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Nate Smith
14-12-2007, 07:34
...for 2008. Any guesses?
Tim Baird
14-12-2007, 09:36
...PepsiCo noting a sharp increase in sales of Mountain Dew around lunchtime on January 5th?
Elgin Clock
14-12-2007, 10:26
Tim! You think that's what Woodie meant about his stock market comment in Atlanta this past year? :yikes:
Brilliant!
... KOP wheels other than the AM FIRST wheels... (AndyMark seems to have a FIRST wheel sale on now.)
lukevanoort
14-12-2007, 22:11
...A new and improved AM FIRST wheel with a stronger bearing holder (I hope FIRST doesn't abandon AndyMark's excellent design for Skyways wheels. AMs have so much more traction and are significantly cheaper to use) and a spur gear based KOP transmission
My dream: the return of the IFI breaker panel.
Likely reality: the same finicky rockwell distribution block :rolleyes:
Tim Baird
15-12-2007, 01:33
Return of... Rnets?
Richard Wallace
15-12-2007, 08:45
... the eighteen gallon tote?
... the hanging bar? ... or the limbo bar?
... the teeter-totter?
... the hexagonal playing field?
(So many possibilities. :confused: )
Jack Jones
15-12-2007, 09:29
... Nate Smith? ;)
...A new and improved AM FIRST wheel with a stronger bearing holder (I hope FIRST doesn't abandon AndyMark's excellent design for Skyways wheels. AMs have so much more traction and are significantly cheaper to use) and a spur gear based KOP transmission
I agree. The AM FIRST wheels were WAY better than any of the old Skyways.
Nate Smith
15-12-2007, 13:49
This is sort of correct, but not exactly. Let's just say that I will be involved this year, but not in the way that many of you may be used to seeing me (at events.) If you look at my current location listed in my profile, there's not much in the way of events out here, unless I wanted to travel to Manchester. However, if you know about some of the other projects I have been involved with in past years, that should send you on the right track...
Tottanka
15-12-2007, 14:01
Do you guys think that the CMUCam2 will be there once again?
d.courtney
16-12-2007, 21:56
Do you guys think that the CMUCam2 will be there once again?
My guess is that if they were sticking with a camera route, they may opt for the newer CMUCam3 and (hopefully) more support for the camera. Though something (http://www.chiefdelphi.com/forums/showthread.php?t=60132)makes me think the camera has seen its last days as the tech FIRST will be pushing.
The return of infrared sensors.
The return of a meaningful autonomous period.
-q
efoote868
16-12-2007, 22:31
stress, headaches, fried cameras, and teaching freshmen and sophomores to program so the team has programmers once i'm gone...
but really--
the return of balls as game pieces
d.courtney
16-12-2007, 22:38
The return of a meaningful autonomous period.
-q
Hopefully not one which impacts the game too much ie 2006. In my opinion a mix between 2004 and 2005's would be perfect. Have something most teams can do with some effort (ie 2005's hitting down the hanging tetras) and a more difficult part which you need sensors to complete that releases your game pieces early to your alliance (ie 2004's 10 point ball releasing your side). I think the key to a meaningful autonomous is having options, a simple option and a more complex one.
Nuttyman54
17-12-2007, 04:16
Placebos! C'mon, who's with me?
Hopefully not one which impacts the game too much ie 2006. In my opinion a mix between 2004 and 2005's would be perfect. Have something most teams can do with some effort (ie 2005's hitting down the hanging tetras) and a more difficult part which you need sensors to complete that releases your game pieces early to your alliance (ie 2004's 10 point ball releasing your side). I think the key to a meaningful autonomous is having options, a simple option and a more complex one.
Yes, i agree that a simple and difficult option for autonomous is a fantastic idea. Like how in 2006 you could go for a high goal or a floor goal.
Man our autonomous that year rocked... it was nice having someone on software that year that knew calculus... i'm guessing some people remember the beautiful blended curve path that our robot took to it's shooting position after finding the target from it's starting spot.
*sigh* ok maybe i'm just sore becasue we never got to use our autonomous mode this year... the ultrasonic radar+trig based autonomous was too complicated to finish in time. :o
-q
p.s. The return of an exciting and easy to understand game, that a walk-in spectator can understand and enjoy without any or much instruction.
Fred Sayre
17-12-2007, 12:45
My dream: the return of the IFI breaker panel.
Likely reality: the same finicky rockwell distribution block :rolleyes:
Amen. I would really appreciate the simplicity and the weight savings again, but I think that it is indeed a likely reality that we are stuck with those awkward distribution blocks and heavy 40A breakers.
Even more likely reality is perhaps a completely new solution, again. Just because of the fact that for the first time last year we had a clean electronics panel and they wouldn't let us get away with that again with out redesigning the whole thing.
...the return of game pieces we can shoot into the crowd...
Tottanka
17-12-2007, 13:37
...the return of game pieces we can shoot into the crowd...
CHEERS!
...the return of game pieces we can shoot into the crowd...
I second that lol. I see balls coming back again as it continues its glory of being the game piece of every even year!
Alex.Norton
17-12-2007, 14:17
My dream: the return of the IFI breaker panel.
Likely reality: the same finicky rockwell distribution block :rolleyes:
I doubt it. I think they got rid of them because they where shorting to the frame. When we where testing the camera in 2006 we kept having the battery short through it because the breaker panel was shorting to the frame which in tern shorted to the camera mount and then to something on the camera. Let me tell ya, it really stinks when sparks start shooting from your only available camera.
*Billowing Magic Smoke
I doubt it. I think they got rid of them because they where shorting to the frame. When we where testing the camera in 2006 we kept having the battery short through it because the breaker panel was shorting to the frame which in tern shorted to the camera mount and then to something on the camera. Let me tell ya, it really stinks when sparks start shooting from your only available camera.
*Billowing Magic Smoke
They got rid of them because IFI was losing money selling them, and not very many people were buying them.
And then last year Rockwell donated the PDB.
anyone seeing mobile goals coming back?
Mike Schroeder
17-12-2007, 15:15
The Jedi?
Elgin Clock
17-12-2007, 15:21
The Mack?
The King?
The Living Dead?
of bumpers.... but as a game piece!!
I see a big future for those noodles :rolleyes:
http://static.flickr.com/9/68543999_b9f3c2df95.jpg
seriously though think about it.. they are:
Cheap
Easily obtainable
Challenging to grasp
Lightweight
if not 2008 I seriously believe we will be seeing them in 2009.... they are a perfect game piece for FIRST...
-Leav
p.s.
if this comes true I want my own corner like car nack.... :p
d.courtney
17-12-2007, 16:39
seriously though think about it.. they are:
Cheap
Easily obtainable
Not so much for us! (though that may have allot to do with the fact that its the middle of winter in Canada mixed with living in fairly rural community.)
lol us too!! us canadians would be at a slight disadvantage to those who can obtain pool noodles in the middle of winter lol.
Scott Carpman
17-12-2007, 20:01
Return of...Futurama?
Return of....the Soviet Union?
JaneYoung
17-12-2007, 20:50
The Mummy
whytheheckme
18-12-2007, 07:29
My dream: the return of the IFI breaker panel.
Amen.
YES!!!!!
Finally, people who agree! The IFI breaker panel made things SO much cleaner, and easy to diagnose. I know, I know, it isn't as much of an educational experience, but.... CMON PLEASE?????? PRETTY PLEASE??? WITH SUGAR ON TOP??????
-:o-
Now that I've settled down, I'll be quiet. But seriously FIRST (and I'll direct this at Dave, because he probably has the most influence), if you're looking for a great christmas/holiday present to me, and many other people who wire their robots, please bring back the IFI breaker panel. You don't even have to send me one. I already have one. I just want to be able to use it.
Thanks in advance Dave ;) ,
Jacob
lol no kidding, it would make things easier for sure!!!
Travis Hoffman
18-12-2007, 14:14
....the King? (No not Elvis)
....4 vs. 0
YES!!!!!
Finally, people who agree! The IFI breaker panel made things SO much cleaner, and easy to diagnose. I know, I know, it isn't as much of an educational experience, but.... CMON PLEASE?????? PRETTY PLEASE??? WITH SUGAR ON TOP??????
-:o-
Now that I've settled down, I'll be quiet. But seriously FIRST (and I'll direct this at Dave, because he probably has the most influence), if you're looking for a great christmas/holiday present to me, and many other people who wire their robots, please bring back the IFI breaker panel. You don't even have to send me one. I already have one. I just want to be able to use it.
Thanks in advance Dave ;) ,
Jacob
Don't get your hopes up. While I'd love to see it back, I'd put my guess of the chance of it returning at somewhere below 1% (I'd say zero... but as soon as you start making guarantees you inevitably look foolish ;))
....4 vs. 0
I would prefer it stayed as 3v3 to tell the true, so much more adrealine when your competition is right in front of your face, "bumping" into your bot
thefro526
18-12-2007, 14:39
Robots?
I would also like the IFI breaker panel to make a return in this years kit of parts.
80 hours of robots each week
80 hours of robots each week
just 80? :p
whytheheckme
18-12-2007, 18:52
....4 vs. 0
Would much appreciate. I think the problem is the number of teams at an event though. Only having 4 on the field at once would take 150% of the time.
How about 6 vs. 0? or 8 vs. 0?
Jacob
Would much appreciate. I think the problem is the number of teams at an event though. Only having 4 on the field at once would take 150% of the time.
How about 6 vs. 0? or 8 vs. 0?
JacobYou weren't around in 2001, were you? If you think finals already take too long, try that competition format and see how you like it. (2001 was one of the least liked games, period.)
Ian Curtis
18-12-2007, 19:07
You weren't around in 2001, were you? If you think finals already take too long, try that competition format and see how you like it. (2001 was one of the least liked games, period.)
In 2001 only four alliances fought for victory in the elimination bracket. :p
Fun Fact: In order to facilitate this, the 5th through 8th seeds were automatically paired with the 1st through 4th in reverse order (ie 1 with 8, 2 with 7 etc.)
How about the return of the "old style" (aka not serpentine) draft?
In 2001 only four alliances fought for victory in the elimination bracket. :p
Fun Fact: In order to facilitate this, the 5th through 8th seeds were automatically paired with the 1st through 4th in reverse order (ie 1 with 8, 2 with 7 etc.)
How about the return of the "old style" (aka not serpentine) draft?It still took forever. Eight matches per semi-final, and four for the finals. Up to another two per set of matches, as I recall (though I don't remember exactly what happened if there was a tie).
cziggy343
18-12-2007, 19:19
yeah... i would like to keep it at the 3 vs. 3 format... just b/c i like the competition. and i like the way the elimination draft is set up now... it give more of a chance to the lower seeded alliances, instead of it basically being up to the number one seed to lose it.
Ian Curtis
18-12-2007, 19:25
It still took forever. Eight matches per semi-final, and four for the finals. Up to another two per set of matches, as I recall (though I don't remember exactly what happened if there was a tie).
While they played more matches per matchup, I don't see how it could've taken that much longer. In 2001, each matchup could play no more than 6 matches, if they got to six, then the alliance with the higher average score moved on. This means that a total of 18 2 minute matches could be played. The tournament structure of the last few years consists of 7 matchups, requiring at most 21 2 minutes and change bouts. Even if each match was a blowout, the present format would take longer.
In their shortest forms, the 2001 tourney would've had 12 matches lasting 2 minutes each, while the last few years would've had 14 matches each lasting slightly longer than 2 minutes.
I didn't got to any tournaments back then though, so I wouldn't know about how the tournaments ran. Did the game just take a long time to reset?
http://www.technokats.org/documents/2001/2001_GameManual.pdf
I didn't got to any tournaments back then though, so I wouldn't know about how the tournaments ran. Did the game just take a long time to reset?
Let's see--balance the bridge, move small and large balls to the other side of the field, empty the goals and position them, as well as moving robots on at one end (ideally, the end robots were already in from the last round...). Yeah, it could take a while.
cziggy343
18-12-2007, 19:34
i was there too... it definently took a while... and FIRST had to accomidate for a lot less teams
4v0 sucked. I'd hate to see another game with any amount of teams vs 0.
I agree! I would find 3v3 more of a challenge, because it becomes a variable as to how your going to play. 4 v 0 you could play the same way every single match once you got it down, but 3v3 you have to change slightly each time to account for the different robots your facing
3v3 or something like it (x vs. x) is the best!
When you're vs. any human element you add the excruciatingly mind-boggling concept of pure utter randomness into the playing field. It's so random it's worse than chess sometimes and you really just need a bit of luck to capitalize and hope you're in the right position at the right time.
Playing chess against yourself gets rather boring, for bot the crowd and the player(s).
Steven_585
20-12-2007, 00:53
The return of infrared sensors.
the return of? is this not the first time they have been used in the competiton (actually i would't be the one to know, 2007 was my rookie year :yikes: )
:]
Nuttyman54
20-12-2007, 01:37
the return of? is this not the first time they have been used in the competiton (actually i would't be the one to know, 2007 was my rookie year :yikes: )
:]
IR beacons were available in the 2004 game as navigational aids (they had mucho problems though)
galewind
20-12-2007, 05:54
of bumpers.... but as a game piece!!
I see a big future for those noodles :rolleyes:
seriously though think about it.. they are:
Cheap
Easily obtainable
Challenging to grasp
Lightweight
if not 2008 I seriously believe we will be seeing them in 2009.... they are a perfect game piece for FIRST...
-Leav
p.s.
if this comes true I want my own corner like car nack.... :p
What is absolutely scary here is that i had an actual dream (as opposed to a fake dream) where the game involved picking up pool noodles and doing something with them. I actually thought of the same things and said to myself that it'd be incredibly scary if they were the game element.
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