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March 13-15th, 2008
US Cellular Arena - Milwaukee, WI
54 Team Capacity
There is currently 23 teams signed up for the regional with 31 spots still open. The list so far looks similar to who attended last year. Are any teams looking at Wisconsin as their second regional?
Dan Petrovic
25-10-2007, 17:08
166 is working on registering for the Wisconsin regional!
The team was excited about the team social, so that played a big factor in voting to go.
Richard Wallace
25-10-2007, 17:27
Wisconsin is high our list. Looks like a very good field, and our team has never been there before. I expect 931 will make a decision soon.
EHaskins
25-10-2007, 17:33
1103 will be there. Looks like it will be a good group.
I dont know if we will go (yet). I think we will if we get the NASA grant. Is there a registration deadline for the WI regional? i know it will fill up pretty fast but is there an official deadline?
thanks, vivek
Technically the deadline is December 3rd, but the regional will fill up before that.
hmm... isnt that also when they will anounce who recieved the nasa grant? that might be problematic...
sigh..., vivek
NASA grants are announced "No later than November 19th". I believe you can still get registered as a pending team. Though I don't really know the difference in not being registered and being a pending team.
Thank you Andy.
I will take that up with our administration...
that clears things up.
thanks, vivek
Dan Petrovic
25-10-2007, 21:34
Wisconsin is high our list. Looks like a very good field, and our team has never been there before. I expect 931 will make a decision soon.
Oh! That would be so- err... wicked awesome!
Maybe we could get back together in the elimination rounds. :p
Kevin Kolodziej
25-10-2007, 22:18
166 is working on registering for the Wisconsin regional!
The team was excited about the team social, so that played a big factor in voting to go.
Discovery World is an awesome venue - you will not be disappointed if you make the trip to Milwaukee!
Oh..and I hear that silly little robot competition is pretty neat too! :]
Discovery World is an awesome venue - you will not be disappointed if you make the trip to Milwaukee!
Oh..and I hear that silly little robot competition is pretty neat too! :]
Seconded. Big Dave G does not disappoint when it comes to fun.
GBilletdeaux930
13-11-2007, 21:32
Team 930's gonna be there! We were in the second place alliance last year so were hopin to do just as good this year!
Ricky Q.
30-11-2007, 12:42
Wisconsin Regional teams still looking to make accommodations in Milwaukee:
The Regional Planning Committee has just struck a deal with a hotel right across the street from the US Cellular arena. It is a pretty decent deal at a great hotel.
Early next week we will have an 800 number and website for reservations with details emailed to teams but I wanted to get this out there in case people were still looking.
Cheers.
-Ricky
so I am taking registration filled up?
I really wish our team went to a away regional because the away part is really a great experience. we will just be carpooling from homes to the competetion this year since its like a 30 min. drive
-vivek
Ricky Q.
15-12-2007, 11:49
so I am taking registration filled up?
I really wish our team went to a away regional because the away part is really a great experience. we will just be carpooling from homes to the competetion this year since its like a 30 min. drive
-vivek
The Wisconsin Regional will be at full capacity this year, at 63 or 64 teams, making it the largest regional in the US behind the Connecticut Regional.
Should be another rocking time at the Arena, as well as at the brand new social site, Discovery World on Lake Michigan.
Also FYI to teams:
Hyatt Hotel Contract
Monday, December 10, 2007
The FIRST Wisconsin Regional has contracted with the Hyatt Hotel & Resort - Milwaukee. Teams can reserve rooms for $99 per night. More information can be found on the lodging (http://www.wisconsinregional.org/lodging.htm) page or by vising the Hyatt (http://milwaukee.hyatt.com/groupbooking/cfrc2008) website.
This will also be going out in an e-mail to Team Contacts shortly.
cool beans!!
Can someone tell me if there are any other regionals in the states surrounding Minnesota that have not filled up yet? it would be cool to go to a second regional...
Laaba 80
15-12-2007, 18:50
1714 will be there. This will be cool with over 60 teams. You will really need to fight your way into the finals though.
Tyler Olds
18-12-2007, 17:19
I'll be there!
P.S. 64 teams!!! Wow thats nuts!!!!
SoMe_DuDe904
19-12-2007, 10:23
Team 2169 will be there...were hopin for another great year... 64 teams is crazy :ahh: its going to make it tough to win... this should be fun :)
Sunshine
22-12-2007, 09:54
Team 2062 is looking forward to meeting everyone going to Milwaukee!
We are located in a suburb about 25 miles from Milwaukee, so we know a little about the area. If you have any questions about the area, please contact me.
Ricky Q.
29-01-2008, 18:16
This e-mail went out to all team main contacts, but posting it here doesn't hurt anyone. Only applies to teams attending the WI Regional.
Thanks!
Greetings Wisconsin Regional Teams!
The Wisconsin Regional Planning Committee hopes that all FRC teams are enjoying a great start to 2008 and having great success during the always frantic build season.
We have some important items for your team’s main contact to take care of to help us ensure that we provide you the greatest FRC Regional experience that we can.
#1 – We are still looking for volunteers for the event, especially in the areas of robot inspection and crowd control. If you have experienced team members, parents, or mentors that could volunteer for the event and help us out, please have them register in FIRST’s Volunteer System (VIMS) as soon as possible. Information on registering can be found here: http://www.usfirst.org/involved/volunteer/default.aspx?id=176
#2 – As in previous years, we will again be hosting many area VIPs at the event to either introduce them to or get them re-acquainted with FIRST and how they can be of assistance to us. We need 2 student volunteers per team to act as VIP Tour guides on Friday of the event from approximately 10a-12p. These students will be charged with taking VIPs around the event and talking to them about FIRST, how it works and what it means to them. Please send the names of the students that will act as VIP tour guides ASAP to ricky.quinones@gmail.com There will be a brief walkthrough with these students Thursday morning at the event.
#3 – We are very excited to announce that the Wisconsin Regional will once again host an exciting team social, this year at Milwaukee’s Discovery World (http://www.discoveryworld.org/ (http://www.discoveryworld.org/)). In order for this event to run smoothly and successfully, we need an accurate count of how many people from your team will be attending the team social, which is free to all teams (students and mentors ONLY). It is truly important that we get an accurate count to ensure enough food for 63 teams and to allow us to schedule dinner shifts appropriately. Please email the number of students and mentors that will be attending to info@wisconsinregional.com (info@wisconsinregional.com) by 2/29/08.
Seating for dinner shifts at Discovery World will be assigned as responses come in.
The Wisconsin Regional Planning Committee appreciates your help with these items and is looking forward to seeing you in March!
Laaba 80
29-01-2008, 21:52
. These students will be charged with taking VIPs around the event and talking to them about FIRST, how it works and what it means to them.
They will be charged with? It sounds like your taking them to court:D
Joey
MasterChief1732
29-01-2008, 22:17
Team 1732 will be there as well. This regional is going to be great! Hope to see everyone else there! Hope we don't get stuck in the basement next to the arena again though. I guess they need the room for the additional teams. See you all at the regional!
Team 2194 Fondy Fire Robotics will definitly be there! (along as Minnesota Regional) It's going to be incredible with 64 teams!
Yes there will be teams in the outside pits again. This year there will be more space and we are tryimg to make sure that there will be two teams of inspectors, one for each side. The layout of the arena has changed slightly so that should help as well. Either way its going to be a great regional see you guys in March.
Just wanted to give Kevin K a big thank you! he has agreed to record the regional again this year.
Thanks Kevin!
Deep Dark
30-01-2008, 12:06
Kevin Kolodziej is the best!
2506 will be there.
ShotgunNinja
30-01-2008, 18:03
We're in. (Team 1652, Lakeview Legends)
Teams I'm hoping to see again this year (I was there last year, see my sig):
Fondy Fire
More Robotics (but get a better motto)
Robot Casserole (awesome costumes)
Hilltopper Robotics
Green Machine (great mascot)
Ultimate Protection Squad
NEW Apple Corps
Paradigm Shift
Robot Futures
Impossible Mission Force
Rockford Robotics
Ultraviolet
King Tech (hope I spelled that right)
Who else... (Time to go check TBA again!)
And I'm looking forward to more dancing in the aisles as the LakeView Wolf! :D
ShotgunNinja
30-01-2008, 18:11
Wisconsin is high our list. Looks like a very good field, and our team has never been there before. I expect 931 will make a decision soon.
Do it if at all humanly possible. It is the only reason I am on the team this year, (as well as the FUN I have building the website... :rolleyes: ) ... I went last year as my school's mascot, REALLY enjoyed it. Joined the team. Lost anything I may have had in the past relating to a free evening. Gained a HUGE respect and admiration for the team members who showed up, and lost some for those who bailed frequently. All in all, came out ahead. :cool:
Laaba 80
01-02-2008, 18:26
More Robotics (but get a better motto)
Which motto are you refering to? We have had some different sayings through the years, and I dont know what you are talking about. And yes, we will be there.
Joey
Tyler Olds
01-02-2008, 23:24
Which motto are you refering to? We have had some different sayings through the years, and I dont know what you are talking about. And yes, we will be there.
Joey
What's better than robotics??? More Robotics!! :-P lameness
Laaba 80
01-02-2008, 23:29
What's better than robotics??? More Robotics!! :-P lameness
Are you serous YOU dont like that? I kept hearing you sayin that over and over all day. Can you come up with anything better?
Joey
Tyler Olds
02-02-2008, 12:12
Are you serous YOU dont like that? I kept hearing you sayin that over and over all day. Can you come up with anything better?
Joey
Lol I like it! It is just very corny (and I am a very corny guy)!
caitlin2437
11-02-2008, 00:54
Team 2437 from Hawaii going to Milwaukee!
What's the weather like there? From what I hear, my ears are going to be freezing off. Don't ask why we couldn't have chosen somwhere more... tropical.
Ricky Q.
11-02-2008, 02:17
We are glad to have you!
You just might want to not look at the weather forecast ;)
Right now in Milwaukee it is -4 degrees with a wind chill of -23, but no worries, by March it should be at least above zero!
Feel free to email me or let us know if you need assistance with anything coming to or in Milwaukee!!
Tyler Olds
11-02-2008, 09:29
Team 2437 from Hawaii going to Milwaukee!
What's the weather like there? From what I hear, my ears are going to be freezing off. Don't ask why we couldn't have chosen somwhere more... tropical.
Heh well that's definitely an interesting choice in a regional but welcome! I've always wanted to go to Hawaii to see what a nice tropical climate is like, maybe you guys want to see what a cold snowy area is like?!?! :). If you take me back with you I will be more than grateful!
Good luck and welcome to the area.
Yeah, if it doesn't warm up a bunch before the regional, you guys will get to see A LOT of snow. Milwaukee got about a foot or so last week. :D
Mark Holschuh
11-02-2008, 20:53
Don't worry Caitlin. I'm sure all the teams will give you a warm reception.
Kevin Kolodziej
11-02-2008, 23:57
Yeah, if it doesn't warm up a bunch before the regional, you guys will get to see A LOT of snow. Milwaukee got about a foot or so last week. :D
Not to scare you guys away, but it was actually closer to two feet, and we're due for another 6 inches tonight!
If nothing else, we'll teach you how to make an awesome snowrobot (instead of a snowman)! Ice sculptures anyone??
caitlin2437
12-02-2008, 00:58
Hey team Fondy Fire we got your email and really appreciate the offer for help!
Thanks again, and we'll be sure to bring a lot of food from here.
See you there
Aren_Hill
12-02-2008, 02:40
Winnovation will be back to challenge the teams who took the title we weren't there do defend last year of regional champs. I gotta say i missed wisconsin last year
Hey team Fondy Fire we got your email and really appreciate the offer for help!
Thanks again, and we'll be sure to bring a lot of food from here.
See you there
Yummy Hawiian food rocks! Don't forget to bring sweatshirts, too.
waialua359
13-02-2008, 02:32
good luck to the Hawaiian team going to Wisconsin. Team 2437, all girls team. The alma mater that my wifey attended.
Bring lots of macadamia nut chocolates. Its worked for us.:D Teams from the mainland love that stuff! And of course, leis!!!!!!!!
ShotgunNinja
14-02-2008, 21:22
Heh, watching the news the other day (the day with the HUGE snowstorm, or one of 'em, anyway) and saw St. Thomas More High School was closed. I thought to myself, "Hey, isn't that the school where More Robotics is based?"
Yeah, our district (Kenosha Unified) was the only one in the southeast corner of Wisconsin that stayed open that day. Nice job Superintendent! :yikes:
PS: PLEASE bring Macadamia Nut chocolate. PLEEEEEAAASE. I love that stuff. :p
ShotgunNinja
14-02-2008, 21:28
Are you serous YOU dont like that? I kept hearing you sayin that over and over all day. Can you come up with anything better?
Joey
And yes, it gets old. :yikes:
YEEEEEEEEAAAAA! Wisconsin represent WOOH WOOHH WOOHHH
2077 and our newly formed all girls team 1988 will be there to take some sort of title (I'm quite hopeful/optimistic that we will have the pleasure of scrambling to get enough money together to go to Atlanta this year)
if your wondering who we are... think most obnoxiously loud rookie team last year that was scrambling to make weight and finish our robot in the pits last year (More hated us for getting dangerously close to their sweet touch screen pit thingy)
ShotgunNinja
14-02-2008, 21:50
You should have touched it, just to VEX them (haha, bad pun...) :p
gurellia53
17-02-2008, 22:07
So who at Wisconsin has a launcher of some sort this year? Robot Casserole has a dual CIM launcher.
Kellen Hill
17-02-2008, 23:45
Winnovation has a launcher!!
And I am guessing plenty of others will, considering there are going to be 61 teams there.
Ricky Q.
27-02-2008, 17:03
This email is going out to all team contacts shortly, it doesn't hurt to have it up here as well for people to see.
Greetings Teams!
The Wisconsin Regional is fast approaching and the Regional Planning Committee looks forward to welcoming you to Milwaukee!
In this email you will find some important and helpful information about the US Cellular Arena and the event itself.
If you have any questions before coming to Milwaukee, feel free to email Ricky Quinones (ricky.quinones AT gmail.com (ricky.quinones@gmail.com)) or Kevin Kolodziej (kevin.kolodziej AT gmail.com (kevin.kolodziej@gmail.com))
The first three items are action items that we need responses back from teams on:
1) VIP Guides: If you have not submitted one or two names of a student(s) that would be able to assist as VIP Tour Guides on Friday of the event from 10a-12p, we also need a fewer number of students to give tours for VIPs after lunch on Friday, from approx. 1-2p. If you have team members that can assist at either of these times please email their names and indicate their availability ASAP to ricky.quinones AT gmail.com (ricky.quinones@gmail.com) These students are needed to show our VIPs around and show then what FIRST is all about, there will be a brief walkthrough with them on Thursday morning at the event as well to explain their role.
2) Team Social: If your team has not reserved spots at the Team Social and is planning on attending, please email a firm number of students and mentors that will be coming to info AT wisconsinregional.org (info@wisconsinregional.org) by February 29th. We need a firm number to make accurate dinner counts and teams that do not respond by 2/29 will not be able to dine at the social. A detailed information sheet on the social will be provided in your team registration packet when you register Thursday morning at Pit Administration.
3) Call for Volunteers – If your team has extra parents, mentors or students that are interested in volunteering at the event please have them sign up ASAP in the FIRST Volunteer Information and Matching System at https://my.usfirst.org/vims and they will be contacted by our Volunteer Coordinator.
The rest of this email is general reminders and hints that we think will help teams out in preparing for the event:
1) Unloading Procedures: Please take note of the FIRST rules regarding early unloading and uncrating on Thursday morning at the event at 7:45 A.M.: For teams’ convenience and to help ensure safety in the Pit, three (3) persons from each team will be allowed to uncrate early. At least one of the three must be an adult of post high school status . If any of the three-team members leave the Pit area during that time, he/she will not be readmitted until general Pit opening. Teams cannot work on the robot or set up the team’s station during that time. Teams that do not have a post high school mentor with them will not be allowed into the arena until general pit opening at 8:30 A.M. Use the main entrance on Kilbourn Avenue. These doors will not open until 7:45 A.M. for early uncrating, so please plan accordingly.
2) Parking: The Arena operates a surface lot directly across from the main entrance of the facility; rates are approx. $10 per day. Check out www.parkmilwaukee.com (http://www.parkmilwaukee.com) for more information on other lots around the US Cellular Arena. For teams arriving on buses and staying with the Hyatt for the event, please notify them that you are using a bus and they will assist you with free bus parking.
3) General Reminders:
a. If the Wisconsin Regional is your first event this season, please do not forget your team’s consent and release forms and team roster, found here: www.usfirst.org/community/frc/content.aspx?id=8128 (http://www.usfirst.org/community/frc/content.aspx?id=8128)
Teams cannot register without a completed Consent/Release form for each team member and mentor attending the event(s) and a completed Team Roster. This includes adults traveling with the team. The forms for persons under 18 years of age must also have a parent or legal guardian’s name and signature.
b. Outside food is not allowed on US Cellular Arena property, this includes in the arena and in the parking lot across from the arena. This is detailed in the contract between FIRST and the Arena and will be enforced. A list of local dining establishments is on the regional website, http://www.wisconsinregional.org/dining.htm and a map of these places will be provided in your registration packet.
c. Saving seats is not allowed in the arena. Handicapped seating will be available; please find a volunteer to assist you if this is necessary for someone on your team.
d. There will be a small scale Overdrive field available for teams to use FTC, VEX or other small system robots on if so desired. This field will be next to Scholarship Row and give the general public a chance to see the other programs and impacts of FIRST. This field will use tennis balls as trackballs, the top of the overpass is 10" high, and the bottom clearance of the overpass is 8" high. An FTC game field may also be present.
e. The Regional Planning Committee is planning on webcasting the event, check out www.wisconsinregional.org (http://www.wisconsinregional.org) closer to the dates for details on how and where to watch it.
Thank you for attending to these items for us, it helps us our tremendously in making the regional a great experience for everyone.
Once again, do not hesitate to contact us if you need anything prior to coming or in Milwaukee.
See you soon!
The Wisconsin Regional Planning Committee
www.wisconsinregional.org (http://www.wisconsinregional.org)
Cow Bell Solo
27-02-2008, 18:50
We were there last year(2207) and it was fun going to Milwaukee, this year we are not attending there but are attending the MN regional but good luck to all of the teams attending the Wisconson Regional
Sean Schuff
28-02-2008, 20:09
b. Outside food is not allowed on US Cellular Arena property, this includes in the arena and in the parking lot across from the arena. This is detailed in the contract between FIRST and the Arena and will be enforced. A list of local dining establishments is on the regional website, http://www.wisconsinregional.org/dining.htm and a map of these places will be provided in your registration packet.[/URL]
Sorry to spot you out Ricky but I've just got to do it...
Am I the only cheesehead who can't believe that tailgating isn't allowed at the WISCONSIN (Land of brats, cheese curds and the frozen tundra of Lambeau) Regional?! I can guarantee you that if Green Bay hosted the event, it would be brats and cheese for EVERYONE!! :)
See you in a couple weeks!
Sean
gurellia53
28-02-2008, 20:13
Sorry to spot you out Ricky but I've just got to do it...
Am I the only cheesehead who can't believe that tailgating isn't allowed at the WISCONSIN (Land of brats, cheese curds and the frozen tundra of Lambeau) Regional?! I can guarantee you that if Green Bay hosted the event, it would be brats and cheese for EVERYONE!! :)
See you in a couple weeks!
Sean
I think after the Bears devoured the Packers last year... twice... Wisconsinites just kind of gave up. ;)
Sean Schuff
28-02-2008, 20:16
I think after the Bears devoured the Packers last year... twice... Wisconsinites just kind of gave up. ;)
One word...playoffs.
One more word...Favre.
The last words...12 Championships!
Don't mess with the cheeseheads!! :)
gurellia53
28-02-2008, 20:30
One word...playoffs.
One more word...Favre.
The last words...12 Championships!
Don't mess with the cheeseheads!! :)
Why do people in Green Bay go to Lambeau Field when there is a Tornado Warning?
Because there are no touchdowns there!
The last words...12 Championships! [citation needed]
Sean Schuff
28-02-2008, 21:07
Quote:
Originally Posted by Sean Schuff
The last words...12 Championships! [citation needed]
http://www.packers.com/history/super_bowls_and_championships/
EricLeifermann
28-02-2008, 21:46
http://www.packers.com/history/super_bowls_and_championships/
You just can't mess with the best. Green Bay isn't called TITLE TOWN for no reason. They have the goods to back it up!!
gurellia53
28-02-2008, 22:18
Who was it that was in the superbowl last year? Oh, right, Da Bears.... say all you want about how that went, but at least we've been there this millennium unlike a certain other team (Packers)...
And also, ... (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Devin_Hester) :D
Laaba 80
28-02-2008, 22:23
Who was it that was in the superbowl last year? Oh, right, Da Bears.... say all you want about how that went, but at least we've been there this millennium unlike a certain other team (Packers)...
And also, ... (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Devin_Hester) :D
We actually have a quarterback that can play. The only thing I will admit is that Devin Hester is better than the packers returner.
And also, ... (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brett_Favre) :D
Joey
gurellia53
28-02-2008, 22:35
Ok, i'll admit that I think Brett Favre is a cool guy, but seriously, whats up with his last name?
And don't be hatin' on Rex. He's got a great arm and he's..... I'm sorry, i cant even make anything up. Even Bears fans hate him:mad: ... *huddles up in fetal position and mutters to self*
This argument may get a bit intense...
Orton (w00t)
Actually, I'm from Wisconsin, and I'll take Cledus the Slackjawed Yockle (Tarvaris Jackson) over Brent Favor anyday.
Skol vikes.
Vikesrock
29-02-2008, 01:46
Actually, I'm from Wisconsin, and I'll take Cledus the Slackjawed Yockle (Tarvaris Jackson) over Brent Favor anyday.
Skol vikes.
I wander into this thread and what do I see, someone across the border that bleeds purple and gold?
I'm contemplating making the 5-6 hour drive from the Twin Cities after my last class on Friday so I can go see that crazy Winnovation bot in person.
I'd also get to do a little advance scouting on a few of the teams that will be coming to MN tow weeks later.
Ricky Q.
29-02-2008, 09:29
Sorry to spot you out Ricky but I've just got to do it...
Am I the only cheesehead who can't believe that tailgating isn't allowed at the WISCONSIN (Land of brats, cheese curds and the frozen tundra of Lambeau) Regional?! I can guarantee you that if Green Bay hosted the event, it would be brats and cheese for EVERYONE!! :)
See you in a couple weeks!
Sean
Believe me, we (the RPC) tried to work something out. But we have little say in the contracts between the venues and FIRST.
Sorry! I love tailgating as much as the other guy, I bled green and gold.
Wow, no tailgating...I was actually looking forward to that this season...Since last year we tailgated at Wisconsin Regional, National Competition, and IRI...It just seems weird that Wisconsin is the only one limiting it (Destroying it). Hopefully Minnesota Regional will allow it... :)
Ricky Q.
29-02-2008, 13:59
Wow, no tailgating...I was actually looking forward to that this season...Since last year we tailgated at Wisconsin Regional, National Competition, and IRI...It just seems weird that Wisconsin is the only one limiting it (Destroying it). Hopefully Minnesota Regional will allow it... :)
It is only not allowed in the lot owned by the Wisconsin Center District, if you can find another lot to do it in, go for it.
We are in no way destroying tailgating, just enforcing the rules that we have to.
Sean Schuff
29-02-2008, 15:25
It is only not allowed in the lot owned by the Wisconsin Center District, if you can find another lot to do it in, go for it.
We are in no way destroying tailgating, just enforcing the rules that we have to.
You walk a very fine line my friend, and you do it well!
See you in two weeks!
Vikesrock
29-02-2008, 16:15
Wow, no tailgating...I was actually looking forward to that this season...Since last year we tailgated at Wisconsin Regional, National Competition, and IRI...It just seems weird that Wisconsin is the only one limiting it (Destroying it). Hopefully Minnesota Regional will allow it... :)
Not a whole lot of spots around Williams Arena.......the two lots that are around are owned by the University probably won't allow tailgating, but I'm not positive
Laaba 80
29-02-2008, 20:33
Heh, watching the news the other day (the day with the HUGE snowstorm, or one of 'em, anyway) and saw St. Thomas More High School was closed. I thought to myself, "Hey, isn't that the school where More Robotics is based?"
Yeah, our district (Kenosha Unified) was the only one in the southeast corner of Wisconsin that stayed open that day. Nice job Superintendent! :yikes:
PS: PLEASE bring Macadamia Nut chocolate. PLEEEEEAAASE. I love that stuff. :p
Kind of... Thomas More is the school we began from, and the school that we are officially associated with, however they have let it be a community team, so we have around 7 schools total. I dont go to TM, I go to Oak Creek, as do many of our teammates. We are working to have OC start our own club. We competed in the Milwaukee Vex league. There is not a big teacher support at OC. We have 1 mentor who is working to get it started. Our principal is also very pro-robotics. He has been my principal since 6th grade, so Me and one of my friends have been talking to him about it since then. Outside that, I dont think many teachers know we exist. If they do, they have absolutely no idea what we do. We also dont work in Thomas More. We work at American Acryllics.
Joey
Laaba 80
29-02-2008, 20:39
Ok, i'll admit that I think Brett Favre is a cool guy, but seriously, whats up with his last name?
And don't be hatin' on Rex. He's got a great arm and he's..... I'm sorry, i cant even make anything up. Even Bears fans hate him:mad: ... *huddles up in fetal position and mutters to self*
This argument may get a bit intense...
Orton (w00t)
Whats up with Favres name??? Lets look at some of the bears last names : Grossman, Griese, 2 guys who wish they were relater to Peyton and Eli, Butkus????
and you think Favre is wierd?:D
Joey
Kevin.Core
02-03-2008, 11:32
Just got home from the St. Louis regionals, what a blast. We did fantastic this year. lost by a close margin in both of the semi final matches to the eventual winners 148, 217, 830 (great teams). What a fantastic regional! a few minor tweaks, and we look forward to seeing all the great teams here at the Wisconsin regional!
Hey! Congrats to Kevin and the rest of team 2062 on the Entrepreneurship and Website Award. Sounds like you guys had quite a showing as well.
Another congrats to Kevin K and team 1675 on the 6th place finish and team spirit award down at Midwest.
Laaba 80
02-03-2008, 15:10
Hey! Congrats to Kevin and the rest of team 2062 on the Entrepreneurship and Website Award. Sounds like you guys had quite a showing as well.
I may be wrong, but didnt they also win the Safety award. They are just like us at WI last year.:D
Joey
ShotgunNinja
03-03-2008, 21:59
Is anyone else staying at the Hyatt across the street from the competition site? Team 1652 is dropping off our higher-ups (and me, for some ODD reason... :confused: ) on Wednesday night (the 13th, I believe), the day before the Tech Day. If anyone is staying there, and can afford to bring an Xbox 360... that'd be great, thanks. I'll bring controllers.
Just so you all know, I'm really excited about this year's competition, our robot, and how much my hard work (no, really!) is going to pay off this year. Go Wisconsin!
Just a side note: About Favre's name, it wasn't our fault. He's actually a boy of the south, Mississippi if I remember correctly. You guys have the Internet, go Google it.
Aren_Hill
03-03-2008, 22:57
Just a little warning from us, the inconsistent showing in chicago will not be repeated, we've already got our list of improvements, watch out lol
etphonehome
06-03-2008, 17:12
537 will be there
of course
Dan Petrovic
06-03-2008, 19:15
Can anybody tell me about whether or not the regional will be recorded/webcasted?
Ricky Q.
06-03-2008, 19:22
It will be webcasted, stay tuned for details next week.
-Ricky
Kevin Kolodziej
06-03-2008, 23:25
Can anybody tell me about whether or not the regional will be recorded/webcasted?
I will be recording all of the matches and awards for (eventual) upload to SOAP/TBA. I'm hoping to get that taken care of fairly quickly so that teams can benefit from it for scouting, but we'll have to see what the real world says about that...:rolleyes:
Hi All!
Team 754 will be there for sure! Can't Wait!!! But.. Our mentors did not sign us up for the dinner at the team social, there was a communication issue... Any teams have ANY extra tickets they can spare??
Kevin Kolodziej
07-03-2008, 08:01
I wish you the best in finding extra wristbands from other teams, but if you are unable to, you are still welcome to attend the social and see all that Discovery World has to offer and mingle with the teams - you will just have to find food on your own prior to or after the social event.
if worst comes to worst.. We will make the mentor who forgot to sign us up buy us a nice dinner or something.. haha. But, if ANY teams has extra food wristbands, please PM me so we can figure out what we are going to do.
Matt Peterson
Team Electrician, Programmer, and Webmaster
RETIREMENT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
http://www.jeffssports.com/catalog/photos/albums/eBay_Shots/Favre/8X10PHO%2010.jpg
had to, lol
Alec
Laaba 80
09-03-2008, 13:53
Alec, you're about 5 days late for that.
Joey
Aren_Hill
09-03-2008, 15:13
anybody have a clue if a practice field will be present?
Last year there was a practice field present. I would assume that there will be again this year. It probably won't be a full sized field.
Ricky, can you confirm this?
GBilletdeaux930
11-03-2008, 21:43
Hey don't know if its been mentioned but the wisconsin regional will be webcasted on wisconsinregional.org (http://www.wisconsinregional.org/)just scroll down the page a bit and its on the left.
Ricky Q.
12-03-2008, 02:09
Last year there was a practice field present. I would assume that there will be again this year. It probably won't be a full sized field.
Ricky, can you confirm this?
I am 90% sure there will be carpet and 1/2 an overpass. No guarantees on walls or a lane divider.
bcieslak
12-03-2008, 11:13
Ham Radio Operators coming to the WI regional!
The two meter repeater Frequency is 146.31/91 PL 127.3 Hz for wide coverage.
or
W9HHX MSOE Amateur radio club repeater in downtown Milwaukee is 147.27 - 600 Khz Offset 127.3 Hz PL
Brian K9WIS
Team 1675
(will be monitoring 31/91 Wed nite)
The doors are open! Any pictures? Being four hours away right now just isn't as much fun as being there. Does anyone know if the WebCast will be up and running for practice today?
I hope this works as a link to the WebCast:
http://www.ustream.tv/channel/first-wisconsin-regional-2008
Ricky Q.
13-03-2008, 10:14
Webcast is up and running! Practice matches start at 10a in 45 mins.
http://www.ustream.tv/channel/first-wisconsin-regional-2008
themagic8ball
13-03-2008, 10:55
You are my hero! I was hoping there would be a webcast, I go to school in Utah and I gotta support 537!
All I see on the webcast is the Overdrive logo. Is anyone else experiencing the same thing?
is there a online version of the match schedule anywhere?
Ricky Q.
13-03-2008, 20:29
is there a online version of the match schedule anywhere?
It will be available tomorrow as soon as the first match is played and scored, the uploads in the scoring system don't start until that.
The link will be:
http://www2.usfirst.org/2008comp/events/WI/schedulequal.html
Anyone out there that was watching the webcast today: How was it? I think the video was OK but am unsure about the audio? Let me know. Thanks!!
thanks, will there be wireless there to download it? else it'll do no good...
and I'll be spending the evening typing them into excel
Vikesrock
13-03-2008, 21:51
It will be available tomorrow as soon as the first match is played and scored, the uploads in the scoring system don't start until that.
The link will be:
http://www2.usfirst.org/2008comp/events/WI/schedulequal.html
Anyone out there that was watching the webcast today: How was it? I think the video was OK but am unsure about the audio? Let me know. Thanks!!
Video was okay (looked the same as AZ did on Ustream last week). Audio was not so good, it was very garbled.
The video was fine and will only get better when they use multiple cameras. The audio was weird. I really can not put it into words. It seemed like something was not connected right. When it was quiet, it was OK, but when it started to get louder, which was most of the time, it broke up and was difficult to listen to. It became distorted, I can duplicate a similar affect by turning my computors audio processor all the wayup and then use the volume control on the speakers to turn down the volume.
Thank you for putting the WebCast Together!
GBilletdeaux930
13-03-2008, 22:35
so, how was everyones first day?
i have to say we were pretty much satisfied w/ our robot except autonomous but we think we got that figured out a good 4 hours after our last practice match so yea, lookin forward to qualifiing matches
gurellia53
13-03-2008, 23:17
so, how was everyones first day?
i have to say we were pretty much satisfied w/ our robot except autonomous but we think we got that figured out a good 4 hours after our last practice match so yea, lookin forward to qualifiing matches
A typical practice day. A lot of finishing work and tuning being done on robots (ours included).
Between driving and fixing the robot, I haven't been able to watch many matches. What are everyone's thoughts on the field?
dubious elise
14-03-2008, 08:25
Audio was decent (not exactly music quality, but I can deal) - video came through surprisingly well with few hiccups. Is there anywhere that we can find match listings and results, though? FIRSTs site isn't working for me...
JaneYoung
15-03-2008, 00:18
I would like to congratulate John Wanninger. The Hilltoppers must be absolutely delighted.
I met John at the 2007 IRI when I turned in my 2007 IRI Word Search for a prize. I selected a Hilltopper teeshirt. :) John and I spent some time talking about what it means to be a mentor on a FIRST team. His passion for working with teenagers and helping them develop into young role models in their own right was so evident. In a pit filled with hustle and bustle, noise, and hard work, this wonderful conversation unfolded, even though he had to get back to his team. As I was leaving the gym at the end of IRI, I saw John and went over to spend a few more moments listening to his wisdom. As I walked to my car, I had tears in my eyes, thinking about the impact this quiet man has on those whose lives he touches - even for a few moments.
I had tears in my eyes again today. They were of joy and celebration.
Congratulations again, John. All the best to you and to the team.
Jane
Ricky Q.
15-03-2008, 08:00
The Wisconsin Regional is running smoothly here and we are having a blast.
Winnovation 1625, Team Driven 1730 and Robot Casserole 1736 are all solid shooters and having success launching the ball for hurdles. Several other teams are having success hurdling and lapping as well.
Hope the webcast is working decently for all, we were averaging around 250 viewers steadily yesterday. UStream seems to be working perfectly, minus the audio which I haven't figured out yet.
Here is some great Milwaukee media coverage of the event:
http://www.jsonline.com/story/index.aspx?id=728109#top
http://www.myfoxmilwaukee.com/myfox/pages/News/Detail?contentId=6034882&version=2&locale=EN-US&layoutCode=VSTY&pageId=3.8.1
Pat McCarthy
15-03-2008, 14:03
The webcast of Wisconsin regional is the front page video on ustream.tv right now, some great exposure for FIRST.
Renee Becker-Blau
15-03-2008, 23:54
Team 1675 would like to thank Teams 1730 and 1625 for the great alliance. That was a great regional, one of the best we've ever been to, and a great moral booster. You both have amazing robots and awesome team mates, keep up the good work! See you next year.
Team Captain Renee Becker (aka the girl in the yellow cape and blue tube skirt)
Aren_Hill
16-03-2008, 10:42
1625 sends thanks back to 1675 and to 1730 for being our other hurdler.
it just so happened in one of the matches something got caught and managed to burn out the one motor in the robot that takes the longest time to replace.
you know its a bad sign when your sprinting through the pits with an arbor press....
Sunshine
16-03-2008, 11:20
Team 2062, The C.O.R.E. would like to thank teams 171 and 2549 for the great alliance and championship victory. You guys rock! The great team chemistry and phenomenal team work really paid off. We couldn't have asked for a better alliance. Thank you team 171 for picking us. We will be forever grateful. Team 2549, you played like you have been around for a very long time. You are a rookie team that people need to watch.
It was a hard fought battle in the final rounds. Teams 1306, 93, 2169 and 1652 should be very proud of their accomplishments and display of professionalism. Our heartfelt thoughts go out to team 1652 who broke down in the second final match. To go so far and not be able to participate in the final match must have been devastating. Congrats to 1306 for waiting in the wings and making it to the big show.
A big congratulations go out to team 1714, More Robotics for receiving the Chairman's award. You represent our state and FIRST extremely well. Very well deserved for a truly great team.
Team 93 also deserves recognition for receiving the Regional Engineering Inspiration Award. We can all learn from your team.
See you in Atlanta
XaulZan11
16-03-2008, 11:34
I'm not a big fan of all the typical congratulations for the winners/thanking alliance partners that everyone does, but 1714 is truely deserving of the chairman's award. While they are not that well known here, they are the real deal. Every time there is some publicity for FIRST, community service or anything related to FIRST happens in the Milwaukee area 1714 is involved and most of the time leading and organizing it.
Not to take anything away from the winners, but it is always difficult to see elimination matchs effected or decided by robots breaking down. In the Semifinals, 1625 was 'shooterless' for a match and a half, and 1730 bent their ball picker upper, making it 'shooterless' too for almost an entire match. I think those two teams were a clearly the best two teams at the regional and it is unfortunate to see them fall short by breaking. Then in the finals 1652 broke down, forcing 1306 (not 2169 as mentioned above). In the final match, 2169 broke down or got stuck on thier first lap.
AllieLallah15
16-03-2008, 11:48
Our power cord wasn't zip-tied. During the hybrid period, when we hit that wall, the power cord was knocked loose so we completely lost power and couldn't move at all.
Our team does want team 93 to get a sincere thanks, they were great in that last match even when we were immobile.
First off: Big thank you to every volunteer, judge, referee, and planning committee member for what was probably the best regional ever. Big congratulations to Laurie Vertz for winning volunteer of the year. You worked your butt off so hard this whole year to make this regional a success and Ii can't think of anyone who deserves it more.
Thank you to teams 2062 and 2549 for the great alliance. You don't need to be thankful for us picking you; you both earned your way into this alliance and when the time came, you both demonstrated that you were the right teams for the alliance. The amount of professionalism and sportsmanship you guys had was amazing and I can't think of a decision that paid off more.
Thank you to teams 2169, 93 and 1652 for being such gracious opponents. You worked so well together throughout the eliminations to get to the finals and we cheered you on the whole way. Congrats as well to 93 for the Engineering Inspiration Award. You guys define Wisconsin Robotics and I'm happy to see you were recognized for it.
Congratulations to 1714 on the Chairman's Award. You guys deserved it last year at Buckeye and I'm so proud of you for not just the award, but for the reason you won it.
Lastly, thank you to team 2194, Fondy Fire for sharing scouting duties with us during the qualifiers. We have a smaller team and you were more than willing to show us a helping hand. I'm so happy to see you guys make it to the finals and I can't wait to see you again in Minnesota.
AllieLallah15
16-03-2008, 12:14
And congrats to you guys. 171, that was really an amazing belt grabber and honestly, you definately deserved to win. All three of your alliance partners did a fantastic job! We look forward to seeing you guys here in MN in two weeks!
And congrats to you guys. 171, that was really an amazing belt grabber and honestly, you definately deserved to win. All three of your alliance partners did a fantastic job! We look forward to seeing you guys here in MN in two weeks!
We won't be at Minnesota. I am volunteering there.
AllieLallah15
16-03-2008, 12:33
In that case, we'll still probably see you there :D
Our power cord wasn't zip-tied. During the hybrid period, when we hit that wall, the power cord was knocked loose so we completely lost power and couldn't move at all.
Our team does want team 93 to get a sincere thanks, they were great in that last match even when we were immobile.
I think that if you had not lost power you would have won the match. ...Well, I like to think that because I was rooting for your alliance :)
I thought it was great that 171 and 93 proved that arm bots could do just as well and better than shooter bots :)
Hey I didn't get to go to Wisconsin, so does anyone know if there are videos of the teams competing? Thanks!
MegaSparks
16-03-2008, 13:35
I think the matches should be up on thebluealliance.net this week. Nothing is up on the site from the Wisconsin regional yet.
Aren_Hill
16-03-2008, 14:39
I thought it was great that 171 and 93 proved that arm bots could do just as well and better than shooter bots :)
i'm am completely confident if both shooter robots were functioning the arms wouldn't have stood a very good chance.
if video of our last qualification match is anywhere count the hurdles.
shooters are still better
i'm am completely confident if both shooter robots were functioning the arms wouldn't have stood a very good chance.
if video of our last qualification match is anywhere count the hurdles.
shooters are still better
Depends on the shooter... Depends on the arm... Depends on the driver... This can be saved for another topic.
AllieLallah15
16-03-2008, 15:01
I think it all lies in strategy. Arm bots can be just as efficient as shooter bots if they know how to play. 171 rocked it, as did 93 and 2062 and several other arm bots.
Although, 1625 and 1730 both had the best engineered robots at the competition. They were both fantastic.
Laaba 80
16-03-2008, 15:06
I'm not a big fan of all the typical congratulations for the winners/thanking alliance partners that everyone does, but 1714 is truely deserving of the chairman's award. While they are not that well known here, they are the real deal. Every time there is some publicity for FIRST, community service or anything related to FIRST happens in the Milwaukee area 1714 is involved and most of the time leading and organizing it.
Thank you. We really do get involved in most FIRST related things in Milwaukee, and we also try to get involved in FIRST events across the state. We are all very happy that we won chairmans. We are now looking forward to Cleveland next week because most pressure will be off, and we can have a good time. As a driver, I was a little disappointed that our robot didnt work, but after alliance selections we got our robot working and was hurdling on the practice field. We are excited for the Championships, and will do our best to represent Wisconsin well.
Joey
Wow, I would just like to say thank you to all of the teams who helped out team 2526 at the regional. You all helped create an amazing experience for my entire team at our first FIRST competition. There were so many times where if oher teams hadn't helped us out, we'd be screwed, but whenever we asked, multiple teams were at our pit ready to help in minutes.
The whole experience was amazing, from the euphoria of winning a match, to the anger of losing a match. The worst part of it all was ranking 16th, but not getting picked, we're all past that now though.
And those were some amazing finals! What really surprised me was that 1625 and 1730 didn't win. As soon as Winnovation drafted Team Driven, I thought it was all over, the victory banners could be given out then. What a bummer that 1625's robot broke.
Well, once again, thanks to all the teams who helped make this regional an experience of a lifetime.
(And now I've got to wait a whole year before I can go to another regional! Ahh, the plight of a low budget rookie team!)
Laaba 80
16-03-2008, 15:11
I would like to congratulate John Wanninger. The Hilltoppers must be absolutely delighted.
I met John at the 2007 IRI when I turned in my 2007 IRI Word Search for a prize. I selected a Hilltopper teeshirt. :) John and I spent some time talking about what it means to be a mentor on a FIRST team. His passion for working with teenagers and helping them develop into young role models in their own right was so evident. In a pit filled with hustle and bustle, noise, and hard work, this wonderful conversation unfolded, even though he had to get back to his team. As I was leaving the gym at the end of IRI, I saw John and went over to spend a few more moments listening to his wisdom. As I walked to my car, I had tears in my eyes, thinking about the impact this quiet man has on those whose lives he touches - even for a few moments.
I had tears in my eyes again today. They were of joy and celebration.
Congratulations again, John. All the best to you and to the team.
Jane
I would like to congradulate him also. He was the reason I got into FIRST. When I was in 4th grade he found out about FLL. He got a group together and we started a team. He was the lead mentor of 2 teams after the first year, and for 3 years in a row, an FLL team he mentored made it to the world festival. If John hadnt found FLL, I think the amount of FIRST groups in the Milwaukee area would be completely different. Great Jobb!
Joey
Sunshine
16-03-2008, 15:30
My favorite robot at the Wisconsin Regional was from Team 1730. I especially liked their Mortar. We were fortunate to be situated across from the practice field and was able to watch all teams checking out their robot. The 1730 robot was cool to watch. The mortar idea was great with the surgical tubing and ball screw. I saw them using a sensor switch that automatically closed their gripper when the ball was positioned correctly. That was a great idea. Their ball removal idea was similar to ours and very effective. They were well deserving of the Delphi "Driving Tomorrow's Technology" Award.
As far as arm bots vs shooter bots............... I agree that there are enough threads on this site concerning the discussion. My only observation is that I believe the highest scoring points in a match at Milwaukee came from 2 arm bots. It was 118 points I believe. :ahh:
Aren_Hill
16-03-2008, 15:34
As far as arm bots vs shooter bots............... I agree that there are enough threads on this site concerning the discussion. My only observation is that I believe the highest scoring points in a match at Milwaukee came from 2 arm bots. It was 112 points I believe. :ahh:
thats when 2 good bots were together and functioning congrats on 112.
our team almost alone got 98, us and 1730 both functioning at the same time could've blasted 112 away, sorry
As far as arm bots vs shooter bots............... I agree that there are enough threads on this site concerning the discussion. My only observation is that I believe the highest scoring points in a match at Milwaukee came from 2 arm bots. It was 112 points I believe. :ahh:
Matches can not be compared. There are so many variables going into each match, even one consisting of the same robots. Congratulations on your win, however events would have transpired very very differently had our alliances bots performed through the end of the day.
Sean Schuff
16-03-2008, 15:40
Congrats to all award winners at the 2008 Wisconsin Regional! There was a rich field of very deserving teams at the competition and I can only imagine the judges' decisions for who to acknowledge were not easy ones!
It was tough to come in second but to lose to 171 (a team that now has two NEW Apple Corps alumni on it) and 2062 (who's field coach is a visionary educator and a FIRST mentor to keep an eye on!) was not all bad. Kudos to both of your teams along with 2549 for winning the 2008 Wisconsin Regional! It was a ball playing against you in the finals!
Winning the Engineering Inspiration award was a complete surprise!! We do what we do becuase we know it is the right thing to do and it is good for our students, our community and our future. I had tears in my eyes as I came out of the judges line to the chants ("Schuff! Schuff! Schuff!) of our team members and felt embarassed that so much attention was given to me. Just to set the record straight, the NEW Apple Corps is all about its 38 students, 22 mentors, numerous sponsors and parents who support us every step of the way. While I may be the most public face of the team (my officially assigned task at the WI Regional was "schmoozing") we would not be the team we are without the countless hours of dedication, nearly bottomless well of patience, and technical expertise of all our mentors who so willingly share all of this with some of the most phenomonal students I have every known. This season has been one of the most memorable in my nine years with Team 93.
A special thanks to Fondy Fire for doing as we asked. Last year while we mentored them they asked what they could do to repay us for our help and our only request was that they pass on what we had given them. They certainly honored our request by mentoring Lancer Robotics Team 2437 from Honolulu, Hawaii and helped get their pit placed right next to ours in Wisconsin so we could both lend them a helping hand. Fondy Fire, in only their second year in FIRST, already embodies what we should all be trying to do - get the word out and inspire the next generation of scientists, engineers, mathematicians, and technologists.
Finally, thanks to John Budish and the rest of the planning committee for thinking of our team when it came to selecting someone to speak during the VIP luncheon. It was an honor to represent the teams at the regional in trying to convey to this group how powerful the impact of FIRST can be and why we keep coming back for more. FIRST is an experience like no other and I can't get enough of telling people about how it has changed so many lives, mine included.
We CAN change the world!!
Sean
benbrown197
16-03-2008, 16:47
well on behalf of 1730, we'd like to thank all those on 1625 and 1675 for all of the hard work. hard breaks just happen sometimes, that's life.
and in reply to the shooter vs. arm debate,
if you look at the stats of the shooters and the arm bots, the shooters where scoring more (1625 with 6 hurdles), and more consistently. just my 2 cents.
Shyguynate64
16-03-2008, 18:08
My heart goes out to all those that broke down in the elimination matches, believe me I did not want to win with your robots like that. It would have been awesome to see how the matches would have gone if these unforseeable events had not happened. :D But i also believe that robustness is a big part of a great design.
hard breaks just happen sometimes, that's life.
I couldnt agree with this more.
The trick to getting through life is to learn to roll with the punches. :p
I personally like arm robots because not only can they hurdle, but they can also place, knock down, and potentially block shooters shots (not sure if this is legal though). Just my 2 cents... ;)
My heart goes out to all those that broke down in the qualification matches, believe me I did not want to win with your robots like that. It would have been awesome to see how the matches would have gone if these unforseeable events had not happened. :D But i also believe that robustness is a big part of a great design.
I couldnt agree with this more.
The trick to getting through life is to learn to roll with the punches. :p
I personally like arm robots because not only can they hurdle, but they can also place, knock down, and potentially block shooters shots (not sure if this is legal though). Just my 2 cents... ;)
It's legal if the shooter isn't lifting the ball or moving towards the Overpass... then again, you still gotta be ale to take the hit ;)
It was a great regional, thanks to 1625 and 1730 for the pick, and congrats to all the other teams at the regional. It was a blast.
XaulZan11
16-03-2008, 18:29
and in reply to the shooter vs. arm debate,
if you look at the stats of the shooters and the arm bots, the shooters where scoring more (1625 with 6 hurdles), and more consistently. just my 2 cents.
I think that is a big claim to make without bringing any numbers (besides 1 match) and looking at the teams. According to 1732's scouting numbers, 1625 and 1730 were #1 and #2 in hurdles per match. 1736 was #6 and 141 was #10. Also, all of those four teams are not your average teams. Without looking at thier robots, I would have expected those 4 teams to be near the top in scoring. So, was it that they built shooters or because they are just good teams? Its like having 111, 233, and 1114 build arms bots and compare those three robots to three rookie shooter robots. I would bet that the arms would be better, but just because they were built by better, more experienced teams.
I would have liked to see an alliance against the 1625 and 1730 alliance slow the match down, keep the scores low and attempt to win it at the end by placing.
My favorite robot at the Wisconsin Regional was from Team 1730. I especially liked their Mortar. We were fortunate to be situated across from the practice field and was able to watch all teams checking out their robot. The 1730 robot was cool to watch. The mortar idea was great with the surgical tubing and ball screw. I saw them using a sensor switch that automatically closed their gripper when the ball was positioned correctly. That was a great idea. Their ball removal idea was similar to ours and very effective. They were well deserving of the Delphi "Driving Tomorrow's Technology" Award.
As far as arm bots vs shooter bots............... I agree that there are enough threads on this site concerning the discussion. My only observation is that I believe the highest scoring points in a match at Milwaukee came from 2 arm bots. It was 112 points I believe. :ahh:
Although there was a 112 point match, there was also a 118 point match by the same alliance, 2 arm bots.
I don't think you can say arm robots are better than shooter robots or vice versa, but rather that it depends on the individual robot. There are shooters that are better than some arm robots; and some arm robots that are better than shooters.
I really liked CORE's arm too. They could run up to the overpass as fast as they wanted and release it without having to worry about falling over but getting caught on the overpass.
Mark Holschuh
16-03-2008, 20:10
Fondy Fire also sends kudos to John Wanninger for getting the Woodie Flowers Award. John and his wife Sue have done so much over the years.
Also congrats to More Robotics for winning the Chairman's Award. They have definitely done Dean's Homework. I swear they must be looking for opportunities to demonstrate a robot. I thought it was great when some team in the upper deck started chanting "wicked awesome" when the award was announced.
NEW Apple Corps are definitely our Engineering Inspiration. They have showed us how to succeed since our first kickoff meeting. We couldn't be happier that they won the Engineering Inspiration Award, and also finished in the 2nd place alliance with King TeC, Lakeview Legends, and the Badger Bots.
Congrats to the winners, Extreme Engineering, CORE Robotics, and the Millerbots. Our team shared scouting duties with Extreme Engineering, and they also have one of our alumni as a mentor at UW-Platteville. Your alliance showed how important it is to have a durable robot at a FIRST competition.
Our hearts go out to Winnovation. I was packing up in the pits, and I knew it was bad when I saw one of your team sprint by us carrying an arbor press. We were very impressed with your performance at both the Midwest and Wisconsin Regionals. Team Driven and Chop Shop both came a long way to Wisconsin, and you all have great teams and great robots.
Thanks to the Masters of Machinery and the High Jumps for choosing us as an alliance partner. We gave it a good run.
My favorite play of the day happened in Quarterfinal 1, Match 1, when I believe it was Charger Robotics that stuck up their arm and blocked successively launched trackballs from Winnovation and Team Driven. I can't wait for that video to be posted.
All the rookie teams did great at Wisconsin. Thanks to all the veteran teams that helped the rookies as needed.
Thanks to all the volunteers who made everything possible. FIRST couldn't survive without you.
Finally, congrats to the Lancer Robotics team from Honolulu. Your team was well prepared, you consistently scored 8 points in hybrid, and you never got any penalties. The cost of entering the Wisconsin Regional - $4000. Shipping your robot back to Hawaii - $3000. Airfare, hotel and food for each person - $1000+. Winning Rookie All-Star (and sponsorship to go to Atlanta) - Priceless!
Chaos in a Can
16-03-2008, 21:12
Robot Casserole would like to thank NEW Apple Corps for the Supershifter part that brought our robot back to life.
Note to anyone using servos to shift: There aren't supposed to be washers on the shaft where the servo connects to it. If there are, your shifter will grind itself into oblivion, and being unable to move in high gear during a quarter-finals match is not fun.
Another thanks to the Robohuskies for picking us for their alliance!
Also, we heard over the intercom that someone was in need of a plutonium battery. Are you sure that's a legal part?
(Better yet, how'd you get that announced?)
Kevin Kolodziej
16-03-2008, 21:34
Thanks again to 1625 and 1730 for giving us a chance to play with the big guns! While it is unfortunate that we were never able to get our lift working, we're glad that our speed and defense did not go unnoticed. In the end, though, it's simply not possible to win an elim match when your alliance has no way to hurdle. This brings an end to the Ultimate Protection Squad's official FIRST season, but we're hoping to make it to some offseason events and show what we can really do!
Also thanks to teams 904 and 2039 for the parts to help with our lift. Sorry we couldn't put them to better use at the event, but know that they will not be wasted!
Congrats to John Wanninger for the Woodie Flowers Award. He possesses a passion and spirit for all things FIRST that can inpsire everyone, from the youngest student on an FLL team to the oldest mentor on an FRC team. It was an honor to present this award. I had goosebumps and had to choke back some tears prior to reading the award after hearing the "Kevin! Kevin! Kevin!" chants in the arena
Thank you to everyone for making this an event to remember. The US Cellular Arena was packed all three days and the competition was intense. It was great to see all my old friends and make quite a few new ones too!
And to all of you waiting for video, patience is a virtue! I have all of it and will be parsing as quickly as I can. I will get the elims posted first and then the qualifying will roll in as quickly as I can. I should be able to get through the elims within a day or two (I have a lot of FIRST time to make up at work now..)
Shyguynate64
16-03-2008, 21:46
It's legal if the shooter isn't lifting the ball or moving towards the Overpass... then again, you still gotta be ale to take the hit ;)
It was a great regional, thanks to 1625 and 1730 for the pick, and congrats to all the other teams at the regional. It was a blast.
I was wondering not if the shooter gets hit, but if the arm robot moves so that its arm blocks the ball.:(
XaulZan11
16-03-2008, 21:53
I was wondering not if the shooter gets hit, but if the arm robot moves so that its arm blocks the ball.:(
I don't think there is any rule against blocking an already launched ball.
The rule about protection for shooter is that the top of the ball has to be higher than the line divider (it doesn't matter if the ball is being lifted or not) or the robot has to be moving towards the overpass in order to recieve protection. This is something that I noticed with 1730. Right before they shot, they stopped most of the time allowing them to be hit. I didn't see any teams take advantage of it, though.
AllieLallah15
16-03-2008, 22:06
Also, we heard over the intercom that someone was in need of a plutonium battery. Are you sure that's a legal part?
(Better yet, how'd you get that announced?)
Last year we got "Attention in the pits. Team 2169 is in need of a flux capacitor." announced.
It was amazing.
AllieLallah15
16-03-2008, 22:09
Also, in the practice matches, it was team 2169 and another arm bot that scored 130 points.
Shyguynate64
16-03-2008, 22:15
Also, in the practice matches, it was team 2169 and another arm bot that scored 130 points.
Did that match have all 6 robots and 2 minutes long, because I know that there werent always 6 robots, and many of the practice matches were longer the 2 minutes.:confused:
1675 had a flux capacitor that ran on safety tokens instead of plutonium!
Shyguynate64
16-03-2008, 22:19
On our robot before the regionals, when we had weight to spare, we had an extra vector speed controller and spike relay, which we connected with a green piece of pneumatic tubing, and called the spike relay "super charger", and the speed controller "instant win". :cool:
Dan Petrovic
16-03-2008, 22:22
Team 166 would love to thank everyone for what you did when we received the Gracious Professionalism award.
Nothing was better than hearing everyone else chant "Wicked Awesome!" as we made our way down to the field. :p
We would like to thank Team 141 and Team 1259 for being great partners in the elimination rounds. You guys kept a great, positive attitude during those matches.
I don't think there is any rule against blocking an already launched ball.
The rule about protection for shooter is that the top of the ball has to be higher than the line divider (it doesn't matter if the ball is being lifted or not) or the robot has to be moving towards the overpass in order to recieve protection. This is something that I noticed with 1730. Right before they shot, they stopped most of the time allowing them to be hit. I didn't see any teams take advantage of it, though.
Yeah, we were concerned about having defense played on us while we were hurdling. We talked to the ref about it and checked it out. On a field built to the specifications put forward by FIRST, we ball would have protruded above the top of the lane divider. However, the one at milwaukee was 6'2" instead of 6' so we weren't covered. And yes, blocking an already released ball is a legitimate strategy, kudos to 537 on blocking and withstanding the force of the projectile. That was quite a sight.
I'm not a big fan of all the typical congratulations for the winners/thanking alliance partners that everyone does, but 1714 is truely deserving of the chairman's award. While they are not that well known here, they are the real deal. Every time there is some publicity for FIRST, community service or anything related to FIRST happens in the Milwaukee area 1714 is involved and most of the time leading and organizing it.
Not to take anything away from the winners, but it is always difficult to see elimination matchs effected or decided by robots breaking down. In the Semifinals, 1625 was 'shooterless' for a match and a half, and 1730 bent their ball picker upper, making it 'shooterless' too for almost an entire match. I think those two teams were a clearly the best two teams at the regional and it is unfortunate to see them fall short by breaking. Then in the finals 1652 broke down, forcing 1306 (not 2169 as mentioned above). In the final match, 2169 broke down or got stuck on thier first lap.
I do agree with you that 1714 is a great team and deserves recognition for all of there accomplishments.
However, I don't agree with you about finals being decided by robots breaking down. You are taking away from my alliance accomplishing winning the regional, and I will tell you why. You can build an awesome shooting robot, but it doesn't do any good if you don't build it robustly. During the entire competition our robot, need only fine tuning, but no major repairs. Our alliance and pit neighbor 2549 needed little repairs either. It is also not wise to hinge your whole design on the fate of one small component. If you watch the footage from the regional 171's ball collecting belt cam off in the end of the final match, however we were still able to operate with the other belt.
So, although I am bias, I disagree with your assessment of the best teams at the regional. The design process starts with the concept and ends with the longevity of your design. I think the best teams won the regional!
Casey Gales
Mechanical Engineer
i'm am completely confident if both shooter robots were functioning the arms wouldn't have stood a very good chance.
if video of our last qualification match is anywhere count the hurdles.
shooters are still better
If both shooters were built more durable they may have been better. But the shooter design is more fragile, and it is still part of the outcome if your robot breaks. Thats like saying, my car would have won the race if the transmission didn't blow up. So, its not shooter verses arm, its durable versus fragile. That is the design dilemma.....
Casey Gales
Mechanical Engineer
Chaos in a Can
17-03-2008, 02:16
But, our transmission did... umm... never mind. XD
A shooter isn't necessarily more fragile than an arm.
I've seen multiple arms fall apart during a match, but many shooters, especially the mechanically simple ones like ours, would have to take quite a beating to break.
Breakdowns are also often caused by parts not specific to either shooters or arms. Problems in the drivetrain or electronics can easily leave you motionless on the field.
XaulZan11
17-03-2008, 10:23
However, I don't agree with you about finals being decided by robots breaking down. You are taking away from my alliance accomplishing winning the regional, and I will tell you why. You can build an awesome shooting robot, but it doesn't do any good if you don't build it robustly. During the entire competition our robot, need only fine tuning, but no major repairs. Our alliance and pit neighbor 2549 needed little repairs either. It is also not wise to hinge your whole design on the fate of one small component. If you watch the footage from the regional 171's ball collecting belt cam off in the end of the final match, however we were still able to operate with the other belt.
So, although I am bias, I disagree with your assessment of the best teams at the regional. The design process starts with the concept and ends with the longevity of your design. I think the best teams won the regional!
Casey Gales
Mechanical Engineer
I did not say your team was bad or that your team would have lost to them in the finals if they would not have broken. I think it is disapointing to watch a match that one or two teams breaks instead of having all 6 robots play thier hearts out and the match be decided on a last second place or knock off. As a fan watching the matches, most would agree that this is more exciting than having a robot stuck or broken. If I offended you or your team, I am sorry.
Last year at Wisconsin, we were paired with 1816 in the eliminations. We thought we had a very strong alliance. But in the semifinals, 1816's banebot transmission broke on the left (?) side. Without thier defense, we lost the next 2 matchs. It is a very bad feeling to lose because someone on your alliance breaking down. I would have much rather lost by simply losing to a better alliance. Then, I would have known that we were not the best alliance. Instead, I am still thinking "what if...".
I do stand by my comment that 1625 and 1730 were the best teams at the regional. Again, that does not mean that your team is awful or anything. Just by looking at the numbers 1625 and 1730 averaged 42.8 and 37 points respectivly. 171 was 5th with 30.9.
Yes, being a robust robot is important. But to the best of my knowledge, 1730 never had the problem of thier ball picker-upper bending, or 1625 with the motor.
I also think it is nearly impossible to make the claim that the shooter design isn't has robust as the arm design (or vica versa) without doing a huge statisically study on it.
niteowl22
17-03-2008, 10:44
On Friday afternoon, 3 students were interviewed by the media from team 1091. Does anyone know where the team could find the video? Although I don't believe it was broadcast, the team would like to have a copy of it.
Team 1091 is looking forward to seeing you all next year. We were only able to attend one regional event this year, but hope to go to two regionals next year.
Thanks to the Regional Committee for putting on a great Regional.
Anne
niteowl22
17-03-2008, 10:55
On Friday afternoon, 3 students were interviewed by the media from team 1091. Does anyone know where the team could find the video? Although I don't believe it was broadcast, the team would like to have a copy of it.
Team 1091 is looking forward to seeing you all next year. We were only able to attend one regional event this year, but hope to go to two regionals next year.
Thanks to the Regional Committee for putting on a great Regional.
Anne
Laurie Vertz
17-03-2008, 10:59
I should be working...but I am having too much fun reading what everyone else has entered. Because I work as a volunteer I miss most of the competition. Thanks to all of you who have posted your fun stories of the Wisconsin Regional (really a plutonium battery, what will Susy come up with next year?). I kept asking volunteers and Cellular Arena staff how everything was going, are the students behaving. Every time the reply was that everyone was cooperative, practicing safety and having fun. People who staff events like this are always a little worried when we say there will be 1500 high school students. At the end they said it was pleasure to work with such a wonderful group. Thank you to all the participants for making this a fun and exciting event that we will look forward to planning again. Just a Mom, who is very proud!
niteowl22
17-03-2008, 11:39
Laurie should be working, and I should be cleaning my house and getting ready to go out at 2:30 this afternoon.
I keep getting lost reading posts too.
I would like to congratulate Laurie Vertz on receiving Volunteer of the Year. Laurie has helped team 1091 throughout the last year. I am also "just a mom" who has now been involved with team 1091 for 3 years. Any time that I asked a question through email, Laurie was quick to respond, and I am truly thankful for all of her help.
Our team observed very poor officiating at this regional. There was one instance where our robot was on the line, backed up, and then crossed it. They still called a G22 even though the robot had not completely passed the line yet. We talked to the head referee about this so that it wouldn't happen again (it caused us to tie the match, instead of win it), and he agreed with us. But we saw the same thing happen again in the elimination rounds! Our team was in the pits for most the entire competition, so we didn't see many matches, so I imagine that this occurred many more times even.
Also, they mentioned during one of the driver's meetings that an arm extension passing over the lane divider wall would be a G22, but it was almost never called. Mistakes like these can decide the outcome of the match. I think they should have introduced a tiered penalty structure this year as well. 10 points for a G22 basically takes out one robot's points for their laps. That seems a bit harsh. There should be a 5 point penalty for something like a G22 and reserve the 10 point for something like pinning a robot against the wall.
Another thing that bothered me was the case of the disappearing robots. The lane divider material reflected one side of the field onto the other from certain angles, causing the robots on the other side to disappear. Conversely, you can find that there are images of robots on your side appearing ot be on the other side. I once found myself driving around a robot that wasn't even there! Things like that need to be worked out when determining materials for the playing field.
Also, I felt that the team randomization was kinda iffy. We found that our team had never been on an alliance in qualification with any of the picking teams in elimination. There were too many teams, because such a large regional has that particular side-effect. Albeit, we didn't have the best robot, but I think we deserved to do a lot better because we were always on alliances with other mediocre bots.
Don't get me wrong, I thoroughly enjoyed it, and as always it's been a lot of fun, and I learned a lot. Doing well at competition is just icing on the cake. In fact, I'm not too bent out of shape about it. About 10 minutes after the last qualification match, I stopped being too concerned with our 57th place finish.
Of course, continuing to be the only team that has won the visualization award at WI certainly doesn't hurt things either.
...and sorry for the wall of text.
Shyguynate64
17-03-2008, 12:37
I just wanted to say that there are a couple of threads where people are talking about things like this, you might want to look them up and voice your opinion! I'm sure that FIRST would also like any suggestions they can get.
Many unfortunate calls have made in almost all of the regionals so far. I know that our team lost a couple matches due to bad penalty calls. You just have to get over it, and remember that the refs are humans too. :P
It would have been nice to see 6 working robots in the final match. I don't think I can disagree there.
However, you also have to keep in mind, when 2169 broke down, we were forced to play with only one ball (due to the positioning of the robot). To make things worse for our alliance, those amazing Appleton drivers managed to knock down the ball we couldn't use at the last second.
Yes, I know they received a couple penalties, one of them possibly being for disabling the ball, but I have confidence that with CORE hurdling as well in that match, they could have easily put up more.
As far as shooters vs arms debate i will say EXACTLY what I said about 30 posts ago...
DEPENDS ON THE ARM. DEPENDS ON THE SHOOTER. DEPENDS ON THE DRIVER.
I don't think you can declare an overall winner in this game. There were several arm robots that did better than Casserole this year. However, it could be argued that 1625 was the best robot there. I think 217 or 233 can hurdle at the same rate as 1114... I also feel like there are robots out there that could match up to 1625.
On Friday night, we compiled our scouting data to determine Average Points Scored Per Match for each team. (Including hybrid, teleop, and end game (not including knocking balls off, or penalties due to erroneous data))
The top teams were: ArmsShootersSpeed
2062 - 35.67
171 - 35.67
93 - 32.67
1625 - 32.40
1730 - 29.00
141 - 28.67
2169 - 27.00
930 - 23.20
2545 - 23.00
1732 - 21.60
1816 - 21.33
2039 - 18.00
166 - 17.00
1736 - 15.67
To ReneeB/Lady Logistics of UPS:
The fact that you posted such a prompt thank you note (to two teams that had failed to help you as much as they wanted) means Brown is the new Gold.
Laaba 80
17-03-2008, 17:02
It was an honor to present this award. I had goosebumps and had to choke back some tears prior to reading the award after hearing the "Kevin! Kevin! Kevin!" chants in the arena.
What would we do without the Kevin chant?
Joey
gurellia53
17-03-2008, 18:29
wow. The Wisconsin regional was one of the most amazing experiences ever. Our whole team had a ton of fun and was completely worn out. =]
On the other hand, our robot's performance was not what we expected. Our drive train gave us issues the whole time we were there. It acted nothing like it had during the last few weeks of the build season. Picking up the ball proved to be a huge weakness, a lot of that was caused by the robot's drive not responding to the joystick. Extremely frustrating. :(
This will be our first year we go to Atlanta. We'll definitely make some fixes by then.
But seriously an amazing time.
Tyler Olds
18-03-2008, 00:49
I will just do a general congrats to all teams for a great regional! The excitement was explosive and the competition was great.
Special congrats to 93 for winning the engineering inspiration award. Sean: It's about time you guys won this and it is well deserved.
I don't know about you guys, but if there is any more teams next year will we have to go to more fields?!?!
Aren_Hill
20-03-2008, 22:10
If both shooters were built more durable they may have been better. But the shooter design is more fragile, and it is still part of the outcome if your robot breaks. Thats like saying, my car would have won the race if the transmission didn't blow up. So, its not shooter verses arm, its durable versus fragile. That is the design dilemma.....
Casey Gales
Mechanical Engineer
the part of the shooter that broke was not the part that shot, it was the part most similar to arms of the motor toasted that lifted the ball up.
if that failure had happened outside of elim's it would have been fixed in time for the next match it just so happenes that that one takes awhile to replace...
gurellia53
20-03-2008, 22:17
the part of the shooter that broke was not the part that shot, it was the part most similar to arms of the motor toasted that lifted the ball up.
if that failure had happened outside of elim's it would have been fixed in time for the next match it just so happenes that that one takes awhile to replace...
just curious, what motor was it that burned up?
Aren_Hill
20-03-2008, 22:32
just curious, what motor was it that burned up?
the good'ol banebots 550, can't really blame it though, trying to move something that got stuck down... lol
Mike Wittman
23-03-2008, 16:59
Thank you everyone for your kind words and congratulations. 1714 Just got back from the Buckeye Regional. I had no idea how tough it was to attend back to back events. We had a blast there, but we all are exhausted.
I want to thank eveyone who helped us at the Wisconsin regional. We will represent the event well as it's Chairman's Award winner at the 2008 Chapmionship. Good luck and skill to all who will attend the Championship. We hope to see you there.
Someone once told me, I think it was Laurie Vertz, that a team is a success even if all it does is complete a robot that can drive on the playing field. I totally agree. Those who attended the Wisconsin Regional did far better than that though. Congratulations to everyone on their success at the 2008
Cangratulations to Laurie on the Outstanding Volunteer Award.
Congratulations to Team 93 for the Engineering Inspiration award.
Thank you to all of our friends from other teams who were there with us as well as the new friends we make each year. It is always a joy to see you on and off the field and reminisce about our mutual experiences.
-Mike
Aren_Hill
05-04-2008, 13:31
Offensive power rankings for wisconsin thanks to bongle
Wisconsin Regional
Code:
1625 49.8168
141 35.6332
1730 32.0028
1736 25.5406
2169 24.3109
2062 24.019
930 21.573
171 20.006
2547 19.1146
1675 18.0718
2481 17.3041
93 17.1033
166 15.6925
2549 15.4527
2606 15.3803
2535 14.9615
2545 14.8528
2526 14.6634
1091 14.3247
2437 13.5781
1816 13.1077
2574 12.4494
1739 11.8769
2530 11.2592
2116 10.8958
2077 10.7748
1652 10.6515
1103 10.364
2202 9.8298
2194 9.37814
1850 9.05741
2039 8.87432
857 8.77189
1988 8.39986
2153 8.3983
2143 7.923
2667 7.88136
1259 7.56955
537 7.14274
1716 6.86105
167 5.99421
904 5.74562
2136 5.62584
2129 5.27883
269 4.51404
74 3.56688
1306 3.53685
2220 3.22949
1714 2.86169
1732 2.31474
2506 2.25164
2538 1.84231
1864 0.955353
754 -0.576295
706 -1.18242
81 -2.20895
1984 -2.30947
1268 -2.98356
2586 -7.35126
2561 -9.22469
GBilletdeaux930
05-04-2008, 14:50
Thats interesting compairing those OPR's with andy's average points per match a few threads up. Big difference on the highest average comapred to highest opr
Thats interesting compairing those OPR's with andy's average points per match a few threads up. Big difference on the highest average comapred to highest opr
The OPRs are for all of the qualification rounds. While Andy's numbers are only for the Friday matches.
The OPRs are for all of the qualification rounds. While Andy's numbers are only for the Friday matches.
He's right. 1625 had a hell of a Saturday. I would tend to agree with the offensive power rankings over my data.
Thanks Hills.
If we REALLY need to solve the debate of shooters vs arms... I would hands down have to agree that this year, shooters tend to be the best in terms of hurdling. Arm bots tend to have a better end game. But again, I'll stress it for a 689th team, it all depends on which robot you are arguing.
If you are arguing purely over if 1625 was the best robot there, I'd have to tend to agree. But if you are arguing whether or not 93 or 525 were the best robots at Minnesota, I would also have to tend to agree.
Our list we had on draft day had a shooter as #1 but arm bots at #2 and #3. (1625, 2062, 93). I have to disagree with galesc's argument a bit. Shooters and arms tend to both break pretty equally and in terms of moving parts, they are about the same. The only reason that arms MAY break less is the speed in which its parts are moving (slower). If done right, both are very good. However, in my opinion, shooters have a much greater potential as not many arms have on-the-fly hurdling capability.
1675 is at number ten, and we pretty much only had a set of wheels o_o
I'm amazed, even though they are just numbers, hehe
My data was determined using actual scouting. Scouting was done by 2194 and 171. I have the data for every team if you want me to compile it all. This is only for Friday at Milwaukee for comparison.
Kind of interesting to see the differences.
Power Rankings
1625 1 45.6544
141 1 37.3371
1730 1 31.3317
2169 1 27.3694
2062 1 25.2449
1736 1 20.5779
1816 1 19.864
1675 1 19.2832
2547 1 18.3416
2549 1 17.2544
93 1 17.011
171 1 16.9353
930 1 16.7177
2606 1 16.5577
2077 1 16.0525
2153 1 15.7331
1850 1 15.6312
1091 1 15.5336
2202 1 14.8521
2481 1 14.6515
2545 1 14.5534
2526 1 13.1104
2437 1 12.7125
1716 1 11.9898
537 1 11.9816
166 1 10.9945
2574 1 10.0294
904 1 9.62609
2039 1 9.34348
1259 1 9.1616
2506 1 8.72875
167 1 8.64531
2667 1 8.18725
2535 1 7.59668
2530 1 7.49738
269 1 7.30741
1714 1 7.01325
857 1 6.86925
2116 1 6.45649
1103 1 5.9275
1732 1 5.82385
1652 1 5.42679
2129 1 4.6678
74 1 3.92383
2143 1 3.64548
2538 1 2.9253
2136 1 2.26655
2220 1 1.04619
1306 1 0.442787
1739 1 0.0543406
1988 1 -0.00043864
1864 1 -0.086347
1984 1 -0.339205
2194 1 -0.386904
754 1 -1.22019
81 1 -1.43283
706 1 -1.65319
2586 1 -2.85733
1268 1 -6.65054
2561 1 -11.5318
Actual
Team Avg Pts/Match
2062 35.67
171 35.67
93 32.67
1625 32.40
1730 29.00
141 28.67
2169 27.00
930 23.20
2545 23.00
1732 21.60
1816 21.33
2039 18.00
166 17.00
1736 15.67
1259 15.60
2481 15.00
1652 14.67
2606 14.40
2077 14.00
2530 14.00
2202 13.20
2129 12.80
2194 12.80
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