sacramento Regional -
Greater Toronto Regional - J. Norris, SAV1337
Las Vegas Regional -
Lone Star Regional -
Palmetto Regional -
Philadelphia Regional -
SBPLI Long Island Regional -
West Michigan Regional - Mike AA
I plan to record both Boilermaker and west michigan and if we get there Nationals all to DVD. I bought 2 DVD recorders last spring and I hope to get another 4-6 this year so that I can have redundancy, expecially since last year I was unplugged a time or two and lost about 3 hours of videos.
I had started to work on parsing the videos last year but my job got very busy. I should have more initiative and time to do it this year. So cound me for Boilermaker and Westmichigan. If I get my recorder card I will also bring my computer to do a webcast.
-Mike
1654 last year
2015 this year
Jonathan Norris
12-12-2006, 22:37
Personally I don't think recording is the biggest issue, getting it posted on the web in a central location is even more key. I was thinking we could try and bug Brandon to add a function to CD Media that would let us post links to youtube or google videos. I really think this would be the best option, seeing that the videos are not hosted here (bandwidth!) and they are accessible to everyone. I have been playing around with flash video lately (here (http://robotics.crescentschool.org/)) and really love it, but I still feel youtube and/or google video embedded in a CD Media page would be best.
Kevin Kolodziej
12-12-2006, 22:38
Even if it means I have to get a new VCR (my current one likes to eat tapes) and a second hard drive (for parsing), I'll take care of Wisconsin. No promises on the parsing, though, since that is about the time when my Master's Capstone project will kick into high gear. Raw footage is definitely covered though!
Noah Kleinberg
12-12-2006, 23:30
Not committing anyone, just getting a sense of what events may be covered.
If I can get the equipment required (just a VCR?), I'll record New York City and Pittsburgh... If someone else is going to one of these and has a DVD recorder though then that's probably easier to get it onto a computer.
This sounds great! It’s awesome to see so many others interested. We've been planning for quite some time to release a guide on how SOAPify your local regional some time after kickoff and before the regionals, and hopefully this sparked interest will help us speed up the process.
Just to clarify a few things from the SOAP side...
At each regional we attend, we receive an A/V feed from FIRST, encode each match individually, and then upload them to the site after each match. Last year we encoded the VCU Regional as training for new SOAP members, as it was on the Saturday before our first regional.
We also did the webcast for NASA at the Palmetto Regional, which was relatively easy because the computer used for that purpose did not have to be constantly monitored. I suppose if you were just getting started with this, an archived webcast would be they way to go, yet parsing would still need to be done.
Although encoding only takes 1 person per regional, the tedious start, stop, rename, upload, process required us to work in shifts throughout the weekend to prevent us from collapsing in front of the computer after 20 or so matches. And the Championships are a completely different story...:ahh:
On the idea about some sort of program to encode and parse the videos, it has been considered before, but we ran into a few concerns. If each match went perfectly with no redos or resets or glitches, the software should work perfectly, but it becomes difficult when a match needs to be reset, or may even be rescheduled for a later time (this was a problem even with human encoders and caused a bit of confusion). I'm not saying it can't be done, but those are just some things to keep in mind.
Hopefully with proper implementation, the whole FIRST community will finally be able to see those classic GTR and other powerhouse regional matches that everyone raves about.
-No L
My team will record PNW if someone agrees to remind me about two days before the event starts :) There's otherwise no way on Earth I'll remember to find and bring along a VCR.
Personally I don't think recording is the biggest issue, getting it posted on the web in a central location is even more key. I was thinking we could try and bug Brandon to add a function to CD Media that would let us post links to youtube or google videos. I really think this would be the best option, seeing that the videos are not hosted here (bandwidth!) and they are accessible to everyone. I have been playing around with flash video lately (here (http://robotics.crescentschool.org/)) and really love it, but I still feel youtube and/or google video embedded in a CD Media page would be best.
Jon,
I just started to think about implementation details, and that suggestion is a really good one to consider. Does YouTube or Google Video allow downloads of video to a user's hard drive?
I think getting the regionals recorded deserves just as much attention as getting the video parsed into individual matches and put online (though the parsing is alot more tedious). Every step has to be executed for this to work.
I'm also hoping FIRST's scoring system is working by week one, so that we could possibly nag them about getting a copy of the scoring database, to pull match information from. Then things will really start to come together, you know? If they don't provide the database, then there is always the online match results to use (still counts on data availability from day one). Ugh, then there is also the matter of robot information, and robot pictures, but I'm taking this thing one step at a time. (Actually, I think getting robot pictures may be easy, as I notice there are always a few people that upload robot pictures onto CD-Media that they took for scouting purposes).
Anyway, back to the video feed talk :).
I just started to think about implementation details, and that suggestion is a really good one to consider. Does YouTube or Google Video allow downloads of video to a user's hard drive?
Yes, but I think it's only if it's not copyrighted. I noticed some videos on Google Video allow downloads, while others don't.
If I could get donations to install a T-3 to my house for 3 months I could host the files with more bandwidth than I already have. Currently I have all the files soap does and plan to in each year to come but I dont have nearly the speed to make it easy for downloads. I may talk to my ISP about getting my SDSL speed upped for the season...
-Mike
Lil' Lavery
13-12-2006, 16:54
I just started to think about implementation details, and that suggestion is a really good one to consider. Does YouTube or Google Video allow downloads of video to a user's hard drive?
They don't using standard software, but I know there is an add-on for Firefox that allows you to download streaming videos from YouTube, Google, etc. The only catch is that they download in .flv format, and there isn't an .flv player for OSX that I know of, so us Mac users would either have to run bootcamp or be happy streaming.
Ah.. so YouTube or Google video would be good as a complement, but should not be used as the main repository for storing all the regional video. I wonder what SOAP thinks about all of this? I would think they'd be happy to get all the regionals archived on their site. Maybe I should ask them.
Dave Flowerday
13-12-2006, 17:37
Ah.. so YouTube or Google video would be good as a complement, but should not be used as the main repository for storing all the regional video. I wonder what SOAP thinks about all of this? I would think they'd be happy to get all the regionals archived on their site. Maybe I should ask them.At some point you run into the real problem of storage and bandwidth. Obviously the video itself would take up a lot of storage space. Not so big a deal if you're storing it on your 500GB USB hard drive at home, but that can be expensive if the storage is located on a real dedicated server on the Internet. The other problem is bandwidth. You need lots of it. In this case you really want to have a machine in a datacenter with multiple connections to the various Internet backbones that cover the US. A single T1 will not cut it. Having only a single connection to one provider will probably mean very poor download times for certain people as the data has to hop through a bunch of different networks. Of course, when you get such a server in a datacenter like this, they tend to cap the amount of data you can transfer each month. Having 100s of people downloading regional video will chew through this in a hurry!
What would be interesting would be to see if we could somehow come up with a server with plenty of storage (maybe a generous donation or maybe a bunch of teams pitch in and split the cost or something) that we could convince an institution connected with FIRST to host for us (some organization that has lots of bandwidth, like a major university or perhaps something like NASA). If we could pull off something like that maybe we could also standardize a webcasting system too (that also uses up enormous amounts of bandwidth).
Jonathan Norris
13-12-2006, 17:47
As I mentioned before google video allows users to download the video (as long as it is not copyrighted), here is an example (http://video.google.ca/videoplay?docid=4055921688842204743&hl=en-CA) of a video from GTR I posted a while back. On the right you can select to download it as a .mp4 file at high quality, same as I get from SOAP. Where as you can only download youtube files as .flv (flash video files). With both youtube and google video you can embed them into a web site, click the blue "Email - Blog - Myspace" button then embed HTML link and you can have a nice little 400X326 video player. I can hopefully see something like this implemented into CD Media, seeing the the videos are not hosted here and will be in the most central of locations, Chief Delphi. If we cannot make that work here, I think it is a good idea to try it on another service like SOAP.
Do most of you think the location would have to be available to be downloadable all year round? Or would only march through june or so be sufficient? I can get my ISP to up my upload speed for a few months with little effort. And at my current location I can probably get a donated connection to my BPW's fiberoptic to get a good 30MB upload speed. I will talk to them this coming week and see what I can come up with. The biggest issue, as already mentioned is the money factor. I can get a 1.5-3.0 MB upload but it'll cost me around $300/month.
-Mike
Pavan Dave
15-12-2006, 06:49
Hey,
If you cant find somebody else, depending on my schedule I might be able to break up some regional footage. But I'll give you a definate anwser when you ask me.
Pavan.
lukevanoort
15-12-2006, 16:32
Is there a reason the videos have to be stored centrally? Wouldn't it be easier to have, say, 100 sites with something like half a regional's worth of videos, and a central site that just links to them? Just a thought...
Ok. I just heard back from Randy (at Sevaa, the hosting company SOAP uses), and based on what he says, hosting/bandwidth for these videos should not be a problem. So I guess now we just have to work on getting, parsing, and uploading the videos, as the regionals happen.
I'll see if I can contact the people at SOAP (or if someone on CD knows, then they can share) to see what they are working on as far as scouting information goes. I know that a few years ago they had a very nice scouting interface with information from pretty much every regional, and I'm curious if they are going to provide that this year.
The complete package:
1. Match Videos
2. Match scores
3. Robot pictures
4. Robot stats
5. Overall stats
Aiming a little bit high here, but whatever. One step at a time.
The last I heard the 108 team will be attending the Florida and Las Vegas events. I know firsthand there will be a SOAP effort in Boston again. You could add that to the list in this thread.
KA-108 :cool:
I'm planning on recording LA & San Diego (for my own sake). If someone wants to organize something more, I'm happy to share my recordings. Just let me know who/what/where/when/how.
--AJ
The capture device we used last year and intend to use again is Xpert DVD Maker USB 2.0 by KWorld. http://www.soap.circuitrunners.com/2006/O38-1022inset.jpg
It captures at 720x480. We use windows media encoder (free) with the latest codecs.
If there's no real objection, may we ask that e1 try this format?
Regardless, if you digitize it we'll gladly host it.
Regards,
KA-108 :cool:
Ok, so things are coming together.. a little bit. Only 14 regionals that don't yet have people interested in recording.
I think I outlined the basic plan in one of my posts above, but will be trying to work out some details very soon, to actually see how the whole process may evolve.
BAE SYSTEMS Granite State Regional - J. Norris
NASA / VCU Regional - Rob2713g
New Jersey Regional - Alex Burman
Pacific Northwest Regional - M. Krass
St. Louis Regional -
Arizona Regional - Donut
Bayou Regional - DeepWater
Brazilian Pilot - Manoel
Finger Lakes Regional - Koko Ed
Florida Regional - SOAP
Great Lakes Regional - SAV1337
Los Angeles Regional - ayb2
Pittsburgh Regional - Noah K.
Wisconsin Regional - Kevin K
Boilermaker Regional - Mike AA
Chesapeake Regional - Alex Burman
Detroit Regional -
Greater Kansas City Regional -
Midwest Regional -
Peachtree Regional -
Silicon Valley Regional -
UTC Connecticut Regional -
New York City Regional - Noah K.
Boston Regional - SOAP
Buckeye Regional - Koko Ed
San Diego Regional - ayb2
Waterloo Regional - J. Norris, SAV1337
GM/Technion Israel Regional -
Colorado Regional -
Davis Sacramento Regional -
Greater Toronto Regional - J. Norris, SAV1337
Las Vegas Regional - SOAP
Lone Star Regional -
Palmetto Regional -
Philadelphia Regional -
SBPLI Long Island Regional -
West Michigan Regional - Mike AA
That would be a great idea if we could videotape the matches. It would be cool to have them on video. Also it would help strategize against teams.;)
Alright, its getting close(r) to showtime, so I think its a good time to revive this thread. For those who are willing to record, how are you planning on recording the regional feed? That is, are you recording to a VHS that has to be digitized, are you recording to a digital format? Are you going to use the setup SOAP108 has suggested? If you aren't sure, then what options do you have for recording? I think now's a good time to get an idea of what formats of video will be coming in, and of how to actually parse the hours of footage to get each match onto SOAP's website.
Also, there are regionals that currently don't have anyone interested in recording. If you are just seeing this tread now, and want help out, then certainly step forward.
Here are the regionals, and there associated recorders:
BAE SYSTEMS Granite State Regional - J. Norris
NASA / VCU Regional - Rob2713g
New Jersey Regional - Alex Burman
Pacific Northwest Regional - M. Krass
St. Louis Regional -
Arizona Regional - Donut
Bayou Regional - DeepWater
Brazilian Pilot - Manoel
Finger Lakes Regional - Koko Ed
Florida Regional - SOAP
Great Lakes Regional - SAV1337
Los Angeles Regional - ayb2
Pittsburgh Regional - Noah K.
Wisconsin Regional - Kevin K
Boilermaker Regional - Mike AA
Chesapeake Regional - Alex Burman
Detroit Regional -
Greater Kansas City Regional -
Midwest Regional -
Peachtree Regional -
Silicon Valley Regional -
UTC Connecticut Regional -
New York City Regional - Noah K.
Boston Regional - SOAP
Buckeye Regional - Koko Ed
San Diego Regional - ayb2
Waterloo Regional - J. Norris, SAV1337
GM/Technion Israel Regional -
Colorado Regional -
Davis Sacramento Regional -
Greater Toronto Regional - J. Norris, SAV1337
Las Vegas Regional - SOAP
Lone Star Regional -
Palmetto Regional -
Philadelphia Regional -
SBPLI Long Island Regional -
West Michigan Regional - Mike AA
Kevin Kolodziej
05-02-2007, 16:32
Currently, I will be recording in VHS. I MAY be able to transfer that to DVD within a week after the event, or I MAY get a DVD recorder by then. In either case, I will not have the time to parse anything until after all the regionals, which defeats the purpose of that - so I'll need to know who to send it out to for parsing and uploading via mail (I have no problem sending it overnight to get this all done as quick as possible).
Kev
I have a question about the camera feeds at regionals. Are they like the nationals where there are multiple camera angles? or is it just the long shot of the field? I'm looking for some action shots and close-ups of some robots in action but I don't think they will let me on the side of the field with a camera.
Any ideas about how to get good action video at regionals?
The camera feed that is recorded is a direct mirror of what is on the big screen. If you are seeing it on the big screen, then its being recorded at the A/V drop by your equipment.
Sagar Vyas
05-02-2007, 16:59
I'm still deciding whats the easiest way for me to record at GLR...
Jonathan Norris
06-02-2007, 00:16
Ok so I have tried to do some planing for this. Right now i am thinking of using the recomended solution from the SOAP people, this recorder (http://www.tigerdirect.ca/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=612720&Sku=O38-1022), into an old laptop that has an 80GB hard drive in it, with about 50GB free. It looks like I will need to use an external drive with it. I was wondering from the community out there what resolution/format/bitrate I should record at, and how big of an HD will i need to record a 2 day event??? the parsing is not an issue.. but will take some time. Then how would I get all this on to the SOAP archive. I also plan on hosting it on my team's website, and one of google video or youtube.
You may not necessarily need the external drive, unless you want it for backup. Just adding up the size of videos from the 2006 regionals, each regional contains about 2-2.5 GB of video, including awards and some extra stuff.
I'm not exactly sure at the moment how the uploading works, but I can find out tomorrow and get back to you.
I know for Arizona that one of our mentors will be recording the matches himself, as we sometimes don't like the view the camera give us (such as zooming in on a robot picking balls up from the ground when the other 5 are over fighting in front of the goal). I think I'll end up recording the actual big screen feed by VCR, but I'm not certain yet.
For those who are willing to record, how are you planning on recording the regional feed?
I'll be recording either to DV tape or directly to DVD. I need to check both setups and make sure I have all the parts/cables/media/etc and see which works better before I decide.
Here are the regionals, and there associated recorders:
Los Angeles Regional - ayb2
San Diego Regional - ayb2
That's ay2b, not ayb2.
I may also be able to record the Silicon Valley Regional; I don't know yet if I'm going to that one or not.
--AJ
Bill Bennett
07-02-2007, 17:31
Regarding the video hosting --
Have you secured who will do this yet? Besides being a mentor & on Pittsburgh's planning committee, I also do business development for a user-generated content video sharing company (http://www.bocoo.com/)
I don't know if Bocoo would be interested in FIRST, but bandwidth and server space isn't an issue.
Maybe take a look and let me know.
Bill
Matt Keller
10-02-2007, 01:28
We, SOAP, will most definately host ALL videos we can get our hands on. I have been tediously working on this year's site for several months now, and I think its safe to say you will all be quite satisfied. As for video delivery, there will be our own flv player on the site to stream match videos. In addition, original filetype downloads will be available. If need be, different resolutions and/or filetypes will be generated to make your downloading experience as painless as possible. Tomorrow we will try to come to a consensus on official uploading methods and develop some sort of guidelines to reduce post-processing time on our end, and make this operation run smoothly. I shall report back asap.
I'm not on CD regularly, so if anyone needs to talk to me about anything SOAP related, feel free to IM me at ANY time. (aim: substr108)
As a side note, it has come to the attention of our team that SOAP is commonly identified as our own team, SOAP 108. It is in fact apart of SigmaC@T 108. SOAP is an acronym for SigmaC@T Opponent Analysis Program. Just something I needed to clarify. :cool:
Then how would I get all this on to the SOAP archive. I also plan on hosting it on my team's website, and one of google video or youtube.
Like Matt commented, we will gladly host it. I will ask our host to create an ftp account specifically for uploading movies. Upload as soon as possible- LiVE at the event is preferred, or the Sunday/Monday after is acceptable too.
Worse case, snail-mail a dvd or hand one to us at the Championship. We'll be behind Einstein.
Regards,
KA-108 :cool:
For consistency and predictability sake, we have a preference in naming the movie files.
General Naming Rules
* Two or three character event abbreviation in lowercase, e.g. "fl"
* Underscore, "_"
* XOR:
Qualification: Use THREE digits, "001", "047", "108".
Elimination: Use "qf4m2", "sf2m1", "fm3"
Awards: Use "award_" + AwardDescription.
Opening: Use "openingremarks_" + "friday" or "saturday".
Closing: Use "closingremarks_" + "friday" or "saturday".
Else: any string that does not begin with "qf", "sf", "fm", or a digit.
* ".wmv" (or whatever format extention you encoded, hopefully windows media)
Notes:
# Always use lowercase, please.
# No spaces in a filename, please.
# Sometimes a match gets replayed- name the one that counts in the standings as "fl_001.wmv". The one(s) that do NOT count, "fl_001bad1.wmv", "fl_001bad2.wmv", etc...
Abbreviations are as follows:
BAE SYSTEMS Granite State Regional NH
NASA / VCU Regional VA
New Jersey Regional NJ
Pacific Northwest Regional OR
St. Louis Regional MO
Arizona Regional AZ
Bayou Regional LA
Brazilian Pilot BR
Finger Lakes Regional ROC
Florida Regional FL
Great Lakes Regional GL
Los Angeles Regional CA
Pittsburgh Regional PIT
Wisconsin Regional WI
Boilermaker Regional IN
Chesapeake Regional MD
Detroit Regional DT
Greater Kansas City Regional KC
Midwest Regional IL
Peachtree Regional GA
Silicon Valley Regional SJ
UTC Connecticut Regional CT
New York City Regional NY
Boston Regional MA
Buckeye Regional OH
San Diego Regional SDC
Waterloo Regional WAT
GM/Technion Israel Regional IS
Colorado Regional CO
Greater Toronto Regional ON
Las Vegas Regional NV
Lone Star Regional TX
Palmetto Regional SC
Philadelphia Regional PA
Sacramento Regional SAC
SBPLI Long Island Regional LI
West Michigan Regional MI
Many thanks,
KA-108 :cool:
Like Matt commented, we will gladly host it. I will ask our host to create an ftp account specifically for uploading movies. Upload as soon as possible- LiVE at the event is preferred, or the Sunday/Monday after is acceptable too.
Worse case, snail-mail a dvd or hand one to us at the Championship. We'll be behind Einstein.
Regards,
KA-108 :cool:
Are you volunteering to parse the matches from a long video stream!? If so, then how long do you think it would take to do the videos as they keep rolling in, week after week?
Are you volunteering to parse the matches from a long video stream!? If so, then how long do you think it would take to do the videos as they keep rolling in, week after week?
We'd certainly host the large files, but prefer not to do any parsing ourself. Please use available media tools to extract just the match.
KA
Ok, The first week of regionals are right around the corner. We have almost all five regionals covered. If we get someone to volunteer to record St. Louis, then we will have complete coverage.
BAE SYSTEMS Granite State Regional - J. Norris
NASA / VCU Regional - Rob2713g
New Jersey Regional - Alex Burman
Pacific Northwest Regional - M. Krass
St. Louis Regional - ??
J. Norris, Rob2713g, Alex Burman, and M. Krass, I sent you a PM.
Is there a volunteer for St. Louis?
Its great that there are a number of people volunteering to get the raw data, but the problem now is that not many people have volunteered to parse the video into individual matches. I'm not really sure what to do about this. Suggestions?
Dave Flowerday
22-02-2007, 10:51
Is there a volunteer for St. Louis?
I'm going to St. Louis to watch. I'll see if I can get it recorded.
I can probably get the matches for AZ parsed, but I'd probably take a while to do it.
Pavan Dave
22-02-2007, 19:36
If there's a large screen showing action on the field then there is a live feed and you can attach your VCR to the feed and record what's happening.
I just looked at pictures from previous years at Arizona and I see the big screen so that means there are the means to record the action. Ask the AV guy to help. They're nice guys.
Based on what you said we could "TiVo" it, right? Maybe instead of people with VCR's we could TiVo it and it would be a little easier?
Pavan.
We will be recording all of VCU. We plan on having 2 cameras running so we can have an overview of the match and closeups of certain parts. We will have it all posted shortly after the regional.
Kellen Hill
24-02-2007, 11:44
Team 1625 will be recording St. Louis if you were still needing a person.
Tom Bottiglieri
24-02-2007, 11:52
Based on what you said we could "TiVo" it, right? Maybe instead of people with VCR's we could TiVo it and it would be a little easier?
Pavan.
I don't believe you can take in a A/V feed (ie. Anything thats NOT Coax) with a Tivo. Plus, they put DRM on top of anything recorded.
Theres a few things I would do:
1) Record to mini DV tapes. It would take a bunch, but it would be pretty easy. Just plug your mini DV camcorder into the feed and hit record. You can rip and parse the videos later.
2) Use a miniDV cam as a pass through, and use the firewire connection to get the video feed directly into your computer. This will take up alot of hard drive space, so be weary.
3) Use a capture card (preferably one with MPEG2 hardware support, like the Hauppuage cards..) and record straight data to the hard drive. If one really feels adventerous they can do the parsing real time.
Now I believe if you have a good enough computer, you can open a DV stream (very big, like 25 mb/s) and do real time encoding with VLC or somethign similar. I think this is how SOAP does their webcasts. Then, you could save the smaller sized feed to your hard drive.
I'm still waiting for a response from Alex Burman and Rob2713g, but it looks like week one is all set! This should be awesome.
BAE SYSTEMS Granite State Regional - J. Norris
NASA / VCU Regional - Rob2713g, chris31
New Jersey Regional - Alex Burman
Pacific Northwest Regional - M. Krass
St. Louis Regional - Dave Flowerday, hill
Arizona Regional - Donut
Bayou Regional - DeepWater
Brazilian Pilot - Manoel
Finger Lakes Regional - Koko Ed
Florida Regional - SOAP
Great Lakes Regional - SAV1337
Los Angeles Regional - ayb2
Pittsburgh Regional - Noah K.
Wisconsin Regional - Kevin K
Boilermaker Regional - Mike AA
Chesapeake Regional - Alex Burman
Detroit Regional -
Greater Kansas City Regional -
Midwest Regional - Dave Flowerday
Peachtree Regional -
Silicon Valley Regional - M. Krass
UTC Connecticut Regional -
New York City Regional - Noah K.
Boston Regional - SOAP
Buckeye Regional - Koko Ed
San Diego Regional - ayb2
Waterloo Regional - J. Norris, SAV1337
GM/Technion Israel Regional -
Colorado Regional -
Davis Sacramento Regional -
Greater Toronto Regional - J. Norris, SAV1337
Las Vegas Regional - SOAP
Lone Star Regional -
Palmetto Regional -
Philadelphia Regional -
SBPLI Long Island Regional -
West Michigan Regional - Mike AA, Dave Flowerday
Kyle Fenton
24-02-2007, 13:57
I will be recording the matches of the Boston Regional directly to DVD. I will be willing to share it if there is something wrong with the feed.
[QUOTE=Tom Bottiglieri;585484]I don't believe you can take in a A/V feed (ie. Anything thats NOT Coax) with a Tivo. Plus, they put DRM on top of anything recorded.[QUOTE]
TiVos can record directly from an A/V input, though it's a little tricky to configure. They do not add DRM to their recordings.
Jonathan Norris
24-02-2007, 17:42
Reminder: I recomend that everyone who is planning on recording a regional to contact the regional director (or someone running the regional) so that they know you need a hook-up from FIRST. I'm sure it makes the A/V guys job alot easier when they know that you are coming and can prepare a connection for you.
Dave Flowerday
24-02-2007, 18:01
Reminder: I recomend that everyone who is planning on recording a regional to contact the regional director (or someone running the regional) so that they know you need a hook-up from FIRST. I'm sure it makes the A/V guys job alot easier when they know that you are coming and can prepare a connection for you.
Every event I've been to since at least 1997 has had a table set up with lots of A/V feeds for the specific purpose of teams hooking up VCRs or whatever. I'm quite certain this is standard practice at all events.
Kevin Kolodziej
28-02-2007, 14:39
Here is what I am planning for Wisconsin:
Recording to 4-5 VHS tapes
After event, hooking up to my Dazzle Capture device and doing real time parsing (can I have the week off of work!?!?), saving files as mpeg-2 in low quality (320x240) - 25mb ish per match.
Putting all parsed video onto a DVD and sending it to SOAP....WHERE? Can someone from SOAP PM me with an address? I don't mind sending it overnight to get it there to it can be up ASAP.
If my laptop isn't needed at the competition, I may directly capture with the Dazzle, and then figure out how to parse later.
Either way, Its either going to be done within a week, or not until after all the regionals are done (going to WI, IN, OH, and WM). My guess is people want these BEFORE Atlanta :D
Rob2713g
28-02-2007, 17:54
Hello,
Team 540 will be recording the NASA/VCU Regional.
I don't know specific details since we've got some folks from Microsoft Research's NetCasting group helping us out with this.
I know that we're planning on capturing raw video from the provided feed and writing it directly to a hard drive. We've got an external capture device and a 750GB drive connected through a laptop running Windows Movie Maker or something. We've tested it and it works just fine. We're expecting to collect something on the order of 250GB of raw video -- is this unreasonable?
After the event, the MSR folks will compress it, at the very least, and maybe even parse it into individual matches. It depends a bit on their schedule of events.
Tom Bottiglieri
28-02-2007, 18:24
I don't know specific details since we've got some folks from Microsoft Research's NetCasting group helping us out with this.
I know that we're planning on capturing raw video from the provided feed and writing it directly to a hard drive. We've got an external capture device and a 750GB drive connected through a laptop running Windows Movie Maker or something. We've tested it and it works just fine. We're expecting to collect something on the order of 250GB of raw video -- is this unreasonable?
After the event, the MSR folks will compress it, at the very least, and maybe even parse it into individual matches. It depends a bit on their schedule of events.
Woo. Good old Microsoft.
Sagar Vyas
01-03-2007, 23:09
It would be good if someone like SOAP could setup an FTP so people who are recording it can dump the files onto their server. I will be recording the Great Lakes Regional next week and hope to get the files ready as early as a few days later (can't promise:rolleyes: ).
Can anyone confirm what kind of output we're getting? (RCA, S-Video, Coax)
Thanks
Jonathan Norris
01-03-2007, 23:18
We get a RCA out at the regionals.
I've recorded and encoded the FLR for the first 2 years and it's definitely takes alot of time to do. So unless there's a dedicated process, as SOAP does so well, than it can be done real time but unfortunately I don't think any of the volunteers thus far will have the bandwidth to do it that quickly. The feed we get is typically normal rca or coax I believe.
But This is a great showing to get things standardized - Great Job Joel for initiating this activity. I'll see you next week at FLR!
Ellery
This year I will be recording the GM/Technion Israeli regional. Unless we are able to arrange for someone to sit there with a computer and do the cuts on the spot, I will have to find someone to edit the long stream into individual matches (it is a very time consuming process, which is why I didn't finish it last year).
I was also wondering what programs and connections I would need for someone to get the feed on a computer and do the cuts on the spot.
I'll take care of the Davis/Sac Regional.
I wish our team could speak with every regional director and inspire them to provide a volunteer for making a LiVE archive. Granted we teams benefit immensely, but there are other applications for the video.
My personal commitment is to reach out to NYC and LongIsland next year. (I'm moving to Brooklyn). The Boston committee already 'got the message' - they've given us a personal invite to be there, two years in a row.
I'm glad Joel J. has gotten promises from so many of you. I have given him an ftp user/pass to our movie server. If your name is on his list (in this thread) he should be sending you the info soon. If not, please PM me asap.
Regards,
KA-108 :cool:
...So unless there's a dedicated process, as SOAP does so well, ....
The feed we get is typically normal rca or coax I believe...
Ellery
At Championship, please stop by the SOAP Table, behind Einstein, and chat with Mike Sansone fom Motorola. I'm sure he'll be more than happy to provide "training" and feedback. Careful, he may even put you to work!
RCA is pretty much the standard at all events.
KA-108
Jonathan Norris
02-03-2007, 22:52
It was very interesting today at BAE, Dean and a Google executive (who is running YouTube now), gave a speech where they said they wanted every single match this year recorded and posted on the internet. The YouTube person explained exactly how he wants it uploaded to YouTube and tagged. This is great, Dean said what we are doing here is the next step in his homework for us! Thank you to everyone recording and uploading video! :D
Here is what I am planning for Wisconsin:
Recording to 4-5 VHS tapes
After event, hooking up to my Dazzle Capture device and doing real time parsing (can I have the week off of work!?!?), saving files as mpeg-2 in low quality (320x240) - 25mb ish per match.
Putting all parsed video onto a DVD and sending it to SOAP....WHERE? Can someone from SOAP PM me with an address? I don't mind sending it overnight to get it there to it can be up ASAP.
If my laptop isn't needed at the competition, I may directly capture with the Dazzle, and then figure out how to parse later.
Either way, Its either going to be done within a week, or not until after all the regionals are done (going to WI, IN, OH, and WM). My guess is people want these BEFORE Atlanta :D
Technology has advanced and, if at all possible, please try to acquire this device which handles 720x480. - http://soap.circuitrunners.com/2006/O38-1022inset.jpg
The baseline encoder config file for Windows Media Encoder is there also - http://soap.circuitrunners.com/2006/2006.wme
Remember to change the metadata to 2007! ;)
When you're ready we can make an ftp dropfolder for you, or reply with a postal address.
KA-108
This year I will be recording the GM/Technion Israeli regional. Unless we are able to arrange for someone to sit there with a computer and do the cuts on the spot, I will have to find someone to edit the long stream into individual matches (it is a very time consuming process, which is why I didn't finish it last year).
I was also wondering what programs and connections I would need for someone to get the feed on a computer and do the cuts on the spot.
I think you have to ask SOAP this question.
BAE SYSTEMS Granite State Regional - J. Norris (record/parse)
NASA / VCU Regional - Rob2713g (record), chris31 (record)
New Jersey Regional - Alex Burman (record/parse)
Pacific Northwest Regional - M. Krass (record/parse)
St. Louis Regional - Dave Flowerday (record/parse), hill (record)
Arizona Regional - Donut (record/parse)
Bayou Regional - DeepWater (record)
Brazilian Pilot - Manoel (record/parse)
Finger Lakes Regional - Koko Ed (record), Ellery (parse)
Florida Regional - SOAP (record/parse)
Great Lakes Regional - SAV1337 (record/parse)
Los Angeles Regional - ay2b (record)
Pittsburgh Regional - Noah K. (record)
Wisconsin Regional - Kevin K (record/parse)
Boilermaker Regional - Mike AA (record/parse)
Chesapeake Regional - Alex Burman(record)
Detroit Regional -
Greater Kansas City Regional -
Midwest Regional - Dave Flowerday (record/parse)
Peachtree Regional -
Silicon Valley Regional - M. Krass (record/parse)
UTC Connecticut Regional -
New York City Regional - Noah K.(record)
Boston Regional - SOAP (record/parse)
Buckeye Regional - Koko Ed (record), Ellery (parse)
San Diego Regional - ay2b (record)
Waterloo Regional - J. Norris (record/parse), SAV1337 (record)
GM/Technion Israel Regional - David55 (record)
Colorado Regional -
Davis Sacramento Regional - Doug G (record/parse)
Greater Toronto Regional - J. Norris (record/parse), SAV1337(record)
Las Vegas Regional - SOAP(record/parse)
Lone Star Regional -
Palmetto Regional -
Philadelphia Regional -
SBPLI Long Island Regional -
West Michigan Regional - Mike AA (record/parse), Dave Flowerday (record/parse)
We've got about 200GB of raw video from PNW, including most of Thursday's practice matches and all of Friday and Saturday. We'll try to get it compressed and split into more manageable chunks as soon as we can.
IMPORTANT
When you go to encode in Windows Media Encoder, please select the option 'Deinterlace'. It is found in Properties -> Processing Tab.
This helps eliminate "liney" video when objects move rapidly.
Also, turn on Indexing.
See http://www.soap.circuitrunners.com/2007/2007.wme
Thanks,
KA-108 :cool:
Ah.. so YouTube or Google video would be good as a complement, but should not be used as the main repository for storing all the regional video.
Why not?
I've read through the thread and I've come to a strikingly different conclusion.
Now, I've uploaded over 80 gigs of raw DV content to Google Video. It's not YouTube, in that it doesn't have the social networking content. Teams will still, I imagine, want to upload individual matches or team highlights onto YouTube. Certainly Dean's speech at BAE. We recorded, on our own, all of our matches, and will likely put that on YouTube.
However, Team 1073 also grabbed video from BAE GSR, straight from the feed. I plan on ripping that video to mpeg at 5120 kbps and uploading it directly to Google Video. They don't put a limit on what you can put up, so why not upload an entire video of comp? The whole flippin' thing?
People could search "Granite State Regional 2007" and watch the entire competition. You can, of course, chapter it by match.
If teams want to host it on their own space, that's fine. It's silly, however, to talk about paying people great sums of money to do what Google will do more reliably and for free.
A more important question that I have not seen addressed:
Does anyone know the legality of disseminating FIRST's official video from the different regionals? I heard a rumor BAE was telling people to not give out the video. Is this accurate?
Why not?
I've read through the thread and I've come to a strikingly different conclusion.
Now, I've uploaded over 80 gigs of raw DV content to Google Video. It's not YouTube, in that it doesn't have the social networking content. Teams will still, I imagine, want to upload individual matches or team highlights onto YouTube. Certainly Dean's speech at BAE. We recorded, on our own, all of our matches, and will likely put that on YouTube.
However, Team 1073 also grabbed video from BAE GSR, straight from the feed. I plan on ripping that video to mpeg at 5120 kbps and uploading it directly to Google Video. They don't put a limit on what you can put up, so why not upload an entire video of comp? The whole flippin' thing?
People could search "Granite State Regional 2007" and watch the entire competition. You can, of course, chapter it by match.
If teams want to host it on their own space, that's fine. It's silly, however, to talk about paying people great sums of money to do what Google will do more reliably and for free.
A more important question that I have not seen addressed:
Does anyone know the legality of disseminating FIRST's official video from the different regionals? I heard a rumor BAE was telling people to not give out the video. Is this accurate?
Hosting for these videos is being donated, AFAIK.
Jonathan Norris
05-03-2007, 23:01
Anyone uploading video to YouTube please watch this video from BAE. A representatives from Google came on to the field and explained exactly how he wants us to tag our video's in order to get maximum publicity on YouTube:
http://soap.circuitrunners.com/2007/movies/nh/nh_youtube.wmv
SOAP is a great service for people involved in FIRST, but so can YouTube. Lets use YouTube to promote FIRST and get more eyes on to the great competition we have here.
I thought I should bring this discussion over here too. Watch the video and you will see how much Google is trying to help us, lets all spend the time to upload the video to YouTube as well as SOAP so we can get more publicity for FIRST. SOAP is perfect for our more 'internal' uses, but its not ideal as a publicity tool. This is where YouTube comes in, there are millions of users of there, many of whom will stumble upon our great competition.
artdutra04
05-03-2007, 23:42
I thought I should bring this discussion over here too. Watch the video and you will see how much Google is trying to help us, lets all spend the time to upload the video to YouTube as well as SOAP so we can get more publicity for FIRST. SOAP is perfect for our more 'internal' uses, but its not ideal as a publicity tool. This is where YouTube comes in, there are millions of users of there, many of whom will stumble upon our great competition.Basically so viewers do not have to download that video, here are all the main key points summed up straight from the video. These are the tags that Dean and YouTube want us to use:
FIRST
FIRST2007
Robotics
______Regional [Fill in the blank with the city where the Regional is held, such as ManchesterRegional, HartfordRegional, or BostonRegional. Do not use names like BayouRegional or BAERegional]
FirstTeam____ [Fill in the blank with your team number, such as FirstTeam228]
As for categories: Howto and DIY.
;)
What I'm pushing for is to get everything uploaded to SOAP, and for the other outlets to then get their footage from that one, central, location (SOAP). I really don't want to abandon the idea of having everything on SOAP. With a Mozilla plug-in (Download Them all) its really not that hard to get the footage from SOAP's site, once its up.
Hosting for these videos is being donated, AFAIK.
For SOAP, ok. I was referring to other things.
I don't begrudge anyone hosting their own video! I'm just talking about using resources.
I thought I should bring this discussion over here too. Watch the video and you will see how much Google is trying to help us, lets all spend the time to upload the video to YouTube as well as SOAP so we can get more publicity for FIRST. SOAP is perfect for our more 'internal' uses, but its not ideal as a publicity tool. This is where YouTube comes in, there are millions of users of there, many of whom will stumble upon our great competition.
Right. I was up in the Sam Adams booth on Saturday talking to Dean about the benefits/problems of integrating FIRST with YouTube. For instance, most high schools block YouTube. And if you want to catch people with a viral meme, than how do you take 6 weeks of FIRST and construct something that will compel the viewer to up and drive to comp in a video that must be less than a minute or two? I'm working on figuring that out but darn if it isn't difficult.
What I'm pushing for is to get everything uploaded to SOAP, and for the other outlets to then get their footage from that one, central, location (SOAP). I really don't want to abandon the idea of having everything on SOAP. With a Mozilla plug-in (Download Them all) its really not that hard to get the footage from SOAP's site, once its up.
Again--did BAE give you guys the clearance to disseminate that? I'm getting my tape but I need to know this.
Kevin Kolodziej
07-03-2007, 00:45
IMPORTANT
When you go to encode in Windows Media Encoder, please select the option 'Deinterlace'. It is found in Properties -> Processing Tab.
This helps eliminate "liney" video when objects move rapidly.
Also, turn on Indexing.
See http://www.soap.circuitrunners.com/2007/2007.wme
Thanks,
KA-108 :cool:
Forgive my ignorance, but what are you supposed to do with that code file? I can't figure out what to do with it in WME9. Aside from the couple of options pointed out above, does that take care of everything else, such as naming conventions and all that jazz? If not, thats fine, since I planned on doing it all 2 minutes at a time anyways....so anything above that is gravy. Fortunately, it looks like my Dazzle capture device will work just fine to get those nice 740x480 .wmv files.
Forgive my ignorance, but what are you supposed to do with that code file? I can't figure out what to do with it in WME9. Aside from the couple of options pointed out above, does that take care of everything else, such as naming conventions and all that jazz? If not, thats fine, since I planned on doing it all 2 minutes at a time anyways....so anything above that is gravy. Fortunately, it looks like my Dazzle capture device will work just fine to get those nice 740x480 .wmv files.
It's a settings file. Double-click and it should launch WME9. There's some settings we prefer like the key-frames, the metadata, the bitrate for audio and video.... It does not take care of naming convention. That is manual. We've tried writting a tool to auto-name but it gets too complicated. Human control is just easier.
Thanks,
KA-108 :cool:
Regarding YouTube-
Yes, the current SOAP site lacks a search tool. If there's someone out there in the FIRST Community that would be willing to author a php / mysql website to do this, we'll gladly host it on the circuitrunner site.
KA-108 :cool:
Regarding YouTube-
Yes, the current SOAP site lacks a search tool. If there's someone out there in the FIRST Community that would be willing to author a php / mysql website to do this, we'll gladly host it on the circuitrunner site.
KA-108 :cool:
I use Auto index (http://autoindex.sourceforge.net/) on my teams website (http://video.team2015robotics.com/) for past and present video. Auto index has a built in search and very small coding.
Mike Aalderink
Kevin Kolodziej
08-03-2007, 00:43
It's a settings file. Double-click and it should launch WME9. There's some settings we prefer like the key-frames, the metadata, the bitrate for audio and video.... It does not take care of naming convention. That is manual. We've tried writting a tool to auto-name but it gets too complicated. Human control is just easier.
Thanks,
KA-108 :cool:
Ah, yeah...now I feel silly. I was just opening it online and getting lines of code and thinking....er....???:ahh:
Now I understand!
Thanks,
Kevin
Bomberofdoom
09-03-2007, 11:06
If I can orginize some cams, I'll try to capture some matches(probablly it will only be our team's matches, but we'll try to film others).
Well the FLR is over but it may take me some time to digitize 6 video tapes worth of FLR. Also depends on hor you sort the activities into: Opening Ceremony, Matches, Closing Ceremony. I'll see after I get all the stuff from Ed on Monday night.
Say, does anyone have a video of Dean's robotic arm?
Anyone have a ETA on the rest of week 1? week 2?
Thanks,
KA
Anyone have a ETA on the rest of week 1? week 2?
Thanks,
KA
The PNW matches have been parsed; they now just need to be compressed and named according to convention. It may be a while still, though, because I have to worry about finishing some work up first and then we're away for the Silicon Valley Regional. We'll also be recording that event.
Pat Fairbank
11-03-2007, 22:24
Anyone have a ETA on the rest of week 1? week 2?
Thanks,
KA
The matches from the Great Lakes Regional were all successfully recorded by one of team 1503's members; however, I couldn't say how long it'll be before they are uploaded.
Kevin Kolodziej
11-03-2007, 22:25
Eliminations, award intro, and chairman's award are up for Wisconsin. The rest will be rolling in steadily until Wednesday, then I'm off to Purdue. Will hopefully finish up the rest before I head out to Cleveland the following week.
1359th Scalawag
11-03-2007, 22:40
*too lazy to read all 10 pages for something i'm not sure is there*
Does anybody know if the Pacific Northwest Regional was recorded or if we will eventually be able to view it somwhere? So far, i've only been able to find a single match on Youtube.
So here are my questions:
1. Does anybody know if it was recorded?
2. If so, where can I find the footage?
3. If not, are there any plans to tape it next year?
4. If there are no plans to tape it next year, how can I?
5. Is the Davis Sacramento Regional going to be recorded?
6. If not, how can I make it so?
Could somebody please PM me with the answers to some/all of these questions? Thank You.
theycallhimtom
11-03-2007, 22:45
*too lazy to read all 10 pages for something i'm not sure is there*
Does anybody know if the Pacific Northwest Regional was recorded or if we will eventually be able to view it somwhere? So far, i've only been able to find a single match on Youtube.
So here are my questions:
1. Does anybody know if it was recorded?
2. If so, where can I find the footage?
3. If not, are there any plans to tape it next year?
4. If there are no plans to tape it next year, how can I?
5. Is the Davis Sacramento Regional going to be recorded?
6. If not, how can I make it so?
Could somebody please PM me with the answers to some/all of these questions? Thank You.
if you look up there was a post about PNW
"The PNW matches have been parsed; they now just need to be compressed and named according to convention. It may be a while still, though, because I have to worry about finishing some work up first and then we're away for the Silicon Valley Regional. We'll also be recording that event."
1359th Scalawag
11-03-2007, 23:12
Ok I read that one but it didn't make sence to me for some reason. But still, where could I find the footage? And is the Davis Sacramento Regional going to be recorded?
Ok I read that one but it didn't make sence to me for some reason. But still, where could I find the footage? And is the Davis Sacramento Regional going to be recorded?
The footage is not available online yet. We're doing what we can to get it up as fast as possible.
Yes, the Davis Sacramento Regional is scheduled to be recorded. If you have the recording equipment, then you can record the regional as well, as a failsafe, just in case something happens.
M. Krass and 488 recorded the Pacific Northwest Regional, and has indicated that the raw footage has been parsed, and now needs to be compressed, and named.
The person who recorded in NJ had technical difficulties getting a recording, and so we are now waiting on the feed from team 177 (they did a webcast of NJ) to be parsed and graciously uploaded to soap by The Blue Alliance.
I'm not sure what is going on with the VCU video. I've heard that it was recorded, but that is all.
As for week 2's footage, I hope all is well.
The following is the list of regional coverage, as far as video recording goes. There are still regionals without recorders, so if anyone is going to those specific regionals and are interested in recording, then they should definitely think about volunteering.
BAE SYSTEMS Granite State Regional - J. Norris (record/parse)
NASA / VCU Regional - Rob2713g (record), chris31 (record)
New Jersey Regional - Alex Burman (record/parse)
Pacific Northwest Regional - M. Krass (record/parse)
St. Louis Regional - Dave Flowerday (record/parse), hill (record)
Arizona Regional - Donut (record/parse)
Bayou Regional - DeepWater (record)
Brazilian Pilot - Manoel (record/parse)
Finger Lakes Regional - Koko Ed (record), Ellery (parse)
Florida Regional - SOAP (record/parse)
Great Lakes Regional - SAV1337 (record/parse)
Los Angeles Regional - ay2b (record/parse)
Pittsburgh Regional - Noah K. (record), Tom B. (parse)
Wisconsin Regional - Kevin K (record/parse)
Boilermaker Regional - Mike AA (record/parse)
Chesapeake Regional - Alex Burman(record)
Detroit Regional -
Greater Kansas City Regional -
Midwest Regional - Dave Flowerday (record/parse)
Peachtree Regional -
Silicon Valley Regional - M. Krass (record/parse)
UTC Connecticut Regional - Art Dutra (record/parse)
New York City Regional - Noah K.(record), Tom B. (parse), SOAP (record/parse)
Boston Regional - SOAP (record/parse)
Buckeye Regional - Koko Ed (record), Ellery (parse)
San Diego Regional - ay2b (record/parse)
Waterloo Regional - J. Norris (record/parse), SAV1337 (record)
GM/Technion Israel Regional - David55 (record)
Colorado Regional -
Davis Sacramento Regional - Doug G (record/parse)
Greater Toronto Regional - J. Norris (record/parse), SAV1337(record)
Las Vegas Regional - SOAP(record/parse)
Lone Star Regional -
Palmetto Regional -
Philadelphia Regional -
SBPLI Long Island Regional -
West Michigan Regional - Mike AA (record/parse), Dave Flowerday (record/parse)
Sagar Vyas
11-03-2007, 23:18
Anyone have a ETA on the rest of week 1? week 2?
Thanks,
KA
The matches from the Great Lakes Regional were all successfully recorded by one of team 1503's members; however, I couldn't say how long it'll be before they are uploaded.
I'm working on ripping and encoding the content from Great Lakes Regional, should be done by middle or end of this week but could be later.
The Brazilian Pilot was partially recorded by 383 - the A/V company had a huge problem with their equipment in the last qualification matches. Even though they asked us to keep recording because they would need it later, they managed to shut down our computer so we lost the last matches as well.
Since the event was webcast, it was also recorded from another computer - we'll just have to wait and see if the quality is acceptable. In case it is usable, we'll also have the finals parsed.
Anyway, parsing of the recorded matches will start this week and we hope to have it ready before we travel to the US (March 22nd).
artdutra04
12-03-2007, 00:46
I *might* be able to manage something for UTC, such as a VCR, as it's something that I don't care if it goes for long periods of time unattended. I know I have the equipment and software to be able to capture RCA directly to hard drive(s) as MPEG2 at 720x480 resolution, but I wouldn't be able to oversee it all day... But once recorded, I can also parse the video.
Which also reminds me, would anyone be able to capture the UTC Webcast as well? That might be of a higher quality than VHS tapes depending on your available bandwidth.
Edit: Here's the link: http://shsrobotics.org/06/webcast/
Double Edit: 1000th post! woot
The following regionals will begin in the next day, and as yet, no one has volunteered to record them. Is there anyone going to these regionals that would be willing to record (and maybe parse into individual matches) the raw A/V feed from the production company?
Detroit Regional
Greater Kansas City Regional
Peachtree Regional
Is SOAP also recording/parsing Buckeye because I see they are webcasting the event.
Jonathan Norris
14-03-2007, 12:26
I would like to mention that if anyone has recorded video and doesn't have time to help parse it out, myself (and I am sure others) are willing to help you out. If you get it into a digital format i'll be glad to help split it up into matches and get it uploaded.
I would like to mention that if anyone has recorded video and doesn't have time to help parse it out, myself (and I am sure others) are willing to help you out. If you get it into a digital format i'll be glad to help split it up into matches and get it uploaded.
I second that.
-Mike Aalderink
Is SOAP also recording/parsing Buckeye because I see they are webcasting the event.
No. I'm not sure how our name got tagged onto San Diego or Buckeye. NASA is looking for someone to help with those as we speak, er type.
Good news though- I have found someone to webcast and archive both Canadian regionals.
KA-108 :cool:
SOAP -
Well the problem I have so far is that I am digitizing to mpeg(2Mb/sec) and then I have to batch convert it .wmv hopefully using Ulead Video Studeo to get the size down. My tuner card won't work with the Windows Media Encoder.
So what is the recommended configuration?
Resolution 640x480?
Compression?
Jonathan Norris
14-03-2007, 22:20
No. I'm not sure how our name got tagged onto San Diego or Buckeye. NASA is looking for someone to help with those as we speak, er type.
Good news though- I have found someone to webcast and archive both Canadian regionals.
KA-108 :cool:
Sagar and I were planning on recording Waterloo and GTR, but if we don't need to now its less work for us. :]
But if they need any help (whom ever it is), feel free to ask one of us.
Sagar and I were planning on recording Waterloo and GTR, but if we don't need to now its less work for us. :]
But if they need any help (whom ever it is), feel free to ask one of us.
His name is Steve Warren, originating from Team 188. Perhaps you can help encode each match as it happens, thus avoiding the need to parse later. You could also help upload the movies during the event.
KA-108
SOAP -
Well the problem I have so far is that I am digitizing to mpeg(2Mb/sec) and then I have to batch convert it .wmv hopefully using Ulead Video Studeo to get the size down. My tuner card won't work with the Windows Media Encoder.
So what is the recommended configuration?
Resolution 640x480?
Compression?
There's a WME config file at http://soap.circuitrunners.com/2007/2007.wme
The codecs are WM 9 series... maybe 10- whatever comes with the latest player/encoder programs.
In a nutshell: 720x480 (640x480 is ok too), ~800kbps video + ~40kbps audio, deinterlace, "2007 xxxxx Regional" metadata.
There's a great tool to convert video called "SUPER". I've used it to scale down some matches to fit on my Nextel i880. If you ever run into Dan Green from WildStang ask to see the Kickoff video on his phone.
Thanks,
KA-108 :cool:
Noah Kleinberg
15-03-2007, 10:18
The NASA site says that the New York City webcast is courtesy of team 108, could someone from the sigmacats tell me if they are archiving it also, or should I record it anyway?
Finger Lakes Regional, Qualifier #34:
http://1000islandsschools.org/FIRST/robot_reg.htm
The NASA site says that the New York City webcast is courtesy of team 108, could someone from the sigmacats tell me if they are archiving it also, or should I record it anyway?
We shipped the committee a laptop specifically for archiving. If you'll be there, perhaps you can offer to help... (please!!)
KA-108
Team 108: Thanks a ton for the video archives.
I found that for the Florida regional, there were quite a few missing videos.
Namely, my team 665's matches 2 and 25.
Is there anywhere with these matches?
Thanks for whatever you can do.
Team 665 -MAYHEM
Team 108: Thanks a ton for the video archives.
I found that for the Florida regional, there were quite a few missing videos.
Namely, my team 665's matches 2 and 25.
Is there anywhere with these matches?
Thanks for whatever you can do.
Team 665 -MAYHEM
hehe funny story. The team captured matches 1-3, but didn't realize that each time they were overwriting the previous file. The encoder option to ask before overwriting was disabled. Doh!
Sorry. If anyone from FL wants to send us a VHS of all our missing matches, I'll personally see to it they get encoded.
Thanks,
KA-108
Not to step on anyone's toes, but I'm uploading CT matches LiVE, (albeit slowly). I'll do this until Peachtree webcast URL gets announced.
Note, since I'm digitizing a webcast, I'd still expect someone later to upload higher quality from the event site.
Thanks!
KA-108 :cool:
Sagar Vyas
18-03-2007, 10:52
The 2007 Great Lakes Regional (http://www.soap.circuitrunners.com/2007/movies/gl/) has now been fully posted!
Ok Folks _ i just finished digitizing all of the Finger Lakes Regional Matches and they are in the process of being uploaded as I type. There's 1.17 GB total. This year's FLR was the year of the underdogs it seems. But either way great show from all teams.
triggerhappy336
18-03-2007, 18:24
Just fyi ellery, some rounds aren't uploading quite properly. If you notice rounds 6 and 10 stop during or right after the introductions. I mention those two specifically because those are 2228's first matches lol.
I'm not sure what would cause that but I'm sure someone will figure it out.
The first day or so of Arizona is digitized currently, we're double checking formats to make sure they're close to what SOAP wants since there's one person digitizing the matches and another one that will be uploading them.
Expect to see parts of Arizona come up this week.
hehe funny story. The team captured matches 1-3, but didn't realize that each time they were overwriting the previous file.
Oh well.
Thanks anyhow.
And matches 25-26 or 7 were missing too.
Lunch break?
<Not trying to be overly sarcastic.>
But the fact that the matches are there at all is awesome!
Thanks to all who worked hard to get the website working and videos uploaded!
Craig,
Yeah the FTP screwed up partway but they should be good now since I re-sent it. Enjoy!
Ellery
Craig,
Yeah the FTP screwed up partway but they should be good now since I re-sent it. Enjoy!
Ellery
Awww man!
I see that the tape ran out in the middle of finals 2.
I'll see if I can get a copy from the televised show.
Sorry.
Frinkahedron
19-03-2007, 09:44
Anyone know if the Chesapeake matches will be posted online? (And the rest of the VCU ones while you're at it :D)
Tom Bottiglieri
19-03-2007, 13:17
If someone can get me the login info, I can start uploading more UTC matches.
If someone can get me the login info, I can start uploading more UTC matches.
I'll PM you the details.
Thanks!!
KA-108
Kevin Sevcik
20-03-2007, 01:12
I'm planning on recording the video on site at Lonestar and I could parse it as well. I'll be recording to MPG on a Hauppage WinTV card. Is there a preferred final format for the video?
BAE SYSTEMS Granite State Regional - J. Norris (record/parse)
NASA / VCU Regional - Rob2713g (record), chris31 (record), parsers: Jonathan Norris, Pavan, Tom B.
New Jersey Regional - Alex Burman (record/parse)
Pacific Northwest Regional - M. Krass (record/parse)
St. Louis Regional - Dave Flowerday (record/parse), hill (record)
Arizona Regional - Donut (record/parse)
Bayou Regional - DeepWater (record/parse)
Brazilian Pilot - Manoel (record/parse)
Finger Lakes Regional - Koko Ed (record), Ellery (parse)
Florida Regional - SOAP (record/parse)
Great Lakes Regional - SAV1337 (record/parse)
Los Angeles Regional - ay2b (record/parse)
Pittsburgh Regional - Noah K. (record), Tom B. (parse)
Wisconsin Regional - Kevin K (record/parse)
Boilermaker Regional - Mike AA (record/parse)
Chesapeake Regional - Alex Burman(record)
Detroit Regional -
Greater Kansas City Regional -
Midwest Regional - Dave Flowerday (record/parse)
Peachtree Regional -
Silicon Valley Regional - M. Krass (record/parse)
UTC Connecticut Regional - Art Dutra (record/parse)
New York City Regional - Noah K.(record), Tom B. (parse), SOAP (record/parse)
Boston Regional - SOAP (record/parse)
Buckeye Regional - Koko Ed (record), Ellery (parse)
San Diego Regional - ay2b (record/parse)
Waterloo Regional - J. Norris (record/parse), SAV1337 (record)
GM/Technion Israel Regional - David55 (record)
Colorado Regional -
Davis Sacramento Regional - Doug G (record/parse)
Greater Toronto Regional - J. Norris (record/parse), SAV1337(record)
Las Vegas Regional - SOAP(record/parse)
Lone Star Regional - Kevin Sevcik (record/parse)
Palmetto Regional -
Philadelphia Regional -
SBPLI Long Island Regional -
West Michigan Regional - Mike AA (record/parse), Dave Flowerday (record/parse)
I'm planning on recording the video on site at Lonestar and I could parse it as well. I'll be recording to MPG on a Hauppage WinTV card. Is there a preferred final format for the video?
Hi, yes there is.. SOAP has a preference for WMV and the settings file is here: http://www.soap.circuitrunners.com/2007/2007.wme
I am in process throughout today uploading Boilermaker regional to my server.
video.team2015robotics.com (http://video.team2015robotics.com)
-Mike
2015
Greg Marra
20-03-2007, 15:36
Hi, yes there is.. SOAP has a preference for WMV and the settings file is here: http://www.soap.circuitrunners.com/2007/2007.wme
For some reason, it seems like the SOAP WMVs have broken indexes. I can not encode them straight to Flash Video using FFMPEG, but if I use the Windows Media File Editor to rebuild the index, it will convert to Flash Video.
It's weird, and forces me to batch encode to an intermediary AVI since the Windows Media File Editor won't batch rebuild indexes.
Either way, tons of video from SOAP is going up to The Blue Alliance Match Archive System (http://www.thebluealliance.net/tbatv/events.php) for online streaming and sort-by-team-ness. Thanks guys! I really miss my high speed connection at school though. 5.5 gigs there would take like an hour, and here it is going to take 8 :(.
For some reason, it seems like the SOAP WMVs have broken indexes. I can not encode them straight to Flash Video using FFMPEG, but if I use the Windows Media File Editor to rebuild the index, it will convert to Flash Video.
It's weird, and forces me to batch encode to an intermediary AVI since the Windows Media File Editor won't batch rebuild indexes.
Either way, tons of video from SOAP is going up to The Blue Alliance Match Archive System (http://www.thebluealliance.net/tbatv/events.php) for online streaming and sort-by-team-ness. Thanks guys! I really miss my high speed connection at school though. 5.5 gigs there would take like an hour, and here it is going to take 8 :(.
Hey, I'm glad the SOAP videos are helping you. Your concern with the wmv index is something for SOAP108 to address.
PS: What's the word on the video from NJ? I notice that's still not on the SOAP website..
Greg Marra
20-03-2007, 16:03
PS: What's the word on the video from NJ? I notice that's still not on the SOAP website..
SOAP has some big Quicktimes of the elims, but I'll push up the WMVs I have to soaphelp. They're not encoded by SOAP standards, but they ought to work fine.
SOAP has some big Quicktimes of the elims, but I'll push up the WMVs I have to soaphelp. They're not encoded by SOAP standards, but they ought to work fine.
Yes, I see that.. Ken also put up parsed webcast footage for the quals at UTC (Tom is the one that uploaded the elim videos, however). I think Ken intended for these to be place holders, while footage was being parsed/uploaded by whoever volunteered.
Greg Marra
20-03-2007, 16:16
Yes, I see that.. Ken also put up parsed webcast footage for the quals at UTC (Tom is the one that uploaded the elim videos, however). I think Ken intended for these to be place holders, while footage was being parsed/uploaded by whoever volunteered.
I had looked at the matches 1-19 that were posted earlier of UTC, and some were wrong. The scoring system said "match 19", but it didn't correspond to the 19th match indicated by FIRST's online match results. I'm not sure which one is correct...
Yes, I see that.. Ken also put up parsed webcast footage for the quals at UTC (Tom is the one that uploaded the elim videos, however). I think Ken intended for these to be place holders, while footage was being parsed/uploaded by whoever volunteered.
Yes. Go ahead and overwrite the webcast-captured files.
KA
For some reason, it seems like the SOAP WMVs have broken indexes. I can not encode them straight to Flash Video using FFMPEG, but if I use the Windows Media File Editor to rebuild the index, it will convert to Flash Video.
It's weird, and forces me to batch encode to an intermediary AVI since the Windows Media File Editor won't batch rebuild indexes.
Either way, tons of video from SOAP is going up to The Blue Alliance Match Archive System (http://www.thebluealliance.net/tbatv/events.php) for online streaming and sort-by-team-ness. Thanks guys! I really miss my high speed connection at school though. 5.5 gigs there would take like an hour, and here it is going to take 8 :(.
Just a guess, but some files were parsed out via asfchop.exe which may not have handled the indexing well.
Could you try a file known to be direct from WME? Such as the NYC matches.
I'm obviously not up to speed on flash and playback b4 full download. Could someone give a brief synopsis? I put a test swf file up at http://soap.circuitrunners.com/2007/ but it didnt do what I was hoping. This swf was created using SUPER.
Thanks!!
KA-108 :cool:
Please bear with me... As a computer nerd who started in the 70's :yikes: it takes me a bit to absorb all the latest trends... like video archiving.
But my experience tells me that unless these is a consistant search method to locate these competiton videos, they'll just get lost in the noise of Britney's FIRST drink after rehab.
Has anyone considered how to make these videos stand out? Is there a special keyword that has been assigned to make them easy to locate?
I tried looking on Google for regional videos and could find nothing usefull.... :mad:
How would a novice like me go about finding the neddle in the haystack if I wanted to locate the official Chesapeake regional videos?
Phil.
And what the heck is SOAP ? :confused:
Please bear with me... As a computer nerd who started in the 70's :yikes: it takes me a bit to absorb all the latest trends... like video archiving.
But my experience tells me that unless these is a consistant search method to locate these competiton videos, they'll just get lost in the noise of Britney's FIRST drink after rehab.
Has anyone considered how to make these videos stand out? Is there a special keyword that has been assigned to make them easy to locate?
I tried looking on Google for regional videos and could find nothing usefull.... :mad:
How would a novice like me go about finding the neddle in the haystack if I wanted to locate the official Chesapeake regional videos?
Phil.
And what the heck is SOAP ? :confused:
SOAP is "Sigmac@t Opponent Analysis Program," and is, more informally, the nice group of folks who host archived videos of FIRST competitions. They provide the hosting space and bandwidth required to maintain an archive of these matches in a single place.
http://soap.circuitrunners.com/2007/movies/
It doesn't appear that they have Chesapeake videos available yet.
Tom Bottiglieri
21-03-2007, 12:23
Please bear with me... As a computer nerd who started in the 70's :yikes: it takes me a bit to absorb all the latest trends... like video archiving.
But my experience tells me that unless these is a consistant search method to locate these competiton videos, they'll just get lost in the noise of Britney's FIRST drink after rehab.
Has anyone considered how to make these videos stand out? Is there a special keyword that has been assigned to make them easy to locate?
I tried looking on Google for regional videos and could find nothing usefull.... :mad:
How would a novice like me go about finding the neddle in the haystack if I wanted to locate the official Chesapeake regional videos?
You can look at The Blue Alliance Match Archives, or "TBAtv", located at www.thebluealliance.net/tbatv . You can look at videos and scores by event, or search for a team number in the top right hand corner. You can watch the video in streaming flash right on the page (like YouTube), or download the source file directly. Have fun!
Stu Bloom
21-03-2007, 13:08
SOAP is "Sigmac@t Opponent Analysis Program," and is, more informally, the nice group of folks who host archived videos of FIRST competitions. They provide the hosting space and bandwidth required to maintain an archive of these matches in a single place.
http://soap.circuitrunners.com/2007/movies/
It doesn't appear that they have Chesapeake videos available yet.I thought SOAP stood for "Scouting Opposition and Alliance Partners" ...
Oh well, its a FANTASTIC resource either way ...
I was just shown a video from the Manchester Regional urging people to upload everything to Youtube from Dean and some Youtube guy.
I was just shown a video from the Manchester Regional urging people to upload everything to Youtube from Dean and some Youtube guy.
It belongs in another thread but I'm too lazy- Does this request by DK and YT not totally sit well with anyone else? Does every match really belong on YT, or just promo stuff like Chairman's submissions, animations, etc...
Your thoughts...
KA-108
(Click_Here)
21-03-2007, 23:42
It's very likely that Team 578 is going to record and parse the phili regional because there is a strong interest in doing it. On monday I can tell you the final decision.
Greg Marra
22-03-2007, 10:15
It belongs in another thread but I'm too lazy- Does this request by DK and YT not totally sit well with anyone else? Does every match really belong on YT, or just promo stuff like Chairman's submissions, animations, etc...
Your thoughts...
KA-108
It is too hard to search youtube effectively, especially the way it is organized and returns mass search results. I think a more searchable useable community-maintained site is more appropriate. This is what The Blue Alliance is trying to do, and I think between us and SOAP we have the FIRST Match hosting stuff covered.
It belongs in another thread but I'm too lazy- Does this request by DK and YT not totally sit well with anyone else? Does every match really belong on YT, or just promo stuff like Chairman's submissions, animations, etc...
Your thoughts...
KA-108
Hey if Dean wants it there he can copy/paste the files to his harddrive and upload all the files to Youtube. He's free to do so. They're there for the taking.
It is too hard to search youtube effectively, especially the way it is organized and returns mass search results. I think a more searchable useable community-maintained site is more appropriate. This is what The Blue Alliance is trying to do, and I think between us and SOAP we have the FIRST Match hosting stuff covered.
True, FIRSTers will always do a better job than 3rd party because we know what we need / want.
Scoring system db integration is something we've been requesting for years...
I will have the ear of FIRST HQ this w/e and we'll see what sort of co-opertition is possible.
Wish me well...
KA-108 :cool:
I personally like being able to get directly to a specific year and specific regional with only one click. I dont have to search for the specific terminology then hope youtube pulls up the right videos. SOAP is SOOO much easier.
-Mike
2015
Astronouth7303
24-03-2007, 08:24
I can provide webspace for some clips, although I don't have the hardware to do much else.
My webhost is very generous with webspace ("Put the server to use"). It doesn't have impressive bandwidth, but it works. (I do prefer footage from 904's matches, since they are my team, but I'll host anything.)
PM me if you need space.
Jonathan Norris
24-03-2007, 21:50
I am uploading the waterloo footage as I cut it up, its only the archive from the webcast right now but we also have most of it recorded to dvd that will take a little longer to split up. For GTR next week we have a dedicated computer that is going to archive the video at a higher resolution than waterloo.
http://www.soap.circuitrunners.com/2007/movies/wat/
I had looked at the matches 1-19 that were posted earlier of UTC, and some were wrong. The scoring system said "match 19", but it didn't correspond to the 19th match indicated by FIRST's online match results. I'm not sure which one is correct...
I just saw this.. I believe that when the scorekeeper makes a change to the database, it gets sent at the time the change is made, so it may be out of sync with the match schedule. That is, not having the match numbers shown on the web display is annoying, and will cause confusion.
BAE SYSTEMS Granite State Regional - J. Norris (record/parse)
NASA / VCU Regional - Rob2713g (record), chris31 (record), parsers: Jonathan Norris, Pavan, Tom B.
New Jersey Regional - Alex Burman (record/parse)
Pacific Northwest Regional - M. Krass (record/parse)
St. Louis Regional - Dave Flowerday (record/parse), hill (record)
Arizona Regional - Donut (record/parse)
Bayou Regional - DeepWater (record/parse)
Brazilian Pilot - Manoel (record/parse)
Finger Lakes Regional - Koko Ed (record), Ellery (parse)
Florida Regional - SOAP (record/parse)
Great Lakes Regional - SAV1337 (record/parse)
Los Angeles Regional - ay2b (record/parse)
Pittsburgh Regional - Noah K. (record), Tom B. (parse)
Wisconsin Regional - Kevin K (record/parse)
Boilermaker Regional - Mike AA (record/parse)
Chesapeake Regional - Alex Burman(record/parse)
Detroit Regional -
Greater Kansas City Regional -
Midwest Regional - Dave Flowerday (record/parse)
Peachtree Regional -
Silicon Valley Regional - M. Krass (record/parse)
UTC Connecticut Regional - Art Dutra (record/parse)
New York City Regional - Noah K.(record), Tom B. (parse), SOAP (record/parse)
Boston Regional - SOAP (record/parse)
Buckeye Regional - Koko Ed (record), Ellery (parse)
San Diego Regional - ay2b (record/parse)
Waterloo Regional - J. Norris (record/parse), SAV1337 (record)
GM/Technion Israel Regional - David55 (record/parse)
Colorado Regional -
Davis Sacramento Regional - Doug G (record/parse)
Greater Toronto Regional - J. Norris (record/parse), SAV1337(record)
Las Vegas Regional - SOAP(record/parse)
Lone Star Regional - Kevin Sevcik (record/parse)
Palmetto Regional -
Philadelphia Regional - (Click_Here) (record/parse)
SBPLI Long Island Regional -
West Michigan Regional - Mike AA (record/parse), Dave Flowerday (record/parse)
Tom Bottiglieri
25-03-2007, 21:55
Scoring system db integration is something we've been requesting for years...
All we need is an XML or CSV feed from the scoring DB. The data is all available anyway, but its all put up in an inconsistent and hard to parse way.
All we need is an XML or CSV feed from the scoring DB. The data is all available anyway, but its all put up in an inconsistent and hard to parse way.
O/T:
Do you know if the DBs from the regionals are online somewhere?
I was going to run some numbers on the scores, but with the equal share of ramp points, rack points, and how different the exponential scoring is this year, as opposed to the "1 or 3 per" last year, the numbers would make even less sense.
Better yet, is there a scout from every regional that recorded the number ringers scored by each team there?
lukevanoort
25-03-2007, 22:00
Better yet, is there a scout from every regional that recorded the number ringers scored by each team there?
We'll have that data for Palmetto in a few days. (assuming the computer isn't dropped or something like that)
Sagar Vyas
25-03-2007, 22:15
high res version of the Waterloo Regionals will up soon, so again, please bare with the quality.
Chris Marra
25-03-2007, 23:53
O/T:
Do you know if the DBs from the regionals are online somewhere?
I was going to run some numbers on the scores, but with the equal share of ramp points, rack points, and how different the exponential scoring is this year, as opposed to the "1 or 3 per" last year, the numbers would make even less sense.
Better yet, is there a scout from every regional that recorded the number ringers scored by each team there?
I know that Jeff Rodriguez captured accurate data for at least Friday of UTC, and 1511 was running their amazing scouting program at Boston, so I'm sure they have it as well.
I just heard that there may have been a technical error down in Buckeye and nothing was recorded. I need to hear back Ed if that's true or not... If it is I was told some other teams may have had it recorded since there were other vcrs there too.
Please let me know which other teams recorded the Buckeye and hopefully they can do the conversion for everyone.
Since I wasn't there I was told QF4-2 and QF3 matches were the most exciting out of the whole regional. I really want to check them out if someone can post them.
Well cross our fingers :(
I just heard that there may have been a technical error down in Buckeye and nothing was recorded. I need to hear back Ed if that's true or not... If it is I was told some other teams may have had it recorded since there were other vcrs there too.
Please let me know which other teams recorded the Buckeye and hopefully they can do the conversion for everyone.
Since I wasn't there I was told QF4-2 and QF3 matches were the most exciting out of the whole regional. I really want to check them out if someone can post them.
Well cross our fingers :(
Everything I recorded was blank.
But I have all of day one's action thanks to team 48 (but Travis told me they usually don't record day 2. They record for scouting purposes).
I'm trying to get in contact with Dave Campbell from 1038 to get the day 2 action. There were like 9 teams recording action so somebody has it.
BTW-- if anyone wants to volunteer to capture one of the four open regionals this week (Colorado, SBPLI, Philadelphia, and Palmetto), then that would be great.. it looks like either way, once everyone who recorded uploads all their video, this will have been a great first year effort. 30/37?
I wanted to do SBPLI myself, since I'll be there, but I don't have the equipment. heh.
(Click_Here)
26-03-2007, 21:20
Ok, our team has officialy decided to go forth and record the philadelphia regional. We will try to tape everything including the awards. When we finish recording everything we will host it on our website for everyone to download.
Ok, our team has officialy decided to go forth and record the philadelphia regional. We will try to tape everything including the awards. When we finish recording everything we will host it on our website for everyone to download.
Great - hopefully your website will be able to handle the bandwidth draw.
I have been hosting mostly the FLR off my residential RoadRunner account and it lags my system pretty bad.
Tom Bottiglieri
26-03-2007, 22:06
Ok, our team has officialy decided to go forth and record the philadelphia regional. We will try to tape everything including the awards. When we finish recording everything we will host it on our website for everyone to download.
You might consider uploading it to SOAP108 and TBATV. People frequent these sites in search of match videos.
Greg Marra
26-03-2007, 22:15
Great - hopefully your website will be able to handle the bandwidth draw.
If anyone has more video than they can handle hosting, between The Blue Alliance (http://www.thebluealliance.net/tbatv/) and SOAP (http://soap.circuitrunners.com/) there is more than enough storage space and bandwidth to go around. If you have video you want to see online, PM me or someone from SOAP.
Kevin Kolodziej
27-03-2007, 01:23
Everything I recorded was blank.
But I have all of day one's action thanks to team 48 (but Travis told me they usually don't record day 2. They record for scouting purposes).
I'm trying to get in contact with Dave Campbell from 1038 to get the day 2 action. There were like 9 teams recording action so somebody has it.
I recorded both days, but I haven't checked my tapes yet. I should get a chance to do so tomorrow.
Kev
Kevin Kolodziej
27-03-2007, 01:41
I recorded both days, but I haven't checked my tapes yet. I should get a chance to do so tomorrow.
Kev
Hmmm....my tapes are blank too. Did we both screw up, or was there something wrong with the feed?
If anyone DID get all of the raw feed, I'd love to get a copy. Please PM me about it if you can help me out. The uploaded stuff will be great, but I'm looking for EVERYTHING.
Thanks,
Kev
Hmmm....my tapes are blank too. Did we both screw up, or was there something wrong with the feed?
If anyone DID get all of the raw feed, I'd love to get a copy. Please PM me about it if you can help me out. The uploaded stuff will be great, but I'm looking for EVERYTHING.
Thanks,
Kev
Don't worry, Kevin.
48's day 1 vids came out and they will be up soon.
We're uploading PNW videos now, but I'm not able to stream them or anything.
http://www.soap.circuitrunners.com/2007/movies/or/
Can someone take a look at one or more of the files and let me know if you're able to view them? I'm trying to pinpoint where the problem is and see if we can fix it. :)
We apologize if we broke SOAP.
We're uploading PNW videos now, but I'm not able to stream them or anything.
http://www.soap.circuitrunners.com/2007/movies/or/
Can someone take a look at one or more of the files and let me know if you're able to view them? I'm trying to pinpoint where the problem is and see if we can fix it. :)
We apologize if we broke SOAP.
I cannot download the files or stream them. I have been uploading boilermaker and tested my files and they seem to work right.
Boilermaker FINALS are up, I am at West Michigan and using GVSU's upload speed to get some more uploaded 200KB beats my 44KB but I wont have the rest done til tonight. Atleast everyone can see the Finals!
-Mike
We're uploading PNW videos now, but I'm not able to stream them or anything.
http://www.soap.circuitrunners.com/2007/movies/or/
Can someone take a look at one or more of the files and let me know if you're able to view them? I'm trying to pinpoint where the problem is and see if we can fix it. :)
We apologize if we broke SOAP.
I can't view the movies either. I get the following message when I try to view the movies (I'm using Safari): The requested URL /2007/movies/or/or_001.wmv was not found on this server.
Hope that helps.
Thanks, guys. We'll regroup and try to figure out exactly what it is that we broke. :)
Greg Marra
29-03-2007, 19:19
All of the Silicon Valley Regional matches on SOAP also yield 404's.
All of the Silicon Valley Regional matches on SOAP also yield 404's.
Yeah, we're aware of that, too. I guess we'll have to check with the nice folks of SOAP and figure out what we did wrong.
We're still looking for Buckeye Day 2 Videos - anybody else got them?
We're still looking for Buckeye Day 2 Videos - anybody else got them?
Getting copies from both 48 and 1038.
All matches from Arizona are finished, a few awards and ceremonies still have to get up but that's it.
We're uploading PNW videos now, but I'm not able to stream them or anything.
http://www.soap.circuitrunners.com/2007/movies/or/
Can someone take a look at one or more of the files and let me know if you're able to view them? I'm trying to pinpoint where the problem is and see if we can fix it. :)
We apologize if we broke SOAP.
SJ and OR have issues. Not sure why... The file permissions are ok.
Plenty of disc space left.. Please try to re-upload.
When I download via ftp, they play ok... hmm...
KA-108
SJ and OR have issues. Not sure why... The file permissions are ok.
Plenty of disc space left.. Please try to re-upload.
When I download via ftp, they play ok... hmm...
KA-108
We uploaded the last part of SVR matches this morning and they do not work, either, so I don't know if uploading the rest again will make any difference. Perhaps we'll have better luck if we try uploading from outside Microsoft, but we won't know until someone can get the drive from our lab and try it elsewhere.
Is the FTP access set up so that we don't have permission to download from your server? I tried to download the videos via FTP and couldn't do so.
Edited to add: I can download others via FTP, so there's something afoot with our videos or those directories. You were able to download them, however, so I wonder what it is that's making them unavailable to everyone else.
Thanks,
We uploaded the last part of SVR matches this morning and they do not work, either, so I don't know if uploading the rest again will make any difference. Perhaps we'll have better luck if we try uploading from outside Microsoft, but we won't know until someone can get the drive from our lab and try it elsewhere.
Is the FTP access set up so that we don't have permission to download from your server? I tried to download the videos via FTP and couldn't do so.
Edited to add: I can download others via FTP, so there's something afoot with our videos or those directories. You were able to download them, however, so I wonder what it is that's making them unavailable to everyone else.
Thanks,
I downloaded via FTP some of the matches, deleted match one then reuploaded it and its still not working right.
EDIT: For temporary sake if you put an additional or/ once you reach the or directory I put the videos there, so one could download from that spot.
-Mike
Greg Marra
31-03-2007, 10:44
SOAP -
Well the problem I have so far is that I am digitizing to mpeg(2Mb/sec) and then I have to batch convert it .wmv hopefully using Ulead Video Studeo to get the size down. My tuner card won't work with the Windows Media Encoder.
So what is the recommended configuration?
Resolution 640x480?
Compression?
I have a batch script that will use FFMPEG to reencode any non-WMV video to well compressed xVids. When I get back to my external hard drive later, I will post a link and instructions so anyone who needs to convert raw footage and can't get WME to work can use it.
Kevin Kolodziej
31-03-2007, 23:41
Whew, now that regionals are finished with, and I can return to a somewhat normal life, the remaining awards videos from Milwaukee should be posted in the next few days...but Thursday at the VERY latest!
lukevanoort
31-03-2007, 23:52
It turns out that we recorded most of Palmetto via VCR (I think we are missing some of the eliminations, and possibly a couple of matches when we switched tapes) I'll see if I can find a way to digitize it and such, but it probably won't be done by Atlanta (sorry), however, we should be able to get it on SOAP at some point.
It turns out that we recorded most of Palmetto via VCR (I think we are missing some of the eliminations, and possibly a couple of matches when we switched tapes) I'll see if I can find a way to digitize it and such, but it probably won't be done by Atlanta (sorry), however, we should be able to get it on SOAP at some point.
Fastest way to get VCR tapes transferred is to get a TV USB stick. They run around $90 at Best Buy.
Greg Marra
01-04-2007, 10:57
Fastest way to get VCR tapes transferred is to get a TV USB stick. They run around $90 at Best Buy.
There are cheaper solutions if you look around a bit. The USB converter SOAP uses runs closer to $50. Also, a MiniDV Camcorder can be used in "VCR" mode to capture in external video instead of just playing back what it contains. So if you have a camera lying around, don't go spend more money.
We uploaded the last part of SVR matches this morning and they do not work, either, so I don't know if uploading the rest again will make any difference. Perhaps we'll have better luck if we try uploading from outside Microsoft, but we won't know until someone can get the drive from our lab and try it elsewhere.
Is the FTP access set up so that we don't have permission to download from your server? I tried to download the videos via FTP and couldn't do so.
Edited to add: I can download others via FTP, so there's something afoot with our videos or those directories. You were able to download them, however, so I wonder what it is that's making them unavailable to everyone else.
Thanks,
Umm, yea-- the problem was that each of the files uploaded had whitespace before the name. For example, " or_001.wmv", rather than "or_001.wmv". I renamed the files, and everyone should now be able to view them.
Umm, yea-- the problem was that each of the files uploaded had whitespace before the name. For example, " or_001.wmv", rather than "or_001.wmv". I renamed the files, and everyone should now be able to view them.
I thought that looked odd and yes, now the files all work.
-Mike
I will have the Buckeye Day 1 matches 1-41 uploaded in the next few days and when I get the remaining matches for day 2 I will get them up as soon as I get them from Ed if he was able to pick a copy up this past weekend at GTR.
Kevin Sevcik
02-04-2007, 10:37
LSR Elims and two huge chunks of awards are up. qf1m1 was being a pain last night, so I'll be re-upping it in a bit. This would go a lot faster if someone had a recommendation of a good program to split an MPEG2 into a billion pieces. Only thing I've found that works well is TMPGEnc, but it's a tedious one at a time process.
LSR Elims and two huge chunks of awards are up. qf1m1 was being a pain last night, so I'll be re-upping it in a bit. This would go a lot faster if someone had a recommendation of a good program to split an MPEG2 into a billion pieces. Only thing I've found that works well is TMPGEnc, but it's a tedious one at a time process.
I have been using windows movie maker and it will automatically split the file into "chapters". For each set of 3-4 hours I do at a time I usually get around 700 "chapters".
-Mike
I will have the Buckeye Day 1 matches 1-41 uploaded in the next few days and when I get the remaining matches for day 2 I will get them up as soon as I get them from Ed if he was able to pick a copy up this past weekend at GTR.
Got the rest of the matches from Travis and company(AKA Delphi ELITE) at GTR last weekend (a good excuse to visit the regional). I will try to get them to Ellery ASAP!
Noah Kleinberg
02-04-2007, 15:35
Is anyone willing to take the VHS's of Pittsburgh from me in Atlanta to get them on a computer, parse them and upload them? I'd do it myself but I have no way to read the tapes.
I thought you and Tom B. worked something out. No dice on that?
BAE SYSTEMS Granite State Regional - J. Norris (record/parse)
NASA / VCU Regional - Rob2713g (record), chris31 (record), parsers: Jonathan Norris, Pavan, Tom B.
New Jersey Regional - Alex Burman (record/parse)
Pacific Northwest Regional - M. Krass (record/parse)
St. Louis Regional - Dave Flowerday (record/parse), hill (record)
Arizona Regional - Donut (record/parse)
Bayou Regional - DeepWater (record/parse)
Brazilian Pilot - Manoel (record/parse)
Finger Lakes Regional - Koko Ed (record), Ellery (parse)
Florida Regional - SOAP (record/parse)
Great Lakes Regional - SAV1337 (record/parse)
Los Angeles Regional - ay2b (record/parse)
Pittsburgh Regional - Noah K. (record), Tom B. (parse)
Wisconsin Regional - Kevin K (record/parse)
Boilermaker Regional - Mike AA (record/parse)
Chesapeake Regional - Alex Burman(record/parse)
Detroit Regional -
Greater Kansas City Regional -
Midwest Regional - Dave Flowerday (record/parse)
Peachtree Regional -
Silicon Valley Regional - M. Krass (record/parse)
UTC Connecticut Regional - Art Dutra (record/parse)
New York City Regional - Noah K.(record), Tom B. (parse), SOAP (record/parse)
Boston Regional - SOAP (record/parse)
Buckeye Regional - Koko Ed (record), Ellery (parse)
San Diego Regional - ay2b (record/parse)
Waterloo Regional - J. Norris (record/parse), SAV1337 (record)
GM/Technion Israel Regional - David55 (record/parse)
Colorado Regional -
Davis Sacramento Regional - Doug G (record/parse)
Greater Toronto Regional - J. Norris (record/parse), SAV1337(record)
Las Vegas Regional - SOAP(record/parse)
Lone Star Regional - Kevin Sevcik (record/parse)
Palmetto Regional -
Philadelphia Regional - (Click_Here) (record/parse)
SBPLI Long Island Regional -
West Michigan Regional - Mike AA (record/parse), Dave Flowerday (record/parse)
Noah Kleinberg
02-04-2007, 15:48
I thought you and Tom B. worked something out. No dice on that?
Hm I sent him a message a while ago but he didn't respond (and I didn't end up going to the regional where I was going to give them to him), I'll try again...
LightWaves1636
02-04-2007, 16:19
These videos are from Team 1583.
Colorado Regional
Preliminary Match:
Team 2250 spears a flying tube from the human player with their flag.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kwnkD4pA3OA
Finals Match 1:
No video yet. But this one was exciting. Team 1583 broke down because one of the negative terminals on the Power Distribution Blocks came loose and fell out. They broke down before the match even really get going. Team1636 automatically went onto defense between 2083 and 207 as much as possibe while 1515 would be slowly reloading their hook with a tube from the human player, 555 did as much scoring as possible. The buzzer rang and blue alliance lost 14 to 4.
Finals Match 2:
Red Alliance(207, 1515, and 2083) has won the first one, if the won this one, Blue would have automatically been eliminated. Team 1636 desperately tries to get onto the ramp of 1583 but couldn't because of a black spoiler tube. 1636 pushes and pushes and the spoiler tubes hops off the ramp and 1636 tips over backwards. 15s left and with the Blue alliance crowd thinking it was all over, 555 comes to rescue. Pushing 1636 out of the way and climbing up the ramp of 1583. Winning the match 32 to 34.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HF3_Bl0bxHo
Final Match 3:
1515 broke down. 1583 playing mean defense against the red alliance defense so that 555 and 1636 could score like crazy. With well over 35s, 1636 and 555 makes the ramp, 207 is still scoring as much as they can, but it just didn't cut it. 36 to 70.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lg9kMwBcruM
Travis Hoffman
02-04-2007, 20:20
Apparently Day 1, Matches 1-41 of Buckeye are up on SOAP - thanks to Ellery!
http://www.soap.circuitrunners.com/2007/movies/oh/
Jonathan Norris
02-04-2007, 20:30
got the elims of GTR up now, will finish all the matches this weekend hopefully....
http://www.soap.circuitrunners.com/2007/movies/on/
Apparently Day 1, Matches 1-41 of Buckeye are up on SOAP - thanks to Ellery!
http://www.soap.circuitrunners.com/2007/movies/oh/
Well 1 day done, 1 more to go. Thanks Travis for having a working copy of the Buckeye Regional. Now I have to catch up on my homework. :(
Ok I've got 60 GB of MPEG 2 video from Davis Regional and am currently parsing it out. I'm confused on how to best save the match videos. If I use straight mpeg2 they're 90 MB each. WMV, 640x480 is 40 MB each. I can get them down to 10-20 MB but the resolution drops to 320x280. I can't use MovieMaker because if freezes when you ask it to load 60 GB of video. I recorded it in MPEG 2 format using a Pinnacle USB thing and their associated program Studio 10.
Any suggestions??
Otherwise I'll be posting it up as 40 MB WMV files. Sorry to eat up your hard drive SOAP.
Chris Marra
02-04-2007, 22:14
Ok I've got 60 GB of MPEG 2 video from Davis Regional and am currently parsing it out. I'm confused on how to best save the match videos. If I use straight mpeg2 they're 90 MB each. WMV, 640x480 is 40 MB each. I can get them down to 10-20 MB but the resolution drops to 320x280. I can't use MovieMaker because if freezes when you ask it to load 60 GB of video. I recorded it in MPEG 2 format using a Pinnacle USB thing and their associated program Studio 10.
Any suggestions??
Otherwise I'll be posting it up as 40 MB WMV files. Sorry to eat up your hard drive SOAP.
You can see SOAP's reccomended WME configuration here:
http://soap.circuitrunners.com/2007/2007.wme
However, it might be a pain to have to run every video through WME individually, so I would just use the 40MB matches if I were you. Hard Drives are cheap these days, labor is not.
Greg Marra
02-04-2007, 22:32
Ok I've got 60 GB of MPEG 2 video from Davis Regional and am currently parsing it out. I'm confused on how to best save the match videos. If I use straight mpeg2 they're 90 MB each. WMV, 640x480 is 40 MB each. I can get them down to 10-20 MB but the resolution drops to 320x280. I can't use MovieMaker because if freezes when you ask it to load 60 GB of video. I recorded it in MPEG 2 format using a Pinnacle USB thing and their associated program Studio 10.
Any suggestions??
Otherwise I'll be posting it up as 40 MB WMV files. Sorry to eat up your hard drive SOAP.
I am working on a batch encoding script that will turn non-WMVs (such as MPEG2s (this is how we're getting Israel)) into pretty little xVids with zero labor. I am presently running into a little bit of trouble with the xVids playing back, which is weird because FLVs converted /from/ the xVids play just fine. Give me another week or so to work it out.
Kevin Sevcik
02-04-2007, 22:39
Ok I've got 60 GB of MPEG 2 video from Davis Regional and am currently parsing it out. I'm confused on how to best save the match videos. If I use straight mpeg2 they're 90 MB each. WMV, 640x480 is 40 MB each. I can get them down to 10-20 MB but the resolution drops to 320x280. I can't use MovieMaker because if freezes when you ask it to load 60 GB of video. I recorded it in MPEG 2 format using a Pinnacle USB thing and their associated program Studio 10.
Any suggestions??
Otherwise I'll be posting it up as 40 MB WMV files. Sorry to eat up your hard drive SOAP.
Doug,
I've run into a similar problem. The only solution I've found is to use TMPGEnc (http://www.tmpgenc.net) to parse files. You can use it to cut out individual matches from your MPGs. Instructions are here (http://www.videohelp.com/tmpgencedit.htm). I've then been using Blaze Media Pro (http://www.blazemp.com/) to batch encode to WMV, sine Windows Media Encoder is choking on my files for some reason. Finally, I've used Tag&Rename (http://www.softpointer.com/tr.htm) to batch edit the WMV's metadata.
Advice if you're going this route. TMPGEnc seeks to the cut point in the file before you cut. And you cut each match individually, so the seek time for matches at the end of a 3+ hour MPG gets to be significant. I've been cutting the large MPG into 1 hour chunks first and then parsing matches out of the 1 hour chunks. I've also been getting fancy and cutting out the results screen individually. You can then de-multiplex the video stream of the results, and multiplex the video stream back into an MPG to remove audio. And then merge the results to the end of the match file to get a silent results screen. Also, when cutting using the TMPGEnc MPEG Tools, you can advance and rewind the video 1 frame at a time using left + right arrow keys, or ~4 seconds at a time by clicking the slider bar left or right of the marker. You can also set the cut points while the clip is playing, which is useful for finding dead air so you don't cut into the middle of the MC announcing.
Yes, this method is a bit time consuming, but it's the only way I've found for splitting my MPEG files. If your Pinnacle software lets you more easily parse out matches into MPGs easily, you can probably just use Blaze MP to simply batch encode them to WMV, and then Tag&Rename to edit metadata. Also, I'm really jealous of you. At any rate, I'm planning on using the "NTSC video for Broadband (1500 kbps)" setting for the Elims, and the (768 kbps) setting for everything else. It seems a good balance.
SOAP is "Sigmac@t Opponent Analysis Program," and is, more informally, the nice group of folks who host archived videos of FIRST competitions. They provide the hosting space and bandwidth required to maintain an archive of these matches in a single place.
http://soap.circuitrunners.com/2007/movies/
It doesn't appear that they have Chesapeake videos available yet.
Major Thanks to 108... I was at the LV regional last week, and being the runner, the only good way to watch our matches was on the soap webcast...
and the soap people are more than just a nice group of people, they are an awesome bunch of people.
Kevin Kolodziej
04-04-2007, 01:32
The final few videos of the Wisconsin Regional are uploading as I type this. Enjoy!
Kev
Well thanks to Travis from team 48, I have the Pittsburgh regional video converted from VHS (the FIRST feed) elimination rounds, to digital. I used my TV in card and ran the VCR through it to capture in MPEG format. Windows XP has that nice little "Movie Maker" program that allows you to import the MPEGs, edit and add effects then save as a .WMV file ready to upload to SOAP for the CD community. My dilemma is finding the link on SOAP to start uploading. Anybody use their site and can direct me to the link to upload ???
THANKS again Travis ! ! !
Joe J.
Travis Hoffman
04-04-2007, 07:33
Well thanks to Travis from team 48, I have the Pittsburgh regional video converted from VHS (the FIRST feed) elimination rounds, to digital. I used my TV in card and ran the VCR through it to capture in MPEG format. Windows XP has that nice little "Movie Maker" program that allows you to import the MPEGs, edit and add effects then save as a .WMV file ready to upload to SOAP for the CD community. My dilemma is finding the link on SOAP to start uploading. Anybody use their site and can direct me to the link to upload ???
THANKS again Travis ! ! !
Joe J.
You're welcome! I'm glad the videos came out ok. Thank YOU for digitizing them for the community.
I'm sure someone will contact you very shortly on uploading to SOAP, but you also have YouTube and Google Video as additional upload destinations. It doesn't hurt to keep pushing FIRST video out into the public domain!
Well thanks to Travis from team 48, I have the Pittsburgh regional video converted from VHS (the FIRST feed) elimination rounds, to digital. I used my TV in card and ran the VCR through it to capture in MPEG format. Windows XP has that nice little "Movie Maker" program that allows you to import the MPEGs, edit and add effects then save as a .WMV file ready to upload to SOAP for the CD community. My dilemma is finding the link on SOAP to start uploading. Anybody use their site and can direct me to the link to upload ???
THANKS again Travis ! ! !
Joe J.
Joel J has all the login info ready for you.
*** We have reached our current limit of 35 GB. THANKS JOEL! I'll contact our host to bump up the quota so we can finish some regionals, and of course Championship.
**** In March we had over 1.5 TB of downloads!!! This is easily a new FIRST record. THANKS FRC COMMUNITY.
KA-108 :cool:
hipsterjr
05-04-2007, 08:24
Will there be any video from the Palmetto Regional avaliable soon? Can't find any and just wondering
lukevanoort
05-04-2007, 15:08
Will there be any video from the Palmetto Regional avaliable soon? Can't find any and just wondering
It won't be for a while unless someone else has it. I still need to get my hands on our tapes, so I can get them to my aunts house for digitizing, and then parse them.
Joe Ross
07-04-2007, 14:49
Some of the matches for the San Diego Regional on SOAP are off by one.
The match that is labled #30 is really #29. From that point, they are off by 1 until match 61. After that they are correct again.
The match labeled 29 is really 61.
See Greg's post below...
Greg Marra
07-04-2007, 15:04
Some of the matches for the San Diego Regional on SOAP are off by one.
The match that is labled #30 is really #29. From that point, they are off by 1 until match 61. After that they are correct again.
The match labeled 29 is really 61.
It would seem that the quick solution would be for someone with SOAP FTP access to rename the files correctly. However, they still have the wrong match numbers for the results at the end, so eventually it would seem that they would need to be reparsed.
Do not rename the videos, it is more likely a problem with FIRSTs scoring system. I will update this on TBA later today, but FIRSTs scoring system does a really poor job coordinating what is what. Unless the videos themselves say they are a different match, it is probably FIRSTs problem.
Travis Hoffman
07-04-2007, 19:25
Has SOAP expanded its storage capacity? I know there are people waiting to upload vids from Pittsburgh, Buckeye, and Greater Toronto yet.
Kevin Sevcik
07-04-2007, 19:32
Has SOAP expanded its storage capacity? I know there are people waiting to upload vids from Pittsburgh, Buckeye, and Greater Toronto yet.
Empirical investigation says no. So I'd guess we'll have to wait at least until monday. I'm still waiting to upload the second half of LSR quals and re-upload the awards, etc.
mtaman02
07-04-2007, 19:52
There are cheaper solutions if you look around a bit. The USB converter SOAP uses runs closer to $50. Also, a MiniDV Camcorder can be used in "VCR" mode to capture in external video instead of just playing back what it contains. So if you have a camera lying around, don't go spend more money.
My Canon MiniDV Camcorder works extremely well when recording off the FIRST feed. If I had known you guys needed help getting some footage done I would have lent a hand at the local regionals I attended. I'll keep this camcorder handy for next year. The program I use to capture the video from the camcorder to my PC is Intervideo DVD Creator 8 Plat. Which I think converts it to MPEG or something like that (must go check when I get a new firewire cable). Anyways I'll keep in touch. I know SOAP has got there own area for championships but if you need help w/ anything find me on archimedes or in the area I'll have my Canon w/ me setting up in the Archimedes Field.
Billfred
07-04-2007, 20:01
Will there be any video from the Palmetto Regional avaliable soon? Can't find any and just wondering
I spoke with Donn Griffith following the event. Turns out that University Instructional Services, who coordinated one end of the webcast, made a copy as well, which is currently heading to 34 for parsing and uploading. I know absolutely nada past that.
Sagar Vyas
07-04-2007, 20:31
I'll upload the good quality videos from Waterloo Regional as soon as I'm done editing (so dreadful.. argh) and when SOAP increase their quota.
1359th Scalawag
07-04-2007, 20:35
I have some questions about Soap.
1. For the Davis Regional, i've found the second day of qualification matches and finals but does anybody have the first day of qualifications recorded?
2. I noticed that there's room on Soap for awards videos. Are there any plans to get those uploaded?
3. Are the videos downloadable? It would really help us to be able to use some of the footage for a video on how this season went for us.
And thanks for all the awesome videos!:D
Chris Marra
07-04-2007, 21:32
Anyone looking to upload match videos (sounds like Waterloo, Pittsburgh, Buckeye, and Greater Toronto), feel free to send either myself or Greg Marra a PM, IM, E-mail, or other form of electronic communication. We can set you up with an FTP account to put them on The Blue Alliance website.
Due to the SOAP overload as of Thursday I will start uploading the remaining Buckeye stuff to theBlueAlliance.net - FYI the day 2 tapes we got, Thanks to whoever gave them to Ed, but the audio quality is poor. Also due to my group paper that's due this Friday I got everything except for matches 68-80.
Some of the matches for the San Diego Regional on SOAP are off by one.
The match that is labled #30 is really #29. From that point, they are off by 1 until match 61. After that they are correct again.
The match labeled 29 is really 61.
See Greg's post below...
Are you sure? I just double checked my copy and the match labeled 30 is match 30. At the end the anouncer says "that ends match number thirty", and then I have the score from match 30. The teams in the score card match the teams that were playing. I'm going off of what I have locally; I have not downloaded the match from SOAP. It seems unlikely, however that a file would have gotten renamed in the upload process (since I just do "mput *").
Also, I have the rest of the SDC matches, but I'm waiting for more disk space to be available on soap in order to be able to upload them.
--AJY
I know this thread is "Coordinated Regional Video Archiving", but are there any coordinated plans for Championship Video Archiving?
I will be there and will record one of the fields. I don't know which one yet; it'll probably depend on which one I'm working on.
Yea, SOAP will be archiving the Championship Event (all fields, including Einstein).
Travis Hoffman
08-04-2007, 05:33
Due to the SOAP overload as of Thursday I will start uploading the remaining Buckeye stuff to theBlueAlliance.net - FYI the day 2 tapes we got, Thanks to whoever gave them to Ed, but the audio quality is poor. Also due to my group paper that's due this Friday I got everything except for matches 68-80.
I think the original tape had audio issues when I did the dubbing - not sure if it was a bad VCR audio connection at the event or FIRST's audio was a bit messed up. Luckily the visuals are ok.
CD community!!!! I have the Elimination matches from Pittsburgh and Detroit Regionals, I want to get them on to the Blue Alliance's web page but I need the FTP access. I chatted with Chris Marra from BA but I couldn't get the access to work. I could get to the FTP directory for Buckeye and GTR but it wouldn't allow me to make another folder... Any help would go a long way for all looking for the 2 regional events still missing...
Joe J. FRC team 123
Chris Marra
08-04-2007, 23:03
Joe,
Greg should contact you with details on how to get everything up properly. Sorry I had to run off this morning, but I have a lot of work to do pre-nationals.
With the exception of matches 68-80 of Buckeye, Ellery got me the rest of the regional, it is available for download, and I am working on encoding them for the Flash Player. It is true though, some parts of Buckeye have poor audio quality, and some matches have washed out video. Stupid VCRs, why didn't anyone record in Beta? GTR also has additional qualifiers available for download now, thanks to Jonathan Norris.
Pavan Dave
08-04-2007, 23:18
Thanks to Kevin, I was able to host matches 47-81 off of FirstTube.
http://firsttube.org/pavan/lsr/
If you would like (Soap/TBA) you can link to the previous vids rather than host them yourselves for a little bit. I am also willing to host up to about two gigs off of my personal hosts if you would like/need.
Pavan.
Joe Ross
08-04-2007, 23:21
Are you sure? I just double checked my copy and the match labeled 30 is match 30. At the end the anouncer says "that ends match number thirty", and then I have the score from match 30. The teams in the score card match the teams that were playing. I'm going off of what I have locally; I have not downloaded the match from SOAP. It seems unlikely, however that a file would have gotten renamed in the upload process (since I just do "mput *").
Also, I have the rest of the SDC matches, but I'm waiting for more disk space to be available on soap in order to be able to upload them.
--AJY
As Greg mentioned, it appears that the Match List on the FIRST website is incorrect and not the videos. Sorry for the false alarm.
Kevin Sevcik
09-04-2007, 01:14
I think the original tape had audio issues when I did the dubbing - not sure if it was a bad VCR audio connection at the event or FIRST's audio was a bit messed up. Luckily the visuals are ok.Just realized I should give people a heads up about this, since I have a reasonable idea what happened. LSR looked to be having a similar issue. While I was ducked behind the video table setting up my computer to record, a mentor from another team asked if I could fix the audio at the table. There was next to nothing coming out of the monitor speaker, but strangely, the audio would come back if I shook the speaker and/or table. Long story short (haha, wait for it):
Our AV crew split out the audio in about the worst way possible. They ran the field feed through an equalizer and ground lift, then into one of the ugliest AV hacks I've seen. A single audio feed was run into a panel of 3 pin connectors. All the 3-pins were wired in parallel. So pin 1 of the first connector was connected to all the other pin 1s, etc. Out of this was a spaghetti of 3-pin to RCA adapter cables. This is the equivalent of stacking up a ton of those headphone splitters till you have enough outputs. This does two things. First, the audio level drops by 3 dB every time the number of VCRs connected doubles. So if 8 teams are recording, the audio drops 9 dB. Only bad if you set up your levels and then 15 other teams hook up behind you. The more important consequence is that if a single one of those RCA to 3-pin cables gets shorted out, everyone loses audio. At LSR, a single one of these RCAs ended up shoved under a DVD recorder and was shorting.
I, personally, saw this kind of thing coming and had already rigged up an adapter cable to come out a spare output on the EQ. But that was a bit of an expert move only recommended for people that know what balanced audio is and the potential problems it can cause.
My recommendations for those of you stuck with what FIRST gives you is to look in the back of the AV rack briefly and see if all your audio is coming out of a horrible thing where all the backs of the connectors are wired together. If so, I'd wander by the AV station before anything important happens and make sure you have audio. If not, check all the RCA connectors and make sure one isn't shorting out. If you have someone to spare to stand by the AV station and help everyone out, have that person unplug all cables coming out of the horrible paralleled panel, and connect cables back into the panel only as needed.
Ok, not quite as brief as I thought it would be, but still. If audio was fine one day and crappy the next, I'd lay good odds that one of those spare RCAs was shorting somewhere. And I'd watch out for the exact same problem in Atlanta.
Well just to give some clarification we had no issues recording at FLR, and Buckeye day 1 from Travis, but Buckeye day 2 audio was definitely not balanced. But oh well now we know better to double check.
As far as Buckeye matches 68-80 I'm sorry I won't have time during the week to do them but I figured I did enough of them to give a good feel of how things went. As you know school work comes first! I will eventually get the rest up if anyone is really interested though.
If your still interested, we in the process of acquiring more laptops for video encoding. This year we mailed out some laptops and video capture devices to some teams to encode the videos for us (SOAP). It was a good experience for all those involved. Encoding the individual matches in real-time is much better than watching a VHS tape and doing it that way.
It is our goal to webcast and archive ALL regionals next year. If you are interested in helping let me know. You can stop by the SOAP area in Atlanta if you like.
Good luck at the Championship!!!
-SOAP
kathimm1
12-04-2007, 08:50
did anyone record the drexel regionals in phili who is going to put them up sometime. cause i would like to watch. if anyone who recorded it isnt going to put them up and would be willing to mail them to me please pm me. or u can reach me at yahoo messanger,gmail,msn messanger, or email
yahoo email-kathimm@yahoo.com
msn and regular-09thimmk@wcasd.net
gmai-kthimm1@gmail.com
Thanks
Krista
(Click_Here)
14-04-2007, 22:55
I have the tapes and I found out that they were recorded on a lp mode vcr. As a result the videos don't appear on a standard ep/sp vcr. I'm currently trying to do what I can to get the lp vcr the regional was recorded on in my possession. And I'm happy of everyones kindness waiting patiently.
What I can do tommorow is get the raw footage taken by the team from a camera on the website.
Ok,
Last week or two, SOAP (http://soap.circuitrunners.com) ran out of space on their server and had to remove some matches from regionals. Some times they go offline during the summer during rewriting the website. The Bluealliance's (http://thebluealliance.net) website is nice and a little different to navigate, although it shows the teams involved in each match. I have setup a server with 2GB connection and plenty of harddrive space to store the 2007 and past and future archives. I plan to leave the website up and make it VERY easy to browse.
The next video archive website is firstvideoarchive.com (http://firstvideoarchive.com)
I am in the process of uploading all video I have but soon I should have everything online.
-Mike AA
Team 2015
Tom Bottiglieri
19-04-2007, 15:14
Ok,
Last week or two, SOAP (http://soap.circuitrunners.com) ran out of space on their server and had to remove some matches from regionals. Some times they go offline during the summer during rewriting the website. The Bluealliance's (http://thebluealliance.net) website is nice and a little different to navigate, although it shows the teams involved in each match. I have setup a server with 2GB connection and plenty of harddrive space to store the 2007 and past and future archives. I plan to leave the website up and make it VERY easy to browse.
The next video archive website is firstvideoarchive.com (http://firstvideoarchive.com)
I am in the process of uploading all video I have but soon I should have everything online.
-Mike AA
Team 2015
I'm not exactly sure if there is a reason for this. There are already 2 sites dedicated to archiving videos.
lukevanoort
19-04-2007, 15:23
I'm not exactly sure if there is a reason for this. There are already 2 sites dedicated to archiving videos.
Actually, Mike's site predates TBA Match Archives. He's improving one that has been in existence of a while.
Kevin Kolodziej
21-04-2007, 16:22
Anyone from Soap, TBA, or other: Did anyone record the practice matches from the Curie field by any chance? We (1675) normally had someone out there recording, but for our first practice match (match #5), our video person wasn't available. We had an error in our code and would love to include the hilarity of practicing without being to move forward or backward in our end of the year stuff. If anyone has this recorded, please PM me so I can get it from you by any means.
Thanks,
Kevin
Actually, Mike's site predates TBA Match Archives. He's improving one that has been in existence of a while.
Space/bandwidth will not be an issue next year, I promise. I may even get to upload everything since 2000 to our new home.
A little more patience is all we need.
Thanks!
KA-108
Anyone from Soap, TBA, or other: Did anyone record the practice matches from the Curie field by any chance? We (1675) normally had someone out there recording, but for our first practice match (match #5), our video person wasn't available. We had an error in our code and would love to include the hilarity of practicing without being to move forward or backward in our end of the year stuff. If anyone has this recorded, please PM me so I can get it from you by any means.
Thanks,
Kevin
SOAP almost never records practice matches, Curie is no exception. Sorry.
KA
1359th Scalawag
22-04-2007, 16:21
For the Davis Sacramento Regional, Soap has posted everthing after match 52. (second day of qualifying and Finals) Does anybody know where I can find the matches before #52 and the award ceremonies for the Davis Sacramento Regional?
Freddy Schurr
22-04-2007, 17:00
How about the Philadelphia Regional?
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