Picking up Cigarette Butts?

[Jeremiah Johnson]

Does anyone have any ideas on how to pick up cigarette butts via a robotic mechanism?

I'm designing a robot that will pick up trash from ditches and what not... a huge problem is the cigarette butts on the side of the road among rocks. I've developed a way to pick up other trash such as pop cans, paper/plastic bags, and flag all other objects that would not be able to be lifted.

Team 648 spends several days cleaning up Quad City roadsides and other areas, so I figured it would be a nice way to attract more attention to FIRST and engineering if people saw students picking up trash alongside a robot.

I'm going to start Vex prototyping it tomorrow and then hopefully have a fully built robot by the time we do the X-Stream Cleanup in August.

Thanks in advance for any input.

Jeremiah

[AndyB]

The only thing I can think of is the fact that cigarette buds are probably lighter than rocks, so you could try some sort of vacuum. You may still need to use a filter of some sort though.

[CraigHickman]

I'm thinking a very low force spring set attached to some needles, so the needles will spear the cigarette butts, but leave everything else (rocks and so on) on the ground.

Either that or a vacuum...

[karlcswanson]

Would a rake work?

[whytheheckme]

How about using a vacuum and/or rake to pick up EVERYthing on the ground the size of a cigarette butt or smaller (limit the size of the intake on the vacuum and/or make the width between rake blades the proper size) , and spitting it out into a chamber with some kind of screen mesh. Using gravity, stuff smaller than cigarette butts would fall through, leaving the butts.

Seems complicated... kind of like a typical FIRST robot :p

Jacob

[artdutra04]

If the cigarette butts are among small gravel, then a vacuum might not be the best idea, unless you want your robot's new nickname to become "ol' Clunky". ;)

But if they are among anything larger (at least an inch or two across) rocks, and the vacuum isn't super powerful, then you should be fine. Vacuums do have the advantage of being able to suck up multiple ones at once, so they do present a nice solution. I'd do some testing first, though. Go to a local car wash* to one of the coin-op vacuum cleaners, and try sucking up cigarette butts from around the machine. (Alternately, you could try using the air intake on a leaf blower.) If it works well, then go for it and put it on your robot.

* An industrial strength vacuum cleaner or a leaf blower would probably be better handled to cope with rocks than your typical central vac or Dyson, so better to test it out with those.

[Wayne Doenges]

I like Craig's idea of using needles. You could make the needles come through a sliding piece of sheet metal. The sheet metal would slide down the needles to clean them of the offending butts :D
Or you could use something like the R/C airplane Woodpecker. It consists of a rotating barrel with very small, sharp points of metal. It could roll along the ground and pick up the butts. Than you could devise a way to knock off the butts from the points.
E-mail me and I will send you a picture of the Woodpecker.

Or you could get a bunch of Freshman to pick them up :)

[Taylor]

Flamethrower.
Cigarettes are flammable, rocks are not.
Don't overcomplicate things.

OR

Have a steady stream of water coming out the front of the robot. Trash tends to float; simply have a sieve at the bottom of the hill for all the trash to float into and the water to pass through.
(same effect can be reached with a leaf blower. 30 bonus points if you can blow the trash up 12 inches in the air.)

[KTorak]

Flamethrower.
Cigarettes are flammable, rocks are not.
Don't overcomplicate things.


Best idea yet!

The vacuum may work, but the butts are sometimes embedded into the ground. The needles might be the next best option.

[Jeremiah Johnson]

I was thinking exactly along the line of what Wayne had mentioned. The needles through the metal would be fairly simple.

The flamethrower would be ideal... in a desert. I like it, but I don't want to start a wildfire, that would be counterproductive.

[Greg Perkins]

go along the lines of a street sweeper. Have a mabuchi motor spin a brush and then have a collector where the butts are deposited.

[Al Skierkiewicz]

Budda,
Vacuum, the little buggers are pretty light.

[colin340]

i was illiterate just thinking about this problem right before i got on cd to night i
think a curved needleis the way to go

[Jeremiah Johnson]

go along the lines of a street sweeper. Have a mabuchi motor spin a brush and then have a collector where the butts are deposited.

Budda,
Vacuum, the little buggers are pretty light.

The only thing I'm worried about with those suggestions is picking/kicking up the dust. If I were to do this, how would I resolve that issue?

The pickup system has also got to withstand multiple terrains, which poses the most problems with the street sweeper.

[Travis Hoffman]

How about.....

...you build a robot that promotes the cessation of smoking in your community?

Then as people start to quit as a result of your creation, the cigarette butts on the road will gradually fade away.

Perhaps a bit too altruistic (and unrealistic), but it's a nice thought. :p

[chris31]

Im thinking the needles might have issues on none flat ground. Obviuosly there are ways around this but a vacuum seems to be the easier method. I would prototype them both first and see which works better before I made any full scale models or final decisions.

[Al Skierkiewicz]

If you have a high poower blower and a strainer, the light stuff would be sucked up and the strainer would hold the butts and deposit everything else out the back. It might be a bit dusty but it could get the job done.

[Jeremiah Johnson]

If you have a high poower blower and a strainer, the light stuff would be sucked up and the strainer would hold the butts and deposit everything else out the back. It might be a bit dusty but it could get the job done.

I thought of this just a moment ago and this may be the best solution. If I were to periodically move a collection system under the vacuum and power it down, the butts and smaller debris would fall down into the sack. Thanks Al.

[mizitchell]

try a steam roller-esk thing covered with needles and on the topside have a rake that fits between the rows of spikes to get the cigarette butts of the spikes

i was thinking that you might have issues with fine dust or sand if you use a vaccum

[whytheheckme]

try a steam roller-esk thing covered with needles and on the topside have a rake that fits between the rows of spikes to get the cigarette butts of the spikes

i was thinking that you might have issues with fine dust or sand if you use a vaccum

I like this steamroller idea. I could totally see this working... but you don't want it going haywire and start running over cars with sharp spikes....

And I love flamethrower idea :p

Jacob

[mizitchell]

you could always work on your gratious professionalism by trying to talk your way out of it :confused:

[Jeremiah Johnson]

you could always work on your gratious professionalism by trying to talk your way out of it :confused:

Talk my way out of what?

The steam roller idea won't work because it won't be able to go on all terrains, it's mainly a flatland thing.

[Herodotus]

I would go the vacuum route. What you could do is have a small vacuum on the end of an arm so you can use it on any terrain. Dust would be kicked up but would be sucked in by the vacuum, and you could use filters to try to catch or leave behind certain materials. You would have the vacuum first run through a large filter that catches large rocks and such, and have this filter slanted to the side with openings so that all the rocks and such fall back onto the road(or if you want to vacuum up large objects for some reason you can simply close these vents off) and then have everything else pass on to the next level. The next level would be small enough to catch the cigarette butts and but be large enough to let dust pass through. After the dust filter you have an opening either right under or behind the robot and have dust simply fall through this opening onto the ground so it doesn't weigh the robot down.

Seems good in concept. However that tends to mean little when you finally build something so I would suggest exploring a couple of the ideas in this thread and prototype them.

[vivek16]

wait what is the harshest terrain conditions that you will be operating on? any sand? gravel?

i think before you start to design you should go around and find out exactly what you will be designing your robot for.

just my two cents, vivek