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Dan Petrovic
21-12-2006, 20:08
This picture has a large number 5. On a diamond plate Circle
Also for those who are musically inclined on CD. In music the code of sharps and flats for each key is called the Circle of Fifths. Don't know what that has to do with yet, but maybe we need another clue or people to research it.
Enhancing on this fact...
The Circle of Fifths represents the 12 different key signatures of the 12 different major scales.
So taking the idea of the idea of the 12 scales, and looking at the diamonds on the diamond plate.... diamonds are mostly, if not completely, comprised of carbon. The Atomic number for Carbon is 6, half of 12.
Maybe this is just a reiteration of how many robots will be on the field at once?
Also, on the same idea of music. Music is written on a staff. Perhaps a pole or "staff" in the game? Or perhaps "keys"?
Maybe the batons will be used this upcoming year?
Just a couple things to think about.
Rings. (http://www.chiefdelphi.com/forums/showpost.php?p=543898&postcount=101)
http://www.ferndale-lodge.co.uk/im/pd/SUTOY16403_2.jpg
Like that (--^) type of thing?
Interesting..
Given past indicators, all you innertube guessers may be right.
Richard Wallace
21-12-2006, 20:18
http://www.ferndale-lodge.co.uk/im/pd/SUTOY16403_2.jpg
Like that (--^) type of thing?
Interesting..
Given past indicators, all you innertube guessers may be right.Yes, but the ring-posts are robot features defined by a special rule, and rings may be placed on the robot only in ways defined by other special rules. Ring points are multiplied by a factor determined by the level on a special field structure, resembling a stair-stepped pyramid, to which that robot can climb at the end of the match. Higher levels will accomodate fewer robots and give larger ring-point multipliers. The highest level holds only one robot, and its multiplier is five.
Diamonds typically crystallize in the face-centered cubic crystal system and consist of tetrahedrally bonded carbon atoms.
Boxes and Tetras!
Simon Strauss
21-12-2006, 20:27
Id like to point out that it may be significant that the five is infront or ontop or the diamond plate depending on your perception, which in FIRST is synonamous with the wall seperating the drivers and bots. This may mean that the drivers will be either on the field or elivated, an interesting idea that might be difficult to do safely.
Tim Arnold
21-12-2006, 20:30
No game can be remotely investigated through the game hints, so I won't try. But I am disappointed that there isn't a riddle...
Good list, but the one thing that you seem to have missed is the filename (2007Clue1.jpg). I personally think that we shouldn't write off the possibility of there still being a riddle. My guess is that game "clue" != hint, and will likely have a small series of images to tease us, either until the game or just the riddle itself.
capnrmorgan
21-12-2006, 20:30
I think it is like five spots on a die. I believe there will be 5 circular platforms, 4 corners and one middle that you will have to end at (poss. bonus for middle) with one robot that is odd man out. Could be scoring positions 5 goals in a 5 dot die pattern. Or giant fuzzy dice for the game piece. (It would fit the triangle, circle, square theory. Just more to think about.)
Jimmy Cao
21-12-2006, 20:34
I think there'll be 5 robots, all competing over 1 objective, with no alliances.
My reasoning: There is a big 5 in the picture (duh), and that is written over a large metallic plate. That plate, in my mind, represents this "objective". I think this objective has something to do with climbing something.
Just my 2 cents.
It'll be fun, no matter what the game ends up being ^.^
Eldarion
21-12-2006, 20:38
I am personally going to reserve judgement until tomorrow.
The first thing this reminded me of was those old black and white countdowns to the start of a show. The countdown always started at "5"... :)
Dan Zollman
21-12-2006, 20:42
We already know that water isn't safe for robots, especially since incidents during gameplay are unpredictable and it's considerably more difficult to design a water-safe robot.
With all the past discussion of the water game idea, I think the clue was intentionally made to hint at water because they knew we'd try to interpret it that way. It was inevitable that the clue would falsely hint at a water game.
On a related thought, this is another possibility for the game:
There will be five diamond plate cylindrical boxes, set up in two antiparallel lines from smallest to largest for each alliance, with the lines in a lengthwise orientation on either side of the field. Five zones separate the cans in pairs. Four tori are placed on the edges of the middle zone. Robots must pick up the small cans and transfer the contents of the can from one can to another and through the tori in order to put the contents into a funnel on each end of the field.
The smallest cans are filled with...jello powder! The funnels attach to pipes that lead to tanks of water (hence the water clues) and the field automatically prepares the jello for the award winners.
Mike Starke
21-12-2006, 20:44
A blue inner tube scored in a goal that has a diamond plate bottom with the point value of said goal painted right inside of it. (i.e. 2004 when point values were painted right on the balls).
Totally agreed.
But I also have another point. Today in our intro to robotics class, all we did was look at the picture. We all seemed to notice hula-hoops in the blue portion of the picture. It looks like there's a whole bunch just stacked on top of each other, in a non organized way.... just another thing to think about...
ecg.logan
21-12-2006, 20:51
obscure...yes
oddly fitting...yes!
a 5 on a diamond hill appears to be what we have in the pictorial clue
http://tampa.golfnation.org/hole716
maybe there's a clue out on that golf course!
so many great ideas!
1) if it was to be a king of the hill type game, with raised platform, there would be alot of pushing aka lots of penalties. also where would the offence come in on said event?
2) free for all would result in the same correct? i know in past games before alliances were introduced this is how it was, but that was with fewer bots and why would FIRST go back in time?
3) what if the imagefile name 2007clue1 has a 1 in it just to throw everyone off and have everyone look forward to the next clue (please robot gods...let there be more)
my input: 3 v 3 alliance game. 5 different goals, with different lights, so the cameras will have to be able to distinguish the colors (hint from 2006 nationals), one goal maybe goal 5, will be the toughest to win points in, and when this happens, a robot from the opposing alliance will be disabled at random for 5 seconds.
thats all
The blue in the back reminds me of the beanies from a few years back, maybe they're on the return?
Also, the picture looks like a frame from the game animation, so my guess is that the 5 is depicting a game element. I was playing with the possibility that we would have to stack objects onto the diamond stud plates for points.
A pity we don't have a word clue to play with.
aksimhal
21-12-2006, 20:53
How deep should we look into the game clue?
five 'bots tangling with pasta
a game piece obsessed with a shovel's show
and seeing Montana's green heights
This was last years clue. The only part I saw that applied to the game is the "seeing Montana's green heights" part (meaning the ramp). The number 5 was used too, but with no connection to the game. The only reliable thing I'm getting is that we will be using diamond plate again:rolleyes:
Any Comments?
I know there has been alot of speculation that this year will be an underwater game.
But just because it's hinting at water doesn't mean it UNDERwater. Perhaps this clue means there will only be a layer of water a few inches high covering the entire field, and raised diamond-plate disks will be above the water level? Perhaps an island hopping/race type game?
I'd also like to say I'm proud to see this thread reach over 260 replies in less than 12 hours, we're definitely going to beat last year's official clue thread.
Billfred
21-12-2006, 20:59
How deep should we look into the game clue?
five 'bots tangling with pasta
a game piece obsessed with a shovel's show
and seeing Montana's green heights
This was last years clue. The only part I saw that applied to the game is the "seeing Montana's green heights" part (meaning the ramp). The number 5 was used too, but with no connection to the game. The only reliable thing I'm getting is that we will be using diamond plate again:rolleyes:
Any Comments?
Wrong on both counts--"Montana's green heights" referred to the high goal, and the five referred to the number of robots on one side of the field during an offense period (three scoring, two defending, one on the other side as a backbot).
Wrong on both counts--"Montana's green heights" referred to the high goal, and the five referred to the number of robots on one side of the field during an offense period (three scoring, two defending, one on the other side as a backbot).
And the pasta was the pool noodles in the bumpers.. More water nonsense!
Anyway, we've got to be less detailed in our speculation.. you'll just give the GDC to many ideas for future games!
I'm going to say that this is from the animation (as has been said already.) However, I'm also going to say this one thing....
TRIPLE REPLAY!!!
Let's see here: 5 can refer to anything, but the 2005 clue was on baseball. It looks like a goal from 2005 is in the bottom right corner. I'm going to guess something has changed a bit, though.
Other thoughts:
Post 5 in the Game Design thread has a game that is pretty good, possibly played on diamond plate.
The fifth game was suggested by Billfred (last year's "winner"), but is a little crazy.
Then again, the 4th game involved 5 moving goals.
Oh, no, I'm losing my mind already!
Ian Curtis
21-12-2006, 21:05
Last years hint was quite relevant. Let's take it line by line, shall we?
five 'bots tangling in pasta
There were five robots actively playing, who had the option of protecting themselves with pool "noodles".
a game piece obsessed with a shovel's show
This is a reference to David Spade's "Just Shoot Me", because that was exactly what we were doing to the balls
and seeing Montana's green heights
Reference to the CMUCam obviously, I also interpret it as referencing the high goals. Although I suppose it could be taken as the ramp.
As for this year, I find the 5 periods thing to rather interesting, although I'd rather we see the return of a two period game, autonomous and just plain old operator control.
1359th Scalawag
21-12-2006, 21:08
For the 2006 game season, the only place I saw that kind of steel was for the ramps. What if for this game, there were 5 ramps and instead of only scoring for being on the ramps at the end, they would have periods in the game and at the end of the periods you could get points for being on one of the 5 ramps? Kinda like musical chairs...
They didn't give us much to think about with just a "5" but we could still create our own game with all these ideas! I wonder if First watches these to get ideas for next game season... :D
Tetraman
21-12-2006, 21:11
You know...I bet the 5 is the amount of points you recieve if you put that blue ring on it.
Aidan F. Browne
21-12-2006, 21:12
It seems to me that it could be a big plunger button that you have to drive into to activate. Like maybe to release game pieces.
Or, if its a 5-robot free-for-all game, it could be that in autonomous there are five of these numbered buttons along the side of the field with different colored lights as below (RL, GL, BL = Red, Green, Blue light & Tx = Target x)
[RL] (T1) [RL] (T2) [GL] (T3) [GL] (T4) [BL] (T5) [BL]
At the start of the match the field computer randomly downloads a number to each of the robots 1, 2, 3, 4, or 5. If you can drive into your button during autonomous you get a big bonus. Or get your game pieces early.
Or maybe there is one of these at each end. During the match if you can get to and drive into your opponents "5" button, then you disable them for 5 seconds or take 5 seconds off of their time, or earn 5 points, or take away 5 points... *sigh*... so many possibilities....
I'm gonna stop throwing out these silly guesses now so Dave can stop laughing at me.
It's quite obvious: this picture is a screenshot from a video. ;)
If you keep it as a screen shot then the file name of 2007clue1 would make sense. In a editing program like AVID XPRESS PRO (which I use at school and is similar to Final Cut Pro which I think is the program the almighty Dave Lavery uses) you create new timelines each time you sign in (to keep track of edits/show progress etc.). These timelines use the original timeline name and add another number unless a new name is specified. In example if the name was "robots" the next time you edit it will be saved as "robots1".
This does the same thing if you take a screenshot from the timeline. So... I wouldn't get your hopes up for more still clues, but a short animation, but then again I haven't slept in around 5 days so I am a little spacey.
TeknicllyInsane
21-12-2006, 21:26
Here's an interesting theory about the game.
If you look at the past two games, we see that last year's game involved a ball, and the year before used triangles. This can be connected to the FIRST logo, which is a triangle, a circle, and a square.
If we follow the pattern, the game would logically involve some sort of box.
this box may somehow represent a goal of some sort, possibly pentagonal.(this would explain the 5 and the diamond)
I believe that the blue background is not water, which is a common belief, but either a light effect to throw us off, or simply the background of the Demo Video. (it has been suggested that the clue is a still-shot of the Demo for this year).
these are just a couple suggestions, not that I expect any to be true.
(i'm the one who thought that last year's game would require digging, due to it's reference to a "shovel's show" )
P.S: these views are not expressly mine, yet a collaborative work of my peers at Birds Of Prey.
Eldarion
21-12-2006, 21:30
I'm going to say that this is from the animation (as has been said already.) However, I'm also going to say this one thing....
TRIPLE REPLAY!!!
I wish!!!! :)
clean399
21-12-2006, 21:32
I really don't think this is the real clue i think they are counting down until the real one. I have been messing with this one and I got what seemed to be a goal or the right side of the picture maybe we are looking down on that goal and it is telling us a point value or refering to an object with the same number that goes into it. Just a thought.
TeknicllyInsane
21-12-2006, 21:37
I really don't think this is the real clue i think they are counting down until the real one. I have been messing with this one and I got what seemed to be a goal or the right side of the picture maybe we are looking down on that goal and it is telling us a point value or refering to an object with the same number that goes into it. Just a thought.
You know, I've heard that theory alot, and I was wondering a couple things.
1. have they ever given us a countdown before?
2. why do they label this as the clue on the official website? I mean, if it were a countdown, wouldn't the organization be misleading us, going against gracious professionalism?
Tetraman
21-12-2006, 21:41
So far...even with the hint...this is what the field looks like so far:
http://i48.photobucket.com/albums/f242/ErwinTheSketcher/Field.jpg
clean399
21-12-2006, 21:42
You know, I've heard that theory alot, and I was wondering a couple things.
1. have they ever given us a countdown before?
2. why do they label this as the clue on the official website? I mean, if it were a countdown, wouldn't the organization be misleading us, going against gracious professionalism?
Isn't it kind of against gracious professionalism giving us a clue anyway I mean look at how much work we are putting into this when we don't really get anything and won't know anything until kickoff I think they are just trying to get us into the mood of thinking about stuff that you would not think of if you saw this say if you were at work if it was in your text book.
TeknicllyInsane
21-12-2006, 21:45
You know clean, you're right about that. The point of the clue is to get us thinking outside the box in order to solve a rather simple problem. It also gets us hyped up for competition times, amping us up for the big-league atmosphere.
TeknicllyInsane
21-12-2006, 21:50
mabye the blue is water!
that has in fact been suggested, but thinking realistically, I don't think that technology is even advanced enough where we can get waterproof parts for really cheap.
I think that an underwater game would be extremely fun, but it's highly unrealistic.
Peter Matteson
21-12-2006, 21:57
Since no one has gone too far down the Party of 5 line of reasoning yet:
5 = Party of 5
Neve Cambell was in party of 5
Cambell as in Cambell's Soup
A round aluminum disc = soup can lid
What this means is the plate we see is a lid we have to place on something.
Or I could diverge from that with:
Cambell's soup
Andy Warhol had a famous painting of Cambell's soup cans.
He had a similar painting of Marilyn Monroe
Marilyn Monroe sang diamonds are a girls best friend in "Gentlemen Prefer Blondes"
Blonde means Platinum Blonde
Platinum is used in catalysts for Fuel Cells
Therefore we are using fuelcell robots.
This only my 5th season and can go on with these for hours now.
What have you done to me Chiefdelphi?
AAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHH!:ahh:
Rich Kressly
21-12-2006, 21:59
Dave talks about five here:
http://www.chiefdelphi.com/forums/showpost.php?p=271802&postcount=9
Or I could diverge from that with:
Cambell's soup
Andy Warhol had a famous painting of Cambell's soup cans.
He had a similar painting of Marilyn Monroe
Marilyn Monroe sang diamonds are a girls best friend in "Gentlemen Prefer Blondes"
Blonde means Platinum Blonde
Platinum is used in catalysts for Fuel Cells
Therefore we are using fuelcell robots.
Actually several teams are slated to be part of a promo use of fuel cells in robots this year instead of traditional batteries. Right on with that conclusion... i think : )
Neil Diamond did a song called Forever in Blue Jeans
Who does that make you think of?
JohnMorenski
21-12-2006, 22:02
i was looking at the screen at a weird angle and i saw that the diamond plate pattern actually is on the #5 too... mabe there are numbers painted on the diamond plate
TeknicllyInsane
21-12-2006, 22:08
i was looking at the screen at a weird angle and i saw that the diamond plate pattern actually is on the #5 too... mabe there are numbers painted on the diamond plate
There have been two theories about that, albeit they don't seem important to the game play.
Either the number is painted directly onto the diamond.
or there is a thin layer of plexi/lexan over the top of it.
Synergy1848
21-12-2006, 22:09
alright heres my $.02
5 ending platforms only big enough for one robot a piece so one bot is left out. or something similar like that maybe only 5 playing objects so its an uneven number.
I told myself I wasn't going to get into the hint, but I can still read the thread, can't I?
Just noticing....reading above you, even though it may take f-o-r-e-v-e-r, just might be a good idea. I've seen so many people saying something we've already determined pages & pages ago.
It just makes reading easier for us all.
=]
ted says it best:
Everyone do everyone a favor.
Stop, read the whole thread, and then post
or at least do a quick search using the search tool
Tetraman
21-12-2006, 22:12
The 5 has to be the amount of points you get for doing something...like putting a ring on the pole, or reaching to the level that you made it to.
Corey Balint
21-12-2006, 22:18
Dave talks about five here:
http://www.chiefdelphi.com/forums/showpost.php?p=271802&postcount=9
Its the Fifth one listed too.
Here's an interesting theory about the game.
If you look at the past two games, we see that last year's game involved a ball, and the year before used triangles. This can be connected to the FIRST logo, which is a triangle, a circle, and a square.
If we follow the pattern, the game would logically involve some sort of box.
this box may somehow represent a goal of some sort, possibly pentagonal.(this would explain the 5 and the diamond)
Not the logo theory again! If the logo theory is actually true, then yes, we get a box. (5 stacks? stacks of 5?) If not (my view), then this theory has only one purpose--confuse us.
Carrie102
21-12-2006, 22:31
I had to skim the last page b/c this is all too much to take in at 10:30pm, especially since I've been up since 6am.
Anyway my hopes:
-4 more clues/ less, or no more, vague picture clues
-CD's spoilers become better than Harry Potter spoilers (b/c they're quite good.)
-no water!, no neutral bot, no blue light camera sensor
'tis all. goodnight! & happy reading for those who can read all these posts in one go.
it'd be pretty funny if the number 5 had nothing to do with the game really, and FIRST is sitting there laughing their heads off at how many connections we are making with 5 and the world... I know i would do something like that for a good laugh...
Tom Bottiglieri
21-12-2006, 22:37
You guys are all nuts. Its a picture of a 5. Theres no way you can even come close to determining the game from it.
TeknicllyInsane
21-12-2006, 22:40
You guys are all nuts. Its a picture of a 5. Theres no way you can even come close to determining the game from it.
WHat was your first indicator of our insanity? Because I thought it was pretty evident from post #1
We do this for fun.
Andy Grady
21-12-2006, 22:41
Oh by the way...
Did anyone notice that 2007 is the 10 year anniversary of one of the greatest 1 v 1 v 1 games in history? Torroid Terror!
The game piece that year...tubes.
Though I kinda like the hula hoop idea.
TeknicllyInsane
21-12-2006, 22:45
Oh by the way...
Did anyone notice that 2007 is the 10 year anniversary of one of the greatest 1 v 1 v 1 games in history? Torroid Terror!
The game piece that year...tubes.
Though I kinda like the hula hoop idea.
Ya know, that could connect to one of the other theories i've heard.
someone said that the blue outlining might represent a, ocean-blue LED tubing......Just a thought.
Maybe your robot must be able to play music by the Jackson 5 :p
TeknicllyInsane
21-12-2006, 22:48
Maybe your robot must be able to play music by the Jackson 5 :p
that....was more far-fetched than the tennis ball I threw for my dog earlier today...
Going off of obscure baseball references here (just adding to insanity).
"In baseball, five represents the third baseman's position." -Wikipedia
Then read this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Third_baseman
Think off all of the wonderful stuff you could pull out of that.:yikes:
This leads me to believe that the name of the game will be called "Hot Corners" and will contain goals on the four corners of the field. Just a thought.
Rickertsen2
21-12-2006, 22:54
each year the hints get lamer and lamer.
Hmmm...What if this is Dave's ultimate red herring?
Here's what I'm thinking:
*the 5 could be referring back to last years "five bots" (3 offence 2 defense)
*5 robots on an alliance would make for a really crowded field
*I like the idea of a rouge bot or a "house" bot but I'm not sure that will happen
*I think the 5 refers to the point values
*I'd like to see a circular platform & ramps
Time will tell I guess....
Kyle Love
21-12-2006, 23:00
5 sided spinny thing in the middle of the field....I hope....I like things that spin....or a 5 sided scoring object....
Dasistmeinmoped
21-12-2006, 23:01
to everyone that thinks water...
yes cool, but think about that. realy.
they would need to make a giant tank, that would be in an arena, suitable for probly 6 FRC robots. we arent talking Vex here, but big robots. also, electricity + water = BUZZZZZ
im sure just insurance liability would prevent the whole idea
and any schools go a place for a practice field?
"yeah we'll just put our pool in the gym. i think its water tight"..
sorry. but in my opinion FIRST would never be able to host such an event.
but non the less im hoping the guys give us some kinda fast paced game
What is a diamond? It's a rhombus. Where did the word rhombus come from?
The origin of the word rhombus is from the Greek word for something that spins. Euclid uses the word ρομβος; and in his translation Heath says it is apparently drawn from the Greek word ρεμβω, to turn round and round. He also points out that Archimedes used the term solid rhombus for two right circular cones sharing a common base. For more on the origin of the word, see rhombus at the MathWords web page.
Could this mean that there are quick periods, or that the goals are in the corners such that the robots must constantly be turning around to achieve an objective?
Nitroxextreme
21-12-2006, 23:04
Maybe there will be 5 differently shaped game pieces....
That would be very interesting!!
sorry to post so repetitivly, but whta if the "round and around" part means that there is a central goal in the middle that robots must navigate around due to it's size (similar to the center goal in the 05' game).
StephLee
21-12-2006, 23:08
I'm never sure whether I'm reading too much into a clue, or not enough...
My scattered thoughts so far:
-It would be quite hilarious if this were all the first in a series of countdown pictures like some people have mentioned. After all, the GDC has to top Greg for his prank on us recently.
-I wish sanddrag's clue was the actual clue, because I had far more ideas for it than for this.
-5 of something...I'm personally leaning towards a 5-sided platform or 5 "bases"' of sorts. Maybe the last bit of the match is autonomous and you have to find your way to the bases autonomously, from wherever you are on the field. Each robot could be assigned a certain color before the match, and they have to go to the base that displays their color.
-NO WATER! Please...*twitch*
Well, if we have determined the it is from the countdown video, might we consider the song: "The Final Countdown" by Europe.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Final_Countdown_(song)
Europe has 5 members.
dubious elise
21-12-2006, 23:58
Dear Mr. Lavery,
Congratulations. For the fourth year running (at least, in my case - I am sure that others have a few more years to add on to my tally), you have successfully ruined my Christmas holiday with your untimely release of a most obfuscating, but no less tantalizing, hint.
As I have not yet been able to find a banana in the image (which I am sure is lurking somewhere) nor have I had the time to count the individual treads on the diamond plate in the hopes of revealing some magical number, I shall field no further comments other than to say that I eagerly await a true 3v2 game.
Sincerely,
Elise
sanddrag
22-12-2006, 00:17
As I have not yet been able to find a banana in the image (which I am sure is lurking somewhere) Look in the lower right corner area of the picture, I am seeing a banana. Let me adjust some of the levels in the image, and edit this post once I have enhanced it.
EDIT: Here we go. There's no doubt about it. That's a banana.
http://www.chiefdelphi.com/media/img/55c/55cfffc4e4274bc0b56d43fe0c60d7d3_l.jpg
James1902
22-12-2006, 01:03
What if there was a tall,rotating cylinder, bolted down in the middle of the field that was seperated into five different segments that could either raise/ lower the score of the team puting in the scoring objects. ex. one segment could raise by 1 point, the next 2, the next one take off 1 point ect ect that would make some interesting stratigies for not just scoring but for controling the rotation of the goal.
The dimand plate could represtent the material used to seperate the goal, or a ramp/ platform of somekind.
Or we could all just conceede that were never going to guess this and enjoy our holiday for once without racking our brains. But knowing us that's probably not going to happen:D
We've all been racking our brains over here at my team, so our web designer decided to have some fun with is.
Look at the banner.. http://www.teamspyder.org/index.php
clean399
22-12-2006, 01:24
So i saw that someone else had said that IFI isn't selling the kit bot transmissions any more so I looked around their website and I found that they are releasing a next generation of traction wheels soon. My thought is that like last year we are going to have to climb something but this year I think it will either have less space for the robots to get on or is going to be steeper.
I became an awfully big fan of ramps. They are so fun to drive up and down on!
I found that they are releasing a next generation of traction wheels soon.
We've known that for a while. IFI revised their wheels to fix some problems and make them look slicker.:cool:
Sanddrag might be onto something with the banana. haha or might just be Dave's new way to sign his masterpieces.:p
Kevin Kolodziej
22-12-2006, 01:44
Actually, I like this train of thought. Think of game pieces being the old style kiddie life preservers used in swimming pools (long before water wings were invented) that have to be placed on 5 poles with different point values (higher poles score higher points). Another kiddie reference to this toy that you'll stack the tubes on.
Stack 5 in a row and get bonus points. Other patterns get different points (like Connect Four).
Mannie
Hmm, a full size version of King of the Rings (http://www.chiefdelphi.com/media/photos/25572) would be amazing...
I promised myself I wouldn't contribute to the guessing game, but I just had to offer up this little thought: 2004 was a partially super-sized version of 2000...maybe we could get a super-sized version of 1997 with 5 levels of scoring instead of 3. That'd be just evil.
Sean.Conway
22-12-2006, 02:00
Dont forget the "hint" from last year, Red then Green the BLue. The 5th round the color could be blue? there is going to be more colors. they may corrolate to numbers, when you can score, how much a point is worth, etc. I doubt field dimension will change, committees arent going to redesign there layouts for the regionals, i doubt robot weight would change to 500, However new cims motors are out and that means power settings, and electronics will be changing a bit. Theres a chance for robot dimensions to change, so. FIRST is based around team work, so i doubt a rogue robot. and i doubt water. too expensive to bring into an arena and water and electricty dont work to well. so no people. Thats my 2 cents i cant really shoot anything else down. Diamond Plate+ Colors+ other then that. idk.
RKElectricalman
22-12-2006, 02:31
!! A thought just Hit me!.. and now my migraine is fluctuating even worse!
What if this clue is a hint where to find OTHER clues ??:confused:
Or, or, or maybe.... They're scattered around all the other pages??...:ahh:
This indept clue research is making me think that the new web page design is a clue too.. :(
...15 more days until my migraine goes away.... :-(
.. still think we're going to have 5 periods, more clues, and 10x the paranoia of other years :p
and no, Elgin, not the promiscuous periods Dave's been leaving around :D
Sgraff_SRHS06
22-12-2006, 02:48
Look in the lower right corner area of the picture, I am seeing a banana. Let me adjust some of the levels in the image, and edit this post once I have enhanced it.
EDIT: Here we go. There's no doubt about it. That's a banana.
http://www.chiefdelphi.com/media/img/55c/55cfffc4e4274bc0b56d43fe0c60d7d3_l.jpg
This looks like the scoring objects will be bananas and yes, square platforms could be likely.
But there's more to it. More....namely in that the robot has to CLIMB UP to get to the square platform and then the robot can shoot into the goal. Improvements on the iBot, eh?
I get it.
5 pound weight limit.
Kamikaze
22-12-2006, 03:25
And the real answer is, of course, a multiplayer 5-disk Towers of Hanoi puzzle...
fireball3004
22-12-2006, 05:15
I looked over the image very carefully there is defiantly a banana in the lower right hand corner, furthermore I would like to add that there are several distorted images in the background but most importantly in the background appears to be bubbles as if under water… I'm part of a new team but I've never heard of water FIRST competition. I would investigate further but my computer doesn’t have any good programs with which to examine my hypothesis further… If someone would be kind enough to examine the left side for me I would be much obliged as I think I saw a robot there.
ok here we are.
our guess is that the blue background represents the blue square in the symbol of first and the 5 represents 5 of something. 5 diamond plate aluminum squares is our guess for the objects. also perhaps we are changing to a circular field. this was the case in fvc so perhaps it will be the same in frc
Athleticgirl389
22-12-2006, 06:54
Or we could all just conceede that were never going to guess this and enjoy our holiday for once without racking our brains. But knowing us that's probably not going to happen:D
I love that idea!!!! :D My brain is hurting trying to get into the minds of those who comeup with the clue for us. It's probably somthing so simple as painting a 5 on diamond plate and the field is a blue color lmao.
Tetraman
22-12-2006, 07:16
If the banana in the five is real...that means that whatever the blue thing is, is also what the blue bot was holding in the dlavery pic.
Tom Bottiglieri
22-12-2006, 07:19
While it may or may not be multiple colors, this game will be highly dependent on some type of dynamic feedback control.
The great TomNack has spoken.
Mike Starke
22-12-2006, 07:41
I think there is way too little information to determine anything. This thread has turned into what we want to see in this year's game, rather than what we really think the game is. Let's all be patient, and either wait for another clue, or wait until kickoff. :]
Try changing the URL of the clue link. Change the "?id=3720" part to another number.;)
Warren Boudreau
22-12-2006, 09:11
This is really a stumper. I have a question. Why is the diamondplate circle truncated at the top and bottom of the picture?
Fireworks 234
22-12-2006, 09:31
This is really a stumper. I have a question. Why is the diamondplate circle truncated at the top and bottom of the picture?
I would have to say that it is truncated because it is a screen shot from a video, like they said earlier. And that it is in motion towards the center of the screen, like a camera was zooming out.
I think there is way too little information to determine anything. This thread has turned into what we want to see in this year's game, rather than what we really think the game is. Let's all be patient, and either wait for another clue, or wait until kickoff. :]
Why be patient? It's more fun SWAGing it. :)
Chief Samwize
22-12-2006, 09:40
Darn my internet crashing, I had to read 23 pages before i could post.
My take on the clue has to deal with music,
-After 5 years in band and learning the circle of 5ths I have determined that with the circle of 5ths the fifth sharp in order is E which is the 5th letter in the alphabet. With music seeming so significant I feel a musical chairs kind of game coming on but insted of music the lights determine when to go and when not to go, like a stoplight which was found in both the official and non offical clue. As for diamond plate I see something like goals which can be scored in, 5 of them of cource. I couldalso see them being numbered with 4 goals, numbers 1, 2, 3, and 4, surrounding the most valuable 5th goal, which can be moved so that the team with control of the goal at the end would recieve a bonus.
Molly Stieber
22-12-2006, 09:47
But what I did think was running off the Baseball Idea. Within the diamond, you have 6 players involved. ( this does not include the outfield and the pitcher. ) You have the batter, 4 infielders and the catcher. 1 of these 6 players at all times stands at the plate, if the batter is not at the plate the game doesn't continue.
.
What would the human player do, stand at the plate, or what?
ewankoff
22-12-2006, 09:55
phew 23 pages of reading over...
maybe bannans are the game piece and they have to be placed on the diamond plate?
Rob2713g
22-12-2006, 10:04
Darn my internet crashing, I had to read 23 pages before i could post.
My take on the clue has to deal with music,
-After 5 years in band and learning the circle of 5ths I have determined that with the circle of 5ths the fifth sharp in order is E which is the 5th letter in the alphabet. With music seeming so significant I feel a musical chairs kind of game coming on but insted of music the lights determine when to go and when not to go, like a stoplight which was found in both the official and non offical clue. As for diamond plate I see something like goals which can be scored in, 5 of them of cource. I couldalso see them being numbered with 4 goals, numbers 1, 2, 3, and 4, surrounding the most valuable 5th goal, which can be moved so that the team with control of the goal at the end would recieve a bonus.
Sometimes I find it easier to look at what something IS NOT to figure out what it is:
IS NOT:
5 robots on the field. There's enough of a problem with teams getting matches in now, and with all the new rookies this would make things worse.
A reference to a prior years game. There are very few people left in FIRST who can think back that many years. Then again, there is a history section on the FIRST page
In another note, I see the same 3 colored "stop light" as I did in the bannana hint.
http://www.cmontom.com/robotics/2007_1.jpg
http://www.cmontom.com/robotics/2007_2.jpg
Does anyone else see the same?
Thread created automatically to discuss this image in CD-Media.
http://www.chiefdelphi.com/media/img/55c/55cfffc4e4274bc0b56d43fe0c60d7d3_m.jpg (http://www.chiefdelphi.com/media/photos/26070?)
When googling banana stoplight, I realized it strangely looks like an "E". The E could easily be made of pieces of PVC and be in different sizes, shapes, or colors.
Dave posted he was listening to Voodoo Child (http://www.chiefdelphi.com/forums/showpost.php?p=131520&postcount=266) (sic)
Lenny Kravitz was rumored to play Hendrix in a movie (http://popwatch.ew.com/popwatch/2005/12/the_wind_cries_.html)
5 was the title of Lenny's fifth album (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/5_%28Lenny_Kravitz_album%29)
Anyone have the album to play backward?
Ted Boucher
22-12-2006, 10:19
So the only clues I see that work perfectly together are the new pictures of a banana being hidden in the picture, the 5, and this one.
Sanddrag earlier stated he saw this also on the FIRST site:
Where squish meets squash, rise and wash.
The 5 picture was originally up and taken down yesterday, could this be a clue that FIRST plans on releasing later.
Now bananas squish and squash, and they are grow up high in trees (rise), and then you wash them before they go to market. Bananas can be picked in different numbers, but a bunch of 5 bananas is not an uncommon thing.
IF sanddrag saw an actual clue, and the banana is really what we think it is in that picture.... then my offical guess is that we will have to stack or unstack a game piece (I am guessing intertubes) from up high, that is in groups of 5.
As for the word wash, it could mean many things like To cause to undergo a swirling action, To flow over, against, or past, or An activity, action, or enterprise that yields neither marked gain nor marked loss. Either of these definitions could make for some interesting game play. Now if it is not the definition of the word it would be the action. As I said, you wash bananas before you go to market, the market could be a high up goal.
Tom Bottiglieri
22-12-2006, 10:22
Can they at least be different colored illuminated inner tubes? CMON I need to be right here!
Johnny Bench, played catcher (my idol from grade school)
If you do remember from the first picture (i know it came early) there was a blue line, the infamous bananna thats on the same side as to robot, and fish... Now to the current clue where there is yet again the bananna and also the #5 and the #5 as stated as a basball player possbly (Johnny Bench) a CATCHER. Now lets think Fishing... Catcher of the fish aka: the robot, and the bananna being a slippery surface... Now if we have robots on both sides then its a catch game. Now ofcourse the camera will be back this year so possible periods that you can score during and others play defence? who knows but hey it could be fun
Sean / Adam
JaneYoung
22-12-2006, 10:35
The arm is going to wash the glass with sponges so the drive team can see more clearly
simple
Athleticgirl389
22-12-2006, 10:42
Can they at least be different colored illuminated inner tubes? CMON I need to be right here!
Yes they can!! Color is good haha
Ted Boucher
22-12-2006, 10:48
Can they at least be different colored illuminated inner tubes? CMON I need to be right here!
Yes they can!! Color is good haha
No way Tom, 2007 should be the first colorblind friendly year of FIRST! Color can be veryyyy bad, meanie crayon box.
5
There are five letters in the name BORAT!!! Maybe he will be coming to the regionals YAY!!! lol
Horman Havoc
22-12-2006, 12:33
Admit it everyone, you too have either printed, set as background, or in another way shape or form have that clue still close to you. I for one have slept with it under my pillow, re-written to santa for another clue, and personally asked every person in the office what they thought.
BuddyB309
22-12-2006, 12:52
MAMBO NUMBER FIVE!!!
tony.dalia.195
22-12-2006, 12:55
not sure if neone said this, but i think there will now be a fifth member to the drive team; two drivers, a coach, and two human players. Or the fifth may do something else.
But im also trying to figure out the man whole cover, maybe it has something to do with the underwater clue, who knows. Im just not going to go crazy over this or else my brain will explode...........maybe it involves brains?
Dan Richardson
22-12-2006, 12:59
Playing of the Lenny Kravitz Idea, because in both those the 5's are nearly identical text and both wierdly placed. In that album apparently 5 restored his career with Fly Away which he won a grammy for.
In the 5th pros of the song it says:
" Let's go and see the stars
The milky way or even Mars
Where it could just be ours"
Who does this sound like to you?
thegathering
22-12-2006, 13:17
We're using our robots to make diamond bathtubs using ceramic plates on top of flaming pentagrams while being fired at by lasers made from modified multi-colored goal lights from last year. :ahh:
It's so obvious. :cool:
Andrew Blair
22-12-2006, 13:23
We're using our robots to make diamond bathtubs using ceramic plates on top of flaming pentagrams while being fired at by lasers made from modified multi-colored goal lights from last year. :ahh:
It's so obvious. :cool:
Lasers...
ok so on our teams forums we have been speculating a little...and one person on the team mentioned that it reminded him of a plinko piece from the price is right...and i got to thinking....thats intirely possible it doesnt explain the backround...unless we have to shoot the plinko pieces through water and have it land on the plinko board thing....but its an idea
Cody Carey
22-12-2006, 13:38
Based on a bit of data that I have no Idea the purpose of, I have decided that something is going to happen to the picture at 6:06 today.
Ericgehrken
22-12-2006, 13:39
I think the game will involve moving boxes because there is a number 5 in the hint and there was five days left until Christmas and Christmas involves moving boxes (presents).
Chief Samwize
22-12-2006, 13:42
Based on a bit of data that I have no Idea the purpose of, I have decided that something is going to happen to the picture at 6:06 today.
Not to be rude but what info and how do you figure that out, I want to know things too:( ...
thegathering
22-12-2006, 13:43
I don't know. Looks like team colors though.
http://img82.imageshack.us/img82/9395/2007clue1jpgpq5.jpg
I see blue, red, and yellow.
Cody Carey
22-12-2006, 13:47
Not to be rude but what info and how do you figure that out, I want to know things too:( ...
Like I said, I have absolutely no Idea what "Expires" means, but It looks interesting.
CE Mexican
22-12-2006, 13:54
Has anyone tried to photoshop the photo and try to change the color of the back ground to deciefer if there is a picture in the back ground?
My guess is that there is something to do with 5 disc shaped objects, possibly a throwing contest of the discs, or maybe the robot is supposed to be shaped in a cylindrical shape.
OH I think that I may have a good idea of what it is. We will have to stack or roll 5 pieces of metal or some other material, to a certain place, such as a goal fo each disc or possibly each disc is worth so many points. Well that is all I can think of for now, so good luck to the rest of you.
Arkorobotics
22-12-2006, 13:58
http://farm1.static.flickr.com/143/330246151_bae65b38f2.jpg
I went "spotlighting" through my computer, and look at what I found! I was talking to Dave when the game was released in 2006, and this is what he said...
I also discovered how bad my grammer was back then. :p
Horman Havoc
22-12-2006, 14:08
After extensive searching and thought provoking questions to all we have come to the conclusion that a wonderful substance instead of water will be used. The answer contains 5 letters and is blue...
JELL-O because its Alive like Johhny #5!
FISHER 237
22-12-2006, 14:10
http://img82.imageshack.us/img82/9395/2007clue1jpgpq5.jpg
I see blue, red, and yellow.
Has anyone tried to photoshop the photo and try to change the color of the back ground to deciefer if there is a picture in the back ground
He did and it looks to me like there is a person in the bottom left hand corner, maybe that has something to do with it? or that could just be my eyes playing tricks on me
:yikes:
Cody Carey
22-12-2006, 14:27
I believe that since this is a frame from a video, we won't find anything by manipulating the image in any way...
clean399
22-12-2006, 14:30
I have got it since there is a banana it has something to do with peanut-butter jelly time.
Bill Moore
22-12-2006, 14:58
1) Theory of one of our Mentors
The number 5 is ‘V’ in roman numerals. ‘V’ rhymes with ’C’. The letter ‘C’ is pronounced the same as ‘sea’.
"That's Pool, with a capital P, and that rhymes with T, and that stands forTrouble" . . . right here in River City!
Rest easy, Meredith Willson.
John Gutmann
22-12-2006, 14:59
First off, lets only look at what they give us, no assuming and no infering....
So, now som things to consider:
1. The "diamond plate" shape ins't a circle, it is a rounded object with flats
It Could possible be a circle, but we do not see the whole perimeter of the object.
2. It is a diamonplate PATTERN, it isn't an actual picture of diamondplate.
3. The colors, blue may or may not have any significance, it is part of FIRST's logo and it is part of EVERY game. The "diamond plate" is a flat finish....and actual diamond plate has some luster to it. The 5 is black. I don't have anything to go with it, but it is just black......
4. The meaning of the 5. FIRST has done many things in past years. Go back and look what it could connect to..... 5 points for a object, 5x multiplier, 5 ways to score, 5 players?, 5 possible main strategies, 5 places to score, 5 new things in the kit, 5 pounds more for your robot weight, 5 weeks to finish building your robot? It could mean anything, or it could mean nothing.
5. 5 players, think about it doesn't FIRST want everything to be fair? So if there was 5 players how would they make the game fair? Half way through have the player switch teams? maybe maybe not. But remember in '06 the person who won autonomous almost always won the match. So if the extra bot if on one side for autonomous the other team would have a lesser chance of doing good. unless of course the drastically change the game.
BuddyB309
22-12-2006, 15:40
Aha! the image is in layers. here is what I got!
http://www.campusprogress.org/sync/images/1062.jpg
TUBES!! The game is going to be a seris of tubes!
My point: there is no way anyone is going to figure out this clue, all we got is a black 5, a diamond plate circle, and some crazy blue background. Its not much to go on. I dont mean stop trying, but some of these sugesstions are getting ridiculous. Water? there is no way it would be allowed on the field. there is too many room for things to go wrong with water near elecrical equipment.
RoboCoach
22-12-2006, 15:44
For what it's worth, I'm throwing out a guess.
I like the King of the Hill idea, possibly played with five bots on a pentagon-shaped field manipulating truncated icosahedrons (Bucky ball - It has 32 faces, of which 20 are regular hexagons and 12 are regular pentagons). There are five steps leaging up to a round platform (the "hill")
Probably going overkill on the "5", but food for thought.....
John Gutmann
22-12-2006, 15:54
Just throwing it out there, a few years ago we used soccer balls. And soccer balls are made of 5 sided and 6 sides geometric shapes. A ball is a nice game piece.
im just going to throw this out there, but in the lower left corner, where some people saw a person, it kinda looks like there is a santa hat too
Wayne C.
22-12-2006, 16:02
ok- an old guys 2 cents-
the diamond plate circle represents a circular goal or platform that can only fit 5 of the robots on the field and not 6. That leaves one man out and one team the round winner and one the loser.
the red, blue and yellow green are the three colors of the diodes used- red and blue are teams and grteen is the neutral color diode. Perhaps there is a "score on demand of the light" facet this year
of course the letter 5 and diamond might refer to the Hope Diamond and its 5 notorious owners- all of which succumbed to the curse of the stone. That means we have no Hope.....
of course all this could be bovine fecal matter...
Merry Christmas
WC :rolleyes: :cool:
Look in the lower right corner area of the picture, I am seeing a banana. Let me adjust some of the levels in the image, and edit this post once I have enhanced it.
EDIT: Here we go. There's no doubt about it. That's a banana.
http://www.chiefdelphi.com/media/img/55c/55cfffc4e4274bc0b56d43fe0c60d7d3_l.jpg
your post was the funniest thing i've ever seen
i think...
that since 5 is one number less than 6, and 6 is half of 12, but 12 divided by 3 is 4, there will be 4 teams. I have also come to the conclusion that since there are 4 teams, and a blue background, and blue is close to violet, which is close to a more redish color, which is close to red, there will be two teams, one red, and one blue. The diamond plate obviously implies real diamonds, which means our game piece will be real diamonds... I think i'm on to something...
no, not really, but thats what some of the posts are starting to sound like :)
Heretic121
22-12-2006, 16:42
While it may or may not be multiple colors, this game will be highly dependent on some type of dynamic feedback control.
The great TomNack has spoken.
you only say that because of your amazingly awesomely crazly box you built last year...
5 = objectives or points per objective...
Diamond plate... more of it than last year...
Circle = balls, platforms, holes in the driver stations
whitetiger0990
22-12-2006, 16:49
Like I said, I have absolutely no Idea what "Expires" means, but It looks interesting.
Expires is when the cache of the image on your computer is removed.
Now, the image is a JPEG, using JFIF standard 1.01 (which is not uncommon). From what I see, there is no embedded thumbnail. Nothing pops out when I view it in a hex. There is nothing human readable in the non-binary parts of the file. (besides the JFIF header)
In the picture itself, from what I can tell, the background is indeed mostly blue and gray (no surprise there). The plate is mostly red, green, and yellow. The '5' is made up of dark grays. (ranging from close to #0A0A0A to #0D0D0D). And unless there is some fancy steganography stuff, I don't think there is anything -literally- hidden in the image.
But I bet someone out there will think that the red,yellow,green, and blue represent 'targets' of some sort which a camera will have to detect and do something accordingly. Perhaps there is a 5th color too. But I doubt it. =p It'd have to be a purple... it's the only distinct enough color left that a camera would be able to pick up (from what I believe, someone disagree?)
EDIT: whoops, messed up my hex codes for the colors, fixed.
joshsmithers
22-12-2006, 16:57
the water could just be a reference to pool lining. maybe the flooring will be made of this instead of carpet this year or something else similar
pool lining-thats a thought!
perhaps the outer edge of the field is pool lining while the inner area will be the "manhole" area of the field(possibly raised?)
as for the "5", i dont know what to think.
I'm having trouble posting the image, but if you look at the clue in chrome, it definately looks like a water game.
Michael Hill
22-12-2006, 17:18
I saw part of this mentioned in another topic (that I can no longer find)
http://www.toledo-bend.com/colorblind/Color5-2.jpg
This is the ishihara test for red-green color blind. Other than to let us know which color-blindness test it is, I believe the 5 is just there to throw us off. Ok, so this may let us figure out that we are dealing either with red/green lights or red/green alliances. I'm assuming red and green lights. To me, the circle looks like diamond plate, and the blue looks like some type of rough water. So this means a....diamond in the rough??? OK, I don't know that one; I'm still figuring it out. I'm fairly certain that's what the 5 and circle means however.
whitetiger0990
22-12-2006, 17:18
Try changing the URL of the clue link. Change the "?id=3720" part to another number.;)
uhh..
I scanned all the IDs from 1-8000 and got the lines that matched [Cc]lue. There were only 7. Three used the word in normal sentences, 3 linked to the clue, 1 was the actual clue.
(and I probably shouldn't scan them again, =\ )
5 is probably there, like last year for the one player that is the backbot out of the 6
Vince lau
22-12-2006, 18:02
Based on a bit of data that I have no Idea the purpose of, I have decided that something is going to happen to the picture at 6:06 today.
its almost 6:06pm
goes to FIRST website
1359th Scalawag
22-12-2006, 18:09
its almost 6:06pm
goes to FIRST website
Aww, it's only 3:00 where I live...
whitetiger0990
22-12-2006, 18:16
its almost 6:06pm
goes to FIRST website
My cache expires "Friday, December 22, 2006 11:11:09 PM"
I think that it's just 24 hours after you viewed it first.
Playing of the Lenny Kravitz Idea, because in both those the 5's are nearly identical text and both wierdly placed. In that album apparently 5 restored his career with Fly Away which he won a grammy for.
In the 5th pros of the song it says:
" Let's go and see the stars
The milky way or even Mars
Where it could just be ours"
Who does this sound like to you?Closing the loop, Cornell/JPL used "Fly Away" for the launch sequence in this CGI video (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iBcSSCkL1UE) of the Athena (http://athena.cornell.edu/) mission to Mars.
Check out how the Athena lander deploys the rover. Could we see a return of the mini-bots of Zone Zeal (http://www.chiefdelphi.com/media/photos/14185)?
Silent_Stryker
22-12-2006, 18:23
had some photoshop un, gave a bit more definition to the background:
http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y138/SilentStryk07/2007Clue1.jpg
it definitely looks like there's something (other than the banana) in the lower right
Jack Jones
22-12-2006, 18:26
Got guess? => Get in line http://www.chiefdelphi.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=50637
burkey_turkey
22-12-2006, 18:30
after reading throuh more than 25 pages of speculation, i beleive i have an accurate summary of whats going on:
first off, i think we cna conclude it is not a water challenge. keep in mind that this is still a competitive game and people get pissed when something happens that mkaes them loose. if there is to be water, then there will be a great deal of inconsistancy to deal with. i dont think i even need to explain why i think the 'rogue' robot would be cool but completely NOT GONNA HAPPEN
so here is what is on my sticky note ive been keeping while reading:
-card game theme - (5 of diamonds...)
-step to climb - (the shadow of the circle looks like a step out of a pool)
-platform - (like the step, there is prolly a diamond platofrom somewhere)
-bad crop - puzzle? - (possibly future clues will fit onto this one like a puzzle)
-5 diff height platofroms + steps? - (speaks for itself, kind of)
-50? - (the and the circle makes 50. 50 something i dont know)
-SCREENSHOT - (most likely a cropped screenshot from the animation, -possibly cropped to hide something on the top or bottom of that circle, like it being mounted, and the blue stuff is fuzz to hide the game animation, a human player is barely visible on the right side)
-olympics - (five rings in the olympics? possibly an olympic game theme)
-pool, as in billiards - (that could be a cool game theme, circle looks like pool ball number 5)
-22" in diameter if riges are scaled - (if to scale, the plate would be about this size based on the riges)
-baseball! - (possibly bases activating for points or something? baseball theme quite probabal)
-goals on 4 corners like bb - (more baseball theme, goals on corners + center = 5)
-5 periods - (game play periods, autonomous + 4 more)
-inner tubes - (maybe stacked on poles)
-blue=square - (in the first logo, plus we are overdue for a square challenge - sq, circ, tri, circ, NOW)
thats what i have sumarized, i hope this either enlightens some, or helps others to not have to read quite so thoroughly b4 posting
PS
my personal thoughts: im thinking baseball; with diamond plated weight activated sensors on different sides as bases, points are scored at the end of each period for each of your bases that does NOT have a bot on it. ramps etc to climb over in the middle.
Kristian Calhoun
22-12-2006, 18:43
Got guess? => Get in line http://www.chiefdelphi.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=50637
Yes, it has been said many times before, but before you go around creating new threads, it is highly advised that you read through the "Official" thread where all discussion about the 2007 game hint is taking place. And even if you do not read through the entire thread, at least use the in-thread search function.
For example, a quick search for "blindness" brought up this post (http://www.chiefdelphi.com/forums/showpost.php?p=543882&postcount=90), on page 6 regarding the ishihara test, which you could have then simply quoted and replied to.
after reading throuh more than 25 pages of speculation, i beleive i have an accurate summary of whats going on:
first off, i think we cna conclude it is not a water challenge. keep in mind that this is still a competitive game and people get pissed when something happens that mkaes them loose. if there is to be water, then there will be a great deal of inconsistancy to deal with. i dont think i even need to explain why i think the 'rogue' robot would be cool but completely NOT GONNA HAPPEN
so here is what is on my sticky note ive been keeping while reading:
-card game theme - (5 of diamonds...)
-step to climb - (the shadow of the circle looks like a step out of a pool)
-platform - (like the step, there is prolly a diamond platofrom somewhere)
-bad crop - puzzle? - (possibly future clues will fit onto this one like a puzzle)
-5 diff height platofroms + steps? - (speaks for itself, kind of)
-50? - (the and the circle makes 50. 50 something i dont know)
-SCREENSHOT - (most likely a cropped screenshot from the animation, -possibly cropped to hide something on the top or bottom of that circle, like it being mounted, and the blue stuff is fuzz to hide the game animation, a human player is barely visible on the right side)
-olympics - (five rings in the olympics? possibly an olympic game theme)
-pool, as in billiards - (that could be a cool game theme, circle looks like pool ball number 5)
-22" in diameter if riges are scaled - (if to scale, the plate would be about this size based on the riges)
-baseball! - (possibly bases activating for points or something? baseball theme quite probabal)
-goals on 4 corners like bb - (more baseball theme, goals on corners + center = 5)
-5 periods - (game play periods, autonomous + 4 more)
-inner tubes - (maybe stacked on poles)
-blue=square - (in the first logo, plus we are overdue for a square challenge - sq, circ, tri, circ, NOW)
thats what i have sumarized, i hope this either enlightens some, or helps others to not have to read quite so thoroughly b4 posting
PS
my personal thoughts: im thinking baseball; with diamond plated weight activated sensors on different sides as bases, points are scored at the end of each period for each of your bases that does NOT have a bot on it. ramps etc to climb over in the middle.
Good stuff..
What about another tangent:
What if the "diamond plate" is actually the moon? five moon? Fifth planet from the sun is jupiter...
what of that?
Vince lau
22-12-2006, 19:10
back to the baseball theme some of you mentioned. Baseball is played on a diamond, home plate has 5 sides, the five is sitting on a circle. In baseball in you have to touch all 3 bases to score or round the bases. So what if the task is you have to do three things (three colour lights, you have to complete on task before going to the next) and touch home plate to score points
blah I don't know
Nitroxextreme
22-12-2006, 19:11
How come nobody ask ME what it is like living with HIM??!?!!
-dave
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Ok....now im sure the "period" has some importance
This is the second time I have seen Dave end his post with a period.
There must be some rhyme or reason...WHY!!!
raymaniac
22-12-2006, 19:19
How come nobody ask ME what it is like living with HIM??!?!!
-dave
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Ok....now im sure the "period" has some importance
This is the second time I have seen Dave end his post with a period.
There must be some rhyme or reason...WHY!!!
The reason is to confuse us and cause even more speculation then we already have.
I said this earlier, but dave still has not posted in this thread. The quote was from earlier today, so yes he has been on CD.
Then agian, I'm sure if he did post in this thread it would be just to confuse us even more and the game ideas would get even wierder than they already are.
I'll bet that just to cause even more speculation, if he did post in this thread, he would only post five times, and I'm sure someone would notice and point it out, resulting in even more unrealilistic guesses and speculations.
Cody Carey
22-12-2006, 19:24
True, and If I've noticed one thing about Dave, It's that he is a tricky little lawn gnome. (figuratively speaking)
raymaniac
22-12-2006, 19:28
True, and If I've noticed one thing about Dave, It's that he is a tricky little lawn gnome. (figuratively speaking)
I sense some photoshopping...
Bcahn836
22-12-2006, 19:58
My $0.02 with the whole 5 thing, for one i don't think it has anything to do with the number of robots on the field of play. With the amount of teams entered growing every year it will be almost impossible to shrink the # of teams on the field. However as mentioned many times before i think 5 will refer to the number of scoring areas or scoring objects on the field.
teh_pwnerer795
22-12-2006, 20:01
5 in five different categories?? maybe?
also!! ..
the type of metal used... is also used on a ship:P
and theres blue around it :O:O.... i sense a water game!! lmao
raymaniac
22-12-2006, 20:08
I now officially HATE the number 5.
teh_pwnerer795
22-12-2006, 20:13
I now officially HATE the number 5.
toaly agree w/ u on that 1 ... man i'd hate to have a birthday on the 5th
raymaniac
22-12-2006, 20:28
toaly agree w/ u on that 1 ... man i'd hate to have a birthday on the 5th
I'm glad I don't. 15th is pretty close though.
bear24rw
22-12-2006, 20:43
Anyone else see the alien face half way up on the right?
someone pointed that out several pages ago...
it reminds me of E.T.
i got it!!!! we're using alians for our game piece!!!!
i knew id get it eventually...
~Alex~
raymaniac
22-12-2006, 20:56
if you Google 5 (http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&lr=&q=5&btnG=Search), the 5th result is Dole 5 a day (http://www.dole5aday.com/). Maybe the game will have something to do with health, then the banana would make sense. Possible games include...
Robots force kids to eat their broccoli (or bananas)
Robots make healthy (banana?) jell-o for dave
Robot exercise
Robots take doghnuts away from kids and give them healthy food (bananas) (any guesses on what dave will do with the doughnuts?:D )
Robots fight an E. coli outbreak
This is getting wierder by the second. I don't even believe myself.
Goober!!!
22-12-2006, 20:59
I think it might deal with "golf"???
the round dimond plate looks like a golf ball and 5-might deal with 5 holes and the blue back ground-I HAVE NO CLUE!!!:D :D :D
Goober!!!
Richard Wallace
22-12-2006, 21:11
400 posts and Dave is still laughing. EDIT: correction -- he is "Just making it up as I go along..."
billy9083
22-12-2006, 21:12
did anyone notice that the five was on like a coin or something and not attached to the background
prettycolors91
22-12-2006, 21:13
obviously we're going to have to build boats with giant magnets to pick up the aluminum pieces off the bottom of a pool. duh. :p
*Time for advil.....*
obviously we're going to have to build boats with giant magnets to pick up the aluminum pieces off the bottom of a pool. duh. :p
Especially because you can pick up aluminum with a magnet ;)
Squishylizard
22-12-2006, 21:18
Hi, too lazy to read the whole thread.
Boron is the 5th Element. The comp will therefor be very slow and BORing, as in more of a strategy game than an action game like last years. The diamond plate attests to the incredible heat and pressures involved in this game, heat and pressures found in a Generation II star, such as our sun. The sun is in space, obviously symbolized by the nebulous blue background. THUS, the 2007 FRC game will take place IN THE SUN!!!!!! The only option now is to destroy the sun before it's too late.
BlondeNerd
22-12-2006, 21:22
My Guess: There will be a resonating SMACK as we all bring our hands to our foreheads when the game is actually revealed. It will be extremely obvious once we know the answer :p .
I just read most of these 27 pages of propositions and I think the most feasable idea is that there may be more than one based on the file name and countdown-type look about it. We'll just wait and see...:rolleyes:
Maybe the 5 is totally irrelevant to the game or even only represents a boundary of the rules that stretches as far as an irrelevant rule like how many judges need to be on the field to judge
did anyone notice that the five was on like a coin or something and not attached to the background
As soon as you said that I thought of Monopoly..
raymaniac
22-12-2006, 21:44
*sigh* I step away from my computer for 45 minutes and there is already another page in this thread. I'm going to have to read for a long time when I get on tomorrow.
Dasistmeinmoped
22-12-2006, 21:46
for some reason all of this hint stuff isnt getting to me. i survived this entire day without even realizing it was out untill now.
maybe the hints lack of hintyness is because FIRST is behind, struggling to prepare the game, and kick off. bahahah
it could be the scandle of the century
yeah no i need orange juice.
and monster energy.
no sleep.
Josh Murphy
22-12-2006, 21:51
notice no posts from any of the "Masters" like, Baker, Copioli, Beatty, ETC...... HMM makes me wonder, Ithink there are more hints to come because this clue sucks.:)
for some reason all of this hint stuff isnt getting to me. i survived this entire day without even realizing it was out untill now.
maybe the hints lack of hintyness is because FIRST is behind, struggling to prepare the game, and kick off. bahahah
it could be the scandle of the century
yeah no i need orange juice.
and monster energy.
no sleep.
I am fueled by Monster. I live for it.
The clue just isnt doing anything for me. It has to be more complecated than what I see, but it just isnt interesting me much. I just see a 5 on a diamond plated aluminium, but there must be a deeper meaning.
Has anyone considered the game, Five Alive?: Players must protect their five lives by either not bringing the point total over twenty-one or by not running out of cards. If a player cannot play a card, he or she loses a life (letter in ALIVE) Last one in wins. Hmmm...
ecg.logan
22-12-2006, 22:00
I'm not sure if this has been suggested already or not, but if you turn the "5" on its side (90 degrees clockwise) it looks suspiciously like a basketball hoop kind of scoring apparatus. Maybe that's too far out of the box, but who knows?
Hmmm... five on a silver colored circle...anyone mention nickels?...anyone famous named Nickel?
raymaniac
22-12-2006, 22:10
notice no posts from any of the "Masters" like, Baker, Copioli, Beatty, ETC...... HMM makes me wonder, Ithink there are more hints to come because this clue sucks.:)
And dave (as I have pointed out many times).
They won't post because they know anything they say will automatically be asumed to be a game hint, and there is enough chaos and confusion already.
Horman Havoc
22-12-2006, 22:12
Ok so here is wat i got now.
BRING BACK THE RIDDLES!
other than that i got a 5, a diamond plate cirlce, and a blue background...
Hmmm... five on a silver colored circle...anyone mention nickels?...anyone famous named Nickel?
According to wikipedia, "nickel" is a defense formation in American football.
Perhaps a hint that defense will be important this year?
Horman Havoc
22-12-2006, 22:20
Alright so i had my father look at the picture and this is his idea:
The diamond plate will need to be hit and "spun" causing either sumthing like dunk tank effect or thats how you score points....
Hey who knows because of how its cropped.
JaneYoung
22-12-2006, 22:54
Dave talks about five here:
http://www.chiefdelphi.com/forums/showpost.php?p=271802&postcount=9
I thought this was a very cool post by Mr. Kressly and then I started humming the 12 Days of Christmas....
Slap yourselves in the face...hmm...
The Slap-o-matic was on the board game "hands down" aka best game ever!
Hands have 5 fingers, usually.
In that amazingly wonderful game you had to Slap or win when you saw a pair.
Take from my tired thoughts as you wish.
Cpt_Dave_Lister
22-12-2006, 23:19
Dang! And here I was getting all excited about finding out about the game!!!
-dave
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Hmmm 5 lines between the first line and the period.. :ahh:
Anybody notice this? o.O? :]
I was wondering about that, but its not always the case. Sometimes its 4, sometimes its 6. I think Dave's just messing with whats left of our brains again.
Someone mentioned that Joe DiMaggio's number was 5. He has the record for the most consecutive games with one base hit or more (56). Noting what appears to be a goal from '05 in the lower right, and knowing the hint from then and the game name had to do with baseball (not to mention the "diamond" "plate"--both baseball terms), I'd guess that the game will be similar to a baseball game in at least one element.
My latest guess: game piece softballs, some form of base somewhere, played something like '05.
I'm probably way off. Dave and the GDC pulled a good one. I bet a riddle would have been too easy for us to figure out, so a simple game? My head is hurting badly...
Edit: I meant most consecutive. (Sorry, mikemax.) Although could acutally be that way...
Edit2: Indysam was the one who caught Joe DiMaggio's number--back in post 38.
sweep4er
22-12-2006, 23:51
Also, does the 5 in a circle somewhat remind anyone else of the Ishihara Test for Color Blindness?
Here is an example of this test
http://www.toledo-bend.com/colorblind/Color5-2.jpg
Also last year at nationals the possiblity of color changing lights was addressed. Here is another thread discussing that topic.
http://www.chiefdelphi.com/forums/showthread.php?t=46942
Now to my idea. The CMUCam would make a return. The basis of the game would be somewhat like the Milwaukee VEX challenge King of the Rings. http://www.wirobotics.org/vex/2006/index.html Here is a rule manual for those that do not know what the game is all about.
As already mentions the game piece would be kid-sized pool tubes, like life preservers. This is because the clue is a zoomed in picture.
Around the field would be poles, on which the tubes are stacked on, kind of like 2005's Triple Play. This is where the camera comes into play. Near each pole is a color changing light. They change randomly between a limited amount of colors. Then the Ishihara Test for Color Blindness comes into play. Only poles with lights of a certain color can be scored. Maybe for one round red lighted poles count.
The diamonded plated circle functions like the circle in King of the Rings This is the king of the hill portion of the game. Which ever robot gets on the platform at the end of the match gets points.
The only things that I have not accounted for are
1)the number five on the diamond plated circle in the clue
2)the lights change color but there is no real targeting involved. This though could be a built in element so rookie teams can try to place rings on plates while still giving experienced teams the challenge of using the camera to perfect dropping of tubes.
So what does everyone think?
Someone mentioned that Joe DiMaggio's number was 5. He has the record for the longest number of games with one base hit or more (56). Noting what appears to be a goal from '05 in the lower right, and knowing the hint from then and the game name had to do with baseball (not to mention the "diamond" "plate"--both baseball terms), I'd guess that the game will be similar to a baseball game in at least one element.
good find on the joe dimaggio stuff...maybe your on to something....maybe its not about baseball but like you said in the post above me...joe dimaggio has the record for THE LONGEST GAMES....maybe the clue is supposed to say that the game is gunna be longer then normal.
or considering it does have refrences to the '05 game...maybe it has refrences to the other games as well...maybe it will be a mix of all of them! i dont know...my head hurts alot
Rickertsen2
23-12-2006, 00:11
Could the round diamond plate simply be part of the field. Perhaps part of some sort of objective in the middle? Cound 5 represent the number of teams or goals or some sort of important element of the game?
Tom Bottiglieri
23-12-2006, 00:29
Wow...
It finally makes sense.
Thank you everyone for the 2 week head start. I can sleep happy tonight.
I thought game hints were supposed to be vauge/confusing sentences, has FIRST decided to change from text to graphic?
Of course when you think about it this hint is infinitley easier for them to relate to the game, it could literaly be anything.
This also makes it virtually impossible to guess anything. Unless they give us something more specific I think we should all sit back and save our brains for when we'll need them most; build season.
Alan Anderson
23-12-2006, 00:38
The five of diamonds is widely believed to be the fifth card of Wild Bill Hickock's "Dead Man's Hand" of Aces and Eights.
notice no posts from any of the "Masters" like, Baker, Copioli, Beatty, ETC......
Ever think that they might be enjoying a quiet vacation with family this time of year?
Vashts6583
23-12-2006, 00:42
Ok, so I didn't read through every single post on here, so I'm not sure if this was mentioned, but a friend of mine asked where the poem was while we were discussing this, so in the next 4 minutes and 25 seconds, i created this shakespearean sonnet out of thin air, and now i present it to you as well.
"this game is strange; i do not understand
the purpose for this hint its meaning so bizzare.
So strange no team will have the upper hand
because this clue out there is just so far
the number five on this strange metal plate
placed on a background of the color blue
now things like this i really truly hate
because i can't discern a thing; no clue.
now what the heck could this whole puzzle mean
for surely FIRST would not just put this out
without an answer that they would have seen
for there's an answer there; we'll ne'er find out.
but all i know of this is that we'll try
and once we see the cause, our minds will fry"
©Rob Metzger, 2007
Hope you liked it.
Heretic121
23-12-2006, 00:44
No way Tom, 2007 should be the first colorblind friendly year of FIRST! Color can be veryyyy bad, meanie crayon box.
AHAHHA! omfg <3 teddles...
color blind friendly game... or maybe... your team should do a color test before highering thier drivers =O espically arm manipulators =P <3
A Book Of Five Rings (Go Rin No Sho), by Miyamoto Musashi. Musashi was possibly the greatest swordsman to have ever lived. His trieste on the Way of the Sword describes his practice of cutting right to the heart of the opposition, in the most efficient and expeditious manner possible. Extended to a way of life, this philosophy teaches an approach to getting right to the central cause of a problem, and finding the most efficient understanding of the true nature of things as the first step in countering the issue.
Musashi, by Elji Yoshikawa. A massive biography about the real life of Miyamoto Musashi. A wonderful glimpse into the changes that Musashi experienced while reaching insights that allowed him to author A Book Of Five Rings. His life defined the term "single-minded pursuit of a goal." His absolute dedication to understanding of the Way of the Sword for his entire life had a purity and purpose that was both enviable and ultimately moral at a level I can only partially grasp.
http://www.chiefdelphi.com/forums/showpost.php?p=271802&postcount=9
funstuff
23-12-2006, 00:53
My thoughts are pretty vague (and scattered), but I believe that this (http://www.yankeecontainers.com/Items/HED-WPB7204.html) might help.
Blue + circle (from the top) + rectangle (from the side) + 5 (gallons) = something to do with the game
A cylinder is a shape that we have never dealt with yet and it is possible that they will throw something new at us. The cylinders might be filled with something for weight, though they probably wont be. The cylinders could be moved around the field strategically, possibly stacked for bonus points.
The diamond plate is on the field somewhere, as always. I doubt they will change the team and alliance format (3 v 3).
clean399
23-12-2006, 01:01
Ok I don't think i have seen this yet but the driver's stations are made of Diamond plate maybe we will have a five sided field.
efoote868
23-12-2006, 01:34
it reminds me of E.T.
i got it!!!! we're using alians for our game piece!!!!
True, and If I've noticed one thing about Dave, It's that he is a tricky little lawn gnome. (figuratively speaking)
I sense some photoshopping...
yeah... (http://good-times.webshots.com/photo/2879209580083923565OcUkxs)
John Gutmann
23-12-2006, 01:38
the funny thing is that almost everything we are guessing may or may not be right or wrong. We could argue that the game this year has this this and this to do with it solely based on the fact that the game piece from 2006 is a tetra which has 6 edges, and it was the first year to allow 6 team on the field during play..............OOOO conspiracy how fun.........
Winged Globe
23-12-2006, 02:36
A search for "logo" didn't turn this up, so... does anyone think the object in lower right of the blue background is a slightly distorted triangle from the FIRST logo?
Just me? Okay...
hmm i dont know if its been mentioned before but...maybe we have been looking at this in the wrong way...maybe it is the number 5 but not the english number 5...in roman numerals 5=V...maybe the letter V is what dave was getting at....a V shaped field...V shaped objects....or even V shaped dimond plated robots!
also if u turn a V upside down...and put it on top of anthother right side up V you get a dimond...so half of that would make a triangle..maybe we are bringing back the tetras....and 2 Vs in roman numarals makes 10 or X...its really late and i could just be crazy...i probibly am but it just accured to me while watching V for Vendetta that 5=V and that got me thinking...so take what you want from this post...or any of my others...these are my ideas..well except the plinko one...that was a teammate of mines
hmm i dont know if its been mentioned before but...maybe we have been looking at this in the wrong way...maybe it is the number 5 but not the english number 5...in roman numerals 5=V...maybe the letter V is what dave was getting at....a V shaped field...V shaped objects....or even V shaped dimond plated robots!
also if u turn a V upside down...and put it on top of anthother right side up V you get a dimond...so half of that would make a triangle..maybe we are bringing back the tetras....and 2 Vs in roman numarals makes 10 or X...its really late and i could just be crazy...i probibly am but it just accured to me while watching V for Vendetta that 5=V and that got me thinking...so take what you want from this post...or any of my others...these are my ideas..well except the plinko one...that was a teammate of mines
It could be a pyramid?
or wait.. a TRAFFIC CONE? Remember the demand for that a few years ago?
I've also been getting on the baseball game boat..
Remember dlavery's Go! stop! stop! go! "hint" -- when you are playing baseball, you have to "wait" for an opportunity to go around the bases.
I'm also thinking of the game red light, green light that I played with my sister as a kid. Still had to wait for the "opportunity" to move without getting caught.
I also keep thinking of the game Jax.
http://www.chiefdelphi.com/forums/showthread.php?p=502049&highlight=rings+hoops+hula#post502049
http://www.chiefdelphi.com/forums/showthread.php?p=265745&highlight=rings+hoops+hula#post265745
http://www.chiefdelphi.com/forums/showthread.php?p=314079&highlight=rings+hoops+hula#post314079
http://www.chiefdelphi.com/forums/showthread.php?p=261801&highlight=rings+hoops+hula#post261801
Suggestions have been made for hula-hoops, and things of that nature, so I guess its possible.
(btw, I'm just playing off everyone else at this point.. I realized long ago that I didn't have a clue what this hint means..)
Nitroxextreme
23-12-2006, 09:26
It could be a pyramid?
or wait.. a TRAFFIC CONE? Remember the demand for that a few years ago?
I've also been getting on the baseball game boat..
Remember dlavery's Go! stop! stop! go! "hint" -- when you are playing baseball, you have to "wait" for an opportunity to go around the bases.
I'm also thinking of the game red light, green light that I played with my sister as a kid. Still had to wait for the "opportunity" to move without getting caught.
I also keep thinking of the game Jax.
http://www.chiefdelphi.com/forums/showthread.php?p=502049&highlight=rings+hoops+hula#post502049
http://www.chiefdelphi.com/forums/showthread.php?p=265745&highlight=rings+hoops+hula#post265745
http://www.chiefdelphi.com/forums/showthread.php?p=314079&highlight=rings+hoops+hula#post314079
http://www.chiefdelphi.com/forums/showthread.php?p=261801&highlight=rings+hoops+hula#post261801
Suggestions have been made for hula-hoops, and things of that nature, so I guess its possible.
(btw, I'm just playing off everyone else at this point.. I realized long ago that I didn't have a clue what this hint means..)
If we are gonna open up the supply and demand question....
who can relate this clue to mailboxes
Veryser127
23-12-2006, 10:25
Here's a thought that my mentor had. He said the Plate reminded him of the front plate of a boilermaker and connected it with the old nickle-plate railroad. So he thinks bridges or rails. I think we will have bridges, because of last years game hint with the banana, i think it is symbolic of slipping and falling off a bridge into a virtual river in the middle of the field.
JaneYoung
23-12-2006, 10:33
*ears perk up*
railroad
boilermaker
bridges
how cool is that....be cool if the robots could have whistles...
Edit: see post below -
Ok, I - was - joking about the whistle part, long low whistle part. Honest.
Billfred
23-12-2006, 10:39
how cool is that....be cool if the robots could have whistles...
Yeah, except for that whole writhing in robotic pain (http://forums.usfirst.org/showthread.php?t=361) part.
(yeah yeah, I know, last year's rules don't apply...)
Cody Carey
23-12-2006, 10:42
We have a motorcycle horn and a car alarm on out T-shirt cannon...
All the better to destroy your eardrums with.
Two sports related thoughts, 5 is the number of not only Joe DiMaggio the consecutive games with a hit leader but also of Pete Rose, the playuer with the most hits ever, as well several other hall of famers.
My other thought is that Diamond plate is steel, and the Pittsburgh Steelers just won their 5th championship in football so maybe we have a football game piece this year.
Yes, it has been said many times before, but before you go around creating new threads, it is highly advised that you read through the "Official" thread where all discussion about the 2007 game hint is taking place. And even if you do not read through the entire thread, at least use the in-thread search function.
For example, a quick search for "blindness" brought up this post (http://www.chiefdelphi.com/forums/showpost.php?p=543882&postcount=90), on page 6 regarding the ishihara test, which you could have then simply quoted and replied to.
Ouch. That made me cringe.
bilal1219
23-12-2006, 12:19
I think it Has some thing to do with Water. lol :D .(This means lexan all over the bot). apartfrom this i Think the robot als have to climb the platform.
But i dont think this clue is allright the one they gave it on the FIRST Website. No none knows what # 5 means it can means any thing. Maybe 5 on 5 robot.
Well, all i wish the game should be easy enough to drive in the game feild like it was last year.
Two sports related thoughts, 5 is the number of not only Joe DiMaggio the consecutive games with a hit leader but also of Pete Rose, the playuer with the most hits ever, as well several other hall of famers.
Sorry, but Johnny Bench was number 5. Pete Rose was #14.
This thread is getting very long and so I haven't read it all but.... Has anyone given thought that there might be 5 discs arranged across the center of the field? Each disc might be free rotating or worse yet under the control of the human players (One under control of a randomizing computer). The object would be to move game pieces from the opponent’s side to your side or maybe vice-versa?
Ian Curtis
23-12-2006, 12:56
Can I make a request?
Please, please, don't apoligize for not reading the thread, and then post an idea becuase someone else may have had that same idea on a page you haven't read. Just read the thread before you post! :)
Beta Version
23-12-2006, 12:57
I like the way this combines all the elements of the picture.
It stems from the 5 of diamonds idea
Maybe its not the five of diamonds like our regular cards, because, why is it in a circle of diamond plate? It's the tarot version. The tarot version of diamonds is pentacles and discs. Its not a circle with diamonds on it, its the pentacle/disk in tarot cards. The five of discs.
The five of discs is allways pictured as a cripple outside of a church or biulding in need of help. It represents a lack of material, misfortune, or bieng handicapped in some way. It also means bieng outside where you wish to be, and bieng in need of a support group to accomplish your goals.
One of the team members is disabled/crippled in some way and the other two team members must help them get somewhere/accomplish the task?
To far fetched? What do you think?
Tim Arnold
23-12-2006, 13:24
I can't see the number, do I instant-win?
fluffanator279
23-12-2006, 13:25
Does no on remember how first likes to layer their hints? So on i go with this...
There was diamond plate in the hint.
There is a musical artist by the name of neil diamond.
Neil diamond has a song called solitary man.
it is festured on his greatest hits album.
there are two prominent sports where you hit others. [something that happens on the FIRST field by pure accident]
Football and hockey. football has 5 lineman that block. hockey has 5 skaters on the ice.
since there isnt anything round in football, this leaves hockey.
hockey has a puck AND is played on frozen WATER.
Theres going to a lone bot of somesort, doing something with a puck. Or the game is just going to be called "Thin Ice" and every move will have to be real delicate.
Imprudent
23-12-2006, 13:36
I would just like to throw out there, that 5 teams would be very difficult to work with. The alliances would be unequal, and if one were to be switching back and fourth between alliances, it would be difficult to determine if they won or lost. After all, FIRST has always worked with even alliances = even number of teams on the field = not possible for 5 teams. As well, last years hint included something about the number of robots, so I'm assuming they would not be using the same clue again. They want to mess with our brains...it's as simple as that. sorry if this has already been said, I woke up under an hour ago..but this is just my 2 cents
AdamHeard
23-12-2006, 14:11
I think everyone needs to calm down a little bit. Go a little easier on the people making new threads; Sure it's annoying, but is it really the end of the world? Also, at least contribute to the discussion with your post; Otherwise, isn't that just as much a waste as the original post?
//End Rant
I like this idea. Maybe the robots are "color blind" and can only score in certain colored goals that are lit in a changing fashion like we all saw at championships.
Maybe the goals change from blue to red and at the time of score, the points go to the color it is lit. That would make for some interesting gameplay.
housemaster
23-12-2006, 14:53
I think I'm onto something but don't hold me to it. :ahh: If you google search 5 in a "Diamond plate" circle one of the links is Diamond Plate Specialties. When you go to the online line store of Diamond Plate Specialties and click on Standard Products, then count to the fifth item that has the picture saying Diamond Plate Specialties, it is a vertical tissue box cover that is 5" x 5" x 6 1/4" tall with a hole at the top of it, and it is made entirely of diamond plate. So I'm thinking that this might be something but I'm not sure. :confused:
raymaniac
23-12-2006, 15:20
I'm beginning to think that the picture is something random they came up with and is not intentionally linked to the game. They're getting amused by us come up with random ideas on what the game is. They know that once the game is revealled, someone will somehow find some random link, which will amuse them even more.
Oh well, let the random guesses continue...
CE Mexican
23-12-2006, 16:55
Hey guys its me again, I was screwing around with the clue in photo shop, and this is what I came up with. To the right of the plate there is something that looks like a face, with what to me looks like a set of pit crew head phones on. My father then looked at the pic and said that the plate almost looks like a number plate from a racing vehicle.
RKElectricalman
23-12-2006, 16:58
Imagine all the angry, disgruntled, tired folk to appear and protest after Woodie, Dave, and Dean tell all of us, during the kick off that the clue wasn't really a clue, but a ploy to please us for a short amount of time, for lack of a real clue. Maybe every clue they thought of was just tooo easy to figure out. .. :( i'm so tired! I'm giving up for a few days, and come back to it later. I just hope the game is as exciting, fast-paced, and lovable as my past two years of FIRST experience. I'm sure it will be :)
Chief Samwize
23-12-2006, 17:02
WIth all these different game ideas the one that appeals to me the most is the hockey game. Imagine 6 robots chasing around a circular object on a slipery surface. there could even be five "pucks". I would love a game like that.
"and team (insert team number here) passes to its team mate team (insert another team number here), one times it, scores!!!
Brandon Holley
23-12-2006, 17:33
I Honestly think that the blue background was intended to be nothing but a blue background and i think dave is having some fun with us by putting these little things in there ie: the banana and traffic light.....kudos dave!
I give up reading through all of these. Every time i get back on, there are more and more pages of stuff. I can wait the 14 days to find out what the game is going to be. I have seen some good ideas though. Maybe in the next two weeks I'll have enough free time to read all the post.
I Honestly think that the blue background was intended to be nothing but a blue background and i think dave is having some fun with us by putting these little things in there ie: the banana and traffic light.....kudos dave!
I disagree, I think there may be things hidden in that background.. 5 things?
You may be right, though.. we'll find out in a couple weeks!
I Honestly think that the blue background was intended to be nothing but a blue background and i think dave is having some fun with us by putting these little things in there ie: the banana and traffic light.....kudos dave!
I agree. The blue background is probably just to make people talk about the probability that there will be a water game.
I wouldn't be surprised if it was just a bunch of random blue swirls. :(
Greg Marra
23-12-2006, 17:58
I doubt that the blue background is just pure chance.
I think FIRST is changing the alliance colors to prevent things like the Red Advantage (http://www.chiefdelphi.com/forums/showthread.php?t=36100&highlight=red+advantage) we have seen in the past. I think the two colors this year will be Blue, and "clear-plastic-blue". That way, neither side gets an advantage.
After all, FIRST has always worked with even alliances = even number of teams on the field = not possible for 5 teams. As well, last years hint included something about the number of robots, so I'm assuming they would not be using the same clue again.
They've done 3 teams on the field. That was a bit before your time though--they started 2-team alliances in 1999 or so.
Spark Hawk
23-12-2006, 18:05
You know, I was thinking about the whole "squish meets squash, rise and wash" quote, when I had a thought. "Squish meets squash" makes me think of two things colliding, and "rise and wash" makes me think of said things recoiling from the impact, and possibly getting splashed. When I put those together, I got... BUMPER BOATS! Now that could be interesting, but I'm not sure how it would play as a FIRST game, but still, it could be fun...
Imprudent
23-12-2006, 18:23
They've done 3 teams on the field. That was a bit before your time though--they started 2-team alliances in 1999 or so.
But when there were 3 on the field, it was 1v1v1 was it not? Unless my research has been wrong...
Athleticgirl389
23-12-2006, 18:28
I can't see the number, do I instant-win?
I can't see it either... for the fact that I am colorblind.
psyco_klown
23-12-2006, 18:49
has anyone notice there are two links to clues
http://www.usfirst.org/community/frc/content.aspx?id=3712
http://www.usfirst.org/community/frc/content.aspx?id=3720
My first thought was the five is on a round diamond plate, 5 of diamonds maybe. But then I thought that a 5 diamonds bid in bridge is a game bid, So maybe we’re looking at a bridge on the field again,(blue background blue water). Perhaps the field is laid out like a 5 of diamonds with diamond shaped playing pieces. Maybe even a round playing field.
gizmoman1089
23-12-2006, 18:55
i dont know if this was said already but has anyone noticed that the 5 is no longer transparent??
i dont know if this was said already but has anyone noticed that the 5 is no longer transparent??
The 5 is still transparent.
I looked at the MD5 hash of the image the day it was put up and now and they are the same. Its the same file.
Md5 Hash: 8aebe707cef8a448f5e0c8f376e67ea2
The 5 looks like it is solid black to me.
has anyone notice there are two links to clues
http://www.usfirst.org/community/frc/content.aspx?id=3712
http://www.usfirst.org/community/frc/content.aspx?id=3720
Yeah, it's been pointed out before. One page says 2007 Clue and shows nothing, and the other says 2007 FRC Game Clue and has the picture on it.
Probably not very important.
raymaniac
23-12-2006, 19:13
My first thought was the five is on a round diamond plate, 5 of diamonds maybe. But then I thought that a 5 diamonds bid in bridge is a game bid, So maybe we’re looking at a bridge on the field again,(blue background blue water). Perhaps the field is laid out like a 5 of diamonds with diamond shaped playing pieces. Maybe even a round playing field.
The field could be made up of five diamond-shaped "islands" connected by bridges. There probably wouldn't be actual water around the islands, but it could be that if you go in the "water" you are automatically taken out of the game.
Yeah, it's been pointed out before. One page says 2007 Clue and shows nothing, and the other says 2007 FRC Game Clue and has the picture on it.
Probably not very important.
Maybe the lack of a second clue is a clue!
JaneYoung
23-12-2006, 19:36
I can see it so what does that mean? Like the stop go thing?
I can see it so what does that mean?
The image is just part of the ishihara color test.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ishihara_color_test
Rafi Ahmed
23-12-2006, 20:40
The 5 looks like it is solid black to me.
You could see some diamond plate pattern if you look closely. In some of the photoshoped 5s you can see it better.
Steven_585
23-12-2006, 21:26
judging from the watery clue posted last year...i think the bridges over water is a good idea...:confused: :confused: :confused: :confused: :confused:
i sincerly appologize if this has already been posted but, look at a 5 of diamonds playing card.
it is laid out like so:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v437/daunte2moss07/FIRST/5damonds1.gif
What if the diamonds are goals.
I still say that the thing we know is that there will be a game of some kind, played with robots on a field of some sort.
Sean.Conway
23-12-2006, 23:37
i did some website "work" and theres only 4 pictures in that directory, the clue being one of them, and theres no clue2 or 3 or anything, and there also nothing else anywhere else on the website, there total website size is like 400mb, so. thats about it. no other clues
5 is a number
Numbers are fun
Fun is subjective
Subjective is a clue
The Clue is indecipherable
Indecipherable is an adjective
Adjectives describe words
Words help explain things
Things are better explained with pictures
Pictures are an example of this years clue
This years clue is difficult
Difficult must describe the game.
There you have it, the game will be difficult... but...
But is a very short word
Words that are short are often to the point
Pointy things are sharp
Sharp things cut
Cut things are smaller
Smaller things are often more valuable
Valuable things are precious
Precious decribes rare jewels
Rare jewels are also known as diamonds
Diamonds are on diamond plate
Diamond plate is in the clue
Now obviously, Diamond plate must be in the game because it ties in DIRECTLY WITH BUT, as shown above..
Above is higher than below
Below is often considered less
Less is more
More is always better
Better is in the eyes of the beholder
Beholders often look at beauty
Beauty is found on the inside
Inside is where most things robotics have occured
Obviously, once again, the game will take place inside... not outside because that would be silly.
Silly is funny
Funny can be taken with a grain of salt
Salt causes heart conditions
Heart conditions are bad
Bad is not good
Good is yet another adjective
Adjectives describe people
People are smart
Smart is what programmers are
Programmers like code
Code is strings
Strings can be long
Long... LONG
Long... there will be a new time limit which is longer than the previous games.
Games are played for enjoyment
Enjoyment is obtained through fun...
Fun is funny...
It all ties in... The pieces are finally falling into place. It is just so logical, I can't believe no one saw it before.
Oh common, who needs photoshop when you have mspaint.exe?
Inverting the colors makes some of these things this easier to notice.
I'll start off with the less speculative part. The spacing of the diamonds on the diamond plate tell us the size of this piece. The center row seems to contain 12 diamonds. I'm guessing (no diamond plate nearby) that the spacing between each is an inch. Meaning this whole circle is a foot long. The one bet I will make is that if there is a circle of a diamond plate...it'll be a 1.5 foot diameter :) (Or one or two, whatever the spacing was on diamond plates)
Onto more speculative bits.
Inverted, the presence of 2 or 3 circular rings of different shades around the diamond plate circle is really obvious. A bit of testing seems to indicate that the rings are actually not circular. Someone more skilled in this than I should verify that. Anyway, anyone have any ideas what those rings (and their skew) could mean?
At the bottom right, however, the second ring seems kinda weird.
Those rings seem to me to resemble the appearence of stripes on along a sphere. The outtermost ring might be smaller, which would agree with that. Perhaps this is some kind of rounded hill. (A hemisphere truncated by a plane.)
On the right it looks like some objects on a plane. With a reflection of them above it sorta. I don't have a clue what it means
Please don't flame me, but...
This hint was released Thursday, correct... five days before Christmas.
Five days and "5" as a clue leads me to think we all get a very special Christmas present on Monday. Maybe FIRST wants to mess with our head even more this year than any other year. Hopefully it's a good game like last year.
EDIT: I thought of another idea as well. Maybe the game has something to do with Christmas.
yodameister
24-12-2006, 00:48
EDIT: I thought of another idea as well. Maybe the game has something to do with Christmas.:eek:
I sure hope not. I've had enough Christmas for one year. :D
humm somone mentioned a head in the pic. after closely examining the picture i noticed there was definatly a pic of a head its mid right of pic(i might see 2). my guess is that the blue bacground is really an animation probly from studiomax that as said before a minimized animation/flash im not at my main comp right now so i cant further observe with my paint shop pro anyone have any comments about this??:confused:
irishninja
24-12-2006, 01:18
I'm leaning to the baseball tie. Perhaps, you can only move to 2nd base when there is a red light, 3rd when there is a blue light, and home when there is a green light? Or some combination.
The field will remain rectangular.
Colour change in autonomous? Perhaps.
The game piece will be torus'...tori?
No water game.
Eric wrote:
EEEH!! I Just got an Email forwarded from my mentor from FIRST and at the bottom, the guy put
------underwater------
0.o
I dont want an underwater game!
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Hello Local FIRST Teams,
For the Kick-Off, please have one person identified as the field component build person.
Immediately after the Kick-off, these people will meet in the at the entrance of the auditorium to determine the field components the teams need to build.
This will be announced again at the Kick-Off.
Also note, that for teams who want more to do after the season there is an underwater FIRST "style" competition being planned by a FIRST team.
See message for details.
See you at the Kick-Off!!!
Doug
Remote Kick-Off Coordinator
Go TEAMS!!!!!
--------------- Underwater ---------------
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
I'm probably just being real paranoid about this stuff but why would he say that?!
in case ur wondering i pulled this from a thread from a myspace (http://groups.myspace.com/firstrobotics) thread
maybe this really is going to be a game full of water
I know that it has probably been mentioned before, but my guess is the layout of the field will be five. One center goal and four other corner goals for a total of five. The goals will be goals covered in diamond plate to make them hard to navigate on. Either the goals or the gamepieces (or maybe both?) will have some circular theme. That's just $0.02. The other $0.98 are yours.
i_am_Doug
24-12-2006, 05:36
Ive got it! Diamond plated golf balls!
Interesting photo though, weird game hint..
i sincerly appologize if this has already been posted but, look at a 5 of diamonds playing card.
it is laid out like so:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v437/daunte2moss07/FIRST/5damonds1.gif
What if the diamonds are goals.
I really like that idea! A big center goal in the middle, and low goals at the corners.. if not for 2007, then maybe for beyond.
Please don't flame me, but...
This hint was released Thursday, correct... five days before Christmas.
Five days and "5" as a clue leads me to think we all get a very special Christmas present on Monday. Maybe FIRST wants to mess with our head even more this year than any other year. Hopefully it's a good game like last year.
EDIT: I thought of another idea as well. Maybe the game has something to do with Christmas.
Maybe 5 gold rings?
Maybe 5 gold rings?
With one ring to rule them all.
PS: i just finished watching LOTR
65_Xero_Huskie
24-12-2006, 09:37
JOHNNY 5 IS ALIVE?!?!?!?
idk, im stumped, this is gonna ruin my christmas..lol
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