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schmidtz
11-02-2008, 09:02
have any of you ever ran across team #1? if so, where are they from and are they still in the competition?
Juggernauts
Pontiac, MI
http://www.thebluealliance.net/tbatv/team.php?team=1
Not really the first team, but when FIRST decided to stop shuffling numbers every year, they got #1.
Please search though, this question is asked like twice a week it seems.
Tristan Lall
11-02-2008, 09:08
They're the Juggernauts, %@$!*. (Sorry, couldn't resist.)
Here's the information (https://my.usfirst.org/myarea/index.lasso?page=teaminfo&team=1&event_type=FRC) on them from FIRST's site. They're going to Detroit, St. Louis, and the Championship.
But the current team numbering system was established around 1998, and they're not really one of the first FIRST teams from 1992.
So, who was assigned #1 in1992?
65_Xero_Huskie
24-02-2008, 19:48
They are right next door to us, so we see it every day.
But the juggernauts are a good team and represent the number well :)
So, who was assigned #1 in1992?
Numbers were not assigned in 1992. The current number system started back in 1998 when all the teams had their permanent numbers that we all know today assigned.
So there were no temporary numbers for that year, or were teams known only by their name.
So there were no temporary numbers for that year, or were teams known only by their name.
As far as I know teams were know by their high school and/or sponsor in 1992. I'm pretty sure I'm right but someone correct me if I'm wrong.
Mike M.
Akash Rastogi
24-02-2008, 20:03
So there were no temporary numbers for that year, or were teams known only by their name.
I believe it went by sponsor name (alphabetically)
We used to be team 8 for our rookie year because we were sponsored by BASF originally.
Mike Martus
24-02-2008, 20:04
Starting back in 1998 teams were allowed to keep their numbers. Prior to 1997 teams got new numbers each year.
So in 1997 Team 47 was team 46. In 1996 we were team 32.
I like 47 better!
As far as I know teams were know by their high school and/or sponsor in 1992. I'm pretty sure I'm right but someone correct me if I'm wrong.
Mike M.
From the looks of the old pictures there were no team numbers in 1992.
And in the years following that teams were assigned numbers every year by alphabetical order (I think it was by sponsor name. That's why while while we may be an original FIRST team we have a rather large number because Xerox starts with an X).
Starting back in 1998 teams were allowed to keep their numbers. Prior to 1997 teams got new numbers each year.
So in 1997 Team 47 was team 46. In 1996 we were team 32.
I like 47 better!
I think we have a robot with a 47 on it.
I have to admit I like 191 better.:D
From the looks of the old pictures there were no team numbers in 1992.
And in the years following that teams were assigned numbers every year by alphabetical order (I think it was by sponsor name. That's why while while we may be an original FIRST team we have a rather large number because Xerox starts with an X).I saw a list once and it was by sponsor name, alphabetically, with 3M being the first sponsor--for the current team #1, Juggernaut.
330 was originally 82, but a sponsor switched names or something like that and they got a new number. I like 330 better.
Ty Tremblay
24-02-2008, 20:12
319 is an original 1992 team. (according to my mentor, we were the 6th team to register)
Looking at the '92 competition bracket (http://www.technokats.org/gallery2/main.php?g2_itemId=73) there were definitely no team numbers.
Mike M.
Thanks for that clarification. I want to learn more about the history of FIRST.
Heretic121
24-02-2008, 20:16
for some strange reason i think both of 121's bots from both 96+97 were in fact team 94... at least... aquatread was 94 =X
*note... did some digging... found a team 121 lab coat from 1996 when the bot was named Ragnarok... i found no team number on the coat... meaning no team numbers were formed until 97??? i could be wrong just complete speculation...
319 is an original 1992 team. (according to my mentor, we were originally team 6)
According to The Blue Alliance (http://www.thebluealliance.net/tbatv/team.php?team=319&sbutt=Go) 319's rookie year was 1999.
Tristan Lall
24-02-2008, 20:19
330 was originally 82, but a sponsor switched names or something like that and they got a new number.That's weird: a number in the 300s usually indicates a rookie year of 1999 or later (by which time the numbers were being assigned by the current method). Is it possible that the team skipped 1998 and 1999, and when they rejoined, 82 was already assigned, and 330 was available? Or was it one of those situations where the team and sponsor split up, and the school ended up re-forming a team under a different identity?
(If FIRST's site were accessible today, I would check their records....)
Aside: Apparently this makes a thousand posts for me...over seven years. Meanwhile, Ed just keeps going, and going....
Looking at the '92 competition bracket (http://www.technokats.org/gallery2/main.php?g2_itemId=73) there were definitely no team numbers.
Mike M.
Can any of you name who the four teams are in the final four today (by number)?
AdamHeard
24-02-2008, 20:22
That's weird: a number in the 300s usually indicates a rookie year of 1999 or later (by which time the numbers were being assigned by the current method). Is it possible that the team skipped 1998 and 1999, and when they rejoined, 82 was already assigned, and 330 was available? Or was it one of those situations where the team and sponsor split up, and the school ended up re-forming a team under a different identity?
(If FIRST's site were accessible today, I would check their records....)
Not sure the exact reasons or history, but I do know for sure that 294, 330, 207 and a few now defunct teams were all one team that is at least as old as 96.
Guy Davidson
24-02-2008, 20:22
Can any of you name who the four teams are in the final four today (by number)?
The Technokats (45) are from Kokomo, Wheeling is Wildstang (111, currently including also Rolling Meadows HS), WPI is of course 190, but I don't know who Clinton is. EDIT: A quick google search says that Clinton HS and NYPRO are currently team 126.
Not sure the exact reasons or history, but I do know for sure that 294, 330, 207 and a few now defunct teams were all one team that is at least as old as 96.
I don't think they're much older than '96, if at all. The WildHats (100) are the first team from the west coast (http://www.team100.org/history.html), and they stared in 1995.
I know our team joined in 1996. To be honest, I really can't complain about our number. 8 is quite fantastic :P
The Technokats (45) are from Kokomo, Wheeling is Wildstang (111, currently including also Rolling Meadows HS), WPI is of course 190, but I don't know who Clinton is.
126! Gaelforce!
Nuttyman54
24-02-2008, 20:24
The Technokats (45) are from Kokomo, Wheeling is Wildstang (111, currently including also Rolling Meadows HS), WPI is of course 190, but I don't know who Clinton is.
You don't know Clinton? They were the champs that year! They are now more commonly known as Team 126, Gael Force
Guy Davidson
24-02-2008, 20:28
126! Gaelforce!
You don't know Clinton? They were the champs that year! They are now more commonly known as Team 126, Gael Force
I guess that's what I get for never coming to compete on the east coast :P Maybe next year, depending on where I go to college, I'll have the opportunity to compete with/against/see Gael Force.
That's weird: a number in the 300s usually indicates a rookie year of 1999 or later (by which time the numbers were being assigned by the current method). Is it possible that the team skipped 1998 and 1999, and when they rejoined, 82 was already assigned, and 330 was available? Or was it one of those situations where the team and sponsor split up, and the school ended up re-forming a team under a different identity?
(If FIRST's site were accessible today, I would check their records....)It gets worse...61, 82, 330, 207, 294. Which numbers go to which team?
Back in 1997, SoCal had barely heard of FIRST. Two teams existed--team 22 in Chatsworth and team 61 in the Beach Cities. 61 was made up of four schools, maybe more. In 1998, 61 split three ways due to politics. All three are still around, but here is the breakup: 82 (Beach'Bots), 294 (Beach Cities Robotics, two schools), 207 (Vultures, now Metalcrafters, same school). Then, in 1999, 82 had a sponsor's name change (I think--either that or the application was much later), and 1999 was the last year that numbers were assigned by sponsor. The result? Team 330, the Beach'Bots, have their rookie year in 1999, but started before then. The next year, the numbers locked into time-of-joining.
By the way, the distinctive feature of Beach'Bot 2 (1999) was its rotating wheels to get onto the puck and control it.
Check the FIRSTwiki site; it gives a little better description right now.
Oh yeah, I've heard rumors that another school had a member on 61. The school I'm thinking about joined 1197 last season.
Jeremiah Johnson
24-02-2008, 20:30
I didn't think Wildstang was an original team... but I could be wrong. Rookie year of 1996? Is that another team from the same school/sponsor.
Team 648 used to be 309 and the rookie year was 1999, the team got mixed up and was later renumber to 648.
I didn't think Wildstang was an original team... but I could be wrong. Rookie year of 1996? Is that another team from the same school/sponsor.
Team 648 used to be 309 and the rookie year was 1999, the team got mixed up and was later renumber to 648.
Wildstang was in FIRST in '92. Dropped out and came back in '96.
waialua359
24-02-2008, 20:38
This is all interesting! I assumed the beachbots started the same year as us.
We were teammates with another Hawaii team 368 in the finals in 2000 against 254, 60 and ??? (cant remember) in Silicon Valley. I thought at the time, we were an all rookie alliance against them. The Beach Bots were a #1 seed with no losses until the finals. Their bot was made of PVC if I remember correctly.
I met team #1 in 2003 and they told us the story. All that time, I thought they were the 1st team.
Ty Tremblay
24-02-2008, 20:40
According to The Blue Alliance (http://www.thebluealliance.net/tbatv/team.php?team=319&sbutt=Go) 319's rookie year was 1999.
The year before that (1998) 319 did a pilot program in which 319 did their 1998 season during the game design period. Thus, we were unable to participate in the actual 1998 season. Then, in 1999 we came back without doing the pilot program, thus imbuing us with our 1999 "rookie" year.
This is all interesting! I assumed the beachbots started the same year as us.
We were teammates with another Hawaii team 368 in the finals in 2000 against 254, 60 and ??? (cant remember) in Silicon Valley. I thought at the time, we were an all rookie alliance against them. The Beach Bots were a #1 seed with no losses until the finals. Their bot was made of PVC if I remember correctly.PVC hopper, aluminum frame.
Dancin103
24-02-2008, 21:11
Well team 1, the juggernauts, they are a great team, and only get to compete with them at nationals usually. They had some pretty fun give away stuff along with buttons back in the day. They had these yo-yo's, and they were pretty neat (i think they only gave out so many of them too, i just found mine the other day, lol).
But yeah, FIRST decided to keep numbers starting in 1998 cause every year from 1995 to 1997 we were a different team number, i mainly remember we were 72 for a while and now we are 103. (we actually found our robot signs for when we were team 72 that took us back. lol)
There's so great FIRST history being discussed in this thread, always a favorite to read! :)
Mark McLeod
24-02-2008, 21:23
Based just on the school names of the '92 year it looks like they correspond to the modern team numbers:
20
45
97
99 (defunct)
111
126
146 (defunct)
151
181
190
191
213
224
681 & 2047 (both defunct)
(760 was a restart attempt that failed)
Several of them look like they dropped out for a couple of years before returning to FIRST. No telling who may have split up into other legacy teams.
So 11 of the original teams are still with us. I don't imagine too many original members (mentors and students who are now mentors) are still with us, but I bet there are a few. Who are you?
Scott Carpman
24-02-2008, 21:27
681 & 2047? I'd love to hear the story about that.
Based just on the school names of the '92 year it looks like they correspond to the modern team numbers:
20
45
97
99 (defunct)
111
126
146 (defunct)
151
181
190
191
213
224
681 & 2047 (both defunct)
(760 was a restart attempt that failed)
Several of them look like they dropped out for a couple of years before returning to FIRST. No telling who may have split up into other legacy teams.
So 11 of the original teams are still with us. I don't imagine too many original members (mentors and students who are now mentors) are still with us, but I bet there are a few. Who are you?As I recall, there are either 7 or 9 legacy teams that get a pass to Championships. I think they're the ones that have been continuously active.
Mark McLeod
24-02-2008, 21:32
681 & 2047? I'd love to hear the story about that.
I'm just perusing a team database.
Both are teams started in Whitney Young Magnet High School in Chicago.
681 played only one year in 2001 at the Midwest Regional
2047 came out like gangbusters last year (2007) and attended four Regionals and the Championship, then disappeared from this year's roster.
As I recall, there are either 7 or 9 legacy teams that get a pass to Championships. I think they're the ones that have been continuously active.
The FIRST database lists 7 teams as Rookies in 1992: 20, 45, 126, 190, 191 + 19 & 148
However, 19 and 148, do not have supporting database entries so may just be a mistake. They may have had other names or been multiple school teams.
As I recall, there are either 7 or 9 legacy teams that get a pass to Championships. I think they're the ones that have been continuously active.
From what I'm told there are only 5 legacy teams. 20,45,126,190 and 191.
Richard Wallace
24-02-2008, 22:09
From what I'm told there are only 5 legacy teams. 20,45,126,190 and 191.The FIRST database may be incomplete. It shows no activity for FRC 20 (https://my.usfirst.org/myarea/index.lasso?page=teaminfo&team=20&event_type=FRC) from 1999 through 2003, and no activity for FRC 190 (https://my.usfirst.org/myarea/index.lasso?page=teaminfo&team=190&event_type=FRC) before 1995, although both of those teams are listed as 1992 rookies. The FIRST database shows activity for each of the other three 1992 rookies (45, 126, 191) in every year.
Both 20 and 190 have several very active current participants on these fora. Hopefully someone with a long memory can fill in the blanks.
waialua359
24-02-2008, 22:16
From what I'm told there are only 5 legacy teams. 20,45,126,190 and 191.
To be part of FIRST since 1992 is amazing. One season of FIRST can burn a person/team out, but to do it for 17 years now, oh my!
On the other hand, my main role in our school is FIRST Robotics. I cant see going back to the same old teaching again and it seems like so long ago.:p
JamesBrown
24-02-2008, 22:26
The FIRST database may be incomplete. It shows no activity for FRC 20 (https://my.usfirst.org/myarea/index.lasso?page=teaminfo&team=20&event_type=FRC) from 1999 through 2003, and no activity for FRC 190 (https://my.usfirst.org/myarea/index.lasso?page=teaminfo&team=190&event_type=FRC) before 1995, although both of those teams are listed as 1992 rookies. The FIRST database shows activity for each of the other three 1992 rookies (45, 126, 191) in every year.
Both 20 and 190 have several very active current participants on these fora. Hopefully someone with a long memory can fill in the blanks.
Team 250 used to be part of team 20 I know that they split and 1999 was team 250's rookie year, this may be the discrepancy.
Jimmy Cao
24-02-2008, 22:31
They got #1 because numbers were assigned by alphabetical order by sponsors. Their sponsor started w/ a 3 (forgot what it was)
That was the story I was told
Elgin Clock
24-02-2008, 23:21
They got #1 because numbers were assigned by alphabetical order by sponsors. Their sponsor started w/ a 3 (forgot what it was)
That was the story I was told
3 Dimensional Services.
http://www.chiefdelphi.com/media/photos/12451
Also, to go along with the Sponsor names determining team numbers, you'll notice a lot of UTC teams range from 170ish to 180-ish, & 190 is WPI, and 191 is Xerox.
3 Dimensional Services.
http://www.chiefdelphi.com/media/photos/12451
Also, to go along with the Sponsor names determining team numbers, you'll notice a lot of UTC teams range from 170ish to 180-ish, & 190 is WPI, and 191 is Xerox.
that trend is also evident with the Delphi teams from '98-'99 when the the numbers were locked, 45,47,48,49(did I miss any...lol)
Nevets Amstier
25-02-2008, 00:07
UTC teams range from 170ish to 180-ish, & 190 is WPI, and 191 is Xerox.
yeup,
i know 177 (UTC Power) used to be team #59 before the "grand resorting"
EDIT (team 177 was actually 59, not 56..my bad)
also, according to a mentor of mine, teams had no numbers before 1997
Rick TYler
25-02-2008, 02:00
And now we have the "new number every year" thing for FTC. FIRST might think that FTC is just a training or transitional program on the way to FRC, but I'm pretty sure that a lot of us are going to stick with FTC and don't really care if we ever have to weld up a frame again. Let's have permanent FTC numbers starting now!
Tim Baird
25-02-2008, 06:58
The FIRST database may be incomplete. It shows no activity for FRC 20 (https://my.usfirst.org/myarea/index.lasso?page=teaminfo&team=20&event_type=FRC) from 1999 through 2003, and no activity for FRC 190 (https://my.usfirst.org/myarea/index.lasso?page=teaminfo&team=190&event_type=FRC) before 1995, although both of those teams are listed as 1992 rookies.
It probably shows no activity because of a technicality. 190 used to be WPI and Doherty HS, but then switched to WPI and Mass Academy when WPI formed the Mass Academy as their own high school. They have been in it every year, but, by FIRST's definition of an "original team", they lose it because of the high school switch.
Tim Baird
25-02-2008, 07:02
I don't imagine too many original members (mentors and students who are now mentors) are still with us, but I bet there are a few. Who are you?
Gael Force is proud to have Tom O'Connell as an original and still current mentor on our team. He started out as a mentor from the school (physics teacher) and still continues to come in and help even after retirement.
Jimmy Nichols
25-02-2008, 07:32
Starting back in 1998 teams were allowed to keep their numbers. Prior to 1997 teams got new numbers each year.
So in 1997 Team 47 was team 46. In 1996 we were team 32.
I like 47 better!
We, 1038, used to be 144 and when our sponsor, mentors moved schools due to no support from school board and district we were not allowed to take our number with us.
It probably shows no activity because of a technicality. 190 used to be WPI and Doherty HS, but then switched to WPI and Mass Academy when WPI formed the Mass Academy as their own high school. They have been in it every year, but, by FIRST's definition of an "original team", they lose it because of the high school switch.
I thought 190 is grandfathered into Championships along with the other original teams/Chairman's winners?
Steve Kaneb
25-02-2008, 14:46
I thought 190 is grandfathered into Championships along with the other original teams/Chairman's winners?
Well, we are still counted as a legacy team. In addition to the legacy designation, 190 also has "earned" its way into the championship every year, which was easier when you could get in from "points" earned from design awards.
Billfred
25-02-2008, 14:50
Courtesy of the FIRST site, six teams (http://www.usfirst.org/community/frc/content.aspx?id=944) are considered 1992 teams: 20, 45, 126, 148, 190, 191. I think it's only recently that 148 proved its lineage back to Maize Craze (I don't remember them on the list in years past), but that's what FIRST has decreed.
JamesBrown
25-02-2008, 14:54
I don't imagine too many original members (mentors and students who are now mentors) are still with us, but I bet there are a few. Who are you?
Larry Ruff with 1493 has been a mentor since 1992, he originally worked with team 20 but switched to 1493 when the team was started on campus. In the AML, the Lab/Manufacturing Facility the Larry over sees we have many of the old robots and the rules and competition booklets(with team lists) dating back to 1992.
And now we have the "new number every year" thing for FTC. FIRST might think that FTC is just a training or transitional program on the way to FRC, but I'm pretty sure that a lot of us are going to stick with FTC and don't really care if we ever have to weld up a frame again. Let's have permanent FTC numbers starting now!
Our leader is a fan of that. FTC is much easier...err cheaper... to integrate into the majority of school cirriculums/budgets. Garfield High School (Woodbridge, VA) doesn't have the resources for a grand FRC team but on a low budget they've put out 2 fantastic FTC teams in the last 2 years with some very well-engineered robots & teams completely done by the students with only 1-2 teachers as mentors. Unfortunately, they don't have a recurring identity even though (imo) they really deserve one.
2047 came out like gangbusters last year (2007) and attended four Regionals and the Championship, then disappeared from this year's roster.
This sounds like an unfortunate example of how some teams can overextend themselves. This is why business plans are a must for FIRST teams and there is even an award for FRC teams specifically for their business plans. I've seen the huge importance of them on our own team and I'm sure teams that have been around for double-digit years can attest to it as well. If, as a student, you do 1-2 regionals a year and maybe 1 championship, you've done roughly 6-8 events solving a great variety of problems over the 4 years.
Veterans: Have you always attended 2 or more regionals (championship excluded), say, in the last 10 years?
GaryVoshol
25-02-2008, 15:12
This [a team that went to 4 events, then folded] sounds like an unfortunate example of how some teams can overextend themselves. This is why business plans are a must for FIRST teams and there is even an award for FRC teams specifically for their business plans. I've seen the huge importance of them on our own team and I'm sure teams that have been around for double-digit years can attest to it as well. If, as a student, you do 1-2 regionals a year and maybe 1 championship, you've done roughly 6-8 events solving a great variety of problems over the 4 years.Another possibility is that all the gung-ho students graduated, and there wasn't enough of an interest base built among underclassmen to continue the team. It isn't always finances that causes a team to fold.
Veterans: Have you always attended 2 or more regionals (championship excluded), say, in the last 10 years?This post http://www.chiefdelphi.com/forums/showthread.php?t=63045&highlight=team+spreadsheet+regional
calculates that 75% of teams go to only one regional.
Mark McLeod
25-02-2008, 15:41
From looking through last year's posts on CD, apparently, students from Whitney also belong to Team 2136 who are active this year in addition to last year. About half of Team 2047 was from Whitney, with the remainder from 4 other schools. It may be a matter of economic, political, or mentor expediency.
Nevets Amstier
25-02-2008, 21:53
EDIT TO MY PREVIOUS POST
(team 177 was actually 59, not 56..my bad)
also, according to a mentor of mine, teams had no numbers before 1997
my team was started in 1997 and it was numbered originally 185 it changed the following year because we changed our name i think to its current number 272 the scary part is i was a student back them i love the whole full circle thing when it comes to FIRST
shock190
26-02-2008, 07:25
Well, we are still counted as a legacy team. In addition to the legacy designation, 190 also has "earned" its way into the championship every year, which was easier when you could get in from "points" earned from design awards.
Another big reason we're still counted is that we had a transition year. 1993/2 was WPI/Doherty, 1994 was WPI/Doherty & Mass Academy, 1995 was WPI/Mass Academy. The gradual shift made the team continuous.
Andy Baker
26-02-2008, 08:52
As far as I know teams were know by their high school and/or sponsor in 1992. I'm pretty sure I'm right but someone correct me if I'm wrong.
Mike M.
Along with the bracket that Mark referenced, here is the team list from '92 (http://www.technokats.org/documents/1992/92_teamlist.pdf).
For you history buffs, you can dig into the TechnoKats History page (http://www.technokats.org/historyproject.php) for more research.
To be part of FIRST since 1992 is amazing. One season of FIRST can burn a person/team out, but to do it for 17 years now, oh my!
I know of one mentor who has been in this since 1992: Paul Kane of team 20. Paul won the Woodie Flowers Finalist Award at the UTC Regional in 2006. Paul is also one of the teachers who worked to develop Project Lead the Way over 10 years ago.
Andy B.
http://www.chiefdelphi.com/forums/showthread.php?t=22795&highlight=family+tree
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