View Full Version : [FF]: Taking Fantasy FIRST To the Next Level
Corey Balint
25-01-2007, 11:26
Hi all,
I've been developing some ideas and such to make leagues easier to run. I'm in the development stages of making some things and could have a system setup for the Championship event. All depends on my schoolwork, and my knowledge of programming.
Some new features will/can include:
Full drafts done in less than 2 hours, or less than a minute.
Indepth Keeper Leagues.
Leagues for regionals, championships, the whole season.
Different Scoring systems.
New Fantasy site.
All in all, the system may be very complex to take in at first, but I'll write everything out and make it all in very plain and easy to understand terms.
My goal is to have it fully functional by next season, I only finally decided what I intend to do yesterday.
No real discussion is needed now, but I just figured I would let you all know that I have something in the works, that could quite possibly revolutionize this system/bring it into modern times.
Billfred
25-01-2007, 12:04
Different Scoring systems.
Commissioner-definable?
Tom Bottiglieri
25-01-2007, 13:01
From Corey:
"I will be the commissioner. but scoring will be league based. Each league sets their own scoring policy. BYOL."
Lil' Lavery
25-01-2007, 21:20
From Corey:
"I will be the commissioner. but scoring will be league based. Each league sets their own scoring policy. BYOL."
Wouldn't the founder of each league be "commissioner" of that league? As typical per any other fantasy sport.
Corey Balint
25-01-2007, 21:22
Wouldn't the founder of each league be "commissioner" of that league? As typical per any other fantasy sport.
Eh, its all gonna be subdivisions run under one governing body.
Alex Cormier
25-01-2007, 21:31
Eh, its all gonna be subdivisions run under one governing body.
:D :D :D :D :D
Corey Balint
25-01-2007, 21:39
From Corey:
"I will be the commissioner. but scoring will be league based. Each league sets their own scoring policy. BYOL."
There will be a set scoring standard for certain things, like wins, loses, etc. However for awards, there will be different sections. The Pro-Awards, the Middlers, and the Con-Awards.
I have a Who's who of FIRST (from Bandon to Joel) who have gave serious consideration to doing this and every year it falls by the wayside. There's even a secret forum that was dedicated to it that doesn't even work anymore (can't post in it). No one has the time to do it. So if you can pull it off congrats, man but this task has claimed many a man so beware my friend. Beware.
Corey Balint
25-01-2007, 21:47
I have a Who's who of FIRST (from Bandon to Joel) who have gave serious consideration to doing this and every year it falls by the wayside. There's even a secret forum that was dedicated to it that doesn't even work anymore (can't post in it). No one has the time to do it. So if you can pull it off congrats, man but this task has claimed many a man so beware my friend. Beware.
Oh, Im well aware of the failures Ed. Well aware. But I think I have this on lockdown.
Greg Needel
25-01-2007, 21:49
why don't we let Brandon have some time on this...
http://www.chiefdelphi.com/fantasy/
Corey Balint
25-01-2007, 21:51
why don't we let Brandon have some time on this...
http://www.chiefdelphi.com/fantasy/
Sheesh, you people underestimate me. Already working together.
:p ;)
Jeremytice
25-01-2007, 21:55
This will be awsome if it works out man!:)
Tom Bottiglieri
25-01-2007, 22:03
I'd like to see this system integrated with other parts of the forum (CD-Media, CD-Events, etc.)
For example, CD-Events knows what teams will be at an event. CD-Media knows which images, movies, and papers correspond to that team. With one click you can have a comprehensive scouting report on a team.
Brandon Martus
25-01-2007, 22:06
That's the idea ..
CD-Events events are taggable .. so eventually the event detail will show some random pictures from those events. The awards won by teams at these events will show on the event detail. The CD members who attended will show up. Fantasy FIRST leagues for that event will be listed.
Fantasy FIRST will feed from all of this data ..
Other systems can feed from this data (exports via xml, rss, csv, txt, whatever)
Two results:
1) easy Fantasy FIRST.
2) (more importantly) a pretty extensive database of FIRST history.
That's the idea ..
CD-Events events are taggable .. so eventually the event detail will show some random pictures from those events. The awards won by teams at these events will show on the event detail. The CD members who attended will show up. Fantasy FIRST leagues for that event will be listed.
Fantasy FIRST will feed from all of this data ..
Other systems can feed from this data (exports via xml, rss, csv, txt, whatever)
Two results:
1) easy Fantasy FIRST.
2) (more importantly) a pretty extensive database of FIRST history.
Fun and informative? YOW! That sounds dangerous!
Levin571
25-01-2007, 22:19
Oh god, my head cannot take in all this information. I wish you the best of luck and I'd be willing to help out in any way i can
Alex Cormier
25-01-2007, 22:22
Oh god, my head cannot take in all this information. I wish you the best of luck and I'd be willing to help out in any way i can
well here is the only important information you need to know. not to pick 1126 ever again before i can.:p
/now back onto topic
Lil' Lavery
25-01-2007, 23:50
There will be a set scoring standard for certain things, like wins, loses, etc. However for awards, there will be different sections. The Pro-Awards, the Middlers, and the Con-Awards.
Why not let the founder of each league determine the scoring system for that league? You could have basic templates that they are suggested to follow, but giving each commish freedom to change the scoring system would be greatly appreciated (at least by me).
Brandon Martus
26-01-2007, 00:42
Why not let the founder of each league determine the scoring system for that league? You could have basic templates that they are suggested to follow, but giving each commish freedom to change the scoring system would be greatly appreciated (at least by me).
Corey and I haven't talked much about anything yet .. other than that we'd talk .. so I don't know how he was going to do scoring. When I first envisioned the system, though, each league would have its own scoring system. Each award's score would be defaulted to a set standard that the commissioner would get to modify how they saw fit.
-Brandon
(todays progress: i can create a league.)
Tom Bottiglieri
26-01-2007, 01:01
Why not let the founder of each league determine the scoring system for that league? You could have basic templates that they are suggested to follow, but giving each commish freedom to change the scoring system would be greatly appreciated (at least by me).
IMHO, that system would be broken to start. Everyone has a different opinion on how the game should be scored. Leagues should be based off of player skill and demographics, not the scoring system. With such a small user base, I think we'd see a whole bunch of leagues that did not divide users on skill level, but rather 1000 different versions of the scoring rubric.
I think three scoring rubrics is the way to go. One way to split it up may be:
1) Vision of FIRST: includes awards. High weight on chairmans.
2) Common Man: Equal emphasis on both awards and competition. More emphasis given to technical awards than "sympathy" awards. (Sorry, imagery winners...)
3) Die Hard Fan: Scoring based solely on competition results.
What does everyone else think?
Lil' Lavery
26-01-2007, 01:50
IMHO, that system would be broken to start. Everyone has a different opinion on how the game should be scored. Leagues should be based off of player skill and demographics, not the scoring system. With such a small user base, I think we'd see a whole bunch of leagues that did not divide users on skill level, but rather 1000 different versions of the scoring rubric.
I think three scoring rubrics is the way to go. One way to split it up may be:
1) Vision of FIRST: includes awards. High weight on chairmans.
2) Common Man: Equal emphasis on both awards and competition. More emphasis given to technical awards than "sympathy" awards. (Sorry, imagery winners...)
3) Die Hard Fan: Scoring based solely on competition results.
What does everyone else think?
I have yet to found a Fantasy Sports league of any kind (including Fantasy FIRST) in which I could not determine my own scoring system. Typically my modifications are minor (in FF for example I increased the weighting of "minor awards", reduced the weighting of seeding, CA, and EI, modified ties to 0 points, and removed the high score factor).
I don't think a fixed rubric system would achieve division by skill level either. There is a very common misconception that the "skilled" and "informed" Fantasy FIRSTer loses to the "lucky Chairman's" player. A truly skilled player factors in where the points come from, and the teams most likely to win the most Fantasy points in that league, not the team who has the best robot. Thus why I have always insisted on Chairman's and other awards being included (to provide more criteria for teams to score points, thus typically creating more "powerhouse" teams and reducing overall parity), but have contested the overly dramatic weighting used in most CD leagues.
Corey Balint
26-01-2007, 08:58
Well the reason I really did not want to split the scoring too much, was to have a certain sense of a true champion. That when you put the 3 split catagories leagues together, you would have a separate winner per category. Or other small events because of that. Say, a Champions League (Soccer Style), that the top few teams from each league would then go and compete in the Championship event. A playoff system if you will.
Alex Cormier
26-01-2007, 09:12
Well the reason I really did not want to split the scoring too much, was to have a certain sense of a true champion. That when you put the 3 split catagories leagues together, you would have a separate winner per category. Or other small events because of that. Say, a Champions League (Soccer Style), that the top few teams from each league would then go and compete in the Championship event. A playoff system if you will.
are you saying wise of like player of the year. or the ATL champ? i see the two completely diffrent.
Corey Balint
26-01-2007, 09:19
are you saying wise of like player of the year. or the ATL champ? i see the two completely diffrent.
Well, no not really. The player of the year would be harder to determine, since we would have, at least in my theory(again brandon and I are gonna sort more things out. sent me stuff last night, i just have to go to work now, so i cant until later), the 3 different scoring systems and numerous leagues. What I envisioned was all types of leagues, ones for only regionals, ones for only championships, ones for both, keeper leagues(My personal favorite). But in the season long leagues/keeper leagues, is where we would do the Champions League. But a player of the year system could be worked in somehow.
Brandon Martus
26-01-2007, 09:21
Well the reason I really did not want to split the scoring too much, was to have a certain sense of a true champion. That when you put the 3 split catagories leagues together, you would have a separate winner per category. Or other small events because of that. Say, a Champions League (Soccer Style), that the top few teams from each league would then go and compete in the Championship event. A playoff system if you will.
We could always run an 'official' Fantasy FIRST set of leagues (3 sets .. vision, common, diehard) .. with standard scoring system across the board .. and then let others have their own modified FF leagues, in addition.
Corey Balint
26-01-2007, 09:22
We could always run an 'official' Fantasy FIRST .. with standard scoring system across the board .. and then let others have their own modified FF leagues, in addition. Best of both worlds ..
True. I'll have a writeup of what I am thinking done, hopefully this weekend...I also have a paper to write, but who cares about that.
Lil' Lavery
26-01-2007, 11:37
We could always run an 'official' Fantasy FIRST set of leagues (3 sets .. vision, common, diehard) .. with standard scoring system across the board .. and then let others have their own modified FF leagues, in addition.
That works for me :)
Alex Cormier
27-01-2007, 20:17
I say that we make a list and to be on this list is exclusive.
this list is the only people who may make a league.
this year's soem regionals are really messed up. loose picking times, teams being able to picked up to 3 times, other issues.
Just a thought.
Corey Balint
27-01-2007, 20:27
Due to some unforseen circumstances, I didn't have time to further my notes. Ill have them up as soon as I can.
Barry Bonzack
27-01-2007, 21:11
I try to get my team involved in our own version of FF. We usually use a rubric made by Ed, but we play the game on paper. Trying to calculate up the scores myself is a pain. It'd be cool to have a place online I could type in everyone's picks and have the score calculated for me. Would you have to be a Chiefdelphi user to access the site?
Brandon Martus
28-01-2007, 16:45
Would you have to be a Chiefdelphi user to access the site?Yes, it will be integrated with CD-Events and other things on chiefdelphi, so an account is required to play.
A truly skilled player factors in where the points come from, and the teams most likely to win the most Fantasy points in that league, not the team who has the best robot.
Unless said player does not like the scoring system, and wants to pick teams purely on competitive prowess and not on off the field events. ;)
Corey Balint
31-01-2007, 10:55
Brandon basically has the idea of it all. The integration looks as if it will be smooth and efficient. I gotta applaud Brandon on it. It should be pretty kick-gluteusmaximus. I'm just trying to make a more standardized system that will be able to govern over it better. And a system that could make it much more exciting and fun for dedicated members. Also a few other pet project ideas that I've had for a while.
Corey Balint
31-01-2007, 13:21
Check the white papers
Dave McLaughlin
31-01-2007, 13:26
looks really fun, when do leagues/drafts start
Brandon Martus
31-01-2007, 13:56
looks really fun, when do leagues/drafts start
I'm hoping to have something working for a test run during Championships?
If not for then .. then possibly for IRI.
Alex Cormier
31-01-2007, 14:19
PIMP!!!
Corey Balint
01-02-2007, 10:30
Anyone have any questions or criticisms of it?
Alex Cormier
27-02-2007, 07:49
One thing i would highly reccomend is a lock system for regionals. The league can only start at a certian date, so we don't have ot deal with what happneeded this year. a huge explosion of FF leagues and a lot of people joining. then the draft comes along and most forget what league thier in and the draft times are very close to each other and such. so i say, if possible have a system where you can't do a FF for like a last week regional before ship date.
Tom Bottiglieri
27-02-2007, 09:54
I figured I couldn't make judgment on this until I participated/ran a league. Now that I'm doing both, I think its safe to say the system as it stands is BROKEN!
We NEED these improvements!
Here is another "edge" I just thought of for later in the life of Fantasy FIRST. Silent/open auction drafting. I'm not sure if anyone else has ever seen this in other "fantasy" games, but pretty much here is how it works:
Each player is alloted a certain amount of money/coins/whatever (100 for example). Then drafting goes on for 1 week (or another set time.) then, people place bids on teams they want on their team. The only different in a silent auction draft from an open auction draft is that in the silent you do not see what others are biding, so you must decide how much a certain team is worth to you. Each player can have up to 4 teams with a minimum of 1. And if at the end of the auction you end up with no teams because you did not win any of the "auctions" then you can pick a team(s) from the open pool (the left-overs) for free.
What about just simply approaching Yahoo and see if they can design a Fantasy FIRST app to their Fantasy Sports pages.
The worst thing they can say is no.
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