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Tom Bottiglieri
10-01-2007, 00:25
I'm in love. And its with a piece of electronics you can slip in your pocket. Apple, thank you for making the world a better place.
www.apple.com/iphone
What do you think?
Its nice to look at. I like looking at it. I will keep on looking at it, and also my $599.00. $599.00 is nice to look at. I like looking at it. I will keep looking at it..
:)
Rafi Ahmed
10-01-2007, 00:48
It's amazing!!! Everything that you could need and they way that everything works. It runs OSX on it too. browsing multiple web pages, iPod, PHONE, and the voicemail is so cool!!
Cody Carey
10-01-2007, 00:52
Oooohhh, Purty...
For a fully featured Video Ipod with palm-pilot functionality, $599 isn't that bad at all. When you add in all of the excellent phone capabilities, That number doesn't look so big any more.
Not that I have $599 to spend on a Phone/Ipod/Palm-pilot , I just think it is a pretty good value :)
CraigHickman
10-01-2007, 00:56
Cingular is the only downpoint. I'm going to wait until a rival version is offered on a better carrier.
Rafi Ahmed
10-01-2007, 01:06
Cingular is the only downpoint. I'm going to wait until a rival version is offered on a better carrier.
Nothing would come close to it for a while. Plus what's wrong with Cingular. (Apple signed a multi-year contract with them)
It's nice to look at, but I'm not planning on dishing out $600 for a phone any time soon. My worry is with the touchscreen, it will get incredibly greasy from hand oil and it seems like it'd be amazingly easy to scratch up.
I was just watching the keynote, and all I can say is wow. I was recently considering purchasing a new phone and a new iPod because the phone I have is four years old, and I accidentally lost my iPod .. but I think I can wait until June now.
This is just my own opinion (because everyone in this thread likes the phone so much) but I think it looks ugly. And that's from looking at the Apple product page. I wouldn't buy it just because of the way it looks. I rather spend my money on a 18V DeWalt cordless tool set.
Tureyhall
10-01-2007, 03:49
"More RAM for comp" beats "phone i'd use maybe once a month" everytime.
zander_108
10-01-2007, 06:06
I was looking at that thing last night! Its just about the coolest thing i could have ever expected them to dish out! It is a little big but i think the features make up... however $599... :ahh:
MikeDubreuil
10-01-2007, 07:07
I love the phone, but...
A lot of us can't take cameras into work; this includes cellphones with camera capabilities. Why does the cell phone market ignore us?
Adam Richards
10-01-2007, 07:07
I'm waiting for Cisco, who owns the copyright on the name "iPhone" to sue Apple for marketing a product with the same name as theirs.
Bill Moore
10-01-2007, 07:38
I'm waiting for Cisco, who owns the copyright on the name "iPhone" to sue Apple for marketing a product with the same name as theirs.
Looks like the lawyers lose this one!
There was some question as to whether Apple would be able to use the iPhone name for the device. But Cisco Systems (down $0.16 to $28.47, Charts), which owns the rights to the iPhone name, said Tuesday it expects to reach agreement with Apple later Tuesday on using the name for its device.
"Given Apple's numerous requests for permission to use Cisco's iPhone trademark over the past several years and our extensive discussions with them recently, it is our belief that with their announcement today Apple intends to agree to the final documents and public statement that were distributed to them last night and addressed a few remaining items," Cisco said in a statement obtained by CNN. "We expect to receive a signed agreement today."
Article here. (http://money.cnn.com/2007/01/09/technology/apple_jobs/index.htm)
I expect to see a big price drop on Blackberries and Treos once these babies start showing up in the corporate world. I never had much interest in any of those (because of their size and miniature interfaces), and was perfectly happy with my Moto cel - until I saw the iPhone demo online last night. If they can deliver them in quantity, as someone said on Slashdot (http://apple.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=07/01/09/1857231), Apple's going to print money with these things.
I'd like to see Sprint carry it within 2 years when i renew my contract. Then I get the discounted price (which i bet will hover around $100 or so).
Protronie
10-01-2007, 08:53
What ever happen to the good ol days when all you needed from a phone was to make and receive calls. :rolleyes:
I will have one, I think that the price is not that bad for the all of the things that the iPhone will do. I am not a huge fan of cingular but its better then nextel so it wont be that bad.
Maximus123
10-01-2007, 10:27
I'd like to see Sprint carry it within 2 years when i renew my contract. Then I get the discounted price (which i bet will hover around $100 or so).
right now it's 500 to 600 dollars WITH 2 year contract. I haven't even seen the retail price on this thing. I haven't beeen excited for any phone, but this beautiful piece of electonics made me do a double take, then a triple and then a quadruple glance.
Alexa Stott
10-01-2007, 11:07
I really, really want this phone. And thankfully, I have Cingular already.
It's just so amazing.
Come on Apple.
No highspeed internets?
No removable battery again?
No expandable memory?
No highspeed internets?
Bah.
Wetzel
Jonathan Norris
10-01-2007, 11:55
This is simply an amazing convergence device, its beautiful how simple it works together. I would love carrying arround that much power in my pockt, need to see what Canadian company picks it up (probably rogers..). But I would put money down for that phone.
BuddyB309
10-01-2007, 12:05
I look at the Ipod craze and the cell phone craze and just scratch my head. I don't get it.
Joe Matt
10-01-2007, 12:07
Come on Apple.
No highspeed internets?
Built in WiFi? Sure, EDGE does suck, and I think they will/should upgrade that (remember, specs aren't final!).
No removable battery again?
With the iPod it was a different story, music vs. needing to get calls. I think Apple should have included a replaceable battery with this unit, but the whole "fraud Apple battery market" will probably pop up, people will half heartedly report it and blame it on Apple, etc. Rinse, repeat.
No expandable memory?
Same with battery. They should but they have to deal with bad products hurting their own.
No highspeed internets?
Bah.
Wetzel
See #1.
Overall, a solid, but expensive, product. Ah, it's like the Apple of yore, standing ovations at a keynote, big new shinny products, which are priced outside your reach, and that 1st gen goodness.
I will not buy a 1st gen iPhone. Never ever ever. I WILL get an iPhone (dad, can we switch to Cingular?) sooner or later when my contract expires/price drops. This is like the first iPod, they carve out a standing as a great product, then lower the price.
I do have some frustrations though.....
-3rd party apps? Can you install those or will you be locked into only what Apple offers?
-Spread to other providers? I've heard Cingular has a 6 month contract (to last them through the first christmass season with the iPhone) with the phone.
-Price. Wow. I think it's partially done to prevent iPod sales decreases and to repay the 2.5 years of development. Get it $100 lower then you're talking, and get more of an iPod presence in there (aka, more than 8gigs of memory)
Overall, I'm excited and have major gear lust.
Built in WiFi? Sure, EDGE does suck, and I think they will/should upgrade that (remember, specs aren't final!).
Ok, I'll amend my question.
No mobile highspeed internets?
As for "fraud Apple battery market", have you seen a problem with any other phone? You can buy brand name, or non brandname batterys for just about any electronic device that needs them. 5 hours talk time, with no option to cary a spare battery? Guess Apple isn't targeting power users.
No expandable memory because other products might hurt the iPhone? Then use a standard like SD (or SDHC to be sexy). Not including features because someone else might make a product that might damage what you are selling is ridiculous.
Wetzel
Greg Marra
10-01-2007, 12:52
I think my contract with Verizon runs up about a year after the iPhone is slated to be released. I don't like Verizon because they are still using CDMA phones, which makes it much harder to switch between phones on a whim.
What worries me most about the iPhone is not the expense of the phone but the expense of the plan. An unlimited data plan is more expensive than it should be from most carriers, and they better not charge you $.10 per text message on top of that. If you're fronting $600 to get the phone in the first place, an additional $70/mo in cell service & data plan is really going to hurt.
And even though Jobs called this "the new iPod", it can't be the only new iPod they are going to come out with. I expect to see something that looks a lot like the iPhone except without wireless and cell service come out before the end of the calendar year. A multi-touch user interface and big-screen video playing are just too good to restrict to the smartphone market.
OK, I have to admit it, the iPhone does look pretty cool, but I really do not see the need for it.
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cons...
I already have an iPod, so no need for the music.
Wireless most computers have wireless, if I am going to need it I will use my laptop.
Cingular, I have Cingular... aka worst service provider ever! Anyone who has talked to me on my phone has realized that it drops more of my calls than I can even count on a daily basis. I would suggest thinking twice before switching to it, the only plus is unlimited mobile to mobile to other cingular customers.
The price, I think we all know what that is about... free moto Razr, or $500 Apple... let me think.
pros...
You can watch TV shows, the more people that watch TV the happier I am when it comes time for job hunting!
4:3 and 16:9 nice touch, I like it alot
Thin, thin phones are nice
Apple Inc. Product, I love Apple products, my ipod, computers, and everything else that I have purchased are amazing, not to mention the friendly staff that you can go visit at the store when you mess things up.
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Over all I am unsure, I really see no need to spend that kind of money on something that I already have, sure it will be nice to have it all in one place but my laptop travels everywhere with me as does my phone and ipod.
Kyle Love
10-01-2007, 13:06
I really want one of these phones. I have Cingular now, and in this area Cingular is amazing. Too bad I just got a new contract. (Plus there is no way I would pay 500-600 bucks for a phone) I can't wait for the price to come down and for my 2-year contract to be up.
Tom Bottiglieri
10-01-2007, 14:11
A multi-touch user interface and big-screen video playing are just too good to restrict to the smartphone market.
I don't think it will be limited strictly to mobile devices, either.
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=6379146923853181774&q=apple+touch+screen
I wouldn't be surprised to see all computers working off of this multi touch technology in the future.
Using a mouse is so 20th century!
right now it's 500 to 600 dollars WITH 2 year contract. I haven't even seen the retail price on this thing. I haven't beeen excited for any phone, but this beautiful piece of electonics made me do a double take, then a triple and then a quadruple glance.
I interpreted the $499/$599 as actual retail price. Sorry about that.
Joe Matt
10-01-2007, 15:11
Ok, I'll amend my question.
No mobile highspeed internets?
As for "fraud Apple battery market", have you seen a problem with any other phone? You can buy brand name, or non brandname batterys for just about any electronic device that needs them. 5 hours talk time, with no option to cary a spare battery? Guess Apple isn't targeting power users.
No expandable memory because other products might hurt the iPhone? Then use a standard like SD (or SDHC to be sexy). Not including features because someone else might make a product that might damage what you are selling is ridiculous.
Wetzel
I'm no means appologizing for Apple, just trying to get into their heads here...
I do remember awhile ago that Moto and several other companies were looking into exploding cell phone batteries (no relation to Sony) that were 3rd party and crappy.
Word on the street says there will be a CMDA version available within the next 2 years. I dont see Apple and Verizon playing nice though. Maybe it will be available on Sprint/Nextel?
Joe Matt
11-01-2007, 12:05
Word on the street says there will be a CMDA version available within the next 2 years. I dont see Apple and Verizon playing nice though. Maybe it will be available on Sprint/Nextel?
I agree, I also see the iPhone having parallels with the iPod, we'll soon see a iPhone nano or some sort that'll just be a small candybar phone.
As for who's next, the exclusivity contract is only for 6 months. Apple then has to convience others to change their system around for things like Visual Voicemail, and my guess is that T-Mobile will be next, then possibly Sprint/Nextel. I think Verizon will get on board but that won't happen till Apple's selling a bunch.
Oh nose! Lawsuit!
Apple hadn't finished their talks with Cisco over the iPhone trademark and went ahead and announced it anyway. Cisco thought that wasn't very nice of them and so they filed for an injunction. Bad Apple! No iPhone for you!
Wetzel
Michael Hill
11-01-2007, 13:04
I'd have to side with Cisco on this one. Though people anticipated Apple to come out with an iPhone, Cisco DID come out with it first. Also, how fair would it be if Apple tried to trademark anything with "i-" anything or the term "pod". They may have made the terms popular, but they certainly don't own them.
Joe Matt
11-01-2007, 13:09
I'd have to side with Cisco on this one. Though people anticipated Apple to come out with an iPhone, Cisco DID come out with it first. Also, how fair would it be if Apple tried to trademark anything with "i-" anything or the term "pod". They may have made the terms popular, but they certainly don't own them.
Except for the whole fact that they haven't actually ENFORCED the trademark yet, making it all null and void, such as here (http://www.amazon.com/iPhone-Skype-Ready-Phone-Black/dp/B000I0U5HU) and here (http://www.amazon.com/Koss-Iphone-Stereophones-Trans-Collapsible/dp/B00004Z5U0).
http://blogs.wsj.com/law/2007/01/10/ilawsuit/
Apple spokesman Steve Dowling called the Cisco lawsuit “silly,” adding there are several companies using the term iPhone for VOIP products, and Cisco’s trademark is “tenuous at best.” “We’re the first company to ever use the iPhone name for a cellphone,” he said. “If Cisco wants to challenge us on it, we’re very confident we’ll prevail.”
Maximus123
11-01-2007, 13:13
I interpreted the $499/$599 as actual retail price. Sorry about that.
It's alright. Cingular is one of the best carriers I've ever seen. Apple knew what they were doing when they released this without consent/ full rights from Cisco. Cisco's stock went up and Apple's went down. That hurts them even more since they spent so much money developing and keeping this project hidden for so long. I would laugh if Cisco copied that idea for the next generation Iphones and made it cheap, and unlocked for any company. :;)
It's alright. Cingular is one of the best carriers I've ever seen. Apple knew what they were doing when they released this without consent/ full rights from Cisco. Cisco's stock went up and Apple's went down. That hurts them even more since they spent so much money developing and keeping this project hidden for so long. I would laugh if Cisco copied that idea for the next generation Iphones and made it cheap, and unlocked for any company. :;)
Maybe it was a post here...but quite possibly Slashdot...but there was a link showing that the lawyer who represents Cisco (as well as the law firm) for Trademark cases ALSO represents Apple in Trademark cases. Which I find quite interesting...
Pavan Dave
11-01-2007, 19:24
Hold your horses guys. Although apple announched the iPhone, it may not be called that for too long.
They are being sued for trademark infringment by Cisco because they have a product they called the iPhone for the VoIP services or something. Read more in this article, its pretty interesting.
http://www.computerworld.com/action/article.do?command=viewArticleBasic&articleId=9007879&pageNumber=1
Pavan.
Non replaceable battery.
No high speed wireless data.
No third party development.
Seems like apple is up to it's old habits of not playing nice with others, locking you into their products and having to upgrade frequently.
Battery is toast? Upgrade.
Want to surf the web quickly? Wait a while and you'll be able to upgrade to a 3G version.
Want Outlook on your phone? To bad, it's an Apple. Go play with a widget and find out the what the weather is going to be like.
The only thing the Iphone does well is serve as a status symbol, till everyone else has one. Then it becomes an expensive cellphone with terrible battery life.
-Andy A.
Adam Richards
12-01-2007, 18:00
Hold your horses guys. Although apple announched the iPhone, it may not be called that for too long.
They are being sued for trademark infringment by Cisco because they have a product they called the iPhone for the VoIP services or something. Read more in this article, its pretty interesting.
http://www.computerworld.com/action/article.do?command=viewArticleBasic&articleId=9007879&pageNumber=1
Pavan.I wasn't expecting this one bit... :rolleyes:
I'm waiting for Cisco, who owns the copyright on the name "iPhone" to sue Apple for marketing a product with the same name as theirs.
Looks like the lawyers lose this one!
Article here. (http://money.cnn.com/2007/01/09/technology/apple_jobs/index.htm)
Joe Matt
12-01-2007, 18:21
I wasn't expecting this one bit... :rolleyes:
Do you actually read anything I post or talk to you in AIM about Adam? :P
http://blogs.zdnet.com/Burnette/?p=236
Actually, does ANYONE read them?
*edit*
I want to add that I've heard that the Cingular contract is 2 years and covers any future iPhone models....
Apple is finally gonna start selling these iPhones! June 29th, who is gonna get one?
Here is a Yahoo story about it, http://www.yahoo.com/s/596572
AT&T/Cingular info on it, URL too long to post. Here it is (http://www.wireless.att.com/cell-phone-service/specials/iPhone.jsp?source=IC9801j01R00n300&WT.mc_id=IC9801j01R00n300)
Apple.com ads on it, http://www.apple.com/iphone/ads/
Joe Matt
04-06-2007, 17:20
Apple is finally gonna start selling these iPhones! June 26th, who is gonna get one?
Here is a Yahoo story about it, http://www.yahoo.com/s/596572
AT&T/Cingular info on it, URL too long to post. Here it is (http://www.wireless.att.com/cell-phone-service/specials/iPhone.jsp?source=IC9801j01R00n300&WT.mc_id=IC9801j01R00n300)
Apple.com ads on it, http://www.apple.com/iphone/ads/
Uhhhhhhhh............... I think you mean June 29th, right?:confused:
Uhhhhhhhh............... I think you mean June 29th, right?
yeah i did...
alphaone
04-06-2007, 17:31
Apple is finally gonna start selling these iPhones! June 29th, who is gonna get one?
I might. My 4 year old ipod was stolen not too long ago and I'm not very fond of my razer phone that I have. I will however be waiting for some reviews to come out to see if it is really as good as apple makes it out to be.
And man that thing's expensive.. Anyone know of any insurance policies for phones that covers theft, destruction, etc.?
Brandon Martus
04-06-2007, 17:52
I've heard no insurance from AT&T's provider, but have also heard rumors of AppleCare plans for it... I guess we'll find out in a few weeks.
At&t plans are really expensive compared to Sprint and Verizon.
Joe Matt
29-06-2007, 19:16
This post is from an iPhone rothith is with me. Can I have one dad?
Rohith Surampudi
29-06-2007, 19:19
whom iPhone! I really want one now! This post is also from an iPhone.
Pavan Dave
29-06-2007, 20:26
At&t plans are really expensive compared to Sprint and Verizon.
Depends on the plan. If you look at wired or engadget they have all of the math for ya. Its actually cheaper in some cases (plans excluding phone prices).
I saw a bunch of people outside Cingular on my way home from work today [at 6:04] and I laughed because they are part of some pathetic hype bigger than the Ford Mustang according to one of the sites mentioned above.
I don't understand everybody's fascination with with the iPhone? Its iRritating especially since every tech blog on the web has iPhone for 50% of their feeds and no new news is circulating.
Has anyone heard of the new BlackBerry?
Michelle Celio
29-06-2007, 20:29
This post is from an iPhone rothith is with me. Can I have one dad?
iPhone = magnifies your voice, either that or you were yelling at me!
Has anyone heard of the new BlackBerry?
I have. I tried it when I went phone shopping Monday. I couldn't stand it.
The iPhone...it's...so...pretty. But I don't think I'd ever get one, I use my phone for Calling/Texting/Sometimes pictures. It seems to be missing 1.5 of that (I don't like on screen keyboards).
team222badbrad
29-06-2007, 22:13
I picked one up! A 8GB of course!
The question is do I keep it or sell it?:confused:
I only had to wait an hour and 45 minutes from the time I got in line until I actually had the phone in hand!
Jeff Rodriguez
29-06-2007, 22:59
I heard that the Apple store near me got 1500 of each capacity, for 3000 iPhones total. If other stores had those same numbers, I don't think they'll be worth much second hand.
Schnabel
30-06-2007, 00:24
I really think that the iPhone is very cool, but only 4 or 8 gigs of storage!?!? I don't see why this is so. It amazes me that it is that big, yet they couldn't fit a HD into it. They expect people to fit movies, music, applications, and more into that tiny of a space? Please, someone with an iPhone, let me know how full it is before you put anything on it! It seems like it would be full before it even is used!
Nawaid Ladak
30-06-2007, 01:06
Depends on the plan. If you look at wired or engadget they have all of the math for ya. Its actually cheaper in some cases (plans excluding phone prices).
I saw a bunch of people outside Cingular on my way home from work today [at 6:04] and I laughed because they are part of some pathetic hype bigger than the Ford Mustang according to one of the sites mentioned above.
I don't understand everybody's fascination with with the iPhone? Its iRritating especially since every tech blog on the web has iPhone for 50% of their feeds and no new news is circulating.
Has anyone heard of the new BlackBerry?
number one, i agree, im not a big fan of the iPhone even though i work for AT&T.
2. YES i've seen the new blackberries, 8330 from Sprint looks really good and the new 8820 for T-Mobile isn't that bad either. i mean you finally get wifi on a RIM device (8820+3.2MP Camera), and on the 8330 , it has a unlocked GSM slot so you can travel to different countries and use it with ease.
now on to the ifraud, iphoney, whatever you call it.
I was working earlier today and i get a e-mail on my 8800 with a picture of people standing outside of a apple store about 15 minutes away, i show it to my coworker, and he says "lets go over there wearing sucker shirts" i couldn't stop laughing.
anyways, i need to test accessories for the device, they didn't bother even giving the 3rd party accessory dealers any hard copies or anything on the iPhone, so everything was done by trial and error. therefore i have to sneak a touch at a iPhone and test some accessories on it.
another thing, your normal 3.5mm headphones, WILL NOT work with the iPhone, you need to buy the adapter for them or buy headphones with a 2.5mm jack.
about the insurance, AT&T WILL NOT provide insurance on the device, im not sure about apple, but im pretty sure that if it is stolen, your screwed.
The phone has no SIM card slot, it uses something else that you can't change, so if you want to change your device, your sort of screwed, you have to go to a AT&T store and pay whatever they charge for a SIM card ($10-$25, depending on dealer)
you need an iTunes account with a valid credit card to activate the phone, if the phone is reported stolen, when you connect your phone to a computer, it will shut off, like everything. using this when you make your purchase at the apple store or a corporate AT&T store (Authorized dealers like wirefly and my company don't get the phone at all, nor does my company plan on selling it anytime in the near future.somewhat boo {no easy commissions} and somewhat yay {if you didn't know before, i don't like the phone} ) , the purchase is registered into the Point of Sale (POS) system that AT&T uses for customer support etc.
ThankYou and GoodNight
I am typing on one right now and its really easy and epic. I might get one when I get back home.
Everything everyone said about it being hard to type on probably just takes time for some people to get used to.
Tom Bottiglieri
30-06-2007, 10:03
Woo posting from An iPhone!
team222badbrad
30-06-2007, 12:46
Woo posting from An iPhone!
Me to! Pretty cool device!:D
Jeremiah Johnson
30-06-2007, 19:19
Someone brought one into work today and my assistant manager was fascinated by it. I thought it was pretty lame.
How do you like that old skool EDGE data there boys?
Wetzel
team222badbrad
30-06-2007, 20:00
The phone itself is very intuitive.
It's great for people with small business who also have to go to work.
I don't have any major complaints with it yet.
The edge network may not be the fastest, but thats what wifi is for!
I'm not sure how well AT&T is going to be, but perhaps that will also change in the future.
BTW this is my first cell phone and my first Apple product.
alphaone
30-06-2007, 20:36
The edge network may not be the fastest, but thats what wifi is for!
QFT
John Gutmann
02-07-2007, 10:36
As a reply to selling it second hand. I would say give it a go. look at this guy
http://cgi.ebay.com/Brand-New-Apple-iPhone-8-GB-Will-Fly-it-to-you_W0QQitemZ230147872674QQihZ013QQcategoryZ64355Q QrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem
and to the SIM card here look at this:
http://www.techeblog.com/index.php/tech-gadget/isurgery-iphone-disassembly#more-10341
-John
Pavan Dave
02-07-2007, 12:31
Wow. So I guess I'm the only one that had the nightmare on Thursday night where my dad bought a family plan with two iPhones. Yes I said nightmare. I haven't seen one, haven't wanted to touch one, and am just now considering buying an Apple product for the first time (iPod) so I guess it will take a couple of years before I'm jumping up and down waiting for Jobs to come out with the coolest new gadget.
(Btw, I did wake up in a cold sweat after the nightmare, that is how bad I hate this Apple hype.)
Ryan Dognaux
02-07-2007, 14:08
I guess if you need a new iPod Video & Phone then I could see the reason for getting one, but otherwise it's a huge price point that I don't like...
I'm probably not going to buy another Apple product for quite some time now anyway, mainly because I would be on the 5th iPod within two years now, except my AppleCare plan ran out, so now I'm screwed. I'm not even hard on my 4th Gen iPod, I guess listening to it everyday is just too much for it to handle. One day it randomly has an incredibly difficult time reading from the hard drive, and this is about the 3rd time this has happened to me...
:sigh: I'm waiting for the Zune v.2
John Gutmann
03-07-2007, 12:43
I guess if you need a new iPod Video & Phone then I could see the reason for getting one, but otherwise it's a huge price point that I don't like...
I'm probably not going to buy another Apple product for quite some time now anyway, mainly because I would be on the 5th iPod within two years now, except my AppleCare plan ran out, so now I'm screwed. I'm not even hard on my 4th Gen iPod, I guess listening to it everyday is just too much for it to handle. One day it randomly has an incredibly difficult time reading from the hard drive, and this is about the 3rd time this has happened to me...
:sigh: I'm waiting for the Zune v.2
Wow. I Have put my ipod nano throught the washing machine, droped it in a pool, thrown it. droped it countless times. And yet it still works!
What is a bigger scam? The iPhone or PS3!?
Pavan Dave
03-07-2007, 13:17
I saw this on facebook... http://profile.ak.facebook.com/object/532/91/n2232304705_30378.jpg
Anyways what Generation of the video iPod is out atm and is it any good?
EDIT: Gen=5.5 (according to wikipedia). Does anyone have a gen5?
Jeremiah Johnson
03-07-2007, 13:28
Wow. I Have put my ipod nano throught the washing machine, droped it in a pool, thrown it. droped it countless times. And yet it still works!
What is a bigger scam? The iPhone or PS3!?
Your question is one they will debate for the ages. They both look waaay overpriced. I don't care how much new technology is incorporated into them, a consumer product like that doesn't need to be priced at $600.
$.02
Andy Baker
03-07-2007, 13:41
EDN Magazine just came out with an article that describes a teardown of the iPhone. This article (http://www.edn.com/article/CA6457031.html?nid=2019&rid=444384439) claims that the price for the content is $265.83. It also describes who supplied certain parts. I'm amazed that this study could be concluded so quickly.
Andy B.
Schnabel
03-07-2007, 15:51
buying an iPhone...$599
Monthly service charge...$59
going to an apple store just to post on cd... Priceless!:p
alphaone
03-07-2007, 18:47
EDN Magazine just came out with an article that describes a teardown of the iPhone. This article (http://www.edn.com/article/CA6457031.html?nid=2019&rid=444384439) claims that the price for the content is $265.83. It also describes who supplied certain parts. I'm amazed that this study could be concluded so quickly.
Andy B.
Can't forget R&D costs and software costs though.
Protronie
03-07-2007, 19:51
This is just my own opinion (because everyone in this thread likes the phone so much) but I think it looks ugly. And that's from looking at the Apple product page. I wouldn't buy it just because of the way it looks. I rather spend my money on a 18V DeWalt cordless tool set.
I hear ya! Spoken like a true gearhead!
Just wait till the morons start I-phoning from their cars going down the road!:eek:
My phone rings,and records messages... thats all you really need anyway! :yikes:
Joe Matt
03-07-2007, 23:42
I hear ya! Spoken like a true gearhead!
Just wait till the morons start I-phoning from their cars going down the road!:eek:
My phone rings,and records messages... thats all you really need anyway! :yikes:
I've kept my mouth shut, I've seen people troll, and say flat out lies. But for the love of god, it's iPhone, not I-phone, IPhone, or any other combination of ways. iPhone. It's not hard.
artdutra04
04-07-2007, 00:08
I'm not even hard on my 4th Gen iPod, I guess listening to it everyday is just too much for it to handle. One day it randomly has an incredibly difficult time reading from the hard drive, and this is about the 3rd time this has happened to me...
:sigh: I'm waiting for the Zune v.2Whether you get the Zune or a Video iPod, the problem between the two is the same: hard drives in portable objects. Hard drives by nature are not very fond of shocks, justles, sudden movements, etc., and to use them in a portable music player ensures that the device won't last forever.
(Which was one of the biggest reasons why I originally held off purchasing an iPod until they came out with a decent-sized Flash based one.)
Wow. I Have put my ipod nano throught the washing machine, droped it in a pool, thrown it. droped it countless times. And yet it still works!
What is a bigger scam? The iPhone or PS3!?And this is what makes Flash-based media players so much better. Without the moving parts of the mini hard drives in Video iPods or Zunes, they are nearly indestructable. The original iPod Nano survived extreme stunts and still worked. The iPod Shuffle can survive almost anything and still rock on.
This is why I'd consider purchasing an iPhone, but not at least until my current Verizon contract is up in a year and a half. Plus by then, the iPhones will most definitely have more features, more memory storage, hopefully a 3G data connection, and will probably be cheaper. (Anyone remember that the original first-gen iPods were $400 and $500? Now five years later, they're half that price.)
team222badbrad
04-07-2007, 03:59
How do you like that old skool EDGE data there boys?
Wetzel
It seems to work fine to me!
It seems fast enough for me while using it at work.
I use my wifi connection at home on the iPhone and EDGE seems maybe about half as fast as my DSL wifi.
I do know that the edge connection is much happier and faster when you have full service.:D
Corey Balint
04-07-2007, 13:07
I own one. It is fantastic. Best tech purchase I've ever made.
It seems for the most part, the people posting negatively aren't apple fans or neutral for that matter. This product is great.
Cooley744
04-07-2007, 23:25
I love it, but I have verizon. Please come out with a verizon friendly Iphone!
Schnabel
05-07-2007, 09:32
I love it, but I have verizon. Please come out with a verizon friendly Iphone!
Won't happen. Apple signed a contract and the iPhone is an ATT exclusive. But that doesn't mean anything for the future as the razor was a Cingular exclusive when it first came out, now it is everywhere.
It's interesting to read how Apple released it so secretively. They refused to say how many they had/will have in stock so everyone lined up and stocked up with many in hopes to sell them thinking there weren't going to be many available to be purchased.
Unfortunately for those who bought more than one to sell on Ebay, there are many to be sold.
Tim Delles
06-07-2007, 15:40
Wow. I Have put my ipod nano throught the washing machine, droped it in a pool, thrown it. droped it countless times. And yet it still works!
What is a bigger scam? The iPhone or PS3!?
John,
The PS3 is actually cheap compared to some things that it competes again. Try to match thr P3S up to any good Blueray player.
A good BlueRay player alone hovers around the $800 range. A PS3 with an HDMI cable is $700 (with 60GB Harddrive)
The best system before the PS3 is the Xbox 360... ($399... only 20GB harddrive) Then there is the WII, which personally i think is the best because the graphics aren't as huge to me as actual interaction.
but anyways so you are taking the best system before the PS3..
Xbox = $400
PS3 = $700
Blueray = $800
So the PS3 is just as good as any Blueray player... and is better than the Xbox... but yet it is cheaper than the Blueray player alone!!!:ahh: :ahh:
So my answer to that is that the PS3 isn't over priced at all...
artdutra04
06-07-2007, 18:38
The PS3 is actually cheap compared to some things that it competes again. Try to match thr P3S up to any good Blueray player.The PS3 is actually quite a deal, considering that it costs over $800 in parts to produce each one, resulting in Sony losing money for every one sold.
http://ps3.ign.com/articles/746/746482p1.html
Tim Delles
06-07-2007, 20:08
The PS3 is actually quite a deal, considering that it costs over $800 in parts to produce each one, resulting in Sony losing money for every one sold.
http://ps3.ign.com/articles/746/746482p1.html
Art,
To purchase these parts seperately it costs over $800. But Sony makes some of the parts and oursources the rest, but believe me if they were losing money on the PS3 they would not be selling them. The art of business is to make a good profit
lukevanoort
06-07-2007, 21:15
Art,
To purchase these parts seperately it costs over $800. But Sony makes some of the parts and oursources the rest, but believe me if they were losing money on the PS3 they would not be selling them. The art of business is to make a good profit
Yes and no. Where Microsoft/Sony/Nintendo makes their money in the console business is licensing fees for games (and, I imagine peripherals too) that run on their systems. I am unaware of Sony ever releasing how much they lose/make on on each PS3 sold, but an IGN article estimated their per unit loss at around $240. How accurate that number is, I don't know, but they certainly aren't making much money on PS3 sales, if any at all.
Ryan Dognaux
06-07-2007, 23:25
Xbox = $400
PS3 = $700
Blueray = $800
So the PS3 is just as good as any Blueray player... and is better than the Xbox... but yet it is cheaper than the Blueray player alone!!!:ahh: :ahh:
So my answer to that is that the PS3 isn't over priced at all...
That only works IF you want a Blu-Ray player. In my opinion, HD-DVD is going to beat out Blu-Ray in the end, and that's optional with the Xbox360, which I think was the correct way to go there. Not many people even want a Blu-Ray or HD-DVD player at the moment, there aren't a lot of movies out yet in those formats (less than 300 movies in both formats).
Halo 3 is coming out here soon and that's going to seal the deal on the PS3 my friends. No one I know owns one, they all either have a Wii or an Xbox360. No one wants to pay 700 dollars for a console.
Tim Delles
07-07-2007, 01:01
That only works IF you want a Blu-Ray player. In my opinion, HD-DVD is going to beat out Blu-Ray in the end, and that's optional with the Xbox360, which I think was the correct way to go there. Not many people even want a Blu-Ray or HD-DVD player at the moment, there aren't a lot of movies out yet in those formats (less than 300 movies in both formats).
Halo 3 is coming out here soon and that's going to seal the deal on the PS3 my friends. No one I know owns one, they all either have a Wii or an Xbox360. No one wants to pay 700 dollars for a console.
Blue-Ray have signed some of the largest film production companies already. (something VHS did when it started to come out).. Believe me when i tell you its only a matter of time before Blue-Ray owns the market, just like VHS at one time owned the market...
And as for the loss that sony has taken, it is $1.88 billion in the last year... However the sales for the PS3 already are higher than the sales for the PS2 at the same time of each of the systems life... and the PS2 made Sony the largest money yet, even after a lose of around $1 billion for start up..
Joe Matt
07-07-2007, 01:13
And as for the loss that sony has taken, it is $1.88 billion in the last year... However the sales for the PS3 already are higher than the sales for the PS2 at the same time of each of the systems life... and the PS2 made Sony the largest money yet, even after a lose of around $1 billion for start up..
That was due to low supplies of the system, not lack of consumer interest, as is the case with the PS3. I go to stores and see PS3s in stock, and no Wiis, and a few 360s (depending on when I go and where.) I see games leaving the PS3 and going either multi-platform, or ditching the platform all together. It'll take quite a bit on Sony's part to get back in the race...
Tim Delles
07-07-2007, 01:38
That was due to low supplies of the system, not lack of consumer interest, as is the case with the PS3. I go to stores and see PS3s in stock, and no Wiis, and a few 360s (depending on when I go and where.) I see games leaving the PS3 and going either multi-platform, or ditching the platform all together. It'll take quite a bit on Sony's part to get back in the race...
The WII isn't in stock because Nintendo only releases about 100k to the states about every 1 and a half weeks, while the PS3 is constantly kept in stock. When my store goes under 6 we typically get around 8 more in stock within a few days... we sell at least 1 PS3 a day... given the interest is low in the PS3, but the again the game base for it are light as well.. which sony knew when they released it. Give it 6-9 months and there will be a game that propels the PS3 (similiar to what GTA did for the PS2)
Joe Matt
07-07-2007, 01:49
The WII isn't in stock because Nintendo only releases about 100k to the states about every 1 and a half weeks, while the PS3 is constantly kept in stock. When my store goes under 6 we typically get around 8 more in stock within a few days... we sell at least 1 PS3 a day... given the interest is low in the PS3, but the again the game base for it are light as well.. which sony knew when they released it. Give it 6-9 months and there will be a game that propels the PS3 (similiar to what GTA did for the PS2)
So? What I'm trying to figure out is how 300k of systems is bad while 130k of systems is good? And how the PS3 is just waiting to take off with a lack of any great signature exclusive game? GTA's on the 360, Killzone is only a PR piece to combat Halo, and I see Wii sales in excess of 80k each week in Japan, while the PS3 is selling around 11k each week. Is there a piece here I'm missing that says the PS3 is just "OMFG so going to totally take off!" or what?
John Gutmann
08-07-2007, 01:22
Ok, I have been a little absent on this convo. But Like said previously the PS3 is only a good buy as a Blue ray player if you want a blue ray player. Why would you need a blue ray player unless you have a sick nasty TV first? And a sick nasty sound system, and a sick nasty uber comfortable couch. I am certainly not gonna watch a blueray DVD on a little 23" CRT.
Look at income statistics and see what system is more financially affordable also. 700$ is 3+ car payments for me. That is alot of more. Now Tim I know your a business major and I'm a silly little engineer, so give me your best shot on that one.
Is have a 360 or wii better? if you buy an xbox with the extra 300$ you can go get HDMI cable (Don't Know if they are included), more wiresless controllers, Batteries packs, headfones, and games. Or go get a sick nasty sound system. Mine cost me 280$ and sounds better then anything my friends have.
-John
ps - What is the hookup diff between blue ray and hd-dvd?
team222badbrad
09-07-2007, 00:45
Well this thread was about the iPhone...:ahh:
Michael Hill
09-07-2007, 07:00
It looks like garbage, and technologically speaking, it is garbage. None of this is revolutionary. It's when Apple sticks "i" in front of whatever it is they're making, fanboys fall all over it. I await the day they come out with iJunk.
I saw the iPhone at work on friday. Its amazing, I'm not going to lie. The only serious problem I have with it is its price. If it were $300-$400, then I would probably have one.. and for every reason other than needing to make phone calls.
Jeremiah Johnson
09-07-2007, 10:36
I went phone shopping yesterday, kind of. I was thankful that my family has the Sprint family plan and that I'm not going to be persuaded into buying one of these things. I like my Razr, although a lot of people have problems with them. I'm looking at getting one of those phones that has the MP3 player on one side and the phone on the other side, eventhough I've got an iPod (also looking to upgrade that, too).
Ryan Albright
09-07-2007, 16:39
I am not going to lie, the Iphone is pretty sick. But i just don't Think I am going to invest in one. First off to much money, working for the state of Florida doesnt pay to much. Second, I just read an article today (forget were) says that the battery only last 300-400 charges. Since you cant change the battery yourself you have to send it to apple and pay $70 for a new batter plus shipping and handle and be without your phone for at least 3 business days. And finallly third, the state pays for my phone so I dont think think they will dish out the money.
Joe Matt
09-07-2007, 16:56
I am not going to lie, the Iphone is pretty sick. But i just don't Think I am going to invest in one. First off to much money, working for the state of Florida doesnt pay to much. Second, I just read an article today (forget were) says that the battery only last 300-400 charges. Since you cant change the battery yourself you have to send it to apple and pay $70 for a new batter plus shipping and handle and be without your phone for at least 3 business days. And finallly third, the state pays for my phone so I dont think think they will dish out the money.
RedTape on MSNBC. That story is completely wrong in all regards.
http://www.apple.com/batteries/iphone.html
"A properly maintained iPhone battery is designed to retain up to 80% of its original capacity after 400 full charge and discharge cycles. You may choose to replace your battery when it no longer holds sufficient charge to meet your needs."
Difference between 80% and 0%.
artdutra04
09-07-2007, 20:18
"A properly maintained iPhone battery is designed to retain up to 80% of its original capacity after 400 full charge and discharge cycles. You may choose to replace your battery when it no longer holds sufficient charge to meet your needs."
Difference between 80% and 0%.On the same topic...
Even though 400 recharges doesn't sound like that much, consider this. With 8 hrs talk time or 6 hrs Internet or 24 hours of audio playback per recharge, using your iPhone for 1-2 hours per day (mixed use) would result in needing to recharge the batteries about twice per week. With 52 weeks per year, that's 104 recharges per year.
Even if your iPhone will still retain 80% of its battery life after 400 recharges, that's almost four years later. ;)
Unless you are a extreme power user who watches a feature-length movie, browses the web for hours, and makes dozens upon dozens of calls every day, your shouldn't have to worry about replacing your iPhone battery anytime soon.
Schnabel
11-07-2007, 17:43
It looks like garbage, and technologically speaking, it is garbage. None of this is revolutionary. It's when Apple sticks "i" in front of whatever it is they're making, fanboys fall all over it. I await the day they come out with iJunk.
The funny thing is that I went into an Apple Store thinking that it was going to be this great piece of electronics that I would be near inseparable from, but when I got on it, I wasn't even impressed. I went to the first one that was available and tried to open safari, but it went right back to the home screen. It did this with anything that I tried on it. I asked a mac guy why it was doing this and he said because the applications are crashing. Usually I am a Mac fan boy, but this was just as bad as windows. I was not one bit impressed with the intelligent keyboard either. I "trusted" it when I was typing and almost everything came out wrong. I actually sent an email from one of these recently and had to send a new one because I didn't proofread the first time and sent it, but boy I wish I would have. It was terrible. As far as I am concerned, my cheep $50 cell phone does better than the iPhone. And I have an iPod, so I am set.
Greg Needel
11-07-2007, 23:09
http://youtube.com/watch?v=qg1ckCkm8YI
Jeremiah Johnson
11-07-2007, 23:35
^^^ Simply amazing... GO WATCH!
It took quite a beating.
artdutra04
12-07-2007, 00:38
http://youtube.com/watch?v=qg1ckCkm8YII was surprised at how long it lasted in there; the screen stayed on for quite a while. Many of the other things (http://www.willitblend.com/) they've blended went much quicker. (I found that website a few months ago while I was practicing being a professional at crastinating for a school report. It's hard work being a pro crastinator!)
The other thing that surprised me is that the blended iPhone on Ebay (http://cgi.ebay.com/Apple-iPhone-and-Blendtec-Total-Blender_W0QQitemZ170129995323QQihZ007QQcategoryZ64 355QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem) is already up to a $570 bid! That's quite an expensive bid for a $400 Blendtec blender and the remains of an iPhone. :yikes:
team222badbrad
12-07-2007, 14:39
I'm not sure why someone would buy a blended iPhone, but I would appreciate if someone buys my EBAY auction.:yikes:
Apple iPhone Hard Case Design with Prototype for SALE
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&ih=017&sspagename=STRK%3AMESE%3AIT&viewitem=&item=270143495349&rd=1&rd=1
I'm looking for some input on trying to sell it on EBAY.
I figured the easiest way to go about selling my idea was through EBAY and so thats what I decided to do.
On the same topic...
Even though 400 recharges doesn't sound like that much, consider this. With 8 hrs talk time or 6 hrs Internet or 24 hours of audio playback per recharge, using your iPhone for 1-2 hours per day (mixed use) would result in needing to recharge the batteries about twice per week. With 52 weeks per year, that's 104 recharges per year.
Even if your iPhone will still retain 80% of its battery life after 400 recharges, that's almost four years later. ;)
Unless you are a extreme power user who watches a feature-length movie, browses the web for hours, and makes dozens upon dozens of calls every day, your shouldn't have to worry about replacing your iPhone battery anytime soon.
You also have to consider that when you don't have service, the phone wastes battery power searching for a signal to use. My phone would last days in ideal conditions (good, non roaming service). But since i'm indoors most of the day, I must recharge my phone nightly or it would die.
ben_0614
15-07-2007, 20:55
Huh, I should have known there would be an iPhone thread here...:p I was about to post the "Will it blend?" video, but I'm pretty sure it's been posted in one of these 6 pages. People do have mixed reactions about it though.
robostangs548
21-07-2007, 22:02
The only thing that I can't believe is that you can't text message, definite put down.
cooker52
21-07-2007, 22:56
You can't Text Message!!! I thought they had everything for it. That will probably stop a lot of people from buying it.
Srry to say, though, I do belive you can text message on it, there's gotta be a virtual keyboard or something on there! Otherwise, you probably wouldn't be able to access the internet near as easily on there.
Joe Matt
22-07-2007, 01:01
The only thing that I can't believe is that you can't text message, definite put down.
The only thing I can't believe is that you can't read. Or look at the device. OR ANYTHING.
http://www.apple.com/iphone/phone/
I mean for pete's sake, there's an SMS button RIGHT THERE ON THE FRONT with TEXT printed under it.
robostangs548
22-07-2007, 12:27
The only thing I can't believe is that you can't read. Or look at the device. OR ANYTHING.
http://www.apple.com/iphone/phone/
I mean for pete's sake, there's an SMS button RIGHT THERE ON THE FRONT with TEXT printed under it.
Oh man sorry about that, that was just a rumor that I heard from my idiot cousin, I gave him a "Thanks a lot" and yeah I apologize.
team222badbrad
22-07-2007, 15:25
Yup you sure can text message!
Here is how it works:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0WtSjCShVcQ
Here is an article I found on how happy iPhone customers are:
http://yahoo.usatoday.com/tech/wireless/phones/2007-07-12-iphone_N.htm?csp=1
Ryan Dognaux
24-07-2007, 12:03
So this is a bit ridiculous...
Apple Store to Begin Charging Entrance Fee (http://digg.com/apple/Apple_Store_to_Begin_Charging_Entrance_Fee)
So much for browsing.
Mike Schroeder
24-07-2007, 12:13
So this is a bit ridiculous...
Apple Store to Begin Charging Entrance Fee (http://digg.com/apple/Apple_Store_to_Begin_Charging_Entrance_Fee)
So much for browsing.
I think that was a joke
Ryan Dognaux
24-07-2007, 12:16
I think that was a joke
Oh, well good. Haha I can't exactly look at digg at the moment...
EricRobodox
29-07-2007, 21:52
Yup you sure can text message!
Here is how it works:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0WtSjCShVcQ
Here is an article I found on how happy iPhone customers are:
http://yahoo.usatoday.com/tech/wireless/phones/2007-07-12-iphone_N.htm?csp=1
Lol, it was a survey of 200 people. From AP Stats that I took, considering that 200 is not anywhere close to how many iPhone buyers there are, their is not a large enough sample size to say that the article is accurate. Notice how they dont say the results of the 1000 sample sized survey ;)
See, I have a Treo, I find it way superior to the iPhone. Oh, a big problem about the iPhone, you can not take out the battery. Something happens, you are screwed unless you happen to be at the Apple Store and plan on spending money to have them fix the problem or change the battery. lol. I personally don't care much for it, I find it hyped, like most Apple products (not saying that all Apple products don't deserve it, just saying this got too much). Plus from trying it out, I tend to hit the wrong keys a lot more often than I would on my Treo. Overall, I would give the iPhone a 7 out of 10 because it has wifi.
texasranger
29-07-2007, 22:48
Lol, it was a survey of 200 people. From AP Stats that I took, considering that 200 is not anywhere close to how many iPhone buyers there are, their is not a large enough sample size to say that the article is accurate. Notice how they dont say the results of the 1000 sample sized survey ;)
See, I have a Treo, I find it way superior to the iPhone. Oh, a big problem about the iPhone, you can not take out the battery. Something happens, you are screwed unless you happen to be at the Apple Store and plan on spending money to have them fix the problem or change the battery. lol. I personally don't care much for it, I find it hyped, like most Apple products (not saying that all Apple products don't deserve it, just saying this got too much). Plus from trying it out, I tend to hit the wrong keys a lot more often than I would on my Treo. Overall, I would give the iPhone a 7 out of 10 because it has wifi.
Are you serious? You're saying that the Palm Treo is better than the iPhone. To start, the iPhone keyboard has bigger buttons than the treo keyboard. how could it be harder to type on? The iPhone has twice as much System RAM as all other smartphones, and up to 128 times the Flash RAM. You'd have to pay at least $100-200 to catch up with a flash card. The browser you get is the only one on the entire market that actually shows the internet as it really is. Other phones just have pages formatted for the phone's screen. God knows what you'll see when you browse a site you just made yesterday.
Heck, the iPhone is even cheaper!
Look: http://www.roughlydrafted.com/RD/RDM.Tech.Q3.07/28CE05EF-2E0F-4912-A62A-CBAB41E0D305.html
Yes, the iPhone does cost $499-$599, but has a service plan that's over $20 cheaper than other smartphones (this is considering that all plans have the same minutes and unlimited data).
Cell phone companies love to trick people by offering free or nearly free phones, and charging them tons of money on service plans. People don't say the Motorola Q is a $2,420 phone. they say it's a $150 phone, which obviously isn't true.
when people talk about how expensive the iPhone is, they don't dare compare it to other phones, they just add up all the costs and talk about how you could get that money and invest it. The same would go for any other smartphone.
And if you're still complaining about how hard the keyboard is to use, I just typed all this (except for the link) on my iPhone. No Problem.
texasranger
29-07-2007, 23:06
It's nice to look at, but I'm not planning on dishing out $600 for a phone any time soon. My worry is with the touchscreen, it will get incredibly greasy from hand oil and it seems like it'd be amazingly easy to scratch up.
Not true. I have an iPhone and I just wipe the screen with my shirt and it's clean. I also do keep my hands clean.
and i've been scratching the screen with my fingernails and i don't see any scratches.
To that part about dishing out the money, you're definitely not willing to dish out $2,420 on a Motorola Q or a blackberry pearl, or $2,720 on a Palm Treo.
Where am I getting all these numbers from?
http://www.roughlydrafted.com/RD/RDM.Tech.Q3.07/28CE05EF-2E0F-4912-A62A-CBAB41E0D305.html
the iphone is actually cheaper than other smartphones when you compare price of the phone AND service plan.
1) Using the iPhone with a data plan is worthless because it only has EDGE.
2) The iPhone doesn't have a keyboard.
3) I like that the browser shows me YouTube as it really is, and not just parts of it. Then again, see 1.
3) No memory card slot
4) No A2DP
5) No voicedialing
The iPhone data plan is the same $20 as the unlimited data plan I have with ATT right now, so that won't cost me any extra.
$650 for a Nokia N95 right now with no commitment, versus $600 (can't buy more memory later) for the iPhone with a two year commitment. The HTC S621 is $390 and the Nokia E62 is $300 - both unlocked. I have seen the iPhone for sale places other than Apple/ATT - for $800. Now then, which is cheaper?
Ktkxbye.
I'll be happy when the Kaiser arrives, or the Nokia N95 shows up over here, or I get lazy and just import. (Or I graduate and get a real job so I can afford a mobile solution)
Not familar with the Kaiser? Let me share with you!
WM 6, 128 system ram, wifi, full bluetooth, triband HSDPA and HSUPA, GPS, 3 megapixel camera, sweet flip up screen.
The iPhone has some serious shortcomings that I hope they rectify in future iterations.
Wetzel
texasranger
30-07-2007, 18:47
1) Using the iPhone with a data plan is worthless because it only has EDGE.
2) The iPhone doesn't have a keyboard.
3) I like that the browser shows me YouTube as it really is, and not just parts of it. Then again, see 1.
3) No memory card slot
4) No A2DP
5) No voicedialing
The iPhone data plan is the same $20 as the unlimited data plan I have with ATT right now, so that won't cost me any extra.
$650 for a Nokia N95 right now with no commitment, versus $600 (can't buy more memory later) for the iPhone with a two year commitment. The HTC S621 is $390 and the Nokia E62 is $300 - both unlocked. I have seen the iPhone for sale places other than Apple/ATT - for $800. Now then, which is cheaper?
Ktkxbye.
I'll be happy when the Kaiser arrives, or the Nokia N95 shows up over here, or I get lazy and just import. (Or I graduate and get a real job so I can afford a mobile solution)
Not familar with the Kaiser? Let me share with you!
WM 6, 128 system ram, wifi, full bluetooth, triband HSDPA and HSUPA, GPS, 3 megapixel camera, sweet flip up screen.
The iPhone has some serious shortcomings that I hope they rectify in future iterations.
Wetzel
You greatly underestimate edge. If you have full bars, it's just as fast as normal cable internet. Plus, there's wifi.
And i can't find a 16 GB SD card that is affordable. they cost like 300 bucks.
in response to 3, there are over 10,000 youtube videos on the iphone.
as i just said like 2 posts ago, the iphone HAS a keyboard, and works BETTER than physical (and cheezy) cell phone keyboards. Before you consider buying this "Kaiser", make sure that it has good battery life–3G is very battery inefficient.
and lastly, you did NOT consider the phone plan in the price. I'm comparing the bestselling smartphones with equal plans. Go to my other post and see that link.
You greatly underestimate edge. If you have full bars, it's just as fast as normal cable internet. Plus, there's wifi.
And i can't find a 16 GB SD card that is affordable. they cost like 300 bucks.
in response to 3, there are over 10,000 youtube videos on the iphone.
as i just said like 2 posts ago, the iphone HAS a keyboard, and works BETTER than physical (and cheezy) cell phone keyboards. Before you consider buying this "Kaiser", make sure that it has good battery life–3G is very battery inefficient.
and lastly, you did NOT consider the phone plan in the price. I'm comparing the bestselling smartphones with equal plans. Go to my other post and see that link.
16 GB SD cards are expensive. What does that have to do with this discussion?
That said, EDGE is terribly slow. With a theoretical maximum of 473.6 kbit/s for EDGE there is no way it can get close to touching my cable modem. I just ran a speed test and got 6065Kbit/s down and 672 Kbit/s up. HSDPA provides down-link speeds of up to 14.4 Mbit/s theoretically. How is EDGE anywhere near that?
And as far as that other website goes, their conclusions are junk. The second sentence shows their obvious bias before we get to any data. They say the TyTn costs $860 vs the iPhone $600, but the TyTn (branded as the Cingular 8525) is $299 with contract, or $599 without direct from ATT. The same goes for the rest of the prices they list, with the ones I checked being at the least $130 more than they are available for.
As for plans, the iPhone plans (http://www.wireless.att.com/cell-phone-service/specials/iPhoneCenter.html) are exactly the same as the regular plans (http://www.wireless.att.com/cell-phone-service/cell-phone-plans/individual-cell-phone-plans.jsp?_requestid=3792) according to ATT, with the exception of the unlimited data plan for the iPhone listed as $20 vs the $19.99 for the other smart phones. Oh, and you have a choice to get the data plan or not with non iPhones.
Apple fanboys spread just as much FUD as MS fanboys.
Wetzel
EricRobodox
31-07-2007, 01:42
It was a lot of iPhone bashing, and I dont want to anger people. Anyways, my plan is i think 30 at most per month with a Palm Treo 700W. I have a wifi card i can just put in, as well as the expansion slot can allow me to hold more memory. Just think that Treo > iPhone by a long shot.
texasranger
31-07-2007, 04:32
that guy did have a point
There are three things to consider when calculating the value of a phone:
1. Up front cost
2. Cost of service plan
3. Resale value
Most phones are lucky to be worth anything after two years. However, apple products such as iPods (which are doing well in the music player market) retain most of that value.
Don't judge the iPhone until you've actually used one (for more than 30 seconds, I hope). It's a great peice of techmology.
that guy did have a point
There are three things to consider when calculating the value of a phone:
1. Up front cost
2. Cost of service plan
3. Resale value
Most phones are lucky to be worth anything after two years. However, apple products such as iPods (which are doing well in the music player market) retain most of that value.
Resale? On a cellphone? The number 3 thing to consider when figuring the value of a cellphone is it's resale value? Are you kidding?
How about things like customer service, reception in your area, interoperability with your important apps, future upgrade path and a dozen other things that I consider far more important then how much I could hock it for. My cellphone serves me till super glue and electrical tape can no longer hold it together.
If one of your prime concerns is how much you can sell the thing for when a newer, shiny Apple product comes out, you've really bought into 'iLife'. Besides, no one has any idea what people will be willing to pay for a two year old iphone, so it doesn't really make the Iphone a good deal now.
Hey, its a nice phone. But it does have some pretty bizarre shortcomings, and I don't think it's worth it. When it can use a 3g network, replace its battery, copy and paste and not crash like a pinto, I'll think more of it. Not being married to ATT would be nice to. I doubt I'll ever want or need one, but at least it might seem worth all the chedah.
-Andy A.
team222badbrad
02-08-2007, 03:52
The first update was released yesterday for the iphone.
I charge my iPhone battery every night. ( I use it a lot)
The EDGE is decent when you have full service otherwise it is not too great.
I'm pretty sure the EDGE speed also depends on where you are at and how many people are using it.
I am a machinist and I use my iPhone with slippery, slimy, greasy, dirty and wet hands. Just wipe it clean thats all! The screen wipes clean easily.
When I bought my iPhone I compared plans and phones to Verizon.
iPhone plan:
$60 a month
2yr contract
200 txt messages
unlimited m2m
5000 night + weekends
450 anytime
unlimited data
Similar Verizon PDA/Smartphone plan:
$80 a month
1 year or 2 year contract ( I am pretty sure that they will CHARGE you lots more for the phone you want if you do a 1 year contract)
0 txt messages .15 cents each
unlimited m2m
unlimited night + weekends
450 anytime
data access for email
The activation fees are the same.
iPhone plan for 2 years = $1,440 + phone
Verizon plan for 2 years = $1,920 + phone
The difference $480 or nearly enough to buy the 4GB iPhone.
So even if your XXX phone for XXX wireless provider is free I figure the iPhone is cheaper.
Now if you keep your iPhone for THREE years do the math.
I realize I am only comparing the iPhone plan to one other provider's plan, but you can compare others if you wish.
I also realize that the plans are slightly different but 200 x .15 cents per txt is $30.
Verizon has unlimited nights and weekends, but I don't spend 83 1/3 hours on the phone during nights and weekends so that doesn't matter to me.
I have to chuckle when everyone complains about the cost of the iPhone because I know everyone else that has a phone similar in functionality is paying for their phone every month verses paying for the phone upfront.
That's all.
Maybe you know of a better wireless plan than I do.
mtaman02
02-08-2007, 19:59
I do not put my faith in something that does not have a fail safe plan.
Point 1 of Why I hate the iPhone - There is no keypad (yeah we are in a technological era but hey if that TouchScreen breaks / or the LCD Cracks guess what you now have a $400 piece of garbage you no longer can control)
Point 2 of Why I hate the iPhone - It uses edge instead of the newer network.
Point 3 of Why I hate the iPhone - No phone is worth sending out for battery replacement if you can't do it yourself. Why should I lose the phone for a couple of business days when they should've designed it so that the end user can replace the battery when neccessary.
I'll put it to you this way when an AT&T Representative talks you out of buying the phone then obviously there has to be a good reason. All of the above in which he pointed out to me and I whole heartedly agree.
Heck if the phone breaks you can't even bring it to the AT&T store, you have to bring it to an iPod store for ANY service.
You know what I'm quite happy with my Motorola Razor v3xx I can change the battery if I need to and bring it to the appropriate store for repair hassel free let alone having a working keypad to use instead of an imagineary one.
Sorry to knock your "favorite" phone but it's over priced and under developed. Good Luck with it.
When I bought my iPhone I compared plans and phones to Verizon.
iPhone plan:
$60 a month
2yr contract
200 txt messages
unlimited m2m
5000 night + weekends
450 anytime
unlimited data
Similar Verizon PDA/Smartphone plan:
$80 a month
1 year or 2 year contract ( I am pretty sure that they will CHARGE you lots more for the phone you want if you do a 1 year contract)
0 txt messages .15 cents each
unlimited m2m
unlimited night + weekends
450 anytime
data access for email
The activation fees are the same.
iPhone plan for 2 years = $1,440 + phone
Verizon plan for 2 years = $1,920 + phone
The difference $480 or nearly enough to buy the 4GB iPhone.
So even if your XXX phone for XXX wireless provider is free I figure the iPhone is cheaper.
Now if you keep your iPhone for THREE years do the math.
I realize I am only comparing the iPhone plan to one other provider's plan, but you can compare others if you wish.
I also realize that the plans are slightly different but 200 x .15 cents per txt is $30.
Verizon has unlimited nights and weekends, but I don't spend 83 1/3 hours on the phone during nights and weekends so that doesn't matter to me.
I have to chuckle when everyone complains about the cost of the iPhone because I know everyone else that has a phone similar in functionality is paying for their phone every month verses paying for the phone upfront.
That's all.
Maybe you know of a better wireless plan than I do.
The iPhone plan costs almost exactly the same as the regular ATT plans, but with the REQUIRED iPhone data plan costing a penny more. So my 'free' phone with ATT costs me 24 cents and the cost of the iPhone less over two years. At $599 for the phone, thats significantly cheaper.
Wetzel
texasranger
04-08-2007, 01:58
The iPhone plan costs almost exactly the same as the regular ATT plans, but with the REQUIRED iPhone data plan costing a penny more. So my 'free' phone with ATT costs me 24 cents and the cost of the iPhone less over two years. At $599 for the phone, thats significantly cheaper.
Wetzel
But when you HAVE that phone, you CAN'T USE IT! because there's no plan so you have to buy a plan!
plus for those of you saying that the iPhone doesn't have a keyboard, it does, and it works very well (the keys are bigger). And the screen is glass (very strong glass), and cannot be scratched. A few strength tests were made on the iphone; one where this guy put an iphone in a bag of keys and bolts, and shook it like crazy, and only the back was scratched. the screen had no scratches whatsoever.
and what if the palm treo's screen cracks. then you can't use it. Please–when you point out a fault or disadvantage in the iPhone, please look at other smartphones and think.
The first update was released yesterday for the iphone.
I charge my iPhone battery every night. ( I use it a lot)
The EDGE is decent when you have full service otherwise it is not too great.
I'm pretty sure the EDGE speed also depends on where you are at and how many people are using it.
I am a machinist and I use my iPhone with slippery, slimy, greasy, dirty and wet hands. Just wipe it clean thats all! The screen wipes clean easily.
When I bought my iPhone I compared plans and phones to Verizon.
iPhone plan:
$60 a month
2yr contract
200 txt messages
unlimited m2m
5000 night + weekends
450 anytime
unlimited data
Similar Verizon PDA/Smartphone plan:
$80 a month
1 year or 2 year contract ( I am pretty sure that they will CHARGE you lots more for the phone you want if you do a 1 year contract)
0 txt messages .15 cents each
unlimited m2m
unlimited night + weekends
450 anytime
data access for email
The activation fees are the same.
iPhone plan for 2 years = $1,440 + phone
Verizon plan for 2 years = $1,920 + phone
The difference $480 or nearly enough to buy the 4GB iPhone.
So even if your XXX phone for XXX wireless provider is free I figure the iPhone is cheaper.
Now if you keep your iPhone for THREE years do the math.
I realize I am only comparing the iPhone plan to one other provider's plan, but you can compare others if you wish.
I also realize that the plans are slightly different but 200 x .15 cents per txt is $30.
Verizon has unlimited nights and weekends, but I don't spend 83 1/3 hours on the phone during nights and weekends so that doesn't matter to me.
I have to chuckle when everyone complains about the cost of the iPhone because I know everyone else that has a phone similar in functionality is paying for their phone every month verses paying for the phone upfront.
That's all.
Maybe you know of a better wireless plan than I do.
This is what I was trying to say all along. I think the government should make cellphone companies put the price of the service plan too on advertisements. It's really false advertising. The ad may say, "Buy one RAZR get one FREE!", but you have to pay for service plans too that cost a lot (especially Verizon's).
does anyone agree with me on that one?
team222badbrad
04-08-2007, 02:27
So my 'free' phone
Wetzel
Maybe you stated this in a previous post, but what phone do you have?
Does it have the functionality that the iPhone has?
This guy puts his iPhone in the toilet, drops it and then steps on it....:ahh:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kopBQhKt0Ds
So what applications or programs have you found for the iPhone?
I want to try ifuntastic but I don't have a mac.
I've tried seeqpod.com and http:/iphone.beejive.com
I have not really researched what people are creating for the phone.
Has anyone found anything really interesting?
Alexa Stott
04-08-2007, 18:13
Maybe you stated this in a previous post, but what phone do you have?
Does it have the functionality that the iPhone has?
This guy puts his iPhone in the toilet, drops it and then steps on it....:ahh:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kopBQhKt0Ds
So what applications or programs have you found for the iPhone?
I want to try ifuntastic but I don't have a mac.
I've tried seeqpod.com and http:/iphone.beejive.com
I have not really researched what people are creating for the phone.
Has anyone found anything really interesting?
You can go to http://iphoneapplicationlist.com to check some of the apps available for the iPhone.
team222badbrad
07-09-2007, 14:50
Surprised no one already posted this.
http://www.apple.com/hotnews/openiphoneletter/
"Therefore, we have decided to offer every iPhone customer who purchased an iPhone from either Apple or AT&T, and who is not receiving a rebate or any other consideration, a $100 store credit towards the purchase of any product at an Apple Retail Store or the Apple Online Store. Details are still being worked out and will be posted on Apple's website next week. Stay tuned."
Looks like I am getting $100 back!
:p
I am surprised a company would actually give you money back after hundreds of people complained of the 33% price drop after the phone was on the market for two months.
Next question is what should I spend the money on in the Apple store?
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