2008 Championship Division Predictions

[Tom Bottiglieri]

I haven't seen this thread pop up yet this year, so I figured I'd start it.

I wrote up this page to make it a bit easier to keep track of changes as new teams qualify and register for the event.

http://www.thebluealliance.net/championship08/divisions.php

Discuss!

[cziggy343]

will this be continuously updated until they are actually set?

[Tom Bottiglieri]

will this be continuously updated until they are actually set?
The page is based on the TBA API, which automatically updates team and event info. So the answer is yes, this will update as time goes on, automatically.

[nikeairmancurry]

I kinda like where we are at right now.. but as it looks right now it seems like the stregth is pretty well spread out

[Nawaid Ladak]

wasent this done serpentine style last year though?

I'm also guessing week 4 winners haven't been added yet?

u actually like this

[Tom Bottiglieri]

wasent this done serpentine style last year though?

That can be changed if need be.

I'm also guessing week 4 winners haven't been added yet?

u actually like this
All of the week 4 winners are not going to the CMP event. Winning an event qualifies them to go, but they still need to register and pay. Once they have completed this process, their team will be added to the registered team list on the FIRST site, and TBA will update its data accordingly.

And hey, its just for fun!
Who can predict what division/alliance will take home the gold?

[George A.]

I predict Newton or Archimedes...I can't remember the last time Curie or Galileo won it all.

[smurfgirl]

I'm a little bit scared of what our tentative division looks like (Archimedes so far)... there are so many amazing bots we're up against. The same goes for all the other divisions, though.

[cziggy343]

I'm a little bit scared of what our tentative division looks like (Archimedes so far)... there are so many amazing bots we're up against. The same goes for all the other divisions, though.

that's usually how it goes... the best of the best under one roof... everyone is scared

[nuggetsyl]

Another useful thing on the tba page. Hey can you guys do the two different ways 07 i think used a different method.

[Tom Bottiglieri]

Another useful thing on the tba page. Hey can you guys do the two different ways 07 i think used a different method.
I'll make an option to switch to serpentine selection when I get home tonight.

[Joe Ross]

I predict Newton or Archimedes...I can't remember the last time Curie or Galileo won it all.

That's because they haven't.

[Akash Rastogi]

I'm gonna go ahead and say something along the lines of Newton- 1114, 27...and 11hehehe:rolleyes:

Hey, anything could happen and I just can't wait to see how it'll all go down.:cool:

[smurfgirl]

I'm gonna go ahead and say something along the lines of Newton- 1114, 27...and 11hehehe:rolleyes:

Hey, anything could happen and I just can't wait to see how it'll all go down.:cool:

We've been on Newton for the past two years... we're kind of hoping that we get to go to Newton again just to continue the pattern.

[Danny McC]

If these are the actual divisiosns that would be pretty cool. I would love to be with a lot of the teams on the Curie list. 217 and 365 stick out in my head for teams I wouldn't be being in a division with. And plus Curie was 816's original division it'd be nice to go back.

[Josh Fox]

I just had one of those literally AHHHH out loud moments from a sudden burst of excitement.:D I can't wait to compete with/against all of these amazing teams or to just be in such good company

[Akash Rastogi]

We've been on Newton for the past two years... we're kind of hoping that we get to go to Newton again just to continue the pattern.

If you guys are on Newton, I will be cheering for 1114, 1124, and 27 all the way:cool:

[thefro526]

Should these be the real divisions, I'd be psyched to be with 71,217,365,968, and 1902. All of those teams fall on my favorite teams list, and who couldn't love an alliance with the possible name of ThunderBacon? I can hear the cheers now, OINK, OINK, CLUCK!!!! lol

[Greg Marra]

The divisions will keep changing as teams trickle in from Week 5 and 6 events and teams finalize their payments. These are neat snapshots, but stay tuned :)

[Uberbots]

This is going to be one :) of an event...
I cant wait for Atlanta. im so excited to actually see the teams i hear so much about on CD actually competing.

I also cant wait for our autonomous to see consistency within a competition (=

its kinda sad though that us and 1114 probably arent going to be in the same division (without serpentine)... personally id love to be with them at some point. Good bot, good drivers, good team. (replace("good", "excellent");)

[Lil' Lavery]

191, 343, and 1319 are't highlighted as a regional champion as they should be.

[Koko Ed]

Any chance you could make another Division list based on last year's formula?

[Greg Marra]

191, 343, and 1319 are't highlighted as a regional champion as they should be.

Did 191 get subbed for 174? They aren't in f2 or 3 (http://www.thebluealliance.net/tbatv/event.php?eventid=143) of FLR.

[Greg Needel]

Did 191 get subbed for 174? They aren't in f2 or 3 (http://www.thebluealliance.net/tbatv/event.php?eventid=143) of FLR.

yup. 191 broke during the first final round




Also: not to make more work for you but do you think you could change the shading of the winners based on picks. Something like Alliance Captains could be green, first Picks yellow, and second picks red, if a sub was there maybe orange.

[Greg Marra]

yup. 191 broke during the first final round




Also: not to make more work for you but do you think you could change the shading of the winners based on picks. Something like Alliance Captains could be green, first Picks yellow, and second picks red, if a sub was there maybe orange.

The order of picking isn't recorded anywhere. FIRST randomized the alliance stations this year, and when people get subbed they stop showing up on the match lists. All of this makes it really tough to algorithmically figure out who did what. If anyone has ideas for specifically how to figure out when a team was subbed or to get the pick order, please let us know! :)

[Jessica Boucher]

Could you toss a temporary link to the division page up here (http://www.thebluealliance.net/tbatv/event.php?eventid=182)? I had a terrible time trying to dig up the page again.

[Koko Ed]

Well the site is a little behind. They list 260 teams and there are 270 now.
Here is how the divisions would look with the new formula.




1 4 5 11
27 25 20 16
33 39 40 45
57 49 48 47
60 65 66 67
75 71 70 68
79 85 86 87
107 100 93 88
108 111 115 120
128 126 122 121
134 135 138 141
159 155 151 148
171 173 175 176
180 179 178 177
190 191 195 201
223 217 207 203
224 226 228 231
237 236 234 233
271 269 254 241
288 291 292 294
312 303 302 296
316 322 326 329
343 341 340 337
357 358 359 365
401 395 384 368
406 418 422 435
462 461 457 440
468 469 476 486
503 501 494 488
509 527 537 547
587 573 555 548
597 599 604 610
701 692 686 677
703 714 716 752
816 812 801 768
830 832 842 858
900 894 876 868
922 932 949 967
1014 987 980 968
1023 1024 1025 1033
1086 1071 1065 1038
1089 1094 1108 1114
1138 1127 1126 1124
1143 1165 1212 1218
1261 1254 1251 1245
1266 1279 1311 1318
1357 1350 1323 1319
1366 1388 1418 1429
1503 1502 1477 1450
1504 1511 1522 1523
1525 1528 1533 1538
1595 1592 1566 1540
1598 1599 1646 1649
1714 1699 1676 1662
1717 1727 1732 1736
1756 1747 1746 1739
1795 1802 1806 1834
1885 1872 1868 1860
1902 1939 1941 1983
2024 2023 2016 1989
2038 2041 2053 2062
2237 2122 2115 2081
2335 2337 2338 2340
2437 2410 2377 2342
2449 2468 2474 2483
2575 2564 2550 2549
2590 2599 2604 2614
2629 2621

[Guy Davidson]

Koko,

Looks like you made a mistake here:

224 226 228 231
237 236 234 233
271 269 254 241

[Tom Bottiglieri]

Added Serpentine sorting

http://www.thebluealliance.net/championship08/divisions.php?mode=serpentine

(There is a link on the page to change from normal to serpentine)

I will work on selective highlighting later.

Still trying to wrap my head around the 4 teams per alliance issue.

Ed, I will run the script to update the database now.

[65_Xero_Huskie]

Added Serpentine sorting

http://www.thebluealliance.net/championship08/divisions.php?mode=serpentine

(There is a link on the page to change from normal to serpentine)

I will work on selective highlighting later.

Still trying to wrap my head around the 4 teams per alliance issue.

Ed, I will run the script to update the database now.

With this it looks like Galileo and Newton are the sides to watch for.

[Tom Bottiglieri]

As of 1:30PM on 3/25/08, 274 teams are registered for the event an in the TBA system.

[Greg Marra]

Could you toss a temporary link to the division page up here (http://www.thebluealliance.net/tbatv/event.php?eventid=182)? I had a terrible time trying to dig up the page again.

I put a link in the sidebar of Match Archives pages. Hope that helps :)

[MikeT]

279 teams now... looks like 118 just got on the list. It's going to be fun checking up on these from time to time. At the start we were on Curie. Now we're on Newton. I'm sure we'll jump around again, but you can't help but speculate the possibilities. Anyone know how many total teams will likely to be in attendance this year? Last year there were 344.

[BornaE]

Something just happened. Some teams are in blue or red filled boxes now

[Tom Bottiglieri]

Something just happened. Some teams are in blue or red filled boxes now
I added highlighting to show which teams have won how many regionals. There is a key on the top of the page.

[Joe Ross]

It says there are 274 teams, but only lists 273.

[smurfgirl]

If you guys are on Newton, I will be cheering for 1114, 1124, and 27 all the way:cool:

Unfortunately, I think 1114 and 1124 are too close in number for us to end up on the same field, no matter which one it is. It's too bad, because it would be awesome to play with (or even against) them.

[Uberbots]

Unfortunately, I think 1114 and 1124 are too close in number for us to end up on the same field, no matter which one it is. It's too bad, because it would be awesome to play with (or even against) them.

With the serpentine algorithm, 1114 and 1124 were actually in the same division earlier.

[Tom Bottiglieri]

It says there are 274 teams, but only lists 273.
I forgot arrays index to 0, and accounted for a ghost team. Fixed it.

The TBA API is set up to refresh its data from FIRST every 10 hours. This is why you've been seeing some lag between this page and the FIRST site.

The old way wasn't fast enough so I set this script to manually invoke an update every hour. But that can change to smaller number if needed.

(The problem is that scraping for data takes a bit of execution time, as well as putting a load on the FIRST server. We don't want to swamp it with requests every 10 seconds)

[Tom Bottiglieri]

Looks like 330 has registered!

[thefro526]

Looks like 330 has registered!

Another Einstein appearance?

[ks_mumupsi]

We just got moved to newton... would be fun to be with 11 again

[bbr4d3r]

When does FIRST announce the official division list? Is it a specific date or time period? Ive looked around but couldnt find the answer sorry if I missed it somewhere.

[=Martin=Taylor=]

So when will the real divisions be announced? Pardon my ignorance.

[Danny McC]

Sometime next week proboably =). Still one more regional.

[dodar]

DUDE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
THE ULTIMATE NEWTON ALLIANCE - 1592, 233, 1625
HECK YA!!!!!!!!!

[Tom Bottiglieri]

I predict whatever division 1114 is in will win it all. Because...

A) 1114 will win on Einstein
B) Whoever is good enough to knock out 1114 will win Einstein

[Danny McC]

And these divisions are due to change. =)

[bigbeezy]

I wonder if we, 1592, will get Curie this year. We have been in a different division each year. ('05-Archimedes, '06-Galileo, '07-Newton)

But mainly I hope we get in the same division as our friends 1625 and 1296 from Colorado. Maybe a return of the Orange Alliance???

[Tom Bottiglieri]

Well everyone, it looks like FIRST has pulled the plug on Championship registration via this update (http://tinyurl.com/2q9j9y). It seems they new venue (GWCC is closed..) can only fit 300 teams!

Looks like the divisions as they stand now are final!

:)

[JB987]

Well everyone, it looks like FIRST has pulled the plug on Championship registration via this update (http://tinyurl.com/2q9j9y). It seems they new venue (GWCC is closed..) can only fit 300 teams!

Looks like the divisions as they stand now are final!

:)

Hey Tom,
This edited link leads to a Youtube page with some dude named Rick Roll singing...and not about the GWCC. Can you try again? And how do you close registration when there is still one more regional?

[Crebb]

I believe he is pulling our leg

[Koko Ed]

Well it is April 1st after all....

[EricH]

Not only is it April 1, but FIRST has announced that they will be in the normal place...

And NYC Regional hasn't run, so six more teams will be there at least.

[AndyB]

I think it would be appreciated by the guys over at 1114 if this could act as a sub for their excel scouting program they put out every year.

Maybe when the divisions are finalized, you could have a page for each and then show the team number, events attended, record at each, etc... just like their program does so its all on one page for easy viewing and sortable.

[zivo123]

first of all there 315 teams now...we have finally joined too! :)

one thing i dont understand...how official are the predictions? are they totally randomized or is there some truth in them?

[ttldomination]

I agree, i think Curie will take it because 1114 is on that division and they are bound to team up with a strong robot.

[EricH]

I agree, i think Curie will take it because 1114 is on that division and they are bound to team up with a strong robot.Depends which algorithm and which division leads off. I was scared on the normal. Then I did the serpentine. I was really scared. 1114 lands in stacked (AKA Newton) with the serpentine!

[Joe Matt]

Hey Tom,
This edited link leads to a Youtube page with some dude named Rick Roll singing...and not about the GWCC. Can you try again? And how do you close registration when there is still one more regional?

YOU GOT RICK-ROLL'D! OH SNAP!

[prettycolors91]

Oh man I'm excited.

Normal algorithm: 27, 67, 503, 330,
Serpentine: 47, 67, 68, 111, 191, 330, 365, 469, 503, 1114..........

:ahh: ..................................:cool:

Either way, we're in newton. w00t.

[EricH]

Oh man I'm excited.

Normal algorithm: 27, 67, 503
Serpentine: 47, 67, 68, 111, 191, 330, 365, 469, 503, 1114..........

:ahh: ..................................:cool:That's what I mean about scared. You missed 11, 16, and 45. And don't forget 254 and 1902.

[David Hoff]

With both the Normal algorithm and the Serpentine algorithm right now 1646 is in the same division as 461, our fellow Purdue team. Now only if we could get the third Purdue team, 1747, in Curie then scouting will be that much easier with our 3 teams working together.

[GaryVoshol]

Now what if FIRST really went radical, and took the first group of 4 teams, and randomly assigned them to divisions. Then 4 more, random again. Rinse and repeat until all assigned.

[Guy Davidson]

Or what if all teams were randomally assigned to divisions, regardless of groupings of four numbers?

[lukevanoort]

How about organizing teams alphabetically by the first letter of their location, then doing a ABCD ABCD or ABCD DCBA algorithm? Not really random, but it would give a pretty good illusion of randomness and not require tons of processing.

[Guy Davidson]

Wow. Division by division obvious highlights (going serpentine):

Newton: 11, 16, 45, 47, 67, 111, 171, 191, 254, 330, 337, 365, 469, 503, 968, 1114, 1902,

Galileo: 20, 40, 48, 70, 108, 118, 175, 195, 294, 359, 368, 987, 1124, 1503, 2337

Curie: 25, 39, 71, 100, 126, 141, 176, 179, 217, 341, 1024, 1126, 1251, 1504, 1717, 2056

Archi: 27, 33 ,75, 79, 102, 103, 121, 148, 233, 234, 343, 357, 386, 494, 1574, 1625, 1629.

Wow. Although it will probably change because of New York, some of these (particularly Newton and Curie) seem incredibly scary.

[Travis Hoffman]

Karthik posted the division list thread last year on 4/4. Champs began 4/12.

Based upon this info, one would predict the official division list will come out next week on Wednesday 4/9.

I do wonder about this "serpentine" method we've seen on TBA. I sorted the 2007 Championship list by team number in Excel, and the following pattern appeared repeatedly:

Archimedes
Curie
Newton
Galileo

Interspersed within this pattern, you'd randomly see teams assigned to divisions in the order "Newton Galileo Archimedes Curie". And down at the bottom of the list, a block of four contiguous 2007 rookie teams was given a divsional assignment that fit no pattern.

So what config will they use this year? Who the heck knows????? :confused:

[ehcualp]

You guys keep making predictions, but you keep forgetting 1477. We won 2 regionals, and our record is 30-1-0. That puts us in the top for the teams that have won 2 regionals, and right behind 1114 and 1024.

[Akash Rastogi]

Wow. Division by division obvious highlights (going serpentine):

Newton: 11, 16, 45, 47, 67, 111, 171, 191, 254, 330, 337, 365, 469, 503, 968, 1114, 1902,

Galileo: 20, 40, 48, 70, 108, 118, 175, 195, 294, 359, 368, 987, 1124, 1503, 2337

Curie: 25, 39, 71, 100, 126, 141, 176, 179, 217, 341, 1024, 1126, 1251, 1504, 1717, 2056

Archi: 27, 33 ,75, 79, 102, 103, 121, 148, 233, 234, 343, 357, 386, 494, 1574, 1625, 1629.

Wow. Although it will probably change because of New York, some of these (particularly Newton and Curie) seem incredibly scary.


That's what I mean about scared. You missed 11, 16, and 45. And don't forget 254 and 1902.

Wow, its so awesome to even be mentioned among such an amazing group of teams. Its truly an honor just getting to know some of them too. Whatever happens in Atlanta, I will always remember this as one of my favorite years in FIRST, and you guys have made that happen along with this year's team.

[waialua359]

Wow. Division by division obvious highlights (going serpentine):

Newton: 11, 16, 45, 47, 67, 111, 171, 191, 254, 330, 337, 365, 469, 503, 968, 1114, 1902,

Galileo: 20, 40, 48, 70, 108, 118, 175, 195, 294, 359, 368, 987, 1124, 1503, 2337

Curie: 25, 39, 71, 100, 126, 141, 176, 179, 217, 341, 1024, 1126, 1251, 1504, 1717, 2056

Archi: 27, 33 ,75, 79, 102, 103, 121, 148, 233, 234, 343, 357, 386, 494, 1574, 1625, 1629.

Wow. Although it will probably change because of New York, some of these (particularly Newton and Curie) seem incredibly scary.

There is very little mention of teams in the 2xxx range. I think 2024 definitely should be in there, especially as a 3rd partner in the alliance.Their tenacious D, ability to still score, place on the rack and strategies/driving will be there. I know that you folks know too. :D :D

[Guy Davidson]

Wow. I definitely forgot about 2024, and 1477 also deserve a mention. The lists grow even longer...

[XaulZan11]

If you include 171 on the list, I think you need to include both 93 and 2062. All three of those teams were very comparable at Wisconsin and all three are regional winners.

[Greg Marra]

You guys keep making predictions, but you keep forgetting 1477. We won 2 regionals, and our record is 30-1-0. That puts us in the top for the teams that have won 2 regionals, and right behind 1114 and 1024.

You're not going to be a second pick steal if you keep talking like that :p

[cziggy343]

right now both predictions have us in the same division as 1114... and i cant decide if it excites me, or scares the crap out of me:eek:

[AndyB]

If you include 171 on the list, I think you need to include both 93 and 2062. All three of those teams were very comparable at Wisconsin and all three are regional winners.

Couldn't agree more. If anything CORE was the best team at Wisconsin.

[rees2001]

It looks like all teams are in and accounted for. So, how will they decide who goes where?

[TD78]

It looks like all teams are in and accounted for. So, how will they decide who goes where?

The FIRST website has 337 teams listed, but the TBA website has 339 teams listed. Odd (no pun intended;) ). But I would think that they would have 340 teams before setting divisions - since that would put 85 teams in each division. Either way, can't wait until they come out!

[cziggy343]

so... late tonight or tomorrow? maybe? i hope so:p

[Joe Ross]

The FIRST website has 337 teams listed, but the TBA website has 339 teams listed. Odd (no pun intended;) ).

TBA has teams 1872 and 2070 listed that are not on FIRST's site. I wonder if they had to drop out?

[Tom Bottiglieri]

The FIRST website has 337 teams listed, but the TBA website has 339 teams listed. Odd (no pun intended;) ). But I would think that they would have 340 teams before setting divisions - since that would put 85 teams in each division. Either way, can't wait until they come out!
Fixed it. The script is set to scrape FIRST every 2 hours. This worked fine before, but teams will be registering at a higher rate now, so I will change it.

[TD78]

Also interesting to note that in the pit map just released, there are 86 pit spots per division (yes, I counted two of them! - haha). So they could be waiting until 344 teams are signed up...

[Tom Bottiglieri]

Also interesting to note that in the pit map just released, there are 86 pit spots per division (yes, I counted two of them! - haha). So they could be waiting until 344 teams are signed up...
You beat me to it. I just counted them all as well.

[Travis Hoffman]

Speaking of the pit map (http://www.usfirst.org/uploadedFiles/Community/FRC/Events/2008/Championship/Championship%20Pit%20Map.pdf)....

It seems we've lost half the space we previously had. Nice and cozy pits indeed.

[Lil' Lavery]

Speaking of the pit map (http://www.usfirst.org/uploadedFiles/Community/FRC/Events/2008/Championship/Championship%20Pit%20Map.pdf)....

It seems we've lost half the space we previously had. Nice and cozy pits indeed.

Seems that way, but we've taken over where the FTC and FLL pits used to be (seems they've moved to a new building). It'll certainly be an interesting fit with a car show next to us.

[ALIBI]

It has to be getting close. Using ABCD, DCBA 1024 and 1114 are both in Galileo. Should be one tough division if it stands. Can not wait until final divisions are anounced.

[MasterChief 573]

I don't want to be in that division, I fear it may self implode!

edit: after carefully looking at all four divisions (using serpentine) I have to say that they look more balanced than ever (despite the fact that 1114 and 1024 are in the same one). Galileo and Curie look epic and Newton and Archimedes look outstanding as well.

[Corey Balint]

Also interesting to note that in the pit map just released, there are 86 pit spots per division (yes, I counted two of them! - haha). So they could be waiting until 344 teams are signed up...

I don't know about that. I have seen empty pit spaces...so that isn't necessarily true.

[TD78]

I don't know about that. I have seen empty pit spaces...so that isn't necessarily true.

Oh, no doubt. There is a possibility they won't fill it to capacity. But you never know.

[Kit Gerhart]

If the current list turns out to be the final one, Team 233 will have been in the same division 8 or 9 consecutive years. The odds of that happening are long indeed.

[GaryVoshol]

They are probably not waiting for a set number of teams to register. Rather, teams on the waiting list have been given a specific time frame in which to reply to the offer to register. They need to wait for that to happen.

And as I recall, didn't they in a past year append a couple of late registrations to the end of the list, after they did the great shuffle assignment?

[Tom Bottiglieri]

I wrote a script that checks to see if divisions have been released and send an email or a text message. I'm too lazy to write a input script, so PM me with your text message email address if you want to be added.

Carrier emails here:
http://www.chiefdelphi.com/forums/textremind.php

format: (10 digit Number)@(carrieremail.com)

[waialua359]

Once the list comes out, is it possible they may still add pending teams with unique circumstances, but NOT change the list order?
This happened back in 2005, I believe, where our Hawaiian teammate friends, 368 was the last team to be added. However, the list already came out and they did not reshuffle the list to fit them in. We were so happy that they were in our division, then got changed last minute to fill up another one since they were 1 short.

I would hate to be in Gallileo right now! That is one stacked division.

[MasterChief 573]

Well the list is up to 341 teams, based on the pit map, only 3 more can be let in. I expect the list will be finalized tomorrow. With that be said, LETS ALL GET READY TOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO SPECULAAAAAATE!!!!!!

[cziggy343]

Well the list is up to 341 teams, based on the pit map, only 3 more can be let in. I expect the list will be finalized tomorrow. With that be said, LETS ALL GET READY TOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO SPECULAAAAAATE!!!!!!

i think most of us are to the point where we are ready:cool:

[hillale]

I've been ready since week 5 got done! Come on! Too bad I'll have to miss our pre-scouting party due to work :(

[MasterChief 573]

i think most of us are to the point where we are ready:cool:

My mistake, I meant to say, WHOSE READY TO SPECULATE ABOUT ACTUAL POSSIBILITIES!!!! You know, instead of things that are totally out there in dream world and very well might not happen.

[cziggy343]

My mistake, I meant to say, WHOSE READY TO SPECULATE ABOUT ACTUAL POSSIBILITIES!!!! You know, instead of things that are totally out there in dream world and very well might not happen.

o, then add me:D even though i just said something errily similar on another thread...

[MasterChief 573]

I had to hit both threads, seeing as how the issue relates to both of them.

[cziggy343]

I had to hit both threads, seeing as how the issue relates to both of them.

but, so far, im the only one to answer you on both. o yeah:cool:

[Protronie]

I've read a lot about 1114 winning over all... and yeah them jocks got a good bot... now if them team with 1024 again I'm sure it will be a clean sweep .
1114 vs 1024...mmm tough battle, tough call. I'm sure both team have been working on new surprises for Big A... both have awesome bots.
So much of this game is going come down to the wire and avoiding penalties.

Either way I'm sure 1114 & 1024 will be cupped up and ready for battle...
my $$$ on 1024 . :cool:

[chaoticprout]

I've read a lot about 1114 winning over all... and yeah them jocks got a good bot... now if them team with 1024 again I'm sure it will be a clean sweep .
1114 vs 1024...mmm tough battle, tough call. I'm sure both team have been working on new surprises for Big A... both have awesome bots.
So much of this game is going come down to the wire and avoiding penalties.

Either way I'm sure 1114 & 1024 will be cupped up and ready for battle...
my $$$ on 1024 . :cool:

While 1024 has an exceptional robot I think their strength is in hybrid, whereas 1114 is the best hurdling machine AND has the best hybrid. There really is no question between the two.

[waialua359]

No ones talking about the defending champs!
They win the world title, then top it off with probably their best season ever, and yet under the radar again...............:eek:
In addition to their great robot, I notice that their driving has been consistently even more impressive, despite an ever present defense on them.
987, ftw!;)

[zivo123]

I have a question-
Are the two predictions on TheBlueAlliance an assumption or is one of these two?

In other words, should i cross references and begin scouting or should i wait for tomorrow?

Thanks.

[Andy Baker]

I have a question-
Are the two predictions on TheBlueAlliance an assumption or is one of these two?
In other words, should i cross references and begin scouting or should i wait for tomorrow?
Thanks.

You should definitely wait. These two are only predictions.

I would love to see FIRST come along with a selection method that would throw all predictions out the window.

A few years ago (2002, 2003?), they made division selections something like this:

a,a,a,a,a, b,b,b,b,b, c,c,c,c,c, d,d,d,d,d

That would throw people for a loop, for sure.

All of this prediction stuff is silly.

AB

[The Lucas]

I have a question-
Are the two predictions on TheBlueAlliance an assumption or is one of these two?

In other words, should i cross references and begin scouting or should i wait for tomorrow?

Thanks.

They are both just guesses. FIRST used the normal algorithm until last year. Last year they basically used the normal algorithm, but they shuffled it a little bit.

Ive noticed no one is really analyzing last years shuffle or talking about possibility of a shuffle this year. We should find out the real divisions soon (I hope the suspense is killing be). Of course it is never too early to start scouting.

EDIT: Did anyone just notice it went back down to 340 teams, Who dropped?

[rees2001]

You should definitely wait. These two are only predictions.

I would love to see FIRST come along with a selection method that would throw all predictions out the window.

A few years ago (2002, 2003?), they made division selections something like this:

a,a,a,a,a, b,b,b,b,b, c,c,c,c,c, d,d,d,d,d

That would throw people for a loop, for sure.

All of this prediction stuff is silly.

AB

'01 was the first year of divisions, so, that must have been '02? I remember it that & we didn't go to Houston in '03.

I would like to see a monkey thrown in everyones' wrenches. Besides I would like to be next to some of the teams we never get to see or be next to.

[Elgin Clock]

EDIT: Did anyone just notice it went back down to 340 teams, Who dropped?

Comparing my list from this morning & just now, Team 692 from Sacramento CA (http://www.sfrobotics.com/)dropped.

[XXShadowXX]

when is the offical divisions announcement made?

[The Lucas]

when is the offical divisions announcement made?

No one here knows, but most people suspect it will be today (8 days before). You can get Tom to automatically text you when it happens.

I wrote a script that checks to see if divisions have been released and send an email or a text message. I'm too lazy to write a input script, so PM me with your text message email address if you want to be added.

Carrier emails here:
http://www.chiefdelphi.com/forums/textremind.php

format: (10 digit Number)@(carrieremail.com)

EDIT: Looks like the Fembots (692) are back. Good thing because they are going for Chairmans. Back up to 341.

[MasterChief 573]

Comparing my list from this morning & just now, Team 692 from Sacramento CA (http://www.sfrobotics.com/)dropped.

I just checked the team list on the first website. Its back to 341 teams and 692 are on the list.

[cziggy343]

I just checked the team list on the first website. Its back to 341 teams and 692 are on the list.

ah the agonizing wait continues...

[XXShadowXX]

gaaahhhh when will they post it

and were so i can check periodical (every 30secons).....

[cziggy343]

gaaahhhh when will they post it

and were so i can check periodical (every 30secons).....

patience, patience. they will be here soon enough... but i would like to know soon:D

[Tom Bottiglieri]

ah the agonizing wait continues...
That's why this guy (http://www.thebluealliance.net/championship08/texter.php) exists.

[987HighRoller]

OFFICIAL Divisions are up.....
https://my.usfirst.org/myarea/index.lasso?page=teamlist&event=CMP&sort=division

[Guy Davidson]

Looks like they're all up. From a first glance, Galileo is pretty stacked, but the rest look very strong too.

[George A.]

dang you beat me to it.

Now we can predict "for real"

[Jetweb]

I see a super-alliance coming out of Galileo:eek:

[Jimmy Cao]

Galileo is LOADED! ^.^

This is going to be fun.

[George A.]

I see a super-alliance coming out of Galileo:eek:

Just remember...none of these "super alliances" are likely to be formed.

How many of the "super" teams will be around for a late 3rd round pick? I'm guessing not many.

An awesome 2 bot tandem is more than likely, but whoever can get the 'steal' of the draft will come out on top.

[EricH]

Looks like they're all up. From a first glance, Galileo is pretty stacked, but the rest look very strong too.You're telling me. 217, 1114, and the ENTIRE L.A. Winning Alliance. Throw about 2 doses of Martians in there with Las Guerillas, Raider Robotix, and Cybersonics and then Divi[de] by Zero. Leaves you with Rhode Warriors, Checkmate, Delphi E.L.I.T.E., Huskie Brigade, Robowranglers, Cyber Blue, and Cheesy Poofs. Just to name a few... (The ones most will recognize...)

At least two teams in the division were on Einstein last year, but left in the semis.

[Jetweb]

Just remember...none of these "super alliances" are likely to be formed.

How many of the "super" teams will be around for a late 3rd round pick? I'm guessing not many.

An awesome 2 bot tandem is more than likely, but whoever can get the 'steal' of the draft will come out on top.

Agreed, but i cant wait to see the finals in this division anyway, some pretty awesome matches could result from so many elite teams in one place.

[MasterChief 573]

Odd, FIRST has a count of 341 teams, but TBA has 342. Add in the fact that the link for viewing the individual lists on the championship page is still unavailable and I'm forced to wonder if these divisions are truly official?

[David Brinza]

Galileo is LOADED! ^.^

This is going to be fun.
Just a few notable teams here:

25, 40, 115, 148, 217, 234, 254, 330, 1114, 1717

It's going to be INTENSE on Galileo!!

[T3_1565]

elims in gallieo are going to be some major major major HIGH SCORING matches, barely any of the teams there will be interested in defense I reckon

[Jetweb]

Odd, FIRST has a count of 341 teams, but TBA has 342. Add in the fact that the link for viewing the individual lists on the championship page is still unavailable and I'm forced to wonder if these divisions are truly official?

if past years methods continue than the remaining 3 teams will be added in to divisions, and no more shuffling will occur.

[The Lucas]

Odd, FIRST has a count of 341 teams, but TBA has 342. Add in the fact that the link for viewing the individual lists on the championship page is still unavailable and I'm forced to wonder if these divisions are truly official?

686 was dropped from the FIRST list, not sure who added. Either way it was a Bovine Intervention (http://www.team686.org/) on the latter half of the list.