G36 Contradiction FRC 2008

[cinderblock]

<G36> HOME STRETCH Height Restriction – ROBOTS in the HOME STRETCH of the opposing ALLIANCE can not be more than 6 feet tall. A PENALTY will be assigned for each infraction.

This rule makes it so you cannot take TRACKBALLS off of the opponent's OVERPASS from their HOME STRETCH which is the area on their side of the filed leading up to the finish line. There is no distinction between HYBRID or TELEOPERATED modes.

In accordance with:
<G22> Direction Of Traffic – ROBOTS must proceed around the TRACK in a counter-clockwise direction. Once a ROBOT has CROSSED a LANE MARKER or FINISH LINE, it shall not break the plane of the line by moving in the clockwise direction. A PENALTY will be assigned for each infraction.

You cannot cross the finish line and reach back over the finish line to get the TRACKBALL.

The only feasible way to get the ball down would be to trow a TRACKBALL at one still on the OVERPASS.

The game animation shows a RED ALLIANCE ROBOT extending higher than 6 feet in the BLUE HOME STRETCH.

Will teams have to gamble between the value of the penalty and the number of points score-able during the match?

Please reply with concrete evidence or a reply from FIRST. We do not need to extend this thread with comments founded on speculation.

[Tomasz Bania]

This rule makes it so you cannot take TRACKBALLS off of the opponent's OVERPASS from their HOME STRETCH which is the area on their side of the filed leading up to the finish line. There is no distinction between HYBRID or TELEOPERATED modes.

In accordance with:


You cannot cross the finish line and reach back over the finish line to get the TRACKBALL.

The only feasible way to get the ball down would be to trow a TRACKBALL at one still on the OVERPASS.

The game animation shows a RED ALLIANCE ROBOT extending higher than 6 feet in the BLUE HOME STRETCH.

Will teams have to gamble between the value of the penalty and the number of points score-able during the match?

Please reply with concrete evidence or a reply from FIRST. We do not need to extend this thread with comments founded on speculation.

This is not speculation: Just wait for update 1.

[Mike Schreiber]

I know this has already been discussed in at least 5 different threads and that's the first thing our team asked after reading G36 and here is what I've discovered on chief and by discussing with others.

the ball hangs down 8" between the two bars holding it in the 6.5' overhang on which the balls are located which allows for 2" of play to hit the ball from below the math is posted somewhere around here I'll see if I can find a link

FIRST will have to clarify the homestretch rule or admit that they made a mistake in their animation

[7/16ths Master]

yea i was wondering this too, but worst comes to worst and the rule is correct, then u can just knock off the trackball from underneath since there is no plexiglass panel preventing it from being knocked off. This method could also be used to knock off your own trackballs during the hybrid period. It saves time becasue it does not require an arm or claw to extend up there and knock it off, all that u have to do would be attach an extending rod (piston) on top of ur bot and hit the trackball at an angle to knock it off. People may say however that this may interfere with the rules saying that it doesnt count if u pass the line before knocking it down. Well, the most u would go would be rite on the line, and technically, it cant be counted as u passed it because the ENTIRE robot has not passed the line as regulated and stated by the manual.


This is what happens when u read the manual like 50 times.

[cinderblock]

In case you missed the update, FIRST has fixed this issue.

Rule <G36> has been removed. There is no longer a height restriction in an opponent’s homestretch.

Other changes to the rules have been made to reflect this change.

Check the full update out here (http://www.usfirst.org/uploadedFiles/Community/FRC/FRC_Documents_and_Updates/2008_Assets/Team_Updates/Team Update 1.pdf)