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Hey guys, I was just waiting for kickoff.... and thinking about what was at the end of last years film. woodie flowers and some other people were floating on the some game peices and woodie said " what are we going to do with all these inner tubes" or something along the lines of that.
What do you think the chance of using the same game peices this year would be?
thanks, vivek
Dan Petrovic
21-10-2007, 19:33
Chances? Slim to none.
The only game piece they've used back to back has been balls and even they are of various sizes, textures, and consistancies.
Whatever game piece they have for next year, I hope it is durable. Practicing with tubes is a pain because they puncture so easily.
basicxman
21-10-2007, 19:39
i doubt they'll be using the tubes again because theres a blowout sale on the FIRST store where the tubes are 2.00 dollars each (trying to get rid of them obviously)
I'm hoping for boxes. We were good at Stack Attack.
basicxman
21-10-2007, 21:48
when it comes to picking up the tubes im surprised alot of teams went with the traiditional gripper, theres way better ways of doing this, some one did it with vex, search 'vex tube manipulator' on the vex forum
because of this i think they should give the tubes another chance but i doubt they will:ahh:
Dan Petrovic
21-10-2007, 21:54
I'm hoping for boxes. We were good at Stack Attack.
Yeah. We were good at Stack Attack as well, but 5 years later, it would be a whole new game.
We were one of the few teams with a shifting transmission, so pushing tons of boxes up and over the ramp was a breeze as well as holding the ramp for those 25 points.
Now, everyone has access to a shifting transmission and crazy traction. The King of the Hill would be even more dangerous. Can that even happen?:ahh:
hmm... ok. I guess that makes sense.
i doubt they'll be using the tubes again because theres a blowout sale on the FIRST store where the tubes are 2.00 dollars each (trying to get rid of them obviously)
And the rest went to Building 19 (http://www.chiefdelphi.com/forums/showthread.php?t=57948) ... well, yesterday they had only one left :( and that was the display piece. Not that I was looking for them, mind you. I do go there for other things.
And we're due for squares. I started with the triangles, then two years of circles. So it's squares. Lots of squares.
Are we alowed to use bluteooth control this year?
JohnBoucher
22-10-2007, 09:06
Are we alowed to use bluteooth control this year?
I thing not, but offical rules are published at kickoff.
Hey guys, I was just waiting for kickoff.... and thinking about what was at the end of last years film. woodie flowers and some other people were floating on the some game peices and woodie said " what are we going to do with all these inner tubes" or something along the lines of that.
What do you think the chance of using the same game peices this year would be?
thanks, vivekNil. And don't belive anything put in the kickoff video is a hint for the next year; the GDC still has to deal with the rules changes for the year they just released.
And we're due for squares. I started with the triangles, then two years of circles. So it's squares. Lots of squares.Not again.
Someone brings this up every year...at least once per year...maybe more. The debunking:
1998: circle (exercise balls)
1999: circle (floppies)
2000: circle (playground balls)
2001: circle (excercise + playground balls)
2002: circle (soccer balls)
2003: square (bins for Stack Attack)
2004: circle (excercise + playground balls)
2005: triangle (tetras)
2006: circle (Poof balls)
2007: circle (pool tubes)
Personally, I think we're due for balls again. The real pattern seems to be: ball, odd shape/game play method, ball. (Odd years have the odd tricks.)
I stand corrected. I didn't know we were in for three more years of circles (sounds like the Farmer's Almanac or el nino or something). I'll batten down the hatches and put the squares away until 2013. I did make it sound I wanted squares; far from it. I just thought we were due for them.
=Martin=Taylor=
22-10-2007, 19:03
Buckets
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Mike Nawrot
22-10-2007, 19:49
I think buckets would be an interesting concept, but I doubt FIRST would use them. They have built in handles. What fun is that?:p As for boxes.. I've had this thing for boxes lately, and last time I had a feeling like this, it involved FRC robots shooting things in '06. Of course, that's not reliable at all, but I'd like to see boxes this year. Not massive ones like stack attack, but maybe something like 10" cubes. Who knows? Only 74 days until we find out
basicxman
22-10-2007, 20:28
traffic cones would be interesting to pick up because there slanted so i doubt you could use a traditional gripper, maybe using a hook and hooking on to the hole in the top
Cubes, foam triangles, boxes... etc. I'm hoping for something non-circle-y... even though I think it's in vain.
synth3tk
22-10-2007, 20:29
traffic cones.
ROFL!!! Seriously, that would be challenging, but still cool.
Inflatable Clowns, bananas, Jell-o.
That's all I'm going to say.
raymaniac
22-10-2007, 20:43
or maybe they will use tubes again, and are doing all this just so we'll never see it coming
:D
basicxman
22-10-2007, 21:11
you can suggest all these ideas to the thread that was recently put up for the game designers to consider (srry, i dont have a link)
In 2008, FIRST will court a more international audience by introducing the boomerang as the official game piece.
I doubt that the people in the front row at competetion will be humored by the boomerangs :D
njamietech
22-10-2007, 21:31
Personally I don't care what piece they use. Just as long as the game is not a copy of a previous year.
But I do prefer cubes over having balls (again).
I would also prefer something other than balls. our team has never competed with a ball yet, (we were in the 2005 game and the 2007 game) but from watching it, it seems everyone comes up with the same basic shooter for it, plus some gizmos here and there, but I find arms and gripper to be much more impressive to look at and chat about with other teams!
55 gallon drums anyone? What about 300lbs worth of straws.
ewankoff
23-10-2007, 09:12
i think these would be an awesome game piece.
http://www.chiefdelphi.com/media/photos/22847
Dan Petrovic
23-10-2007, 16:38
What about life-size Darth Vader cardboard cut-outs?
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alex1699
23-10-2007, 18:13
Hamsters
basicxman
23-10-2007, 20:45
hamsters...that is cruel a hamster could get caught in gears, trapped under a robot, get run over (hey we should start a thread on the stuff that could happen to a hamster in the middle of a competition)
hamsters...that is cruel a hamster could get caught in gears, trapped under a robot, get run over (hey we should start a thread on the stuff that could happen to a hamster in the middle of a competition)
I guess there's a reason gerbils have been banned as energy devices for years...:rolleyes:
I guess there's a reason gerbils have been banned as energy devices for years...:rolleyes:
Seriously guys, check the flowchart. Jeez. :p (only kidding.)
I still think pool noodles would be awesome as game pieces. I like the idea of using traffic cones.
Robot Limbo as a game challenge would be cool too.
bear24rw
23-10-2007, 22:27
I say footballs
basicxman
23-10-2007, 23:06
i agree with pool noddles, but you'd have to be allowed to stab them as long as they dont break becasue its a good way of picking them up and if you do it by accident you shouldnt get penalized
synth3tk
24-10-2007, 14:53
First alliance to build a 3-foot tall replica of the venue out of glue and macaroni wins.
vic burg
24-10-2007, 15:09
I'm hoping for boxes. We were good at Stack Attack.
I am, too....
But only because we've been using circles/spheres so much!!!! Oh, and tetras.
XD
Richard Wallace
24-10-2007, 16:07
i think these would be an awesome game piece.
http://www.chiefdelphi.com/media/photos/22847They would!
The object appears to be made from 3" schedule 40 PVC pipe, cut to about 8" length and capped at both ends. Cheap stock, easy to get.
To make handling the gamepiece more challenging, you could place an inexpensive 3" diameter toy ball inside before attaching the end caps. The pipe measures about 3.04" inside diameter so the ball would roll from end to end, causing the gamepiece center of gravity to shift when it is tilted.
[Now to search for a cheap 3" ball ... Hmmm ... rubber baseballs might work, can I find 'em for under a buck? ...]
GaryVoshol
24-10-2007, 17:42
i think these would be an awesome game piece.
http://www.chiefdelphi.com/media/photos/22847
They would!
The object appears to me made from 3" schedule 40 PVC pipe, cut to about 8" length and capped at both ends. Cheap stock, easy to get.
To make the handling the gamepiece more challenging, you could place an inexpensive 3" diameter toy ball inside before attaching the end caps. The pipe measures about 3.04" inside diameter so the ball would roll from end to end, causing the gamepiece center of gravity to shift when it is tilted.
[Now to search for a cheap 3" ball ... Hmmm ... rubber baseballs might work, can I find 'em for under a buck? ...]And just for grins, how about there's around 40-50 of those suckers out on the field, and 2 of them have a shot put instead of a baseball inside ...
Cooley744
24-10-2007, 18:47
First alliance to build a life size Woodie replica out of glazed and sprinkle donuts...yum
Has anyone thought about a boat challenge. The play field being a gaint pool!!!
Richard Wallace
28-11-2007, 14:00
Has anyone thought about a boat challenge. The play field being a gaint pool!!!This topic belongs to another thread. Look here (http://www.chiefdelphi.com/forums/showthread.php?t=59182). :)
synth3tk
28-11-2007, 18:11
And just for grins, how about there's around 40-50 of those suckers out on the field, and 2 of them have a shot put instead of a baseball inside ...
Hmm, that would make for one interesting autonomous mode. If your calculations are incorrect by just a hair, the worst you could do is knock out a judge or the announcer.
i think these would be an awesome game piece.
http://www.chiefdelphi.com/media/photos/22847
I want to see y'all try to get something like that through security at an airport. ;)
I want to see y'all try to get something like that through security at an airport. ;)
Been there, done that... ;)
(and you DON'T want to know what I have in my carry-on suitcase right now, while I am sitting in the Cleveland Airport) (trust me)
-dave
Been there, done that... ;)
(and you DON'T want to know what I have in my carry-on suitcase right now, while I am sitting in the Cleveland Airport) (trust me)
-dave
...and we're off.
(Maybe I'm a bit jumpy after my laptop set off the bomb-sniffing machine at JFK four times last night. I know it's dirty, but sheesh.)
Been there, done that... ;)
(and you DON'T want to know what I have in my carry-on suitcase right now, while I am sitting in the Cleveland Airport) (trust me)
-dave
Could it be the complete manual for the 2008 game? Oh boy! Oh boy!
Or maybe it's a Popular Mechanics magazine, a Robots magazine, or a Servo magazine.
Or the remote control for your "Other car"
Or it may just be an empty carry-on suitcase to put stuff in later.
Just kidding... I can wait another month for the new game (I hope). I'm pumped and ready to start. I'm getting more sleep and doing my homework whenever I can in preparation for the new season.
alex1699
28-11-2007, 20:01
Seriously guys, check the flowchart. Jeez. :p (only kidding.)
doesnt say hamster hmmm...
pre-build season giddyness... I love it!
Richard Wallace
28-11-2007, 20:30
i think these would be an awesome game piece.
http://www.chiefdelphi.com/media/photos/22847So, just for fun I built one, using 3" schedule 40 PVC (non-pressure rated) and standard caps. Overall assembled length is 10" and it weighs ~1.5 lb. Inside I placed a 2.188" diameter steel ball, taken from one of the largest ball bearings that Emerson uses. The ball also weighs ~1.5 lb. (Don't expect to get them cheap -- motors that use that size ball are rated for 4000 horsepower and stand about fifteen feet tall. Production quantities are small relative to most FRC components.) So the total weight is about 3 lb. and the center of gravity shifts about six inches when the ball rolls from one end to the other.
As you can easily imagine, the weighted capsule is unwieldy! Grab it in the middle, tilt it slightly, and it will torque your wrist. Holding it level is a challenge.
A diabolical gamepiece if ever there was one. :cool:
@ Richard
can you say scooper bots?
-vivek
Graham Donaldson
28-11-2007, 21:44
Yeah, but wait until the robot stops short and inertia keeps all the balls moving...
There go the game pieces! :)
So, just for fun I built one, using 3" schedule 40 PVC (non-pressure rated) and standard caps. Overall assembled length is 10" and it weighs ~1.5 lb. Inside I placed a 2.188" diameter steel ball, taken from one of the largest ball bearings that Emerson uses. The ball also weighs ~1.5 lb.
Of course, if the ball were made of tungsten, it would weigh about 3.809 pounds - about 2.5 times as much as the container itself. The dynamic properties of such an object would be .... interesting.
-dave
FourTwoNineZero
28-11-2007, 23:03
First team to put all the mini Dean Kamen statues on the mini Segways wins!
Richard Wallace
28-11-2007, 23:22
Of course, if the ball were made of tungsten, it would weigh about 3.809 pounds - about 2.5 times as much as the container itself. The dynamic properties of such an object would be .... interesting.Interesting indeed. Such an object would stand nearly upright with the ball in the rounded PVC endcap. It might even walk a little ways, end-over-end, when pushed. Like a large "Mexican Jumping Bean," to recall a popular toy from decades ago.
However, FIRST is unlikely to build such objects in quantity. Ingots of tungsten are going for about $13/lb these days. Worked into balls, the cost per pound would go a bit higher.
Hmm. Highly unstable, heavy objects being manipulated by FRC robots? Autonomously? :eek:
Hmm. Highly unstable, heavy objects being manipulated by FRC robots? Autonomously? :eek:
We've been doing that with Freshmen for years.
Daniel_LaFleur
29-11-2007, 08:31
Of course, if the ball were made of tungsten, it would weigh about 3.809 pounds - about 2.5 times as much as the container itself. The dynamic properties of such an object would be .... interesting.
-dave
... and so it begins.
vic burg
29-11-2007, 11:55
First team to put all the mini Dean Kamen statues on the mini Segways wins!
That would be a lot fun!!!!
But how would FIRST make them is the question....
a robot has to build a cube shape with 'breakable' poles (like what you use to put up a tent) but the claws are limited to only 3 'fingers'. The alliances can work together.... but only in autonomous. and of course, the human player can hand the robot the poles but that's it....
i like my idea.....
yeah.....
lol
sorry but, magnet showcase last night until 9 o'clock and pre-season jitters are NOT good when combined together:eek:
I like the football idea but 6 aside robot and human player(with alot of padding) football
doesnt say hamster hmmm...
Don't bother. 1923 has hamster-drive perfected.
:p
Don't bother. 1923 has hamster-drive perfected.
:p
Do you have proof?
synth3tk
29-11-2007, 21:25
Do you have proof?
I'm sure if we checked their reciepts/invoices there'd be a nice little bill from Petland for fifty hamsters...
Cartwright
29-11-2007, 23:49
What if the game is like a pick up sticks game. Maybe poles of PVC would be used or something. That would be neat, and it would cool because poles are much more difficult to handle.
Of course, if the ball were made of tungsten, it would weigh about 3.809 pounds - about 2.5 times as much as the container itself. The dynamic properties of such an object would be .... interesting.
-dave
2.5 times, hmm??
Personally I don't care what piece they use. Just as long as the game is not a copy of a previous year.
But I do prefer cubes over having balls (again).
It's not like they've ever borrowed ideas from a previous year.
2004 had elements from many previous years.
I do think we're do for the return of a low bar that you could choose to go under like in 01 and 03. Didn't someone mention limbo?
they keep the "objects" simple, nuthing complex, something over the shelf. I like the idea of the five gallon buckets, handles removed ofcourse....We're about due for a change of motors also, those CIM motors have about had their life span.
Richard Wallace
30-11-2007, 10:58
Of course, if the ball were made of tungsten, it would weigh about 3.809 pounds - about 2.5 times as much as the container itself. The dynamic properties of such an object would be .... interesting.
2.5 times, hmm??A three inch diameter steel ball (if I could find one) would weigh just about 4 lb., and would fit nicely inside the PVC. So the interesting dynamic properties that Dave mentions could be realized without using tungsten. Just a cost-saving suggestion. ;)
Quick someone start looking at the records for a purchase of 10000 3" steel balls!
Or just look for the FedEx truck with the rear bumper dragging on the ground...
Richard Wallace
30-11-2007, 11:09
Quick someone start looking at the records for a purchase of 10000 3" steel balls!
Or just look for the FedEx truck with the rear bumper dragging on the ground...A slight problem just occurred to me -- if FIRST distributes 3" diameter steel balls, then the TechnoKats will be tempted to modify their air-cannon to fire the danged things! No one will be safe at the IRI! :eek:
BanksKid
30-11-2007, 14:34
A slight problem just occurred to me -- if FIRST distributes 3" diameter steel balls, then the TechnoKats will be tempted to modify their air-cannon to fire the danged things! No one will be safe at the IRI! :eek:
they wouldn't do that.......it wouldnt be safe ....................but i do like the sound of "i graciously destroyed your robot in a professional manner":] :]
If I've said it once, I've said it 100 times! Those tubes at the end of last year's video were not a hint! They were a joke explaining where the "Rack 'n' Roll" idea came from!
I apologize if that was rude, but PLEASE!
Schnabel
30-11-2007, 15:22
A slight problem just occurred to me -- if FIRST distributes 3" diameter steel balls, then the TechnoKats will be tempted to modify their air-cannon to fire the danged things! No one will be safe at the IRI! :eek:
Air cannon, What air cannon? O you mean that thing that destroyed a ceiling tile at IRI last year?
they wouldn't do that.......it wouldnt be safe ....................but i do like the sound of "i graciously destroyed your robot in a professional manner":] :]
Well the cannon does speak for itself, but it is more like BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOM! I GRACIOUSLY DESTROYED YOUR BOT! DON'T GET MUCH BETTER THAN THIS! THAT'S WHY THEY PAY ME THE BIG BUCKS! [/sarcasim]
Besides our next task is punkin' chuckin'! [/sarcasim for real]
If I've said it once, I've said it 100 times! Those tubes at the end of last year's video were not a hint! They were a joke explaining where the "Rack 'n' Roll" idea came from!
I apologize if that was rude, but PLEASE!
Oh? Really? And upon what information is this conclusion being based?
xrabohrok
30-11-2007, 15:38
This is wierd, but maybe they will try something entirely new. They might be beginning to tire of balls, balls, pvc shape, balls.....
Schnabel
30-11-2007, 15:43
Oh? Really? And upon what information is this conclusion being based?
HAHA, nice try Dave. Try this (http://www.chiefdelphi.com/media/photos/27236) information. ;)
HAHA, nice try Dave. Try this (http://www.chiefdelphi.com/media/photos/27236) information. ;)
All I know is that Bill Miller has a warehouse full of about 12,000 left-over tubes from last year, and is desperate to get rid of them SOMEHOW!!! ;)
-dave
Dave, if you try something akin to the "Triple Replay" joke, I for one am not buying it. Now, I'm not saying you don't have a use for those tubes in a future game, but I'm guessing not this year.
Better yet--bring 'em to the regionals with snow and hills nearby. Tubing races during breaks sounds fun.
Dave, if you try something akin to the "Triple Replay" joke, I for one am not buying it. Now, I'm not saying you don't have a use for those tubes in a future game, but I'm guessing not this year.
Better yet--bring 'em to the regionals with snow and hills nearby. Tubing races during breaks sounds fun.
That sounds. SO. awesome. I really want to do that at NJ now.
Bonus- if you're somewhere down south, like Florida, you can have a pool party.
vic burg
03-12-2007, 07:32
That sounds. SO. awesome. I really want to do that at NJ now.
Bonus- if you're somewhere down south, like Florida, you can have a pool party.
I don't know about in the middle of March....
LOL
Even Atlanta is cold in April.... although coming from a Floridian (of over 13 years, I forgot what cold even was.... lol), everyone may have a different opinion.....:o
MrForbes
03-12-2007, 08:21
lots of folks from up north go swimming in Arizona in winter. Those of us who have lived here a while can't get into a pool until after the ice breaks on the Santa Cruz river....which is Tucsonspeak for when it gets over 100 F outside!
alex1699
03-12-2007, 21:16
So, just for fun I built one, using 3" schedule 40 PVC (non-pressure rated) and standard caps. Overall assembled length is 10" and it weighs ~1.5 lb. Inside I placed a 2.188" diameter steel ball, taken from one of the largest ball bearings that Emerson uses. The ball also weighs ~1.5 lb. (Don't expect to get them cheap -- motors that use that size ball are rated for 4000 horsepower and stand about fifteen feet tall. Production quantities are small relative to most FRC components.) So the total weight is about 3 lb. and the center of gravity shifts about six inches when the ball rolls from one end to the other.
As you can easily imagine, the weighted capsule is unwieldy! Grab it in the middle, tilt it slightly, and it will torque your wrist. Holding it level is a challenge.
A diabolical gamepiece if ever there was one. :cool:
That would be cool i would have a magnate on the device picking it up so the steep ball wont move around =.:D
hmm... I do agree with the cuboid theory. I dont know what else it would be besides stack though. I doubt that magnets would be allowed due to the fact that so many teams use steel on their robot. also this might pose some other issues. lol
-vivek
EricVanWyk
03-12-2007, 22:49
So we have heard that we have at least one "super regional" - basically two separate regionals colocated in time and space.
I've heard that in order to put two fields up, the game will be played on a vertical field, such that two fields are placed back to back.
Get out the grappling hooks and the dirigibles!
so... looks like we have to make the freshmen start working out to haul the robots up the ropes :D
Richard Wallace
04-12-2007, 09:13
And NASA will have to break out a few dozen pairs of anti-gravity boots, for the referees and field reset volunteers.
(If that happens I am SO volunteering at CT. :cool: )
nuggetsyl
04-12-2007, 09:23
All I know is that Bill Miller has a warehouse full of about 12,000 left-over tubes from last year, and is desperate to get rid of them SOMEHOW!!! ;)
-dave
Watergame anyone lol.
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