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No this isnt a joke the hint was posted today. Here it is:
heres the link:
http://www.usfirst.org/community/frc/content.aspx?id=3720
Its disappointing though...
rees2001
21-12-2006, 09:48
What kind of hint in 5?
mtaman02
21-12-2006, 09:49
Hrm A Number 5 on Diamond Plate Backing. Against a Blue Background maybe the number of teams in scoring position, number of scoring positions, number of socing items, number of teams that are allowed to play at once hence the back bot in '06
It could also refer to how many wheels the robot must have
Rosiebotboss
21-12-2006, 09:52
Here you go.........just out.
Greetings Teams:
The Game Design Committee is pleased to provide you with the following game clue at http://www.usfirst.org/community/frc/content.aspx?id=3720
We wish you all a Happy Holiday Season and look forward to seeing you at Kickoff.
Go Teams!
Maybe it is the 5 of diamonds. Part of a card game. Stack the cards and build up your score. I could be that as lights change color then there would be some kind of shuffle.
Also could mean 5 manhole covers. HMMMMMMMMM
you are a little late, there is already a thread for this, sorry
Rich Wong
21-12-2006, 09:55
Here you go.........just out.
Greetings Teams:
The Game Design Committee is pleased to provide you with the following game clue at http://www.usfirst.org/community/frc/content.aspx?id=3720
We wish you all a Happy Holiday Season and look forward to seeing you at Kickoff.
Go Teams!
The word: 5
:confused:
It looks like a manhole cover! I beat there is a 4, 3, 2, and 1!
I did think that the background looked like a light
Andrew Schuetze
21-12-2006, 09:58
What no Rock n Roll lyrics to decipher or wondering metafors in the clue, just a number on a simple background:confused:
I've got nothing:ahh:
If you save the picture as a file the filename is 2007Clue1.jpg. Could we perchance get more??
Mannie
Billfred
21-12-2006, 09:59
Note to self: if 1293--D5 Robotics, mind you--doesn't pounce on this one...
Just for reference, I tried to get some technical details on the photo, perhaps some EXIF data. I found nothing in iPhoto and OS X's File Info panel, so it seems they've covered their tracks that way.
anna~marie
21-12-2006, 09:59
Crazy.
Maybe it is saying that there will be five lights of each color on the field and these are the game pieces. They are numbered and each has to do something different. Or, they could be worth different points and that is what the number represents.
Here's the pic to keep it in the thread....
http://www.usfirst.org/uploadedImages/Community/FRC/Assets/2007Clue1.jpg
Gary Dillard
21-12-2006, 10:01
That sure looks like water in the background :)
mtaman02
21-12-2006, 10:02
If you save the picture as a file the filename is 2007Clue1.jpg. Could we perchance get more??
Mannie
Not Necessarily maybe the game design committee had to vote on which one gets sent out to drive teams nuts before the holiday season.
It could also be part of a Countdown like what they usually have during their Power Point Presnetation of Sponsors during Kickoff
Rosiebotboss
21-12-2006, 10:02
You guys are quick.
The time stamp on the email I got directly from FIRST was 9:50:03.
The other CD posting time stamp was 9:46.
How'd THAT happen??
You guys are quick.
The time stamp on the email I got directly from FIRST was 9:50:03.
The other CD posting time stamp was 9:46.
How'd THAT happen??
Maybe that is another part of the clue, time travel!!!!!
JaneYoung
21-12-2006, 10:05
I think I need a bigger cup of coffee....
5 sided something or other?
Rosiebotboss
21-12-2006, 10:05
Maybe the word "five".
Maybe the playing pieces are diamond is shape.
Maybe there are 5 lights..........
Maybe it is the 5 of diamonds. Part of a card game. Stack the cards and build up your score. Maybe there are 4 teams to an alliance and a fifth WILD CARD team that could go back and forth! (what kind of strategy would THAT bring about???)
King of the Hill !!
The most literal translation of the hint could be....
A large circular raised platform in the center of the field whose surface is diamond plate. 5 bots can fit on it.
the background looks like the same that has been used in kickoff presentations before.
It looks kinda like the diamond plate is surrounded by stairs, like the kind into a pool, not that it would be in a pool, after all water is probably not an option.
I think you all know the kind of stairs I mean, drain a pool and you can probably see them. There is one step between the Diamond plate, and the edge of the picture.
MikeDubreuil
21-12-2006, 10:17
To me the image looks oddly cropped. Notice the amount of disc visible on the top and bottom are different- asymmetrical.
1. The fact the disc is asymmetrical might be a clue about the game.
2. Combined with the file name this might indicate a bad crop job and more clue images to follow.
It looks kinda like the diamond plate is surrounded by stairs, like the kind into a pool, not that it would be in a pool, after all water is probably not an option.
I think you all know the kind of stairs I mean, drain a pool and you can probably see them. There is one step between the Diamond plate, and the edge of the picture.
the water could just be a reference to pool lining. maybe the flooring will be made of this instead of carpet this year or something else similar
Does it mean anything that the top of the circle is cut off in the picture? So, it is really a complete circle or does it have a flat top?
Raul
Cody Carey
21-12-2006, 10:18
yep, no EXIF, and I tried about 4 different programs to find some...
Man, circular diamond plate would be VERY awkward as a field element/scoring peice.
Is that background abstract design, or a colorized picture?
Remember the history with these hints and baseball.
Who is a famouse #5 and what did he do?
Maybe that is another part of the clue, time travel!!!!!
Its not time travel Im just good like that:D
Rich Wong
21-12-2006, 10:20
King of the Hill !!
The most literal translation of the hint could be....
A large circular raised platform in the center of the field whose surface is diamond plate. 5 bots can fit on it.
the background looks like the same that has been used in kickoff presentations before.
Very true, #5 on heavy gauge diamond plate only means the robots will be standing on it.
There could be a #4, #3, #2 and #1 round plate at different heights.
:yikes:
That's sort of where I was going Dana, but follow this (especially with water).
2 alliances. In the center of the field is a diamond-shaped tank/pool filled with water (puncture resistant, spill resistant, etc). Floating on top of the water are 5 scoring plates. The bots have to collect items and place them on the plates that are floating on the water. Different colored items placed on the floating plates score different points. Other bots can knock them off, etc. Get all 5 plates holding one of your colors for a bonus.
How's that for ridiculous?
Mannie
Remember the history with these hints and baseball.
Who is a famouse #5 and what did he do?
Johnny Bench, played catcher (my idol from grade school)
Rob2713g
21-12-2006, 10:25
My (really wrong) guess:
There is a step up to a platform. Then there is a circular hole countersunk into the platform (it would be too much work to make the entire field raised). In the hole are multiple colored pieces of cut pool noodles and the robot has to retrieve the green one (think unripe banana). The five means there are 5 different scoring objectives (including objects and location of robot at end of match). Also there are probably multiple platforms so that a single team can't immediately take control.
Or possibly it means capture the flag.
That's a lot of posts in this thread in a short period of time!
5 teams per alliance! 10 robots on the field! Whoo hoo! :p
Eric W. Jones
21-12-2006, 10:27
That's a lot of posts in a short period of time!
expect a lot more. It's the official hint!
The kiddie pool I bought from Wal-Mart this summer has a diamondplate bottom (it was made of plastic) AND steps to an awesome slide...
Johnny Bench, played catcher (my idol from grade school)
Joe DiMaggio was #5
He has a 56-consecutive-game hitting streak in 1941 . Was nicknamed "The Yankee Clipper"
MAteo9944
21-12-2006, 10:35
Remember the history with these hints and baseball.
Who is a famous #5 and what did he do?
Going off of obscure baseball references here (just adding to insanity).
"In baseball, five represents the third baseman's position." -Wikipedia
Then read this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Third_baseman
Think off all of the wonderful stuff you could pull out of that.:yikes:
The hounds have been released and the madness begins!
More sleepless nights to follow.........................:yikes:
Rob2713g
21-12-2006, 10:38
Going off of obscure baseball references here (just adding to insanity).
"In baseball, five represents the third baseman's position." -Wikipedia
Then read this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Third_baseman
Think off all of the wonderful stuff you could pull out of that.:yikes:
Diamond plate could stand for the 3rd baseman's 3rd plate.
If you look at the blue it looks like it is all going/sliding into the plate.
edit: instead of ending up on the ramp at the end like in Aim High, you may need to end on bases (6 robots, but only 5 bases).
Eric W. Jones
21-12-2006, 10:40
Could baseball bases have anything to do with the game, like with scoring items?
What if the game is loosely based off of baseball? (pun not intended) "Aim high" was kind of similar to basketball and soccer, in some respects.
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On a different note, in the song, "The Twelve Days of Christmas," the fifth day's gift were "five golden rings." Maybe the game involves hoola hoops! :yikes:
JohnBoucher
21-12-2006, 10:42
Santa Came Early... Thanks GDC
JaneYoung
21-12-2006, 10:43
Thank you very much, FIRST and GDC
*sigh, sigh, relief*
Jane
Joe Matt
21-12-2006, 10:43
My mom and I looked at the hint and we both agree, it looks kinda like a manhole cover...
JaneYoung
21-12-2006, 10:46
My mom and I looked at the hint and we both agree, it looks kinda like a manhole cover...
..and just where would that put the human player? (joking - I think)
Maybe we're playing on 5 pound hockey pucks made of diamond plate, or maybe we're finally doing a water game!
Or... maybe we have to stack 5 round pieces of diamond plate. Or maybe theres 5 different colors of diamond plate that you have to be able to find with the camera, of maybe theres 5 different color goals.
-Q
Now there's a man you'll hear about
Most anywhere you go
And his holdings are in Texas
And his name is Diamond Joe
And he carries all his money
In a diamond-studded jar
He never took much trouble
With the process of the law
I hired out to Diamond Joe, boys
Did offer him my hand
He gave a string of horses
So old they could not stand
And I nearly starved to death, boys
He did mistreat me so
And I never saved a dollar
In the pay of Diamond Joe
Now his bread it was corn dodger
And his meat you couldn't chaw
Nearly drove me crazy
With the waggin' of his jaw
And the tellin' of his story
Mean to let you know
That there never was a rounder
That could lie like Diamond Joe
Now, I tried three times to quit him
But he did argue so
I'm still punchin' cattle
In the pay of Diamond Joe
And when I'm called up yonder
And it's my time to go
Give my blankets to my buddies
Give the fleas to Diamond Joe
Sam.... its a nice poem...
BUT I'M REALLY REALLY CONFUSED!!! :yikes:
-Q
Michael Leicht
21-12-2006, 10:56
The Five has is for the number of sides for the field element, the diamond plate mean a field element cause in the past they have been diamond plated. so type of goal that is a pentagon is my guess. plus the diamond plate is a circle so we have balls again this year. but this guess is as useless as trying to pull a goal away from 71 the Beast in 2002.
artdutra04
21-12-2006, 10:57
It's quite obvious: this picture is a screenshot from a video. ;)
The aspect ratio of the picture is a perfect 4:3 ratio, in addition this would explain the absence of EXIF data. (I just tested this theory, by Print-Screening my desktop and saving it as a JPEG in Photoshop. When I then opened the file and looked at the EXIF data, it was empty, just like this clue.)
Also, if you look at the picture it looks like a captured frame from a rendered animation/Flash video that was shrunk down to minimize the graininess from the video compression. :p
hmm.. I remember last year had a five as well.. as a matter of course, I'm hoping we won't have the same game again.
Anyway, I like the Five of diamonds idea.. because then the joker in cards would tie into the whole clown idea presented a while back..
Also, a "circle of five?" I don't know what that would mean.
If you flip over a five you get a two: 2 vs 2? 2 vs. 2 vs. 2?
I have no idea.
Rich Kressly
21-12-2006, 10:57
thank goodness ...
the build season has finally been cut down to five weeks...
and we only need to build a 5-pound robot...
and we only get to use five parts from the kit...
and...
:ahh:
It's quite obvious: this picture is a screenshot from a video. ;)
The aspect ratio of the picture is a perfect 4:3 ratio, in addition this would explain the absence of EXIF data. (I just tested this theory, by Print-Screening my desktop and saving it as a JPEG in Photoshop. When I then opened the file and looked at the EXIF data, it was empty, just like this clue.)
Also, if you look at the picture it looks like a captured frame from a rendered animation/Flash video that was shrunk down to minimize the graininess from the video compression. :p
So what's the game next year, then?
Virtual Bash?
Eric W. Jones
21-12-2006, 10:59
The Five has is for the number of sides for the field element.
So we're playing in a pentagon this year? If there are five robots on the field at one time, then that would make sense.
The diamond plate is in the center of the picture. Could that mean it's a "king of the hill" type of game? (I do know it's already been said, but that would make sense if there were no alliances this year)
Maybe the five stands for the number of rounds that will be played this year.
Steve Howland
21-12-2006, 10:59
What if it means....5 WEEKS!?!:ahh: :ahh: :ahh:
neilsonster
21-12-2006, 11:00
I think it has to do with either a 5-sided game piece or 5 platforms. If it were platforms.. the blue background could mean they are mobile (like floating in water - except they would just be on rollers or something)... I agree with Art though, this does look like it's a screen shot of either something bigger, or from a video.
Whatever it ends up being, we'll be playing the game to Bob Dylan music, apparently!
What if it means....5 WEEKS!?!:ahh: :ahh: :ahh:
or... 500LB WEIGHT LIMIT???? :yikes:
-q
Michael Leicht
21-12-2006, 11:05
does anything know anything about the phrase "five by five"?
another guess is the five has to do with the name of the game.
like triple play, aim high, or first frenzy raising the bar, stack attack, zone zeal.
this might relate to the name of the game which relates to the actions in the game.
Michael Hill
21-12-2006, 11:05
Well...the "5" in the Picture is the font Helvetica Extended....if that matters any.
Eric W. Jones
21-12-2006, 11:05
or... 500LB WEIGHT LIMIT???? :yikes:
-q
We'd need a forklift! :yikes:
diamond plate = baseball diamond? baseball home plate = 5 sides
dshinton
21-12-2006, 11:06
how about 5 robots per session. 2 on one alliance, 2 on another, and a "rogue" robot?:D
One thing I remember (that I don't know the relevance of) is that the purple balls from 2004 had a big 5 written on them, much like is written on this diamond plate circle.
A pyramid has five sides? A star can be made with five diamonds.
Whoa what if they went all UFC-like and made the field a pentagon... that would be cool!
Michael Leicht
21-12-2006, 11:09
Does Diamond Plate Rust underwater?
Spider-Man
21-12-2006, 11:09
There are five infielders in a baseball diamond: catcher, 3 basemen, shortstop.
Billfred
21-12-2006, 11:10
Whoa what if they went all UFC-like and made the field a pentagon... that would be cool!Except the UFC ring is an octagon. Professional wrestling doesn't help here, either--TNA uses a six-sided ring, while WWE (and most other promotions) use a four-sided ring.
Perhaps this is the dramatic return of the Puck? It's one of the more talked-about field elements in FIRST history, and very few people in FIRST today were around back then.
Jessica Boucher
21-12-2006, 11:11
Various uses of the number "5":
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/5_%28disambiguation%29
I want a game hint in pentameter this year!!!
My personal favorite: 2 + 2 = 5, which is a 1984 reference.
Cody Carey
21-12-2006, 11:12
Whoa what if they went all UFC-like and made the field a pentagon... that would be cool!
This would be cool, but only if FIRST allowed elbows :)
Anyway... 5 robots on the field in a free for all. The scoring pieces are the diamond plate circles, and the playing field remains the same dimensions as in previous years.
Rob2713g
21-12-2006, 11:12
Perhaps this is the dramatic return of the Puck? It's one of the more talked-about field elements in FIRST history, and very few people in FIRST today were around back then.
What was the puck?
5 different scoring zones, each slightly different. The 5th zone will have a diamond plate floor/platform, will be circular, and will have a blue light for camera tracking.
Cody Carey
21-12-2006, 11:13
Does Diamond Plate Rust underwater?
Not if it is aluminum.
Michael Leicht
21-12-2006, 11:13
I give up Because a picture is worth a thousand words. probly a million now with the internet and all
What was the puck?
They had it as a scoring object in I think 1999, it was a moving platform that you got points for being on at the end of the match.
Various uses of the number "5":
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/5_%28disambiguation%29
I want a game hint in pentameter this year!!!
My personal favorite: 2 + 2 = 5, which is a 1984 reference.
2 + 2 = 5, succinct and vivid representation of an illogical statement
^-- That's a good one.
5: The number of oceans in the world.
Josh Murphy
21-12-2006, 11:15
Maybe the playing pieces are pentagons this year???:confused:
Cody Carey
21-12-2006, 11:16
Do they make steel Krispy Kremes?
BanksKid
21-12-2006, 11:17
i got nothing. :(
Michael Hill
21-12-2006, 11:18
Also, it is a normal 366x274x3 jpg matrix...so no hidden layers there. Also, I don't see any embedded .zip files (which is something cool you can do...embedding files in a jpg.)
s_forbes
21-12-2006, 11:19
Does anybody else see a lawn on the right side of the picture (in the blue)? Maybe it's just me, but it looks like a lawn in front of a building with a curb and a tree.
Michael Hill
21-12-2006, 11:20
*Takes of glasses*
My God...this is obviously a hint at a water game. Would FIRST really give us what we want?
ewankoff
21-12-2006, 11:20
it sort of looks like the fantastic 4 logo but with a 5...
i got nothing else:confused:
Jeff Rodriguez
21-12-2006, 11:21
5 second autonomous.
Rob2713g
21-12-2006, 11:21
Sanddrag earlier stated he saw this also on the FIRST site: Where squish meets squash, rise and wash.
The 5 picture was originally up and taken down yesterday, could this be a clue that FIRST plans on releasing later.
cheif039
21-12-2006, 11:30
Does anyone else see that the five is just slightly transparent or is my computer screen just that dirty?:yikes:
Billfred
21-12-2006, 11:32
Sanddrag earlier stated he saw this also on the FIRST site:
The 5 picture was originally up and taken down yesterday, could this be a clue that FIRST plans on releasing later.This one's for real--FIRST sent an email blast about it and everything.
Does anyone else see that the five is just slightly transparent or is my computer screen just that dirty?:yikes:I can see the texture of the diamond plate through the 5, if that's what you mean.
cheif039
21-12-2006, 11:33
yea the texture of the diamond plating coming through is what i ment so it could mean the five is painted on or done in a glazed or colored plexi perhaps?
BanksKid
21-12-2006, 11:33
ive been thinking that it is water but for some reason i cant grasp FIRST actually doing it. :eek:
Looking for "5 in a circle" on google brings up 5 Thomas Mellon Circle in San Francisco, and 5 time Silver Circle Award winner Cal Kafka from UCI, part of the department of Mathematics, Statistics, and Computer Science.
Also, does the 5 in a circle somewhat remind anyone else of the Ishihara Test for Color Blindness?
Dan Richardson
21-12-2006, 11:36
Diamond Plate and 5 Hrmmm. Well I don't forsee water game, its still out of reach for most FIRST Venues, even in an instance of a kiddy pool I really think that FIRST will out step their realm with one.
My first instinct was inflatable clowns and 5 of them beating on the robots at all times, but then I thought, thats probably not right.
But what I did think was running off the Baseball Idea. Within the diamond, you have 6 players involved. ( this does not include the outfield and the pitcher. ) You have the batter, 4 infielders and the catcher. 1 of these 6 players at all times stands at the plate, if the batter is not at the plate the game doesn't continue. Maybe this year it is a 3v3 game ( or some combination of such ) and 1 team almost be on the plate for the game to continue. That would be interesting, and I could see lots of strategy. Or maybe the home plate is a multiplier, every 15 seconds on the plate doubles a teams score.
Very interesting stuff tho, its the first time I remember we got a picture, we'll see I'm sure there will be some more accurate and more clever guesses than mine in this thread.
Travis Hoffman
21-12-2006, 11:40
HOAX!!!!
Oh, nevermind. :-)
J Flex 188
21-12-2006, 11:45
Maybe they read Greg's post and decided to push up the timeline to avoid a mass lynching :rolleyes:
Mark Pierce
21-12-2006, 11:45
What was the puck?
See this post (http://www.chiefdelphi.com/forums/showthread.php?p=499306&highlight=Puck#post499306) for a description of the 1999 puck, one of the most unique game pieces we've had.
When I look at this picture it seems like the top is cropped to hide some mounting or hinge mechanism. This is how it looks tiled across my desktop anyway. Could this be a target (1 of 5 or five point) in a shooting gallery or even a dunk tank type game?
or... 500LB WEIGHT LIMIT???? :yikes:
-q
LOL
rees2001
21-12-2006, 11:57
1. It looks like the intro slides to the movies, I wonder if we will have 4 tomorrow & so on?
2. Check Dave's signature:
" "I know what you're thinking, punk," hissed Wordy Harry to his new editor, "you're thinking, 'Did he use six superfluous adjectives or only five?' - and to tell the truth, I forgot myself in all this excitement; but being as this is English, the most powerful language in the world, whose subtle nuances will blow your head clean off, you've got to ask yourself one question: 'Do I feel loquacious?' - well do you, punk?"
- Stuart Vasepuru, 2006 Bulwer-Lytton Fiction Contest" (look v)
3. I swear I see rings (inverted images) in the picture below.
4. Why are we doing this to ourselves?
MrShifty
21-12-2006, 12:03
I saw rings too. Maybe the game pieces are hula hoops or similar. Maybe they're lit...
Imprudent
21-12-2006, 12:04
I was also planning on sleeping well tonight...im dead tired...but that seems to be impossible now, as I am having troubles sitting here and not yelling around the classroom for ideas ;)
EDIT:
3. I swear I see rings (inverted images) in the picture below. I see them too! :o The look kind of like the ripple effect when you throw a stone into still water.
1) Theory of one of our Mentors
The number 5 is ‘V’ in roman numerals. ‘V’ rhymes with ’C’. The letter ‘C’ is pronounced the same as ‘sea’. Of course the sea is a large body of water. So obviously our robot will need to be water proof and nautical. The diamond plate is the robotic task. To earn points our robot will have to collect diamonds off the sea floor and deposit them onto a plate.
I wonder why the committee chose to give away the competition before the kick-off?
--Gregg
RoboMadi
21-12-2006, 12:04
Well I really doubt it's going to be a water game. LOL... I found this hint hilarious.....how simple but still hard to understand.
Here are couple of random predictions (for fun):
1. Remember how in Aim High, there were five bots on one side of the field? Does that ring a bell?
2. Five bots on a ramp...... at the end?
3. Star has 5 points......Five pointed star also represents the planet Mars, and the number points are 5-25-52-65-208-325. (Astronomy would help here)
4. Can anyone recall the Fifth US state to ratify constitution? (similar to Montana from last year) Or the fifth independent state?
thats it for now......i'm back to work
http://web.syr.edu/~jdorin/Img/stress%20reduction%20kit.jpg
Richard Wallace
21-12-2006, 12:05
Round plate with a five on it. What's round and comes in fives? Olympic Rings! What ring would make an excellent gamepiece? Hmmm.....
Aerobies (http://www.aerobie.com/Products/Pro.htm), in Centennial Olympic Park (http://www.centennialpark.com/), anyone?
Round plate with a five on it. What's round and comes in fives? Olympic Rings! What ring would make an excellent gamepiece? Hmmm.....
Aerobies (http://www.aerobie.com/Products/Pro.htm), in Centennial Olympic Park (http://www.centennialpark.com/), anyone?
Of course, this year's game will be outside!
RoboMadi
21-12-2006, 12:07
Round plate with a five on it. What's round and comes in fives? Olympic Rings! What ring would make an excellent gamepiece? Hmmm.....
Aerobies (http://www.aerobie.com/Products/Pro.htm), in Centennial Olympic Park (http://www.centennialpark.com/), anyone?
WOW not a bad idea. Aerobies definately popped my eyes. :yikes:
Tom Bottiglieri
21-12-2006, 12:08
I'm not even going to think about this one. I'll enjoy my Christmas without the stress!
Imprudent
21-12-2006, 12:10
I'm not even going to think about this one. I'll enjoy my Christmas without the stress!
You read the thread, now you can't get it out of your mind. Admit it!
to me the backgroud looks just like water...
so my guess is that the game is going to involve water, or a water object(tubes, noodles, inflatable whales, ect)
and i think that there might be 5 seperate areas where you can score points(they'll probably be dimond plated) each might be seperate hights(1= lowest, 5=tallest)then the 1 platform would = the least amount of points and so on.
just my thoughts...
~Alex~
rees2001
21-12-2006, 12:15
Round plate with a five on it. What's round and comes in fives? Olympic Rings! What ring would make an excellent gamepiece? Hmmm.....
Aerobies (http://www.aerobie.com/Products/Pro.htm), in Centennial Olympic Park (http://www.centennialpark.com/), anyone?
Dave did talk a lot about Krispy Kremes? Maybe we will be playing with donuts:yikes: !
raiofsunshine
21-12-2006, 12:15
According to Wikipedia, the fifth state to ratify the constitution was Connecticut, but I have no idea what that could do with the game... Personally, the flying disk idea is the best so far.
Travis Hoffman
21-12-2006, 12:18
http://www.usfirst.org/uploadedImages/Community/FRC/Assets/2007Clue1.jpg
Is it just me, or does the blue background have a ripple reflection pattern, indicative of something like WATER? :-P
Either that, or it's some kind of lighting effect - kinda like the light from a blue cold cathode vision target.....
I'm all for diamond plate as a field material - gives us an excuse to get more to build a new controls carrying box this year.
The filename of the picture is "2007Clue1.jpg", which leads me to believe other clues could be posted later, or that in the very least, other clue photos exist.
TubaMorg
21-12-2006, 12:19
Sooooo, here is my idea. Although, for what it's worth, it seems like in previous years the hints have been pretty abstract. The picture looks like the closeup of a pool ball, as in the game of pool. Also recall earlier in the year an unofficial clue was floating around (punny!) that showed a robot in an aquarium type environment; which could also be interpreted as a "pool"
The only problem I have with my guess is that it isn't abstract enough, but I am guessing....
ROBO-POOL!!!
Pat McCarthy
21-12-2006, 12:19
Well, I've got some opinions about the picture.
It is obviously a screen capture from Dave's animation.
It looks like a close up of a field element with some fun wavy action going on in the background that is irrelevant other than the blue to indicate the alliance for which this particular game element is for.
It seems to me that the reason we don't see the whole diamond plate circle is because it is mounted on something, possibly a vertical pole.
The diamond plate is a perfect circle, not oblong or anything.
If the scale of the diamonds in this render are to scale of real diamond plate (which they probably aren't), I would say that the circle is about 2 feet in diameter.
Also, I think I see a human player on the far right, along with the standard field railing.
As for the '5', I believe it is the point value for whatever the task relating to the the diamond plate circle is. If you remember in 2004, all of the balls were labeled according to point value.
This is supported by the fact that when you crank up the brightness or contrast on the image, you can see the outline of the diamonds, just as you would see if they had vinyl over the diamond plate.
Andrew Schuetze
21-12-2006, 12:21
Could the name of the game be Take Five
If so, a game based upon a robotic light theater such as the one created at UT-Austin would make for some crazy wild autonomuos scripting trying to follow these lights.
Take5 feature on Robotic Lights (http://www.utexas.edu/inside_ut/take5/lucero/)
Low Res Movie of the robotic light theatre (http://www.utexas.edu/inside_ut/take5/lucero/video/quicktime/lucero_low_ref.qtl)
:yikes:
Jack Jones
21-12-2006, 12:24
to me the backgroud looks just like water...
~Alex~
Looks like this stuff http://www.xoxide.com/primoflex-12id-34od-uvblue.html to me?
colin340
21-12-2006, 12:24
I bet in 3 day game hint 2 will come and it will be the # 4
15 /5 =3 ???
JaneYoung
21-12-2006, 12:31
Could the name of the game be Take Five
If so, a game based upon a robotic light theater such as the one created at UT-Austin would make for some crazy wild autonomuos scripting trying to follow these lights.
Take5 feature on Robotic Lights (http://www.utexas.edu/inside_ut/take5/lucero/)
Low Res Movie of the robotic light theatre (http://www.utexas.edu/inside_ut/take5/lucero/video/quicktime/lucero_low_ref.qtl)
good ole UT - Austin:)
Greg Needel
21-12-2006, 12:32
My thoughts:
If you look at the blue section of the photo it is obvious that you are looking at a reflection off of an object. The way that the image is skewed show that the object is rounded with a hole in the middle, much like an inner tube.
example :one I made http://www.team73.org/ideas/hint.jpg
the next part of this is the number 5, since this is an anniversary year for first you start at year 1992 and add 5, 1997. In 1997 the game was called Torroid Terror and teams "human players score points by placing the inner tubes onto pegs on the goal, or around the top of the goal. The tubes are color-coded to identify team ownership."
You heard it here first folks, inner tubes it is. Personally I think Dave did this just so he could persuade Krispy Kremes to be a sponsor.
Rob2713g
21-12-2006, 12:33
Could 5 be a path or a trough. Remember Dave Lavery's other hints, such as this one (http://www.chiefdelphi.com/media/photos/22422)?
i also see rings surrounding the dimond plate circle, maybe ripples, just another posible water hint
~Alex~
MajorHamlet
21-12-2006, 12:40
lol what a clue.
i bet even they don't know what they're trying to say.
5 can mean anything....5 player-each-team match?
Metal floor?
blue background(?)
wow they should give us some real hints...
Elgin Clock
21-12-2006, 12:42
or... 500LB WEIGHT LIMIT???? :yikes:
-q
No. The shipping rules released the other day clearly stated the crate could weigh no more than 400 lbs.
According to Wikipedia, the fifth state to ratify the constitution was Connecticut, but I have no idea what that could do with the game...
Where's this game get it's inspiration?
FROM DA CUTTT!!!! :D
ROBO-POOL!!!
Pool Yes, but not the kind you are thinking.
I'm waiting for the other hint pics to be released, and guessing one will have a Large 2 on a diamond plate piece and an Orange background. :D
By the way: http://www.chiefdelphi.com/forums/showpost.php?p=501873&postcount=10
That is a round object with diamond plate on the bottom. Just something to ponder. VEX game influence maybe?
Please continue to discuss this topic at http://www.chiefdelphi.com/forums/showthread.php?t=50637
THANKS
My thoughts:
...the next part of this is the number 5, since this is an anniversary year for first you start at year 1992 and add 5, 1997. ...
But wasnt 1997 the 6th game, 1996 would be the 5th year, wouldn't it?
killerofkiller
21-12-2006, 12:50
Greg, I defiantly agree with your pic, you can see how the texture changes slightly out side of the plate. so it could be an inner tube or a wheel of some sort. also i wounder how accurate the size of the diamonds are. can anyone calculate the size of that? ( im not sure if diamonds come in different sizes on diamond plate)
Arkorobotics
21-12-2006, 12:53
Robots can be crazy at times, inner tubes can pop.
But the inner tube idea is not to shabby. I like the idea where it might be the amount of points you get "5", and that plate, tube, object whatever you want to call it, is an element.
Greg Needel
21-12-2006, 12:58
Greg, I defiantly agree with your pic, you can see how the texture changes slightly out side of the plate. so it could be an inner tube or a wheel of some sort. also i wounder how accurate the size of the diamonds are. can anyone calculate the size of that? ( im not sure if diamonds come in different sizes on diamond plate)
Assuming that the diamond plate is a normal tread pattern I place that piece being a circle with and aprox diameter of 22 inches.
Tom Bottiglieri
21-12-2006, 12:58
Sometimes I find it easier to look at what something IS NOT to figure out what it is:
IS NOT:
5 robots on the field. There's enough of a problem with teams getting matches in now, and with all the new rookies this would make things worse.
A reference to a prior years game. There are very few people left in FIRST who can think back that many years. Then again, there is a history section on the FIRST page
In another note, I see the same 3 colored "stop light" as I did in the bannana hint.
http://www.cmontom.com/robotics/2007_1.jpg
http://www.cmontom.com/robotics/2007_2.jpg
Does anyone else see the same?
Billfred
21-12-2006, 13:03
This year's game element, I'm calling it now, will have something to do with the Cheesy Poofs. Here's my evidence:
1) What's the Poofs' team number? 254.
2) Go to the Members link on CD, and sort by reputation. Who's in the fifth position on the list? Cory McBride of 254.
3) What was the predominant color of the Poofs' robot this year? Blue. (http://www.chiefdelphi.com/media/photos/25814)
4) 254's main sponsor is NASA Ames. NASA's insignia? Mostly blue. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Logo-nasa-800px.png)
5) Also hailing from NASA Ames is one Mark Leon, an emcee whose relevance to this post should be painfully obvious (http://www.chiefdelphi.com/media/photos/24449) if you've seen him in action.
6) At Cal Games this year, Mark Leon was unintentionally run over by Paly's robot going into autonomous. Where was Mark? Right in front of the blue alliance station.
I'm saying it now: There will be 254 bags of Cheesy Poofs on the field this year.
(And if you believe any of this, I've got a deal for you on a bridge in Brooklyn...)
ZZII 527
21-12-2006, 13:03
Just throwing it out there: the relative size of the diamonds indicates that if it is some kind of platform it may only be large enough for one robot. (But of course there may be 5 of them...musical chairs at the end for bonus points perhaps?)
Robyn Needel
21-12-2006, 13:04
diamond plate = baseball diamond? baseball home plate = 5 sides
You might have something here. Since all the games have some element of sports, maybe this is the year for baseball...
If this is a game element, it's obviously designed to take some punishment or it wouldn't be diamond plate. We could all be fooled by the size, it could be small and not manhole sized.
Maybe it's a multiplier? Or as others have said, 5 teams on the field? a 5th wild card team? 5 ways to score?
maybe its just me, but I can't see any of the plate through the 5. Is it possibly just an optical illusion to those of you who can see it? Often, if you convince yourself that something is there, you will see it, despite the fact that it really isn't. As well, staring at the hint for as long as I have has proven that the picture can shift, giving it a different perception (perhaps the plate through the 5?). Im not saying those of you who do see it are wrong, im just saying that I can't see it. If you could possibly highlight where you see the plate through the 5, it would be gratly appreciated. :)
I was also planning on sleeping well tonight...im dead tired...but that seems to be impossible now, as I am having troubles sitting here and not yelling around the classroom for ideas ;)
EDIT:
I see them too! :o
I was playing with the image in Photoshop and got this...
http://www.blarglefishdev.com/2007.bmp
All I did was open the image, equalize, and brighten.
Mike Starke
21-12-2006, 13:24
I honestly don't think that the diamond plate has anything to do with the game. I think that the 5 and the diamond plate are from kickoff when they cylce through the sponsors, and then they finally give the countdown. So
I think that more clues are to come.... with a 4 being on the next one... maybe a riddle for the last one?
hmm....im confused about all of this...but everyone here has amazing ideas...i dont know if this could help...i doubt it will but the first thing i thought of when i saw this picture..was the fantastic 4...although the number is a 5 it still looks like the fantastic 4 symbol in color shape and even the 5 is the same font as the 4 in the original fantastic 4 symbol
http://www.freewebs.com/ahhmyfamily/fantastic4.jpg
http://www.freewebs.com/ahhmyfamily/fantastic5.bmp
coinsidence? or am i just crazy?
Dylan Gramlich
21-12-2006, 13:28
i am saying we are doing something with round diamond plate circles which will be the scoring game piece, this one for example will be worth 5 points. u will have to probably stack them or move them around. hailing back to the game using "floppies" and possibly even stack attack. build a tough robot these things will cause some damage!:ahh: :D
rees2001
21-12-2006, 13:29
coinsidence? or am i just crazy?
Just Crazy...Like the rest of us for spending all of this time looking at a image of a 5.
I don't know. Looks like team colors though.
Jeremiah H
21-12-2006, 13:32
I like the baseball thoery. Maybe like a shooting gallery in the outfield, and a shooter bot has to sit on home plate and tries to hit the targets and the other bots are attempting to block, with positions switching halfway through game time...
Yeah, I know, Im reaching, but there isn't a whole lot to work with... I miss the riddles.
P.S.- to Dave and the GDC- Enjoying yourselves? :D
if you look closely, it's clear that they aren't reffering to water (being that such a condition is very hard to build robots for). the wisps of blue "force" are juxtaposed with black space. looks like pneumatic will be used to hold up 5 platforms or something...:confused:
I like the baseball thoery. Maybe like a shooting gallery in the outfield, and a shooter bot has to sit on home plate and tries to hit the targets and the other bots are attempting to block, with positions switching halfway through game time...
Yeah, I know, Im reaching, but there isn't a whole lot to work with... I miss the riddles.
P.S.- to Dave and the GDC- Enjoying yourselves? :D
Look at dlavery's user title..
"LMAO..."
- it looks vaguely like a q-ball.
- I think that the whirls imply a spherical object
- maybe there are only going to be five pieces.
clean399
21-12-2006, 13:43
Check this out I don't think this is the last clue i think we are counting down to the real one go to HERE (http://www.usfirst.org/community/frc/content.aspx?id=3712) and it says 2007 game clue but shows no picture.
themagic8ball
21-12-2006, 13:44
Just playing with photoshop... Look at the right side of the image.
http://interocitor.com/images/johnny5.jpg
Tetraman
21-12-2006, 13:48
In another note, I see the same 3 colored "stop light" as I did in the bannana hint.
http://www.cmontom.com/robotics/2007_1.jpg
http://www.cmontom.com/robotics/2007_2.jpg
Does anyone else see the same?
NICE FIND!!
Dylan Gramlich
21-12-2006, 13:48
Johnny 5 ALIVE!!! i get the corrolation! maybe it is just saying we will have robots in this years game.
The hint means there will be a game with robots on a field of some kind.
rees2001
21-12-2006, 13:53
The hint means there will be a game with robots on a field of some kind.
How do you get that from a 5?
I was thinking of a blue light that you can track with five manhole like items on the field that you lift in order to score a goal.:cool:
JaneYoung
21-12-2006, 14:08
I really like the 5.
5,4,3,2,1 - blast off.
I really like that....
Alrighty, here's my theory. The number 5 signifies that we will, once again, have five robots competing at once with one robot "guarding" or something. The diamond plate could either mean we will, as has been mentioned before, a circular arena, or a "king of the hill" sort of thing. It kind of looks like a manhole, but where's the fun in that? Unless, of course, there are scattered manholes to test your robots suspesion, or a raised manhole you somehow must get your grossly oversized robot on top of. :eek: or maybe its just another ramp.
Now for the background. It kind of looks like water, and my mom said that maybe there are out of bounds areas that either are or look like water. Or they could use water jugs . . .
The possibilities are endless!
Maybe this year the game is going to be called HIGH FIVE ?!?!?!:confused: :yikes:
Tetraman
21-12-2006, 14:28
Ok...Here we go.
The field is split into two sides, red and blue. split between a type of field obstruction like a ramp or stairs.
On each side are three towers of large tube rings labled 5 to 1, shrinking in size/similar in size, stacked in three towers. The tube rings are colored red and blue and are stacked on opposite sides of the field.
Ready set go, aliances try to move the color rings to their side of the field and put them in order. A ring on the color field recieves 1 point.
If ring 1 is stacked on top or below ring 2, that team gives 5 ponts. If ring 3 is on top or on bottom of 2, 5 extra points, 4 similar 5 more, 5 similar 5 more, making a total of 20 for the stack, 5 more for the rings on color, 75 possible total for each side for three stacks...
Rings that touch on the side of each other of similar number recieve 2 points if the ring touches another. So if a 2 touches 2, thats 2 extra points, if 2 touches 2 and that 2 touches the third 2, thats 4 points. If 2 touches 2 touches 2 touches the other 2, thats 6 points.
So if each three stack touches each other so each stack touches the other two, thats 30 additional points, and 105 total points
Plus 25 for robots doing something at the end.
Travis Hoffman
21-12-2006, 14:34
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Gladiators
I'm thinking the robots will be playing a variation of the "Assault" game from the American Gladiators TV show.
Assault (1989-1996): The two contenders competed separately against a single Gladiator. The object was to fire a series of five weapons to hit a target at one end of the playing field. Below the target, a Gladiator used a cannon to shoot tennis balls at speeds in excess of 100 miles per hour at the contender. The weapons used by the contenders were located near protective barriers and varied from season to season. The weapons included a crossbow, pneumatic "rocket launcher", and "cannon", a handgun, as well as softballs at the final station. Hitting the bullseye scored 10 points (10 for the white circle & 7 for the red in earlier seasons) for the contender. In the most common version of the event the contender earned a point for each weapon fired as well as a bonus for crossing a finish line near the Gladiator's platform within 60 seconds. Getting struck directly by a tennis ball (ricochets off the floor or walls did not count) ended the round.
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Robots must wear different-colored Spandex unitards to designate their alliance. "Zap", "Turbo", and "Gemini" will serve as honorary human players who man the tennis ball cannon that attempts to block the shots of the robots as they shoot at targets high up on a platform. The 5 point hinged disk in the game hint(hinge cropped out at top of photo) is one such target. The targets will have different lights behind them to aid targeting via the vision camera (the green-lighted target will be worth the least amount of points per hit since more teams know how to target that color). The higher-point targets will also be harder to reach - further away, shielded in some manner, etc.
Because it will be hard for humans to score the number of times an alliance's robots hit the targets, there will again be some kind of automatic scoring system that will most likely not work as well as the designers intended, hence the indirect reference in Dave's sig to the Dirty Harry quote, "I know what you're thinking. "Did he fire six shots or only five?" Well, to tell you the truth, in all this excitement I kind of lost track myself", in the same way that the scoring software will lose count again this year. :rolleyes:
RKElectricalman
21-12-2006, 14:34
well I honestly do think we'll have four other clues, since today is the 21st and we have clue number 1 (out of 5)... 4 days from today is Christmas! when the REAL, or the most detailed/least confusing clue should be released.
21st - clue 1 [most vague clue]
22nd- clue 2
23rd- clue 3
24th- clue 4 [ the biggest tease clue! :( ]
25th- clue 5 (Christmas!) [most detailed clue]
Maybe this could mean, five game periods? (auto/off/def/free for all/2nd auto!) Or maybe one robot has to stand on a platform to open the scoring area, and the defense robots try to kick it off, while offense tries to score? I like Greg Needel's proposal of how the game piece sort of looks like a taurus. This is confusing :-( and i'm late for work! I really hope more clues come out!! I guess more sleepless nights to come :rolleyes:
MAteo9944
21-12-2006, 14:36
I think that the background kind of looks like you are looking out from the bottom of a transparent inner tube.
Elgin Clock
21-12-2006, 14:37
I'll take your Johnny Five, and raise the stakes.
http://www.minutemaid.com/pix/products/productshot/other_products_and_brands/five_alive_64oz_carton.jpg
Maybe this could mean, five game periods?
Extra periods? Kind of like the one the grammar whiz Dave Lavery is leaving around the forums at the ends of his latest posts??
http://www.chiefdelphi.com/forums/showpost.php?p=543315&postcount=8
http://www.chiefdelphi.com/forums/showpost.php?p=543496&postcount=70
http://www.chiefdelphi.com/forums/showpost.php?p=543593&postcount=10
aztech75
21-12-2006, 14:43
Remember the history with these hints and baseball.
Who is a famouse #5 and what did he do?
The game must be based on reggie bush... sumthin with footballs hehe
Peter Matteson
21-12-2006, 14:44
http://interocitor.com/images/johnny5.jpg
It took way too many posts for some one to post Johnny 5 here. The first thing I thought was "Number 5 is alive"
What this tells me is the game will be called Short Cicuit, we will therefore have a robot on the field that we do not control as a scoring object. We need to place the robot on a diamond plate goal.
ewankoff
21-12-2006, 14:48
maybe there will be 5 diamond plate platforms and points can only be scored when the robots are on the platform
Rob2713g
21-12-2006, 14:49
It took way too many posts for some one to post Johnny 5 here. The first thing I thought was "Number 5 is alive"
What this tells me is the game will be called Short Cicuit, we will therefore have a robot on the field that we do not control as a scoring object. We need to place the robot on a diamond plate goal.
After the initial 10 second autonomous, there is a point where 5 robots are human controlled and 1 is autonomous.
Vince lau
21-12-2006, 14:50
well I honestly do think we'll have four other clues, since today is the 21st and we have clue number 1 (out of 5)... 4 days from today is Christmas! when the REAL, or the most detailed/least confusing clue should be released.
21st - clue 1 [most vague clue]
22nd- clue 2
23rd- clue 3
24th- clue 4 [ the biggest tease clue! :( ]
25th- clue 5 (Christmas!) [most detailed clue]
I was thinking the samething, 5 clues, or a countdown till the offical clue
Jay Trzaskos
21-12-2006, 14:53
Follow me here for a second... What if the diamond plate circle is a marker desgnating where teams need to score? There will be plexi or lexan circles placed around the field, eitherhanging or placed on the the field itself, that the robots must either pick up or take down before sliding onto one of three marked scoring pegs that are at varrying heights at each end of the field. This picture is of the blue allainces 5 point scoring area. The other two scoring areas will most likely be 3 points and 1 point. the reason the circle in the picture is cropped off is because it shows the peg where the plexi/lexan circles would slide on. The one point "goal" would be the easiest and the 5 point "goal" would most likely the highest in the air, or in the most difficult to reach area of the field.
Ok, I got some ideas... and i know i'll be repeating some that have already been posted, so just consider it being my support of those ideas...
so
First i figured to break it up into multiple parts. First rarely has things working together to only mean one thing. So i split it all up
the circle
the diamond plate
the 5
the background
For the circle
it could be referring to a ball game piece. First enjoys using triangle boxes and circles for their game pieces, probably because its their logo and... ya
a disc (similar to the nerf-style discs that someone posted a link to in page 8 or so)
For the diamond plate
We know that diamond plate has been used for ramps in previous years
it has also been used for stairs. In reference to a post made on the first pages of the what seems to be stairs underwater around the main circle, i agree. I don't know about a circular staircase going up to a circular platform, but its possible that that piece refers to stairs
diamond plate could also be the top platform of some sort of "hill" like the people that have mentioned a "king of the hill" type game. I agree with them as well.
For the number 5
I'm seeing a LOT of ideas running around with the number five, but, being how i am, i think a little more simple then all these references to baseball and such. I think that 5 has a more basic meaning of
5 possible goals
5 robots in a free-for-all
5 obstacles on the field
5 robots attacking (1 defending)(as also mentioned)
5 special locations on the field that allow you to do something you can't do anywhere else, like the tetra game and the loading zones
I like the 500 lb weight limit :)
and of course, the background
One thing i'd like to point out, that Tom sort of did, but made a connection with something else. Notice how the whole background seems pretty similar to all the other parts, but there is that right side that catches my eye every time i look at it. Its like its different from everything else. Tom made the connection of it being an image hidden in the clouded, twisted, blue background, but he referred to a piece in the fake hint that was released a while ago. When i looked closer, i realized it looks a lot like the scoop of some robot like a ice-snow-remover-thingamagig that cleans the street... you know what i'm saying ;). It also looks like a robot is attached to it, like the scoop is facing toward the bottom of the image, and the robot (the black part right above the scoop) going towards to top.... this could be indicating that our robots will have to push stuff around more than it has to manipulate it, similar to the Raising the Bar challenge with the balls on the ground and you have to push them around...
aside from that note, I don't think that it would be underwater. As people have pointed out, its much to complicated, unless first themselves supply some sort of basic structure to allow teams to all have a waterproof robot. Dealing with water and robots is, imo, much too complicated and dangerous for FIRST to throw on both veteran and rookie teams, because of the issues it involves of electricity (12V battery) and expensive electronics.
Perhaps the blue simple shows that its 1 team (or ffa).
I also wanted to point out, did anyone else notice there is no green in the clue? Could it be possible that the light we need to detect with the camera is now blue? thus the blue background? and the black mixed with the blue show that there is not team colors? :ahh:
thats my two cents, i'll see if anything else comes to mind...
In the second "Short Circuit" movie Johnny Five parachutes out of an office building... Is it a bird? Is it a plane? No, its a 125 pound flying robot!
As for the stop light thing, that hint from Atlanta/grand rapids might be plausible... There will be lights made with red green and blue neons.. The only problem is these lights could then be used to make just about any color you can imagine... So teams will have to track an almost infinite number of colors!
Inner tubes: Inner tubes have been used before, if I remember correctly. The background in the hint looks like water. And Dave posted that crazy water scene a while back. So maybe theres some credibility to the ring shaped game piece idea...
The quote from Dave's signature is from a comic author, if i remember correctly. The fantastic four was a comic.. So again there might be some credibility there.. Or maybe the GDC is just anticipating a whole lot of robots engulfed in flames.
One last one. As mentioned much earlier, maybe its a reference to the five of diamonds in cards. Perhaps we'll be using round disk shaped objects to score?
artdutra04
21-12-2006, 14:57
http://factorfantasy.com/thedavegallery/photos/ShakeItDave.jpg http://factorfantasy.com/thedavegallery/photos/May.jpg
Cinco de Mayo is celebrated in the 5th Month on the 5th Day.
That's it! The playing field parts are pinatas and maracas! :p
¿Se puede decirnos mas por el juego de la competicion del robot, o necesitamos esperar hasta el seis de enero?
this clue is vague
don't they normally give like a riddle ... what happened to that?!?
anyways here is what i think...
1) the most literal would be ... there are 5 diamond plates and the robots have to get on them and something like that ... maybe of the end... Basically the king of the hill idea that has already been said or SUMO style (maybe there is something surrounding the plates making a boundary line that u have to stay in or something ... like in the picture it looks like water.... but i donno about water)
2) or maybe its like musical chairs .... there are 6 bots... and only 5 plates (chairs) to start out with .... and they keep taking a "chair" after each period of the game.... the alliance with the most bots remaining wins!
maybe the field object is made out of diamond plating or is a pentagon or is a diamond plated pentagon... or maybe diamond plated boxes
wasn't the ramp last year made up of diamond plating...???? or something like that..... maybe the diamond plating could be what a part of the field if made up of ....
also, is it just me or is the river thing in this http://www.chiefdelphi.com/forums/showthread.php?t=41024
picture the same as the background in the clue like the same color....
or maybe there is something made of diamond plating that is high up or there are like 5 of it ... 5 colors for the light... the game mite be called HIGH FIVE !
Why couldn't the 5 represent the number teams on an alliance (includes an alternate in the elimination rounds) and the diamond plate represent a "0"
A 4 vs 0 game similar to what we had in 2001.
Never say never.
5: the number of oceans
That seals it - it has to be a water game! I wonder how we're supposed to make a diamond-plate disk float...
Or, maybe we'll be doing pull-ups again. Look at the number 5 key on a computer keypad - it has a raised bar on it!
5: the number of Platonic Solids (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Platonic_solid). We had the first one (http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/8/83/Tetrahedron.jpg/80px-Tetrahedron.jpg) in 2005...
Oh, the possibilities are so delightfully endless with a clue so vague!
pandamonium
21-12-2006, 15:14
pentathlon
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pentathalon
read this article and it all makes sense. if i am right this is going to be one complicated game.
Sgraff_SRHS06
21-12-2006, 15:18
Well, I've got some opinions about the picture.
It is obviously a screen capture from Dave's animation.
It looks like a close up of a field element with some fun wavy action going on in the background that is irrelevant other than the blue to indicate the alliance for which this particular game element is for.
It seems to me that the reason we don't see the whole diamond plate circle is because it is mounted on something, possibly a vertical pole.
The diamond plate is a perfect circle, not oblong or anything.
If the scale of the diamonds in this render are to scale of real diamond plate (which they probably aren't), I would say that the circle is about 2 feet in diameter.
Also, I think I see a human player on the far right, along with the standard field railing.
As for the '5', I believe it is the point value for whatever the task relating to the the diamond plate circle is. If you remember in 2004, all of the balls were labeled according to point value.
This is supported by the fact that when you crank up the brightness or contrast on the image, you can see the outline of the diamonds, just as you would see if they had vinyl over the diamond plate.
I'm letting this one be the winner. But I'll add this: it will be the return of 5-vs0. Either that or 5v5. That would be typical FIRST--accomodating to the larger number of teams (and the larger regionals).
pentathlon
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pentathalon
read this article and it all makes sense. if i am right this is going to be one complicated game.
Robots with javelins! Yikes! No wonder FIRST is stessing safety glasses so early!
5: the number of Platonic Solids (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Platonic_solid). We had the first one (http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/8/83/Tetrahedron.jpg/80px-Tetrahedron.jpg) in 2005...
Oh, the possibilities are so delightfully endless with a clue so vague!
Im going with the dodecahedron... It is made of pentagons after all... Plus the killer bees just have a thing for dodeca-anything.
Chuck Glick
21-12-2006, 15:27
Well there are 2 things we should be able to rule out.
1. There most likely won't be 5 different game pieces because then you get lots of bots with the same manipulator.
2. water+electricity=bad
From looking at other posts though, the merry-go-round thing http://www.chiefdelphi.com/forums/showpost.php?p=501873&postcount=10
looks possible, I mean, they can be small and they would add to the dificulty of movement (mecanum anyone?) and medicine balls aren't too expensive and do come in the 5 pound size... but I'm not gonna go crazy trying to figure out the clues, I'll just wait till the 6th.
A rotating platform of some sort sounds possible. Maybe instead of it being a square like it was for FVC, it'll be just a round platform, and maybe instead of just rotating, it also tilts and wobbles. It would have 5 goals on this that you need to score on with an innertube.
Or what if all of the innertubes are in the center of the field on a giant rotating diamond plate platform and we need to somehow get them. ooo
I'm not going to get too into the hint this season, it's only two weeks away.
Tetraman
21-12-2006, 15:40
Whatever the game...It is going to be Odd!
Ted Boucher
21-12-2006, 15:40
1. There most likely won't be 5 different game pieces because then you get lots of bots with the same manipulator.
Do you care to explain why 5 different game pieces would end up with many robots having the same manipulater?
Seems to me and others the more game pieces there are, the more unique the robot designs will be.
Now, as an example... in 2005 and 2006 there has been 1 game piece and all the robots have been basically the same. Whereas in 2004 (the last good year), there were 3 (kickball, 2x ball, bar) game pieces and the robot designs were all very unique.
ive been thinking that it is water but for some reason i cant grasp FIRST actually doing it. :eek:
Im pretty sure they wouldn't go with underwater because the MATE competitoin deals with underwater
looneylin
21-12-2006, 15:46
if you google: five diamond plate,
you get baseball
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Home_plate#home_plate
maybe it involves catching or throwing balls
home plate is a five-sided white rubber slab, maybe in this case it's a diamond plate
Alright.. I keep reading into what dlavery says in his other posts, and I'm probably going to burn for this when the game comes out, but:
- the dot at the end of his posts.. aka, period
- the stressed I.. aka, eye? aka, no alliances? aka, one at a time? aka, 1?
- I 5? eye five? high five?
- . I? period one? I .? one period?
Chuck Glick
21-12-2006, 15:48
Do you care to explain why 5 different game pieces would end up with many robots having the same manipulater?
Seems to me and others the more game pieces there are, the more unique the robot designs will be.
Now, as an example... in 2005 and 2006 there has been 1 game piece and all the robots have been basically the same. Whereas in 2004 (the last good year), there were 3 (kickball, 2x ball, bar) game pieces and the robot designs were all very unique.
Well, my comment only applies if there are 5 different types of things to pick up... i/e most people would make some type of gripper and lots of bots would be similar. Also look at other games, there has not been one that has 5 different shaped game pieces, i/e even if there were more than 1, they were the same shape, like in 2004, where you had balls in 2 different sizes. They wouldn't do something like tetras and balls in the same game as pieces because then lots of bots will do the same type of thing. And if you look at past games, they seem to be going towards one type of game piece: 2003 = boxes, 2004 = balls (2 sizes, but still same shape), 2005= tetras, 2006 = balls.
Eric Scheuing
21-12-2006, 15:49
Sorry if it's been said already, but the 5 could have something to do with 5 raised platforms which the game pieces have to be placed on and possibly defended. As for the diamond plate, maybe they're arranged in a diamond pattern, or maybe the field isn't a rectangle this year...;)
talltree357
21-12-2006, 15:50
Ok, well after reading through 12 pages of posts I have an idea. What if the 5 relates to the number of zones. 2x2 alliance, robots in starting zones 1-4. In the center is a raised platform, zone 5. Notice how the edges on 2 sides are straight not round, that could indicate a ramp to the platform. Also, while the blue is the same background from kickoff, I think it means we will be using a blue light for some reason or another.
if you google: five diamond plate,
you get baseball
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Home_plate#home_plate
thats actually a really great thing to point out. but of course, this IS FIRST so we have to link to at least 3 other words from this. :p
hmm.
diamond plate - baseball - bases - touch and be safe - a robot gets to be "Safe" when touching a platform?
Michael Leicht
21-12-2006, 15:53
i just got it
the 5 equals the number of goals.
i think that FIRST could be lazy and just use the vex game from last year
half pipe hustle but with poof balls.
I what about a 5 vs 5
that would be realy crowded but an olympic size pool should be big enough:D
Ok, well after reading through 12 pages of posts I have an idea. What if the 5 relates to the number of zones. 2x2 alliance, robots in starting zones 1-4. In the center is a raised platform, zone 5. Notice how the edges on 2 sides are straight not round, that could indicate a ramp to the platform. Also, while the blue is the same background from kickoff, I think it means we will be using a blue light for some reason or another.
If you set your page count to 40 then you only have to read half a many pages :)
ChuckDickerson
21-12-2006, 16:05
I think the clue is not the diamond plate but 5 diamond shaped plates/platforms. I predict two alliances of 3 teams like the last two years. At some point (probably at the end like last year) you will get points for being on top of one of 5 diamond shaped platforms arranged in either a star shape or sort of a "S" shape in the center of the field. The top of the platforms may be diamond plate but that isn't the clue. The platforms are of different heights sort of like a spiral staircase or an Olympic metal stand and the higher you go the more points you get. Maybe there is only space on each platform for one robot and so one of the alliances gets left out and doesn't get the "bonus" points for having all three of your alliance robots on a platform. Sort of like the ramp points last year but with a common star/"S" shaped spiral "stair case" of diamond shaped platforms in the middle of the field. Maybe the name of the game will be "Stairway to Heaven".
:yikes: :confused: :eek: :ahh: :D
Tim Arnold
21-12-2006, 16:07
I'm too lazy to read through this entire thread, but I noticed the file name...
http://www.usfirst.org/uploadedImages/Community/FRC/Assets/2007Clue1.jpg
I'm not even gonna touch this. Come on, guys, it's two weeks 'til build.
Personally, I'm gonna go outside for a little before I forget what my neighborhood looks like in the daylight. :)
Personally, I'm gonna go outside for a little before I forget what my neighborhood looks like in the daylight.
Aye to that
Jonathan Norris
21-12-2006, 16:09
5: the number of Platonic Solids (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Platonic_solid). We had the first one (http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/8/83/Tetrahedron.jpg/80px-Tetrahedron.jpg) in 2005...
Oh, the possibilities are so delightfully endless with a clue so vague!
Ohh I like this one, Octahedral game pieces would be very interesting, and difficult to manipulate....
Michael Leicht
21-12-2006, 16:09
i think the most important thing to think about is Mr. lavery going to have a good relaxing christmas break or is he on his computer making the video for kickoff. i think he should take the break off. who is with me?
Michelle Celio
21-12-2006, 16:11
I'm not even gonna touch this. Come on, guys, it's two weeks 'til build.
Personally, I'm gonna go outside for a little before I forget what my neighborhood looks like in the daylight. :)
But what would Dean say?!
But then again, hopefully this is my first/last post in this thread...
--
On that note, I inverted it and to me, the diamond plate looks more like an animation when its inverted, when the image is inverted the background is yellow. So maybe there has to do something with yellow?
Jonathan Norris
21-12-2006, 16:12
- I 5? eye five? high five?
Now that sounds like a good name for the game... I wonder if the 2007 game will be called high five...
i think that there will be 5 scoring zones. the zones will be diamond plates.
they will have colors like the green target from last year. they will color the plates as 2 red 2 blue and 1 green (from the hint at Atlanta that there will be green, bule and red) the 2 red and 2 blue will be the scoring zones for the alliances and the gree plate will be like a bonus zone..
just a thought
Well being the 21'st of December:
5 Golden rings( from the 12 days of Christmas)
or
Party of 5- but it would be a little too crowded on the feild.
then agian, these are just first initial thoughts
Tim Arnold
21-12-2006, 16:21
Actually, I think I got it now.
http://www.marsbot.org/upload/files/figureditoutclue.JPG
Hey, what can you ask for 2 mins in paint :p. It's a guy with a cap on if you haven't noticed.
Tetraman
21-12-2006, 16:24
I'm too lazy to read through this entire thread, but I noticed the file name...
http://www.usfirst.org/uploadedImages/Community/FRC/Assets/2007Clue1.jpg
This post wins the thread.
flightofone
21-12-2006, 16:30
Can you spell "OCR"?
Ted Boucher
21-12-2006, 16:31
This post wins the thread.
actually.... by that train of thought, this post (http://www.chiefdelphi.com/forums/showpost.php?p=543766&postcount=11) (#11) wins the thread...
Everyone do everyone a favor.
Stop, read the whole thread, and then post
or at least do a quick search using the search tool
Michael Leicht
21-12-2006, 16:35
five 'bots tangling with pasta
a game piece obsessed with a shovel's show
and seeing Montana's green heights
there is going to be a back bot this year
I know what the number 5 means.... The number of minutes it took dave to make the picture for the clue. The picture probably has nothing to do with the game and is just something to make us all go crazy for two weeks.;) ;)
Actually. i dont know what it means yet, i have read some posts that make some sence but im not done reading through all of them yet. I'm going to think somemore, and read through the 6 more pages of posts, before i post what I think it is.
I have no clue. All I know is that every year the riddle in the clue has confused me but this year it is the lack of confusion that confuses me.
Greg Needel
21-12-2006, 16:46
I just thought of another one.....what if 5 represents the fact that there are going to be 5 min matches....:ahh: talk about making sure you have plenty of batteries
Richard Wallace
21-12-2006, 16:47
Over 200 posts based on a mere scrap of information.
"A man's life in these these parts often depends on a mere scrap of information." -- Clint Eastwood in A Fistful of Dollars
No wonder Dave (http://www.chiefdelphi.com/forums/member.php?u=171) has updated his team role to LMAO.
it could possibly be a count down. 5 days till 2007Clue2.jpeg
:confused:
Josh Goodman
21-12-2006, 16:53
I like Dan's Idea.
5 Golden rings( from the 12 days of Christmas)
Also for those who are musically inclined on CD. In music the code of sharps and flats for each key is called the Circle of Fifths. Don't know what that has to do with yet, but maybe we need another clue or people to research it.
Josh Goodman
21-12-2006, 16:59
Also, on the same idea of music. Music is written on a staff. Perhaps a pole or "staff" in the game? Or perhaps "keys"?
BuddyB309
21-12-2006, 17:00
ok my turn to take a stab.
-5 represents either 5 min match, 5 dimond plated plat forms, or black five is a steam locomotive.
-dimaond plate, hmmm.... black diamond? something. there is a reason it is round.
-okay my final answer "hockey"
diamond plate represents roller and roller hockey. sounds reasonable
Ted Boucher
21-12-2006, 17:04
Tis 5 o'clock here in Connecticut, the 5th state. To note: $5 is the standard shipping at woot.com! (had to do it)
.... I always wondered who they sold all of those useless products (Leakfrog and others) to, now FIRST could be using them as game pieces.
raymaniac
21-12-2006, 17:05
Some people made olympic refrences, so maybe the game will be an event from the olympics. So many possibilities...
We can probably rule some out, like javelin, rifle, syncronized swimming/diving (though that would require a lot of team work, so maybe if they felt team work was needed more, they would. Autonomis would require a lot of luck, so most teams probably wouldn't get any points).
Or maybe the Olympics refers to the method of scoring. Judges give you points based on your performance, possibly five judges, of seven and the highest and lowest scores are ignored.
Anyone else notice that Dave hasn't posted anything in this thread?
colin340
21-12-2006, 17:06
it could possibly be a count down. 5 days till 2007Clue2.jpeg
:confused:
I bet in 3 day game hint 2 will come and it will be the # 4
15 /5 =3 ???
how did you get five days
Elgin Clock
21-12-2006, 17:08
Over 200 posts based on a mere scrap of information.
"A man's life in these these parts often depends on a mere scrap of information." -- Clint Eastwood in A Fistful of Dollars
No wonder Dave (http://www.chiefdelphi.com/forums/member.php?u=171) has updated his team role to LMAO.
Ahem.. LMAO.... with only 4 periods.
But then keeps dropping the last period at the end of the posts lately.
1 Autonomous period, 1 Red period, 1 Blue period, 1 Both perioid, 1 Autonomous period at the end.
BAM!! You have your long awaited Autonomous at the end of the match request.
Talk about an exciting finish. (or maybe it's a pipe dream.) :D
Andrew Blair
21-12-2006, 17:10
Well, after wading through 14 pages of information wasteland, I found two, maybe three, legitimate bits of information.
1. The picture is a frame from a video. No EXIF, compressed, etc. (ArtDutra04)
2. The blue ring on the outside has gloss indicative of a torus. (Greg Needel)
3. There is an operator station on the far right of the image. (No idea. somewhere towards the end of 14 pages of boredom)
Ahh, time for assumptions!
The blue thingy, number, etc. is most likely a splash screen/transition for Dave's video. Meaning, that the five has much more to do with how the game, or maybe just Dave's video is organized. Five consecutive periods, five ways to score, five important points, whatever.
If the blue thing is in fact a torus, it would make sense that Dave would incorporate it into his animation, including his transitions. Torus may show up somewhere.
The operator station in the far right of the image supports the assumption that this is simply a transition shot- a transparent torus flies over the screen, that's pointing towards the field, allowing for a position, focus, or time change.
No game can be remotely investigated through the game hints, so I won't try. But I am disappointed that there isn't a riddle...
EDIT- Ironic... This is my 1,000 post!
Andrew Blair
21-12-2006, 17:12
Anyone else notice that Dave hasn't posted anything in this thread?
He can't. He's paralyzed by laughter.
JoeXIII'007
21-12-2006, 17:15
Stuff from Wikipedia I found curiously interesting about 5:
In chess (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chess), the fewest number of moves a pawn (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pawn_%28chess%29) makes to a queening square.
The smallest Euro (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Euro) banknote. It shows an antique bridge.
The word "punch (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Punch_%28drink%29)" comes from the Hindustani (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hindustani_language) for five.
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/73/ICS_Five.svg/100px-ICS_Five.svg.pngInternational Maritime Signal flag for 5
I think that right there gives me a darn good idea of what the playing field might look like. Perhaps at the center will be a diamond plated circle for
Otherwise, there are no words to this hint curiously as well. Just a number. I'm suspecting it will be the same bot system as last year, 6 on field, etc. etc.
But that flag, and how the clue presents itself as a signal like the flag is what seems worth investigating.
:cool:
-Joe
edit: another curiosity: if one takes a quick glance (not at all paying much attention, no analysis) at the picture would they get a first impression that its the number 5 on a golf ball instead of diamond plate???
edit2: one of team 66's former advisers first thought of a pool ball when I described the hint to her...
edit3: something tells me everyone is looking too hard into the technical details of the photo... really nothing too conclusive yet. Last year the key was a simple phrase and linking it to the correct answer (shovel's show = "just shoot me") yet everyone took the first few thoughts, which turned out to be wayyyyy off, and did practically an essay on it. When I look at this year's game hint I think of what possible game elements have we seen in previous years, how consistent have the past years been, etc. etc. [I]realistically speaking.
Our goal is to make Dave Lavery tremble with fear that the secret has been leaked. Otherwise he will just die laughing on the floor. Keep him alive and keep him wondering if he really made too easy of a hint. ;)
I really like the inner tube idea, because it does look a lot like it.
Also, wanted to point out, if it is a manhole cover, Neenah Foundry in Neenah, Wisconsin is the largest producer of manhole covers. Try doing some research on them lol.
Honestly, that probably has nothing to do with it, just thought I would post my overly geeky knowledge...
raymaniac
21-12-2006, 17:28
If the picture is a manhole cover, than maybe the playing field will have two levels, one will be some thing like a street or sidewalk, and the other will be something like a sewer system, and the only way to get between the levels is through one of five manholes.
There could be five levels, but that is a lot less likely.
As for what the actual game will be, I don't know. It would be fun to do a sort of paintball or lasertag thing with a field like that.
The musical note G is 5 notes away from Middle C. G begins Greg Needel. So this year's game piece must be Greg, especially after he gave the "official clue" out:p
You guys are quick.
The time stamp on the email I got directly from FIRST was 9:50:03.
The other CD posting time stamp was 9:46.
How'd THAT happen??
Someone read and answered their email.
Greg was actually paid off by the GDC to "leak" his "official" hint. Thats where the real clue is! Maybe we should start over-scrutinizing everything he says.....
Cody Carey
21-12-2006, 17:35
Can you spell "OCR"?
Wait, Optical character recognition? or did you mean the Office for civil rights? Or was it OverClocked Remix?
In any case, I think that this is most definately from an animation, but don't you guys think Dave would have done a better job on rendering the diamond plate if it were his finished game animation?
colin340
21-12-2006, 17:39
this look like a leader/countdown http://video.google.com/videosearch?q=Leader+with+countdown+
Que the final countdown
Lemaymk 237
21-12-2006, 17:44
Maybe a 5 bot free-for-all???...with flying manhole covers...lol...guess we are going to have to wait anf find out
going off of last years use of an obscure and contrived pop culture reference (david spade) i think we should apply that to this clue. so lets start with the diamond plateing. here is 3 probable options:
*Swedish pop star Amy Diamond released a CD in May of '05 (5-05) and track number 5 is called "one of the ones". implys to me that there will be a type of gamepeice that there is only one of durring each match.
*Micheal Diamond born in 1965 is a member of the band Beastie Boys who recently released a cd titled "To the 5 Boroughs" the boroughs refer to the NY boroughs leading me to believe that the game will have 5 distinct areas
*Dustin Diamond is better known as Screech from Saved by the Bell. in part of the series he has a robot named Kevin (5 letters). Kevin was a more humanoid robot than has been commonly seen at FIRST competitions, so this year the robot will have to meet certain requirements to look humanoid.
But maybe im wrong about the pop cluture references, and maybe there is something to this whole water deal. in the royal british navy "HMS Diamond" was the name given to a 5th rate ship and had 32 guns. the game must consist of a total of 32 points that the alliences fight over.
artdutra04
21-12-2006, 17:59
The most destructive of all storms on the planet are F5 tornadoes and Category-5 hurricanes. :ahh:
And you thought last year's game was brutal... :ahh:
also, the picture is using the RGB color scheme, not CMYK or anything else. this confirms the use of 3 colors for the camera to use.
Greg Needel
21-12-2006, 18:04
Greg was actually paid off by the GDC to "leak" his "official" hint. Thats where the real clue is! Maybe we should start over-scrutinizing everything he says.....
who me? :confused: ;)
Round 5?
Dante's Inferno:
5th circle: The Wrathful and Sullen. These souls are submerged into the river Styx, which surrounds the city of Dis. The wrathful emerge from the dirty waters while the sullen are completely submerged. Phlegyas will take Dante and Virgil across this river in his boat. Here Dante talks to Filippo Argenti, an old acquaintance for whom he has no pity.
That pictures looks like water surrounding a "city?"
edit:
I've also been thinking about dlavery's "LMAO" (laughing my ___ off) user title.. so I looked around. There is a card game called MAO (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mao_(game)) that looks interesting to think about. 5 seconds per turn, sometimes 5 cards dealt, "point of order.." A game with no rules, basically.. I guess FIRST probably wouldn't do that?
MAO -> China -> Chinese checkers.
I keep guessing, and the more I gues the more I realize that I have absolutely no idea.
Neil Diamond wrote "im a believer" for the monkees and it was covered Smash Mouth and this version was used in the animated feature "shrek" shrek has 5 letters. this shows that the clue is obviously a frame from the kickoff video. most likely its just the final countdown to kickoff, so its merely to throw us off.
artdutra04
21-12-2006, 18:45
http://adutra.team228.org/the-answer.jpg
I plead the fifth. :yikes:
Sgraff_SRHS06
21-12-2006, 18:56
http://adutra.team228.org/the-answer.jpg
I plead the fifth. :yikes:
The scoring object, therefore is 6x9. It'll take 5 bots battling and 1 backbot compiling information to figure that out!
Andy Grady
21-12-2006, 18:57
I've also been thinking about dlavery's "LMAO" user title.. so I looked around. There is a card game called MAO (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mao_(game)) that looks interesting to think about. 5 seconds per turn, sometimes 5 cards dealt, "point of order.." A game with no rules, basically.. I guess FIRST probably wouldn't do that?
Mao does have rules...I have been taught them from old members of team 237. You just aren't told what they are. :) I might be able to start up a game at kickoff or at the CT Regional this year if anyone is interested.
As for the game hint...usually, when FIRST posts hints, the meaning isn't THAT hidden. My guess...all you are looking at is a screen shot of Dave's animation. A blue inner tube scored in a goal that has a diamond plate bottom with the point value of said goal painted right inside of it. (i.e. 2004 when point values were painted right on the balls).
http://img109.imageshack.us/img109/541/clueyl5.jpg (http://imageshack.us)
I think the little guy on the right is just Dave Lavery laughing at us :P
(sorry about the shape, I can't trace very well)
Mao does have rules...I have been taught them from old members of team 237. You just aren't told what they are. :) I might be able to start up a game at kickoff or at the CT Regional this year if anyone is interested.
As for the game hint...usually, when FIRST posts hints, the meaning isn't THAT hidden. My guess...all you are looking at is a screen shot of Dave's animation. A blue inner tube scored in a goal that has a diamond plate bottom with the point value of said goal painted right inside of it. (i.e. 2004 when point values were painted right on the balls).
Last year's clue was pretty darn smothering of the real meaning.. but you are certainly correct.. someone may have already figured out what this "5" means..
DonRotolo
21-12-2006, 19:06
Eh, for my 2 cents, I go with the innertube thing mentioned about 10 pages back. We have to put plastic cylinders (there's a photo posted somewhere of Dave holding one) into these recepticales made of torii (is that the plural of torus?) that have diamond plate in the middle - and there are five such goals.
Yes, this is my first and last post in this thread.
Don
JaneYoung
21-12-2006, 19:07
How did this thread grow so fast? :ahh:
Here are my thoughts:
The number reminds me of a the countdown number you see in old films, perhaps you have 5 seconds to get somewhere in auto mode.
The blue seems to indicate a water element.
The diamond plate is usually used on first ramps, so I think we will be seeing some sort of ramp.
i hate the idea of water but what about a 5 gallon water bucket?
Tetraman
21-12-2006, 19:13
How did this thread grow so fast? :ahh:
cause the hint isn't what we want.
Ryan Foley
21-12-2006, 19:14
going off the idea that the 5 looks like the movie countdown idea:
Countdown, think of it as "timing out" like in boxing or something. Perhaps something to do with match length, or maybe the 2001 time multiplier is back.
Richard Wallace
21-12-2006, 19:21
How did this thread grow so fast? :ahh:
cause the hint isn't what we want.Correct. What we want is wild, baseless speculation. The more improbable, the better! What else do we have to talk about?:rolleyes:
Eh, for my 2 cents, I go with the innertube thing mentioned about 10 pages back. We have to put plastic cylinders (there's a photo posted somewhere of Dave holding one) into these recepticales made of torii (is that the plural of torus?) that have diamond plate in the middle - and there are five such goals.
Yes, this is my first and last post in this thread.
Don
Actually, I like this train of thought. Think of game pieces being the old style kiddie life preservers used in swimming pools (long before water wings were invented) that have to be placed on 5 poles with different point values (higher poles score higher points). Another kiddie reference to this toy that you'll stack the tubes on.
4775
Stack 5 in a row and get bonus points. Other patterns get different points (like Connect Four).
Mannie
The diamond plate is usually used on first ramps, so I think we will be seeing some sort of ramp.
Weren't the steps to the platform in 2004 diamond plated?
Billfred
21-12-2006, 19:29
Weren't the steps to the platform in 2004 diamond plated?The small steps were, and the sides of the larger ones were. Nothing you could drive on was diamond plate in 2005, and then the ramps in 2006 were.
Check this out I don't think this is the last clue i think we are counting down to the real one go to HERE (http://www.usfirst.org/community/frc/content.aspx?id=3712) and it says 2007 game clue but shows no picture.
funny that they posted it 5 days before christmas if you count today. so i guess we'll be checking in the morning for 4.
Correct. What we want is wild, baseless speculation. The more improbable, the better! What else do we have to talk about?:rolleyes:
What do you get from the "5"?
Greg Peshek
21-12-2006, 19:33
Well if you want improbable,
Discordiansm, a weird joke/religion that is based off the goddess Eris and Chaos has a thing called the law of fives. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Discordianism#The_Law_of_Fives)
So the five represents Discordiansm. This tells us the game will be completely random and will be constantly changing.
The "Sacred Chao" is a symbol of discordianism. This symbol include the golden apple of Eris and a pentagon in a Yin and Yang form.
This says that a pentagon will be the central game piece.
The high scoring game piece will be the golden apple of Eris, there will be only one of these on the field and all teams will have to fight over it for high scoring.
And of course everything including timing will be based off of the number five as the law of fives says "ALL THINGS HAPPEN IN FIVES, OR ARE DIVISIBLE BY OR ARE MULTIPLES OF FIVE, OR ARE SOMEHOW DIRECTLY OR INDIRECTLY APPROPRIATE TO 5."
So there we go. Everything to do with the number five. I'm not sure how this helps, but hey, I thought of it today and decided I should post it.
-Greg
hmm, i was playing around with 5 being a countdown... someone mentioned it being perhaps 5 days till the next clue... well if you look at the days properly:
5 days from now puts us at the 26th
4 days from that puts us at the 30th
3 days from that puts us at the 2nd
2 days from that puts us at the 4th
and 1 day from that puts us at the 5th
one day before the kick off...
what if they will release 1 clue on the 26th, the 30th, the 2nd, the 4th, and then one last one on the 5th right before the kick off? just to keep us guessing more and more? I also realized that last years clue...
five 'bots tangling with pasta
a game piece obsessed with a shovel's show
and seeing Montana's green heights
five 'bots
pasta
game piece obsessed with a shovel's show
green
heights
5 hints in those lines, 5 days for them to release another clue, 5 hints till the kick off
we have yet to see another 4 parts to the hint! :ahh:
imo :)
The image when downloaded is 366x274 pixels....
This would be nothing if it translated to a nice number in another unit but it comes out to 5.08x3.81 inches or 12.91x9.67 cm. Perhaps some clever clue maker had some fun with dimensions.
Can anyone make anything of it?
Richard Wallace
21-12-2006, 20:05
What do you get from the "5"?Rings. (http://www.chiefdelphi.com/forums/showpost.php?p=543898&postcount=101)
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