View Full Version : Reputation Dots Enhancements
Brandon Martus
10-12-2006, 12:44
"They're just dots .." is my opinion, but I've heard a lot of suggestions on making more dots, changing the values, etc.
What about this hack:
This hack extends the existing reputation display system from just the light/dark green dots to green and golden dots, and then golden stars as the dots limit is reached.
The dark green dots are followed by light green dots, which are then followed by 'golden' dots. When the limit these can display is reached, the display is prefixed by a golden Star, and started again. If your reputation is zero then the neutral grey pip is displayed. Negative reputations are displayed in a similar manner using light and dark red dots and stars.
The idea sounds good.. can't see those images. Will the points be reset?
Brandon Martus
10-12-2006, 12:47
The idea sounds good.. can't see those images. Will the points be reset?
I've attached the images.
And, we'll keep the points the same as they are now.
This is a very simple hack to install, so after a week of it, we can take it out just as easily if it is something we grow to dislike.
Rohith Surampudi
10-12-2006, 12:48
Im game, looks like fun
JaneYoung
10-12-2006, 12:50
*ears perk up*
stars? :)
Billfred
10-12-2006, 12:50
I'd say go for it. It doesn't do anything except increase the publicly-viewable detail of the data that already exists but can only currently be determined through relative means. (For example, I have just as many dots as Andy Baker. I don't know how many points he has, and the only way I know I have less than him is through sorting the member list by reputation.)
(Of course, it wouldn't surprise me to find out Andy Baker has infinite rep.)
Andrew Blair
10-12-2006, 12:50
Haha, what I'd really like to see is some more phrases. Don't really care if there are more dots or not (they're just dots!), but I would like seeing a wider variety of the sayings when you rollover. (i.e- Andy Baker had this much rep two years ago, etc.)
Brandon Martus
10-12-2006, 12:52
Haha, what I'd really like to see is some more phrases. Don't really care if there are more dots or not (they're just dots!), but I would like seeing a wider variety of the sayings when you rollover. (i.e- Andy Baker had this much rep two years ago, etc.)
Come up with some (make a new thread, get community input, etc) and I'll implement it if they look good.
Tom Bottiglieri
10-12-2006, 14:52
Sounds cool. Now I'll have to get a wide screen monitor for all of Baker's gold stars.
Doesn't matter to me. Why give people more reason to judge or brag. My vote is leave it as it is.
I voted no, because I think the stars look pretty tacky. I like compact graphics, and those stars seem too big and cluttered.
Maybe keep the dots, but have different colored dots. Like when you have full green dots you get 1 pink dot and when you have full pink dots you get 1 blue dot and so people can still get more reputation points, and it doesn't clutter the screen with big stars...
Jonathan Norris
10-12-2006, 16:51
I voted no, because I think the stars look pretty tacky. I like compact graphics, and those stars seem too big and cluttered.
I agree that the stars are tacky, I am sure someone can photoshop up a smaller better looking star. But I think the idea of increasing the reputation points is great. As it stands right now there are 200+ people with full reputation bars, and when a new student comes to the site there should be a difference in reputation between the 200+ dedicated posters and Dave Lavery and Andy Baker. Maybe that means adding just those gold dots, and not the stars.
I voted no, because I think the stars look pretty tacky. I like compact graphics, and those stars seem too big and cluttered.
I had that problem, but then figured that graphics could easily be changed.. for example, gold dots instead of stars, and then two shades of green, as before.
blah.
Billfred
10-12-2006, 16:52
Maybe keep the dots, but have different colored dots. Like when you have full green dots you get 1 pink dot and when you have full pink dots you get 1 blue dot and so people can still get more reputation points, and it doesn't clutter the screen with big stars...
Are they that big? I'd think that the WAIs and avatars would still dictate the size of the postbit for anyone with their text sizes set to a reasonable level.
JaneYoung
10-12-2006, 17:03
I'm going to say something unpopular here most likely.
Dave Lavery and Andy Baker are two of our outstanding FIRST role models and the posts that they make in CD consistently reflect why they are. I'm not so sure FIRST role models necessarily want to be set apart but rather want to be a part of their community, helping members to grow and achieve gold stars. As long as the process is attainable for any who strive, it is a good thing. If it causes separatism and elitism, perhaps not.
Joe Matt
10-12-2006, 17:12
I'm going to say something unpopular here most likely.
Dave Lavery and Andy Baker are two of our outstanding FIRST role models and the posts that they make in CD consistently reflect why they are. I'm not so sure FIRST role models necessarily want to be set apart but rather want to be a part of their community, helping members to grow and achieve gold stars. As long as the process is attainable for any who strive, it is a good thing. If it causes separatism and elitism, perhaps not.
Agree, and also think we shoulnd't have names in the phrases for reputation too, as it also goes into what Jane said.
As for the stars issue, how about: light green > dark green > gold/silver > plantinum/gold dots instead?
Are they that big? I'd think that the WAIs and avatars would still dictate the size of the postbit for anyone with their text sizes set to a reasonable level.
Well, actually I don't know the exact size, but when looking at the image that was attached the star is about 3 reputation bars wide (about 24px wide), they just look big. But I like Joe's idea too.
Michelle Celio
10-12-2006, 17:33
I voted for it, mainly because it extends the rep dots. I don't all that care for the stars, but it would be nice to see more dots with different colors, just to mix things up a bit. But like Brandon has said, they're just dots.
I say, do what ever is easiest for Brandon. With all he's done for the forums, little dots and stars should be the last thing on his mind.
raymaniac
10-12-2006, 17:49
I think it's a good idea. If you change the stars to something else, I say it's great.
Brandon Martus
10-12-2006, 17:50
I had that problem, but then figured that graphics could easily be changed.. for example, gold dots instead of stars, and then two shades of green, as before.Yeah -- changing hte graphics is easy ... but not as easy as installing (or uninstalling) this plugin.
You agitatin' my dots?
(aww, c'mon, you know it just had to be said...)
You agitatin' my dots?
(aww, c'mon, you know it just had to be said...)
I was trying to show a little self-restraint. :)
Erin Rapacki
11-12-2006, 11:01
I voted for it; but my bet is it'll start another 'reputation race' choreographed by 10 people in a 2am chat room collaborating to see who can get the most stars.
Hey, CD addicts gotta do something at night before kickoff starts.
Elgin Clock
11-12-2006, 12:02
So.. I like the idea, but let's hack it even more!!!
When the dot limit is reached the first time throw up a Red triangle.
When the dot limit is reached the second time throw up a White circle.
When the dot limit is reached the third time throw up a Blue square.
You see where I'm going with this right?? :yikes:
Then after the logo is complete per-say, then start with the gold stars.
Greg Needel
11-12-2006, 12:43
You agitatin' my dots?
absolutely...
Brandon in all seriousness I would rather see the spell check back then more dots but don't really care either way about the dots.
Richard Wallace
11-12-2006, 12:54
Dots? We ain't go no dots! We don't need no dots! We don't have to show you any stinking dots!
-- apologies to B. Traven and John Huston (1948)
Elgin Clock
11-12-2006, 12:58
</me> motions to stop calling the rep point icons "dots" and start calling them "CD Freckles". :D *
Freckles ftw!!!*
*Green freckles.. but.. freckles none-the-less. :rolleyes:
Greg Needel
11-12-2006, 13:02
</me> motions to stop calling the rep point icons "dots" and start calling them "CD Freckles". :D *
Without spell check I don't think I can handel that.
JaneYoung
11-12-2006, 13:04
- oh dear -
Will it be January soon?
Richard Wallace
11-12-2006, 13:06
Will it be January soon?Not soon enough.;)
Tom Bottiglieri
11-12-2006, 14:03
Without spell check I don't think I can handel that.
Firefox 2.0!
Cody Carey
11-12-2006, 14:42
http://img451.imageshack.us/img451/1904/reputationsuperposqe7.gifhttp://img451.imageshack.us/img451/1904/reputationsuperposqe7.gifhttp://img451.imageshack.us/img451/1904/reputationsuperposqe7.gifhttp://img451.imageshack.us/img451/1904/reputationsuperposqe7.gifhttp://img451.imageshack.us/img451/1904/reputationsuperposqe7.gif
Something like plain gold bars might look elegant...
http://img451.imageshack.us/img451/1904/reputationsuperposqe7.gifhttp://img451.imageshack.us/img451/1904/reputationsuperposqe7.gifhttp://img451.imageshack.us/img451/1904/reputationsuperposqe7.gifhttp://img451.imageshack.us/img451/1904/reputationsuperposqe7.gifhttp://img451.imageshack.us/img451/1904/reputationsuperposqe7.gif
Something like plain gold bars might look elegant...
Anyone else think that yellow is a bad color?
Yellow/red generally signify less than positive. Since red is negative, yellow would seem less negative, but not positive.
Pavan Dave
11-12-2006, 15:31
Firefox 2.0!
FF2 all the way.
Also, I think the reputation bars are great the way they are but maybe, just maybe, they can go from Dark Green - Light Green than whan you max that out, you go from dark to light yellow than when you reach your max rep you go from dark to bright orange, since this is Delphi and your colors are orange.
Pavan
Kevin Kolodziej
11-12-2006, 15:37
I voted yes, because I'm a sucker for pretty graphics...but I really don't think it matters. I like to see the forum keep evolving and I think its a neat feature, and I do like the idea mentioned above about using the FIRST logo, but then again it takes a while to fill up a reputation bar so you'll have a bunch of users running around with half completed FIRST logos and that might not be such a good thing.
Cody Carey
11-12-2006, 15:40
The possibilities are endless.
http://img179.imageshack.us/img179/5162/somanypossibilitiesxo5.gif
Dan Petrovic
11-12-2006, 16:21
I voted yes, because I'm a sucker for pretty graphics...but I really don't think it matters. I like to see the forum keep evolving and I think its a neat feature, and I do like the idea mentioned above about using the FIRST logo, but then again it takes a while to fill up a reputation bar so you'll have a bunch of users running around with half completed FIRST logos and that might not be such a good thing.
That's the point! Those with the half completed FIRST logos will want to finish theirs and strive to be a better person.
With the possibility of half completed FIRST logos, we can make this forum a better place.
Richard Wallace
11-12-2006, 16:22
I propose a logarithmic scale for reputation dots. Reputation in deciBakers will be computed using the formula:
Rep (dB) = 40 + (10 * log10 (your rep points / Andy Baker's rep points))
Using this metric, Andy always gets 40 dots. Someone with one-tenth as many reputation points as Andy will get 30 dots, etc.
efoote868
11-12-2006, 16:32
haha... doesn't matter to me. I've got quite a ways to go before I fill up my line... (provided I don't post anything stupid :p )
That's the point! Those with the half completed FIRST logos will want to finish theirs and strive to be a better person.
With the possibility of half completed FIRST logos, we can make this forum a better place.
It will also cause a lot of friends to keep boosting each others rep just to get better dots. How about 3 symbols set at 100 pt, 500 pt and 1000 pt. After that who cares how many you have.
I wasn't sure based on what you posted Brandon, but will those stars take up any more vertical space then is blank now?
ie will the non-post space get any bigger? If so, then I vote no. If not, I don't care.
Wetzel
ooo.. I like the idea of a logarithmic scale!
I also like the idea of five stars, with each achieved star full color (yellow), and the others gray(ed out). The extra gold dots may be unecessary, as I think about it.
eh..
Cody Carey
11-12-2006, 17:59
a little big, but...
http://img166.imageshack.us/img166/1460/easybuttonsmzy5.gifhttp://img166.imageshack.us/img166/1460/easybuttonsmzy5.gifhttp://img166.imageshack.us/img166/1460/easybuttonsmzy5.gifhttp://img166.imageshack.us/img166/1460/easybuttonsmzy5.gifhttp://img166.imageshack.us/img166/1460/easybuttonsmzy5.gif
Endless I say!
Elgin Clock
13-12-2006, 12:36
Awww.. The upgraded rep system thanks me for giving rep.
w00t!!! :) :) :) :) :)
Awww.. The upgraded rep system thanks me for giving rep.
w00t!!! :) :) :) :) :)
He added the new system?
Dylan Gramlich
13-12-2006, 13:27
He added the new system?
i think he is refering to his signature. but i could be wrong.
Jaine Perotti
13-12-2006, 14:03
He added the new system?No, but when you give someone rep, another little window pops up and says "Thanks for giving this person reputation. Hopefully you will be given reputation too", or something like that (I can't remember the exact words :o).
Elgin Clock
13-12-2006, 14:30
No, but when you give someone rep, another little window pops up and says "Thanks for giving this person reputation. Hopefully you will be given reputation too", or something like that (I can't remember the exact words :o).
Yep. Exactly. As in "new system" I meant since the big upgrade of CD.
Ahh I see. You guys are talking about the pop-up window thing!
http://img270.imageshack.us/img270/157/cdssut7.gif
Dan_Karol
13-12-2006, 15:27
This may have been said but,
I think you should not install the program but find a different one that displays your rep in number-color form. So for example a green 100 would say that you have one hundred positive rep marks and a red 100 would say the opposite. The rep would be small, discrete but effective and functional. Or maybe scientific notation, binary or even Hexadecimal...:cool:
-Dan
Richard Wallace
13-12-2006, 15:31
Or maybe scientific notation, binary or even Hexadecimal...:cool: Or logarithmic (http://www.chiefdelphi.com/forums/showthread.php?p=540851#post540851).
JaneYoung
13-12-2006, 15:33
Or logarithmic (http://www.chiefdelphi.com/forums/showthread.php?p=540851#post540851).
If you give me a logarithmic dot will you please issue a lesson with it so that I understand that which I have obtained?
sadly - I am not kidding about the lesson.
Cody Carey
13-12-2006, 15:35
If you give me a logarithmic dot will you please issue a lesson with it so that I understand that which I have obtained?
Or a the very least make it a logarithmic star?
JaneYoung
13-12-2006, 15:37
Or a the very least make it a logarithmic star?
That might make my head hurt but at least it would be shiney.
If you give me a logarithmic dot will you please issue a lesson with it so that I understand that which I have obtained?
sadly - I am not kidding about the lesson.
You have a certain amount of points.. lets say 12000. The amount of dots you get for that number would be (log10 12000)
10^x = 12000. x = the number of dots you get, which is 4 (rounded).
I think google does something similar with its PageRank number, to assign a number to a site (1-10).
1000 - 10000 points gets the same number of dots, is one problem I see, so maybe the log score would have to be scaled a little bit to make use of the remainder that normally gets thrown away.
Another thing that could be done is to get the mean and standard deviation of the rep points, and then based on the number of standard deviations you are away from the mean, you get a certain amount of dots. Those who have a negative some of rep points would have to have a seperate process to assign red dots, and their score would have to be excluded from determining the average rep point total.
Are you saying this is too complicated? Of course I'd have to agree, and doing any of this might be harder than just installing that plug-in Brandon is talking about.. but I dunno, I kinda liked thinking about possible enhancements to rep dots.
Cody Carey
13-12-2006, 15:51
It would be nice to keep The same system for rep points, just add a lot more available "trophies" to be obtained. I think this is much better than basing the score on a single member of the community, as that limits us.
I'm pretty sure the scale of points to dots can be changed as well, so there would be no upper limit. (100 points = 1 dot changes to 1000 points = 1 green dot with need)
Richard Wallace
13-12-2006, 15:54
If you give me a logarithmic dot will you please issue a lesson with it so that I understand that which I have obtained?
sadly - I am not kidding about the lesson.You reminded me of a scene from the classic 80's TV series "Moonlighting", in which Maddie (Cybill Shepherd) and a female friend have been discussing the frustrations caused by men. David (Bruce Willis) walks in and asks, "So, what's the topic?"
Maddie answers, "You know, that same old subject that no one will ever understand."
To which David replies, "Logarithms?"
It would be nice to keep The same system for rep points, just add a lot more available "trophies" to be obtained. I think this is much better than basing the score on a single member of the community, as that limits us.
I'm pretty sure the scale of points to dots can be changed as well, so there would be no upper limit. (100 points = 1 dot changes to 1000 points = 1 green dot with need)
What do you mean based on one member of the community?
When Richard added in a nod to Andy Baker, I think he was joking.. A log scale wouldn't have to rely on the score of one member.
As for taking the mean and standard deviation, that would rely on everyone's score I guess, but maybe not in the way you're thinking? Using a distribution is like an automatic way to readjust the point/dot ranges.
Cody Carey
13-12-2006, 16:05
I took that as being a semi-serious way to introduce the LOG thing... but I really have no Idea. I should rephrase my thought: Having a logarithmic system based on any concrete score would put another upper cap on it, and that is how it works right now, so why change it?
The mean and standard deviation, however, is a very good Idea, and I wasn't thinking about it when I posted. I think it might be hard to impliment though...
Richard Wallace
13-12-2006, 16:05
When Richard added in a nod to Andy Baker, I think he was joking.. A log scale wouldn't have to rely on the score of one member.It's nice to see that someone appreciates a geeky sense of humor.:)
Logarithmic scaling usually involves normalization to some reference or standard level; e.g., decibels (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Decibel). I figured that Andy Baker would be a pretty good reference for reputation in our community, hence "deciBakers".
JaneYoung
13-12-2006, 16:19
Are you saying this is too complicated? Of course I'd have to agree, and doing any of this might be harder than just installing that plug-in Brandon is talking about.. but I dunno, I kinda liked thinking about possible enhancements to rep dots.
Thank you for my lesson Joel.
As far as complicated -
One thing about this fine group of students and mentors is that I can always count on you never wanting to waste an opportunity to learn, to teach, and to improve.
It will be up to Brandon, as you've said - but it is cool to learn even when we are talking about reputation dots.
Jeremytice
13-12-2006, 21:07
sounds cool....
Kyle Love
13-12-2006, 22:51
I can live with it....and without it, it won't bother me either way.
http://www.campbellskitchen.com/images/specialty/swansonbroth/rating_0_star_lg.gif
http://www.campbellskitchen.com/images/specialty/swansonbroth/rating_2_star_lg.gif
http://www.campbellskitchen.com/images/specialty/swansonbroth/rating_3_star_lg.gif
http://www.campbellskitchen.com/images/specialty/swansonbroth/rating_4_star_lg.gif
http://www.campbellskitchen.com/images/specialty/swansonbroth/rating_5_star_lg.gif
I saw this online, and then remembered about this thread..
Al Skierkiewicz
14-12-2006, 08:17
I figured that Andy Baker would be a pretty good reference for reputation in our community, hence "deciBakers".
That means that most anyone could achieve is in tenths of a Baker, seems kind of out of proportion to the real world Baker doesn't it?!?
Andy Baker
14-12-2006, 09:03
seems kind of out of proportion to the real world Baker doesn't it?!?
I'm still trying to find out what the real Baker world is. If anyone else has a clue, feel free to let me know.
... deciBakers. You guys are killin' me.
As for the colors and dots, keep it simple. Pretty colors are nice too.
AB
Al Skierkiewicz
14-12-2006, 10:57
I'm still trying to find out what the real Baker world is.
AB
You know, now that you mention it so are we...
http://www.chiefdelphi.com/forums/showthread.php?t=45474&highlight=andy+baker
Richard Wallace
14-12-2006, 15:44
OK, I'm a geek. My earlier suggestion (http://www.chiefdelphi.com/forums/showthread.php?p=540851#post540851) really was half-serious. I agree with Joel (http://www.chiefdelphi.com/forums/showthread.php?p=541526#post541526) that the reputation dot scale shouldn't be tied to any one CD member; however, I still like the name "deciBaker" to indicate a user's reputation in number-of-dots.
To remove Andy's actual reputation point total from the equation, I proposed this alternate definition of the deciBaker:
dB = 1 + 10*log10(reputation point total / 100)
Number of dots would be equal to the next higher whole number of dB. So a member with up to 100 (positive) reputation points would get one (green) dot. Dots would increase with increasing reputation point total, with each dot successively harder to get than the one before it:
1 dB = 100 rep points
2 db = 125 rep points
3 dB = 160 rep points
4 dB = 200 rep points
5 dB = 250 rep points
6 dB = 315 rep points
7 dB = 400 rep points
8 dB = 500 rep points
9 dB = 630 rep points
10 dB = 800 rep points
11 dB = 1,000 rep points
12 dB = 1,250 rep points
13 dB = 1,600 rep points
14 dB = 2,000 rep points
15 dB = 2,500 rep points
16 dB = 3,150 rep points
17 dB = 4,000 rep points
18 dB = 5,000 rep points
19 dB = 6,300 rep points
20 dB = 8,000 rep points
21 dB = 10,000 rep points
22 dB = 12,500 rep points
23 dB = 16,000 rep points
24 dB = 20,000 rep points
25 dB = 25,000 rep points
etc. (no upper limit)
Under this system, they're not just dots -- they're deciBakers! :]
And since there would (eventually) be more of them, there would be more styling potential; e.g., cool shapes, pretty colors. :cool:
Ken Streeter
14-12-2006, 19:28
Personally, I like the fact that ChiefDelphi has a reputation system. It is excellent at showing which people are "respected members of the community".
However, one of the things that I really like about the current implementation of the reputation system is that it has a maximum displayed reputation that isn't stratospheric. Even relatively new users on ChiefDelphi (like me!) can envision that by making good contributions to the community, they may one day be amongst the set of users on CD that are at the highest displayed level of reputation. New users can also see that good postings are recognized by others. Alas, I think that if the maximum level is either unbounded or so high that it can't be reasonably obtained in a couple years through means other than "voting for friends" then I think the reputation system's ability to "encourage good postings" is somewhat diminished. My personal perspective is that I'm in favor of leaving the reputation bars at their current level.
Another benefit about having a maximum displayed reputation level is that there isn't any competition amongst the "max-reputation" folks to see who has the biggest reputation of all. (Or, if there is, it is at least largely invisible to others!) Even though such competition would surely be a friendly rivalry amongst the high-reputation folks, I'm not sure that there's really any benefit in further distinguishing amongst the "best of the best" on CD.
Similarly, because there is a current maximum displayed level, there's no way for folks to "cheat the system" and surpass the displayed levels of the very "best of the best" on CD who are already maxed out. The very best that somebody could do in "cheating the system" would be to equal the levels of the mainstays on CD. As such, the incentive for a miscreant to employ foul tactics to generate a reputation higher than dlavery or AndyBaker is greatly diminished -- despite one's best attempts, one could only attain the same level, no higher.
I'm in favor of leaving the reputation system with a reasonably attainable "maximum displayed level."
Just my two cents!
--ken, who is somewhat fearful of what kind of impact this post may have on his reputation since it publicly contradicts the perspective of so many of the "best of the best" on CD... Then again, there shouldn't be any reason to worry, these folks all exude gracious professionalism from their very being and definitely would respect a polite, healthy difference of opinion!
MikeDubreuil
14-12-2006, 19:31
I don't think the reputation system should allow reputation to be given in the Chit/Chat or general forum threads. It sperates the people who are just nice from the ones who contribute at a higher level.
Cody Carey
14-12-2006, 20:27
Personally, I like the fact that ChiefDelphi has a reputation system. It is excellent at showing which people are "respected members of the community".
However, one of the things that I really like about the current implementation of the reputation system is that it has a maximum displayed reputation that isn't stratospheric. Even relatively new users on ChiefDelphi (like me!) can envision that by making good contributions to the community, they may one day be amongst the set of users on CD that are at the highest displayed level of reputation. New users can also see that good postings are recognized by others. Alas, I think that if the maximum level is either unbounded or so high that it can't be reasonably obtained in a couple years through means other than "voting for friends" then I think the reputation system's ability to "encourage good postings" is somewhat diminished. My personal perspective is that I'm in favor of leaving the reputation bars at their current level.
Another benefit about having a maximum displayed reputation level is that there isn't any competition amongst the "max-reputation" folks to see who has the biggest reputation of all. (Or, if there is, it is at least largely invisible to others!) Even though such competition would surely be a friendly rivalry amongst the high-reputation folks, I'm not sure that there's really any benefit in further distinguishing amongst the "best of the best" on CD.
Similarly, because there is a current maximum displayed level, there's no way for folks to "cheat the system" and surpass the displayed levels of the very "best of the best" on CD who are already maxed out. The very best that somebody could do in "cheating the system" would be to equal the levels of the mainstays on CD. As such, the incentive for a miscreant to employ foul tactics to generate a reputation higher than dlavery or AndyBaker is greatly diminished -- despite one's best attempts, one could only attain the same level, no higher.
I'm in favor of leaving the reputation system with a reasonably attainable "maximum displayed level."
Just my two cents!
--ken, who is somewhat fearful of what kind of impact this post may have on his reputation since it publicly contradicts the perspective of so many of the "best of the best" on CD... Then again, there shouldn't be any reason to worry, these folks all exude gracious professionalism from their very being and definitely would respect a polite, healthy difference of opinion!
I like it!
After taking this post into consideration, I am in favor of leaving the system that is currently implemented intact. The only change that I would like to see is maybe one more level of bars to achieve. That way, the goal is still attainable... but it gives quite a few people more to strive for.
Cody Carey
05-01-2007, 11:05
I hate to be a double-poster, but has anything come of this?
Ricky Q.
05-01-2007, 12:15
Expect to see it on the backburner for a while until after kickoff, lots of things going on for Brandon, and everyone else.
Eldarion
05-01-2007, 13:14
I am in agreement with Ken Streeter above.
whytheheckme
04-04-2007, 01:54
Hey everyone!
Just kinda bringing this back. I was just wondering if anything was happening with it.
I personally LOVE the idea of extending the reputation system. I mean, I have been really posting here for 3 months, and I have 4 light greens. This means that I have 2 more until I show that I have the same rep as dlavery and billfred :ahh: I personally don't believe this is fair to people who dedicate their lives to posting on CD, because they work hard to provide good, informational posts. Expanding the rep dots is just a nice little thankyou to the big people on top who have thousands of posts. I personally like the system that Cody introduced and is consistently in Elgin Clock's ~sig.
Perhaps there was a reason that this thread died, and I just haven't realized it. Please let me know if I am completely off base.
Jacob
Could you just post the number of points instead of dots representing the points? It just seems to make more sense to me.
whytheheckme
04-04-2007, 09:26
Could you just post the number of points instead of dots representing the points? It just seems to make more sense to me.
In my opinion, this isn't as visual or as cool. Looking at someone's info bar above their post sets the mood for the post. If I look at a post where someone has a bunch of light green dots (I usually don't count them), and they have an avatar and a WAI, and if they have a bunch of chat symbols, I feel like this person has something respectable to say (not saying that other people don't, but this is a first impression right off the bat)...
On the other hand, if I see someone's post that has no avatar or WAI, no chat symbols, and they only have a few dark green dots, it sets the tone that this person is fairly new, and doesn't have as much creditability (again, NOT TRUE, but this is the first thing that I think of when I see a post.)
If I looked at someones post, and they had green and yellow and pink and blue dots and stars and first logos and little things that screamed ZOMG... This would definitely make me feel different about the the experience of this person. And I think that that is something I should feel when talking to someone of more experience, and someone who has put the time into the forum.
Just my 50th of a buck.
Jacob
If I looked at someones post, and they had green and yellow and pink and blue dots and stars and first logos and little things that screamed ZOMG... This would definitely make me feel different about the the experience of this person. And I think that that is something I should feel when talking to someone of more experience, and someone who has put the time into the forum.
I tend to just look at the words that they wrote. That tends to be a much better indicator of the quality of a post than any system of pink heart, yellow moon and green clover symbols that might be arbitrarily applied by some second- or third-order evaluation of the words that they wrote.
They are just dots. I don't wanna go agitatin' the dots.
-dave
Brandon Martus
04-04-2007, 10:52
They are just dots. I don't wanna go agitatin' the dots.
Yep -- they're just dots. I temporarily installed the hack a while back, and it was just ... weird. I like what Ken and Dave both said in above posts, as well. I think it's ok to leave it alone (unless there is a major revolt or something .. heh)
whytheheckme
04-04-2007, 21:31
I tend to just look at the words that they wrote. That tends to be a much better indicator of the quality of a post than any system of pink heart, yellow moon and green clover symbols that might be arbitrarily applied by some second- or third-order evaluation of the words that they wrote.
I agree. I suppose that the dots don't really matter, although it give something for someone to strive for. And I wouldn't mind lucky charms either :p
Yep -- they're just dots. I temporarily installed the hack a while back, and it was just ... weird.
Does anyone have a screenshot of this? I'm just curious as to what it looked like. I'm all for leaving it the way it is; I wasn't aware of the history behind this.
Jacob
JaneYoung
04-04-2007, 21:39
Does anyone have a screenshot of this? I'm just curious as to what it looked like. I'm all for leaving it the way it is; I wasn't aware of the history behind this.
Jacob
I don't have a screen shot but when Brandon was messin' with it, I saw some of them and they looked like snowflakes to me.
Thing is, the way it is now, they are dots and people are fine with them. When you start seeing that some folks have lots of snowflakes and you don't have any...next thing you know, you could start becoming competitive for snowflakes. 'You' meaning anyone.
(One thing about CD, there are lots of competitive people in here.)
I like what Dave said about looking at the words. They hold the value.
Jane
Schnabel
04-04-2007, 23:19
I tend to just look at the words that they wrote. That tends to be a much better indicator of the quality of a post than any system of pink heart, yellow moon and green clover symbols that might be arbitrarily applied by some second- or third-order evaluation of the words that they wrote.
They are just dots. I don't wanna go agitatin' the dots.
-dave
AHH AHH CLUE CLUE!!!! No not really, I just had to get an early start!:D
I tend to be a little competitive with almost anything too, so I go along with Jane's post in the fact that I want some snowflakes! Gosh, why should she get some when I don't. And why does he get little monkeys, I wants some of them. And don't you think of wanting my little ice cream cones. No sir, you might as well just back away from them!:p
That brings me to another thought, would giving each person the ability to change what type of dot they have displayed be cool? It would definatly be confusing! I wonder though, do you think that Dave would want little KK's?:D
:D:D
raymaniac
05-04-2007, 15:12
I wonder though, do you think that Dave would want little KK's?:D
Do you have to ask?
Danny Diaz
10-04-2007, 17:44
That tends to be a much better indicator of the quality of a post than any system of pink heart, yellow moon and green clover symbols that might be arbitrarily applied by some second- or third-order evaluation of the words that they wrote.
But you forget, the words/dots aren't magically delicious (http://www.everything2.com/index.pl?node_id=85049&lastnode_id=0)... :p
-Danny
NOTE: Bold in quote is of my doing to highlight the connection. Dave only omitted the Orange Stars, which round out the original 4 marbits found in my favorite cereal as a child.
meatmanek
10-04-2007, 19:58
I'm liking the logarithm.
dots = 2*log(points) - 1
Newbies who've said something worthwhile get 1 dot (10 points)
Average users who haven't insulted people get 2 dots (32 points)
Start being helpful and you get 3 dots (100 points)
Show that you know something, get 4 dots (317 points)
Be really helpful, get 5 dots (1000 points)
6 is reasonable (3163 points)
CD gods start getting 7, or 8 dots
9 dots is a feat - 100,000 points
Andy Baker gets 13 dots.
It keeps the dots at a reasonable level, but it also provides some distinction among the elite.
efoote868
10-04-2007, 22:07
My only question in this whole thing is, after you filled your bar, do you still get reps? seems to me that I get fewer and fewer reps ever since AB gave me a greeny... not complaining, although I like to see feedback to my posts (am I really still contributing to the CD community?).
It looks like to me if there were to be some sort of dot enhancement, people would continue to give reps to those with a (well at least now) filled bar.
seems to me that I get fewer and fewer reps ever since AB gave me a greeny... not complaining, although I like to see feedback to my posts (am I really still contributing to the CD community?).
That is because the "Baker Dots" are extremely powerful dots, and not just your average, every-day normal dots. They have special powers. They are able to accurately predict the weather throughout 85% of Indiana, can expand to cover an entire lawn with their extra-rich color thereby making it look like a freshly-sodded golf green rather than a gopher-infested patch of barren ground, and will tell you the winning PowerBall number seven days before it is chosen. All the other dots given by mere mortals run away in fear of the Baker Dots, due to the massive inferiority complexes they get just from being anywhere in proximity to such superior Dots. The result is that once you get a Baker Dot or two, it may take a while for other dots to regain enough confidence to be willing to be added to your reputation bar.
-dave
Andy Baker
11-04-2007, 00:20
That is because the "Baker Dots" are extremely powerful dots, and not just your average, every-day normal dots.
yak yak yak
-dave
... as do the RED Baker Dots, comrade! May lady luck be on my side this weekend as we play "go fish" this weekend.
/me shakes head slowly
Hey... Foote... I'll give you proof that you can still get positive rep. wooop!
AB
efoote868
11-04-2007, 15:49
The result is that once you get a Baker Dot or two, it may take a while for other dots to regain enough confidence to be willing to be added to your reputation bar.
Hey... Foote... I'll give you proof that you can still get positive rep. wooop!
Oh man, now its going to be years before I get another rep ;) .
(still not complaining though :p )
... as do the RED Baker Dots, comrade! May lady luck be on my side this weekend as we play "go fish" this weekend.
/me shakes head slowly
Hey... Foote... I'll give you proof that you can still get positive rep. wooop!
AB
That would be one funny looking lawn....
Wetzel
(I just went and counted, 5 reps this year. Stay away from controversy and people tend to leave you alone.)
Schnabel
13-04-2007, 23:49
...They are able to accurately predict the weather throughout 85% of Indiana...
-dave
That's not hard to do, just predict the opposite of right now and it will happen within a matter of minutes. :D
GaryVoshol
16-04-2007, 08:56
That is because the "Baker Dots" are extremely powerful dots, and not just your average, every-day normal dots. They have special powers. They are able to accurately predict the weather throughout 85% of Indiana, ...
As anyone familiar with the weather in IN knows, the only way Andy manages that is because he controls the weather in 75% of IN!
That's not hard to do, just predict the opposite of right now and it will happen within a matter of minutes. :D
Although that does help! (Hey, you stole the Michigan line - "Don't like the weather, just wait 10 minutes.")
artdutra04
16-04-2007, 14:22
Although that does help! (Hey, you stole the Michigan line - "Don't like the weather, just wait 10 minutes.")Does that mean Michigan stole the New England quote from Mark Twain (http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Mark_Twain#Weather)? :yikes:
"If you don't like the weather in New England, just wait a few minutes." - Mark Twain/Samuel Clemens
Kevin Sevcik
16-04-2007, 16:20
This might be a bit off-topic for this thread, so I might take it somewhere else, but I think the current rep implementation has an odd "feature". Earlier today, someone made an unwise and hasty post and collected much negative rep. The post was then deleted and said negative rep evaporated. I presume this is because all rep is attached to specific posts, but it seemed odd. The implied sentiment that things are alright as long as you retract your words is nice, but very bad things were still said. I suppose I'm ambivalent as to whether I'd want the reps to stick around or disappear, since they're just dots. But still. Has anyone else noticed this or have opinions on it?
whytheheckme
16-04-2007, 16:26
This might be a bit off-topic for this thread, so I might take it somewhere else, but I think the current rep implementation has an odd "feature". Earlier today, someone made an unwise and hasty post and collected much negative rep. The post was then deleted and said negative rep evaporated. I presume this is because all rep is attached to specific posts, but it seemed odd. The implied sentiment that things are alright as long as you retract your words is nice, but very bad things were still said. I suppose I'm ambivalent as to whether I'd want the reps to stick around or disappear, since they're just dots. But still. Has anyone else noticed this or have opinions on it?
Yeah... Kinda wondering about that.
*If* I made a bad post (not saying that I did), got bad rep for it, and deleted it, the bad rep disappears out of my Reputation list. But the negative points still stay. I think that either the bad rep dot should stay in the list with the comment, or you should get those points back. But missing points is just weird.
98 cents short of a dollar
Jacob
Brandon Martus
16-04-2007, 18:42
I think that may be a bug in the plug-in that displays the reputation. I don't think the points are reversed at the user level when a post is deleted. I'll try to remember to look at that ..
Schnabel
18-04-2007, 20:28
Although that does help! (Hey, you stole the Michigan line - "Don't like the weather, just wait 10 minutes.")
It is more like three minutes. Seriously though, Indiana is the only state that you will use your air conditioning, then heat, then air all in a matter of about 3 hours.:D
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