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So who here is in the Galileo Division this year? from a glance, this teams to look out for seem to be 25,103,254,and 1114.
Grant Cox
09-04-2008, 14:54
Don't forget 148, 494, 330, 469, and a whole slew of others...
I'm officially scared.
Michelle Celio
09-04-2008, 14:55
So who here is in the Galileo Division this year? from a glance, this teams to look out for seem to be 25,103,254,and 1114.
Oh there's plenty more!
121, 48, 148, 180, 217, 234, 330, 1503
Galileo is STACKED this year
Joe Matt
09-04-2008, 14:57
It's 384's division (for like the past 4 years), and it looks to be much much more intense this year.
217 is in Galileo, and we're definetly pumped. Looks like there will be a lot of tough competition.
woot!
1717, 980 (herder), 65, 70 (You got one set of Martians, how about More Martians?;)), 229...
You should be more than scared now.
Guy Davidson
09-04-2008, 14:58
Ho. Leee. Crap.
Wow this is one stacked division.
While we don't really stack up (pun intended) to the top scorers in offense, Paly Robotics will be bringing a good dosage of our (now improved) west coast Defense to Atlanta.
Can't wait!
Ha, this division will at least be very fun to watch, even if we get trampled every now and then :cool:
Elgin Clock
09-04-2008, 15:08
Can't forget team 40 who was unstoppable in the Northeast this year winning both Boston & New Hampshire Regionals!
Jonathan Norris
09-04-2008, 15:12
Galileo officially scares me, the alliances coming out of Galileo are going to be ridiculous.
Tom Bottiglieri
09-04-2008, 15:13
195 is happy to join the fray!
The Lucas
09-04-2008, 15:26
I have to say it:
Fear the SimChickens
What do you think are the odds of them getting together? Busting out these T-shirts (http://www.chiefdelphi.com/media/photos/30060)?
Could Karthik and Copioli they have planned this all along?
Note: I am just joking around with the planning stuff. Don't start with any 686 dropped out on purpose conspiracy theories.
Kim Masi
09-04-2008, 15:28
wow what a great division. I hope the rookie team I'm helping out this year will be able to learn from some great alliance partners during the qualifiers :)
Rosiebotboss
09-04-2008, 15:31
GALI...
...LEO
65_Xero_Huskie
09-04-2008, 15:31
25,40,70,121,148,217,330,469,494,980,1114,1717...
Just off the bat to name a few.
WOW.
GALILEO
cziggy343
09-04-2008, 15:32
i am officially scared to death... but believe me, we are gonna play our guts out! cant wait to see all of you guys this week!
Team 1629 (GaCo) is in Galileo.
8
25
40
48
65
70
84
88
103
115
121
134
148
168
176
180
195
217
226
234
254
291
302
316
330
343
364
384
399
425
457
469
494
509
548
597
612
694
716
812
839
894
932
980
1023
1038
1089
1114
1138
1212
1254
1296
1319
1366
1390
1450
1503
1523
1540
1576
1595
1629
1676
1717
1739
1758
1816
1885
1983
2023
2046
2062
2165
2237
2340
2354
2423
2437
2468
2487
2549
2564
2599
2621
2638
Warren Boudreau
09-04-2008, 15:53
This is going to be a blast.
SPAM is looking forward to the fun.
cziggy343
09-04-2008, 15:54
whoop whoop! im ready!! nobody has mentioned us yet... were gonna be there, and we will be ready!:cool:
Tom Bottiglieri
09-04-2008, 16:19
I still cannot believe how stacked this division is..
Newton 06 repeat?
Pat Arnold
09-04-2008, 16:27
MARS is thrilled (& afraid ... very afraid) to be on Galileo. All top contenders will be watched closely and robot alien autopsies are planned. Your secrets will be ours next year!
wow i can't wait to get down there, from the looks of it every match will be incredibly exciting. I'm ready to play with the bestand so is 1629 go GaCo
chaoticprout
09-04-2008, 16:32
Holy moly...most stacked division I've seen in a long time, I can't wait/pray that 1138 plays against some of the great teams we haven't had the chance of playing yet. Amazing.
Graham Donaldson
09-04-2008, 17:05
1676 reporting for duty! Probably not going to be in the top 8, judging by the AWE-INSPIRING contenders in Galileo, but we'll do our darndest!
rsilverstein
09-04-2008, 17:40
My guess is that 1114 doesn't get #1 seed in Galileo. With a strong field but a high standard deviation (check the OPR thread), the odds that Simbotics are stacked against 2 good robots and paired with some maybe not as good are higher.
With so many good robots it's going to come down to a lot of luck with qualification matches.
On that note, even if they aren't #1 seed they'll probably get picked first anyway.
This division is really stacked. I want to see how this plays out.
Brad Voracek
09-04-2008, 18:08
Oh boy! this will be an interesting division, I can't wait to see how it plays out.
I hope we just manage a good showing in the qualifiers after seeing how many amazing teams there are...!
See you all there.
David Brinza
09-04-2008, 18:09
Galileo reminds me of IRI - it's absolutely loaded with top FRC teams.
We'll be lucky to survive!
rsilverstein
09-04-2008, 18:19
Nobody has mentioned 1540 Flaming Chickens
Oregon Winner (1st Seed)
Las Vegas Semifinalist (3rd Seed)
And again the list goes on of great teams in Galileo
nuggetsyl
09-04-2008, 19:18
I have not done the math but i am willing to bet that this division has more regional wins the any other 2 divisions combined.
894 is in this division! Rock On!
I have not done the math but i am willing to bet that this division has more regional wins the any other 2 divisions combined.1114: 3
330: 1
1717: 2
980: 1 (The above three won L.A. together.)
25: 1
254: 2
103: 1
1540: 1
217: 2
148:1?
Those are the ones I can think of--total for now is: 15. Add more, quick! (And correct me if I'm wrong, of course.)
40 :2
121 :1
134: 1
*40, 121 and 134 were the winning alliance at BAE
BandChick
09-04-2008, 19:51
I'm scared and excited all at the same time!
1089 can't wait to join this group of teams!
Vikesrock
09-04-2008, 19:53
84: 1
343:1
EDIT: On second thought, here's the list
25: 1
40: 2
84: 1
103: 1
115: 2
121: 1
148: 1
217: 2
254: 2
330: 1
343: 1
469: 1
716: 1
980: 1
1114: 3
1296: 1
1319: 1
1540: 1
1576: 1
1717: 2
1758: 1
1983: 1
2046: 1
2062: 1
2165: 1
2354: 1
2487: 1
2549: 1
Total of 35 wins
Archimedes: 25
Curie: 24
Newton: 33
If my math is right there are 29-30 Regional Winners. Among those there are two time winners (40, 115, 217, 254, 1717) and a three time winner (1114). That makes for a total of 36 wins. This is really exciting! I doubt there will be a dull match. I can't wait to see what happens! :D
flyingcrayons
09-04-2008, 20:06
oh my god. I am scared. Hopefully team 1089 can make the most of some good alliance partners we are sure to have.
Newton Division has 33 regional wins. thats only 2 behind Galileo. I expect a shootout in Newton as well as galileo!
good luck to all teams!!
Tottanka
09-04-2008, 20:10
I have not done the math but i am willing to bet that this division has more regional wins the any other 2 divisions combined.
You should probably think about seeing how many Alliance winners as alliance head there are in this division.
Now here, i can bet that it will be more then others, by far.
EDIT:
imagine this match in QM:
1114,217,40 vs 330, 103,254
(sorry 115 and 1717 :P)
who takes it?
nuggetsyl
09-04-2008, 20:12
You should probably think about seeing how many Alliance winners as alliance head there are in this division.
Now here, i can bet that it will be more then others, by far.
I though there was more multi regional winners in our division.
Vikesrock
09-04-2008, 20:14
You should probably think about seeing how many Alliance winners as alliance head there are in this division.
Now here, i can bet that it will be more then others, by far.
EDIT:
imagine this match in QM:
1114,217,40 vs 330, 103,254
(sorry 115 and 1717 :P)
who takes it?
Wins as Alliance Captains by divisions:
Galileo: 11
Archimedes: 8
Curie: 7
Newton: 15
Multiple Regional Winners by Division:
Archimedes: 1
Curie: 1
Galileo: 6
Newton: 6
Tottanka
09-04-2008, 20:17
Wins as Alliance Captains by divisions:
Galileo: 11
Archimedes: 8
Curie: 7
Newton: 15
WOW.
i suck.
well, Einstein's gonna be fun =]
Mike Harrison
09-04-2008, 21:44
I am at a complete and total loss for words.... this is soooooooo amazing stacked! :ahh: This totally deserves another crazy face! :ahh: Ok... there will be more crazy faces later... Oh and I'm calling it now, somewhere in qualifiers the 200 point mark will be broken. :D
cziggy343
09-04-2008, 21:53
somewhere in qualifiers the 200 point mark will be broken. :D
dude... thats bold:ahh: (theres my edition to the crazy faces)
115inventorsam
09-04-2008, 21:58
imagine this match in QM:
1114,217,40 vs 330, 103,254
(sorry 115 and 1717 :P)
who takes it?
I would say 1114, 217, 40 in a close one. All of them are good teams, but I still think 1114 tops them all.
And no need to apologize for not including us, everyone should know that our robot isn't exactly one to expect to win two regionals. I don't think there's a team this year that is as lucky as we are. So if you're looking for some luck in the eliminations, maybe you should consider picking us:rolleyes:. Just kidding on that(maybe).
I'm just excited to be going to Atlanta. 115 is going to Championships for the first time since 2003, so none of the current students have ever been there. And I'm excited and scared like others about being in such a stacked division. This will be fun to watch for sure.
nuggetsyl
09-04-2008, 22:05
We used the algorithm to see what kind of matches we were in for(I know it can vary). And i noticed something in all 3 different algorithms We rarely ever went against a high number team. Most of the time it was 1500 or lower???? Any one know why? Also in the 3rd set look for match 58 you will get a kick out of that.
3: 148 25 70 121 1023 254
18: 302 234 25 316 168 217
31: 457 176 384 226 40 25
44: 88 84 364 103 48 25
57: 1983 2046 226 2638 2340 25
73: 134 88 25 115 343 65
88: 425 25 168 8 180 716
1: 25 115 812 40 343 1319
16: 84 597 25 115 103 70
29: 1576 25 180 1816 84 8
49: 425 1089 399 25 839 694
62: 932 469 302 134 226 25
74: 65 226 254 48 168 25
86: 217 148 291 25 176 65
2: 115 88 168 1254 25 148
15: 8 48 597 2423 25 234
29: 2165 25 65 2437 180 176
44: 25 48 195 84 812 217
58: 217 25 121 65 254 364
75: 226 612 1023 25 316 384
89: 176 25 70 457 469 1114
Few More Historical Stats
Past World Champions-8
25(2000), 48 (1999), 65 (2003), 148 (1993), 176 (1999), 217 (2006), 330 (2005) 469 (2003), 494 (2004)
Past World Finalists-9
25 (2003, 2006), 84 (1999), 121 (1998), 180 (2002), 195 (2006), 254 (2001, 2005), 343 (2003), 469 (2004), 494 (2003)
More division winners than I have time to count tonight.
2 Hall of Fame teams
254 (2004), 103 (2003)
This is easily the toughest division I have ever been a part of, is this the year that history changes, 254 or 1114 breaks their streak of bad luck? Are one of our 8 previous winners going to get a second victory? Can 1114 seed number 1? Will they pick 217? Where do 25, 40, 121, 254, 330, 469, 494/70, and 1717 fit in? And most importantly for whatever insane alliance comes out of this division, IS THIS THE YEAR GALILEO FINALLY GETS TO TASTE A CHAMPIONSHIP?
Count me gidy with excitement.
Jimmy Cao
09-04-2008, 22:09
I can't wait for this! So many good teams around... qualifications will be intense, elims will be even better ^.^
Personally, I foresee the "blocking" strategy being used again to tear apart the top teams. All 8 alliances will be one really great hurdling machine, one good hurdling machine, and a good lapbot/moderate hurdler/defense bot.
However it turns out, I'm SURE it would be a blast!
65_Xero_Huskie
09-04-2008, 22:32
Ok ok, we know all of the unimportant stuff now.
Now for the most important part of the division....
WHOS GONNA BE THE MC???
Grant Cox
09-04-2008, 22:35
Ok ok, we know all of the unimportant stuff now.
Now for the most important part of the division....
WHOS GONNA BE THE MC???
Or even more importantly, who's the head ref?
Bcliff358
09-04-2008, 22:36
LOL... this division will for sure be fun to watch. I just can't believe how many top tier robots are in Galileo. It blows my mind
BandChick
09-04-2008, 22:39
Or even more importantly, who's the head ref?
Can I apologize to them now for the anticipated blood-bath-to-come?
Grant Cox
09-04-2008, 22:49
Can I apologize to them now for the anticipated blood-bath-to-come?
My thoughts exactly..
*waves hi at good, good friends Frank Kusiak and Ron Webb, with whom I spent much time in the question boxes this year*
Tom Bottiglieri
10-04-2008, 00:04
Few More Historical Stats
Past World Champions-8
25(2000), 48 (1999), 65 (2003), 148 (1993), 176 (1999), 217 (2006), 330 (2005) 469 (2003), 494 (2004)
Past World Finalists-7
25 (2003, 2005), 84 (1999) 180 (2002), 254 (2001, 2005), 343 (2003), 469 (2004), 494 (2003)
More division winners than I have time to count tonight.
2 Hall of Fame teams
254 (2004), 103 (2003)
This is easily the toughest division I have ever been a part of, is this the year that history changes, 254 or 1114 breaks their streak of bad luck? Are one of our 8 previous winners going to get a second victory? Can 1114 seed number 1? Will they pick 217? Where do 25, 40, 121, 254, 330, 469, 494/70, and 1717 fit in? And most importantly for whatever insane alliance comes out of this division, IS THIS THE YEAR GALILEO FINALLY GETS TO TASTE A CHAMPIONSHIP?
Count me gidy with excitement.
195 was a world finalist in 2006.
Few More Historical Stats
Past World Champions-8
25(2000), 48 (1999), 65 (2003), 148 (1993), 176 (1999), 217 (2006), 330 (2005) 469 (2003), 494 (2004)
Past World Finalists-7
25 (2003, 2005), 84 (1999) 180 (2002), 254 (2001, 2005), 343 (2003), 469 (2004), 494 (2003)
More division winners than I have time to count tonight.
2 Hall of Fame teams
254 (2004), 103 (2003)
25 was World Finalist in 2006, not 2005.
I'm soooo excited, it is going to be INTENSE. And I can't wait to do the WAVE with 399!!
James Mullenax
10-04-2008, 01:43
Looking over this thread
I just want to cry... dont know if its because I'm scared or because im so excited to be a part of it...
hahaha LETS GO GaCo(1629)
We are going to give it our all and hopefully all teams do the same!
GOOD LUCK EVERYONE!!!!!!!!!!!
Valley Raider
10-04-2008, 02:10
Can you say Dream Team!
254, 330 and 1114.
I think by far and away the best team combo out there. I think your going to need three hurdlers, that way if a bot goes down your still in the match, you just can't make up the difference making laps.
Other great combos?
Can you say Dream Team!
254, 330 and 1114.
I think by far and away the best team combo out there. I think your going to need three hurdlers, that way if a bot goes down your still in the match, you just can't make up the difference making laps.
Other great combos?Odds of any of the three being left for the second round of selection? Nil. That's why it's a dream team.
Standard dream team: 1114/*insert your team here*/any hurdler. You hope that'll happen. Or, 1114/hurdler/other robot that complements them, hurdler or no.
Rich Kressly
10-04-2008, 03:37
Anyone else wanna see two more balls on the field in this division?
Tottanka
10-04-2008, 07:47
Can you say Dream Team!
254, 330 and 1114.
any of the following teams instead of any of the named above, but 1114, still makes an equally awesome alliance.
217
25
103
39
40
1717
and a few more i'm forgetting here =]
nuggetsyl
10-04-2008, 07:59
I know everyone wants to dance with 1114. But with such a deep field does seeding number one give a disadvantage? I am thinking being in the 5 or 6 spot is the best.
Tottanka
10-04-2008, 08:04
I know everyone wants to dance with 1114. But with such a deep field does seeding number one give a disadvantage? I am thinking being in the 5 or 6 spot is the best.
Depends on your goal. Some teams will get disappointed if they don't play in the finals.
Steve Wherry
10-04-2008, 08:20
I think hybrid mode and the ability of the alliance to be able to cross lines without obstructing your partner's track will be huge. I can easily see alliances putting up 50-60 points in autonomous. If the robots in an alliance cannot avoid one another, then this number could be decreased immensely. Alliances that have RoboCoaches stearing the robot during hybrid could benefit immensely.
If you can outscore your opponents by 30 points in autonomous, that will put a lot of pressure on your opponents...especially in such a competitive division.
Tom Bottiglieri
10-04-2008, 08:25
http://www.thebluealliance.net/tbatv/event.php?eventid=184
Mike Copioli
10-04-2008, 08:48
GALI...
..LEO
Brandon Holley
10-04-2008, 09:04
I am proud to say that I will in fact be making it to my 7th straight championship event...not with team 125, nor team 11...but with one of 125's rookie teams, this year they won rookie all-star in boston, and needed some engineering support, so I will be repping the 2423 down in atlanta...go KwarQs!
Brad Voracek
10-04-2008, 09:20
I'm soooo excited, it is going to be INTENSE. And I can't wait to do the WAVE with 399!!
You know it! Lets make our quarter of the dome the loudest!
brentmcjunkin
10-04-2008, 10:32
343 is there and i am SIKED I cant wait another week cant wait to start playing
Joe Ross
10-04-2008, 13:09
There are 7 regional champions (captain and first pick) that played together. That's more then double any other division. Should make alliance selections interesting.
LA: 330, 1717
BAE: 121, 40
NJ: 103, 25
St Louis: 148, 217
Detroit: 469, 217
Peachtree: 1319, 343
Seattle: 1983, 2046
In addition, the entire LA and BAE alliances are together.
cziggy343
10-04-2008, 13:12
There are 7 regional champions (captain and first pick) that played together. That's more then double any other division. Should make alliance selections interesting.
LA: 330, 1717
BAE: 121, 40
NJ: 103, 25
St Louis: 148, 217
Detroit: 469, 217
Peachtree: 1319, 343
Seattle: 1983, 2046
In addition, the entire LA and BAE alliances are together.
should be lots of fun! im ready for this!
i would like to know what the scouters here are looking for. i know that the main thing i am looking for is a defensive robot, b/c the hurdlers are usually easy to spot out. just trying to find other's opinions:D
EDIT: whoop whoop! 343rd post!!
Jeff Waegelin
10-04-2008, 13:23
I got the teamlist in an email (which I read on my phone) yesterday, and I did a double-take. I didn't think it was real, because the teamlist just seemed too good to be true. I can't wait!
Guy Davidson
10-04-2008, 13:40
i would like to know what the scouters here are looking for. i know that the main thing i am looking for is a defensive robot, b/c the hurdlers are usually easy to spot out. just trying to find other's opinions:D
We'll be coming in playing D, so our scouts will be trying to figure out how we stop the unstoppable forces that are present in Gali, and figuring out who we work with well. If we somehow end up in a picking position, we'll probably look for reliable hurdlers with a good hybrid mode.
Coach Norm
10-04-2008, 13:51
Team 2468 is a Rookie team and we excited about our trip. We are representing the LSR as the Rookie All Star. We are trying to figure all this out. It is going to be fun to see such a high level of competition in all divisions but this one is going to be great what I am reading.
We are in the process of trying to figure out how to scout and what we need to do at Championships.
We hope we can hold our own with our autonomous and ball handling speed bot.
brentmcjunkin
10-04-2008, 14:57
Can you say Dream Team!
254, 330 and 1114.
I think by far and away the best team combo out there. I think your going to need three hurdlers, that way if a bot goes down your still in the match, you just can't make up the difference making laps.
Other great combos?
Hurdlers are gonna go quick in alliance selections so the really good hurdlers will go first and the works some of the hurdlers will be picked second
Steve Wherry
10-04-2008, 15:07
It will be interesting to see how strictly penalties are called at Nationals; At the Boilermaker Regional, penalty flags were flying out of control so defense could not even be considered. At the West Michigan Regional, physical played was allowed, and defensive robots were cutting hurlers off in the turns and fighting over the balls. It made for great play and less predictable outcomes.
Hopefully the refereeing is consistent on all five fields (and I expect it to be). I would hate to see a physical team and alliance win a division and then get penalized continuously on Einstein.
midway78224
10-04-2008, 15:17
WOW!!!! what a division i cant wait to compete with some of the greats this yr. we hope to bring a strong defense like we did to the florida regional where we ended up 12th there. can wait to see 1114,330,217, and the many awesome robots of this yr. good luck to all and see u there.
waialua359
10-04-2008, 15:18
Just put the most relaxed refereeing division refs on Einstein.:P
brentmcjunkin
10-04-2008, 15:20
the refs are gonna be the best and the most trained i would think so yeh
it will be even better calls
BandChick
10-04-2008, 16:21
It will be interesting to see how strictly penalties are called at Nationals; At the Boilermaker Regional, penalty flags were flying out of control so defense could not even be considered. At the West Michigan Regional, physical played was allowed, and defensive robots were cutting hurlers off in the turns and fighting over the balls. It made for great play and less predictable outcomes.
Hopefully the refereeing is consistent on all five fields (and I expect it to be). I would hate to see a physical team and alliance win a division and then get penalized continuously on Einstein.
From what I've seen, penalties and reffing in general have become more consistent the longer we got into regionals. I don't know whether that's because we had refs who volunteered at multiple regionals, or everyone just got their acts together, but I think we definitely should have a great ref staff in Atlanta.
I always say, as does my dad, that I don't care if there are poor calls made, as long as those calls are consistent all weekend. If I know a bump is going to get me a penalty on Thursday afternoon, then at least I know what to expect Friday and Saturday. =)
Tetraman
10-04-2008, 17:12
Not only the most competitive division, but probably the most competitive competition of the year. There are a ton of unknown factors here and picking for alliances will be the most thought intensive ever.
cziggy343
10-04-2008, 17:16
Not only the most competitive division, but probably the most competitive competition of the year. There are a ton of unknown factors here and picking for alliances will be the most thought intensive ever.
horray for scouting!!:D
Galileo officially scares me, the alliances coming out of Galileo are going to be ridiculous.
:eek: No kidding! The other divisions are gonna have a really tough time trying to beat whatever alliance comes off this field.
cziggy343
10-04-2008, 17:19
:eek: No kidding! The other divisions are gonna have a really tough time trying to beat whatever alliance comes off this field.
assuming two of the top teams get together... a lot can happen in qualifications
You know it! Lets make our quarter of the dome the loudest!
For sure!! (We're getting thunder sticks!)
cziggy343
10-04-2008, 17:27
For sure!! (We're getting thunder sticks!)
swweeettt!!:cool: i want it to be really loud down there:D
assuming two of the top teams get together... a lot can happen in qualifications
:eek: No kidding! The other divisions are gonna have a really tough time trying to beat whatever alliance comes off this field.
And you can't forget that the other divisions can have two of their top teams allied together, and any alliance like that can match any divisional alliance unless something happens leaving one of the "big" teams for second round for one of the super alliances.
Oh boy! We are so ready for this!!!! This is going to be an awesome division to play in.
I plan on having a black book of secrets that contains tailored strategies to work with and against most teams in Galileo. If you're nice, maybe you can view it ;). After further analysis of the 84 teams' statistics today, I know for certain that the recon I do this weekend will be anything but dull.
DonRotolo
10-04-2008, 20:22
You should be more than scared now.
Galileo officially scares me, the alliances coming out of Galileo are going to be ridiculous.
MARS is thrilled (& afraid ... very afraid) to be on Galileo.
My guess is that 1114 doesn't get #1 seed in Galileo.That must be only because you've never seen them in person.And you can't forget that the other divisions can have two of their top teams allied together, and any alliance like that can match any divisional alliance unless something happens leaving one of the "big" teams for second round for one of the super alliances. Again, you haven't seen 1114.
I
Am
Scared
Is it too late to stay home??
:D Don
Again, you haven't seen 1114.
I
Am
Scared
Is it too late to stay home??
:D Don
LOL agreed, 1114 is scary in person!!
Elims in Galileo are going to be crazy INSANE!!! probably the best FIRST matches I have ever seen in my life!!!
I can't wait, and I'm not even going to be there lol!! good luck to all teams, especially all the teams I met this year at Waterloo and Toronto!!!
1114 may not seed first. I'll say it myself. It's all a luck of the draw in ATL depending on YOUR alliance partners and the ones you play against. Who knows, you could have to play several very difficult matches, in which you loose, and it lowers your rank. However, good scouting will see past the actual rank of teams.
ttldomination
10-04-2008, 21:25
IT"S OVER GALILEO IS GONNA TAKE IT.
If 1114 is gonna team up with 217 then Galileo will definitley take the champsionships...
Our team's in archimedes and i'm easily admitting that...
Man, the teams in this division make me REALLY wish that I could make it down to Atlanta this year.
Stupid college, always getting in the way...
cziggy343
10-04-2008, 22:35
IT"S OVER GALILEO IS GONNA TAKE IT.
If 1114 is gonna team up with 217 then Galileo will definitley take the champsionships...
Our team's in archimedes and i'm easily admitting that...
remember... it was "over" last year when the divisions were out... everyone said that Curie was gonna take it w/ 1114 and 330, that never happend. im not saying Galileo wont win, but i wouldnt be guarenteeing it;)
RoboMadi
10-04-2008, 22:37
Galileo is going to be a non-stop (eye-popping-jaw-dropping) party, and WE are glad to be a part of it!
-Imad
cziggy343
10-04-2008, 22:42
Galileo is going to be a non-stop (eye-popping-jaw-dropping) party, and WE are glad to be a part of it!
-Imad
yeah... i have a feeling when we get the match schedules on thursday... we will find that there will not be very many dull matches:cool: keeps all of us very entertained, and very focused. everyone (yes, including 1114:eek:) will have to be on thier game to stay alive in this division.
Andy Grady
10-04-2008, 23:17
remember... it was "over" last year when the divisions were out... everyone said that Curie was gonna take it w/ 1114 and 330, that never happend. im not saying Galileo wont win, but i wouldnt be guarenteeing it;)
Bingo!
I mean, you have to agree that 1114 is definately a big favorite going into this thing, but even they would have to shudder a little bit if they were looking across the field at a combination of 71 and 365 or 1124, or maybe a 175 and 39 or 233...and heck, in order to do that, they have to make it out of one of the most stacked divisions in championship history. I would think that teams such as 103, 121, 40, and 254, only to name a few, would have alot to say about what goes on in the eliminations in just the division alone. There are quite a few interesting combinations out there which could make for the most exciting Einstien playoffs in recent memory. Anything can and will happen in Atlanta...thats why they play the games my friends. Either way, Galileo will be alot of fun to watch.
Guy Davidson
10-04-2008, 23:19
Andy, I agree with you. While 1114 has to be the favorite, I wouldn't bet on them, or anyone. Simply too much can happen with the match shcedules and alliance selections.
The eliminations in each division will be great, but I have a feeling that due to the massive firepower and talent present in Gali, we will have the most exciting tourney.
waialua359
10-04-2008, 23:33
Galileo vs Newton in the finals! Now, lets debate who has the better chance of winning.:D
Andy, I agree with you. While 1114 has to be the favorite, I wouldn't bet on them, or anyone. Simply too much can happen with the match shcedules and alliance selections.I agree. Last year, if you guys remember, 1114 and 330 were the two highest-ranked robots in FIRST by the CD community. Both were in Curie. 1114 lost one match, which dropped them down quite a bit in rankings on the field. 330 was second. A lot of people were afraid of what would happen if they got together. The first seed dealt with that situation--1114 declined, as did 330. #1 seed proceeded to beat 1114 in the semis. 330 then beat the #1 alliance and went to Einstein.
Oh, and in the one match that 1114, 330, and the eventual #1 seed were together--they had a battle of it.
Anything can happen.
Galileo is quite possibly the most stacked division ever.
It is our first time in Galileo and we are definitely excited.
Galileo vs Newton in the finals! Now, lets debate who has the better chance of winning.:D
GALI...
:D
Brad Voracek
11-04-2008, 00:07
GALI...
...LEO!
AustinDpOwers89
11-04-2008, 03:22
Hey, don't count out 2046... dang Galileo is STACKED... i'm just hoping we get picked for elims on the 2nd round... it'd be nice to end up on the 1st or 2nd ranked alliance ;) but yeah, i doubt they're be a dull moment in this division.
Paul Copioli
11-04-2008, 07:21
This is definitely the most competitive division I remember being a part of since I started in 2000 (although there were no divisions in 2000, but I digress).
History is not on our side in Galileo for a couple of reasons:
1. The winning alliance from Galileo has NEVER won the Championship.
2. Stacked divisions usually beat the heck out of each other leaving a cluster of uncertainty in the top 8. 2005 Archimedes, 2006 Newton (I think .. wherever 25, 111, 254, 968, etc. came from), and 2007 Curie are the examples that pop to my head. The "weaker" divisions with a couple dominant teams usually have a better chance on Einstein.
With that said, I think there are just too many darn good teams in Galileo that two great teams will be paired together and the second round selection will be out of this world!
I also think defense will play a more prominent role and separate the contenders from the pretenders. I will also predict that there will be at least one 2 regional winner that is not going to be in the Galileo Finals, maybe more because that is how stacked this division is.
I, personally, am very excited for this year's Championship and can't wait to see everyone starting next Wednesday.
-Paul
cziggy343
11-04-2008, 08:07
this is definently the most stacked division i have ever seen (even though i started in 2000 also, before divisions). we were on Curie last year, and i still dont think 07 Curie was more stacked than 08 Gali!
fasten your seatbelts ladies and gentlemen... this is gonna be a fun ride:cool:
65_Xero_Huskie
11-04-2008, 08:48
This is just me but.....
I want to go out on a limb and say that 217 AND 1114 will be lower than 2nd seed.
Which means that depending on what 1st and 2nd seed are/and what they do.
It will be in for some intense matches :)
cziggy343
11-04-2008, 08:50
This is just me but.....
I want to go out on a limb and say that 217 AND 1114 will be lower than 2nd seed.
Which means that depending on what 1st and 2nd seed are/and what they do.
It will be in for some intense matches :)
i would agree with that completly:D and i really dont think its too far out on a limb either
ttldomination
11-04-2008, 08:54
This is just me but.....
I want to go out on a limb and say that 217 AND 1114 will be lower than 2nd seed.
Which means that depending on what 1st and 2nd seed are/and what they do.
It will be in for some intense matches :)
Hey, but a brother can dream...:D
But I agree Galileo is too stacked for its own good.
Paul Copioli
11-04-2008, 09:08
Wow that is really going out on a limb seeing as we have never seeded higher than #2 at any event. We have only seeded #2 one time and never higher than #8 at the Championships ....
Way to go out on a limb Huskie!
With the number of robots that could potentially carry their qualifying alliances here, and just seven matches per team, I predict that the top seeds in Galileo will be determined by ranking scores.
How well the hurdlers can handle the defense (or how the refs call it...) will be the deciding factor in eliminations, and I'll be surprised if 84 doesn't get picked early in the second round to counter the likes of 1114, etc..
nuggetsyl
11-04-2008, 09:31
In this division there are 14 teams that could easily seed 1 or 2. Looking at the this field, I still think the 5 and 6 seeded teams have the biggest advantage.
Barry Bonzack
11-04-2008, 09:33
Turns out all three of my teams are going to be in Atlanta this year (as well as my FTC team)
2165 from Bartlesville Oklahoma will be in Galileo, as will 1390 from Saint Cloud Florida. 1902 is being difficult and went over to Archimedes.
Also, go FLL 2927, the Saint Cloud Stomcats! (http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/space/orl-orobots1308mar13,0,25325.story)
Gali-
cziggy343
11-04-2008, 09:35
In this division there are 14 teams that could easily seed 1 or 2. Looking at the this field, I still think the 5 and 6 seeded teams have the biggest advantage.
i might even go as far as to say that if one of the "better" teams drop down to 7 or 8 that they have an advantage. good scouting will make or break for the top 8. if they can get good scouting, they have a chance.
JaneYoung
11-04-2008, 09:36
1902 is being difficult and went over the Archimedes.
They're pigs, Barry, pigs. And they can fly...
brentmcjunkin
11-04-2008, 09:36
this is the most STACKED divisionin the nationals
jasper.s.jacobs
11-04-2008, 09:44
everyone not in Galileo should consider themselves very lucky
cziggy343
11-04-2008, 09:47
everyone not in Galileo should consider themselves very lucky
or unlucky that they dont get to see all the great action!:cool:
...LEO
brentmcjunkin
11-04-2008, 09:48
I will agree with both of you
Brandon Holley
11-04-2008, 09:53
Watching the qualifications of galileo is going to be one of the best fridays of my FIRST career....i am looking very forward to it.
brentmcjunkin
11-04-2008, 09:55
This is gonna be intence to watch our robot in gali. Gali Robots are gonna be the hardest worked robots just because they have to keep up with the compition
IF (and its a reasonably big if) 1114, 217, 254, 330, and probably a few more end up out of the #1 position, it could make things awful interesting with forced declining (less good team forces all the best teams to decline them, thereby preventing the best teams from being together)...
cziggy343
11-04-2008, 10:56
IF (and its a reasonably big if) 1114, 217, 254, 330, and probably a few more end up out of the #1 position, it could make things awful interesting with forced declining (less good team forces all the best teams to decline them, thereby preventing the best teams from being together)...
thats why i dont predict whos gonna pair up in the end:D
it happend last year on Curie, 1732 was number one seed and crashed the 330/1114 express...
Guy Davidson
11-04-2008, 13:03
2. Stacked divisions usually beat the heck out of each other leaving a cluster of uncertainty in the top 8. 2005 Archimedes, 2006 Newton (I think .. wherever 25, 111, 254, 968, etc. came from), and 2007 Curie are the examples that pop to my head. The "weaker" divisions with a couple dominant teams usually have a better chance on Einstein.
With that said, I think there are just too many darn good teams in Galileo that two great teams will be paired together and the second round selection will be out of this world!
I also think defense will play a more prominent role and separate the contenders from the pretenders. I will also predict that there will be at least one 2 regional winner that is not going to be in the Galileo Finals, maybe more because that is how stacked this division is.
I, personally, am very excited for this year's Championship and can't wait to see everyone starting next Wednesday.
-Paul
I agree on all counts. With a division this deep, scouting and second round picking could be what really separates the the eventual winning alliance from the rest, as there are certainly enough capble teams to fill all alliances. We hope to bring some quality defense to his division, and can't wait to see what everyone else have hidden up their sleeves for this one. This is going to be epic.
GaryVoshol
11-04-2008, 13:45
Stacked divisions usually beat the heck out of each other leaving a cluster of uncertainty in the top 8. I agree with that, but will expand on it. Galileo looks so stacked that, even after they're done mauling each other, some great alliances will be formed. They'll beat on each other again through elims. And then maybe the winning but wounded alliance will go down in flames on Einstein. But this group might just be so stacked that, despite the abuse of surviving the Gal elims, the alliance goes on to take it all.
I, personally, am very excited for this year's Championship and can't wait to see everyone starting next Wednesday.
-PaulThat I agree with completely.
SWAT1806
11-04-2008, 14:32
1114, 217
I'm scareddddddddd!
cziggy343
11-04-2008, 14:38
1114, 217
I'm scareddddddddd!
and 25, 148, 121, 40, 234, 254, 384, 469, 494, 1717...
now you should be really scared;)
65_Xero_Huskie
11-04-2008, 14:56
Wow that is really going out on a limb seeing as we have never seeded higher than #2 at any event. We have only seeded #2 one time and never higher than #8 at the Championships ....
Way to go out on a limb Huskie!
Heh. Paul, u sneaky devil you.
Showin me up. :P
Its ok, im pretty sure you will be in the finals.
This field is to deep to guarantee that ANYONE will be in the top 2.
Its also so deep that i cant guarantee anyone will NOT be in the top 2 :P
So..maybe i should just wait and see?
:)
David Brinza
11-04-2008, 15:06
I will also predict that there will be at least one 2 regional winner that is not going to be in the Galileo Finals, maybe more because that is how stacked this division is.
I, personally, am very excited for this year's Championship and can't wait to see everyone starting next Wednesday.
-PaulI agree that the struggle to win this division will take a heavy toll on the teams moving onto Einstein. Given that there are 5 two regional winners and a three regional winner in Galileo, I think it's a pretty safe bet that at least one of those teams won't be in the matches for the robot parade to Einstein. Play cards, Paul?;)
I'm really excited about Galileo too. Although I'm a little disappointed that I won't see much of Team 16 in Atlanta (my youngest son is their robot driver and is having one heck of a good year behind the wheel). Maybe they'll find their way to Einstein coming out of Curie.
Martinez
11-04-2008, 15:10
Man this is going to be awsome...
Even though I'll be stuck at work, I'll be glued to my NASA TV.
(Here's hoping next year LM gives me a per diem).
:D
GO CHUCK
Man this is going to be awsome...
Even though I'll be stuck at work, I'll be glued to my NASA TV.
effin-a man, I am in the same boat kinda(college). I will be on gameday, periodically watching the Galileo webcast, receiving updates on my team from TBA text messages?(not sure if plan covers it?) and then switching over to NASA TV to watch what should be some awesome matches on Einstein and the closing ceremonies, All the while my nose will be pressed to the pages of a calculus book.
It'll be an interesting weekend watching so many juggernauts graciously and professionally beat the living daylights out of each other in an awe inspiring and fun manner. Galileo really is unpredictable with so many great teams and besides what I'm supposed to be looking at, my eyes will be glued to the gentle glow of my computer monitor.
Good luck to all teams attending and Go Galileo!
-Adam Reed [48]
cziggy343
11-04-2008, 18:40
who are definsive robots? im making a list... so far:
8 and 84
who are definsive robots? im making a list... so far:
8 and 84980. Lap/defense.
les chortos
11-04-2008, 18:57
my prediction- there will not be a lapbot on Einstein this year
my prediction- there will not be a lapbot on Einstein this year
No but there could be a robot that whose primary strength is not hurlding (i.e. 980 a defensive robot). However, I can see an alliance captain select a lap bot to complete an alliance. Think about it, there are only 2 balls per alliance, so if an alliance is already made up of two superb hurdlers, a lap bot may be useful for defense and lapping.
65_Xero_Huskie
11-04-2008, 19:22
my prediction- there will not be a lapbot on Einstein this year
I bet you there will be ;)
3 shooters is a good combo, however...
When the field gets deep like this, your going to HAVE to play defense if you want to win against 4 Amazing shooters.
Tottanka
11-04-2008, 19:25
I bet you there will be ;)
3 shooters is a good combo, however...
When the field gets deep like this, your going to HAVE to play defense if you want to win against 4 Amazing shooters.
yea, it is going to be hard paying against 4 shooters...
cziggy343
11-04-2008, 19:29
yeah... im gonna bank on there being a few defensive robots out there in the elims... otherwise... your alliance will need to completly outscore a team like 1114, and that is a tall order... if you have a defender... then you can at least slow down thier teammate and make it two on one... unless they have a defender riding up your butt;)
Coach Norm
11-04-2008, 19:40
Our team sees it this way: only two balls for an alliance. Three shooters have to share the balls.
The lap bot can move the ball around to help the shooters and interfere with the other teams shooters.
If the lap bot has autonomous with the ability to make a lap and knock off balls, that makes them a stong bot for an alliance. If this bot can knock off balls, then they can also knock off opposing teams balls at the end.
Of course, they should be able to stay out of the shooters way and not get penalties.
David Brinza
11-04-2008, 19:50
my prediction- there will not be a lapbot on Einstein this yearYou're probably right about a "pure lapbot".
Maybe a "utility-robot" with good hybrid mode, lapping, herding, and defensive tactics will figure in the Championship.
XaulZan11
11-04-2008, 19:57
Our team sees it this way: only two balls for an alliance. Three shooters have to share the balls.
The lap bot can move the ball around to help the shooters and interfere with the other teams shooters.
If the lap bot has autonomous with the ability to make a lap and knock off balls, that makes them a stong bot for an alliance. If this bot can knock off balls, then they can also knock off opposing teams balls at the end.
Of course, they should be able to stay out of the shooters way and not get penalties.
I see what you are saying, but those good qualities that you mention a hurdler can have too. There are only a few number lap bots that are significantly faster than all other bots (ie 148, who can't knock down). So, by having a hurdling robot that can do just about everything a lap bot can do (good hybrid, knock off well, play defense, lap), they can also hurdle. I think that there will be 12 robots with hurdling capiblities on Einstein. While the 3rd may be doing laps, playing defense and knocking balls off, they are also a backup hurdler incase one team breaks. Also, if the alliances top or second best hurdler is getting a ton of defense, they can act as a decoy and allow the 3rd robot to handle the hurdling while they draw the defense away (although that strategy probably won't work for more than one match). Having three hurdles just gives the alliance more strategic options.
Guy Davidson
11-04-2008, 19:58
who are definsive robots? im making a list... so far:
8 and 84
From reading Travis Hoffman's posts about defense, I'd be willing to wager that 48 play some D as well. I guess any combination of 4's and 8's makes for some good defense :P (and 980)
les chortos
11-04-2008, 20:00
a good hurdler can double as a lapbot if need be - a lapbot will never hurdle. In an absolute pinch that 1 extra hurdle the "lapbot" might have to make could win the match. 6 laps- 1 hurdle. - whats the most laps a bot has run this year. do the math. If I was choosing I would pick that 1 machine that can easily and quickly pickup a ball and hurdle .and do laps if need be-and/or run counter defense.(I think at this point - a good hybrid is a gimme- in other words they all must be good)
Heres a few stats on the teams in the Galileo (http://www.team330.org/galileo_2008.html)division. COlumns are sortable (JavaScript must be enabled, I believe)
David Brinza
11-04-2008, 20:10
Heres a few stats on the teams in the Galileo (http://www.team330.org/galileo_2008.html)division.For some reason, the numbers for 1114 stick out like a 6th grader in kindergarten...are we talking a super-offensive machine or what!!! They're on top of every category (except losses).
There are only a few number lap bots that are significantly faster than all other bots (ie 148, who can't knock down).
Too bad the videos aren't available from Bayou for you to see. :rolleyes:
Galileo will be not only fun, but exciting, crazy, and just straight amazing. I'm very pleased to be in such a great division. I'm amazed by the strength that showed up here, and I just can't wait until Thursday. This being my rookie year at Atlanta, I don't think I could be more privileged. I hope to meet many of you at Championship. Just look for the short, blond 148 driver.
P.S.- Just noticed I was the 148th post. :D
From reading Travis Hoffman's posts about defense, I'd be willing to wager that 48 play some D as well. I guess any combination of 4's and 8's makes for some good defense :P (and 980)
Hellooooo from the NORTH EAST :D
I like the 8's thing, Seeeee Yaaaaa Sooooon
Good luck to all of the FIRST TEAMS
especially the teams in GALILEO what a HOOT this div. will be!!!!
oh yeah ???? OH YEAH !!!! :yikes:
MOE and TEAM 88
Paul Copioli
11-04-2008, 21:28
Um, 148 can knock off the balls. They added that feature at Bayou.
cziggy343
11-04-2008, 21:30
Um, 148 can knock off the balls. They added that feature at Bayou.
yeah... i saw that thread... scary...
AustinDpOwers89
11-04-2008, 21:33
really i'm thinking a 3 good hurdler/shooter alliance would be an ultimate alliance if they can effectively cooperate and share the 2 track balls. think of the robot without the ball on the otherside of the overpass and the 1st robot hurdles and passes it off to the waiting robot who can grab it within seconds and go around the track. Then the 1st robot waits for the other trackball to be hurdled grabs it and so on. now applying the same idea to a 3 shooter alliance, if they could shoot "kiddy-corner" that would be epic. and with so many good hurdlers in this division i can see it happening.
Travis Hoffman
11-04-2008, 23:57
From reading Travis Hoffman's posts about defense, I'd be willing to wager that 48 play some D as well.
That is one of but many options for us.
Our improvement in OPR at Buckeye was due to pure speed lapping. We put up 8-9 if focusing solely on that strategy. Our driver is adept at navigating through traffic with ease. I would presume other strategies may take precedence in Galileo. Depends on the situation.
We were considering switching to trackball defense in later elimination rounds had we advanced but never had the need or opportunity to play it.
We can knock reliably, repeatably, and backwards if needed, without penalty.
Our current hybrid can get 3 lines with no sensor feedback at 65% full speed setting; however, gyros are really useful devices, I've recently found. Driving straight in auton regardless of mechanical drivetrain bias is kinda a useful feature. Makes you want to take more liberties with the robot's speed in hybrid. ;)
And it's amazing what an RS-540 motor, some surgical tubing, (and some really ugly but solid welding) can do to refresh the usefulness of a mechanism....
Galileo should be a fun time! We're flexible enough to play any strategy with anyone at any time. I can't wait for the myriad combinations of great partners and opponents we will face. Good luck to all competitors!
AdamHeard
12-04-2008, 00:03
That is one of but many options for us.
Our improvement in OPR at Buckeye was due to pure speed lapping. We could put up 8-9 if focusing solely on that strategy. Our driver is adept at navigating through traffic with ease. I would presume other strategies may take precedence in Galileo. Depends on the situation.
We were considering switching to trackball defense in later elimination rounds had we advanced but never had the need or opportunity to play it.
We can knock reliably, repeatably, and backwards if needed, without penalty.
Our current hybrid can get 3 lines with no sensor feedback at 65% full speed setting; however, gyros are really useful devices, I've recently found. Driving straight in auton regardless of mechanical drivetrain bias is kinda a useful feature. Makes you want to take more liberties with the robot's speed. ;)
And it's amazing what an RS-540 motor and some surgical tubing can do to refresh the usefulness of a mechanism....
Galileo should be a fun time! We're flexible enough to play any strategy with anyone at any time. I can't wait for the myriad combinations of great partners and opponents we will face. Good luck to all competitors!
what did you add the 540 to?
Travis Hoffman
12-04-2008, 00:11
what did you add the 540 to?
The 540's connected to the......epoxied FP pinion. The FP pinion's connected to the....FP gearbox. The FP gearbox is connected to the ....:confused: something or other, which may or may not prove useful. Time will tell.
Fun times for us on Thursday, to be sure.
Guy Davidson
12-04-2008, 00:28
Our improvement in OPR at Buckeye was due to pure speed lapping. We could put up 8-9 if focusing solely on that strategy. Our driver is adept at navigating through traffic with ease. I would presume other strategies may take precedence in Galileo. Depends on the situation.
Galileo should be a fun time! We're flexible enough to play any strategy with anyone at any time. I can't wait for the myriad combinations of great partners and opponents we will face. Good luck to all competitors!
We just never saw the value of pure lapping. In our mind, preventing a hurdler from hurdling twice is good for about 16 points, which is eight laps. That's more than a good tradeoff for us, especially if we can sometime take away a third hurdle.
We can do most of the stuff you listed too :P Our hybrid is still lacking thought. Something is messing up our code, making it good for one line so far, and no more. Hopefully we'll be able to figure something out before Atlanta.
Galileo should be a blast. We're sure to get to play with some amazing teams, some we've met before, and many we haven't. No one in our current group of students has competed east of Las Vegas, so this should definitely be a refreshing experience. We can't wait!
David Brinza
12-04-2008, 00:42
Too bad the videos aren't available from Bayou for you to see. :rolleyes:
I put a few videos from the Bayou elims on YouTube. They're taken with a hand-held digital camera, zoomed out enough to see most of the field.
For what they're worth, here they are:
Bayou Regional: Finals Match 1 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bCtFrXZCuJ4) and Bayou Regional: Finals Match 2 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yhch09WGWrQ)
I also posted a couple of other Bayou elim matches:
Semi-Final Match 1-1 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AwxNWeE54E4) and Semi-Final 1-2 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bKQrpd1GNwk)
I didn't have anything against the teams in the other Bayou Semi-Final matches, which were very entertaining. It's just that I have a genetic connection to the driver of Team 16 (#1 seeded alliance). My digital camera barely had enough memory for those four matches.:o
Chris Herold
12-04-2008, 00:43
Man, I missed the whole division announcement because I was on a trip to Boston...that's amazing to go galileo ^^ I am pretty glad about the division. Especially scouting will be a lot of fun now since there will be a lot of nice matches around. For me definitely the strongest division...Team 1983 - The Skunkworks will smell hard!
Travis Hoffman
12-04-2008, 00:50
We just never saw the value of pure lapping. In our mind, preventing a hurdler from hurdling twice is good for about 16 points, which is eight laps. That's more than a good tradeoff for us, especially if we can sometime take away a third hurdle.
Agreed, regarding elims. But the lapping may come in handy during qualifying when allied with stronger-hurdling partners and you expect to win the match. Trying to maintain opponent's score and lapping for your alliance preserves RP's for you. You (and your offensively superior partners positioned to seed high) might benefit from the gesture.
Guy Davidson
12-04-2008, 00:53
Agreed, regarding elims. But the lapping may come in handy during qualifying when allied with stronger-hurdling partners and you expect to win the match. Trying to maintain opponent's score and lapping for your alliance preserves RP's for you. You (and your offensively superior partners positioned to seed high) might appreciate the gesture.
I haven't thought of that. I guess that if you are absolutely sure you are going to win, you might as well forgo defense. However, if you end up losing a match you expected to win, you'd be rather unhappy if that happens.
Additionally, for most teams, the qualifications will be a showcase for how good you can be during eliminations. I expect that if you hope to make eliminations as a defensive bot, you might have to prove during qualifications you can play defense.
Coach Norm
12-04-2008, 01:29
I see what you are saying, but those good qualities that you mention a hurdler can have too. There are only a few number lap bots that are significantly faster than all other bots (ie 148, who can't knock down). So, by having a hurdling robot that can do just about everything a lap bot can do (good hybrid, knock off well, play defense, lap), they can also hurdle. I think that there will be 12 robots with hurdling capiblities on Einstein. While the 3rd may be doing laps, playing defense and knocking balls off, they are also a backup hurdler incase one team breaks. Also, if the alliances top or second best hurdler is getting a ton of defense, they can act as a decoy and allow the 3rd robot to handle the hurdling while they draw the defense away (although that strategy probably won't work for more than one match). Having three hurdles just gives the alliance more strategic options.
Yes hurdlers can do all the things as well. Point well taken. I am looking forward to my first time at Championships especially since it is our Rookie year. I have much to learn I know. We are want to have a good showing just all others do as well.
An alliance with two great hurdlers and a great herder who can also hurdle and place would be the best combo the herder/hurdler would fill in , in the case that one of the amazing hurdlers was tipped, disabled, or had mechanical failure.
mark johnson
12-04-2008, 12:00
Galileo , Einstien is yours to loose!!!!!!!! With the powerhouses of ,217,254,330,1114, depending on how they match up after alliance pickings will be hard to beat. Add a third partner from 8, 25, 40, 65,, 70 ,103, 121, 148 ,176, 195, 469, 494, 1503, 1717, will stand tall on Einstien.
Joe Ross
12-04-2008, 12:20
I ran through 200 simulated qualifications (all 100 matches, using the FIRST match generator). I used each team's best opr (http://www.chiefdelphi.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=66388) for their contribution to a match.
I know 1114 is by far the best robot this year, but I wanted to see what their chances are of seeding first. They went undefeated in all but 20 trials, but only seeded first 73 times. Here are the statistics for all teams:
QPs:
Team min max average median undefeated
1114 12 14 13.81 14 180
103 8 14 12.37 12 77
217 8 14 11.705 12 50
40 6 14 11.385 12 39
330 6 14 11.545 12 49
254 2 14 10.83 10.5 31
494 4 14 10.56 10 17
25 6 14 10.535 10 21
1717 2 14 10.96 12 31
121 4 14 9.795 10 18
1629 2 14 10.29 10 20
234 2 14 9.29 10 10
469 4 14 9.61 10 13
343 2 14 8.43 8 5
65 0 14 8.39 8 3
176 0 14 8.415 8 3
195 2 14 8.435 8 4
1540 2 14 8.895 10 8
88 1 14 7.885 8 3
291 0 14 7.55 8 2
1450 2 14 7.915 8 3
2468 2 14 8.285 8 4
70 0 14 7.92 8 4
2062 2 14 8.26 8 2
716 0 14 7.97 8 1
1503 0 14 8.24 8 6
1816 2 14 7.76 8 2
932 2 14 7.705 8 2
48 0 14 6.88 6 2
384 0 12 7.155 8 0
694 0 14 7.48 8 3
148 2 14 8.82 9 7
1089 0 14 7.525 8 5
316 0 14 6.7 6 2
548 2 12 6.84 6 0
2165 0 14 7.345 8 4
1676 2 14 7.34 8 3
364 0 13 6.885 6 0
84 0 12 6.17 6 0
1366 0 12 6.92 8 0
134 0 13 6.07 6 0
1023 0 14 6.59 6 2
2487 0 13 6.97 7 0
180 0 12 6.02 6 0
812 0 12 6.29 6 0
2237 0 12 6.73 6.5 0
2638 0 14 7.08 8 1
425 0 11 6.505 6 0
2340 0 14 6.65 6 1
894 0 12 6.13 6 0
1319 0 12 6.36 6 0
2046 2 14 9.28 10 4
2549 0 14 6.265 6 1
2564 0 12 6.605 6 0
980 0 13 5.925 6 0
612 0 12 5.795 6 0
1038 0 12 5.715 6 0
1983 0 14 7.16 8 3
8 0 12 5.335 6 0
302 0 14 5.18 6 1
457 0 12 5.205 6 0
1739 0 12 5.555 6 0
1758 0 14 5.595 6 1
597 0 11 5.8 6 0
2599 0 14 5.52 6 1
2023 0 12 5.545 6 0
2437 0 14 5.77 6 1
399 0 14 5.2 6 1
1296 0 10 4.74 4 0
1212 0 12 5.07 4 0
1138 0 14 5.615 6 1
2423 0 12 4.865 4 0
1390 0 12 4.52 4 0
226 0 8 4.015 4 0
1885 0 12 5.585 6 0
168 0 12 4.315 4 0
2354 0 10 4.085 4 0
1254 0 10 3.95 4 0
115 0 14 4.77 4 1
839 0 10 4.595 4 0
1523 0 12 3.79 4 0
2621 0 12 3.31 4 0
1576 0 10 2.93 2 0
509 0 8 2.94 2 0
1595 0 8 2.25 2 0
Seeds:
Team Min Max average median 1 seed top 8
1114 1 9 2.43 2 73 199
103 1 27 5.475 4 38 160
217 1 30 8.435 6 21 128
40 1 49 9.935 7 11 114
330 1 45 9.155 6 21 123
254 1 75 12.825 9.5 8 88
494 1 60 14.74 12.5 4 72
25 1 47 13.76 12 4 83
1717 1 72 14.645 11.5 1 75
121 1 61 18.685 15 6 46
1629 2 73 17.955 16 0 51
234 1 75 22.2 16.5 4 37
469 2 65 20.725 17.5 0 42
343 1 77 28.885 27 3 23
65 3 82 28.045 26 0 18
176 2 81 28.525 27 0 12
195 2 77 28.205 27 0 22
1540 2 80 28.36 24 0 27
88 1 82 31.865 29 2 15
291 2 83 35.57 30 0 12
1450 3 81 36.405 34 0 6
2468 3 78 33.735 33 0 10
70 2 83 31.65 29 0 17
2062 3 80 33.55 29.5 0 12
716 4 83 33.94 32 0 11
1503 1 84 33.65 32 1 11
1816 2 79 37.72 35.5 0 8
932 3 82 36.885 34 0 6
48 4 82 40.82 42 0 6
384 5 83 38.92 35 0 10
694 2 84 38.01 36 0 8
148 1 79 25.695 22.5 1 27
1089 3 82 38.885 36.5 0 10
316 3 84 42.95 44 0 5
548 7 81 42.74 43 0 3
2165 2 84 41.76 40 0 9
1676 2 83 41.55 41 0 8
364 5 82 41.26 42 0 8
84 8 85 46.415 46 0 1
1366 5 84 43.39 40 0 3
134 5 84 47.505 49 0 2
1023 1 85 45.66 46 1 4
2487 3 83 45.41 42 0 4
180 8 84 48.06 47 0 1
812 5 82 47.14 48.5 0 2
2237 8 83 46.435 45 0 2
2638 2 85 44.525 43 0 4
425 9 84 45.13 44 0 0
2340 6 85 47.515 51 0 5
894 8 84 49.915 51.5 0 1
1319 6 84 49.06 49.5 0 2
2046 3 76 25.335 22 0 22
2549 5 85 50.57 54 0 2
2564 10 84 47.96 48.5 0 0
980 5 85 52.055 54.5 0 1
612 8 84 51.675 53 0 3
1038 7 85 53.68 54 0 1
1983 1 82 42.585 40.5 1 5
8 6 84 54.195 56.5 0 1
302 4 85 55.815 57 0 2
457 9 85 56.04 59 0 0
1739 9 85 56.61 59 0 0
1758 3 85 56.135 58.5 0 2
597 10 84 51.94 53 0 0
2599 4 85 57.395 59 0 1
2023 10 85 56.715 57 0 0
2437 3 84 54.875 58 0 2
399 4 85 56.345 58 0 1
1296 18 85 62.51 67 0 0
1212 6 85 60.24 66 0 1
1138 6 84 54.745 55.5 0 1
2423 14 85 62.625 66.5 0 0
1390 9 85 63.64 68 0 0
226 30 85 65.665 68 0 0
1885 9 84 56.97 58 0 0
168 7 85 62.575 67 0 1
2354 19 85 67.765 73 0 0
1254 18 85 67.95 71.5 0 0
115 3 85 58.69 63 0 1
839 20 85 63.065 67 0 0
1523 10 85 69.95 74 0 0
2621 9 85 73.095 77 0 0
1576 25 85 75.86 79.5 0 0
509 32 85 74.04 79 0 0
1595 35 85 78.985 82 0 0
Tottanka
12-04-2008, 12:43
I ran through 200 simulated qualifications (all 100 matches, using the FIRST match generator). I used each team's best opr (http://www.chiefdelphi.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=66388) for their contribution to a match.
I know 1114 is by far the best robot this year, but I wanted to see what their chances are of seeding first. They went undefeated in all but 20 trials, but only seeded first 73 times. Here are the statistics for all teams:
QPs:
Team min max average median undefeated
1114 12 14 13.81 14 180
103 8 14 12.37 12 77
217 8 14 11.705 12 50
40 6 14 11.385 12 39
330 6 14 11.545 12 49
254 2 14 10.83 10.5 31
494 4 14 10.56 10 17
25 6 14 10.535 10 21
1717 2 14 10.96 12 31
121 4 14 9.795 10 18
1629 2 14 10.29 10 20
234 2 14 9.29 10 10
469 4 14 9.61 10 13
343 2 14 8.43 8 5
65 0 14 8.39 8 3
176 0 14 8.415 8 3
195 2 14 8.435 8 4
1540 2 14 8.895 10 8
88 1 14 7.885 8 3
291 0 14 7.55 8 2
1450 2 14 7.915 8 3
2468 2 14 8.285 8 4
70 0 14 7.92 8 4
2062 2 14 8.26 8 2
716 0 14 7.97 8 1
1503 0 14 8.24 8 6
1816 2 14 7.76 8 2
932 2 14 7.705 8 2
48 0 14 6.88 6 2
384 0 12 7.155 8 0
694 0 14 7.48 8 3
148 2 14 8.82 9 7
1089 0 14 7.525 8 5
316 0 14 6.7 6 2
548 2 12 6.84 6 0
2165 0 14 7.345 8 4
1676 2 14 7.34 8 3
364 0 13 6.885 6 0
84 0 12 6.17 6 0
1366 0 12 6.92 8 0
134 0 13 6.07 6 0
1023 0 14 6.59 6 2
2487 0 13 6.97 7 0
180 0 12 6.02 6 0
812 0 12 6.29 6 0
2237 0 12 6.73 6.5 0
2638 0 14 7.08 8 1
425 0 11 6.505 6 0
2340 0 14 6.65 6 1
894 0 12 6.13 6 0
1319 0 12 6.36 6 0
2046 2 14 9.28 10 4
2549 0 14 6.265 6 1
2564 0 12 6.605 6 0
980 0 13 5.925 6 0
612 0 12 5.795 6 0
1038 0 12 5.715 6 0
1983 0 14 7.16 8 3
8 0 12 5.335 6 0
302 0 14 5.18 6 1
457 0 12 5.205 6 0
1739 0 12 5.555 6 0
1758 0 14 5.595 6 1
597 0 11 5.8 6 0
2599 0 14 5.52 6 1
2023 0 12 5.545 6 0
2437 0 14 5.77 6 1
399 0 14 5.2 6 1
1296 0 10 4.74 4 0
1212 0 12 5.07 4 0
1138 0 14 5.615 6 1
2423 0 12 4.865 4 0
1390 0 12 4.52 4 0
226 0 8 4.015 4 0
1885 0 12 5.585 6 0
168 0 12 4.315 4 0
2354 0 10 4.085 4 0
1254 0 10 3.95 4 0
115 0 14 4.77 4 1
839 0 10 4.595 4 0
1523 0 12 3.79 4 0
2621 0 12 3.31 4 0
1576 0 10 2.93 2 0
509 0 8 2.94 2 0
1595 0 8 2.25 2 0
Seeds:
Team Min Max average median 1 seed top 8
1114 1 9 2.43 2 73 199
103 1 27 5.475 4 38 160
217 1 30 8.435 6 21 128
40 1 49 9.935 7 11 114
330 1 45 9.155 6 21 123
254 1 75 12.825 9.5 8 88
494 1 60 14.74 12.5 4 72
25 1 47 13.76 12 4 83
1717 1 72 14.645 11.5 1 75
121 1 61 18.685 15 6 46
1629 2 73 17.955 16 0 51
234 1 75 22.2 16.5 4 37
469 2 65 20.725 17.5 0 42
343 1 77 28.885 27 3 23
65 3 82 28.045 26 0 18
176 2 81 28.525 27 0 12
195 2 77 28.205 27 0 22
1540 2 80 28.36 24 0 27
88 1 82 31.865 29 2 15
291 2 83 35.57 30 0 12
1450 3 81 36.405 34 0 6
2468 3 78 33.735 33 0 10
70 2 83 31.65 29 0 17
2062 3 80 33.55 29.5 0 12
716 4 83 33.94 32 0 11
1503 1 84 33.65 32 1 11
1816 2 79 37.72 35.5 0 8
932 3 82 36.885 34 0 6
48 4 82 40.82 42 0 6
384 5 83 38.92 35 0 10
694 2 84 38.01 36 0 8
148 1 79 25.695 22.5 1 27
1089 3 82 38.885 36.5 0 10
316 3 84 42.95 44 0 5
548 7 81 42.74 43 0 3
2165 2 84 41.76 40 0 9
1676 2 83 41.55 41 0 8
364 5 82 41.26 42 0 8
84 8 85 46.415 46 0 1
1366 5 84 43.39 40 0 3
134 5 84 47.505 49 0 2
1023 1 85 45.66 46 1 4
2487 3 83 45.41 42 0 4
180 8 84 48.06 47 0 1
812 5 82 47.14 48.5 0 2
2237 8 83 46.435 45 0 2
2638 2 85 44.525 43 0 4
425 9 84 45.13 44 0 0
2340 6 85 47.515 51 0 5
894 8 84 49.915 51.5 0 1
1319 6 84 49.06 49.5 0 2
2046 3 76 25.335 22 0 22
2549 5 85 50.57 54 0 2
2564 10 84 47.96 48.5 0 0
980 5 85 52.055 54.5 0 1
612 8 84 51.675 53 0 3
1038 7 85 53.68 54 0 1
1983 1 82 42.585 40.5 1 5
8 6 84 54.195 56.5 0 1
302 4 85 55.815 57 0 2
457 9 85 56.04 59 0 0
1739 9 85 56.61 59 0 0
1758 3 85 56.135 58.5 0 2
597 10 84 51.94 53 0 0
2599 4 85 57.395 59 0 1
2023 10 85 56.715 57 0 0
2437 3 84 54.875 58 0 2
399 4 85 56.345 58 0 1
1296 18 85 62.51 67 0 0
1212 6 85 60.24 66 0 1
1138 6 84 54.745 55.5 0 1
2423 14 85 62.625 66.5 0 0
1390 9 85 63.64 68 0 0
226 30 85 65.665 68 0 0
1885 9 84 56.97 58 0 0
168 7 85 62.575 67 0 1
2354 19 85 67.765 73 0 0
1254 18 85 67.95 71.5 0 0
115 3 85 58.69 63 0 1
839 20 85 63.065 67 0 0
1523 10 85 69.95 74 0 0
2621 9 85 73.095 77 0 0
1576 25 85 75.86 79.5 0 0
509 32 85 74.04 79 0 0
1595 35 85 78.985 82 0 0
wow
do you have more info about the one where 1114 were not in the top 8?
cziggy343
12-04-2008, 12:44
I ran through 200 simulated qualifications (all 100 matches, using the FIRST match generator). I used each team's best opr (http://www.chiefdelphi.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=66388) for their contribution to a match.
I know 1114 is by far the best robot this year, but I wanted to see what their chances are of seeding first. They went undefeated in all but 20 trials, but only seeded first 73 times. Here are the statistics for all teams:
QPs:
Team min max average median undefeated
1114 12 14 13.81 14 180
103 8 14 12.37 12 77
217 8 14 11.705 12 50
40 6 14 11.385 12 39
330 6 14 11.545 12 49
254 2 14 10.83 10.5 31
494 4 14 10.56 10 17
25 6 14 10.535 10 21
1717 2 14 10.96 12 31
121 4 14 9.795 10 18
1629 2 14 10.29 10 20
234 2 14 9.29 10 10
469 4 14 9.61 10 13
343 2 14 8.43 8 5
65 0 14 8.39 8 3
176 0 14 8.415 8 3
195 2 14 8.435 8 4
1540 2 14 8.895 10 8
88 1 14 7.885 8 3
291 0 14 7.55 8 2
1450 2 14 7.915 8 3
2468 2 14 8.285 8 4
70 0 14 7.92 8 4
2062 2 14 8.26 8 2
716 0 14 7.97 8 1
1503 0 14 8.24 8 6
1816 2 14 7.76 8 2
932 2 14 7.705 8 2
48 0 14 6.88 6 2
384 0 12 7.155 8 0
694 0 14 7.48 8 3
148 2 14 8.82 9 7
1089 0 14 7.525 8 5
316 0 14 6.7 6 2
548 2 12 6.84 6 0
2165 0 14 7.345 8 4
1676 2 14 7.34 8 3
364 0 13 6.885 6 0
84 0 12 6.17 6 0
1366 0 12 6.92 8 0
134 0 13 6.07 6 0
1023 0 14 6.59 6 2
2487 0 13 6.97 7 0
180 0 12 6.02 6 0
812 0 12 6.29 6 0
2237 0 12 6.73 6.5 0
2638 0 14 7.08 8 1
425 0 11 6.505 6 0
2340 0 14 6.65 6 1
894 0 12 6.13 6 0
1319 0 12 6.36 6 0
2046 2 14 9.28 10 4
2549 0 14 6.265 6 1
2564 0 12 6.605 6 0
980 0 13 5.925 6 0
612 0 12 5.795 6 0
1038 0 12 5.715 6 0
1983 0 14 7.16 8 3
8 0 12 5.335 6 0
302 0 14 5.18 6 1
457 0 12 5.205 6 0
1739 0 12 5.555 6 0
1758 0 14 5.595 6 1
597 0 11 5.8 6 0
2599 0 14 5.52 6 1
2023 0 12 5.545 6 0
2437 0 14 5.77 6 1
399 0 14 5.2 6 1
1296 0 10 4.74 4 0
1212 0 12 5.07 4 0
1138 0 14 5.615 6 1
2423 0 12 4.865 4 0
1390 0 12 4.52 4 0
226 0 8 4.015 4 0
1885 0 12 5.585 6 0
168 0 12 4.315 4 0
2354 0 10 4.085 4 0
1254 0 10 3.95 4 0
115 0 14 4.77 4 1
839 0 10 4.595 4 0
1523 0 12 3.79 4 0
2621 0 12 3.31 4 0
1576 0 10 2.93 2 0
509 0 8 2.94 2 0
1595 0 8 2.25 2 0
Seeds:
Team Min Max average median 1 seed top 8
1114 1 9 2.43 2 73 199
103 1 27 5.475 4 38 160
217 1 30 8.435 6 21 128
40 1 49 9.935 7 11 114
330 1 45 9.155 6 21 123
254 1 75 12.825 9.5 8 88
494 1 60 14.74 12.5 4 72
25 1 47 13.76 12 4 83
1717 1 72 14.645 11.5 1 75
121 1 61 18.685 15 6 46
1629 2 73 17.955 16 0 51
234 1 75 22.2 16.5 4 37
469 2 65 20.725 17.5 0 42
343 1 77 28.885 27 3 23
65 3 82 28.045 26 0 18
176 2 81 28.525 27 0 12
195 2 77 28.205 27 0 22
1540 2 80 28.36 24 0 27
88 1 82 31.865 29 2 15
291 2 83 35.57 30 0 12
1450 3 81 36.405 34 0 6
2468 3 78 33.735 33 0 10
70 2 83 31.65 29 0 17
2062 3 80 33.55 29.5 0 12
716 4 83 33.94 32 0 11
1503 1 84 33.65 32 1 11
1816 2 79 37.72 35.5 0 8
932 3 82 36.885 34 0 6
48 4 82 40.82 42 0 6
384 5 83 38.92 35 0 10
694 2 84 38.01 36 0 8
148 1 79 25.695 22.5 1 27
1089 3 82 38.885 36.5 0 10
316 3 84 42.95 44 0 5
548 7 81 42.74 43 0 3
2165 2 84 41.76 40 0 9
1676 2 83 41.55 41 0 8
364 5 82 41.26 42 0 8
84 8 85 46.415 46 0 1
1366 5 84 43.39 40 0 3
134 5 84 47.505 49 0 2
1023 1 85 45.66 46 1 4
2487 3 83 45.41 42 0 4
180 8 84 48.06 47 0 1
812 5 82 47.14 48.5 0 2
2237 8 83 46.435 45 0 2
2638 2 85 44.525 43 0 4
425 9 84 45.13 44 0 0
2340 6 85 47.515 51 0 5
894 8 84 49.915 51.5 0 1
1319 6 84 49.06 49.5 0 2
2046 3 76 25.335 22 0 22
2549 5 85 50.57 54 0 2
2564 10 84 47.96 48.5 0 0
980 5 85 52.055 54.5 0 1
612 8 84 51.675 53 0 3
1038 7 85 53.68 54 0 1
1983 1 82 42.585 40.5 1 5
8 6 84 54.195 56.5 0 1
302 4 85 55.815 57 0 2
457 9 85 56.04 59 0 0
1739 9 85 56.61 59 0 0
1758 3 85 56.135 58.5 0 2
597 10 84 51.94 53 0 0
2599 4 85 57.395 59 0 1
2023 10 85 56.715 57 0 0
2437 3 84 54.875 58 0 2
399 4 85 56.345 58 0 1
1296 18 85 62.51 67 0 0
1212 6 85 60.24 66 0 1
1138 6 84 54.745 55.5 0 1
2423 14 85 62.625 66.5 0 0
1390 9 85 63.64 68 0 0
226 30 85 65.665 68 0 0
1885 9 84 56.97 58 0 0
168 7 85 62.575 67 0 1
2354 19 85 67.765 73 0 0
1254 18 85 67.95 71.5 0 0
115 3 85 58.69 63 0 1
839 20 85 63.065 67 0 0
1523 10 85 69.95 74 0 0
2621 9 85 73.095 77 0 0
1576 25 85 75.86 79.5 0 0
509 32 85 74.04 79 0 0
1595 35 85 78.985 82 0 0
wow... 1114 never finished below 9:ahh: somehow... doesn't shock me, but it is just a simulation.
so this simulation had no assumed defense? its all on the opr?
Joe Ross
12-04-2008, 13:10
wow
do you have more info about the one where 1114 were not in the top 8?
They lost 1 match. There were 3 undefeated teams and about 12 teams with 1 loss, and 1114 had an RS in the middle of those teams. They seeded 9th in that scenario.
so this simulation had no assumed defense? its all on the opr?
Correct, no defense, which helps the offensive teams and hurts the defensive teams.
Nawaid Ladak
12-04-2008, 13:24
They lost 1 match. There were 3 undefeated teams and about 12 teams with 1 loss, and 1114 had an RS in the middle of those teams. They seeded 9th in that scenario.
Correct, no defense, which helps the offensive teams and hurts the defensive teams.
if you can, do one w9th the opr minus their oponants dpr
oh, don't forget to round by 2's because a odd score is impossable
wow those are some crazy results
OompaLoompa
12-04-2008, 14:44
I beg to differ about having 3 shooter bots for an alliance. Through what I've observed at the regionals I have attended and by watching matches online, sometimes having 3 robots who shoot acts as a disadvantage if the extra robot doesn't have a ball and is stuck playing defense.
The best alliances I've seen usually consist of either 2 placer/shooter bots (preferrably one of each) and one defense bot. HOWEVER having a defense bot also does you no good if all they can do is herd the ball. Having the ability of knocking the ball off the overpass during teleoperated mode is needed. This way the two shooter bots dont have to fuss with removing the balls and once they are down the defense bot basically plays a game of "keep-away". A solid autonomous mode also helps a little bit ;) .
AustinDpOwers89
12-04-2008, 15:01
really i'm thinking a 3 good hurdler/shooter alliance would be an ultimate alliance if they can effectively cooperate and share the 2 track balls. think of the robot without the ball on the otherside of the overpass and the 1st robot hurdles and passes it off to the waiting robot who can grab it within seconds and go around the track. Then the 1st robot waits for the other trackball to be hurdled grabs it and so on. now applying the same idea to a 3 shooter alliance, if they could shoot "kiddy-corner" that would be epic. and with so many good hurdlers in this division i can see it happening.
quoting myself from before... if teams can manage a good "cooprative strategy" and share the trackballs, i think this would optimize scoring potential.
Joe Ross
12-04-2008, 15:46
if you can, do one w9th the opr minus their oponants dpr
oh, don't forget to round by 2's because a odd score is impossable
The OPR + DPR stats were only the top 50 teams, so that's not possible, right now.
waialua359
12-04-2008, 17:49
Sorry to thread jack.
Joe, can you run the simulation for Newton, please?
:D
-Glenn
Bob Steele
12-04-2008, 18:30
I would personally like to welcome the rookie teams to Galileo.
Last year we were a rookie team on Newton and it did seem a bit overwhelming.
You will have a great time!! And if you need anything in the way of help please come and talk to the skunks.
Don't worry about all the stats!!! The championships have a funny way of sorting things out...
We will look forward to playing with you and against you!!!
We are bringing our "A" game...
and we have a few surprises for all you teams that have never seen anyone from the Pac North West.
We are looking forward to competing with everyone!!
see you in 5 days!!!
The Skunks are coming... 1-9-8-3
Coach Norm
12-04-2008, 20:47
I beg to differ about having 3 shooter bots for an alliance. Through what I've observed at the regionals I have attended and by watching matches online, sometimes having 3 robots who shoot acts as a disadvantage if the extra robot doesn't have a ball and is stuck playing defense.
The best alliances I've seen usually consist of either 2 placer/shooter bots (preferrably one of each) and one defense bot. HOWEVER having a defense bot also does you no good if all they can do is herd the ball. Having the ability of knocking the ball off the overpass during teleoperated mode is needed. This way the two shooter bots dont have to fuss with removing the balls and once they are down the defense bot basically plays a game of "keep-away". A solid autonomous mode also helps a little bit ;) .
We are hoping others see it that way as well. A lap bot with good autonomous and the ability to knock the ball off.
We are just disappointed that our videos from Lone Star Regional were not good enough to post on The Blue Alliance.
We are ready to go though. Can we go now?
AdamHeard
12-04-2008, 21:04
We are hoping others see it that way as well. A lap bot with good autonomous and the ability to knock the ball off.
We are just disappointed that our videos from Lone Star Regional were not good enough to post on The Blue Alliance.
We are ready to go though. Can we go now?
May not be the same point he was making, but by three good hurdlers I'm assuming they come from good teams; therefore, they have a good base, good drivers and a good grasp on strategy.
The 3rd bot would be most likely running interference and D, but could be switched for the other two at any time. This opens up so much more freedom for the coaches/strategy and allows for more malfunctions. It would also allow for more opportunities for last minute places, hurdles, etc.... Remember, just because a team can only run laps/play D and knock, doesn't mean they are necessarily better at it.
David Brinza
12-04-2008, 21:42
I have to say it:
Fear the SimChickens
What do you think are the odds of them getting together? Busting out these T-shirts (http://www.chiefdelphi.com/media/photos/30060)?
Could Karthik and Copioli they have planned this all along?
Earlier this year, this speculation was dismissed...based on robot designs:
Look what I saw! (Post 74) (http://www.chiefdelphi.com/forums/showpost.php?p=709391&postcount=74)
Maybe things are not simply as they appear?
ttldomination
12-04-2008, 22:21
THey may not, but if one of them seeds first, then they will not let the change bypass them and they will quickly bypass them.
Joe Ross
12-04-2008, 23:59
wow
do you have more info about the one where 1114 were not in the top 8?
Here some of the matches that 1114 lost
Red1 Red2 Red3 Blue1 Blue2 Blue3 Red Blue
1114 180 115 103 343 494 113 127
384 1114 84 103 121 469 127 128
716 40 1717 115 302 1114 113 109
84 494 103 1114 1254 812 117 107
217 494 1319 1114 839 2621 109 93
217 254 176 1114 316 226 124 112
Vikesrock
13-04-2008, 00:35
THey may not, but if one of them seeds first, then they will not let the change bypass them and they will quickly bypass them.
Does this make sense to anyone else?
David Brinza
13-04-2008, 01:25
THey may not, but if one of them seeds first, then they will not let the change bypass them and they will quickly bypass them.
Does this make sense to anyone else?
Got to admit, the point of ttldomination's post eludes me...
jayjaywalker3
13-04-2008, 01:41
or unlucky that they dont get to see all the great action!:cool:
There goes all the ultimate frisbee i was looking to play. When will i ever be able to get out into the sun between watching all the matches and discussing strategy till late at night.
really i'm thinking a 3 good hurdler/shooter alliance would be an ultimate alliance if they can effectively cooperate and share the 2 track balls. think of the robot without the ball on the otherside of the overpass and the 1st robot hurdles and passes it off to the waiting robot who can grab it within seconds and go around the track. Then the 1st robot waits for the other trackball to be hurdled grabs it and so on. now applying the same idea to a 3 shooter alliance, if they could shoot "kiddy-corner" that would be epic. and with so many good hurdlers in this division i can see it happening.
Any other 3 hurdler strategies other than third hurdler being a backup?
i don't want to rain on your porade, but couldn't match 2 be a tie, depending on if that number was above 127 or below 127 and if you rounded up or down.... because you can't have odd numbered scores in this years game
I don't want to rain on your "porade", but I have a slight feeling that Joe may be familiar with how to round numbers...
AustinDpOwers89
13-04-2008, 02:04
There goes all the ultimate frisbee i was looking to play. When will i ever be able to get out into the sun between watching all the matches and discussing strategy till late at night.
Any other 3 hurdler strategies other than third hurdler being a backup?
I guess a third hurdler could play defense by like elevating on the otherside of the opposing alliance's overpass... blocking shots perhaps or knocking a hurdler's balls back...
ThunderChief
13-04-2008, 02:21
I have posted a paper with YouTube links to the video clips that I shot of the Elimination & other selected matches at the Los Angeles Regional.:cool:
You can also find them by searching YouTube for “FIRST Robotics Los Angeles” or by team number, using the Chief Delphi standard to prefix it with “frc”. For example: “frc330”, “frc1717”, “frc980”, etc.
Or just go to: www.YouTube.com/GaryWHedge (http://www.YouTube.com/GaryWHedge)
cziggy343
13-04-2008, 09:13
Got to admit, the point of ttldomination's post eludes me...
yeah... it doesn't make since to me either...
Video from the Microsoft-Seattle Regional has not been posted on Blue Alliance, but team video of some of the elimination rounds has been posted on our team site at
http://tshs.tahoma.wednet.edu/sites/robotics/
Enjoy!
Sunshine
13-04-2008, 11:54
This thread has been very entertaining to watch. There also seems to be a lot of chest pounding :ahh: and politicking going on. Some of you make it appear that the other divisions should just stay home.
Spend some time on other threads talking about other alliances and you'll obviously get a different perspective about everyones chances.
My two observations would be:
Watch out for the dark horses. Many of you have already declared your picks without considering other good robots who have quietly done well this year. Although prescouting is fun and possibly rewarding, continual scouting will be very important in Atlanta. How many teams have come up with plans to improve their robots? How many teams have less stellar robots than you predict because the toll of doing multiply regionals have taken a hit on the structural integrity of their robot? How many teams have strategized great defense maneuvers to compliment good offense?
My second observation may be a sensitive bias because we are a second year team. But do not rule out teams that happen to have numbers above 2000. There always appears to be an underlying notion that only teams who have been around for several years will do well. You may be setting yourself up for a disappointment because you did not look at other teams strictly because of their assigned number.
Joe Ross
13-04-2008, 13:44
I don't want to rain on your "porade", but I have a slight feeling that Joe may be familiar with how to round numbers...
I rounded to the nearest whole number. I did not round to the nearest multiple of two, mainly because I was lazy and didn't want to write a function to do that. Since the errors in the OPRs are much higher then the error caused by not rounding to a multiple of two, I don't think it makes much difference. Another big error is that 103, 469, and 121 could probably not all score their OPR, since there are only 2 balls to go around.
Without rounding, Red's score was 126.71 and Blue's score was 127.901. If rounded to a multiple of 2, Blue would still win 128 to 126.
David Brinza
13-04-2008, 13:44
This thread has been very entertaining to watch. There also seems to be a lot of chest pounding :ahh: and politicking going on. Some of you make it appear that the other divisions should just stay home.
Spend some time on other threads talking about other alliances and you'll obviously get a different perspective about everyones chances.
My two observations would be:
Watch out for the dark horses. Many of you have already declared your picks without considering other good robots who have quietly done well this year. Although prescouting is fun and possibly rewarding, continual scouting will be very important in Atlanta. How many teams have come up with plans to improve their robots? How many teams have less stellar robots than you predict because the toll of doing multiply regionals have taken a hit on the structural integrity of their robot? How many teams have strategized great defense maneuvers to compliment good offense?
My second observation may be a sensitive bias because we are a second year team. But do not rule out teams that happen to have numbers above 2000. There always appears to be an underlying notion that only teams who have been around for several years will do well. You may be setting yourself up for a disappointment because you did not look at other teams strictly because of their assigned number.
Oh, there's a lot of teams that keep a low profile and do their "talking" on the field. We all know that the serious scouts are looking at teams' performance (including their own) on the field and how each team might complement (or neutralize) each other.
As far as second year teams, Exploding Bacon made it to Einstein last year. They were the "real deal". Experienced scouts give team number just a little more consideration than color of the robot when it comes to evaluating a team's capability.
This thread is supposed to be entertaining and some of the entertainment comes from watching team members "position" themselves. Keep in mind, almost nobody will be referring to this thread when alliance selection time is near...
ThunderChief
13-04-2008, 13:57
I have posted a paper in CD-Media with YouTube links to the video clips that I shot of the Elimination & other selected matches at the San Diego Regional. :yikes:
You can also find them by searching YouTube for “FIRST Robotics San Diego” or by team number, using the Chief Delphi standard to prefix it with “frc”. For example: “frc330”, “frc1717”, “frc980”, etc.
Or just go to: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JtflM11-z6k (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JtflM11-z6k)
ThunderChief
13-04-2008, 15:15
I have posted a paper in CD-Media with a Blank Form for you to hang in your Pit and fill in by hand with your Match Schedule and Scores. Word format in color, 906 Kb. Enjoy. :cool:
Complements of Team 980 - ThunderBots - Galileo Division - World Championship 2008.
brentmcjunkin
13-04-2008, 16:29
were leaving wednessday at 4 I just cant wait to go the action starts in 3 1/2 days
Travis Hoffman
13-04-2008, 16:40
were leaving wednessday at 4 I just cant wait to go the action starts in 3 1/2 days
Tuesday evening at midnight for our bus departure. Can't get here fast enough!
brentmcjunkin
13-04-2008, 16:46
that sucks we are right next door to atlanta about a 2 hour drive
ttldomination
13-04-2008, 17:02
We're at a half an hour drive
I wish we could all travel somewhere...everyone boycott for nationals to be in Hawaii nxt year.
cziggy343
13-04-2008, 17:22
We're at a half an hour drive
I wish we could all travel somewhere...everyone boycott for nationals to be in Hawaii nxt year.
right... im sure that would turn out well...:rolleyes:
but it is a cool thought:D
jayjaywalker3
13-04-2008, 18:49
Does anybody know how many matches each robot will have?
Kristian Calhoun
13-04-2008, 18:53
Does anybody know how many matches each robot will have?
In previous years it has been 7. Given that the number of teams is approximately the same this year, I don't expect to see that number change.
Helloooooo from the NE :D
In past years 7 matches. :yikes:
See all SOOoooon OH YEAH !!!!
Team 88 TJ2 and MOE
Nawaid Ladak
13-04-2008, 19:31
Does anybody know how many matches each robot will have?
most likely seven
Tom Bottiglieri
13-04-2008, 19:33
most likely seven
I'm hoping for at least 13.
I'm hoping for at least 13.
Don't you mean 17?
Tom Bottiglieri
13-04-2008, 19:36
Don't you mean 17?
This is the Galileo thread, Cory. I don't like to get off topic :p
For every team in the Galileo field I got some advice for you: WATCH OUT FOR TEAMS 103 THE CYBERSONICS, AND TEAM 25 RAIDER ROBOTICS. They are two very powerful powerhouses
cziggy343
13-04-2008, 20:39
For every team in the Galileo field I got some advice for you: WATCH OUT FOR TEAMS 103 THE CYBERSONICS, AND TEAM 25 RAIDER ROBOTICS. They are two very powerful powerhouses
powerhouses usually are powerful:p but yes, they are both very good teams.
I have posted a paper with YouTube links to the video clips that I shot of the Elimination & other selected matches at the Los Angeles Regional.:cool:
You can also find them by searching YouTube for “FIRST Robotics Los Angeles” or by team number, using the Chief Delphi standard to prefix it with “frc”. For example: “frc330”, “frc1717”, “frc980”, etc.
Or just go to: www.YouTube.com/GaryWHedge (http://www.YouTube.com/GaryWHedge)
Great videos, thanks for uploading them!
Martinez
14-04-2008, 09:46
Don't forget Hybrid mode. It is equally as important as it was back in '06. IMHO it is a neccessity in order to get a solid footing over the competition. We would not have won Philly if it wasn't for Moes mind blowing automated skills. Having team Hybrid modes sink up will be a key to victory.
This is a game of efficiency and how well you can muck up the other teams efficiency.
Simple as that.
OompaLoompa
14-04-2008, 10:14
adding to my previous post, a D robot can also be enhanced if they can block shots. We've been discussing ways to play this strategy on our team and i think it would be highly beneficial. Not only could a defensive robot play keepaway and knock off the ball, but if they could block shots that could help out a lot too.
65_Xero_Huskie
14-04-2008, 11:38
adding to my previous post, a D robot can also be enhanced if they can block shots. We've been discussing ways to play this strategy on our team and i think it would be highly beneficial. Not only could a defensive robot play keepaway and knock off the ball, but if they could block shots that could help out a lot too.
Im sure that blocking shots would be a very viable strategy.
BUT.
If you want to put your robot in front of another when they are shooting at 7-10lb, 40' ball at about 5-10mph....I would highly request that u think about that again ;)
Guy Davidson
14-04-2008, 12:04
Exactly what I was worried about. I've seen a team (1359, I believe) succesfuly block a shot during the Las Vegas regional finals. I'd just make sure your robot is designed robustly enough to take that shot before you try blocking it.
65_Xero_Huskie
14-04-2008, 12:11
Plus, if you try to block a shot while the player is trying to shoot. You have to have a VERY high robot. If you are to close to them and they bump into you while they are trying to shoot, you will get the penalty. :O
Alexa Stott
14-04-2008, 12:44
Plus, if you try to block a shot while the player is trying to shoot. You have to have a VERY high robot. If you are to close to them and they bump into you while they are trying to shoot, you will get the penalty. :O
Also, you'd have to find a way to keep a low CoG while your robot is up high enough to block shots.
Suspect_Deezy
14-04-2008, 12:48
OH YEA!!! THIS IS GONA BE SOOOOOO HYPE :ahh: EVEN THOUGH WE'RE IN NEWTON
kazzykaty
14-04-2008, 15:47
Hey! Team 223 in the curie division and are looking to align with a team from each division for scouting. With a small group like ours, it is difficult to scout in all four divisions.
With a team in each division, we can all share our scouting information when it comes time for pairings. If your team is interested or has further questions, feel free to e-mail me at kazzykaty@aol.com.
GaryVoshol
14-04-2008, 16:11
Plus, if you try to block a shot while the player is trying to shoot. You have to have a VERY high robot. If you are to close to them and they bump into you while they are trying to shoot, you will get the penalty. :O
Wrong on both counts. Ask Foley Freeze.
If the shooting robot is low, you only have to be taller than that.
If the shooting robot bumps into the blocker, that is a "bump to pass" signal. Impeding may or may not apply, depending on if there is a clear path or if the blocker robot is moving side to side. It is hurdling interference only if the blocking robot bumps the shooter, not the other way around.
XaulZan11
14-04-2008, 16:22
If the shooting robot bumps into the blocker, that is a "bump to pass" signal. Impeding may or may not apply, depending on if there is a clear path or if the blocker robot is moving side to side. It is hurdling interference only if the blocking robot bumps the shooter, not the other way around.
Correct, but if the defender/blocker bumps into the hurdler, the defender gets a penalty for interferring with hurdling (provided the hurdler is moving foward or the ball is higher than the lane dividor). While it is risky and requires some good drivers not to run into the shooters, it can be very effective. One of the best plays I've seen this year was 537 block both 1625's and 1730's potential hurdles. It was very cool.
brentmcjunkin
14-04-2008, 16:24
the championship is almost here i am so siked:yikes: i cant wait till we leave. this is gonna be my FIRST championship cant wait :D :cool: :) :]
AcesPease
14-04-2008, 17:49
Also, you'd have to find a way to keep a low CoG while your robot is up high enough to block shots.
Hmmm....
We could do that, we have about 90 lbs below 8 inches high and our arm goes very high. 1 and 1/4" tube construction is pretty tough. If we find ourselves in a tough match against a team that "fires" the ball over the overpass we will have to give it a try.
There is a caveat: This will only be possible against a very few shooters who fire at a little distance from the overpass. Other shooters get right up against the overpass when they shoot and it would be nearly impossible to block without interfering with their hurdling move.
So much of what is being talked about here depends on the qualifying match ups. Can't wait to find out who is playing who.
nuggetsyl
14-04-2008, 19:54
IS anyone going to make a story this year for galileo???
cziggy343
14-04-2008, 20:29
IS anyone going to make a story this year for galileo???
are you volunteering for that? i have too much stuff to do:p
65_Xero_Huskie
14-04-2008, 21:49
So, i was thinking while at work today.
Who thinks were gonna see a score of 160+ ?
*Raises hand*
cziggy343
14-04-2008, 22:03
So, i was thinking while at work today.
Who thinks were gonna see a score of 160+ ?
*Raises hand*
*raises hand in unison*
I'm going to be bolder, I think that given the right conditions a 200 point match is possible on this field. It involves 2 specific teams and one of a group of 4 teams. I am pretty sure there is no way it will happen, but I could certainly see a 180 point match for sure.
OompaLoompa
15-04-2008, 10:09
There's no way the matches wont go over 150. It's guaranteed!!! :yikes:
ttldomination
15-04-2008, 11:42
Yeah...i have a feeling that the finals will be dominating and that the matches will be decided by penalties. The wins are gonna be really close...
I'm going to be bolder, I think that given the right conditions a 200 point match is possible on this field. It involves 2 specific teams and one of a group of 4 teams. I am pretty sure there is no way it will happen, but I could certainly see a 180 point match for sure.
There's no way the matches wont go over 150. It's guaranteed!!! :yikes:
I'm not so sure of these claims. Sure, when there are purely offensive alliances, it's a possibility. However with this being Champs, and certain teams having already been spotlighted for their enormous offensive prowess... I'm pretty positive defense will play a much bigger part than most think (teams just need to have some original thought and come up with a defense that is outside of the box, but within the rules :rolleyes: ).
Gene Williams
15-04-2008, 12:04
Yep! The game of "keep away" comes to mind. Box the ball(s) in a corner and "that's all folks!";)
I'm going to say that there will DEFINITELY be a match on Galileo where the combined match score is over 200 (red + blue). There will also be SEVERAL matches where the score is over 150 for the winning alliance. 1114 didn't have a match where they scored less than 98 at GTR just a few weeks ago, I expect similar results here.
65_Xero_Huskie
15-04-2008, 13:07
I'm going to say that there will DEFINITELY be a match on Galileo where the combined match score is over 200 (red + blue). There will also be SEVERAL matches where the score is over 150 for the winning alliance. 1114 didn't have a match where they scored less than 98 at GTR just a few weeks ago, I expect similar results here.
Yea, 1114 has an average score of 102 for the season.
so, im pretty sure that there will be a score of over 270 combined.
i really doubt the scores will be as high as people speculate because the opposing allience can easily play a game of keep away to stop powerhouse hurdlers
AustinDpOwers89
15-04-2008, 14:15
i think we'll come to find that defensive strategies for the most part will fall through, and while some bots will be better at them than others, and an alliance may pick a team based on defense, purely offensive alliances will be able to overcome most defenses... esspecially if they're limited to boxing in the ball at the corners. i can however see shotblocking as a legitimate defensive move... but i don't know how practical that idea is, since there have been very few instances of it thus far. i guess another defensive move could be pushing opponents balls backwards across lane markers, but i've seen this strategy, and for the most part it hasn't worked out too well.
Guy Davidson
16-04-2008, 23:37
Anyone who got the practice match schedule for tomorrow care to tell us when we're playing? We weren't able to make the uncrating tonight. If no one has it, I guess we'll justh ave to find out tomorrow morning.
waialua359
16-04-2008, 23:47
Anyone who got the practice match schedule for tomorrow care to tell us when we're playing? We weren't able to make the uncrating tonight. If no one has it, I guess we'll justh ave to find out tomorrow morning.
I knew i should have grabbed all the divisions practice match schedules.:D
Coach Norm
17-04-2008, 01:57
Anyone who got the practice match schedule for tomorrow care to tell us when we're playing? We weren't able to make the uncrating tonight. If no one has it, I guess we'll justh ave to find out tomorrow morning.
Team 8 at the following times:
9:40 with 195 and 134 vs. 1254, 88 and 217
11:50 - 1880, 176 and 134 vs. 134, 1983 and 8
3:10 - 30, 65 and 8 vs. 343, 384 and 48
Hope that helps.
Robert Thacker-
17-04-2008, 17:05
Anyone have any idea where my team lies? I couldn't be there this year, but they hope to do well. It's team 103
Anyone have any idea where my team lies? I couldn't be there this year, but they hope to do well. It's team 103
They haven't stated the qualification matches yet. Check Back tomorrow after opening ceremonies, about 9:00 when the matches start.
Robert Thacker-
17-04-2008, 17:14
ah.....good to know. lol
65_Xero_Huskie
17-04-2008, 21:12
1114 looks to be in good standings for #1 seed.
I hope we see some people give them a run for their money.
Matches will be amazing.
:)
Gene Williams
17-04-2008, 21:53
Well as I was watching the webcast today I caught a match later in the afternoon with 1114, 469 and ??? vs. 70, ??? and ??? with a score of 150 to 128!!!:eek:
Pretty impressive!
chaoticprout
17-04-2008, 21:53
1114 is playing poofs, I think that will decide Galileo (and the championship?)
XaulZan11
17-04-2008, 21:57
1114 is playing poofs, I think that will decide Galileo (and the championship?)
Ooh, what time and match number? I'm gonna make sure to see that one!
Guy Davidson
17-04-2008, 21:59
Ooh, what time and match number? I'm gonna make sure to see that one!
Match #75 at 9:03am on Saturday, Red: 1114, 234, 65; Blue: 8, 254, 469.
waialua359
17-04-2008, 22:04
Match #75 at 9:03am on Saturday, Red: 1114, 234, 65; Blue: 8, 254, 469.
I'll be very curious to see how team 8 plans to play defense against 1114. Team 8, a premier defensive team, must be planning something. They have two awesome partners in 254 and 469! The other alliance is stacked too.
This is a must see match indeed.
65_Xero_Huskie
18-04-2008, 00:18
I'll be very curious to see how team 8 plans to play defense against 1114. Team 8, a premier defensive team, must be planning something. They have two awesome partners in 254 and 469! The other alliance is stacked too.
This is a must see match indeed.
Ha, this is the match to watch!
We were talking and the blue alliance looks to be an elimination team setup :)
I am glad i can see this match in person!
Corey Balint
18-04-2008, 10:40
My top robots have completely changed so far.
This division is incredible.
Also, does anyone think 48's safety escorts is a horrible idea? They are annoying and more importantly distracting. I heard someone else say this idea, which I thought was a great point. With them walking behind and screaming robot coming through at the top of their lungs, isn't that more distracting then just having the team just walk by with their arms up saying excuse me. When I hear someone scream behind me, I get startled stop what Im doing and look. It's far less safe
Tetraman
18-04-2008, 12:08
Galileo has THE best play-by-play announcer.
1075 did this at GTR on Saturday in 48's absence (we missed you guys!) and I think it was really good. The problem is that people don't pay attention and then someone accidentally runs over their toes or something... how is startling you to awareness unsafe?
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