2008 IRI (Indiana Robotics Invitational)

[Chris Fultz]

MARK YOUR CALENDARS!

Dates are set for the 2008 IRI.

Always exciting. Always something new. Always the IRI.


Friday and Saturday

July 18 & 19, 2008

Lawrence North High School (same as 2007)

Registration and more information in the spring.

[BuddyB309]

wow already? you guys plan ahead.

[IndySam]

wow already? you guys plan ahead.

In Indiana where summer basket ball is big, you better reserve your gym early.

[Jeremiah Johnson]

Wow! already? I'm there! I wonder what they'll say at work when I ask for a weekend off 8.5 months in advance.

[Pavan Dave]

Sweet! 2 weeks before I turn 18, I wonder what I will have in store for Indy!...I'm actually going to try booking tickets in Feb. I'll see if I can tour Canada while I'm up north too! Anyone else going to [try to] book early? ... When will you guys be looking for volunteers etc. and is it possible that mentors rounds will be back?

[Libby K]

If last year's IRI taught me anything, it's that I'm definitely making this a permanent part of my schedule.

If there's anyone debating going-- GO. It's amazing, and so worth the trip.
and this is coming from someone who took a 22 hour greyhound trip last-minute...

I'm already excited, and 2008 hasn't even begun yet.

:)

[Schnabel]

If there's anyone debating going-- GO. It's amazing, and so worth the trip.

Yes it is very worth the trip! Even if I didn't live only an hour away I would still go. :) I'm there!

[Elgin Clock]

In Indiana where summer basket ball is big, you better reserve your gym early.

The Trackballs are bigger than any basketball I've seen. :p

Sorry.. I couldn't resist the play on words. :rolleyes:

[daftpunk79]

I am so there, last time was amazing.

[Jimmy Nichols]

Chris,

I have marked my calender. I will be there, hopefully competing.

[techtiger1]

Team 1251 would love to be invited back as we had a great experience last summer. Will be great to see the great game overdrive played by some of the best, if nothing else I will be in attendance as a volunteer.

Looking forward to it ,
Drew

[ff160000]

How do I found out when I can sign up my team? And does anyone know approx. how much the event costs? Any recommendations on lodging?

This is the first time our team will be attending so thank you for the help.:)

Mentor - Team 930

[IndySam]

They will announce when they will start accepting applications here on Chiefdelphi. The will have a web page with all the info.

[thefro526]

Danny McC and I are probably gonna drive out to IRI how much is the average rate for like 3 nights at motel out there?

[Jeremiah Johnson]

Danny McC and I are probably gonna drive out to IRI how much is the average rate for like 3 nights at motel out there?

Ever been camping? LOL. In 2006 my dad and I went camping at the KOA, it was nice except for the rain. Otherwise, Motel 6's are cheap...

[Schnabel]

I was actually looking into hotels in that area to cut down on driving from my house to there every day and there is a Day's Inn that runs about $50 a room that's not too far away. The only problem is that it got really low ratings.

[cardinalman86]

it kinda depends where u want to stay and how far away. i live like twenty minutes away and there's some nice hotels here that aren't too expensive. There's everything from 50$ a room to over $200, just look on mapquest.com for the best deals.

[Chris Fultz]

How do I found out when I can sign up my team? And does anyone know approx. how much the event costs? Any recommendations on lodging?

This is the first time our team will be attending so thank you for the help.:)

Mentor - Team 930

We plan to start taking applications May 5th. We will post here and on the IRI website when it gets closer.

In 2007, there were 100+ applicants - we can only take 72 teams so we will hae some sort of selection process.

We have not set a price yet - we need to finalize some of our planning first.

There are several hotels in the area. Search around I-69 and 79th to 96th street. There are all flavors - depends on your budget.

[Arefin Bari]

Every single year, I tell myself that I will not be making it to IRI that current year, but somehow I always end up there.

... onto brainstorm about the 2nd IRI prank. =)

[Dan Richardson]

I hope the piggies get to go back again, planning for a bigger and even better talent show performance.

[Jeremiah Johnson]

I hope the piggies get to go back again, planning for a bigger and even better talent show performance.

You can top last years??? :ahh:

[Dan Richardson]

You can top last years??? :ahh:

Bacon has yet begun to dance...

[KF987]

987 is going to try to make it out to IRI this year... we are in the process of raising funds to ship the bot and pay for airfare/hotel. -Keaton

[Meredith Novak]

I was actually looking into hotels in that area to cut down on driving from my house to there every day and there is a Day's Inn that runs about $50 a room that's not too far away. The only problem is that it got really low ratings.

Is that the Day's Inn Castleton? If so, it is about 3 minutes from the event with very reasonable rates. We have stayed there for several years and it is great. Not fancy if you're used to the Omni:) but clean and the staff is very pleasant - and patient with a bunch of kids!

[mrs. p]

i hope PINK makes the selction process. IRI is the BEST off-season event ever.

[Carlee10]

IRI is awesome!! I just hope we don't have a marching band competition that same week; that happened last year, and that was a BUSY week. I'm so looking foward to it!

[Danny McC]

My team probably wont be there. But if I can than I will certainly find a way out there. If Dustin actually wants to go than we will drive out. Now to save money for a place to stay.

[Libby K]

I was actually looking into hotels in that area to cut down on driving from my house to there every day and there is a Day's Inn that runs about $50 a room that's not too far away. The only problem is that it got really low ratings.

There is also a Super 8 very near the IRI- It's where a few friends and I stayed last year. Split among a few people, it wasn't that expensive. I don't remember the exact number, but I paid for it myself, and I'm nearly broke. :P

Is it sad that Atlanta is only a few days away and I'm looking forward to IRI as well?

[Drew Hopman]

... a Day's Inn that runs about $50 a room that's not too far away.

Spend the extra like 10 bucks a night and stay at the super 8. We stayed at the days inn last year....ewwwww.

[PinionTwister]

As a mentor I have attended IRI for the past three years. It is simply the greatest event!!! Hat's off to the planners, organizers and volunteers who make it happen. I look forward to being a part of IRI in 2008.

[Renee Becker-Blau]

I've heard so much about IRI over the past few years and I really hope we're able to go this year! Do we have to ship the robot, or can we drive it down?

Renee

[A_Reed]

I've heard so much about IRI over the past few years and I really hope we're able to go this year! Do we have to ship the robot, or can we drive it down?

Renee

You have to transport it there yourself, trailer, van or pickup truck.

[Pat McCarthy]

There is also a Super 8 very near the IRI- It's where a few friends and I stayed last year. Split among a few people, it wasn't that expensive. I don't remember the exact number, but I paid for it myself, and I'm nearly broke. :P

Is it sad that Atlanta is only a few days away and I'm looking forward to IRI as well?
I stayed at the Days Inn last year, I wouldn't recommend it, the service at the desk was pretty bad, no wifi. I'll be trying to get a room at the Super 8 for this year.

[efoote868]

meh. Looks like I'll be on vacation (from what exactly IDK :rolleyes: )
I'll see if I can make it or not.

I'll get pumped though.

[mark johnson]

The Foley Freeze plans on being there as long as were picked in the selection process. This will be our championships since we did not attend Atlanta,but the thing about IRI is the competition can be tougher than the championships!!!! Your motto for this event says it all (WHERE THE EGOS COME TO PLAY) nuff said!!!!

[Alivia]

YAY! I am sooo excited for IRI!

Due to schedule conflicts with college, I'm not able to go to the Championships, so this is my next event that I'm super looking forward to.

As stated previously, IRI is super fun and definitely worth coming out for.

Can't wait to see you all there!

=]

[Qbranch]

Woo IRI! Yet another thing to be excited about! :D

For us... it's kind of casual since our robot work place is about a 1~2 minute drive from where IRI is held... usually our pit goes kind of like... one tool box shows up... then a couple batteries... then a robot... then an OI pannel... since usually we bring the robot in somebody's pick up truck then everything else is ferried in somebody's four-door. :]

Well, if anybody needs a tour guide, I'm sure anyone on 1024 would be happy to render assistance. And, we're doubly easy to find at IRI: of course we'll be in the pit, but we also run the snack bar at IRI... so... satisfy your hunger for knowledge and your physical hunger in one fell swoop. :]

-q

p.s. We're trying to have a couple neat demos from the software department ready in time for IRI... a huge, dynamic, homebrew LED display for the pit... and, with luck, a small pen plotter made out of VEX (great way to teach the programming team high level autonomous skills (waypoint nav/arc interpolation))

[Kyle Love]

I've heard so much about IRI over the past few years and I really hope we're able to go this year! Do we have to ship the robot, or can we drive it down?

Renee

You can also ship it to the venue, contact Chris Fultz if you have questions about addresses and such.

It will be a lot cheaper to bring it with you. :]

[vivek16]

The Trackballs are bigger than any basketball I've seen. :p

Sorry.. I couldn't resist the play on words. :rolleyes:

http://www.jimsbigthings.com/images/bball.jpg

:P

I am going to try to make it there.

-Vivek

[carla_rose]

I LOVE IRI. it's the best off-season event-hands down. I can't wait!

Last year we stayed at a Super 8 and that worked out pretty well if I remember right......

[T3_1565]

so how do we register for this event?? or do we have to get invited??? (this is based solely on me asking my teacher tomorrow to attend off-season events this year lol :D)

I would love to go to the IRI!!

[Aren_Hill]

so how do we register for this event?? or do we have to get invited??? (this is based solely on me asking my teacher tomorrow to attend off-season events this year lol :D)

I would love to go to the IRI!!

The system is if you would like to attend you apply for admission, then after all applications are in the IRI planning committee selects the applicants based on past performance and achievement, i believe all indiana teams are automatically accepted

[Chris Fultz]

The system is if you would like to attend you apply for admission, then after all applications are in the IRI planning committee selects the applicants based on past performance and achievement, i believe all indiana teams are automatically accepted

There is an elaborate selection process, many factors included.
Robot performance, team performance, team uniqueness, regional diversity, country, past support of IRI, current support of IRI, etc.

We will open for applications May 5th and make decisions within a week of that. We will issue 'invitations' and then teams have a certain time to accept and send payment. After that time runs out, we work through the waiting list.

For 2008, there are no automatic invitations
(except it might be kinda wierd if we didn't invite the hosting teams)...

We will limit the field to 72 teams.

Hope this helps.

[Ryan Dognaux]

For 2008, there are no automatic invitations
(except it might be kinda wierd if we didn't invite the hosting teams)

I'm sad to hear this. I thought IRI was started as an off-season competition for Indiana teams to attend. The event ran so well that it began attracting other teams and has grown in popularity to what it is today. But to deny those local teams entry to this competition for an out of state team to me seems like IRI is moving more towards an elite-only competition. Maybe some clarification is needed as this was the first I heard of this. :confused:

[Aren_Hill]

I'm sad to hear this. I thought IRI was started as an off-season competition for Indiana teams to attend. The event ran so well that it began attracting other teams and has grown in popularity to what it is today. But to deny those local teams entry to this competition for an out of state team to me seems like IRI is moving more towards an elite-only competition. Maybe some clarification is needed as this was the first I heard of this. :confused:

Nobody automatically gets invited to the super bowl... i think its awesome to have an elite only event, it makes for the BEST ever gameplay

[Ryan Dognaux]

Nobody automatically gets invited to the super bowl... i think its awesome to have an elite only event, it makes for the BEST ever gameplay

This would be the first year that Indiana teams aren't automatically accepted... I'm not complaining or anything, just wondering the reasoning behind it.

[Aren_Hill]

This would be the first year that Indiana teams aren't automatically accepted... I'm not complaining or anything, just wondering the reasoning behind it.
i'm guessing its just to make room for the ever growing amount of powerhouse bots, can't see much other reasoning.

[Chris Fultz]

treading through a minefield here, but ....

what makes the IRI the IRI is the broad mix of teams. it has grown well beyond just an indiana event.

we want to be able to select teams based on several factors to create that mix. home address is a factor (ie, cityname, IN) but just one of the many factors, not a guarantee. we do not feel it would be right to deny a team that has worked hard all season, built a good robot, done outreach, etc. and let in a team that just sort of 'showed up', just because the one was an indiana team. we are trying to be fair to all.

i don't like the word 'elite' when refering to the iri, i prefer 'most deserving'.

note also - we stated last year that 2007 was the last year for automatic bids.

and, i predict by 2009 there will be more than 72 indiana teams, so then what would we do ... ;)

[Andy Baker]

I'm sad to hear this. I thought IRI was started as an off-season competition for Indiana teams to attend. The event ran so well that it began attracting other teams and has grown in popularity to what it is today. But to deny those local teams entry to this competition for an out of state team to me seems like IRI is moving more towards an elite-only competition. Maybe some clarification is needed as this was the first I heard of this. :confused:

treading through a minefield here, but ....

what makes the IRI the IRI is the broad mix of teams. it has grown well beyond just an indiana event.

we want to be able to select teams based on several factors to create that mix. home address is a factor (ie, cityname, IN) but just one of the many factors, not a guarantee. we do not feel it would be right to deny a team that has worked hard all season, built a good robot, done outreach, etc. and let in a team that just sort of 'showed up', just because the one was an indiana team. we are trying to be fair to all.

i don't like the word 'elite' when refering to the iri, i prefer 'most deserving'.

note also - we stated last year that 2007 was the last year for automatic bids.

and, i predict by 2009 there will be more than 72 indiana teams, so then what would we do ... ;)

Also... Indiana teams have been encouraged to start another off-season event. There is plenty of demand for more play time.

Andy

[IndySam]

Also... Indiana teams have been encouraged to start another off-season event. There is plenty of demand for more play time.

Andy

We will talk about that Friday.

[Taylor]

We will talk about that Friday.

Yes. There will be talk.

[Kit Gerhart]

Also... Indiana teams have been encouraged to start another off-season event. There is plenty of demand for more play time.

Andy

While in Atlanta, I heard rumors that the new event might be at the site of the first IRI, Memorial Gym in Kokomo.

[its da PAT!!!]

While in Atlanta, I heard rumors that the new event might be at the site of the first IRI, Memorial Gym in Kokomo.


if indysam and boiler are talking about what i think they are i kno where its at

[Josh Fox]

All I have to say is that i expect someone to break that 200 point barrier at IRI since it didn't happen at nationals :D

Hopefully I can make this my 2nd IRI, and now that nationals are over I can't wait

[65_Xero_Huskie]

and, i predict by 2009 there will be more than 72 indiana teams, so then what would we do ... ;)

I wouldnt be surprised, They do have some sort of set-up going on there ;)

[rick.oliver]

... i expect someone to break that 200 point barrier at IRI ...

I agree it could happen -

Hybrid: 2 balls down plus three robots catching 5 lines each = 76 points

That leaves 124 points to collect in the Teleoperated period.

I hope I'm there to see it.

[dubious elise]

Is there any word on how to sign up to volunteer or will that be worked out in the coming weeks? I'll be in the Bend all summer but I'd love to come down for the weekend and see some familiar faces.

[=Martin=Taylor=]

I'm waiting to see how you adjust the game this year... or the selection process...

Most of the most competitive robots are hurdlers. There will be many instances at IRI where there are three hurdlers on an alliance... but only two balls. Wouldn't it make sense to add another ball?

Another idea would be to intentionally allow less competitive defensive/lap runner bots to go to IRI.

Anticipating this lap-bot shortage we talked about building a tiny robot that could be sent with our luggage to Indy :D There is no way in hell that 100 will ever be able to send the big robot. But a little robot... hmmm ;)

[E. Wood]

I know that Team 1629 (GaCo) is hoping to attend IRI this year. I think we put in an application last year but didn't get accepted. Sounds like a lot of fun though.

[Team 135]

Our team went last year and it was a great way to get out rookies on the team into how thing are done. It is a lot more relaxed and fun that a regular competition. You do not have to follow all of the strict stuff that the normal competitions have.


Thanks for putting it on every year and we look forward to being there!!!!

Anthony
Team 135

[GBilletdeaux930]

Another idea would be to intentionally allow less competitive defensive/lap runner bots to go to IRI.

Team 930 is going to attempt to go. We've got a little 50lb lapbot that was able to run 11 laps with 4 lines at the Wisconsin Regional this year.

Hopefully we will be accepted

[Chris Fultz]

volunteering will be through the IRI website.
we will begin taking volunteer information May 5th.

[Joe Matt]

I'm going, looking for maybe a room mate or two to share the cost with. I might have one already, dunno. Send me a PM.

[rick.oliver]

I'm waiting to see how you adjust the game this year...

I thought that the game was well designed and officiated this year. I liked the emphasis on protecting hurdlers in their home stretch and the limits on impeding.

Line violations is an area that could be reconsidered. Perhaps some of the suggestions made early in the season could be implemented. For example the violation is only called when the entire robot has crossed over the line in a counter clockwise direction. Perhaps the addition of a time element similar to impeding; that is, if the robot crosses back and remains over the line for more than six seconds, only then is it flagged?

What if you made the scoring for crossing lines in hybrid progressive, say 2, 4, 6, 8, etc.?

[Guy Davidson]

Line violations is an area that could be reconsidered. Perhaps some of the suggestions made early in the season could be implemented. For example the violation is only called when the entire robot has crossed over the line in a counter clockwise direction. Perhaps the addition of a time element similar to impeding; that is, if the robot crosses back and remains over the line for more than six seconds, only then is it flagged?

No. Please don't. There is a very, very good reason why the rule is written as it is. It has been pointed out in the forums (particularly by Sean Lavery, who was the first I read pointing it out). That reason is that if the rule is changed, teams will be able to knock balls off the overpass after crossing into the next quadrant. In my opinion, that is enough of a reason to keep G22 as it is.

[A_Reed]

No. Please don't. There is a very, very good reason why the rule is written as it is. It has been pointed out in the forums (particularly by Sean Lavery, who was the first I read pointing it out). That reason is that if the rule is changed, teams will be able to knock balls off the overpass after crossing into the next quadrant. In my opinion, that is enough of a reason to keep G22 as it is.

what if the rule change was applied only to the mid-line not the finish lines, as it seems like thats were most of the violations were anyway. I mean I'm fine with the rules the way they are, but if you were to change them that change wouldn't be to bad.

[jtdowney]

Maybe changing the rule so that your entire robot cannot cross back over the line but part of it can. Would definitely make it interesting as teams can more easily knock balls backwards so they don't complete a hurdle.

[Taylor]

What if you made the scoring for crossing lines in hybrid progressive, say 2, 4, 6, 8, etc.?

I like that. Probably could be difficult to implement, but I like the idea.

[Lil' Lavery]

Last year, IRI put 4 teams on each alliance in an attempt to allow more teams into the elimination rounds. While this was quite interesting and added an extra dimension of strategy, many of these "4th" teams didn't even see the field (both of the finalist alliances never used them, for instance). Perhaps this year IRI could goto a 12 alliance system (similar to what was used at GTR 2006). This would allow for 12, 3-team alliances (36 teams total) to make the elimination rounds. The 1-4 alliances would receive a bye through the first round, and the other eight would compete to make the QFs.
5 v 12
6 v 11
7 v 10
8 v 9
It would mean essentially another set of QFs to run, which would likely tack on an extra hour (or possibly longer) to the run time of the competition, but I think many teams would be in favor of it.

[Josh Goodman]

That's a really neat idea sean! I should be there to volunteer.

[JackN]

Last year, IRI put 4 teams on each alliance in an attempt to allow more teams into the elimination rounds. While this was quite interesting and added an extra dimension of strategy, many of these "4th" teams didn't even see the field (both of the finalist alliances never used them, for instance). Perhaps this year IRI could goto a 12 alliance system (similar to what was used at GTR 2006). This would allow for 12, 3-team alliances (36 teams total) to make the elimination rounds. The 1-4 alliances would receive a bye through the first round, and the other eight would compete to make the QFs.
5 v 12
6 v 11
7 v 10
8 v 9
It would mean essentially another set of QFs to run, which would likely tack on an extra hour (or possibly longer) to the run time of the competition, but I think many teams would be in favor of it.

I think Sean is on the right track but I would go a step further. Limit the number of teams to 64, have 16 alliances and give every alliance 4 members. Make sure every team plays just to add to the competition.

Also this one is where it gets interesting, after alliance selections, the number 1-7 seeds get to pick their opponents in the first round. If there is a selection to play an opponent in the top 7 then the highest seed moves up. It is kind of complex but I think it adds to the strategy of the game.

[rick.oliver]

No. Please don't. There is a very, very good reason why the rule is written as it is. It has been pointed out in the forums (particularly by Sean Lavery, who was the first I read pointing it out). That reason is that if the rule is changed, teams will be able to knock balls off the overpass after crossing into the next quadrant. In my opinion, that is enough of a reason to keep G22 as it is.

I see your point and I agree, changing the line rule would be a bad idea. It would make officiating even more difficult than it is today, I suspect.

[rick.oliver]

Last year, IRI put 4 teams on each alliance in an attempt to allow more teams into the elimination rounds. While this was quite interesting and added an extra dimension of strategy, many of these "4th" teams didn't even see the field (both of the finalist alliances never used them, for instance). ...

If the objective is to provide more teams the opportunity to participate in the elimination rounds, then it would seem logical to require that all four teams in each alliance play a match in each round. Otherwise, simply use the stand-by system.

If however, there is a different objective, say wanting to ensure that each alliance has the ability to execute their desired strategy by having a known "spare", then perhaps what was executed last year better serves that purpose.

[FoleyEngineer]

The line violation rule needs only to be modified on the end lines (non-finish lines). Make it so that only if the entire robot moves back into the previous quadrant would they get a penalty. That RARELY EVER HAPPENS.

This would reduce the number of violations down tremendously. The refs would see a robot "graze" the other quadrant as they often do now and be able to simply ignore it as most of the time, the bot is just turning or jockeying to head down the lane and a small portion of it breaks the plane temporarily.

Also, it's often really hard to see the far lane divider from the drivers station (especially in traffic) and the teams get violations and don't even know they did it. This would really clean things up.

P.S. Do NOT change the rule at the finish lines - leave it as: no breaking the plane.

[Lil' Lavery]

I'd like to keep the line violation calls the same. While the finish lines are crucial to staying the same, a similar concept applies to the lane markers at the ends of the track. Making it so the full robot has to go across gives defensive robots too much ability to push balls back into previous quadrants. While this isn't as big of a deal as the area surrounding the overpass, when a skilled defensive driver utilizes this, it will be very frustrating for anyone trying to grab that trackball as it's pushed away.
A 2-3" buffer zone would be nice, I agree, but that changes the call from a simple one to a judgement call with a lot more potential to be called incorrectly.

Hopefully <G22> won't be a massive issue at IRI, regardless of how it is enforced. Most of the teams attending are veterans with great robots and skilled drivers (or skilled trainee drivers). I forsee <G42> and <G37> deciding a lot more matches than <G22> at IRI.

[Chris Fultz]

If the objective is to provide more teams the opportunity to participate in the elimination rounds, then it would seem logical to require that all four teams in each alliance play a match in each round. Otherwise, simply use the stand-by system.

If however, there is a different objective, say wanting to ensure that each alliance has the ability to execute their desired strategy by having a known "spare", then perhaps what was executed last year better serves that purpose.

Teams knew going in that the 4th pick might not play and that it was totally up to the alliance captain. The change was made to let the alliance determine who their back up could be, instead of relying on the ranked order of teams. A team always had the option to say "graciously decline" if they did not like the idea of watching but not playing. Many of the 4th teams felt they contributed to their alliance with strategy, spare parts and other means, even if they did not get onto the field.

[Joe Ross]

Teams knew going in that the 4th pick might not play and that it was totally up to the alliance captain. The change was made to let the alliance determine who their back up could be, instead of relying on the ranked order of teams. A team always had the option to say "graciously decline" if they did not like the idea of watching but not playing. Many of the 4th teams felt they contributed to their alliance with strategy, spare parts and other means, even if they did not get onto the field.

The #5 alliance played the 4th team in both matches. Had we played against any of the other alliances, we would have played the 3rd team. We definitely appreciated the extra flexibility.

[lbl1731]

I hope we can make it this year. I think that a fun idea would be to get six amazing hurdlers on the field and put out six trackballs and see how high a score they could get. Make a rule that no-one can play defence. This wouldn't be for the actual competition, just for fun.
Team 1731

[rick.oliver]

The #5 alliance played the 4th team in both matches. Had we played against any of the other alliances, we would have played the 3rd team. We definitely appreciated the extra flexibility.

It sounds like it was a good process adjustment and perhaps we'll see it again this year.

[M. Mellott]

The #5 alliance played the 4th team in both matches. Had we played against any of the other alliances, we would have played the 3rd team. We definitely appreciated the extra flexibility.

Last year, Team 48 was fortunate to be able to pick 148 as our 4th team. When 469 had problems, they stepped in admirably and helped get our alliance to one win away from the finals. Also, once 469 fixed their issues, they were able to return and compete in another match--something that the current rule of a permanent replacement by the next available bot on the list would not have allowed. We would definitely vote to continue that rule adjustment this year.

[Ryan Dognaux]

Maybe changing the rule so that your entire robot cannot cross back over the line but part of it can. Would definitely make it interesting as teams can more easily knock balls backwards so they don't complete a hurdle.

I'm with John here. Or change it to a 5-count to give teams a little time to fix their errors. This year's game was honestly my least favorite since 2002 all because of the penalties. I'm sure IRI will find a happy medium that will lessen the emphasis on this year's penalties.

[GoSparx]

So my team needs info on going. Team SparX 1126 would love to go, but we need time to plan. Where can I sign up for a "request" to attend?

[IndySam]

So my team needs info on going. Team SparX 1126 would love to go, but we need time to plan. Where can I sign up for a "request" to attend?

They will open up their web page in early May. Watch this thread.

[Mike Schreiber]

4 team alliance = flexibility in strategy

One breaks = Replacement who can hurdle...

3 hurdlers + 1 lapbot = OPTIONS

This gives teams the option of swapping out their 3rd weaker hurdler for a fast lapper, depending on their opposition.

RUSH plans to be there, provided we are accepted...Looking forward to going WHERE THE EGOS COME TO PLAY!

[waialua359]

Chris,
Thanks for the invite today!
Due to scheduling conflicts, many of us will be in Texas during that time.
We will definitely put it on our calendar to attend next year in '09 if you will have us.

Aloha! :D

[Kim Masi]

Part of what was disappointing about picking a 4th alliance partner, is that our team was picked in the 2nd round (third robot in the alliance) and the 4th robot ended up playing all of our matches in the elimination rounds, instead of our robot. Although I know it was up to the alliance captain to make this decision, it was disappointing when we were the 2nd pick.

Even having 16 alliances with 3 robots would be better I think, with then playing an "elite 8" match.

[GaryVoshol]

Even having 16 alliances with 3 robots would be better I think, with then playing an "elite 8" match.What if the "elite 8" was single-elimination? One match, winner take all.

[Adam Freeman]

In my opinion having 4 teams on an alliance will be an incredible opportunity for strategy in both alliance selection and game play.

Last year 48 was the captain for our alliance. They selected 67, 469, then 148. This provided an excellent opportunity to mix and match scorers/defense/and ramp bots.

48 actually sat out some matches to allow 148, 67, and 469 to all score. Once 469's ramp broke, 48 jumped in and played defense. This concept provide excellent flexibility for our alliance.

Similarly, if it is the same this year hurdlers / lap bots / or defensive bots can be mixed.

[Taylor]

The Great Indiana License Project (GILP) will come to its stirring conclusion at the IRI. We are within a hundred signatures and a few thousand dollars of the necessary 500 sigs and $6,000 to cover stamping/processing fees from the BMV. We've gained permission from the powers that be to have a display in the commons area between pits & the field where intereted parties may sign the petition and/or make a donation to the fund. Remember, you must be an Indiana resident and intend to purchase a FIRST Robotics license plate in 2009 to sign the petition. (We'll take money from anybody ;))



I've also heard rumors that another Hungry Hungry Hippos tournament may happen sometime that weekend...

[Travis Hoffman]

In my opinion having 4 teams on an alliance will be an incredible opportunity for strategy in both alliance selection and game play.

Last year 48 was the captain for our alliance. They selected 67, 469, then 148. This provided an excellent opportunity to mix and match scorers/defense/and ramp bots.

48 actually sat out some matches to allow 148, 67, and 469 to all score. Once 469's ramp broke, 48 jumped in and played defense. This concept provide excellent flexibility for our alliance.

Similarly, if it is the same this year hurdlers / lap bots / or defensive bots can be mixed.

Since I haven't chimed in on this topic yet.....

Yes - What Adam said! :)

[Kit Gerhart]

Since I haven't chimed in on this topic yet.....

I don't have much of an opinion on whether or not IRI should have four team alliances, but I do have this opinion. If there are four team alliances, all four teams should be required to play at least one match per round. Maybe it isn't particularly GP to feel this way, but to me, you should not be able to say you "won" an event like IRI without playing any matches in the elimination rounds.

[Chris Marra]

Part of what was disappointing about picking a 4th alliance partner, is that our team was picked in the 2nd round (third robot in the alliance) and the 4th robot ended up playing all of our matches in the elimination rounds, instead of our robot. Although I know it was up to the alliance captain to make this decision, it was disappointing when we were the 2nd pick.

Even having 16 alliances with 3 robots would be better I think, with then playing an "elite 8" match.
Actually, I disagree with this. We (177) were the second selection by the 968-330 alliance, who then went on to pick 910. Yet against the 1114-2056-111(-494) alliance, our drive team knew offensive defense was the only viable strategy, and that 910 would play it better than us. Any other alliance, as Joe said, would have been defendable in different ways, but against three hurdlers we needed the ability to go head to head.

The point of my anecdote: Even as a 2nd pick who never played in the eliminations, having that 3rd pick allows alliances flexibility in their strategy. Very rarely can an alliance of three robots dominate so much that they can run the same strategy against anyone and still play the game they want to. Just imagine what golf would be like if every player only got a driver, an iron, and a putter. IRI gives players that extra club to work with.

[GaryVoshol]

I don't have much of an opinion on whether or not IRI should have four team alliances, but I do have this opinion. If there are four team alliances, all four teams should be required to play at least one match per round. Maybe it isn't particularly GP to feel this way, but to me, you should not be able to say you "won" an event like IRI without playing any matches in the elimination rounds.This is a good sentiment. Now it would have to be fleshed out to figure out what to do if a robot is really disabled. And then figure out what "really disabled" means. I can see an alliance captain asking a teammate, "You're supposed to play the next game. Can you please claim that you're 'really disabled' so you don't have to play?"

[mark johnson]

Actually, I disagree with this. We (177) were the second selection by the 968-330 alliance, who then went on to pick 910. Yet against the 1114-2056-111(-494) alliance, our drive team knew offensive defense was the only viable strategy, and that 910 would play it better than us. Any other alliance, as Joe said, would have been defendable in different ways, but against three hurdlers we needed the ability to go head to head.

The point of my anecdote: Even as a 2nd pick who never played in the eliminations, having that 3rd pick allows alliances flexibility in their strategy. Very rarely can an alliance of three robots dominate so much that they can run the same strategy against anyone and still play the game they want to. Just imagine what golf would be like if every player only got a driver, an iron, and a putter. IRI gives players that extra club to work with.

I agree with you Chris,and also Joe . This was a nice option for our alliance captain 968 to mix and match our teams according to the alliance we were competing aginst. Plus it was a bonus for team 910 as we were able to be a part of the six keeper match!!!!!!!!

[IndySam]

I've also heard rumors that another Hungry Hungry Hippos tournament may happen sometime that weekend...


Will that be an invitational also?



VVVVV

[Pat Major]

Teams knew going in that the 4th pick might not play and that it was totally up to the alliance captain. The change was made to let the alliance determine who their back up could be, instead of relying on the ranked order of teams. A team always had the option to say "graciously decline" if they did not like the idea of watching but not playing. Many of the 4th teams felt they contributed to their alliance with strategy, spare parts and other means, even if they did not get onto the field.
Chris and I would make good team mates, we rarely see things the same way…more opinions produces a better solution. Being on the winning alliance in 2007 and not playing, left me feeling our team did not contribute enough to be considered one of the champions of the 2007 IRI Competition. I would never “graciously decline” and give up an opportunity to help an alliance if someone broke or if the alliance thought we would be the preferred partner for a particular match. It is better to have a chance to play than no chance at all.

IRI wants to have the best of the best compete, I understand that, and requiring the 4th partner to play could water down the quality of the matches. All I ask is that you don’t put more teams in the uncomfortable position you put us in. If we win an award we want to earn it not have it handed to us by others.

Possible solution: Have each alliance pick a 4th partner as their backup, if the backup is called to play they are part of the alliance if they are not called in they are not part of the alliance. I would also propose that just because the 4th partner is called in to play, it does not preclude any of the other alliance partners from playing in any remaining matches. If the 4th partner is used it is a 4 team alliance, if not it remains a 3 team alliance.

[rick.oliver]

... Being on the winning alliance in 2007 and not playing, left me feeling our team did not contribute enough to be considered one of the champions of the 2007 IRI Competition ...

IRI wants to have the best of the best compete, I understand that, and requiring the 4th partner to play could water down the quality of the matches. All I ask is that you don’t put more teams in the uncomfortable position you put us in. If we win an award we want to earn it not have it handed to us by others ...

Another possible solution: Apply the F.I.R.S.T. model with the following wrinkle. Have each of the eight alliances "nominte" a team to the loaner pool. If a team needs a spare, they may select any team from the loaner pool. They become a 4 team alliance as defined by the F.I.R.S.T. rules.

[rick.oliver]

Another possible solution: Apply the F.I.R.S.T. model with the following wrinkle. Have each of the eight alliances "nominte" a team to the loaner pool. If a team needs a spare, they may select any team from the loaner pool. They become a 4 team alliance as defined by the F.I.R.S.T. rules.

Having said this, having read the other testimonies and Chris' explanation, I prefer the method that IRI used last year. I think the strategy options are interesting and I like the ability to have a "broken" partner repair and re-enter the competition without having to go two on three. I understand the disappointment of not competing in the matches - I warmed the bench plenty when I played sports. We all need to learn how to contribute in what ever role we find ourselves assigned. Isn't that gracious professionalism?

[Paul Copioli]

I really like Pat's suggestion. It is a compromise between "don't have to play" and "you must play". If the alliance decides to use their back-up, then the back-up is part of the alliance. If they chose not to use them, then the back-up is not part of the alliance.

[johnr]

Go ahead and change the rules. Even the alliance selection. But please try and figure out some way to get rid of those bumps along the center wall. Maybe recess the steel plates into a sub floor if there is one. And about those supports hanging down from overpass.......:)

[Travis Hoffman]

I really like Pat's suggestion. It is a compromise between "don't have to play" and "you must play". If the alliance decides to use their back-up, then the back-up is part of the alliance. If they chose not to use them, then the back-up is not part of the alliance.

Ah but playing Devil's Advocate, what would keep an alliance from picking a team with no intention of playing them at all, only to keep that team's robot abilities and strategic flexibility from falling into the hands of an alliance that would be more likely to actually use such flexibility? I think at the very least, you'd have to retain serpentine picking of the backup bot (8 - 1) to keep higher-seeded alliances (who are more likely to have 3 robots who are effective enough to go it alone) from stashing away effective backups from the lower-seeded alliances in order for Paul's/Pat's suggestion to be viable.

Regardless, though, the use of any "Let me stash your team out of the way where you can't contribute to the success of another alliance, and oh, by the way, we don't even have to share the victory with you officially, nyah nyah nyah" methods doesn't sound like much fun for the backup team stuck in such a situation. Other than the IRI planners having to pay for the extra trophies, I don't see the downside of positively recognizing a team for serving as the backup role in an alliance, regardless of the reason they were put there. I agree completely with Rick Oliver - even the seldom (if ever)-used 12th man on the basketball team or the once every 10 games pinch hitting specialist gets to celebrate the victory equally with teammates who have much more active role on the team. Let's be careful not to treat these 4th teams as pieces of meat or pawns in a game implied to be both played and won by superior personnel.

Has anyone bothered to quantify the overall sentiment of the IRI alliance teams who actually participated in the "pick your own backup" plan last year? Are people suggesting that the planning committee should modify the rules to cater to a minority few who did not prefer them? Just a-wonderin' if anyone's considered the big picture.

[Pavan Dave]

I really like Pat's suggestion. It is a compromise between "don't have to play" and "you must play". If the alliance decides to use their back-up, then the back-up is part of the alliance. If they chose not to use them, then the back-up is not part of the alliance.
Umm. Team A picks team Z as their fourth pick. Team G could have been apart of alliances B,C,D,E,F,G or H but due to A's place in the draft they picked Z. If Z was not used and was not give any recognition or anything it would be wrong because what if one of the alliances B-G wanted to strategically use Z but Z was "stiffed" by their alliance?

I agree as Captains, teams get to choose their team mates, strategy, etc., but I do not agree that they should leave someone on their alliance out of the action. I'm pretty sure a "dominating" alliance should be able to under ANY circumstance. Your 4th robot is NOT a backup bot, it is your alliance member.

Pavan

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[Lil' Lavery]

I agree as Captains, teams get to choose their team mates, strategy, etc., but I do not agree that they should leave someone on their alliance out of the action. I'm pretty sure a "dominating" alliance should be able to under ANY circumstance. Your 4th robot is NOT a backup bot, it is your alliance member.



That's clearly not how 494 felt last year as the 4th team, as mentioned above. I'd be careful about making blanket statements either way.

The reason for the 4th member being there should be clearly considered and defined before a ruling on their usage is made this year. There are other ways to create a legitimate back-up pool and add more teams to the eliminations. There may or may not be other ways to add flexibility to an alliance.
As a personal side note, I enjoy the forced flexibility of only have a 3 team alliance. While you might not always have the ideal robots to fit into a counter-strategy against your opponents, the creativity forced upon you is one of the coolest parts of the eliminations, imho. Teams have to push their limits and attempt new and creative strategies to use their alliance's strengths to defeat their opponents, rather than just plugging in the members that will let them have an ideal alliance for the situation. It changes it from an the elaborate mixture of "rock, paper, scissors" to an actual match of strategy and skill. Rather than who can play game X better, it becomes who can out-think and out-perform the opposing alliance.

[rick.oliver]

... Your 4th robot is NOT a backup bot, it is your alliance member.

Interesting how different interpretations can influence our perspectives. I checked the documentation from last year; the 3rd pick (done 8 to 1) was described as a "backup". I can certainly appreciate the sentiment expressed by Pat when considered in the context of being a "back up". In fact, I shared the same opinion, that all four teams should have the opportunity to play. It was when I looked at the situation from the perspective of having a 4 team alliance and always fielding the best alliance that I got comfortable with the possibility of not playing, yet still being considered part of the alliance.

I continue to beleve that the IRI folks made a well reasoned adjustment and I hope that we see it again this year; perhaps without the reference to "back up" :)

[Paul Copioli]

Remember, the 3rd selection was a "pick your own back-up" round from the get go. It was designed so teams could pick the robot they wanted as a back-up. at no time was it stated that the robot had to be used. If the question is, "do you want to pick your own back-up agian this year?", then my answer is "yes". If the question is, "Do you want to have a 4 alliance team where all robots must be used once?, then my answer is "no".

I have no strong feelings about if the "back-up" gets a trophy or not as I see the merits of both arguments.

[CourtneyB]

Im going to IRI for sure this year and im bringing a friend along too. :)

[Ralph Lambert]

The Channel Cats have been to the IRI for the last several years and hope to be selected again this year. The folks who run IRI do a great job.

There has been a lot of discussion about rule modifications for this fun event so here is another suggestion. Since the whole idea behind FIRST is to get students interested in science and technology, how about IRI saying that all coaches must be students and let the adults relax in the stands. Turn over everything to the kids, it will be a good experience for them.

[Travis Hoffman]

The Channel Cats have been to the IRI for the last several years and hope to be selected again this year. The folks who run IRI do a great job.

There has been a lot of discussion about rule modifications for this fun event so here is another suggestion. Since the whole idea behind FIRST is to get students interested in science and technology, how about IRI saying that all coaches must be students and let the adults relax in the stands. Turn over everything to the kids, it will be a good experience for them.

I'm thinking some of the notable "egos" who came to play at IRI would be rather deflated over this decision. :p

I appreciate the sentiments of this suggestion, but I cannot support the implementation of blanket rules that drastically alter a team's implementation of their traditional internal operations. Each team should be permitted to deploy whatever drive team configuration they choose that is legal under the 2008 FIRST rules. This includes the coach.

Suddenly switching up coaches may severely affect a drive team's chemistry to the point they wouldn't be as effective as they were before. Those who traditionally use student coaches would suddenly have a competitive advantage over those teams who were scrambling to identify and train a student alternate.

Also, for those teams who have relatively new adult coaches behind the glass, it would rob those coaches of an excellent chance to work with and learn from the rest of the great strategic coaching minds who will be present at the event.

IRI traditionally only alters the most "stupid" GAME rules and leaves the rest alone - that's what's so great about the experience.

[Taylor]

Suddenly switching up coaches may severely affect a drive team's chemistry to the point they wouldn't be as effective as they were before. Those who traditionally use student coaches would suddenly have a competitive advantage over those teams who were scrambling to identify and train a student alternate.
This is especially evident in the Mentor-Operated Matches (which I hope are resurrected this year)

I'm thinking some of the notable "egos" who came to play at IRI would be rather deflated over this decision. :p
See above; turns out that some of the aforementioned "egos" can't drive to save their skins (but it sure is fun to watch them try)

[bigbeezy]

Do any teams mix up drive teams at IRI? We like to through in some noobs during the offseason to give them some practice and get some ideas on who would be a good driver next year. Just wondering if this was common at IRI, or since it is such a strong event, teams like to keep their regular drive team out on the field.

[Kyle Love]

Do any teams mix up drive teams at IRI? We like to through in some noobs during the offseason to give them some practice and get some ideas on who would be a good driver next year. Just wondering if this was common at IRI, or since it is such a strong event, teams like to keep their regular drive team out on the field.

Quite a few teams do that. It is a great time to expose "noobs" to the best of the best and see if they can handle it.

[Paul Copioli]

We do not allow the seniors from the 2008 season, who just recently graduated, to operate the robot. We use IRI as the first event where the sophomores and juniors take over as practice for next year. So this year we will have our two junior back-up drivers as the main drive team. We also usually fit in an all girl round where the drive team and the coach are entirely made up of women. By the way, they are 6 and 0 at IRI.

[Akash Rastogi]

I wish we could make it there.That's not going to happen this year it looks like. :(

[Mike Schreiber]

RUSH has switched up driver's in the past...such as in '05 when my brother broke the arm (it wasn't his fault but I enjoy giving him a hard time)

Too touch on the other topic, last year IRI for RUSH was run by students...it was the best competition experience I have EVER had. The adults sat back relaxed and watched matches, there were about 7 students who attended and we all alternated human player (other than the driver's), since it was a job that could get anyone involved and was quite easy. I had the opportunity to basically run the pit, with an occasional check from a mentor. I found it a quite remarkable experience, and hope that other teams will do the same, because I guarantee the students will enjoy it.

See you in Indiana!

[Kit Gerhart]

Some teams try to do the very best they can by using their regular drive teams, while others give new drivers some experience. The past three years, we have used our drivers from the regular season, but this year we will have a different base driver for IRI. Unlike many off-season competitions, IRI is an event which is at least equal to any of the regionals in competitiveness, and which gives new drivers the best experience they can get.

Do any teams mix up drive teams at IRI? We like to through in some noobs during the offseason to give them some practice and get some ideas on who would be a good driver next year. Just wondering if this was common at IRI, or since it is such a strong event, teams like to keep their regular drive team out on the field.

[Chris_Elston]

Also... Indiana teams have been encouraged to start another off-season event. There is plenty of demand for more play time.
Andy

I've been hearing, but my opinon would be no one would come to that "second" Indiana Invitation, because of IRI. I think it would be very diffcult to try and pull this off. It would be like trying to sell Andy Mark gear box next to fisher price gearboxes. Which one you gunna pick? :-)

[Kit Gerhart]

I've been hearing, but my opinon would be no one would come to that "second" Indiana Invitation, because of IRI. I think it would be very diffcult to try and pull this off. It would be like trying to sell Andy Mark gear box next to fisher price gearboxes. Which one you gunna pick? :-)
I would expect the "second" Indiana event to be a less serious event where most teams would use new drivers, and which some teams would attend that were not invited to IRI. It would probably be a much more "low key" competition than IRI.

[IndySam]

I would expect the "second" Indiana event to be a less serious event where most teams would use new drivers, and which some teams would attend that were not invited to IRI. It would probably be a much more "low key" competition than IRI.

A little bird has told me there may be a second event in Indianapolis in the fall. I'll try and cage that red bird up and get some details out of him soon.

[johnr]

Why have a second one? If they have the people to pull that off why not do it the same weekend and have the first double off season event. I can see the future. Four gyms , four champs meeting late saturday to battle it out. OFF SEASON NATIONALS!!!!!

[Lil' Lavery]

I suspect the second event was more intended to be an "Indiana event" rather than a national event like IRI has become. It would serve a similar function to most of the other off-season events around the country, where almost every team (if not every team) is local. This would help replace the lack of automatic invitations for Indiana teams, allowing them to compete in an off-season event even if they don't make the IRI roster.

[Chris_Elston]

I would expect the "second" Indiana event to be a less serious event where most teams would use new drivers, and which some teams would attend that were not invited to IRI. It would probably be a much more "low key" competition than IRI.

It's funny that you mention this, as an Indiana Team, my opinion to the team was that we put rookie drivers in for IRI for 2005 and 2006, I changed my mind after 2006, when we came in dead last at IRI in 2006, after almost winning at Boilermaker 2006. Driver experience matters, if that's your team goal. But, it doesn't matter that we lost at IRI because we got experience to an upcoming drive team in 2006 at IRI for 2007. But you know you're right, for 2008 the same drivers we had at Boilermaker 2008 are going to drive at IRI 2008. This was a student team decision instead of using rookie drivers, I assume they "sense" the tension at IRI too...I tend to agree seeing how IRI has changed over the past couple of years. "ego" wise. :-) I say that with a smirk on my face. It's ok to unwind and just have an outright competition.

I see where this "second" event would be handy, because an off season event means to me, the chance to train those upcoming rookie drivers, seniors that we lose. We lost alot of seniors after 2006 and 2007, I miss them all. Trying to gain driver experience at IRI has not been good, we've learned that over the past three years at IRI. We throw them back into the "tigers", rookie drivers come back shaken after an IRI match, I tell them if they can survive IRI, they can survive anything after that. What a way to start out a new driver huh? LOL...

[Alex Cormier]

So today is May 5th and the IRI site from the Indiana website hasn't been updated in years. Anyone have an idea where teams request to sign up?

[ika]

The site (indianaroboticsinvitational.org/) says that registration opens at 6PM today so you should check back then and go from there.

[Ryan Dognaux]

ika is correct, use the http://www.indianaroboticsinvitational.org/ link for registration.

Good luck to all the teams applying for entry!

[David Brinza]

I presume that the site opens at 6 pm EDT.

I'm fairly sure that the adaptation to daylight saving time in Indiana is complete now. Though last year, this might have caused a little confusiion... David Kelly on the clock switchin' thang (http://www.chiefdelphi.com/forums/showpost.php?p=624084&postcount=28);)

[Kit Gerhart]

Trying to gain driver experience at IRI has not been good, we've learned that over the past three years at IRI. We throw them back into the "tigers", rookie drivers come back shaken after an IRI match, I tell them if they can survive IRI, they can survive anything after that. What a way to start out a new driver huh? LOL...

Our rookie drivers generally get their first "real match" experience at the Florida Regional which is usually a week 2 or week 3 event. That is a much easier "practice event" than IRI. :-)

[Chris Marra]

No prompt here, but the page is loading painfully slow. The most it's pulled down is the title of the page, and no content so far.

[RyanN]

I believe they're updating the site so we can all register.

EDIT: Now its up for me.

[KF987]

987 has applied! We are looking forward to coming this year!

Keaton

[Akash Rastogi]

Would it be alright if I apply to see if we'd even be invited even if our team can't go anyway? Idk if that's fair/unfair or w/e but I'm letting you know we can't be there anyway.

[Josh Murphy]

Would it be alright if I apply to see if we'd even be invited even if our team can't go anyway? Idk if that's fair/unfair or w/e but I'm letting you know we can't be there anyway.

If you guys can't be there I wouldn't even waste the time. Also it would be one less application that the IRI team would have to review and consider it, also it isn't fair for the planning crew. I wouldn't fill one out just to do it if you are not planning to attend.:)

[Akash Rastogi]

If you guys can't be there I wouldn't even waste the time. Also it would be one less application that the IRI team would have to review and consider it, also it isn't fair for the planning crew. I wouldn't fill one out just to do it if you are not planning to attend.:)

kk, thanks:)

[Ryan Dognaux]

If anyone is having trouble getting to the site, this is the link you want: http://indianaroboticsinvitational.org/iri/

For some reason the www.indianaroboticsinvitational.org page was not redirecting to the registration page for me in Firefox.

[Tom Bottiglieri]

Applied.

[David Brinza]

980 has applied as well.

Whether or not our team is accepted, I wouldn't miss IRI for anything.

It's definitely THE EVENT!!! The best teams in FIRST put on an absolutely amazing show!

Which milestones will be reached? A 200+ point winning score? Over 300 points combined? Over 100 points in hybrid mode for an alliance?

Can't wait....

[Meredith Novak]

I got our application completed about 12 minutes after the opening. It would have been quicker, but that snow question stumped me. I do live in the South.

We are looking forward to seeing you, David. I saw your son get a scholarship today:)

[GoSparx]

Team SparX 1126 just applied. Can't wait!!!

[johnr]

There might not be enough time to pull this off this year,but how about a live broadcast when you announce the teams. Have fun with it. NFL draft day sort of thing. Teams could get together for selection night.

[Ryan Dognaux]

There might not be enough time to pull this off this year,but how about a live broadcast when you announce the teams. Have fun with it. NFL draft day sort of thing. Teams could get together for selection night.

John, you've read my mind and the mind of several other people (mainly in Purdue FIRST). We're looking at this option for BMR potentially as GTR does a fantastic job at it.

The problem is filling the dead time; GTR usually has many pre-recorded video spots that they can fill that time with because it's run by Discovery Channel Canada.

Either way it's an interesting idea that could be really fun if there were enough people interested in helping with it...

[wendymom]

John, you've read my mind and the mind of several other people (mainly in Purdue FIRST). We're looking at this option for BMR potentially as GTR does a fantastic job at it.

The problem is filling the dead time; GTR usually has many pre-recorded video spots that they can fill that time with because it's run by Discovery Channel Canada.

Either way it's an interesting idea that could be really fun if there were enough people interested in helping with it...


Why don't you have teams submit all the videos they use for recruitment or sponsor demos? Or other fun videos made during build season.

[johnr]

futurecast--"Welcome back to IRI selection night. We now are going to check in on one of the many remote sites. Sterling Heights Michigan your up and live. I see 217, 48 ,910, rush. Looks like a few more in back i can't make out. So Pual, how does it feel to be selected?...............

[AndyB]

171 is applied. Hopefully we can make our first trip down to Indy in July.

[mrs. p]

233 has also submitted. we'd love to go back to IRI - great people, great event and AWESOME ROBOTS!

[Renee Becker-Blau]

Why don't you have teams submit all the videos they use for recruitment or sponsor demos? Or other fun videos made during build season.

This looks like a lot of fun, if team 1675 gets in we would love to make one, but about how long would the clip be?

Renee

[Nica F.]

I've been trying to avoid posting on this thread so I won't get my own hopes up too high :P , but seeing I got a job and am saving up my first couple paychecks to pay for my flight out, I hope to be seeing everyone there. I'll probably go if any west coast teams go..

[kfox1731]

Thanks to the planning committee for the astoundingly quick reply e-mail when I had a problem with the form. I think it was more me than the form :yikes: Good job. I can already tell that this is a well planned and manned operation even though I have never been to the IRI. I'm looking forward to the possibility of attending this year, though. Thanks.

[David Kelly]

Thanks to the planning committee for the astoundingly quick reply e-mail when I had a problem with the form. I think it was more me than the form :yikes: Good job. I can already tell that this is a well planned and manned operation even though I have never been to the IRI. I'm looking forward to the possibility of attending this year, though. Thanks.


You're welcome. :]

[Kyle Love]

Just so we all know...have there been 72 teams already apply? If so, how many in total have applied so far?

Hopefully this isn't asking for information that is top secret right now...

[Taylor]

Just so we all know...have there been 72 teams already apply? If so, how many in total have applied so far?

Hopefully this isn't asking for information that is top secret right now...

I was standing next to Andy Baker on Monday evening; at 6:05 his BlackBerry made a squeal and started to smoke.

Luckily, Andy being Andy, he was able to force the smoke back in.

[Qbranch]

I know we have a bunch of people on 1024 that like hanging around eh... overdriving... ;)... so, if you're team is new to indy or if you're just looking to chat, feel free to come by our pit for any of your entertainment, technical disucssion or conversational needs. :]

Can't wait to see the team list!!!

-q

[Andy Baker]

I was standing next to Andy Baker on Monday evening; at 6:05 his BlackBerry made a squeal and started to smoke.

Luckily, Andy being Andy, he was able to force the smoke back in.

We received 72 applications within 24 hours. I think that now we are in the high 80's. Teams still have time to send in applications. There will be a final list put together this weekend and then invites sent out on Monday (5/12).

I believe that we will be posting a "who has applied" list this morning.

Andy B.

[Andy Baker]

As of this moment, here are the teams who are applying for the 72 spots at the 2008 IRI (http://indianaroboticsinvitational.org/iri/). We are currently receiving more applications. Please get those in by Saturday (5/10), as we will be sending out invitations on Monday (5/12).

If your team is not listed here, and you think that you have signed up (or still want to sign up), please re-register (http://indianaroboticsinvitational.org/iri/application-process/) and send a note to PC@IndianaRoboticsInvitational.org

As we always say, the teams make this event wonderful. Here is the list so far. Keep in mind that this is the applicant list. Invites go out Monday.

1 Juggernauts
16 Bomb Squad
27 Team RUSH
33 Killer Bees
39 The 39th Aero Squadron
45 TechnoKats
47 Chief Delphi
48 Delphi E.L.I.T.E.
67 Heroes of Tomorrow
68 Truck Town Thunder
70 More Martians
71 Team Hammond
93 NEW Apple Corps
101 Striker
107 Holland Christian Team R.O.B.O.T.I.C.S.
111 Wildstang
116 Epsilon Delta
118 Robonauts
121 The Rhode Warriors
125 NUTRONS
135 Penn Robotics
141 WOBOT
148 Robowranglers
171 Extreme Engineering
177 Bobcat Robotics
195 Cyber Knights
217 ThunderChickens
222 Tigertrons
233 The PINK Team
234 Cyber Blue
254 Cheesy Poofs
292 PantherTech
330 Beach Bots
364 Team Fusion
368 Team Kika Mana
461 Westside Boiler Invasion
469 Las Guerrillas
494 Martians
503 Frog Force
573 The MechWarriors
578 Blue Lightning
829 Warren Robotics "Digital Goats"
830 Rat Pack
832 Roswell High School Chimera
868 TechHOUNDS
876 Thunder Robotics
888 Robotiators
910 Foley Freeze
931 Perpetual Chaos
968 RAWC
980 ThunderBots
987 High Rollers
1008 Team Lugnut
1018 RoboDevils
1024 Kil-A-Bytes
1038 Thunderhawks
1094 River City Robots Channel Cats
1098 Rockwood Robotics
1103 Commetron
1108 Panther Robotics
1114 Simbotics
1126 SparX
1243 Dragons
1259 Paradigm Shift
1327 SBotz
1379 Gear Devils
1477 Northside Roboteers
1501 T.H.R.U.S.T.
1503 Spartonics
1519 Mechanical Mayhem
1529 Southport CyberCards
1592 Bionic Tigers
1625 Winnovation
1629 GaCo
1646 Precision Guessworks
1675 The Ultimate Protection Squad
1716 Redbird Robotics
1718 The Fighting Pi
1720 PhyXTGears
1731 Fresta Valley Robotics
1735 Green Reapers
1736 Robot Casserole
1739 Chicago Knights
1741 Red Alert Robotics
1747 HBR
1760 Robo-Titans
1902 Exploding Bacon
2056 Patriotics
2171 RoboDogs
2177 The Robettes
2194 Fondy Fire
2197 Las Pumas
2199 Robolions
2377 C Company
2404 TNT
3000 Team DeWalt

Sincerely,
Andy Baker
submitted on behalf of the IRI Planning Committee

[IndySam]

As of this moment, here are the teams who are applying for the 72 spots at the 2008

Wow that's some list, especially with more to come. I don't envy your committee's job.

[David Brinza]

Whoa!

Nine of the twelve teams that played on Einstein this year are on the list (including 5 of the 6 in the finals)!
Maybe 60, 348 and 1124 will also apply to "complete the set"?

As usual, IRI is going to be AWESOME!!

[Andy Baker]

Just glancing at the list of applicant teams, here are some interesting numbers:

28 different teams have won 38 Regional Championships at 22 of this year's FRC Regionals
9 teams were division winners in Atlanta
9 teams were Regional Chairman's Award winners

Andy B.

[IndySam]

Killer Bees
TechnoKats
Wildstang
Bobcat Robotics
ThunderChickens
PantherTech
Frog Force
Digital Goats
Rat Pack
TechHOUNDS
Thunderhawks
Channel Cats
Panther Robotics
Dragons
CyberCards
Bionic Tigers
Redbird Robotics
RoboDogs
Las Pumas


Quite a menagerie.

[Chris Marra]

Interesting to see that 469 hasn't applied yet. I hope they will be able to make the event and defend their previous wins (I think they have 3?).

Also of note, there are 13 World Championship winning teams (and 17 titles!) currently on the list, 1/3 of the total 39.

[Meredith Novak]

Just glancing at the list of 85 applicant teams, here are some interesting numbers:

27 different teams have won 37 Regional Championships at 22 of this year's FRC Regionals
9 teams were division winners in Atlanta
9 teams were Regional Chairman's Award winners

Andy B.

And 5 Hall of Fame teams

[David Kelly]

Interesting to see that 469 hasn't applied yet. I hope they will be able to make the event and defend their previous wins (I think they have 3?).

Also of note, there are 13 World Championship winning teams (and 17 titles!) currently on the list, 1/3 of the total 39.

469 has now applied.

[smurfgirl]

Whoa!

Nine of the twelve teams that played on Einstein this year are on the list (including 5 of the 6 in the finals)!
Maybe 60, 348 and 1124 will also apply to "complete the set"?

As usual, IRI is going to be AWESOME!!

We're thinking about it... maybe.

[Cory]

After our original app not making it through, 254 has applied as well.

[IndySam]

After our original app not making it through, 254 has applied as well.

Great, I was surprised when I didn't see you guys on the original list.

[andrew348]

348 will not be attending. We'll there goes the opportunity for a finals rematch.

[JB987]

We received 72 applications within 24 hours. I think that now we are in the high 80's. Teams still have time to send in applications. There will be a final list put together this weekend and then invites sent out on Monday (5/12).

I believe that we will be posting a "who has applied" list this morning.

Andy B.

Andy,
Any idea what time Monday invites will be posted?

[Chris Fultz]

Invitations will be posted by 6 PM Monday, 12 May.
THis will include the 72 teams plus the first teams on the wait list.

Emails will also be sent to all invited teams with instructions on how to continue the registration process.

[IndySam]

Is it 6:00 yet?

[Herodotus]

I can already see myself starting the following at around 5:30.

*F5 F5 F5 F5 F5 F5*

[Lil' Lavery]

Is it 6:00 yet?

How about now?

[Kyle Love]

I'll place a bet that it will be up more towards around 4:30-5ish...or at least start f5'in then....

[AdamHeard]

Anyone have more information on team 3000, team dewalt?

[Kyle Love]

Anyone have more information on team 3000, team dewalt?

Considering they did not compete in the 2008 season, they should not be included in the IRI, they should be accepted in to the pre-rookie challenge.

[Lil' Lavery]

Anyone have more information on team 3000, team dewalt?

That's Greg Needel's new team. As for why they submitted for IRI instead of the pre-rookie event, you'll have to talk to him.

[Greg Needel]

Anyone have more information on team 3000, team dewalt?


Team DeWALT is a new rookie team for the 2009 season. We have applied to IRI using a robot which is being built as a pre-season learning activity. That being said there is defiantly an advantage in building a for a previous game after the championships are over. Not only were we able to do raw brainstorming but we could look at other robots which were highly competitive and draw from their ideas and make adjustments for our own need. That being said, our robot is NOT a copy of any specific team.

Because of the geographic location to IRI, it is our closest off-season that we can find, but is still 7 hours away. With the time it takes to get there we felt that going to compete for a one hour pre-rookie challenge would not be worth the financial investment to get the team there.


Considering they did not compete in the 2008 season, they should not be included in the IRI, they should be accepted in to the pre-rookie challenge.

I disagree with this 100% While we may not have the previous experience on the field of competition this does not mean that we will not be competitive if accepted. Since alot of the performance of a team on the field has to do with the drivers, you could make the same case that only drivers who drove during the 2008 competition season should be allowed. We have volunteered to help IRI, and contribute to it's many different aspects (auction, scholarship, talent show, etc) and we know we have alot to offer. Now we understand that with many competitive teams we have a very good chance that we will not be accepted. Either way the things we have volunteered to do and the robot we are building are representative of a team which is striving to be very Graciously Competitive in the upcoming year both on and off the field.

We hope to see you there...

Greg


P.S. is it 6:00 yet?

[Aren_Hill]

and its up

[waialua359]

Looks like a Hawaii team will be representing there, 368. Wish we could try and attend, but looks like next year.
Good luck to all!

[Alivia]

Where is the list of invites posted? I can't seem to find it!
:confused:

[Cory]

Looks like a Hawaii team will be representing there, 368. Wish we could try and attend, but looks like next year.
Good luck to all!

Glenn: you should come out just to spectate/volunteer. I did in 2004, and it was awesome. Not sure whether it's more fun to compete, or just take in all the awesome competition from the sidelines.

[Lil' Lavery]

Where is the list of invites posted? I can't seem to find it!
:confused:

http://www.chiefdelphi.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=67620



http://indianaroboticsinvitational.org/iri/ (soon)

[Alivia]

http://www.chiefdelphi.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=67620



http://indianaroboticsinvitational.org/iri/ (soon)

Thanks!! :D

[Kyle Love]

Almost right on with the time, wooo.

[Tom Bottiglieri]

How much are we allowed to change our robot?

[Travis Hoffman]

How much are we allowed to change our robot?

This information can be found in the 2008 IRI document Chris Fultz published:

http://www.chiefdelphi.com/forums/showthread.php?t=67525&highlight=IRI+document


XI. The Robot


A. Robots must meet the design and safety requirements of the 2008 “Overdrive” Game
B. Teams have an honorary 5 pound allowance in total robot weight. Bring your Gracious Professionalism. There will be no weigh in or technical inspection.
C. The Referees reserve the right to Disqualify or require Repair or Modification to any robot that appears to be unsafe or is operating outside of the “Overdrive” rules and guidelines.
D. Robots may be highly modified from their official FIRST competition configuration provided they meet rule A.

[bigbeezy]

no really that big a deal but just wondering... are the practice matches going to be set up just like official practice day matches? meaning will there be a 5 min match followed by a regular match? or just 2 regular matches?

[Josh Murphy]

no really that big a deal but just wondering... are the practice matches going to be set up just like official practice day matches? meaning will there be a 5 min match followed by a regular match? or just 2 regular matches?

They will probably do what they have always done, which is one 2 minute practice and then you are done or you can go to the back of the line but there is no guarantee that you will get two matches. I don't know what the plan is but if they are going to get started when they say they are my guess is just 2 minute matches.:)

[Chris Fultz]

the field will be open for practice matches, run a match, back of the line, run another match, etc.

with this being in July, we are assuming most teams can practice at home and come ready to play, so there is not much practice time allowed.

[bigbeezy]

the field will be open for practice matches, run a match, back of the line, run another match, etc.

with this being in July, we are assuming most teams can practice at home and come ready to play, so there is not much practice time allowed.

ok thanks

[Chris_Elston]

A little bird has told me there may be a second event in Indianapolis in the fall. I'll try and cage that red bird up and get some details out of him soon.

I think someone opened the cage (http://www.andymark.biz/offseasonfield.html) up and let the bird out.

[Taylor]

I think someone opened the cage (http://www.andymark.biz/offseasonfield.html) up and let the bird out.
gah. We've been trying to keep this under our hats.


Regarding the CAGE Match:

This is an event in its very early stages of planning. 1529 and 829 will co-host the inaugural CAGE Match at the Historic Southport Fieldhouse in Indianapolis on Saturday, October 25th. We are planning for 24-36 teams to compete. I believe it is the same weekend as MARC.

Specific details and more information to follow.


p.s.
Cards And Goats Exhibition = CAGE Match

[JackN]

Is 1519 going to be allowed to use both of their robots or will they have to use one or the other?

[Lil' Lavery]

Is 1519 going to be allowed to use both of their robots or will they have to use one or the other?

"A. Robots must meet the design and safety requirements of the 2008 “Overdrive” Game"

Would lead me to believe they may only use one, as FIRST said their design violated the Overdrive rules.

[Taylor]

"A. Robots must meet the design and safety requirements of the 2008 “Overdrive” Game"

Would lead me to believe they may only use one, as FIRST said their design violated the Overdrive rules.

Unless, of course, they participate in the Pre-Rookie Challenge.

[bigbeezy]

IMHO i think they should be allowed to play both robots. Whats it gonna hurt? but thats just me.

[Travis Hoffman]

"A. Robots must meet the design and safety requirements of the 2008 “Overdrive” Game"

Would lead me to believe they may only use one, as FIRST said their design violated the Overdrive rules.

IRI planners could still decide to add this to their patented list of "stupid rules" (Their description. Well, Paul Copioli's anyway... :) ) to repair/eliminate at IRI.

[Lil' Lavery]

IRI planners could still decide to add this to their patented list of "stupid rules" (Their description. Well, Paul Copioli's anyway... :) ) to repair/eliminate at IRI.

I was basing it on the assumption that the current set of rules included all the significant changes. That is, as stated, just an assumption though.

[Joe Ross]

Is 1519 going to be allowed to use both of their robots or will they have to use one or the other?

1519 was one of the best hurdlers at Battlecry (I was very surprised when they fell to the 5th pick, and not surprised when that alliance made it to the finals). I don't think they have anything to worry about.

On the other hand, most people's interpretation of the rules as written (as seen on chiefdelphi) thought that the rules allowed 1519's robot, it was only a specious Q/A response that disallowed it. I think the IRI committee could very easily decide that 1519 did follow the rules and allow them to compete with both.

[TD78]

1519 was one of the best hurdlers at Battlecry

Though when they went to hurdling exclusively, they added about 20 pounds or so of weight to the front of their robot for counterweight. If they decided to go back to using both bots, then they would have to remove that weight. That may affect their hurdling ability. They are a very good hurdling bot, fast and efficient, so I dont think they would move away from what made them successful.

[Andrew Schreiber]

RUSH has switched up driver's in the past...such as in '05 when my brother broke the arm (it wasn't his fault but I enjoy giving him a hard time)


You are a jerk Mike. For the record, I was driving chassis.

On a relevant note, I am dissapointed I will not be attending IRI this year. Something about college (Kettering is year round sorta...) So I am mad I am missing it, it looks to be wicked. Is IRI being webcast by anyone? If so, have laptop will watch through class. :D

[David Brinza]

You are a jerk Mike. For the record, I was driving chassis.

On a relevant note, I am dissapointed I will not be attending IRI this year. Something about college (Kettering is year round sorta...) So I am mad I am missing it, it looks to be wicked. Is IRI being webcast by anyone? If so, have laptop will watch through class. :D
Yes, there will be a webcast, courtesy of WildStang:

IRI Rules Changes - 2008 - Post #13 (http://www.chiefdelphi.com/forums/showpost.php?p=746276&postcount=13)

BTW, a chassis driver can break the arm off of a robot - just drive it into a wall. As written, your case is a little weak...;)

[Andrew Schreiber]

BTW, a chassis driver can break the arm off of a robot - just drive it into a wall. As written, your case is a little weak...;)

I blame the pit crew ;)


Thank you Wildstang you have given me something to do during class next term (Disclaimer: do as I say, not as I do, pay attention in school)

[Triple B]

I am not 100% sure but i seem to remember Pink having something to do with arm problem that 27 was having that day.
mike d

[Andrew Schreiber]

Nope, the arm problem was just stress on the upper joint, pink nearly had an electrical problem as a result of it. Our hook very nearly gutted them.

[GoSparx]

I tried sending an email to IRI but for some reason it must not have went through. Are we able to get a receipt for the check we send in? Thanks.

[David Brinza]

Does anybody know about shipping yet? Is Baxter sponsoring again this year?

How much have teams paid in the past to ship their bot?

-KeatonIn previous years, BAX Global provided shipping to the west coast teams - a very gracious and valuable sponsorship. The cost savings to Team 980 allowed two additional team members to participate in IRI who otherwise would not have been able to attend.

Using the BAX Global freight cost estimation tool (http://www.baxglobal.com/defaultFRM.asp?s=ShipRatesTimes&pg=/Shipping/), I found that if the crate is the maximum size per Section 4 of the Game Manual (48"x48"x70"), it can weigh up to 830 lbs before additional weight charges kick in. Team 980 has a somewhat smaller crate (42"x42"x70"), so its dimensional weight limit is about 635 lbs. We have no problem shipping at least a week before IRI, so Economy Freight works for us. The BAX Global non-discounted cost to ship to/from IRI and Pasadena, CA is ~$900 (round-trip). We've treated their donated shipping as a sponsorship from BAX Global. Last year, they gave each of the CA teams a bag of BAX Global "goodies" that we distributed to friends and colleagues.

[Chris Fultz]

I tried sending an email to IRI but for some reason it must not have went through. Are we able to get a receipt for the check we send in? Thanks.

You should have been able to print an invoice when you completed registration.

if you still need a receipt, email pc@indianaroboticsinvitational.org.

if you just need confirmation that the check was received, email the same name but state you are looking for confirmation.

[Chris Fultz]

Does anybody know about shipping yet? Is Baxter sponsoring again this year?

How much have teams paid in the past to ship their bot?

-Keaton

If you need to ship your robot, please send a PM to Andy Baker.
He is coordinating with BAX to see about discounts.

For teams that can bring your robot with you without much trouble, please do that.

For teams that need to ship their robot, BAX has been able to help in the past.

We want to make sure we do not abuse their generosity. :)

[ParkerF]

Question for the IRI planning committee:

I'm needing to leave out of Indianapolis via airplane Saturday evening. Is there any idea as of now about what time the ceremonies will be ending, or recommendations on a departure time?

Thanks much,
Parker

[Chris Fultz]

Question for the IRI planning committee:

I'm needing to leave out of Indianapolis via airplane Saturday evening. Is there any idea as of now about what time the ceremonies will be ending, or recommendations on a departure time?

Thanks much,
Parker

Usually we are done by 5 PM.

I would allow 1 hour to get to the airport and turn in a car, and 2 hours for check-in and security (it can vary from 5 minutes to 2 hours, depending on time of day and flight schedules) - so an 8 PM or later departure would be the earliest I recommend.

[ParkerF]

Thanks very much. As a driver I tend to have a bit less leeway with timing at events. Lol. The earliest I see at the moment is a 7:55 flight. Hopefully I can find a later one. We'll see...

Thanks again,
Parker

[AustinSchuh]

Question for the IRI planning committee:

I'm needing to leave out of Indianapolis via airplane Saturday evening. Is there any idea as of now about what time the ceremonies will be ending, or recommendations on a departure time?

My family is also trying to plan when we arrive and leave. Is there a schedule availibe? Searching around on the IRI website didn't yield much. I found last year's schedule while googleing around which helps because I can't imagine it changing that much, but we don't want to plan around last year's schedule if we don't have to.

[JM987]

This information can be found in the 2008 IRI document Chris Fultz published:

http://www.chiefdelphi.com/forums/showthread.php?t=67525&highlight=IRI+document


XI. The Robot


A. Robots must meet the design and safety requirements of the 2008 “Overdrive” Game
B. Teams have an honorary 5 pound allowance in total robot weight. Bring your Gracious Professionalism. There will be no weigh in or technical inspection.
C. The Referees reserve the right to Disqualify or require Repair or Modification to any robot that appears to be unsafe or is operating outside of the “Overdrive” rules and guidelines.
D. Robots may be highly modified from their official FIRST competition configuration provided they meet rule A.

so wait.. the robot can be 125 pounds? :confused:

[Arefin Bari]

so wait.. the robot can be 125 pounds? :confused:

That's exactly what it says...

[Lil' Lavery]

so wait.. the robot can be 125 pounds? :confused:

Traditionally most off-seasons cut teams a break on weight, allowing them to repair parts and add minor upgrades without having to "cheesehole" or hunt for ways to save weight. I think it would be outside the spirit of the rules simply to use the 5 extra pounds for added ballast or similar effect.

[Kyle Love]

For those who have Facebook, add the IRI Event! (http://www.facebook.com/event.php?eid=28576602112&ref=nf)

[Josh Fox]

Is it too much to ask for a Looking Foward prediction for IRI?
With so many amazing teams I don't envy his/her/their job if they do.

I'm just at the point where I need to hear some good old competition debates before I go crazy from withdrawls. :ahh:

[Kyle Love]

1114/233/217/148 , THE ultimate alliance.

[Jonathan Norris]

1114/233/217/148 , THE ultimate alliance.

Even with the depth at IRI I highly doubt that 233 or 217 would be around for a second round pick, but who knows the highest tube scoring bot at IRI last year got picked in the second round (2056)... funny things can happen when the egos come out to play.

[Kyle Love]

Even with the depth at IRI I highly doubt that 233 or 217 would be around for a second round pick, but who knows the highest tube scoring bot at IRI last year got picked in the second round (2056)... funny things can happen when the egos come out to play.

Who thought 1114/217/148 would get together? I sure didn't think 148 would last that long, but hey, weird things can happen, it is IRI.

[2056Durfey]

I`ll admit, I haven`t read all 15 pages, so someone may have mentioned this, but lets not forget about 968. We played against 968 in Atlanta and they were an extremely good team with a great robot. I am not trying to take away from the other teams, but I think 1114 and 968 would form a very powerful alliance.

[IBdrummer]

I`ll admit, I haven`t read all 15 pages, so someone may have mentioned this, but lets not forget about 968. We played against 968 in Atlanta and they were an extremely good team with a great robot. I am not trying to take away from the other teams, but I think 1114 and 968 would form a very powerful alliance.

you can't leave 254 out if your counting in 968
I played with both teams, they were awesome and some of the best alliance partners you could find that side of the San Andreas

[wendymom]

I vote for 233/1592/1902......The Florida Alliance.....ok...so I'm dreaming I know

[Greg Marra]

IRI on The Blue Alliance (http://www.thebluealliance.net/tbatv/event.php?eventid=194). Get your scouting on! :cool:

[hoorayforpink]

you can't leave 254 out if your counting in 968
I played with both teams, they were awesome and some of the best alliance partners you could find that side of the San Andreas

I think you meant some of the best alliance partners period.

[Ken Streeter]

Though when they went to hurdling exclusively, they added about 20 pounds or so of weight to the front of their robot for counterweight. If they decided to go back to using both bots, then they would have to remove that weight. That may affect their hurdling ability. They are a very good hurdling bot, fast and efficient, so I dont think they would move away from what made them successful.

After the Week 1 Granite State Regional, when 1519's dual-configuration robot was disallowed, the team decided to separate the dual-configuration robot into two distinct robots for the offseason. (We weren't registered for any other regular season tournaments.)

Originally, in order to achieve the dual-configuration design, both configurations had made significant design compromises in order to share the electronics board and make weight. (At GSR, 1519's hurdling configuration weighed only 87 pounds prior to adding 30 pounds of dumbells for the elimination rounds -- lots of teams were astonished at the fact that a competitive 'bot could be 33 pounds underweight!) By going to two separate robots, some of the design compromises needed for the dual-configuration robot could be eliminated.

For BattleCry (our first offseason tournament) significant changes were made to the now distinct robots. For the hurdling robot, two additional drive CIMs were added, and some of the structural members of the lower frame (e.g. the battery box) were enhanced with stronger (heavier) components. Testing showed that the dumbbells were no longer needed, as the extra drive CIMs not only provided more power, but helped address the center-of-gravity issues that led to the addition of the dumbbells at GSR. This hurdling robot (Fezzik) was the one that competed in all official rounds for 1519 at BattleCry. As fielded at BattleCry, Fezzik weighed 95.3 pounds, giving the robot excellent acceleration and preserving weight budget for some new features which should be implemented by IRI.

1519's other robot, Speed Racer, was a substitute at BattleCry for teams which didn't show up on Friday or couldn't make their regularly scheduled match due to technical problems. A number of changes were also made to Speed Racer, including removal of the extra Victors (which had been for Fezzik's arm), re-arrangement of the electronics board to give better placement for the gyro and radio, and various frame reinforcements to add structural strength. (The frames of both robot configurations had been more fragile than we would have liked in order to make the 120-pound weight limit when they were a single dual-config robot.) Speed Racer competed in about a half-dozen rounds at BattleCry, but was ineligible for alliance selections, being that it was only a substitute robot.

At this time, restoring the two robots to a single dual-configuration robot would require a fair bit of work, and would lessen the capabilities of either robot. Accordingly, for IRI we'll be competing with only the hurdling configuration, which we think is a very competitive robot in its own right.

Assuming we have room on our trip to IRI (which is actually a concern for the 18-hour drive) we'll try to bring Speed Racer as well, so that folks at IRI that haven't seen it can have a look-see. We'd be glad to run it as a substitute robot in place of teams with technical difficulties (like we did at BattleCry) if the IRI organizers want for us to do so, but we'll be using Fezzik to represent 1519 in the official rounds.

We're really looking forward to IRI and are honored to have been invited. My only regret is that I personally won't be able to attend IRI due to pre-existing vacation plans. :(

[sgreco]

How is the viewing at IRI? I'm considering flying out to watch.

I saw the team list, and even though I live 1000 miles away, I said to myself "wow, I can't miss this."
What else could I expect...it's IRI :)

[IndySam]

How is the viewing at IRI? I'm considering flying out to watch.

I saw the team list, and even though I live 1000 miles away, I said to myself "wow, I can't miss this."
What else could I expect...it's IRI :)

It's in the LN basketball gym. That might not sound like much but in Indiana high school gyms are as large as many small college gyms. There is plenty of room and good viewing.

[AndyB]

IRI on The Blue Alliance (http://www.thebluealliance.net/tbatv/event.php?eventid=194). Get your scouting on! :cool:

Greg, feel free to use any photos you need from Here (http://www.andyburchardt.com/iri_robots.php)

[emmell]

Re: Wait list teams.

The suspense is killing us. Any news on when the hounds will be released???

[David Kelly]

Re: Wait list teams.

The suspense is killing us. Any news on when the hounds will be released???


The latest team list can always be found on this page http://indianaroboticsinvitational.org/iri/event-info/team-list/

[JVN]

The latest team list can always be found on this page http://indianaroboticsinvitational.org/iri/event-info/team-list/

I'm sorry to say that 148 has decided to pull out. I'll be watching from the sidelines again this year. Hopefully we'll get the chance to play with all our friends again sometime in 2009.

-John

[Mark Holschuh]

Re: Wait list teams.

The suspense is killing us. Any news on when the hounds will be released???

I know how you feel! - Mark

[RyanN]

I'm going a little off topic (which may make me later make a new thread)... but I was wondering about hotels. We went to IRI in both 2005 and 2006 and missed the registration last year. Anyway, we stayed in some suite in 2005 that I really liked. It had 2 bedrooms, and a living area with a fold out bed in the couch and a good kitchenette. I have no idea what this place was called, so I'm hoping someone here can help me out. I've searched hotels and suites in the area and have not found anything that seems to match. Also, this isn't the same school as 2006 is it?

[Travis Hoffman]

Yes, it's still Lawrence North High School.

The Super 8 (Castleton, across E. 82nd from the Hilton) has some rooms that are queen suites with 2 queen beds, pullout sofa, and kitchenette. Candlewood Suites is still there on the other side of the interstate and has similar arrangements but is typically more expensive.

[Dan Richardson]

Ok so... I spent about 10 minutes looking and couldn't find out where to volunteer, I may have just missed it, as I do that quite often but can someone help me out? I'd like to help out this year.

Dan

[Travis Hoffman]

Ok so... I spent about 10 minutes looking and couldn't find out where to volunteer, I may have just missed it, as I do that quite often but can someone help me out? I'd like to help out this year.

Dan

http://indianaroboticsinvitational.org/iri/volunteer/

[David Kelly]

Yes, it's still Lawrence North High School.

The Super 8 (Castleton, across E. 82nd from the Hilton) has some rooms that are queen suites with 2 queen beds, pullout sofa, and kitchenette. Candlewood Suites is still there on the other side of the interstate and has similar arrangements but is typically more expensive.
Here are the hotels in the close proximity. http://maps.google.com/maps?f=l&hl=en&geocode=&q=hotel&near=7802+N+Hague+Rd,+Indianapolis,+IN+46256+(Lawr ence+North+High+School)&sll=39.640099,-86.194804&sspn=0.007832,0.013347&ie=UTF8&ll=39.915793,-86.041231&spn=0.031204,0.053387&z=14&iwloc=A

[GaryVoshol]

Ok so... I spent about 10 minutes looking and couldn't find out where to volunteer, I may have just missed it, as I do that quite often but can someone help me out? I'd like to help out this year.

Dan

Lessee, what can we find for Dan to do? Maybe he can be the official gofer for Wendy, Jane and Cynette.

[JaneYoung]

Ok so... I spent about 10 minutes looking and couldn't find out where to volunteer, I may have just missed it, as I do that quite often but can someone help me out? I'd like to help out this year.

Dan

I love how easy it is to navigate the IRI website.

If you look at the buttons at the top, 'Volunteer' is 3rd from the right. That should help.

Also note the 'pages' on the right side, those are just so cool.

http://indianaroboticsinvitational.org/iri/
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We get gofers?! :yikes:

I kid, I kid....

[Cynette]

Lessee, what can we find for Dan to do? Maybe he can be the official gofer for Wendy, Jane and Cynette.

We get gofers?! :yikes:

I kid, I kid....I thought we were the gofers!?! :D

What is even more silly is that I haven't actually said I'm coming! I guess I better hurry and decide!

[Richard Wallace]

Lessee, what can we find for Dan to do? Maybe he can be the official gofer for Wendy, Jane and Cynette.We get gofers?! :yikes:

I kid, I kid....

I thought we were the gofers!?! :D

Gofers can have their own gofers, applying a well-known principle of behavior in hierarchies:

Great fleas have little fleas upon their backs to bite ’em,
And little fleas have lesser fleas, and so ad infinitum.
And the great fleas themselves, in turn, have greater fleas to go on;
While these again have greater still, and greater still, and so on.
-- De Morgan: A Budget of Paradoxes, p. 377.

Just substitute 'gofers' for 'fleas' and the concept is clear enough. ;)

[JaneYoung]

Gofers can have their own gofers, applying a well-known principle of behavior in hierarchies:

Great fleas have little fleas upon their backs to bite ’em,
And little fleas have lesser fleas, and so ad infinitum.
And the great fleas themselves, in turn, have greater fleas to go on;
While these again have greater still, and greater still, and so on.
-- De Morgan: A Budget of Paradoxes, p. 377.

Just substitute 'gofers' for 'fleas' and the concept is clear enough. ;)

Are there whiney fleas? I mean, gofers?
I whine. The flea would quit. I mean, gofer.

Ad infinitum in paradox ..

[Taylor]

I thought we were the gofers!?! :D

What is even more silly is that I haven't actually said I'm coming! I guess I better hurry and decide!

We didn't send you a CyberCards shirt just so you could not wear it to the IRI!

(although if you're saving your Indiana trip for the CAGE Match in October, that'd be fine with me!)

[JB987]

I just saw on CNN some serious flooding in the Indianapolis area associated with a 3rd round of severe weather this past week. Does anyone know what kind of condition the Castleton area is in? How are the area teams doing? Any problems with the venue?

[Taylor]

A tornado ripped through north of town earlier this week, destroying an apartment complex and possibly creating isses for members of 829, 868, 1018, and 1024; right now the flooding is primarily on the southside. Teams that may be experiencing flooding right now are 234, 1272, 1529, and 1741.
I don't think there will be any venue problems with the 1024 host school, Lawrence North High.
Thanks for thinking of us.

[Allison]

I currently live in Castleton and drive by LN (Lawrence North) every morning on my way to work. As bolier stated there are issues with people homes however the school is fine.

[Dylan Gramlich]

Hey just as a question, are lap indicators going to be used? We will be taking off the cable if not but wanted to be sure before we took it off, then needed it back on.

[Andy Baker]

Hey just as a question, are lap indicators going to be used? We will be taking off the cable if not but wanted to be sure before we took it off, then needed it back on.

No on-board lap counters are being used. We will solely depend on the referee scoring.

Good question.

Andy

[wendymom]

What can we do to help with flood relief? Bring stuff? Bring money? Let us know

[Dan Richardson]

Well THeres your problem I was looking on the wrong website! The indiana first website sent me to cyber blue or whatever.. Oi vay.

[Katie_UPS]

Is the list on at http://indianaroboticsinvitational.org/iri/event-info/ the complete list?

I'm axious to know if 830 (Rat Pack) is going...

[Jeff Waegelin]

Is the list on at http://indianaroboticsinvitational.org/iri/event-info/ the complete list?

I'm axious to know if 830 (Rat Pack) is going...

Yep, they're going... at least, I should hope so, they're letting me stay in one of their hotel rooms!! Oh the perks of being a former team leader ;)