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SciDKelly134
24-12-2006, 10:04
Wild guess - A diamond plated Lazy Susan (free spinning disk for the 80's & 90's children) in the center of the playing field five feet in diameter, or perhaps only big enough for 5 kit robots fit on. The robots need to get up on the platform to score. The swirls in the blue are to simulate taking the image while on the spinning platform.
If you turn the image upside down and sharpen it:
http://i140.photobucket.com/albums/r14/ninjatech200/darth-1.jpg
You can see something at the bottom left corner. Looks like darth vader or some time of monster to me. Sticking with the star wars them the object at the right looks lto me like Nute Gunray.
Maybe, I've just watched star wars too many times.
DonRotolo
24-12-2006, 11:27
I think it means only drivers with red/greed color blindness will be able to compete effectively in this year's game.
Don
trilogism
24-12-2006, 11:31
Check out the pics at these links. It has the image reversed in every direction, including colors, and each stresses the pic differently.
http://www.geocities.com/spbeckett/possibly.JPG
http://www.geocities.com/spbeckett/inverted_possibly.JPG
http://www.geocities.com/spbeckett/Background.JPG
http://www.geocities.com/spbeckett/backgroun_2.JPG
http://www.geocities.com/spbeckett/inverted_Background.JPG
http://www.geocities.com/spbeckett/inverted_backgroun_2.JPG
EDIT: If they don't work right away, try back later and they should.
i sincerly appologize if this has already been posted but, look at a 5 of diamonds playing card.
it is laid out like so:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v437/daunte2moss07/FIRST/5damonds1.gif
What if the diamonds are goals.
I really like that idea! A big center goal in the middle, and low goals at the corners.. if not for 2007, then maybe for beyond.
I like it as well. This would be a very nice field layout and would make for some pretty good gameplay. It reminds me of 2005, just with half the goals removed.
ya... i think u might be on to somthing.
just a random thought here...
what if there are several goals with lights above each that change for each different period, that shows where an alliance can score.
it could also show whos deffending and scoring(like aim high)
~Alex~
I googled "number 5 is alive" and got
http://static.flickr.com/77/205205370_6152ce706d_m.jpg
Hm... perhaps multi-layered surfaces on the playing field?
I've never seen Short Circuit, but the plot description I found on imdb.com here...
http://imdb.com/title/tt0091949/plotsummary
...makes me think that there will either be emphasis on the autonomous period (perhaps one at the end to signify the robot coming "alive"?) or else more emphasis on the programming aspect in general (i.e. tracking via camera?). That stop light idea we spotted, oh, 200 posts or so ago, would probably go to support that.
I like the "5 of diamonds" idea a lot. I like the idea of the lazy Susan even better, and I'm thinking maybe something that looks like this:
http://rassi.ath.cx/stuypulse/albums/album06/untitled.sized.png
For a little while I was convinced that I saw two hands reaching for the diamond plate in the blue, in the lower right- and left-hand corners, but I guess I'm wrong. It would give the human players something to do, though, if they had to pick up the tube objects and place them on their robots' arms to take to the revolving lazy Susan and place on goals like this: http://www.chiefdelphi.com/forums/showpost.php?p=544180&postcount=252
That's about all I've got. Lastly, I like the idea of there being five "safe" spaces for robots to get to in the end, and there being one "odd man out". The only reason that I don't like this idea is also the reason I don't like the "free for all" idea--where's the gracious professionalism? I think we have to think of this game in terms of how teams can work together to accomplish goals. In Stack Attack it was all about coordinating which robots placed which tetras where to get the best combination; last year it was all about which robot would guard/score in which goal the best. If this game were to have a lazy Susan, or some sort of high-altitude stacking, I think a nice "teamwork" element would be to see if you could have a robot to grab onto the lazy Susan and rotate the goals away from other teams.
in case ur wondering i pulled this from a thread from a myspace (http://groups.myspace.com/firstrobotics) thread
maybe this really is going to be a game full of waterNah. Team 842 (who beat MIT at underwater robotics in another competition) has issued an open challenge. This is not specifically FIRST related, and is not the official game.
But when there were 3 on the field, it was 1v1v1 was it not? Unless my research has been wrong...You're right. Sometimes, however, the two robots would combine in an "alliance" to beat on the third robot. This kept happening, and it was decided to add another robot and make alliances official.
Simon Strauss
24-12-2006, 14:27
Elgin brought up the idea that the lazy susan that has been talked about may be refering to vex influences in this years game. I feel that this should be brought a step further due to the diamond plate present in this picture and that we may want to consider the Diamond State Vex Challenge that will be in Delaware later this january.
http://wisdomportal.com/Christmas/Demuth-Figure5InGold.jpg
The Great Figure
by William Carlos Williams
Among the rain
and lights
I saw the figure 5
in gold
on a red
firetruck
moving
tense
unheeded
to gong clangs
siren howls
and wheels rumbling
through the dark city.
Perhaps something to do with the Imagist movement?
Prediction:
Stoplights found in both images will tell robots when to stop and go. 6 robots will have to fight for 5 diamond plate bases, like musical chairs, for bonus points.
Other than that...sorry GDC, this is too obtuse a hint for me to spend Christmas wondering about :)
Aldgazar
25-12-2006, 09:45
This image is definitely from this year's animation. If you look to the right side just above halfway, you can see one of the audience members from previous year's animations. (should look like a blue blob with yellow hair, you can sort of see the hand too)
I don't think that it's a coincidence that we see a stoplight in both images either. Combined with the hint about multiple colors at last year's championships, I think that having the stoplight in the game is a reasonable assumption.
As for the diamond plate with the 5. Your guess is as good as mine.
skimoose
25-12-2006, 12:56
Well, we've reached 500 posts and most of you have forgotten that the clue is supposed to lead us to the name of the game as well as hint at how the game is played. So far very few FIRSTers have taken a shot at guessing the name of the game.
I also think that the GDC dropped a few more clues in this thread that you missed. Go back and read who posted what. I don't have all the answers yet, but I'm working on it.
My take on the infamous picture, yes it's a clip from the game animation showing part of the scoring summary. In this case 5 points to the blue alliance. The question I'm still working on, is that a goal (mobil goal?) or a scoring object shown. The blue isn't, I think, a background. I think the view is looking down a blue hued lexan tube with the plate at the bottom of the tube. The concentric rings and other things people are seeing are reflections of what's outside this object, being distorted by the curved lexan. I think I see part of a white field line.
The hockey theme might be something. Is the picture a scoring puck. Is the game name "Power Play"? A power play leaves one team at a numerical disadvantage. Is the game 3 vs. 3 with a back bot again?
Then again if I seeing other clues correctly, the game could be named "Disk Duel"
Just a few thoughts to get people working on the game name. Like I said I'm still working on it..... hmmm The Book of Five Rings.... the fifth book is.... the fifth element is.... ;)
David Cross
25-12-2006, 16:05
Maybe there are 4 teams to an alliance and a fifth WILD CARD team that could go back and forth! (what kind of strategy would THAT bring about???)
I saw the lower half of a face on one of the clue images someone messed with. I couldn't help thinking of Darth Sidious from Star Wars. Maybe there are two alliances with two bots each and one bot playing bot angles, or a different game entirely?
Well, we've reached 500 posts and most of you have forgotten that the clue is supposed to lead us to the name of the game as well as hint at how the game is played. So far very few FIRSTers have taken a shot at guessing the name of the game.
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5
There are five letters in the name BORAT!!! Maybe he will be coming to the regionals YAY!!! lol
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the number 5
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You know, Borat says "High Five'ah!" a lot. Perhaps it's called "High Five" :p
Yes, how obvious. It was in front of us all along. Nice'ah.
Sgraff_SRHS06
25-12-2006, 17:27
Since everyone is enjoying their XMas, I guess I'll be one of those non XMas celebraters to take a stab at the game.
GAME TITLE: Cross Check
OBJECT:
To get as many nerf hockey pucks as possible inside the goals in 5:00 of game time.
GAME FORMAT:
3 vs. 3 (like last year) with a backbot
Penatlies such as (ramming) will be assessed like in hockey: the violating robot has to sit, disabled in a penalty box for 20 seconds for a minor violation (10 point penalty in Aim High) and 45 seconds for a major penalty (30 point penalty in Aim High). Ramming, since it is a part of hockey, will be allowed. Hence the yellow banana as an indicator for bumpers. You cannot--however--ram the heck out of your opponents (a 45-second Cheap Shot penalty (a major))
60-second autonomous period where each alliance can score into their goals
Winner goes on defense and collects 50 point autonomous bonus, loser goes on offense. (10-second grace period not a part of the official time)
Three 80-second periods. (auto loser on offense first, then auto winner, then free-for-all; with 5-second grace periods in between not a part of the official time)
If a robot receives a penalty, the other team automatically goes on offense on a power play for the amount of time the penalty is assessed.
If one robot is on its platform the alliance gets a 5 point bonus; 2 its a 10 point bonus, if all 3, 25 points.
GAME ELEMENTS:
Corner targets elevated at 2" above the ground (and measuring 24"x12"x3"
Three middle targets:
+2 targets located about 5' left or right of center and 18" above ground, circular, with a diameter of 20" worth 3 points for each puck that goes trough them. These will have yellow lights for teams wanting to go for them.
+1 center diamond-shaped target elevated at 30" (bottom) with diagonal length (top-to-bottom) of 30" worth 5 points per puck. These will have a green light above them.
12"-high platform at home bases of teams, but 4"drop and then 40-degree ramp up. (Platform will be 20' wide x 1' wide)
WHAT DOES THE HUMAN PLAYER DO:
Take slapshots of pucks into the side goals. (There will be a ramp going up to allow this) or throw pucks onto the field or into the robot. (a few hockey sticks will be included as a part of the KOP)
OTHER NOTES:
Bumpers will be necessary to do well in the game to not only protect against projectile pucks and slapshots, but also to protect against other robots. Robustness will be so important here.
EDIT: You can challenge for a penalty at any time during the human-controlled phase (last 240 seconds) of the game.
Rich Wong
25-12-2006, 18:26
Well, we've reached 500 posts and most of you have forgotten that the clue is supposed to lead us to the name of the game as well as hint at how the game is played. So far very few FIRSTers have taken a shot at guessing the name of the game.
HIGH FIVE !?
:)
Ooops, sorry PO-SER didn't see your posting.
fluffanator279
25-12-2006, 19:23
If you turn the image upside down and sharpen it:
http://i140.photobucket.com/albums/r14/ninjatech200/darth-1.jpg
You can see something at the bottom left corner. Looks like darth vader or some time of monster to me.
King Kong was a monster. In fact a giant gorilla. This would help the banana idea out a bit.
EricRobodox
25-12-2006, 19:54
anyone know the font of the 5? that may be a clue as well.
Sgraff_SRHS06
25-12-2006, 20:28
anyone know the font of the 5? that may be a clue as well.
It's Arial, but I don't think it really matters.
StephLee
25-12-2006, 22:22
It's Arial, but I don't think it really matters.
Well...the "5" in the Picture is the font Helvetica Extended....if that matters any.
Just pointing this out. I don't know which one it is, but I remembered the second post from page 4. Yay searching.
The hope diamond? "In a blue diamond, a few carbon atoms out of a million have been replaced by nitrogen atoms, each containing five valence electrons." The background is blue, there is diamond plating, and a big five. The hope diamond is "circular."
Diamond point cut (combining the diamond plate with the darn dot in dlavery's recent posts):
http://www.khulsey.com/jewelry/gem_cutting_point_table_cut.jpeg
Maybe that (^--) is the shape of this year's object?
"A rhombus in the plane has five degrees of freedom: one for the shape, one for the size, one for the orientation, and two for the position."
Going along with the baseball references, there is a coalition of philadelphia college baseball teams called the Philadelphia Diamond 5 ( http://www.diamondfive.com/ ). The teams: La Salle Explorers, Penn Quakers, Saint Joseph's Hawks, Temple Owls, Villanova Wildcats. Not sure of the relevance..
Tottanka
26-12-2006, 08:06
HM..
Considering previous year's hints we surely know dave is a hippy.
SO, that picture gives us diamonds, with a shiny background.
There's a PinkFloyd very famous song named:" shine on you Crazy Diamond", might be it....
the song also has 2 parts, 1 to 5, and 6 to 9...might also be a clue...
here's the lyrics of 1 to 5:
Remember when you were young, you shone like the sun.
Shine on you crazy diamond.
Now theres a look in your eyes, like black holes in the sky.
Shine on you crazy diamond.
You were caught on the crossfire of childhood and stardom, blown on the
Steel breeze.
Come on you target for faraway laughter, come on you stranger, you legend,
You martyr, and shine!
You reached for the secret too soon, you cried for the moon.
Shine on you crazy diamond.
Threatened by shadows at night, and exposed in the light.
Shine on you crazy diamond.
Well you wore out your welcome with random precision, rode on the
Steel breeze.
Come on you raver, you seer of visions, come on you painter, you piper,
You prisoner, and shine!
Lyrics of 6-9:
Nobody knows where you are, how near or how far.
Shine on you crazy diamond.
Pile on many more layers and Ill be joining you there.
Shine on you crazy diamond.
And well bask in the shadow of yesterdays triumph, and sail
On the steel breeze.
Come on you boy child, you winner and loser, come on you miner
For truth and delusion, and shine!
EDIT: i thought of it a bit, and found some really interesting stuff in that lyrics...
Diamonds are actually the srtongest substance ever found, so maybe it will be a really aggresive game with ramming allowed..
Someone has already mentioned hockey..i say Football is also an option, a very exsiting one as well...
ALso' a diamond is beeing mind from under the ground, so maybe it also has something to do wiht the hint...
another thing, a diamond is a very special Optical object wich refleccts light in many interesting ways...im thinking CMUcam2 will be here again thi year?
raymaniac
26-12-2006, 12:42
The 5 on the diamond plate
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Bananas are rich in potassium
The atomic symbol for potassium is K
=
The robots are going to have to "run" 5K's!
That means that either the matches are going to be really long, or the robots will have car engines.
StephLee
26-12-2006, 12:51
The 5 on the diamond plate
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Bananas are rich in potassium
The atomic symbol for potassium is K
=
The robots are going to have to "run" 5K's!
That means that either the matches are going to be really long, or the robots will have car engines.
I like the connection, but with more teams than ever would they really allow longer matches? It just wouldn't be reasonable.
Richard Wallace
26-12-2006, 12:56
The 5 on the diamond plate
+
Bananas are rich in potassium
The atomic symbol for potassium is K
=
The robots are going to have to "run" 5K's!
That means that either the matches are going to be really long, or the robots will have car engines.5 kilometers in 2 minutes and 20 seconds! With autonomous for the first 20 seconds! So the robots will have to average just a little under 80 miles per hour, with faster peak speeds! And they could follow some very interesting trajectories if their autonomous modes are even a little bit off!
I guess it doesn't seem very safe.:eek:
Elgin Clock
26-12-2006, 12:57
NOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!
The banana reference is more wide spread than we thought. :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek:
A past preffered supplier of the tape on the carpet defining areas of play is tapemonster.com:
http://www.tapemonster.com/framesetup.cfm?page=bargainbinmain.cfm
raymaniac
26-12-2006, 12:58
I like the connection, but with more teams than ever would they really allow longer matches? It just wouldn't be reasonable.
If they did it like a real 5K, they could get all the teams in one or two matches. The matches would still take a long time though, and where would they hold it?
5 kilometers in 2 minutes and 20 seconds! With autonomous for the first 20 seconds! So the robots will have to average just a little under 80 miles per hour, with faster peak speeds! And they could follow some very interesting trajectories if their autonomous modes are even a little bit off!
I guess it doesn't seem very safe.:eek:
Autonomous might be a problem...
StephLee
26-12-2006, 13:07
If they did it like a real 5K, they could get all the teams in one or two matches. The matches would still take a long time though, and where would they hold it?
True, I guess they'd only need a few. But how exciting would a simple speed contest be? FIRST is leaning towards more specator-friendliness, and that's kind of squashing most of my ideas. Some would be fun to play and design for, but horribly boring to watch.
raymaniac
26-12-2006, 13:11
True, I guess they'd only need a few. But how exciting would a simple speed contest be? FIRST is leaning towards more specator-friendliness, and that's kind of squashing most of my ideas. Some would be fun to play and design for, but horribly boring to watch.
They'd watch it for the was reason they watch NASCAR...
5 kilometers in 2 minutes and 20 seconds! With autonomous for the first 20 seconds! So the robots will have to average just a little under 80 miles per hour, with faster peak speeds! And they could follow some very interesting trajectories if their autonomous modes are even a little bit off!:ahh:
Then again, that's probably not a good idea.:o
Tottanka
26-12-2006, 13:14
Hehehe...
If FRC takes the road of speed competitions we might even find ourselves in 2008's Beijing Olymic games;)
raymaniac
26-12-2006, 13:22
Now that I think about it, if they decided that they wanted it to be more of a 5K than a NASCAR race, one of the requirements might be for a huminoid robot. That would probably make the robots slower, so it might be cool build, but it would get boring to watch after about 5 minutes.
Molybdenum
26-12-2006, 16:01
Given the "2007Clue1" in the URL of the image, that it looks like a clip from a movie, and that it makes little to no sense on the whole, I'm inclined to say that it's nothing but a clip of the countdown played at the beginning of the kickoff broadcast, and a complete red-herring to boot.
I wouldn't put it past FIRST to give us a hint solely with the intent of messing with our heads. My theory is that after we've argued about it for a little too long, they'll post another still from the kickoff broadcast, and hopefully a more useful one!
Tottanka
26-12-2006, 16:10
i found another clue!!!!
http://img308.imageshack.us/my.php?image=lolej7.jpg
raymaniac
26-12-2006, 16:24
i found another clue!!!!
http://img308.imageshack.us/my.php?image=lolej7.jpg
Maybe we'll get another clue every 520 posts!
We only need 519 more posts of speculation, random guesses, and nonsense to get another clue!
Now how long is that going to take...
joshsmithers
26-12-2006, 16:28
Given the "2007Clue1" in the URL of the image, that it looks like a clip from a movie, and that it makes little to no sense on the whole, I'm inclined to say that it's nothing but a clip of the countdown played at the beginning of the kickoff broadcast, and a complete red-herring to boot.
I wouldn't put it past FIRST to give us a hint solely with the intent of messing with our heads. My theory is that after we've argued about it for a little too long, they'll post another still from the kickoff broadcast, and hopefully a more useful one!
so your saying we should continue to argue? i like that theory.
my idea is that the game hint refers to terrain, and possibly the game piece. The banana may be a clue to terrain as well, given Dave's famous "slip up (http://www.chiefdelphi.com/forums/showthread.php?t=41024&page=4&highlight=slip)" post. the way I see it, pool lining, diamond plte surface and a slippery surface(where the banana comes in) are some of the possibilities. there may even be 5 types of surfaces for the game. I'm tired of carpet anyway.
As for 5K, that's for the human players.;)
StephLee
26-12-2006, 18:04
As for 5K, that's for the human players.;)
I think you're on to something there...the human players have to run on treadmills the entire match or else the bot stops moving.
geeknerd99
26-12-2006, 18:25
Somewhere down the line, somebody proposed the "5" having do to something with "Take Five". Take Five was recorded by the The Dave Brubeck Quartet in '59 on "Time Out". If you don't know jazz, I just totally confused you. If you do, you should know what I'm talking about.
Here's the Wikipedia link (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Take_Five) to it.
Take Five was special in that it was done in a 3-2 meter, with the driving piano rhythm going "1-2-3 1-2" the whole way through the song, rather than a 1-2-3-4-5 pattern. Hmmm, sounds remarkably like a backbot, does it not? Perhaps the asymmetry of the "manhole" also represents this unbalance.
"Time Out" could mean anything, from "no time left" to "sitting out for a bit". Perhaps the backbot this year really is crippled (stranded in water!), unlike last year where it could gather ammunition? What about rolling disables, where instead of all robots being disabled at once at the end of the match, each team has one robot disabled in the order of their choice 5 seconds apart?
I didn't bother to search it, but perhaps this 1-2-3 1-2 rhythm could tie into the red, green and blue lights? (I'm the programmer, and I've been losing sleep over that since Atlanta).
mmmmm... I could go for a banana....
Goober!!!
26-12-2006, 18:43
Ok I looked through the forum and didn’t find anything about what I came up with.
So I looked up "5 diamond plate" on Google and I clicked the 2nd link on there and came up with this site http://www.biorust.com/tutorials/detail/206/en/ . I wish I have photoshop on this computer so that I can test my theory. And my theory is that this "step 5" to the picture, I think it might do something so if any of you guys have photoshop would like to test my theory please reply. Thank You!!!:D :D :D
Goober!!!
Sgraff_SRHS06
26-12-2006, 19:05
Just to make sure that I don't slip up and give away too much, are you a-peeling for one clue or a bunch?
-dave
I think this is the slip-up clue he's talking about.
I think this is the slip-up clue he's talking about.
That is most definatly a clue towards bananas. The question is did he do it to mess with us. Or does it really have something to do with the game.
StephLee
26-12-2006, 19:40
That is most definatly a clue towards bananas. The question is did he do it to mess with us. Or does it really have something to do with the game.
If someone can answer that question, I will personally make them a chrome crown with little nuts in place of gems to commemorate their status as my official Hero.
banana turn (n)
a wide arc a batter makes when approaching first base after hitting a base hit to the outfield.
StephLee
26-12-2006, 21:42
banana turn (n)
a wide arc a batter makes when approaching first base after hitting a base hit to the outfield.
That's it! Such a great connection between fruit and an obscure fruit reference...I love it. It's just crazy enough to be from the GDC.
drew.fineberg
27-12-2006, 00:17
perhaps the diamond plate represents part of the field and the 5 is the different places that it occurs, center and corners are most probable
Greg Needel
27-12-2006, 00:35
The 5 on the diamond plate
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Bananas are rich in potassium
The atomic symbol for potassium is K
=
The robots are going to have to "run" 5K's!
That means that either the matches are going to be really long, or the robots will have car engines.
maybe they are just trying to get teams ready for the golden ball pass which will happen after the season is over.
Elgin Clock
27-12-2006, 03:17
Somewhere down the line, somebody proposed the "5" having do to something with "Take Five". Take Five was recorded by the The Dave Brubeck Quartet in '59 on "Time Out". If you don't know jazz, I just totally confused you. If you do, you should know what I'm talking about.
Here's the Wikipedia link (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Take_Five) to it.
Take Five was special in that it was done in a 3-2 meter, with the driving piano rhythm going "1-2-3 1-2" the whole way through the song, rather than a 1-2-3-4-5 pattern. Hmmm, sounds remarkably like a backbot, does it not? Perhaps the asymmetry of the "manhole" also represents this unbalance.
"Time Out" could mean anything, from "no time left" to "sitting out for a bit". Perhaps the backbot this year really is crippled (stranded in water!), unlike last year where it could gather ammunition? What about rolling disables, where instead of all robots being disabled at once at the end of the match, each team has one robot disabled in the order of their choice 5 seconds apart?
I didn't bother to search it, but perhaps this 1-2-3 1-2 rhythm could tie into the red, green and blue lights? (I'm the programmer, and I've been losing sleep over that since Atlanta).
mmmmm... I could go for a banana....
BY George I've think you've got it! 3(or more!) rights always make a safe guess!
Further speculation can be made from the song titles on this page:
http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewprofile&friendID=82327097
"Take 5" - Obvious Link
"Blue Rondo A La Turk" - I don't speak any other languages than English, but Blue and (if Rondo = round) is kind of a dead on match to the hint pic.
(Anyone wanna translate that song title btw?)
"Pick Up Sticks" - Am I reminded about all the speculation about last year and the majorette sticks???
I'm thinking less Bananas and more sticks... or at least sticks in curved shapes if we want to stay with the banana clue.
(Boomerangs as game objects anyone?)
As for me, I'm changing my song on my Myspace from Europe's Final Countdown to Take 5 by this band.
<And crossing my fingers that Boomerangs are easy things to get ahold of in America in the middle of January> :ahh:
Tottanka
27-12-2006, 09:58
Considering pervious hints' it has to do with music...
i hope we are awaiting another clue...cause this is absolutleu clueless.:)
The clues have also been related to sports, and with all the stop and go, the banana turn, the diamond, the 5 sided home plate, the layout of the 5 of diamonds, and etc, I wouldn't be surprised to see a baseball inspired game. The rings also make sense, or maybe its a human gyroscope?
Clueless, myself.
Bill Moore
27-12-2006, 11:48
The clues have also been related to sports, and with all the stop and go, the banana turn, the diamond, the 5 sided home plate, the layout of the 5 of diamonds, and etc, I wouldn't be surprised to see a baseball inspired game. The rings also make sense, or maybe its a human gyroscope?
Clueless, myself.
Some of the past clues had a number that was related to a "speed constraint". I believe that 10 m/s was used a few years ago for shooting or throwing (when the robots hung on the bar?). Maybe the 5 is indicative of a speed or some other constraint, rather than a quantity of a field component.
raymaniac
27-12-2006, 12:15
banana turn (n)
a wide arc a batter makes when approaching first base after hitting a base hit to the outfield.
I think you're on to something...
Some of the past clues had a number that was related to a "speed constraint". I believe that 10 m/s was used a few years ago for shooting or throwing (when the robots hung on the bar?). Maybe the 5 is indicative of a speed or some other constraint, rather than a quantity of a field component.Don't forget scoring. A previous hint was, IIRC, something about the equation for a parabola, which was explained at kickoff as having to so with the scoring.
There is, I think, only one rule on the hint: It must refer to the game somehow, but in such a way that nobody gets it.
artdutra04
27-12-2006, 15:17
Since there haven't been many fish biting the bait lately, I'll try to fish out a clue.
While at the DMV earlier today, I was watching one of those scrolling LED marquees that had random facts on it. And as you can guess, random facts about none other than bananas came up. ;)
A group of 10-20 bananas is called a "hand" by the banana growers, and each of the bananas a "finger". A human hand has five fingers. Also, bananas are picked while they are still green, so that they turn yellow just as they reach store shelves.
Or if you really want some good sleuthing, one of the street names for a $5 bill is a 'fin (http://www.google.com/search?q=define+fin)'. Both the banana and fish appeared in Dave's 2007 game hint picture.
:p
Just playing along. ;-)
Perhaps, the 5 is related to the musical group "Five for Fighting", whose 2006 album was titled "Two Lights"?
Could it be that there will be 5 robots, playing against each other?
Could it be that there will be 2 stop lights, 3 colors that control when you can stop or go?
I expect that the diamond plate is refering to diamond plate pattern, but it might not be metal - this pattern is also available in 4x4 rubber mats that interconnect to create a rubber floor. It's used for protection against dropped weights when weight lifting. It comes in red and blue, and can be found at www.ivanko.com, or then again, it could be aluminum like the ramp was last year.
The disc/round shape is obviously NOT a disc at all, the top is flat where it connects to something. It could be either a flat platform or a ramped platform. I wonder if the 5 is the # of points for getting on this elevated almost round platform. Maybe there are other platforms with others #'s - 4, 3, 2, 1.
The blue color surrounding the platform would give one the impression of being liquid, but it is only the "perception" that it is water - it isn't really water. The game piece probably has something to do with water - something from water, or something for the water.
That's my guesses, excellent clue, as it leaves alot to the imagination.
I'm okay now to wait and see.
cgredalertcc
27-12-2006, 20:55
Could this clue possibly hint to five robots on the blue alliance? Just a theory
Elgin Clock
27-12-2006, 21:11
Could this clue possibly hint to five robots on the blue alliance? Just a theory
5 vs how many though?
We better not be making a return of X vs 0 like in 2001.
Worst game to understand and play ever.
cgredalertcc
28-12-2006, 12:42
5 vs how many though?
We better not be making a return of X vs 0 like in 2001.
Worst game to understand and play ever.
well its possible it could be a 5 0n 1 but that seems a little unreasonable to me. Maybe they added two teams and its a 5 on 3? Like I said before its a theory.
There is however one problem the grief caused by the slant of a game setup towards one alliance. I don't think that the officials would want to deal with it.
There has also been a recently recorded trend of the game pieces where they follow the pattern of the first logo: triangle=tetra, ball=circle, square= ?
there are a few things we do know. one the playing field is going to be about the same size due to venue. Chances are the floor is going to be carpeted aside from ramps and such thr floor will also probably be relatively flat. Raising the playing field would be extremely hard based on the materials costs.
Also does anyone know if the fish picture was a real clue or not if so I have some additonal theories about that.
robbekid
28-12-2006, 14:36
I am surprised no one mentioned this or i missed it in the 15 page madness...
that 5 looks like something on the side of a racecar.....
cgredalertcc
28-12-2006, 14:52
I am surprised no one mentioned this or i missed it in the 15 page madness...
that 5 looks like something on the side of a racecar.....
You have a point there that brings a totally new aspect. A speed challenge. The only problem I see is that it looks like a run of the mill presentation background. Still it is a possibility
StephLee
28-12-2006, 15:04
I am surprised no one mentioned this or i missed it in the 15 page madness...
that 5 looks like something on the side of a racecar.....
Someone did mention a 5K in connection with the clue a few pages back...eek, I don't quite want to think about that.
Mike Hvorecny
28-12-2006, 16:05
What no Rock n Roll lyrics to decipher or wondering metafors in the clue, just a number on a simple background:confused:
I've got nothing:ahh:
Okay, here we go. You have to drive you robot up a Stairway to Heaven, and slide back down on a manhole cover all within 5 minutes. how does that sound?
:p
Tottanka
28-12-2006, 16:34
As a metter of fact, our last year's regional organizer said that he has heared that this year's competition will include stairs-climbing robots..
=]
raymaniac
28-12-2006, 16:37
As a metter of fact, our last year's regional organizer said that he has heared that this year's competition will include stairs-climbing robots..
=]
Are they going to climb 5 kilometers of stairs? :D
Tottanka
28-12-2006, 16:57
=]
i think not, and if in a more cercastic way ill take it seriously, i actually think that there is no 5k stairs anywhere in Israel =]
and now serioulsy..
one of my team members has seen a smiling face and a lock above it in the hint's right side, refer to it as you wish' i ofound no head, and even if i did, i cant see what it gives us..
On the other hand' this Diamon plate might also looks like a number "5" pool ball, wich is a yellow ball..hm, yellow, like a bannana... and - pool' hm like a pool with WATER...
it might also be a Golf ball, adn you gt 5 shots to put it in the hole or something, i dont know =\
raymaniac
28-12-2006, 17:09
=]
i actually think that there is no 5k stairs anywhere in Israel =]
Of course there is...
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/3/34/Impossible_staircase.svg/180px-Impossible_staircase.svg.png :D
LightWaves1636
28-12-2006, 17:52
Okay my sister came up with paranoid ideas. or weird or whatever. I printed out the picture and my sister looked at it upside down, she said "hey it's a 'g'". That's about it from her, I would go on but her guess is a bit out there. My guess for the blue background, maybe instead of carpet there'll be new terrain. My co-captain's been making the this guess for the past three years,"my guess would be some terrain", probaly because he loves 4-wheeling though. My sister says maybe there are five golden rings that to retrieved in water with islands made of diamond plate. another team member took a guess at maybe there are a seris of objectives we have to complete before time runs out(he was looking at the lego league pictures). That last guess one of us have is, it's only the first clue because of when I saved the picture, the files name was '2007Clue1'.:confused:
cgdtgurl07
28-12-2006, 21:15
maybe they'll have 5 individual platforms for the robots to go on instead of one one big one on each end like past years.
anyone else see the audience in the background of the pic???
Maybe the banana should be taken more literally :D
I like the rings, and the field like a five of diamonds card
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v437/daunte2moss07/FIRST/5damonds1.gif
...with a platform in the center instead, and the diamond's are towers.
Then in four places (similarly placed to the diamond's but closer to the center) are four banana shaped towers with rings on the stem.
The goal is to get the rings off the bananas onto the diamond's, or get rings from your hp and do the same. Then end up on the platform in the middle.
Now the bananas are incorporated, the diamond plate and the five are explained, and so are the rings around the diamond plate :D
On the other hand, maybe the human players need to run on a treadmill while the robots go. In that case, I volunteer to be human player :)
JaneYoung
28-12-2006, 23:20
I just read (re-read in parts) all 38 pages.
There's some good stuff:
puns, jokes, ideas, poetry - neato...
I did not see this:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Home_Plate_%28Mars%29
In a lot of the thread, esp. the first 15 pages, there are references to levels and baseball suggestions like home plate.
I thought this interesting anyway.
Dan Petrovic
28-12-2006, 23:21
There has also been a recently recorded trend of the game pieces where they follow the pattern of the first logo: triangle=tetra, ball=circle, square= ?
That has been said a thousand times before you.
And I don't think that's true. The FIRST logo goes Triange, Circle Square.
2000 - Circle
2001 - Circle
2002 - Circle
2003 - Square! :ahh:
2004 - Circle
2005 - Triangle! :ahh:
2006 - Circle
Frankly I don't see much of a trend here. If it does follow a trend, the trend would be part of the FIRST logo every other year in succession following the Triangle Circle Square (bolded), and in between those years it would involve circles.
So... if it did follow that trend, the next game peice would be circular, which has already been suggested by many many people. I think the most likely theory to be true would be the game peice being innertubes or hoops.
Yeah, that's just what I think.
Hmm...130 lbs. @ 15 fps + inner tubes = ? Seems like massive carnage of game pieces and not a logical candidate for speculation, right? Can anyone think of a similar/analagous more durable game piece to serve the same function in the ever popular "water themed" fantasy?
artdutra04
29-12-2006, 00:48
Hmm...130 lbs. @ 15 fps + inner tubes = ? Seems like massive carnage of game pieces and not a logical candidate for speculation, right?It's been done before... ;)
http://www.firstwiki.org/media/0/04/Toroid_Terror_structure.jpg (http://www.firstwiki.org/index.php/Toroid_Terror)
http://www.firstwiki.org/index.php/Toroid_Terror
Tottanka
29-12-2006, 09:25
I just read (re-read in parts) all 38 pages.
There's some good stuff:
puns, jokes, ideas, poetry - neato...
I did not see this:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Home_Plate_%28Mars%29
In a lot of the thread, esp. the first 15 pages, there are references to levels and baseball suggestions like home plate.
I thought this interesting anyway.
i really think Jane is on to something here
especailly consideriing Daves signature:
My OTHER CAR is still on Mars!!!
What do u say?
bear24rw
29-12-2006, 13:50
i really think Jane is on to something here
especailly consideriing Daves signature:
What do u say?
Thats been his signature for a long time...
coffeybeanz
29-12-2006, 14:23
i think pool...its fun game, the first "hint" that people were sending around was water over a robot...a type of "pool", and now we have a number on a circular white background...and yes while the five in pool is orange, the two is not and a two is a mirror image of the five....course this is just totally random speculation
artdutra04
29-12-2006, 15:05
I just read (re-read in parts) all 38 pages.
There's some good stuff:
puns, jokes, ideas, poetry - neato...
I did not see this:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Home_Plate_%28Mars%29
In a lot of the thread, esp. the first 15 pages, there are references to levels and baseball suggestions like home plate.
I thought this interesting anyway.That certainly wouldn't be the first time that there's been a Mars rover/FIRST connection. :p
JVN (JVN) on Mars:
http://www.chiefdelphi.com/media/img/17a/17ab31124b445c4ee6c3e136e522df41_m.jpg (http://www.chiefdelphi.com/media/photos/21945)
I recently watched the 2006 game animation. At the end it says it is produced by Havna (not sure on spelling) Banana. Maybe that is where the banana comes from.
It's been done before... ;)
http://www.firstwiki.org/media/0/04/Toroid_Terror_structure.jpg (http://www.firstwiki.org/index.php/Toroid_Terror)
http://www.firstwiki.org/index.php/Toroid_Terror
Does anyone know if the innertubes used in pic were standard, inflatable ones? If so, how did they avoid constant puncturing or slicing? Fair to suppose the GDC wouldn't use exactly the same game pieces?
StephLee
29-12-2006, 19:38
I recently watched the 2006 game animation. At the end it says it is produced by Havna (not sure on spelling) Banana. Maybe that is where the banana comes from.
I think Dave puts that at the end of every animation. Hava Banana productions is like his signature for animations.
RoboCoach
29-12-2006, 20:37
I bet the power(s) that be who actually know the game are getting a kick out of this thread.
Sgraff_SRHS06
29-12-2006, 22:44
I bet the power(s) that be who actually know the game are getting a kick out of this thread.
Believe it or not, they actually look at these. Sometimes enough guesses may actually influence the Gaming committee.
Someone on ChiefDelphi usually guesses the game almost exactly. Last year, they (I think) mentioned the user who guessed it.
I still think that there are absolutely NO patterns in FIRST games. I have a theory that when the GDC (or maybe Dean alone) has their first "meeting" they come up with a new(or old) concept in engineering, technology, etc... And then they build a game around that concept in order to teach/introduce students, and even mentors, about this idea.
This has absolutely nothing to do with any theories about what http://www.usfirst.org/uploadedImages/Community/FRC/Assets/2007Clue1.jpg means, but that is my idea on the thinking of the GDC...
Maybe the 5 has something to do with the number of periods in each match. Or maybe the time interval between colors changing for the CMUCam...
Alex Burman
30-12-2006, 13:10
I think I may have it figured out. Putting all 3 things together. The light display at the championships (http://www.chiefdelphi.com/forums/showthread.php?t=46942), the official picture, and dave's new hint (http://www.chiefdelphi.com/forums/showthread.php?t=50762).
I think its about different terrain on the field.
On the image the background looked ripply, like water. But when I thought about one of dave's previous posts (http://www.chiefdelphi.com/forums/showpost.php?p=533392&postcount=7) I thought about ice. That would lead to the blue light on that part of the field.
Then this talk about fire made me think of volcanoes and all the rough terrain around them. That would lead to the red light.
The green light could be one of 2 things depending on what the game may be. I haven't fully made up my mind as to what it may be.
The green light could be for grass, a 3rd, normal part of the field. If this is so then the game, i would guess would be a time trial like we had in the past. 5 robots would be going around. the diamond plate discs could be like slalom gates or obstacles.
My other thought was that the field would just be split in half and the green light would highlight game pieces. The diamond plate discs could be the places where you put the game pieces to score.
I haven't paying much attention to the speculation so please don't get mad if I took your idea. please let me know what you think.
gizmoman1089
30-12-2006, 13:15
And I don't think that's true. The FIRST logo goes Triange, Circle Square.
2000 - Circle
2001 - Circle
2002 - Circle
2003 - Square! :ahh:
2004 - Circle
2005 - Triangle! :ahh:
2006 - Circle
but what was the game piece shape in 1999, if it was a triangle, than it would have a pattern.
savage301
30-12-2006, 13:26
The 1999 piece was floppies according to FIRSTWiki. So I guess thats a circle. After reading all of these posts I like the idea of five goals. One in each corner and one in the center. To make the game 3 vs. 2 or 4 vs 1 would make the competition just that much harder to administrate. I have no real idea but I'm just going to try and wait the 6 days 5 hours and 39 mins and rest up for the build season. :D
Dan Petrovic
30-12-2006, 14:36
but what was the game piece shape in 1999, if it was a triangle, than it would have a pattern.
I believe 2003 was the first year that didn't involve circular game peices.
BandChick
30-12-2006, 16:58
but what was the game piece shape in 1999, if it was a triangle, than it would have a pattern.
1999 was floppy disks. So, no, they were circular.
artdutra04
30-12-2006, 19:22
but what was the game piece shape in 1999, if it was a triangle, than it would have a pattern.Sorry, it looks like you're out of luck. ;) The 1999 paying field piece was a "floppy", which resembled a beanbag coated with rings of Velcro on it. Here's the "pattern" - or lack thereof - of all playing field objects going back to the original year of 1992:
1992: Ball
1993: Ball
1994: Ball
1995: Ball
1996: Ball
1997: Torus (inner tube)
1998: Ball
1999: Floppy (beanbag thingamajig)
2000: Ball
2001: Ball
2002: Ball
2003: Boxes
2004: Ball
2005: Tetra
2006: Ball
Sorry, it looks like you're out of luck. ;) The 1999 paying field piece was a "floppy", which resembled a beanbag coated with rings of Velcro on it. Here's the "pattern" - or lack thereof - of all playing field objects going back to the original year of 1992:
1992: Ball
1993: Ball
1994: Ball
1995: Ball
1996: Ball
1997: Torus (inner tube)
1998: Ball
1999: Floppy (beanbag thingamajig)
2000: Ball
2001: Ball
2002: Ball
2003: Boxes
2004: Ball
2005: Tetra
2006: Ball
Well.. the past aside, I think FIRST might now be into switching things up, which suggests balls may show up every other year, or so..
I don't know what the game is going to be, but I'll make the bold-stupid prediction that balls will not be the primary scoring object of 2007.
burkey_turkey
30-12-2006, 20:41
my best guess, taken from part of theories i really liked from this thread, is that the field will be layed out like the 5 of diamonds, some sort of tower or scoring device on each corner, and in the center a free spinning circle (made of diamond aluminum) on a platform. points for being on the platform at the end. possibly a hanoi tower type game with innertubes on the 4 towers? this clue really cant get you to do anything but throw out a crazy guess based on what your subconcious would like to see the game as.
one week to kickoff!! woot!
cgredalertcc
30-12-2006, 20:46
Well.. the past aside, I think FIRST might now be into switching things up, which suggests balls may show up every other year, or so..
I don't know what the game is going to be, but I'll make the bold-stupid prediction that balls will not be the primary scoring object of 2007.
now there is some ground to stand on. I would agree that the pattern theory has been blown away. I have been in first for three years and I hadn't taken the time to look back on the challenges it was jsut a rumor I had heard sorry. So if its not a ball/circle what shape is it? Banana? Pentagon? Those are the two distinctive possiblilities based on the fish picture clue and the "5" clue.
Fumbling Pirate
30-12-2006, 20:49
With all these hints to water and fish, and now the diamond plate with a blue background, it made me think of my aunt's aquarium. She's got this fish that she says is called a blue diamond. I looked it up on Wikipedia:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Discus_(fish)#Common_Colour_Varieties
The fish is a variation of the Discus fish. Maybe the peices are going to be discs? This kinda fits with the idea of inner tubes that have been mentioned. They're the same shape!
Banana? Pentagon? Those are the two distinctive possiblilities based on the fish picture clue and the "5" clue.Which fish (http://www.chiefdelphi.com/media/photos/26095?) picture (http://www.chiefdelphi.com/media/photos/22418) clue? At least one of those is a fake by my guess, and probably both. The one by Dave is most likely a red herring (although no herring is shown).
CrazyCanuck809
30-12-2006, 22:21
I think that there are going to be five different poles that we will need to stack inflatable pool tubes on, two for each team as well as one wild one that either team can stack on. They would be positioned two at each end and one in the dead center.
As far as the whole diamond idea goes, I'm kind of confused as to where that came from. Somebody said the five of diamonds might have something to do with it, but aren't there also fives of hearts, spades, and clubs? Clarification would be great thanks.
Fumbling Pirate
30-12-2006, 22:46
As far as the whole diamond idea goes, I'm kind of confused as to where that came from. Somebody said the five of diamonds might have something to do with it, but aren't there also fives of hearts, spades, and clubs? Clarification would be great thanks.
I think they were refering to the 5 of diamonds because the 5 is on diamond plate.
CrazyCanuck809
30-12-2006, 23:33
oh ok. well, going into more depth, this is what I think the game will be, but it is most likely entirely wrong.
The field would be the same size as last year and be divided into two sides, red and blue alliances. It will be 3 v 3 and the field will have 5 poles on it set up like the 5 of diamonds card. Each team would have two poles that would represent their goals and the middle goal would be a wild goal that either team could score on. The goals would be on the opposing team's side (red's on blue side, blue's on red side) while the wild one would be in the dead center. To score, team's would need to stack pool tubes on the poles, each tube representing an amount of points. Also, the match would be split into quarter's like last year's game, red can score, then blue, then both.
The middle pole would be set up on a raised platform that is made of diamond plate. There would be steep ramps leading up to the platform that are also made up of diamond plate. the platform would be big enough for, say, 4 robots to fit on. If a team has all three of their robots on the platform by the end of the match, they get bonus points.
I would say that there would be some sort of tic-tac-toe element carried over from the 2005 game, but I don't think FIRST would carry over something that has been used so recently.
What do you guys think?
cgredalertcc
31-12-2006, 11:23
I think they were refering to the 5 of diamonds because the 5 is on diamond plate.
I believe they were also refering to the layout of the diamonds on the playing card one at each corner and then a centered one. My personal theory/hope is that there is a layout like the five of diamonds. At each of the five postitions there would be a raised platform. The goal is to all three of the robots on your alliance onto the platform. I don't know the idea seems a little simple to me still but it would make for very easy driving scoring and building. Your alliance has three on you win. The part that would be bad about this is is you have a dead robot on your alliance you would automatically lose. I guess the problems with this clue are 1: Way too vague and 2: Its a picture way so it is easy to interpret as you see it, where as a textual clue is up for interpretation, but it says what is says theres no changing that.
Elgin Clock
31-12-2006, 12:01
Okay my sister came up with paranoid ideas. or weird or whatever. I printed out the picture and my sister looked at it upside down, she said "hey it's a 'g'".
Turn it 90 degrees one way from the 5, and it looks like a fancy connected 07. w00t for 2007 shorthand. :cool:
Dancin103
31-12-2006, 12:04
Here, here is a thought...I don't know if anyone has already said this but here is something to help the thought process...for the last few years the pattern has been 2 years of an original game and then a game that includes things from previous years and then it starts all over again. So I can see what everyone has been saying with the 1999 game that included floppy disks and a movable platfom puck that you had to get up onto.
Mister_Juggles
31-12-2006, 14:54
hmm, I've done my fair share of speculation, but most of what I've thought of has already been said. There is one thing, however, that I haven't seen mentioned: there is no red in the picture. So...(it sounds farfetched, but notsomuch as some of these ideas :D ) perhaps it *is* a 5-team game....but there is only one team. Maybe it's 5 bots doing something to score points in a certain time period, but it isn't team vs. team, but everyone work together on the same team (which does sound more FIRSTy to me). If they did this, the tourney-style finals would have to be different, and I think it would have to be a higher scoring game in order to prevent 4 different finals matches having the same score of 62 or something.
5 pads for robots.
Your robot doesn't leave the pad. As in, no wheels.
Maybe you get to use a teather bot, but otherwise it's big arm robots with stationary platforms.
BEST has done it before... and it would be different.
Richard Wallace
31-12-2006, 17:17
5 pads for robots.
Your robot doesn't leave the pad. As in, no wheels. ...This would force us to think about arms and manipulators, instead of drivetrains. If I was on the GDC and wanted to move FRC further in the direction of robotics (and away from RC cart design), this is one idea I might try.;)
JennGriffin
31-12-2006, 20:55
Hmm...the robots not moving around. Sounds interesting, but would it be interesting to watch? The robotic arms would have to have a long reach to reach across the playing field. We will all know soo enough.
Richard Wallace
31-12-2006, 21:43
Hmm...the robots not moving around. Sounds interesting, but would it be interesting to watch? The robotic arms would have to have a long reach to reach across the playing field. We will all know soo enough.Suppose each robot could only reach halfway across, to hand a gamepiece to an alliance partner? Hand-off required for scoring ...
june_2008
31-12-2006, 22:24
Connecticut was the fifth state to ratify the Constitution.
Nawaid Ladak
01-01-2007, 02:00
well, here we go.....
you get FIVE cards in a hand of standard poker
FIVE cards are placed on the table when you play Texas Holdem
the Dimand plate loks like a poker chip
FIVE of dimands
thats just one idea
my next idea
the clue was released on the 21st. FIVE days till the end of christmas (FIVE golden rings)
there are FIVE rings for the olympic rings
Has anyone seen the ebay ad on tv with the dimand ring going through the pipes and stuff. thats what i just got to thinking.
next idea.....
football+Hockey
(the dimand plate, with a PUCK)
Feild goal posts with difffrent rings and balls. thats my idea
i'll post a link to a video of what i think the game peice could be.
back tommorrrow
thefro526
01-01-2007, 02:19
Three Words: Giant Metal Stuctures
I belive that the diamond plate may refer to a large metal stucture only large enough for 5 robots or gamepieces.
AntiSleep
01-01-2007, 04:40
This is Team 1444s Christmas gift to everyone out there.
OK, so I've done some intense thinking and I believe this theory fits most of the aspects of the clue.
So the background is blue - like the Oceans of Earth - the oceans drive weather all around the world by affecting temperatures and pressures of landmasses near them. Now, diamonds - as in the diamond plate - are also created under the influence of temperature and pressure. Now say you took 5 bananas, like the one seen in the background of the image. Bananas contain carbon, so if you placed them under intense pressure and heat, you would have five artificial diamonds. This takes an impressive pressure of about 8.3 GigaPascals, (reference (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Synthetic_diamond) ) which is about 0.05 giga-torr. Artificial diamonds vary in clarity based on impurities in the substance that was used to make them. 5 bananas would probably produce a very cloudy and foggy diamond. This would look remarkably like the ice on a hockey rink. A hockey rink is also rounded with flat sides, much like the rounded diamond plate would be if a pressure of about 5000 PSI was exerted on either side. I've also seen that the "5" appears to be in Arial font. System of a Down (reference) (http://www.systemofadown.com/) has written a song called Aerials. The first portion of this song is 3 mins and 50 seconds long - perhaps representing the round time. There is then a Hidden track at 3:57 entitled Arto, named after a musician. Perhaps, the robot will have to use tone recognition this year instead of vision from last year. The 5 is also bold. BOLD appears to be an acronym for Barcode of Life Data-Systems (reference) (http://www.barcodinglife.org/views/login.php). This group appears to deal with the organization and cataloging of the different species on earth based on DNA. Perhaps this means there will be 5 pucks that need to be shot into goals in some specific order.
Now that the game is out good luck with your designs! Happy New Year and you can thank us by bringing some good competition. :cool:
What if the game pieces were polished aluminum that would reflect colored lighting to throw off everyone's light sensors, hmm?
Edit: It's 5:02 a.m. there is nobody on CD. Happy New Year!
rocketdawg3000
01-01-2007, 08:40
Don't forget...the cylindrical diamond plate could represent a 0 as in 50
MarsBOtkid
01-01-2007, 11:35
It looks like a clear blue ball with a diamond plate with number 5. It really looks like a ball if you look close enough
MarsBOtkid
01-01-2007, 11:38
Do you all remember the hint at Nationals last year Green, yellow, blue, red LEDs.. the guy said be prepared for the future.
geeknerd99
01-01-2007, 12:16
Basketball is played with 5 players on each side, isn't it?
(Not that it's gonna be 5vs5 this year. That's just not gonna happen)
5's gotta either stand for: something to with goals, some sort of time interval, or simply a reference to a backbot.
What if instead of a true water game, they make a "water game"? There's sections of "water" that give you a penalty when you drive into it? No, that sounds too much like FLL. FRC games seem to be very abstract, instead of real-world based.
I like the idea of a central diamond plate platform. Triple Play was kinda boring with the lack of elevation and Aim High only had ramps on the ends. But we could get 14 ft/s across the field though both years. Perhaps we can catch some big air with a ramp in the center.:ahh:
Tom Bottiglieri
01-01-2007, 12:19
The 5 means autonomous mode will be at the end of the game.
We will be tracking multiple *somethings*
AndyMark will be a bigger supplier for the KOP.
JamesBrown
01-01-2007, 13:18
The 5 means autonomous mode will be at the end of the game.
We will be tracking multiple *somethings*
AndyMark will be a bigger supplier for the KOP.
I am not sure how you turned % into Auto mode at the end of the match but I really hope that this is the case. It would make it alot harder for teams using only dead reckoning with counters and force them to start to use what FIRST is giving us.
burkey_turkey
01-01-2007, 13:48
i really like the idea mentioned on the previous page about robots with no wheels. most robots arent on wheels, they are stationary and perform a task like that. i think the cooperation needed by alliances if they cannot move, as well as the inginuity required to build a good stationary manipulator is just what FIRST is trying to teach us. I dont think the clue is suggesting this though, unless its a 5 vs. 0 challenge. If not this year, i think it would be nice to see a stationary robot challenge in the future. One thing to keep in mind though is, robots on wheels are more entertaining, and FIRST draws in support by looking cool with science and stationary bots just dont look as cool.
mtaman02
01-01-2007, 13:52
I'm surprised that no one has started making a Twas the nite before Kickoff Stort. I'll post a link of the previous ones when I get a chance
Diamond plate will not be on a high raised platform. Remember volunteers must be able to assemble and diamond plate is heavy. Therefore the structure would have to be real heavy to support it. Diamond plate has been used as wall and ramp material.
Another guess of mine is a combo of a few points.
5 of diamonds - 5 goals in a diamond pattern on the field
Circled diamond plate - objects to be placed on round goals - may be flat objects like the floppies or tubes
Issues come on were are the human players, is there a "home Plate" that you must end up at? Must you "circle" the 5 bases in order to score? Curious minds would like to know.
Fish? I don't think so as we all know what a Red Herring is.
Eric Scheuing
01-01-2007, 14:28
I think I've got it.
There will be a 5 foot high circular diamond plate platform in the middle of the field surrounded by a square pool of water. Water game!
monkofevil
01-01-2007, 17:00
Perhaps we are to use 5 covers to cover 5 lights...
ThatIndianKid89
01-01-2007, 17:13
First Post...here goes:
We've now all read about the possibility of water, ice, and fire on the field in various different rumors.
So. Remember that 5?
The elements? Think back to pokemon-- earth, air, water, fire, electricity/ice/..magic...?
maybe it has something to do with the Five elements?
or maybe the Five senses?
Orrrr I could be over thinking it...but hey...FIRST does that to you...
JBotAlan
01-01-2007, 17:25
I don't think we're on the right track. Think about it. I don't know if you've ever been to a FIRST competition before, but it takes a nice while to set up and tear down. We are responsible for leaving the venue relatively clean after our regional/championship. Now think of what ice/water/earth/fire(:yikes: ) would do to that...as interesting as that would be, I don't think it will ever happen.
I personally think it's a conspiracy. Last year, one of the game hints had "tangling with pasta" in the middle of it. *PASTA*! This 5 is probably just there to make us wonder what the 5 in the middle of the game hint is for. Dave is probably sitting back cracking up about all the "whacked-out" theories we've got.
Not to mention programming auton to deal with dirt or ice on the field would be...interesting.
But keep thinking. Maybe I'm wrong.
JBot
well someone mentioned that the 5 looked like thew 5 on the five ball from billiards. MAYBE its ganna be a game of billiards (more like 9 ball). why do i think this?
-there has been many references to a pool/water based theme. Pool is another name for billiards!!
-dimonds for 9 ball pool set up
-there must be balls scince reference to pool
-there can also be a chance for a multi field scenarios makeing it harder or esier to make shots (does that last one make anysense?)
im just out on a limb here but thats my new theory
I don't think we're on the right track. Think about it. I don't know if you've ever been to a FIRST competition before, but it takes a nice while to set up and tear down. We are responsible for leaving the venue relatively clean after our regional/championship. Now think of what ice/water/earth/fire(:yikes: ) would do to that...as interesting as that would be, I don't think it will ever happen.
I personally think it's a conspiracy. Last year, one of the game hints had "tangling with pasta" in the middle of it. *PASTA*! This 5 is probably just there to make us wonder what the 5 in the middle of the game hint is for. Dave is probably sitting back cracking up about all the "whacked-out" theories we've got.
Not to mention programming auton to deal with dirt or ice on the field would be...interesting.
But keep thinking. Maybe I'm wrong.
JBot
Yeah, I'm not sure about the water. Water and robots don't really mix.
well someone mentioned that the 5 looked like thew 5 on the five ball from billiards. MAYBE its ganna be a game of billiards (more like 9 ball). why do i think this?
-there has been many references to a pool/water based theme. Pool is another name for billiards!!
-dimonds for 9 ball pool set up
-there must be balls scince reference to pool
-there can also be a chance for a multi field scenarios makeing it harder or esier to make shots (does that last one make anysense?)
im just out on a limb here but thats my new theory
Or maybe instead of balls, there are inter tubes, (or any other object for that matter) that is numbered/colored, then you have to manipulate these objects in order to place them in their appropriate location (maybe 6 because of the billiards idea) for scoring.
I think I've got it.
There will be a 5 foot high circular diamond plate platform in the middle of the field surrounded by a square pool of water. Water game!
maybe its like this but with stationary robots, like some have mentioned...
it would be pretty interesting...
~Alex~
I think I've got it.
There will be a 5 foot high circular diamond plate platform in the middle of the field surrounded by a square pool of water. Water game!
I really don't think there is going to be any water. The arenas where these events are held would worry about a leak.
uhhh....this thing working? oh well...never been here before, ok but yeah, i noticed someone said something about a history between the game clues and baseball, well i dotn nkow if anybody mentioned this yet or not(to many pages to read through) but isnt the home plate a five sided diamond?(the five and the diamond plate it rests on), just thought id put thta out there
charlie1218
01-01-2007, 21:41
While looking at the picture at avery magnified view, with a little refining and sharpening I see 4 things distinctly: 1) in the right side I see two wires feeding into the DP 2) I see a blue outer cricle around the DP circle, possibly 5 raised, ble platfroms? 3) a bust of a person in the upper righ corner, to me Sir Isaac Newton, Possibly gravity will play into this competition as a big thing 4) below that I see something that either looks like the face of baby, or a bald white male smiling intensley, Youth is key?. My two cents. I will dig in further tommorow with a High Def monitor.
Dan Petrovic
01-01-2007, 22:12
I think I've got it.
There will be a 5 foot high circular diamond plate platform in the middle of the field surrounded by a square pool of water. Water game!
I don't want to sound harsh, and I don't want to seem like I'm freaking out at just you, Eric Scheuing, but all of the posts about people suggesting a water game are getting really old.
Sure, it was funny the first couple of times, but when the thousandth person has said it for the thousandth time. It loses it's humor. It's not funny anymore. It's just annoying.
I know everyone is saying it as a joke, but it's a joke that, I feel, has gone too far.
JBotAlan
01-01-2007, 22:33
uhhh....this thing working? oh well...never been here before, ok but yeah, i noticed someone said something about a history between the game clues and baseball, well i dotn nkow if anybody mentioned this yet or not(to many pages to read through) but isnt the home plate a five sided diamond?(the five and the diamond plate it rests on), just thought id put thta out there
I think that this is the best unrelated guess. I think that this makes some sense, but I quit believing in the clues when kickoff hit last year and "5 bots tangling with pasta" was completely trashed--5 bots? wrong. tangling? not a bit. Pasta? ummm....
so why must I keep looking at this thread if I don't believe in clues...?:p
A water game will never happen. Ever. GDC, feel free to surprise me senior year. That would be...memorable:yikes:
JBot
Jonathan Norris
01-01-2007, 22:43
The elements? Think back to pokemon-- earth, air, water, fire, electricity/ice/..magic...?
Wow thats the first time i have seen a connection of a game hint to Pokemon... Impressive :cool:
I think when we get to pokemon we know that this game hint isn't going anywhere.
Well I forgot all about the clue coming out until a little while ago, and while at first I also was a little dissapointed by the simplicity if it, there certainly has been pleanty of discussion. I read through 8 pages before I realized there were 43! I just don't have that kind of time, so here are my first thoughts without reading all that's been said. Forgive me if its already been mentioned.
5 robots working together in a timed event like the year robots and goals had to be balanced on a see-saw. This time however they must balance on a disk supported off the ground at the center.
I don't think there's any way first would do a water game because of the issues it would cause with venues. No one wants their nice wood gym floor destroyed by splash or spill causing a water soaked carpet that takes days to dry,and who will pay for the damage. Not to mention the fact that water and electricity really don't mix very well from a safety standpoint.
There could however be some field element refered to as something to do with water like "crossing the moat" as you would have to do in the clue photo to get to the disk. The FLL games had a water "theme" a few years ago.
Maybe the disk has one flat edge so you can tip that side down and make it stable to get on.
Seems too obvious but who knows.
I guess we'll all know Saturday!!!
Luck to all
After taking parts of two seperate days to get through the whole thing, I have managed to get here. One thing I have noticed is that if you took out all of the repetive posts, this thread wouldn't be nearly half the length that it currently is... so please read through before posting, or at least search.
I've tried messing around with the photo, but I don't have access to the fancy photoshop stuff at school during break, so I can't get the best results. I agree that theres alot of stuff hidden in the background, but even when you know what it is, the connections aren't always that strong to the final game. Last year, although you could possibly come up with the name for the game from the clue, it still wouldn't explain the game very well. I think that we all love to see if we are smarter than the GDC, and the length of this thread proves otherwise... (sorry).
I personally want to lend my vote to a "king of the hill" type of game.
Oh, and one interesting idea... what if the diamond plate in the picture is the shape of the field for this year?
Now, time to finish that English paper so I have some free time once Kickoff arrives.
Okay, you can all stop guessing, I've figured the clue out. It took a lot of thought, but once I keyed in on the right idea, it all came together. See, I remembered that my most important lessons in life all came from one place, Sesame Street. So, I did some digging, and this is what I found.
Ladies and Gentlemen, here is the explanation of the 2007 FRC Game Hint.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dlgiritpmfo
Yes, I know it's complicated at first, but once you watch it a few times it all comes together. Notice the illuminated '5'. Doesn't it all make sense?
I predict we'll be seeing the GDC wearing powder blue tuxedos and singing this song at kickoff.
...Give me one, two, three, four, give me five...
;)
Sagar Vyas
02-01-2007, 05:51
Now it really makes sense!!
I know I'll be singing this song during kick-off :p
"Gimmie Five!"
MikeDubreuil
02-01-2007, 07:24
...Give me one, two, three, four, give me five...This is quite an amazing find. I first dismissed it as a joke but after watching the video I'm convinced Dave intended for someone to find that video.
The background of the stage is blue (like the clue image.)
There's obviously a round circle with a 5 on it (like the clue image.)
The circle is illuminated (think autonomous lights for the camera.) Perhaps an autonomous mode where the robots have to drive onto an illuminated platform in the field during autonomous.
The singers are on a giant circular platform (think 1999 vintage puck.)I'm loving it...
I predict we'll be seeing the GDC wearing powder blue tuxedos and singing this song at kickoff.
G4TV: (http://www.g4tv.com/techtvvault/features/37579/Peeping_Into_Kamens_Crib.html) "I don't own a suit," Kamen told us. "I have a tuxedo, but it's just a costume."Well, well... I wonder if it's powder-blue?
Richard Wallace
02-01-2007, 08:50
Okay, you can all stop guessing, I've figured the clue out. It took a lot of thought, but once I keyed in on the right idea, it all came together. See, I remembered that my most important lessons in life all came from one place, Sesame Street. ...Of course! The connection between SS and FIRST is profound:Sunny day - Sweepin’ the clouds away,
On my way to where the air is sweet.
Can you tell me how to get, how to get to Sesame Street.
Come and play, everything’s A-OK
Friendly neighbors there that’s where we meet
Can you tell me how to get
How to get to Sesame Street
It’s a magic carpet ride. Every door will open wide.
Happy people like you. Happy people who.
Like a beautiful sunny day sweepin’ the clouds away
On my way to where the air is sweet
Can you tell me how to get,
How to get to Sesame street, how to get to Sesame Street, How to get to . .
Billfred
02-01-2007, 09:18
Well, well... I wonder if it's powder-blue?
No such luck. (http://www.chiefdelphi.com/media/photos/15900)
Tottanka
02-01-2007, 09:19
Oh My God!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
:eek: :ahh: :eek::ahh:
The name of the band is "The Floaters", and floating stuff has already been mentioned a lot in this thread, here is one more clue for that...
Someone must get what the Latin guy sais...
i bet my hat it's a clue!!!!
Gimme One Two Three Four
But if you love me more
Gimme Five....
Maybe "Gimme Five is the name of the game? :)
blue, blue, blue, blue, blue..
so.. blue, eh?
ewankoff
02-01-2007, 11:17
looking really closely i see that the dimond plate has a small gray rim that cuts off the diamonds. i bet its not signifcant but id thought id point it out.
I did not have time to read all the post but I would like to make this observation. Diamond tread plate is used on platforms as a non-skid surface. Just a guess but five platforms at different elevations. Maybe a stair configuration to get to some kind of goal or retreive a game element.
In the blue background there are two groups of five smiley faces, one on the right side and the other on the left side of the DP.
In the blue background there are two groups of five smiley faces, one on the right side and the other on the left side of the DP.
yay somone else that sees it! humm i dont c anyon the left side though the one on the right is in your face this just means the background is really an animation
the group on the left are along the rim of the DP. they are very mall but they are there.
i actually see 2 groups on the right, one is mid picture and the other is in the upper right. just thought i might point that out.
~Alex~
Ted Boucher
02-01-2007, 16:50
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dlgiritpmfo
I predict we'll be seeing the GDC wearing powder blue tuxedos and singing this song at kickoff.
...Give me one, two, three, four, give me five...
;)
The group you've all been waiting for..... the lovers of five!
http://i101.photobucket.com/albums/m76/Radar237/5deanwoodydaveblair2.jpg
Ericgehrken
02-01-2007, 17:34
I think the game will put a huge emphasis on robot manuverability because the number five has many arcs and I think the pattern that the robots will have to manuver around goals with with resembe a five due to the five goals on the field that resemble the five of diamonds in a card deck.
raymaniac
02-01-2007, 18:59
Okay, you can all stop guessing, I've figured the clue out. It took a lot of thought, but once I keyed in on the right idea, it all came together. See, I remembered that my most important lessons in life all came from one place, Sesame Street. So, I did some digging, and this is what I found.
Ladies and Gentlemen, here is the explanation of the 2007 FRC Game Hint.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dlgiritpmfo
Yes, I know it's complicated at first, but once you watch it a few times it all comes together. Notice the illuminated '5'. Doesn't it all make sense?
I predict we'll be seeing the GDC wearing powder blue tuxedos and singing this song at kickoff.
...Give me one, two, three, four, give me five...
;)
I don't know what is wierder, this or the Pokemon.
If this actually happens, I will be scared. :ahh:
cprogrammer
02-01-2007, 19:39
Well I just think that it has nothing to do with the game. Instead all they are going to do is count backwards before they show us the game.
StephLee
02-01-2007, 19:40
Well I just think that it has nothing to do with the game. Instead all they are going to do is count backwards before they show us the game.
It's getting a bit too close to kick-off for that theory, isn't it? Less than four days to go, and the 5 is still there.
Vince lau
02-01-2007, 21:16
this probably doesn't mean anything but did anybody notice how the top of the circular diamond plate is cut of in a straight line like the top of the 5 and the bottom of the diamond plate is still kinda round like the curve on the 5.
Ian Curtis
02-01-2007, 21:42
the group on the left are along the rim of the DP. they are very mall but they are there.
Whoah! There are people on both edges of the diamond plate! In the upper left edge of the diamond plate, and the center right edge of the diamond plate in the large image on FIRST's website.
http://www.usfirst.org/uploadedImages/Community/FRC/FRC_Documents_and_Updates/2007_assets/2007Clue1.jpg
Not only, are they faces, but they appear to be the faces of the crowd that have appeared in previous Havabanana productions, just stretched a little, as though they were looking at a rounded object. :ahh:
EDIT: The people are in the blue at the edge locations that I mentioned before. Sorry, I was thinking faster than I could type.
In response to Joel: IDK. Recently, as when I was messing with it in photoshop last week, it was smaller. Perhaps the the GDC realized that the people were not visible in the smaller image. I know I couldn't detect them.
When you said that I thought of the HAL 9000.
BTW: when did the picture get larger?
JaneYoung
02-01-2007, 21:50
Not only, are they faces, but they appear to be the faces of the crowd that have appeared in previous Havabanana productions, just stretched a little, as though they were looking at a rounded object. :ahh:
From our perspective, could we be looking out at the people through something, like a lens?
EDIT: are you seeing the color in the diamond plate? pinky red, speckly.
Tottanka
02-01-2007, 22:19
Ok..I've just done some Photoshop on the photo...
I have nitced that the "5" in the picture has the diamond pattern on it, meaning that the picture was made in a few steps:
First they made the background
Then they put a silver colored ring
Then they put the 5 on it
And onlt then, they made the daimonds...
So that actually means that the 5 and the platform have something to do with each other.... and i personnaly think that that means the 5 isnt the number of bots in the game or anything like it.
The "5" has something to do with the diamond platform. But what?
Maybe the "5" is some kind of a shadow falling from somewhere?
I really wanna figure it our before kick-off. DAve, help us please, help..mayday...
I really wanna figure it our before kick-off. DAve, help us please, help..mayday...He has. He gave us the hint. More than that we will not get from him until Kickoff.
Tottanka
02-01-2007, 22:40
Guys...we have recieved an updated clue...
look at the update date..January 2nd...
The new one shows a few more things that i have noticed...
there are 2 crowds: top left and center right' as people have already mentioned
AND..i have got a pruff that robots WILL NOT be stationary...
loo at the top right cornet, there's a wheel there...that sais it all
Elgin Clock
02-01-2007, 22:41
From our perspective, could we be looking out at the people through something, like a lens?
EDIT: are you seeing the color in the diamond plate? pinky red, speckly.
Lens maybe, and yes I see the specks of color.
I really hate thinking this much over something. lol
Anyways, this is probably my final guess.
The Diamond plate and the 5 seem recessed in a bowl shaped object. The diamond plate is obviously not see through so I can't tell if this object is a rolling goal but I do believe we have a goal on our hands.
Blue 5 pt goal, in the shape of a Volcano - on the real field made out of some poly resin material that is translucent blue and maybe more colors for more teams.
The Volcano shape would explain the skewing of the crowd and the funky optics based trick it is playing with us.
Horray for refraction and optics!!!
I mean c'mon people. How many times have we seen an object in a movie bounced off of a astronaut's mask, or a picture taken with a fish eye lense (ya know.. kinda like this picture in the CD gallery (http://www.chiefdelphi.com/media/img/f9a/f9a38a003ace772f54e2bbbace29a911_l.jpg))
Optics had to come into mainstream FIRST eventually, why not in 2007?
joshsmithers
02-01-2007, 22:42
sorry if someone already said this, but...
Maybe theres really only 5 weeks of build season?
Tottanka
02-01-2007, 22:45
sorry if someone already said this, but...
Maybe theres really only 5 weeks of build season?
There will be 6 weeks to build season, as said in the shipping information and date.
joshsmithers
02-01-2007, 22:50
There will be 6 weeks to build season, as said in the shipping information and date.
yeah, thats the only drawback to my theory.:rolleyes:
burkey_turkey
02-01-2007, 22:59
i just have to say this because of all the people talking about water
when i logged on a few minutes ago, the quote at the very top of the page was this:
dlavery: If there is water in the 2006 game, I will blame it on Gary
i dunno if this was well know that this was said and i missed it or what, but i thought that being layed down as a solid fact would be a nice adition to this discussion.
lallamavolador
02-01-2007, 23:28
looks at the 5 key on your keyboard, it has a slight indernt coming out of it, its in the center, maybe their is a rising platform in the center...
Oh My God!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
:eek: :ahh: :eek::ahh:
The name of the band is "The Floaters", and floating stuff has already been mentioned a lot in this thread, here is one more clue for that...
Someone must get what the Latin guy sais...
i bet my hat it's a clue!!!!
Gimme One Two Three Four
But if you love me more
Gimme Five....
Maybe "Gimme Five is the name of the game? :)
Translation:
"Hi, I am Louis. I have liked this number ever since i was little. You guys know that 2 and 3 is 5, and 4 and 1 is 5 too. Ah the number 5 is so smooth."
No clue here...
Elgin Clock
02-01-2007, 23:40
looks at the 5 key on your keyboard, it has a slight indernt coming out of it, its in the center, maybe their is a rising platform in the center...
No plateau on my 5. But there is a percent symbol.
Maybe you are 5% right? :p ;)
artdutra04
02-01-2007, 23:40
i just have to say this because of all the people talking about water
when i logged on a few minutes ago, the quote at the very top of the page was this:
dlavery: If there is water in the 2006 game, I will blame it on Gary
i dunno if this was well know that this was said and i missed it or what, but i thought that being layed down as a solid fact would be a nice adition to this discussion.We're already done with the 2006 game - that was Aim High. They're going to kick off the 2007 game on Saturday. ;)
P.S. Here's the original thread from which that spotlight was from. http://www.chiefdelphi.com/forums/showthread.php?p=399886#post399886 ;)
JaneYoung
02-01-2007, 23:47
No plateau on my 5. But there is a percent symbol.
Maybe you are 5% right? :p ;)
I have a little plateau.
edit: (5 is also in the center surrounded by the other numbers, creating a square.)
With all the little people and the plateau, volcano - I can't help but think of an old movie, Close Encounters of The Third Kind, with Richard Dreyfuss. He made one out of mashed potatoes. When they begin try to communicate, they use a bar with lights and sounds (5 tones) - I don't have the correct terminology but it is way cool.
Noah Kleinberg
03-01-2007, 00:11
I haven't read the whole thread so this might have been said before, but there's definitely a fish in the lower right hand corner...
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v168/penguin_asylum/untitled-1.jpg
Cody Carey
03-01-2007, 00:14
Just out of curiosity, what is the spacing between the wheel sets? Is it sufficient to cross a 20-inch wide, 16-inch deep, water-filled moat, should that capability ever be necessary?
-dave
hmm...
Why would there be water on the field? come on people think. they would not have water on the field for a few safety reasons.
BandChick
03-01-2007, 10:39
I have a little plateau.
With all the little people and the plateau, volcano - I can't help but think of an old movie, Close Encounters of The Third Kind, with Richard Dreyfuss. He made one out of mashed potatoes. When they begin try to communicate, they use a bar with lights and sounds (5 tones) - I don't have the correct terminology but it is way cool.
That was my first thought when Elgin said volcano.
And on the topic of Close Encounters, my friend Nikki just got those 5 tones for her text message ringtone.
Sindegen
03-01-2007, 11:03
I have a lot of thoughts that needed to be spewed out. Some of them are:
1) If there was a banana in the old hint the first thing I thought of was slipping. Maybe if there were circular platforms may they make it so it's hard to get on top?
2) With the new clue, I see the faces that looks like a crowd... I see a fish at the bottom right. But is it just me or is there a face in the bottom left hand corner? Looks like 2 eyes an open mouth a hat and a bearded sillohuette. Looks like something from a cartoon. Please tell me I'm not the only one that sees it.
These are just some thoughts right now, I will post if I have any other things on my mind. Hope this brings up good conversation!
I agree that this may be an update, probably to sharpen certain things that hadn't popped out earlier. If so, there is the possibility that they would change other things as well, hiding a message in the picture. I would bet that they might use steganograpy (credit goes to Mazin). All of the links to the old picture are low, so if someone is sure that they have the original, please post it. That way we have both of them here to compare...
CE Mexican
03-01-2007, 12:24
Guys...we have recieved an updated clue...
look at the update date..January 2nd...
The new one shows a few more things that i have noticed...
there are 2 crowds: top left and center right' as people have already mentioned
AND..i have got a pruff that robots WILL NOT be stationary...
loo at the top right cornet, there's a wheel there...that sais it all
that object that looks like a wheel in the upper right corner also looks like an alien face, with a hood on it if you look at it. Sorry guys but im just talking out of my a$$!
Sindegen
03-01-2007, 12:49
Hmmm... My friend and I just looked at the old picture and the new picture... And it seems to be the same, I can see all of the things before... Or are we looking at the wrong picture?
MikeDubreuil
03-01-2007, 13:00
Hmmm... My friend and I just looked at the old picture and the new picture... And it seems to be the same, I can see all of the things before... Or are we looking at the wrong picture?
At the very least FIRST put a larger image up (http://www.usfirst.org/uploadedImages/Community/FRC/FRC_Documents_and_Updates/2007_assets/2007Clue1.jpg). The size changed from 600 x 449 to 800 x 600 pixels. With this change more details are showing up in the image.
I have noticed that the diamond plate disc is reflecting red and blue light.
j_howard61
03-01-2007, 13:38
I think Joe DiMaggio, or "the Yankee Clipper", was number five for the Yankees. But what does that have to do with anything?
Goober!!!
03-01-2007, 13:44
All I have to say is "Speed Racer"???:D :D :D
So maby the game has to deal a lot with speedness in the game?
Peter Matteson
03-01-2007, 14:03
I think Joe DiMaggio, or "the Yankee Clipper", was number five for the Yankees. But what does that have to do with anything?
I think a more likely guess in that vane of thinking would be third base.
Nawaid Ladak
03-01-2007, 14:08
Have they came out with the list of what etquitment we need to build the feild.
they usually release that information the week of kickoff
Hi,
Our team thinks we have an idea:
The five looks like it is from POOL ball.
The backround looks like water: Maybe a POOL as a clue for POOL balls?
Anyway, just an idea. :)
Have they came out with the list of what etquitment we need to build the feild.
they usually release that information the week of kickoff
The past few years, the parts list came out the thursday before kickoff, so in effect: maybe tomorrow.
Bill of Materials
This season, each team's decision regarding building field mockups may be a bit more complex than normal. The Game Design Committee feels
that an advance Bill of Materials (BOM) list might be misleading and cause some teams to buy more materials than they will likely use.
Please wait for a full set of field drawings and their lower cost equivalents to be released immediately following Kickoff. Knowing the nature of this year's challenge, you can more logically decide what to buy and build.
See you at Kickoff!
I agree that this may be an update, probably to sharpen certain things that hadn't popped out earlier. If so, there is the possibility that they would change other things as well, hiding a message in the picture. I would bet that they might use steganograpy (credit goes to Mazin). All of the links to the old picture are low, so if someone is sure that they have the original, please post it. That way we have both of them here to compare...
Attached; also uploaded to imageshack at this link (http://img68.imageshack.us/img68/1558/2007clue1jpgat8.jpg/).
Elgin Clock
03-01-2007, 17:24
The Diamond plate and the 5 seem recessed in a bowl shaped object. The diamond plate is obviously not see through so I can't tell if this object is a rolling goal but I do believe we have a goal on our hands.
Blue 5 pt goal, in the shape of a Volcano - on the real field made out of some poly resin material that is translucent blue and maybe more colors for more teams.
If I had a better rendering software.. and a premade crowd for refraction purposes, I could duplicate the picture exactly.. but.. this will have to do with just Solidworks and default textures.
My final guess. :]
Thanks for posting the original image. I used the Digital Invisible Ink Toolkit, located at http://diit.sourceforge.net/index.html. When comparing both smaller images, I found them to be identical. I have a little too much time on my hands... so I decided to keep experimenting...
I wanted to see what kind of difference encrypting "AIM HIGH" in the picture would make.
When I did this I had these results:
Results of benchmark tests
==========================
Average Absolute Difference: 4.6866898009652585E-4
Mean Squared Error: 6.082725060827251E-4
LpNorm: 3.0413625304136254E-4
Laplacian Mean Squared Error: 4.206612200901864E-6
Signal to Noise Ratio: 1.3982824224590164E8
Peak Signal to Noise Ratio: 5.85936396E8
Normalised Cross-Correlation: 0.9999989969072935
Correlation Quality: 126.60633961495463
This shows that the software is capable of finding very small changes in the image... and I decided to make one more attempt. I took the new high quality image, and resized it to match the one they released earlier, as the program requires the images to be the same size. Upon comparison, I had there results:
Results of benchmark tests
==========================
Average Absolute Difference: 15.601511706752822
Mean Squared Error: 756.6327031231303
LpNorm: 378.31635156156517
Laplacian Mean Squared Error: 2.111745474975075
Signal to Noise Ratio: 112.4107839655667
Peak Signal to Noise Ratio: 471.0462533919842
Normalised Cross-Correlation: 0.9982814866037124
Correlation Quality: 126.38889170404684
If you look at the Average Absolute Difference, this, along with most of the other values, is ORDERS OF MAGNITUDE greater than my "AIM HIGH" test. Now, I can't guarantee that my method of resizing the large image would match the method the GDC did, which would cause these differences. Also, if they chose to make 'minor adjustments' to the actual content of the image, that would create this kind of difference in the photo. I think that differences seen here are very high for a simple text message - it would have to be over 1000 characters long.
Regardless, I can tell you that small image and the large image are subtley different. Whether there was some touch-up going on, or if there is a message hidden in the background, I am unable to tell, but they are clearly different at some level.
Based on the way FIRST has treated the hint in the past, this image seems pretty different. My conscience still tells me that the 5 has something either to do with sports or entertainment.
There must be a variety of levels, or platforms, and like Johnny 5, there will be some mini-projectile involved. I was told by my teacher that something related to basketball may even be put in for this. Tubes may connect these platforms, and contain some substance which revolves around the field in those tubes, activating some switch in the current platforms it goes through.
Tottanka
03-01-2007, 18:20
This season, each team's decision regarding building field mockups may be a bit more complex than normal.
Oh my oh my oh my....
What am i supposed to be thinking NOW?!
Ok...
So that sure goes along with the water\fire balls shooting\volcano eruption on middle of the arena\Whatever theories that have been posted here, but lets get real...
I think that it means that there will be something heavy in the field, like a big platform of metal in the middle or something...
Maybe, it could mean that the fiels is a sort of RANDOM, meaning that there is some sort of spread, like someone mentioned before about bottles of H2O, though its not complicated if its random, as last year's arena was rantom too in a sort of way, the balls HAVE laid in random places, so its quiet the same...
And therefore, i think that the arena is going to be very complicated, and we are gonna need the whole arena to exersice our bot well, unlike last year when all we needed was to hang a Hoolah-Hoop to the window and nail the green light above it...
Oh boy Oh boy Oh boy...
3 and a half days to KickOff and i have already finished our website, what am i gonna do now in order to not stare at the clue 24/7 ?
ok in the enlarged version of the game hint located on the decrypted file ther eis definitely a banana in the background. even the stem is shown.
current speculations believe we will be climbing a diamond plate aluminum tree and picking bananas.
I can't help but see the ring around the diamond plate circle, and realize that it looks like the red/blue rings around the goal openings last year..
Here's what my sisters says (knows about FIRST, but only as that "thing her brother does", and hasn't ever been to a competition):
- it looks like a man hole cover
- shooting.. are you going to be shooting something?
- does it involve water?
- time: 50 seconds.
- tunnels/mazes
- a ramp? I always see ramps with that pattern on it (referring to the diamond plate)
- a course: ramps, corners, etc -- lots to do.
She pretty muched summed this whole thread up in about 5 seconds.
OOOOOOOOOO 5!!!!
this is the fifth year of them following the usfirst logo! this means cubez! eureka! hmm... well there is a theory on the 5.
Elgin's post (http://www.chiefdelphi.com/forums/showpost.php?p=547465&postcount=689) earlier in this thread [on the previous page, but if I don't link it you can't see the picture attached]..I looked at the picture..
doesn't it kind of look like a jello mold? hmmmmm.....
-dave (I am still holding out for the jello-based game)
just adding to some of the absurd ideas.....
hope that doesn't drive anyone insane, I just feel like throwing in a completely wacky $0.02.
Malenddruid
03-01-2007, 20:24
The 5 of diamonds seems to be a good little hint...Maybe playing cards with the robots or some sort of card game. Possibly Innertubes as one of our mentors said...maybe a strategy game of some sort...Ferdi also says there will be 5 platforms we will have to jump our robot from...Highly unlikely but that's Ferdi for ya! :P
1. balls: tennis, dodge, kick, playground, poof, soccer, etc..
2. Innertubes
3. floppies
4. tote boxes
5. tetras
There have only really been five unique game pieces. Are they all going to be present this year?
Nah.. no.. no way?
nO?
Nah..
He may be on to something with his idea of the five unique objects used in passed events reapearing in this years event. each object could be on a platform that total up to five in all.
John Gutmann
03-01-2007, 20:50
- a ramp? I always see ramps with that pattern on it (referring to the diamond plate)
That is because diamond plate is easy to grip....;)
underwood
03-01-2007, 20:51
does anyone else see ripples in the blue background? maybe we must float five manhole covers across a pool or something...
That is because diamond plate is easy to grip....;)
Would you like me to tell that to my sister?
does anyone else see ripples in the blue background? maybe we must float five manhole covers across a pool or something...
Float?!? that'd be quite a feat . . .:rolleyes: :)
I can guarantee it's nothing to do with water. I got an account for this just because of something I noticed in the picture that I don't think anyone has mentioned and thought you would all want to know. Maximize the picture after clicking on it and look very closely and look at the background very closely at the far right side near the center. What do you see? That's right, faces. Cartoon faces in a crowd, which points out many things. This is most likely a screenshot from the instructional video they are going to show saturday, whatever this object is it is upright and see-through, as well as quite large and circular judging from the size and distortion of the faces. You can also spot faces faintly in the top left corner suggesting that the object is towards the middle of the field since it is visible from such different angles. The rest is just speculation, but I'm guessing it is a large hollow goal or basket of some sort as opposed to an inner tube because i doubt an inner tube or anything inflatable would have diamond plate holstered to it. Another guess is that this is one of five near identical objects, or that there are a different number of these and the five is a point value. Does most of this sound at least somewhat plausible?
mtaman02
03-01-2007, 21:38
I can guarantee it's nothing to do with water. I got an account for this just because of something I noticed in the picture that I don't think anyone has mentioned and thought you would all want to know. Maximize the picture after clicking on it and look very closely and look at the background very closely at the far right side near the center. What do you see? That's right, faces. Cartoon faces in a crowd, which points out many things. This is most likely a screenshot from the instructional video they are going to show saturday, whatever this object is it is upright and see-through, as well as quite large and circular judging from the size and distortion of the faces. You can also spot faces faintly in the top left corner suggesting that the object is towards the middle of the field since it is visible from such different angles. The rest is just speculation, but I'm guessing it is a large hollow goal or basket of some sort as opposed to an inner tube because i doubt an inner tube or anything inflatable would have diamond plate holstered to it. Another guess is that this is one of five near identical objects, or that there are a different number of these and the five is a point value. Does most of this sound at least somewhat plausible?
Yeah that actually does. Rep Points if you hit the nail on the head - only one way to find out T-1 Day 21 Hours 20 Minutes
Has anyone thought about 5 vs 5? The field would have to be really big or really empty but someone mentioned basketball and thats what made me think of this.
Elgin Clock
03-01-2007, 21:48
This kind of looks like a banana.
http://www.bluefinrobotics.com/index.htm
Ya know.. just saying. :eek:
Ok that was a joke..
But.. I'm not giving up on my volcano idea.
In fact, I had a crazy thought.
Who remembers the tv show American Gladiators?
What about the game Atlasphere?
See what the goal of it is??
It was to seat a large ball in a volcano type platform for points.
Sounds good to me.
http://images.google.com/images?q=tbn:xost_ldQjm4xSM:http://www.hey-guess-what.com/images/atlasphere.jpg
http://images.google.com/images?q=tbn:Jy21LoGjgqiSKM:http://www.slbs.net/images/gladiatorball.gif
http://img240.echo.cx/img240/8652/atlasphere7jo.jpg
Get what I'm saying?? :D
Ya know.. kinda like a large Golden Ball inspired by Google (http://www.chiefdelphi.com/forums/showthread.php?t=46957&highlight=google+ball)?
well dave is at it again....
Just out of curiosity, what is the spacing between the wheel sets? Is it sufficient to cross a 20-inch wide, 16-inch deep, water-filled moat, should that capability ever be necessary?
Rich Cooper
04-01-2007, 00:57
what's in the clue?
I've attached 2 pictures one of the original clue with the tone levels adjusted.
three areas of the picture were processed differently :
the "5" was lightened to bring out the diamond pate bumps showing through
the diamond plate was left original
the background was enhanced to bring the rather compressed range of data on the three (RGB) channels to full scale
A) in the original it look like we're looking through a blue filter that has been distorted by the diamond plate
what we see behind the diamond plate looks like
B) a large ball in the center foreground
C)in the lower left it looks like a smaller ball ( this could be a head but I think that is just jpg aliasing with the filter warp )
D)on the right hand side it looks like the edge of the playing field with another line for the edge of the crowd seating
E) above the ball there are three bands that could be large rings or hanging slings
F) between the bands we can see heads of the crowd on the right they are oriented vertically but in the upper left they are distorted to be tilted counter-clockwise whereas in the upper right they are distorted to be tilted clockwise
the second jpg is a guess of the picture with the diamond plate and the blue of the filter removed
What about the Diamond plate? First likes obscure clues. Others
have suggested a baseball theme. I will push that a little further.
diamond plate - diamond could both suggest baseball but also more specifically the diamondbacks - a 5 covering the plate would suggest the catcher
#5 for the Arizona Diamondbacks is Robbie Hammock who's historical contribution to the history of baseball is that he caught #51 - Randy Johnson's (the Big Unit) Perfect Game ( the 17th in MLB ) in Atlanta on 5/18/2004
odds and ends: the 12 diamond repeats across the circle => 18" circle
the "5" font is bold arial
What's it mean?
Game Name - "the Perfect Game"
Game pieces - large and small balls
Goals - rings or hanging slings ( Hammocks )
field - 4 goals at center of each side + one center of field ( 3 line up as in picture) center of field raised diamond plate platform ( pitchers mound )
BLUE and RED Lights above goals to say which are active for scoring for either team ( from Blue filter )
other - if the diamond plate - "manhole cover" is hanging vertically as in the picture it could be used to toggle the lights on the goals
MPblankie
04-01-2007, 02:00
I haven't read through all of these comments but I am really agreeing with the few people that suggest that it relates to the home plate in baseball. Baseball diamond...5 sided home plate. I think this is key when you consider how previous clues relate to sports. I.E. the triple play clue.
I also have been waiting for FIRST to use smaller balls in the baseball or tennis ball size range. I don't know if they have used them in the past but in my history they haven't. I think this would be a neat eliment. I am tired of the kickball sized balls.
I also think people are looking way to deeply into the colors and background. Past clues are usually tricky but easy to figure out by simply typing in the clue in to google.
SPARKY1688
04-01-2007, 02:28
I am just throwing this out in the open but what if the shape of the field maybe changes this year maybe a circle, or a triangle?
Caleb A.
04-01-2007, 03:51
Here's what i am thinking, since a water game could present expensive problems, what if FIRST decided to use a gamefield wall made out of some sort of light distorting material, kind of like a funhouse mirror. When you look thru it you would see what would resemble looking into water; a distorted, wavy image. This would hinge on the game being water based and this is just a guess, looks like we will find out come Saturday ;)
Aerogel! That's it! The entire field will be covered in a thick mat of the stuff!
American Galdiator styled game would be awsome.
Sindegen
04-01-2007, 11:24
Hey guys... Quick thing I just found out... I was just trying to be dumb but I actually found something. And it rgards the fish.
I was on google, and I was looking at diamondbacks and all that came up was about the MLB league. Then to be an idiot I searched diamondfish (not knowing that there was actually a diamond fish). Well I came across a Monodactylus argenteus or diamond fish, and I came across something else. It also "supposedly" shines a bunch of colors of the rainbow (not like that matters). But then what are some colors of the rainbow? Blue, Yellow, Red,Green, and maybe purple? But I just found it ironic that this search turned out to be the two team colors, the color all the robots go after, and I suppose the yellow that I have read on some posts they have seen as well. I wouldn't be so sure about the purple though.
JaneYoung
04-01-2007, 11:28
I wouldn't be so sure about the purple though.
I can vouch for purple, it is a very nice color.:D
cgredalertcc
04-01-2007, 12:14
I have given up guessing at this point it is such a vague clue the challenge could be almost anything. I'm content waiting till saturday, though if dave wanted to give us a little clearer hint I wouldn't mind taking a look.
Oh well.
ElectronJohn
04-01-2007, 12:29
Just joined Chief Delphi.
I have been reading through this thread and discussing things with my Coworker. (We are both mentors for the local team here in Pocatello, Idaho. Team 1569)
Here is our SWAG (Scientific Wild A** Guess) at what the clue is: The picture is a clip out of a digital video presentation. We (the viewers) are looking straight down on a scoring platform that is worth 5 points. Guessing on the "diamond" spacing, the plate appears to be about 20 some-odd inches in diameter. The swirled colored background is simply an artifact of the FIRST video show background.
Conclusions:
1) I would agree with the "Gimme 5" title.
2) The picture is of an actual scoring platform. Which makes it too small for robots to climb on.
3) This is one of many platforms at various heights and diameters for which scoring objects are placed upon. Lower, larger platforms are worth less points.
4) In keeping with FIRST symbols, the square is due this year - so the game pieces are likely cubic in nature.
5) Also, in keeping with FIRST, the 5 point platform may be the most elevated - 6 or 7 feet.
6) Game pieces are relatively small and must be widely available. My guess here is a little mini-milk crate organizer sold at WalMart. Other small cubic organizer containers would probably work too. Two colors would be used - one for each alliance.
7) The contest is to load as many square storage containers onto a platform as possible. The higher and more difficult platforms are the most difficult.
8) The playing field has traditionally been quite simple in its construction, so I bet this year's contest will not be exotic in the field elements.
Or - Maybe the clue is the "lid" of a cone shaped bin. Different heights of cones have different points. There are ports just underneath the lids that allow small cubic storage containers to be placed inside. Each opening is surrounded by a "target" color for the cameras to home in on.
Just my thoughts
EJ
Vince lau
04-01-2007, 13:48
isn't this FIRST 15th year? 1992-2007... maybe the game will be a 15th year special.. with 5 different ways to score. thats why they didn't give us and an advance BOM. so what have the best 5 game pieces been?
Tetra from triple play, bin from stack attack, floppie?, inner tube?
My (very) conservative guesses about this year's game:
- 3 vs. 3
- Playing field is rectangular and approximately the same size as usual
- Camera is here to stay, possibly tracking multiple colors
- Game element is something you build (i.e., tetras), not something you buy (poof balls). Great for us international teams ;)
Confidence level: 87,5% :p
If you look at the background you can see pictures.
You might have to invert the color in Paint first.
Brice Brenneman
04-01-2007, 15:08
Possibly 5 is the number of rotations a robot must do before/after scoring or to score. Or, and I'm just throwing ideas out here, the number five on the diamond plate disc may mean that there are five areas in which a team/robot can score from and instead of the traditional flooring the "scoring areas" are diamond plated. But this is my first year on a FIRST team so I don't have any great information to base it on. :D
Sindegen
04-01-2007, 15:25
Hmmm... Here are my thoughts on the matter of the game.
1) I believe there will be 2 platforms, one for each alliance. Each alliance consisting of 3 teams.
2) Each platform has 5 diamond plated "steps" that lead up to a rather large tube. The tube extends from the top of the platform to the bottom.
3) The game piece I feel will be either something made from PVC maybe like a capsule of some sort, or poof balls like Aim High. The game piece will be 2 colors, red and blue.
4) Each capsule dropped through the tube from the top of the platform will be worth 3 points. For each "opposing alliance" game piece is in the tube or in the corner goals are maybe a subtraction of points?
5) The human player is able to load the robots with the game piece. Or even shoot into the tube possibly to score some points or even take away.
6) To score 1 point you need to put the game piece in a different area other than the tube at the top of the platform. Maybe these will be located at the corners of the field?
7) For bonus points at the end is maybe dependant on the placement of robots on the "steps"? Maybe the first step is worth 5 the second 10 the third 15, etc. etc.
8) I can't figure out autonomous mode...
I don't know, I just spewed out some thoughts. I just got a headache from thinking and decided to say what I was thinking.
Dianna Bartone
04-01-2007, 15:39
You know, I was thinking about the whole "squish meets squash, rise and wash" quote, when I had a thought. "Squish meets squash" makes me think of two things colliding, and "rise and wash" makes me think of said things recoiling from the impact, and possibly getting splashed. When I put those together, I got... BUMPER BOATS! Now that could be interesting, but I'm not sure how it would play as a FIRST game, but still, it could be fun...
Can anyone tell me for sure where the whole 'squish meets squash' quote originated, because I'm having some trouble finding information to back it up...
If it has any merit, I think I might have found something possibly (emphasis on the possibly) relevent. On the TV show Numb3rs (which I've never seen) they used something called a squish-squash algorithm which makes me very scared, lest the same concept be used in the game...:eek:
In the 2005 May 6 episode, "Noisy Edge," lots of folks in Los Angeles see a glowing-white aircraft that doesn't appear on any of seven military or civilian radar tracking systems. Charlie analyses the recorded radar returns with a "squish/squash" noise-reduction algorithm that not only tracks the aircraft their systems could not see but forms a photographic image of the aircraft clear enough [3] to identify who designed it. This is not some outside-the-box mathematical insight: These radar systems are designed by smart electrical engineers for the sole purpose of resolving locations of aircraft, with the best noise-reduction, image-resolving power their smartest engineers can muster. So any squishing and squashing that can see more airplanes would already be built into these sophisticated detection systems. -Adam N. Rosenberg on his website
Here's the link to the page where the quote came from: http://the-adam.dyndns.org:2069/adam/numb3rs/two.htm
I can really tell that this game clue is driving everyone here crazy because 1 year ago today there less then 600 posts in the 2006 Game hint thread and as of right now there are over 720 in this one.
Josh Goodman
04-01-2007, 15:55
What I think is hilarious is people don't decide to read the posts before they post, so we're right back at the beginning! YEAY!!!:yikes:
Maybe there is 5 human players this year that have to stand on diamond plated sensors, I don't know why that would be true or for what type of game but I can't wait to find out.
Don Wright
04-01-2007, 16:39
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dlgiritpmfo
I predict we'll be seeing the GDC wearing powder blue tuxedos and singing this song at kickoff.
Anybody see the four different colored lights in the background of the video?
nuggetsyl
04-01-2007, 17:13
5 stands for the number of places a team can score.
Anybody see the four different colored lights in the background of the video?
I did, although it might just be irrelevant.
I did, although it might just be irrelevant.
i dont c lights but ive seen alot of other things in the pic like faces a fish ripples from the steal plate. of course the number five any relavance there?:ahh:
StephLee
04-01-2007, 18:11
Twenty-two posts left until this year's thread has more than last year's clue discussion. And we have all day tomorrow yet! ;)
Tottanka
04-01-2007, 18:12
Anybody see the four different colored lights in the background of the video?
Yea, and there are 4 of them...
Red, Blue. Green and Yellow
Meaning that in different voulmes of each color it can actually create avery colo(u)r, and that Yellow is just used to lighten it up, and spot on a specif person every one and then...
ButTo be honest, it really has nothing to do with the game...i'd bet my Victor 884 on that...
Twenty-two posts left until this year's thread has more than last year's clue discussion. And we have all day tomorrow yet! ;)
Hey' dont forget the 200 posts after the kick-off that will try to explain what the clue was hinting about in this game...
There still is no good explanation for "5 bots tangling in pasta", and i am not happy with the one saying there are 5 bots playing not including the back bot...cause back bot beeing a backbot plays to, and its very important to collect poofs or whatever...
so...i wanna get till 1000 posts, and the 1000 post, is MINE.
muhahahahahaha
OK!
Here is a concept!
5 circular pools of water with a diamond plate in the middle. Think of a duck tank at the fair Fishing with nets for floating fishes that must be picked up and placed on the center diamond plate for points. Different colored lights will highlight scoring rings or maybe the fishing objects themselves will have lights on them. Pick up the wrong objects, your opponents will score.
Just one more abstract opinion. Come on Saturday!
5 bots tangling in pasta
==
5 robots (3 offensive, 2 defensive) bumping pool noodles (i.e. bumpers)
There most likely not be water in the game so quit thinking that there will be water people. water could damage robots and the buildings that the events are held in.
umm maybe im just hallucinating but twhen the clue is maximized i definitely see a outline forming from the wrinkles in blue. looks sort of liek the outrline of a butterfly.
burkey_turkey
04-01-2007, 20:11
i still think that one thing i can say fairly positively is that there will be steps this year. The outlines in the blue around the diamond clearly suggest something like that, and FIRST likes steps and we have had relatively flat fields the last two years. i think we are overdue for steps, and if we dont have them this year we should definitely have them next year so some time in that 4 year cycle the team has the challenge of steps.
StephLee
04-01-2007, 20:14
i still think that one thing i can say fairly positively is that there will be steps this year. The outlines in the blue around the diamond clearly suggest something like that, and FIRST likes steps and we have had relatively flat fields the last two years. i think we are overdue for steps, and if we dont have them this year we should definitely have them next year so some time in that 4 year cycle the team has the challenge of steps.
Possibly...five steps? In a pyramid? With a platform on top where you score round, relatively flat scoring objects?
didnt read the whole thread, but did anyone think it might be checkers?
didnt read the whole thread, but did anyone think it might be checkers?
Anything's possible.......care to share your reasoning though?
Xenozero
04-01-2007, 22:40
Ok heres my idea, actually partially my fathers.
It could possibly be around chinese checkers. Heres why. On a chinese checkers board thers a five point star surounded by a circle (each point with their own area or goal). This could suggest that there are five areas to store (put, throw, roll, slide,) game peices into. As for the amount of robots on the feild that has to be 4 robots in a two on two match style with red and blue teams. There will be five goals, 2 on each side with one in the center, and the two teams will fight for surpremacy of the feild (just like tetra attack). This is suggested by they diamonds in the pucture (a four sided figure). The team with the most game peices in a single goal wins supremacy of the goal.
JamesBrown
04-01-2007, 23:32
Ok heres my idea, actually partially my fathers.
It could possibly be around chinese checkers. Heres why. On a chinese checkers board thers a five point star surounded by a circle (each point with their own area or goal). This could suggest that there are five areas to store (put, throw, roll, slide,) game peices into. As for the amount of robots on the feild that has to be 4 robots in a two on two match style with red and blue teams. There will be five goals, 2 on each side with one in the center, and the two teams will fight for surpremacy of the feild (just like tetra attack). This is suggested by they diamonds in the pucture (a four sided figure). The team with the most game peices in a single goal wins supremacy of the goal.
I think it is a 6 point star in chinese checkers
see the link
http://www.woodentoys-uk.co.uk/images/H%20games/H3I%20chinese%20checkers_small.jpg
Tottanka
04-01-2007, 23:40
You are talking about a David Shield here...
I knew DAve would show his jewsih roots on FRC too =]
Ammonium
05-01-2007, 00:08
5 in french is cinq, and in spanish is cinco, which sound kind of like sink and sank respectively. Maybe there will be a pool with a floating diamond plate platform that we have to place something on to make it sink to score points.
water is bad please don't think of water. if any electrons get wet you would end up shortcircuting your robot witch could hurt someone who doesn't know that it has shortcircuted.
http://www.thegreenteam885.org/clue%20outline2.jpg
look in the bottom right, i circled what looks to be a butterfly or something.....i have no idea what the gome is but i found this cool
/forest
http://i113.photobucket.com/albums/n229/animeslave/clue20outline3.jpg
look in the black circle there are faces!:eek:
Elgin Clock
05-01-2007, 00:42
Possibly...five steps? In a pyramid? With a platform on top where you score round, relatively flat scoring objects?
Hmm.. original thought:
Kinda like 5 a day?? (http://www.neatsolutions.com/images/Bulletin_Brds/my_pyramid_chart.jpg)(with a banana) lol
New thought:
http://www.apsltd.com/Tree/d87000/e84969.asp
Kind of looks like some of the shapes in the animation frame.
I wonder if they can take custom orders for blue ones? ;)
I do thing the backround is a distorted picture of the playing field... or at least that is what it looks like to me
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