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Pavan Dave
27-04-2007, 18:30
At 16:11 into MorTorq TV's 5th Episode (http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=3110895832863769934) Woodie tells us,
"Just be careful about the stock market, with jello, gerbils, and K'nex blocks."
Start guessing guys!
Brian J. R.
27-04-2007, 19:14
Hmm......there are red and blue jello gerbils out on the field, and as a team of 2 aginst another team, you have to see how many jello gerbils you can get into the mondo K'nex cage. If the jello gerbil looses its shape (IE you kill the gerbil) you loose points because you just killed it.
There will be two teams of 2 on the field and you will have a 15 second atonumos period to see who can open the cage first, the team that does get a free gerbil. After that you have 2 minutes of collecting and dumping your gerbils into the cage. The end result is counted as follows:
Live jello gerbils (that still look like gerbils) get you 2 points
Dead jello gerbils subtract 1 point.
Lastly if you can lift yourself or a teammate's bot onto the cage, you gain bonus points.
Hmm......there are red and blue jello gerbils out on the field, and as a team of 2 aginst another team, you have to see how many jello gerbils you can get into the mondo K'nex cage. If the jello gerbil looses its shape (IE you kill the gerbil) you loose points because you just killed it.
There will be two teams of 2 on the field and you will have a 15 second atonumos period to see who can open the cage first, the team that does get a free gerbil. After that you have 2 minutes of collecting and dumping your gerbils into the cage. The end result is counted as follows:
Live jello gerbils (that still look like gerbils) get you 2 points
Dead jello gerbils subtract 1 point.
Lastly if you can lift yourself or a teammate's bot onto the cage, you gain bonus points.
haha i think it might be a better stragedy to just leave the gerbils alone.
for me i think in autonomous you have to hook your roboti up to te internet and make it choose 5 stocks that will earn it exactly 500.32 dollars
then it has to teleport the jello back to the human player at which point the human player must eat it using only the 3 foot long forks he has fashioned from the knex blocks
vivek
Sgt. Mammoth
27-04-2007, 20:52
Hmmm the Stock Market goes up and down... as does a gerbil wheel... possibly some sort of ferris wheel structure on the field that rotates constantly? Some sort of wiggly jello-like game piece must be placed on this rotating structure and points are received for the amount of time in the ferris-wheel-thing (like a stock market investment).
artdutra04
27-04-2007, 21:17
"Just be careful about the stock market, with jello, gerbils, and K'nex blocks."...While the baton-whirling Tammy Trimble warns us of no more metal on the robots. :ahh:
StephLee
27-04-2007, 21:34
Hmmm the Stock Market goes up and down... as does a gerbil wheel... possibly some sort of ferris wheel structure on the field that rotates constantly? Some sort of wiggly jello-like game piece must be placed on this rotating structure and points are received for the amount of time in the ferris-wheel-thing (like a stock market investment).
That could be a very brilliant game. Sounds like a return of the autonomous bonus, but with an added "beginning of game" bonus...
Cooley744
29-04-2007, 00:41
are there any more 2008 game hints out there??? and what was the banana ever about in the 2007 game hint??? game hints are confusing.:confused:
Ryan Dognaux
29-04-2007, 00:58
Haha I love it how he's just throwing stuff out there to throw people off. Woodie Flowers, you are the coolest.
By the way, very stellar production 1515. I don't think I've ever seen anything so well produced by a team. Whoever edits and shoots it has a lot of skill and it shows.
raymaniac
29-04-2007, 18:06
Woodie tells us,
"Just be careful about the stock market, with jello, gerbils, and K'nex blocks."
OH NO!!!
Woodie has been corrupted by Dave!!!
Looks like he'll finally get that jello game he wants
65_Xero_Huskie
30-04-2007, 09:03
The game next year will involve stacking gamepieces ON your robot for points.
I have a good feeling on it. :p
SuperJake
30-04-2007, 09:13
Clearly, from the past game "hints" you have to think more about objects/concepts that relate closely with the item/concept mentioned. Thus, there will not be any gerbils or stock markets, but something relating to them.
Now, pairing this logic with everyone's obsession with water.. I propose this: The robot will have to 'suck' water from something that resembles a gerbil's watering thing... i.e. your robot will have to push something to receive water. You'll then presumably have to water a banana tree or something so Dave can finally resolve his banana craze. The stock market reference may be a new way of randomizing the robot pairings. Your QPs (or some other quantifier) would be "invested" in the team pool. Then the match pairings would occur on the fly based upon your teams "worth" in the team market.
I'm not sure about the K'nex, but they may become an acceptable building material for small assemblies. It would be cool to see teams building a custom camera mount using K'nex or something. Perhaps the manipulator that activates the water would have to be K'nex.
Have fun with that!
whytheheckme
30-04-2007, 10:18
I'm skeptical about the K'nex... Isn't Lego, like, a big sponsor or something like that?
;)
Jacob
Grant Cox
30-04-2007, 20:21
I'm thinking next year, you will have to catch something with your robot.
Dunno why.
Just a feeling.
Dreadfrost
30-04-2007, 20:47
My first impression was maybe stacking objects that have similar properties of jello. and the jello stacks go up but also come down easily. However that seems to close to triple play. A hint also lies in the first logo. If you notice Triple play used triangles, aim high and rack and roll are all circle based, and then next year should be squares i think. The gerbils i really dont understand but the stock market he mentions to watch out for so the danger of the stock market is can go down quickly and enexpectedly so i think theres going to be somthing interesting next year.
AdamHeard
30-04-2007, 20:48
A hint also lies in the first logo. If you notice Triple play used triangles, aim high and rack and roll are all circle based, and then next year should be squares i think.
Please..... for all our sake... not again.
JaneYoung
30-04-2007, 20:52
Please..... for all our sake... not again.
wonder if anyone would be interested in linking to some of the discussions regarding past hints...
Dreadfrost
30-04-2007, 20:55
Hey sry for the double post but does anyone have any idea what last year game hint was?
JaneYoung
30-04-2007, 21:20
Hey sry for the double post but does anyone have any idea what last year game hint was?
This might do for 2007
http://www.chiefdelphi.com/forums/showthread.php?t=50637&highlight=2007
+official+game+hint
This became the 'official one'. If the link in the first post doesn't work, post #15 shows it. There were at least 2 unofficial threads that discussed possible hints and in those were lots of references to the triangle, square, circle.
It can be an interesting read if you have not seen it.
----
This looks like it was the 'official 2006' one:
http://www.chiefdelphi.com/forums/showthread.php?t=41013&highlight=2006+official+game+hint
Jane
Edit: I posted these links for the purpose of helping our newer members of CD access and read about a couple of the past official hints, not to confuse or interfere with what Pavan started this thread for. If they add confusion, we can ask that they be removed from this thread.
Dave McLaughlin
30-04-2007, 21:49
In regards to the first logo idea, I have heard from my coach of a pattern over the years. If there is a pattern next year will be some thing to do with balls
Pavan Dave
30-04-2007, 22:21
In regards to the first logo idea, I have heard from my coach of a pattern over the years. If there is a pattern next year will be some thing to do with balls
As mentioned in the previous post by Jane, if you search there is a speculation based on the Triangle, Circle, Square logo. To be completely honest, for the last two years we have had circle games and the year before we had a triangle game. But lets leave that to the threads that Jane pointed out, this one is specifically about Woodie's hint during the MorTorq Video.
Brian J. R.
30-04-2007, 23:16
At 10:11 into MorTorq TV's 5th Episode (http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=3110895832863769934) Woodie tells us,
"Just be careful about the stock market, with jello, gerbils, and K'nex blocks."
Start guessing guys!
Ok so lets break this down into possible meanings for everything (that I can think of)
Stock Market:
rise and fall
inflation
investment
putting in money or pulling it out (replace money with a game piece)
Jello:
jiggly (game piece or scoring object moves and wiggles)
Gerbils:
gerbil wheel (possible scoring device)
gerbil watering thing (possible way to get game pieces)
K'nex:
can be put together (build something with the bots?)
long thin pieces (another idea for game pieces)
This is all I can think of for now, if anyone else has any ideas please feel free to add onto my list
Brian
Uberbots
30-04-2007, 23:24
i think we are going to have to be building something around an unstable object to prevent it from crashing...
GaryVoshol
01-05-2007, 08:36
I'm thinking next year, you will have to catch something with your robot.
Dunno why.
Just a feeling.
You mean like this? http://www.chiefdelphi.com/media/photos/28508
65_Xero_Huskie
01-05-2007, 08:49
In regards to the first logo idea, I have heard from my coach of a pattern over the years. If there is a pattern next year will be some thing to do with balls
There is not really a pattern
2007 - circle
2006 - circle
2005 - triangle
2004 - circle
2003 - squares
2002 - circle
2001 - circle
2000 - circle
1999 - circle(not sure)
1998 - circle
1997 - Circle
1996 - Circle
1995 - Circle
1994 - Circle
1993 - Circle
1992 - Circle
Maybe there is a trend...but not a pattern. Next years game will most likely be circles (going on probability). But i still think you will have to stack things on your robot. :)
whytheheckme
01-05-2007, 09:15
There is not really a pattern
1999 - circle(not sure)
1999 were Floppies... From my understanding, round beanbag thingys that were colored? Perhaps someone with more experience can elaborate...
But as far as next years game, I think that no-one has any clue, or at least anyone who has the liberty to say anything :p
Jacob
65_Xero_Huskie
01-05-2007, 10:16
1999 were Floppies... From my understanding, round beanbag thingys that were colored? Perhaps someone with more experience can elaborate...
But as far as next years game, I think that no-one has any clue, or at least anyone who has the liberty to say anything :p
Jacob
I knew they were the floppies, but i didnt know how to classify them :p :p
Ken likes telling stories about his old experiences, so i know alot of "random information"
Typically the problems that FIRST gives us have something to do with a real-life scientific problem. If you were at the VCU closing ceremonies, Dave Lavery explained that the 10" spider feet represented sample canisters and the tubes represented the padding the canisters had to go into in order to be transported back to earth. The ramping bonus in the end game represented the different ways robots could be lifted onto a launch platform for takeoff.
For both problems, some mechanism were light and some mechanisms fit into small spaces.
That said, the I would estimate that the proposition for putting non-solid objects on a larger, fragile and instable rotating object is a very good guess at what next year's game could be. Not only does it follow the trend of huge problems that have been solved before, but it also would allow for a broad range of robots to compete, much like this year's game.
Maybe it might be some kind of high level manipulator based game... k-nex have to do with building things so maybe we're building something out of pieces available on field, like stack attack only with more of a purpose to the stacking. Maybe some kind of very loose tolearance speed rail/pvc or something...
Jello and gerbils.... maybe it will be like the hangtime thing in the 2004? (unsure) game? if you can get on the gerbil wheel you get bonus or something.
The jello.... eh... well in '06 they talked about spaghetti so maybe it has something to do with... with... ahh heck I don't know. :confused:
-q
Spaghetti = Arms/Manipulators maybe?
Spammy Badame
02-05-2007, 00:23
Okay here's what they're gonna do:
They are going to put each robot in a giant hamster cage. We've got to be able to build something so the robot can climb it's way out. At the end of the game, we climb up on something for extra points. And the drivers and operators eat jello while the human players throw ticker tape at the robots. It explains everything!
Tetraman
02-05-2007, 08:10
Obviously it has a different meaning than about the game itself.
"Watch the Stock Market"
--You'll have to buy more things, or FIRST is going to have to buy lots of things.
"Jell-o"
--Nothing has been solidified yet.
"Gerbils"
--There is going to be much more frantic action on and off the field.
"K'nex"
--K'nex has always been about shape design, different from Legos who is about form design. I'm guessing it's about new and N'ext.
Alpha 997
02-05-2007, 23:23
At 10:11 into MorTorq TV's 5th Episode (http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=3110895832863769934) Woodie tells us,
"Just be careful about the stock market, with jello, gerbils, and K'nex blocks."
Start guessing guys!
It's actually around 16:11.
DarthXar
05-05-2007, 00:50
With the whole watch the stock market part of the clue, what I think is that the game piece's values change.
Like in the stock market, a value can go up or down easily, game pieces could randomly switch from positive to negative, and you have to be smart about when to remove them or something.
I think you won't just be placing game pieces, you'll be taking them off as well.
efoote868
05-05-2007, 23:07
K'nex? I love K'nex. I've got a great big tub up in the attic, probably around 15,000 pieces or so (big ball factory + space tower + 3 or 4 different kits)
I, however, will try not bang my head over it until they release the official clue. Then let the smashing begin :p .
So Gerbils are now an accepted method of power the robot. I hope teams bring spares ;)
I also would not recommend shipping the gerbils with the robot.
SuperJake
09-05-2007, 16:56
I also would not recommend shipping the gerbils with the robot.
There are special instructions for shipping the batteries - I don't see why there can't be special instructions for shipping gerbils. Maybe you'll have to include air holes with a gore-tex liner so the gerbils don't get wet but can still breathe, and design a time-release feeder so your gerbils don't get fat in storage. For those teams in climates with extreme weather (hot or cold) you'll have to make a rig to cool or warm your gerbils.
I hope FIRST lets us know soon if Gerbils will be included so we can get to work on these life support systems...
raymaniac
09-05-2007, 18:41
I also would not recommend shipping the gerbils with the robot.
There are special instructions for shipping the batteries - I don't see why there can't be special instructions for shipping gerbils. Maybe you'll have to include air holes with a gore-tex liner so the gerbils don't get wet but can still breathe, and design a time-release feeder so your gerbils don't get fat in storage. For those teams in climates with extreme weather (hot or cold) you'll have to make a rig to cool or warm your gerbils.
I hope FIRST lets us know soon if Gerbils will be included so we can get to work on these life support systems...
Maybe game is just shipping the gerbils to Atlanta. Whichever team gets the gerbils there in the best condition wins.
Of course I not sure what the bot would be for then
65_Xero_Huskie
09-05-2007, 19:28
Maybe game is just shipping the gerbils to Atlanta. Whichever team gets the gerbils there in the best condition wins.
Of course I not sure what the bot would be for then
Hmm...Im sure that would cause A LOT of commotion with the humaine services.
Not sure FIRST wants that kind of attention..
raymaniac
09-05-2007, 20:10
Hmm...Im sure that would cause A LOT of commotion with the humaine services.
Not sure FIRST wants that kind of attention..
What if the gerbils were made of K'nex...
the gerbils dont exactly have to be gerbils. i think they suggest a moving object that we have to grab and score with. and the stock market goes up and down so it could suggest a moving thing that we have to score on. and the jello it could be a new arena made out of jelly like material
I am predicting green glowing jello on the back of the gerbils. This could lead to some very exciting camera usage with moving targets.
http://img413.imageshack.us/img413/2959/gerbilskt4.jpg
P.S. no gerbils were harmed in the making of this picture :D
personally i think that the game object will be some irregular shape that is not a perfect cube, square, or triangle.
as for the first logo there is no pattern, i have researched this and all of them except about 4 games are involving balls.
Andrea's Mom
13-05-2007, 11:40
I also would not recommend shipping the gerbils with the robot.
Your post has me thinking of the "The Trouble with Tribbles" episode on the original Star Trek.
Jaybee1405
23-05-2007, 14:50
I think it will involve monkeys.
I think it will involve monkeys.
?..wow that was random but monkeys would be cool
whytheheckme
23-05-2007, 23:38
Your post has me thinking of the "The Trouble with Tribbles" episode on the original Star Trek.
LOL you are so right....
This scene comes to mind....
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/a/af/STTroubleTrib.jpg
Schnabel
27-05-2007, 11:10
Obviously these clues are not real and the FIRST Game Design comity is planting false clues in our head to make us think about it. They just want to see how much space we can waste on CD. :D
What, no mention of a water game? '
Maybe we have to teach gerbils to swim in jello....
Nin_estarSaerah
27-05-2007, 14:12
What, no mention of a water game? '
Maybe we have to teach gerbils to swim in jello....
teaching gerbils to swim in jello...I think our programmers would go insane
JaneYoung
27-05-2007, 14:13
teaching gerbils to swim in jello...I think our programmers would go insane
Not to mention the gerbils -
Mike Harrison
29-05-2007, 18:03
WARNING: This just might be completely random, advance with caution!
Ok, I was just wondering. Is it feasible to turn your high school pool into a high school tub full of jello with a whole crapload of jello mix and canoe oars? Next question, if this feat is accomplished and someone jumps in could they possibly swim in it or would they drown in jello? Thats all i need thx. :D
WARNING: This just might be completely random, advance with caution!
Ok, I was just wondering. Is it feasible to turn your high school pool into a high school tub full of jello with a whole crapload of jello mix and canoe oars? Next question, if this feat is accomplished and someone jumps in could they possibly swim in it or would they drown in jello? Thats all i need thx. :D
im not sure it would turn into jello because of all the chemicals. but it could definately "drown" you so to speak because jello can crack and you could fall in the cracks. your not really drowning just suffocating.
robostangs548
23-07-2007, 00:07
Here is an idea for you..... look what k-nex just unveiled.... almost looks like rip-off legos: http://www.knex.com/Storage/KNEX_Bricks.php
Jeremiah Johnson
26-07-2007, 12:25
I found a game hint for the 2007 game... in a thread dating back to 1999.
http://www.chiefdelphi.com/forums/showpost.php?p=66955&postcount=2
Just thought it was kind of interesting.
Pavan Dave
26-07-2007, 12:37
And you can't forget the banana in Dave's pocket at IRI!
alex1699
26-07-2007, 19:46
i think autonomous mood shout be at a random time because geribles hop on there wheel at random time and the stock market go up and or down at random times and then a kenex box is realy random (like mine with my game cube in it?) so ya i expect the random this year so ya ha in you face!?!?!?!
Tottanka
26-07-2007, 20:13
WARNING: This just might be completely random, advance with caution!
Ok, I was just wondering. Is it feasible to turn your high school pool into a high school tub full of jello with a whole crapload of jello mix and canoe oars? Next question, if this feat is accomplished and someone jumps in could they possibly swim in it or would they drown in jello? Thats all i need thx. :D
You know, kinda funny the way you assumed every team has a high school pool =]
I think that the Jello thing just stands for something unstable, not to be spilled or damaged...
Might be passing buckets of water from side to side, though that would serioulsy damage some circuits out there...
There are going to be autonomous moving game pieces with a beacon that you robot must catch and place in a wheel to score.. Human players will release them and once they stop ( think wind-up toys) they don't count.
bear24rw
01-08-2007, 23:12
There are going to be autonomous moving game pieces with a beacon that you robot must catch and place in a wheel to score.. Human players will release them and once they stop ( think wind-up toys) they don't count.
now that is an interesting idea lol
StephLee
02-08-2007, 11:16
There are going to be autonomous moving game pieces with a beacon that you robot must catch and place in a wheel to score.. Human players will release them and once they stop ( think wind-up toys) they don't count.
The bit about "once they stop, they don't count" reminds me somewhat of musical chairs. I wonder how musical chairs could be incorporated into an FRC game...maybe autonomous mode would be at a random time during the game? Say, once some kind of music starts playing, the teams know they have five or ten seconds to get into position for the start of autonomous mode. Hmm...
alex1699
04-08-2007, 21:27
i rember that in the 2007 rule book we couldn't use gerbils to power the robot. im sure you all said something about that. so i think we will need to power the robot with gerbils this year..
which is good so we don't need to charge a battery. :)
or we might need to to some how turn some thing to make power
how?
jello= suger
gerbil+ wheel= generator
and
stock market= cash= power
and k'nex blocks = the thing we need to turn?
???
alex1699
04-08-2007, 21:33
one last thought were the gerbils and be got to build some thing with knex and it could wobble like jello or crash like the stock market.
that it and i no it ha!!!
JaneYoung
04-08-2007, 21:41
one last thought were the gerbils and be got to build some thing with knex and it could wobble like jello or crash like the stock market.
that it and i no it ha!!!
I never could knex with or put much stock in the gerbil idea. It seemed a little shakey but once the wheel's in motion, you never know. :)
Branden Gee
05-08-2007, 01:05
hey, what if knex is a play on words, and we have to knext of k'nect or connect objects together?
-Gee
No gerbil power I think has been in the rules for a while as sort of comic relief and to stress the point of no animal cruelty I think.
Interesting, I would have to go with the concept that the game pieces are going to be unstable like jello... they will be either moving around or changing throughout the game... The gerbils i think would have to be a gerbil wheel or something similar. As far as the Knex go i would have to say the game involves taking unstable objects and putting them together like Knex...
Just some thoughts...:D
drakesword
11-08-2007, 03:44
lets see here. . .
jello
jello is mostly sugar and water
sugar
sugar can be converted into energy
energy
e=mc^2
c sea
ther are 7 seas
7
7 is the jackpot in casinos
casino
a casino is just like the stock market
stock market
the stock market is basicly a place where people rob each other
AH HA
thats it
next years challenge is to build a robot to rob banks and bring the money to Woodie's safety deposit box
BRILLIANT i will get started RIGHT NOW
Hmm... Well that would be weird. If what you're saying is true... You have to buid a fast robot to beat this Challange.
ShadowofaCat
26-08-2007, 16:52
actually, after reading this thread i didnt have TOO many ideas on my own
so i asked a friend with no robotics affiliation to give his best deliberation
"Just be careful about the stock market, with jello, gerbils, and K'nex blocks."
"
stock market has ups and downs
jello would slow you down
gerbils are frantic and can do anything spontaneously
well for k'nex you have to build stuff really fast
"
hmmmmmm...:D
it actually makes sense to me!
njamietech
11-09-2007, 20:30
ok heres my idea
What if the field was a pool (water would represent jello in the hint as jello is mostly water) and in the center of the rectangular pool is a wall. Now on that wall are bullseye targets with 5 lights above them. These lights represent the point value of the target. Teams would score on these targets by shooting ping pong balls at them. this wall would be double sided of course and the alliance on the other side is trying to do the same thing. now the trick to this is that the targets are always changing their values so that you have to shoot rather quickly to hit them at their top score. (this represents the stock market)
Now to make it more difficult there are 3 floating orbs that make it more difficult for the teams to move around. (these represent the gerbils). these orbs would be repositioned every match.
The scoring structure would look like Knex (self explanitory).
Now to protect the field crews, the battery on the robots would have to be on top. that way if the robot sinks the battery isn't wet. a gfci tripper would be mandatory on the robots. also poles at the base of the robot prevent the robot from tipping over and getting the battery wet.
a possible bonus would be that teams would have to drive to a ramp and hook on to a hook that would pull the robot up out of the water. if the team gets all three up they get the bonus.
i forgot to add that for saftey reasons the pool would have to be a certain depth so that if the robot sinks the battery at the top wont get wet.
(please note this is just a fantasy of mine not actually truth)
Anyway thats just my idea. :D
sleeping143
10-10-2007, 17:56
How about the gerbil clue being that we will need to build a robot with legs? That could be really cool. And they did emphasise those various legged robots in their presentations in atlanta. There was a video about a robotic cockroach, there was the hex bug challenge, etc. It would open up a lot of possibilities for game design, too.
65_Xero_Huskie
11-10-2007, 00:15
How about the gerbil clue being that we will need to build a robot with legs? That could be really cool. And they did emphasise those various legged robots in their presentations in atlanta. There was a video about a robotic cockroach, there was the hex bug challenge, etc. It would open up a lot of possibilities for game design, too.
Im going with either...
1. A wheel you have to use/interact with
2. Or balls as the game piece.
Chief Samwize
11-10-2007, 11:23
My guess...
Stock market rises and falls (possibly stacking)
Gerbils like in a cage shaped like a box.
Jello comes in a box.
K'nex BLOCKS.
It seems as though we could see a return of stack attack maybe?
-Sam
hipsterjr
11-10-2007, 12:41
My guess...
Stock market rises and falls (possibly stacking)
Gerbils like in a cage shaped like a box.
Jello comes in a box.
K'nex BLOCKS.
It seems as though we could see a return of stack attack maybe?
-Sam
That's brilliant:ahh: :yikes: I think you might be right. It has been awhile since we worked with boxes.
What do gerbils, jello, and knex have in common???
They all come in boxes?!?!
So i think that it's obvious that the game piece has to be square.
That's all for now.
Team 168 Board.:rolleyes:
Mrpalmere
14-11-2007, 21:33
Looking back at previous games, the clue from this spring is typical and not very telling. One can observe though that in 2003, a stackable box or the 3d square, 2004 a game with balls or a 3d circle, 2005 tetras on tetras or 3d triangle, 2006 back to ball -3d circle, 2007 tubes, a special 3d circle in 2 directions.......WOW here is my guess.....
A combination of two of the components of the FIRST logo like.....
circle and square yield a cylinder or column or pool noodle.......cylindrical object
circle and triangle yields a cone shaped object like a traffic cone (which has a square base) yielding the use of all three components.........
cool huh?
synth3tk
14-11-2007, 21:49
A lot of people insist on the traffic cone theory which I like, though has nothing to do with the clues. But that doesn't mean we're not due for it. It'd be challenging and fun at the same time. Who knows?
basicxman
14-11-2007, 21:51
Hmmm the Stock Market goes up and down... as does a gerbil wheel... possibly some sort of ferris wheel structure on the field that rotates constantly? Some sort of wiggly jello-like game piece must be placed on this rotating structure and points are received for the amount of time in the ferris-wheel-thing (like a stock market investment).
i agree except think the ferris wheel will wobble (like the rack was on chains and could freely move) and the game piece will be something that could hook onto a ferris wheel
Tetraman
14-11-2007, 22:22
Someone should start a thread that is a rumor mill of Who will spill next year's big rumor and what that rumor would be.
robochick1319
16-11-2007, 15:28
I'm really excited to hear a clue this early but I am kind of suspicious. Usually these clues come after Christmas so I can't help but wonder if this is simply a distraction rather than the real deal.
Also, (not to burst y'all's bubble) there will probably never be any game involving any type of water because:
1) It will cost too much to have each arena equipped with such capabilities
2) It will take too much maintenance to take care of a field covered with water (Let's not forget the poof balls that kept shredding and eventually lost their structural integrity)
3) You are not even supposed to drink water around a robot. Imagine a task dealing with water. The safety issues are through the roof! The complications are far too many.
I can't tell you much about this game, but there will not be water and if there is, as a safety captain, I may need some water to keep from hyperventilatiing. :ahh:
MarySheridan
20-11-2007, 04:10
They all have to do with boxes.
take the gerbil to start with
-between his bones are cartiledge, that cartiledge is made into jello
-jello then is served to consumers in a cardboard box manufactured by the same company that makes those for the k'nex boxes
-k'nex is owned by mattell, whose stocks are for sale in the stock market
my friend told me that. i'm thinking that the next challanges has to do with boxes
synth3tk
25-11-2007, 11:54
robochick1319: http://www.h2orobots.org/ (http://www.h2orobots.org/fallindex.htm)
But it's still unlikely that FIRST will have a competition for water.
BanksKid
26-11-2007, 08:26
haha i think it might be a better stragedy to just leave the gerbils alone.
for me i think in autonomous you have to hook your roboti up to te internet and make it choose 5 stocks that will earn it exactly 500.32 dollars
then it has to teleport the jello back to the human player at which point the human player must eat it using only the 3 foot long forks he has fashioned from the knex blocks
vivek
are the roboti anything like the illuminati of the robot "free" masons?:rolleyes:
I dont think this has to do much withthe game hint but I personally am rooting for the return of some form of cuboid. I know there is no pattern to the games but my gut tells me to expect cuboids.
JMHO, vivek
alex1699
26-11-2007, 21:27
i think we got to make a robot go thewe tubes so i think something has t odo with tubes
Rick-906
27-11-2007, 02:08
What if the game involves tossing some smallish item at a wall covered in little spinning doors, and each door has two colors, your goal being to spin it to your teams color. this would be an interesting to come up with an autonomous mode for.
I'm not too sure how it relates to the hint but i have found past hints to be so incredibly cryptic that they serve more to throw you off then anything.
i base this guess off the fact that a local robotics competition is using something similar... and last year their game also involved tubes... so maybe there is some strange relation
Blue_2220
27-11-2007, 11:45
Well my team 2220 Blue Twilight is very suspicious of woodies hint we don't know what to think I have heard some good ideas but we don't know where to start, its even worse then last years hint but I am sure it will all make sense when the regionals come
hipsterjr
27-11-2007, 12:08
Woody and Dave have been quite....too quite. Usally they chime in by now. But I'm starting to get worried, lol.
Andy Baker
27-11-2007, 12:14
Woody and Dave have been quite....too quite. Usally they chime in by now. But I'm starting to get worried, lol.
Woodie never posts on these forums, so don't expect anything here from him. He is a reader only.
Dave, on the other hand, is due for some hints.
Andy B.
JaneYoung
27-11-2007, 12:22
Dave, on the other hand, is due for some hints.
Andy B.
ut-oh
He has a point. Dave has been almost suspiciously quiet this year. Maybe he's learned something, though--looking back at the 2006 game hint thread (for Dave's hints), it's scary how close we came to figuring out the game. Worse, he almost gave it away, but nobody thought to see why he was picking on someone else.
I'd suspect that Woodie gave an unofficial red herring, and Dave's silence is another.
I took a look, and he has dropped a few possible "hints", but I only found about three or four. None is particularly obvious.
JaneYoung
27-11-2007, 13:18
Well, whatever the reason for Dave's semi-silence, it has saved us all from some really bad pun-ishment from Mr. Cokely.:D
cobrawanabe1699
30-11-2007, 23:48
IMO....
The gerbils will be FAKE jello. In fact, they will be small, self-sufficient robots. Your autonomous mode must chase them down and crush them. For the game, each robot must build a robot gerbil using nothing but a microSD card, two bendy (oooooh....bennnnnndyyyy...) straws, and a toothpick. and half an omni wheel. And for the top 8 (aka Buzz and whoever they let in with them...), a paper clip. The lift wiil involve balancing a robot in a stack of 47 gerbil robots. the stack must be at least 15 feet high, and no more than three inches wide. Good luck. The balance will have 7 seconds to be completed. May the nerd force be with you.
MarySheridan
01-12-2007, 01:46
k'nex doesn't come in blocks
At 16:11 into MorTorq TV's 5th Episode (http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=3110895832863769934) Woodie tells us,
"Just be careful about the stock market, with jello, gerbils, and K'nex blocks."
Start guessing guys!
i personally think that this hint just means that we will be using a square as a game piece. stock market, the building is a square. jello, are cut into squares. gerbil cages are squares, and K'nex blocks are squares too.
synth3tk
01-12-2007, 19:50
What the heck, K'nex don't have blocks, do they?
maybe they make blocks out of knex peices?
-vivek
Tetraman
01-12-2007, 22:37
Maybe Dave hasn't been speaking much cause his mouth full of dounuts?
I guess it is time for Woodie to start having a little fun with us, messing with our minds.
synth3tk
01-12-2007, 23:52
I don't care if the President held a State of the Union addressing what the game might be, I need something to feed my crave now!!!
hmm... maybe if we offer dave donuts he will put us out of our misery(give us a hint dave... not kill us... lol.. not really... its wayy past my bedtime... im sleeping now...)
-vivek
basicxman
02-12-2007, 12:22
lol...im always staying up past my bedtime:D :rolleyes:
Pavan Dave
02-12-2007, 15:04
To be honest I hate these threads before the game hint is released but I thought it would be a good laugh to see some of you guys' responses so I started this. Many of you are just saying the first thing that pops into your mind. THIS is one of the ONLY plausible interpretations so far in this thread IMO. i personally think that this hint just means that we will be using a square as a game piece. stock market, the building is a square. jello, are cut into squares. gerbil cages are squares, and K'nex blocks are squares too.
I am expecting squares.
To be honest I hate these threads before the game hint is released but I thought it would be a good laugh to see some of you guys' responses so I started this. Many of you are just saying the first thing that pops into your mind. THIS is one of the ONLY plausible interpretations so far in this thread IMO.
I am expecting squares.
yeah.... or we could spend every waking moment analyzing this phrase until we get something from it like: robots will carry donuts made of jello or the like :D
-vivek
p.s. yeah I think that the cuboid theory is the most plausible.
What the heck, K'nex don't have blocks, do they?
I was thinking the same thing. I wonder if it was just his way of identifying the Kinex toys, as in, the pieces are a form of the generic "building blocks" concept?
After all, what else would you call them?
Kinex sticks?
I'm giving my team a head start with what I know about jello. I'll share it here after they have had a few days to mull it over.
Hint you have to be old to remember this bit of trivia.
I think what I have to share will shake things up. Maybe Woody wasn't expecting someone my age to be pondering his clues.
njamietech
03-12-2007, 20:49
Waiting for another hint or january 5th is killing me:eek: :ahh:
I've had to try to keep myself occupied by scouting, starting robotics projects, ect.
I will be really dissapointed if FIRST does not give another more official hint.
Or maybe Dave could give us another false lead to keep us occupied.:D
Oh well... :rolleyes:
Back to waiting :)
bobdahaxor
09-12-2007, 23:04
How about there are times where you want to put the pieces in and times where you don't want to. I really think the game pieces are going to be balls that move on their own and you have to put them in wheel type bin. in certain periods You can score more points by placing the balls in that time frame where as at certain points it may cost you points. The wheel may even move itself! I think they may change the style of game play so it is a free for all, but not too sure about that. There will definitely be less defense and more offense though, that is for sure!
EStokely
10-12-2007, 13:44
I can't explain it but I am ready for this year (I am usually dreading it a bit at this point)
So here I am reading game rumors.
BTW I heard from a source that there was a large truck near FIRST with footballs in it......
Beta Version
10-12-2007, 15:59
Well, if we go along with the ever popular Box, Triangle, Circle theory that the game pieces cycle through the three different shapes in the FIRST logo (which is startlingly true), we are due for some boxes.
njamietech
10-12-2007, 17:13
Wow mathew mcfadden from my team is using a forum:ahh: :eek:
Wow matt you are really branching out.
BTW I'll let you know if victor three strikes again:p
Anyway I agree boxes are more likely.
However I think the Idea of footballs would be interesting although I'm not sure that a football truck outside FIRST means anything. It could just be delivering promotional items.
Another Idea that might be cool is more than two alliances. Maybe the white alliance (first colors)?
BanksKid
11-12-2007, 08:22
what would it be like if Dave was the game piece?
Well, if we go along with the ever popular Box, Triangle, Circle theory that the game pieces cycle through the three different shapes in the FIRST logo (which is startlingly true), we are due for some boxes.There are two theories that are popular. One is the INfamous "water game." The other is the "FIRST logo" theory. The only years that it applies to are 2003-2005.
Breaking down the games:
1997: inner tubes, circular
1998-2002: balls, with the exception of the "floppies" in 1999. All circular.
2003: bins, square
2004: balls again, circular
2005: tetras, triangular
2006: back to balls
2007: Pool tubes, circle
However,there is another pattern, one that tells me we're due for balls again. 1999, 2001 (coopertition and a balancing bridge), 2003, 2005, and 2007 all have some oddball game object. Every other year has balls as the game object. We had an odd one last year, so we should be due for balls again this year. Boxes, footballs, and the like are due up in 2009.
I don't even no where to begin in analyzing this one. Maybe he was... I don't know... just kidding? I guess we'll see.
KICKOFF-JANUARY 5, 2008!!! Be there or be clueless!
alex1699
11-12-2007, 15:07
some thing with BALLS!!!!
Daniel_LaFleur
11-12-2007, 15:13
I'm still waiting for traffic cones :ahh:
synth3tk
11-12-2007, 15:42
I'm still waiting for traffic cones :ahh:
My best guess. I'm truly hoping for these, though I don't know why.
JimWright949
11-12-2007, 16:30
My guess is there will be some sort of rotating table on the field. If the table is spun one way it will add points to the red teams the other will add points to the blue team.
This idea was kinda used in MIT's 2.007 2003 competition:
http://pergatory.mit.edu/2.007/contests/2003_2_tables/html/table.htm
-Jim
Keeping an eye on the stock market...
Jello is down (See Chart (http://picasaweb.google.com/davidallen353/UntitledAlbum/photo?authkey=J5ojt-H2z7E#5142838068521533202))
K'Nex is a privately traded company, and gerbils aren't sold by one individual company, so they don't have a stock.
Thing aren't looking good for next years game.
legomaster3945
12-12-2007, 22:19
stock market goes up and down
jell-o - "watch it wiggle, watch it jiggle"
gerbils- um... squeak?
mabey a large running wheel of some kind
also gerbils will dig complex tunnel system if given the space and resources
if you check out the K'nex website you will find they invented the K'nex blocks - http://www.knex.com/
K'nex slogan is "if you can imagine it you can build it"
i believe that the next task might be a multi-layered tunnel maze that shakes with the scoreing peices at the low levels and you have to bring them to the top (stock market) sounds weird but thats my best guess
i'll keep thinking though
when our team first saw this hint given by woodie, we thought of zorbs, which are like gerbil balls for people. They also jiggle, so that would even accommodate the jello part. As for the stock market thing, one of our senior members said: "Well, the stock market goes up and down, but lately just down."
So i'm hoping for human player on the field in these zorbs. they would be like the game pieces, also bringing in hte challenge of who do you want in the zorb?
Here's what a zorb looks like: http://static.flickr.com/44/110867008_ccecce3e9e.jpg
or just search zorb on google images, you'll get the idea pretty quickly. ;)
stock market goes up and down
jell-o - "watch it wiggle, watch it jiggle"
gerbils- um... squeak?
mabey a large running wheel of some kind
also gerbils will dig complex tunnel system if given the space and resources
if you check out the K'nex website you will find they invented the K'nex blocks - http://www.knex.com/
K'nex slogan is "if you can imagine it you can build it"
i believe that the next task might be a multi-layered tunnel maze that shakes with the scoreing peices at the low levels and you have to bring them to the top (stock market) sounds weird but thats my best guess
i'll keep thinking though
thats really a cool idea, its the most plausible in depth game idea i have heard so far.
legomaster3945
13-12-2007, 21:47
thats really a cool idea, its the most plausible in depth game idea i have heard so far.
thanks that means a lot :')
jk i didnt cry that hard
if only the tunnels were filled w/ water...
one can only hope
(that would b a HUGE problem if somehow the robot got stuck in a tube full of water, how would u get it out?)
Chaos Marine
14-12-2007, 08:55
stock market goes up and down
jell-o - "watch it wiggle, watch it jiggle"
gerbils- um... squeak?
mabey a large running wheel of some kind
also gerbils will dig complex tunnel system if given the space and resources
if you check out the K'nex website you will find they invented the K'nex blocks - http://www.knex.com/
K'nex slogan is "if you can imagine it you can build it"
i believe that the next task might be a multi-layered tunnel maze that shakes with the scoreing peices at the low levels and you have to bring them to the top (stock market) sounds weird but thats my best guess
i'll keep thinking though
"stock market goes up and down
jell-o - "watch it wiggle, watch it jiggle"
gerbils- um... squeak?
mabey a large running wheel of some kind
also gerbils will dig complex tunnel system if given the space and resources
if you check out the K'nex website you will find they invented the K'nex blocks - http://www.knex.com/
K'nex slogan is "if you can imagine it you can build it"
i believe that the next task might be a multi-layered tunnel maze that shakes with the scoreing peices at the low levels and you have to bring them to the top (stock market) sounds weird but thats my best guess
i'll keep thinking though"
ok stockmarket,jello,gerbils. put in your prospective it makes alittle since. some type of wheel game, the only problem witht that is that how can you have a wiggle jiggle wheel? the wheel would pop off of whatever it is on also the field would have to be huge to fit a maze in. I think it might be a Rumble tower. Stock market tower with a jiggly jello base. and you have to run like hamsters up the tower. but we will see.
Woody Flowers gave this hint
"Just be careful about the stock market, with jello, gerbils, and
K'nex blocks."
The first thing I thought of was Blue chip stocks, Jello coin wheels,
hamster wheels and for k'nex ferris wheels are a recurring theme ...
You are all too young to remember Jello coin wheels so here is a picture
that may get you thinking
http://members.shaw.ca/nipperdog/photos6/jholdfull.JPG
A similar thing would be a poker chip stacker or caddy.
I'm thinking along the lines of rotating wheel like the jello wheel
above into which you have to stack chips something.
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Link to k'nex that illustrates how Ferris wheel centric they are.
http://www.knex.com/Shop/home.php?gclid=COGkleHYi5ACFSdysgodUEAUtA
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Ok, that's my two cents
hipsterjr
18-12-2007, 13:04
Woody Flowers gave this hint
"Just be careful about the stock market, with jello, gerbils, and
K'nex blocks."
The first thing I thought of was Blue chip stocks, Jello coin wheels,
hamster wheels and for k'nex ferris wheels are a recurring theme ...
You are all too young to remember Jello coin wheels so here is a picture
that may get you thinking
http://members.shaw.ca/nipperdog/photos6/jholdfull.JPG
A similar thing would be a poker chip stacker or caddy.
I'm thinking along the lines of rotating wheel like the jello wheel
above into which you have to stack chips something.
---------
Link to k'nex that illustrates how Ferris wheel centric they are.
http://www.knex.com/Shop/home.php?gclid=COGkleHYi5ACFSdysgodUEAUtA
---------
Ok, that's my two cents
It's a great idea. This is exactly the kind of ambiguous thinking usually found in clues. And of course everyone is expecting boxes.
All,
I've only had a short history with FIRST, but from what I recall, the only "powered" devices on the field were the robots. All other elements such as the rack 2007 and earlier games were passive. No electrical or other power (light excluded). Maybe we should stay in that vein for speculation.
Regards,
R2D2DOC
All,
I've only had a short history with FIRST, but from what I recall, the only "powered" devices on the field were the robots. All other elements such as the rack 2007 and earlier games were passive. No electrical or other power (light excluded). Maybe we should stay in that vein for speculation.
Regards,
R2D2DOCAlmost correct. The exception was the "placebo" robots in the mid-late 1990s (1997 and 1998, I think?). "Autonomous brickbots" is a good description, from what I've heard.
Capt. Quirk
21-12-2007, 22:01
Check out the "Autodesk® VIZ" picture at the bottom of this web site (http://students6.autodesk.com/?lbon=1) It looks kinda FIRST-y and fits with the "the stock market, with jello, gerbils, and K'nex blocks"
Quantumman
22-12-2007, 01:08
I've only had a short history with FIRST, but from what I recall, the only "powered" devices on the field were the robots. All other elements such as the rack 2007 and earlier games were passive. No electrical or other power (light excluded). Maybe we should stay in that vein for speculation.
Actually there have been a few 'powered' field elements other than the robots(Team controlled or otherwise). A number of the ball dispensers have had some form of powered triggering to release balls. While I don't know of any main game elements having been powered, it is something that could happen.
Alpha 997
08-01-2008, 14:48
"Just be careful about the stock market, with jello, gerbils, and K'nex blocks."
Sooo..... Ummmm what did this have to do with this year's game again?
SuperJake
08-01-2008, 15:31
"Just be careful about the stock market, with jello, gerbils, and K'nex blocks."
Sooo..... Ummmm what did this have to do with this year's game again?
Stock Market :: FIRST Community reaction to the game as the season progresses - much likes stocks rise and fall for no apparent reason
Jello :: The ball bounces like jello
Gerbils :: Gerbils run around in circles inside a cage just like our robots (the field does kinda look like a cage
K'Nex :: they probably used K'nex to model up their version of the field much like some CDers have already done.
I don't know - that was my best shot. What do you have?
Alpha 997
08-01-2008, 22:51
Stock Market :: FIRST Community reaction to the game as the season progresses - much likes stocks rise and fall for no apparent reason
Jello :: The ball bounces like jello
Gerbils :: Gerbils run around in circles inside a cage just like our robots (the field does kinda look like a cage
K'Nex :: they probably used K'nex to model up their version of the field much like some CDers have already done.
I don't know - that was my best shot. What do you have?
I don't know. I was kind of thinking about the same thing about the Gerbils, but all the other ones, especially stock market totally lost me.
"Just be careful about the stock market, with jello, gerbils, and K'nex blocks."
Sooo..... Ummmm what did this have to do with this year's game again?
Stock Market = Wall(ed)Street, Jello = Trackball, Gerbils = Robots, K'nex Blocks = Overpass. Being careful about the stock market could also be sell high (above) and buy low (below). Combining these comes up with something like:
Gerbils chasing jello above or below k'nex on a walled street.
EDIT: Should have thought about it a little longer. Buying stocks low(below) is OK, 2pts, but selling stocks high (above) is better, 8pts. This would give you:
Gerbils passing jello above or below k'nex on a walled street.
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