ARCHIMEDES DIVISION - 2007

[slickguy2007]

So what does everyone think?

Archimedes 2007:
4
27
47
58
66
71
85
95
100
107
120
125
138
155
175
179
192
223
233
238
254
288
293
302
329
337
342
354
364
386
435
462
494
522
555
611
619
677
714
768
829
832
857
904
935
997
1013
1029
1086
1111
1127
1153
1216
1266
1302
1323
1403
1458
1501
1506
1516
1533
1559
1598
1601
1646
1662
1683
1713
1731
1745
1795
1824
1868
1912
1946
1997
2029
2053
2062
2081
2134
2161
2180
2234
2274


There are some powerhouse teams in this division. This should be fun. I am definitely looking forward to finals.

[Tom Bottiglieri]

I predict this division will have some very surprising matches. Don't be shocked to see some rookies in the top 8, and scores less than 20 in elims.

[sam364]

i'm excited. it will be fun to play with some of the teams that i've seen at lone star and the bayou. i've been wanting to get a closer look at 1501's lifts too

[Guy Davidson]

Impressions:
-I'd watch for Woodside, team 100. They have a great scoring machine coming from the West, and also got scoring in autonomous down. Their grabber is awesome.
-Pink and the Poofs meet again. Both of them have amazing scoring machines. Watch out for them if they team up.
This is all I can recognize from what I've seen, but this division looks impressive.

[Astronouth7303]

904 didn't have the strongest showing at West Mich. We've fixed that and we're going to bounce back hard. (Just an FYI.)

I predict this division will have some very surprising matches. Don't be shocked to see some rookies in the top 8, and scores less than 20 in elims.

Indeed. Knowing the defense at the last few regionals, you can bet that strategy will be high enough that you will not easily be left alone. Ramping will be a necessity (Think about it: if defense is strong enough that you can score maybe 16 points, ramping for 45~60pts is going to be huge.)

We have Beatty, BOB, and Chief Delphi. 3 robots that can grab and have ramps. Plus they've done well at their regionals, IIRC. Put big stars next to these teams.

I would not be surprised, in fact, if there was nothing breaking 200 at all of nats. At least half of the teams going are regional winners. 2/3 of the other half is chairman's and engineering inspiration award winners. Even if they didn't win a regional, 5/6 of the teams there will have it together.

This is probably obvious to those who have gone. For those of us that haven't: Buckle up. This, I'm suspecting, is going to be a particularly exciting year.

[EricLeifermann]

I can't wait, I'm really excited to see some teams i haven't seen in a couple of years!

[Rafi Ahmed]

We have Beatty, BOB, and Chief Delphi. 3 robots that can grab and have ramps. Plus they've done well at their regionals, IIRC. Put big stars next to these teams.

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Don't forget the poofs. They have their ramps on and did pretty well at all their regionals.

[pakratt1991]

Go ramping!
It's worked at 2 regionals so far :-)
I think it looks like an awesome Devision :)

[Goober!!!]

Looks like a whole bunch of ramps/lifts are in this division its going to be tuff!!!:D :D :D

[Ryan Dognaux]

Teams to watch: Element, Rush, The Chief, Hammond, BOB, R.O.B.O.T.I.C.S., GUNN, Pink, Poofs, Dragons, Martians, Digital Goats, THRUST, and how can I forget - Precision Guessworks. We've had some trouble at our regionals, looking to put that behind us and make this the real deal. Watch out for us, our ramps will be working and our drive will be pushing thanks to an easy wheel switch out.

[Masterfork]

i am so exicited i just hope we are done with the radio problems cus that has hurt us at both ucf and vegas in finals but gooluck and see u next week and watch out pink is coming lol see ya can't wait to play with you all and agianst

[bhweezer]

Don't forget to keep your eyes out for 364 .. I may be a little biased, but being finalists at two regionals this season is pretty dang good.

[Josh Murphy]

This looks like it is going to be a fun division to play in. I can't wait until next week, but see everyone there.:)

[JackN]

All I have to say is 71, 494, and 435.:)

Looks like a tough division though. The number of great hangers/hybrids is better than the number of good ramps. The teams that are there are all very good. I already have started my pick list.

If anyone in Archimedes wants to collaborate with team 494 on scouting we would love to introduce you to our system. Please PM me if you want more details.

[Swampdude]

This will be 179's 3rd year in a row in Archimedes. Each year we lose to 217 in the finals. Thank God they're in Galileo.... Last year we beat them the first match, but they got us twice after that, then went on to win the whole thing...
Check out my regional performance ranking sheet (http://www.chiefdelphi.com/media/papers/download/2023), to get a feel for how the teams in Archi did at their regionals during seeding.

Regional Regional
Winners Finalists
293 364
100 179
1516 302
997 386
494 1533
832
175
254
935
1912
1216
354
1824
1127
342
1302
555
125
1713
1997
2274
1458
462
829
1013
1745


I don't think its safe to assume the Veteran teams are going to do well. There will only be 6-7 seeding matches most likely. Therefore anybody can make it in the top 8. There are a lot of strong high number teams in this division, they have the advantage with the match algorithm pairings. Therefore they will most likely be putting together the alliance that goes to Einstien. Scouting will be at a premium. Its hard to judge 86 teams in just 6 matches. Better do your homework people!

[Sgraff_SRHS06]

Watch out for the Technowarriors (768) and Spike (293)! Those robots look really good and may cause a few upsets here and there.

[b-rant]

wow it feels good to be in section "B" we finally get to play with all the old school guys during qualifiers hehe

[=Martin=Taylor=]

Wow, could Archimedes be last year's Newton?

As said before, there seem to be a lot of hybrids. That should make for some interesting game-play; perhaps more scoring and less bashing...

Team 100, will likely have a fully functional Auto mode by Champs. We’ve got both our gyro and camera working - just need to put them together.

We've also improved our drive-train enormously - it should turn smoother with less bouncing.

Looks like the whole Davis/Sac alliance is on Archimedes -1458,997,100 :D


Are we the only team in this division with a "roller" style manipulator?

[Robo_Coyote]

A lot of robots from Davis/Sac, Really excited to be in this division We got our robot consistently scoring 3-4 tubes a game we fought hard against 100/997 alliance just didn't get enough offence oh well at least we lost to the winners. Maybe a return of the cotton candy alliance? 233/1323. All teams just remember to ask what can blue to for you?

[Tom Bottiglieri]

Are we the only team in this division with a "roller" style manipulator?
233

[b-rant]

it's going to be tons of fun just imagine this
http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a181/bebo07/bot.jpg
plus this
http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a181/bebo07/cheer.jpg
just a warning some teams might want to bring ear plugs because there was a lot of complaining in 05 about us being too loud but there is no way i can keep everybody from cheering

[Duke_of_Hazard]

Are we the only team in this division with a "roller" style manipulator?

To answer your question, and to indulge your interest....

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-611309647924038276&q=roccobot+2k7&hl=en

[pakratt1991]

OMGOSH!
YAY!
that's super amazing!
I can't believe the whole alliance is here!
Woot!!!
It'll be awesome to play with you guys again :-)

[Tim Delles]

Here is some info you may or may not find interesting. Just on some data mining i was doing.

4 - Regional Champ
100 - Regional Champ
125 - Regional Champ
175 - Regional Champ
179 - Regional Finalist
254 - Regional Champ (2x)
293 - Regional Champ
302 - Regional FInalist
337 - Regional Champ
342 - Regional Champ
354 - Regional Finalist
364 - Regional Finalist
386 - Regional FInalist
462 - Regional Champ
494 - Regional Champ , Regional Finalist
555 - Regional Champ
829 - Regional Champ
832 - Regional Champ
904 - Regional Champ
935 - Regional Champ
997 - Regional Champ (2x)
1013 - Regional Champ
1127 - Regional Champ
1216 - Regional Champ
1302 - Regional Champ
1458 - Regional Champ
1516 - Regional Champ
1533 - Regional Finalist
1713 - Regional Champ
1745 - Regional Champ
1824 - Regional Champ
1912 - Regional Champ
1997 - Regional Champ
2274 - Regional Champ

[Alpha 997]

Here is some info you may or may not find interesting. Just on some data mining i was doing.

4 - Regional Champ
100 - Regional Champ
125 - Regional Champ
175 - Regional Champ
179 - Regional Finalist
254 - Regional Champ (2x)
293 - Regional Champ
302 - Regional FInalist
337 - Regional Champ
342 - Regional Champ
354 - Regional Finalist
364 - Regional Finalist
386 - Regional FInalist
462 - Regional Champ
494 - Regional Champ , Regional Finalist
555 - Regional Champ
829 - Regional Champ
832 - Regional Champ
904 - Regional Champ
935 - Regional Champ
997 - Regional Champ (2x)
1013 - Regional Champ
1127 - Regional Champ
1216 - Regional Champ
1302 - Regional Champ
1458 - Regional Champ
1516 - Regional Champ
1533 - Regional Finalist
1713 - Regional Champ
1745 - Regional Champ
1824 - Regional Champ
1912 - Regional Champ
1997 - Regional Champ
2274 - Regional Champ

Sweet. I'm personally scare of the Poofs. It's really nice that all our aliance team from Davis is in here with us. :D

[Nica F.]

a lot of my favorite teams in one spot? oh my. i feel a little overwhelmed.....


:D see you all soon!

[slickguy2007]

What might be helpful is if every team were to place pics of their robot on this thread for pre-scouting purposes. I know teams like mine, 1403, don't have too many people going so every bit helps. Try to pick photos that allow for a good view of the robot. I'll start!

Team 1403:
http://www.chiefdelphi.com/media/photos/27737
http://www.chiefdelphi.com/media/photos/27736

[DRH2o]

1598 is looking forward to it. We have made chamges to the "talons" to speed things up. Great drivetrain. Can reach high, climb, and push.

http://www.virginiafirst.org/FRC/images/thurs/target91.html
http://www.virginiafirst.org/FRC/images/sat/target77.html
http://www.virginiafirst.org/FRC/images/sat/target78.html

[Wayne Doenges]

To toot my teams horn
Team 1501 - Second seeded at Boilermaker. Lifted for 435 points.

[dipmeinaluminum]

http://www.chiefdelphi.com/media/img/691/691536dc4556845f6831cb43d41b7e3b_l.jpg


For Scouting Team 354

RIT Regional Finalist & NYC Regional Champ

[JoeXIII'007]

Shameless Self Promotion

Team 66

Great Lakes: 0-7-1 :(

Buckeye: 6-2-0 :) Went to Semis Only to be Shut Down by the better of 2 equals - Delphi ELITE 48 and their alliance - With their better ramps and better drive.

Champs: who knows :rolleyes:, I stay optimistic.

Other than that, it is really cool to see RUSH, BEAST, and Martians are landing on the same field this year. Makes me feel REAL comfortable.

-Joe

[Brandon Holley]

This is a personal message to 3 certain teams that I have admired my entire FIRST career..... TEAMs 71, 254, and 494

I have watched you guys since I was a little frosh back in high school. I have dreamed to play with you, or even against you. In my 6+ years in FIRST, never once has my team competed with/against any one of you. I hope this year is the year (and were preferably on the same alliance) ;)... if not, so be it, we'll give you our best shot!

[Goober!!!]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cJuxH_nHp8w

here is a link for ones that would like to some of 1501's lifting!!!:D :D :D

[AdmiralAllen]

Hey, for everyone that knows about the Davis Quarter finals match that went for a whopin 5 Rounds against a number 1 seed!

there alliance captian 1662 is there.......

[laultima]

Im bringing my 100 hat, just incase were with 100 or 997 again. that would make me happy.

[Brian Beatty]

This is a personal message to 3 certain teams that I have admired my entire FIRST career..... TEAMs 71, 254, and 494

I have watched you guys since I was a little frosh back in high school. I have dreamed to play with you, or even against you. In my 6+ years in FIRST, never once has my team competed with/against any one of you. I hope this year is the year (and were preferably on the same alliance) ;)... if not, so be it, we'll give you our best shot!

Brandon;

We had a great run together in 2001 resulting in a national championship.


Brian Beatty

[Josh Fox]

Are we the only team in this division with a "roller" style manipulator?

Team RUSH does

[Astronouth7303]

Hey, for everyone that knows about the Davis Quarter finals match that went for a whopin 5 Rounds against a number 1 seed!

there alliance captian 1662 is there.......

Sounds an awful lot like the Midwest Regional finals matches - #7 seed against #1 seed. Except that the caption (111) is in Newton.

BTW, anything to say here other than "we're gonna rock nats!"?

[slickguy2007]

Archimedes:

I am looking forward to seeing 175 in action. I thoroughly enjoy watching them play because you can count on them putting on a great show. I know Buzz has been on the Einstein field before and I am willing to bet they'll put up a fight for another chance.

From what I understand team 71 is a force to watch out for. I haven't personally seen them in action, but I've heard great things.. I mean comon' its Hammond.:)

Team 254... the CHEESY POOFS! This is one team everyone strives to be like. A regional win every year I believe? Their bot is extremely quick this year and if left alone they can be devastating.

Team 233, Think Pink has always been great. When I heard they were rebuilding their 2005 robot, I knew they started the formula for another dominating robot. They had their issues this year, but I think they straightened them out now. I wouldn't be surprised if they start putting up 7+ a match consistently.

Team 179, Swamp Thing is a quick scorer. If by some really slim chance that they fall to the 2nd round and get with 2 other great scorers, Archimedes will have the Championship event in the bag.

Team 125, Nutrons. Another great robot that can certainly deliver. I wouldn't be surprised if they end up in the top eight.

Team 494, the Martians. I have heard great things about their robot and I'll be watching out for them in qualifying rounds.

[JackN]

Team 494, the Martians. I have heard great things about their robot and I'll be watching out for them in qualifying rounds.

Just once I want to be under the radar.

[Conor Ryan]

Archimedes - The Only Division where screwing around gets us somewhere.

On a more focused note though, this division seriously looks like it will do something beyond the normal in Atlanta. If Tim's Data mining is correct (and thats quite a long list of winners and runners up) it should be a very competitive field. And if it isn't competitive on the field, you will see some awards come out of this division, there are a lot of Chairmans and EI teams here too.

I predict this division will have some very surprising matches. Don't be shocked to see some rookies in the top 8, and scores less than 20 in elims.
Scores less than 20 because everyone is scoring on the rack and they aren't able to get rows, you might see 10 tubes on the rack but only 20 points scored, it is possible to do this with the amount these robots are capable of.

[b-rant]

I believe this is our robot groups if I understand it correctly

Group "A" Bots
4
27
47
58
66
71
85
95
100
107
120
125
138
155
175
179
192
223
233
238
254
288
293
302
329
337
342
354

Group "B" Bots

364
386
435
462
494
522
555
611
619
677
714
768
829
832
857
904
935
997
1013
1029
1086
1111
1127
1153
1216
1266
1302
1323
1403

Group "C" Bots

1458
1501
1506
1516
1533
1559
1598
1601
1646
1662
1683
1713
1731
1745
1795
1824
1868
1912
1946
1997
2029
2053
2062
2081
2134
2161
2180
2234
2274

[pakratt1991]

I don't think there is really a way to rank robots like that.
A teams performance varies based on; the way they work with other teams; their driver and drive style, and who they are against.

Plus it's all from a personal point of view

[Greg Needel]

I don't think there is really a way to rank robots like that.
A teams performance varies based on; the way they work with other teams; their driver and drive style, and who they are against.


If you are referring to the A,B,C, that is above it isn't a ranking it is the way that the scoring system groups the teams for the purpose of creating matches. Each match will have and ABC vs ABC. Most people agree that this is not a good way to do it, but that is how it is done so we must accept it.

[Tom Bishop]

I don't think there is really a way to rank robots like that.
A teams performance varies based on; the way they work with other teams; their driver and drive style, and who they are against.

Plus it's all from a personal point of view

I think he is refering to the alliance selection algorythm as opposed to a straight ranking of teams.

Of course, team number predicting performance is sort of the reason for this particular craziness.

[The Lucas]

Wow, no one did an Algorithm of Death (http://www.chiefdelphi.com/forums/showpost.php?p=611748&postcount=10) Post for Archimedes. I thought those were all done Thursday.

I have a copy of Tom Bottiglieri's spreadsheet so here are the Pools and first round of matches


Vet Mid Rook
4 364 1458
27 386 1501
47 435 1506
58 462 1516
66 494 1533
71 522 1559
85 555 1598
95 611 1601
100 619 1646
107 677 1662
120 714 1683
125 768 1713
138 829 1731
155 832 1745
175 857 1795
179 904 1824
192 935 1868
223 997 1912
233 1013 1946
238 1029 1997
254 1086 2029
288 1111 2053
293 1127 2062
302 1153 2081
329 1216 2134
337 1266 2161
342 1302 2180
354 1323 2234
1403 2274

Match Red 1 Red 2 Red 3 Blue 1 Blue 2 Blue 2
1 4 364 1458 27 386 1501
2 47 435 1506 58 462 1516
3 66 494 1533 71 522 1559
4 85 555 1598 95 611 1601
5 100 619 1646 107 677 1662
6 120 714 1683 125 768 1713
7 138 829 1731 155 832 1745
8 175 857 1795 179 904 1824
9 192 935 1868 223 997 1912
10 233 1013 1946 238 1029 1997
11 254 1086 2029 288 1111 2053
12 293 1127 2062 302 1153 2081
13 329 1216 2134 337 1266 2161
14 342 1302 2180 354 1323 2234



So unless they change the algorithm (wouldn't that be nice :rolleyes: ) this is how it is going to be (well, except for the colors, Red could be Blue). I recommend getting a jump on your scouting for your 1st match.

[slickguy2007]

Wow, no one did an Algorithm of Death (http://www.chiefdelphi.com/forums/showpost.php?p=611748&postcount=10) Post for Archimedes. I thought those were all done Thursday.

I have a copy of Tom Bottiglieri's spreadsheet so here are the Pools and first round of matches


Vet Mid Rook
4 364 1458
27 386 1501
47 435 1506
58 462 1516
66 494 1533
71 522 1559
85 555 1598
95 611 1601
100 619 1646
107 677 1662
120 714 1683
125 768 1713
138 829 1731
155 832 1745
175 857 1795
179 904 1824
192 935 1868
223 997 1912
233 1013 1946
238 1029 1997
254 1086 2029
288 1111 2053
293 1127 2062
302 1153 2081
329 1216 2134
337 1266 2161
342 1302 2180
354 1323 2234
1403 2274

Match Red 1 Red 2 Red 3 Blue 1 Blue 2 Blue 2
1 4 364 1458 27 386 1501
2 47 435 1506 58 462 1516
3 66 494 1533 71 522 1559
4 85 555 1598 95 611 1601
5 100 619 1646 107 677 1662
6 120 714 1683 125 768 1713
7 138 829 1731 155 832 1745
8 175 857 1795 179 904 1824
9 192 935 1868 223 997 1912
10 233 1013 1946 238 1029 1997
11 254 1086 2029 288 1111 2053
12 293 1127 2062 302 1153 2081
13 329 1216 2134 337 1266 2161
14 342 1302 2180 354 1323 2234



So unless they change the algorithm (would that be nice :rolleyes: ) this is how it is going to be (well, except for the colors, Red could be Blue). I recommend getting a jump on your scouting for your 1st match.

Woah, is this accurate? Figures how our team is one of the few without a predicted first match. Sigh...

[pakratt1991]

please excuse my ignorance >.>
I see now :-P
I knew about this before.

[Brandon Holley]

Brandon;

We had a great run together in 2001 resulting in a national championship.


Brian Beatty

I am aware of this amazing run...i unfortunately was on team 11 at that time....in MY PERSONAL FIRST career I have never played with you guys, and im hoping we can this time!

[ChrisMix]

I just want to throw it out there for those scouts thta you are going to have to be on it and don't get your hopes up for certain teams because it comes down to performance with a little like.

[b-rant]

Wow, no one did an Algorithm of Death (http://www.chiefdelphi.com/forums/showpost.php?p=611748&postcount=10) Post for Archimedes. I thought those were all done Thursday.

I have a copy of Tom Bottiglieri's spreadsheet so here are the Pools and first round of matches


Vet Mid Rook
4 364 1458
27 386 1501
47 435 1506
58 462 1516
66 494 1533
71 522 1559
85 555 1598
95 611 1601
100 619 1646
107 677 1662
120 714 1683
125 768 1713
138 829 1731
155 832 1745
175 857 1795
179 904 1824
192 935 1868
223 997 1912
233 1013 1946
238 1029 1997
254 1086 2029
288 1111 2053
293 1127 2062
302 1153 2081
329 1216 2134
337 1266 2161
342 1302 2180
354 1323 2234
1403 2274

Match Red 1 Red 2 Red 3 Blue 1 Blue 2 Blue 2
1 4 364 1458 27 386 1501
2 47 435 1506 58 462 1516
3 66 494 1533 71 522 1559
4 85 555 1598 95 611 1601
5 100 619 1646 107 677 1662
6 120 714 1683 125 768 1713
7 138 829 1731 155 832 1745
8 175 857 1795 179 904 1824
9 192 935 1868 223 997 1912
10 233 1013 1946 238 1029 1997
11 254 1086 2029 288 1111 2053
12 293 1127 2062 302 1153 2081
13 329 1216 2134 337 1266 2161
14 342 1302 2180 354 1323 2234



So unless they change the algorithm (would that be nice :rolleyes: ) this is how it is going to be (well, except for the colors, Red could be Blue). I recommend getting a jump on your scouting for your 1st match.

well i did post on the team groups but i didn't put the match listens cause i was going to keep it on the DL lol

I was surprised nobody posted it either

[ScoutingNerd175]

8 175 857 1795 179 904 1824

So we have to play against 1824, our fellow NH regional champions, in our first match? Unfortunate. Although I could have guessed that we'd be playing against 179 in our first match.

3 66 494 1533 71 522 1559


This looks like fun.

[JackN]

3 66 494 1533 71 522 1559


No thanks, we have already played team 71 enough times in eliminations at West Michigan.

[Sgraff_SRHS06]

How about this, we get to take on the Poofs in our first match