Game Hint #1

[Ice Berg]

Anyway, would it be so hard for them to do a water game just so we quit obsessing over it? Maybe water would be the "game piece." Maybe buckets of water and robots have to move a certain amount of water to other buckets?

There was a game a while back where the game pieces were water filled balls.

[smartkid]

Very stupid question but did we ever figure out what those three numbers corresponded to last year? And if so was it before or after the kickoff?

[EricH]

Very stupid question but did we ever figure out what those three numbers corresponded to last year? And if so was it before or after the kickoff?Yes we did. Both. They were GPS coordinates of the next clue, the finish line of the Boston Marathon (or the Tortoise and the Hare statue, whichever you prefer). Before Kickoff, we found the clue area. After Kickoff, we found out what it meant.

[SalenaLynn]

Perhaps there is a moonlike object or lunar terrain, with a fishing task. a combination of several ideas? Perhaps we have to "fish" in craters?

I was thinking pretty much the same thing.
Only I would guess that we would be fishing from a box in the center of the field that the drives can not see into. Perhaps the box is on a raised platform in the center of the field and we need to mount our cameras in such a way that we can easily pick up some small(or smallish) object from the box and return it to an area on either our side or the opponent's side of the field. (Assuming we have alliances still) If not, to our own individual area/box.
Just a thought.

[Charlie]

i google earthed "opah" and got

36 45'04.00" N 96 17' 35.02" W

an elevation of 840 ft at marker and a large hill in the top left corner of the screen

and 3 small ponds

just fyi

[gorrilla]

i google earthed "opah" and got

36 45'04.00" N 96 17' 35.02" W

an elevation of 840 ft at marker and a large hill in the top left corner of the screen

and 3 small ponds

just fyi



i google mapped opah and got, Opah, OK, 74056?

i searched nearby, "frc" and got Team 2165, Team 1863, and Team 1209?

[Tottanka]

look what i found in the 'Opah' restaurant website, under 'the meaning of opah'.
This restaurant is the first result in google when searching for 'opah'.

http://www.opahrestaurant.com/whats-an-opah.htm

THE OPAH OR

“MOONFISH”

ONCE WAS VIEWED

AS GOOD LUCK

WHEN CAUGHT BY

OLD-TIME FISHERMEN

AND OFTEN GIVEN AWAY

AS A GESTURE OF

GOOD WILL

[njamietech]

i google earthed "opah" and got

36 45'04.00" N 96 17' 35.02" W

an elevation of 840 ft at marker and a large hill in the top left corner of the screen

and 3 small ponds

just fyihere is that image

[BigWhiteYeti]

As much as I would love a water game, I don't think it is going to happen anytime soon. Think about it; if a battery comes loose or we get a short circuit, how would you retrieve your bot? The whole pond would be charged.

I don't think the fish has anything literal to do with the game. It is probably something vague and unimportant about the word "fish" in the context of the game. Perhaps there is something related to fishing, like your manipulator might need a hook to pick up the pieces.

[Olde Bill]

With Google as a sponsor of FIRST, is it coincidence that Hint #1 is the first image to appear when you Google moonfish images? Also called sunfish and opah ... greek ... olympics ... Sydney Summer 2000 Olympics. Australian ... down under? Opah ... greek wedding ... smashing plates. Scale something like a silver dollar fish in an aquarium up to the size of a moonfish and the playing field becomes an aquarium. Why did the original 50K jpeg file grow to 86K when posted as a hint? Too many questions ... Too many answers.

[Chris Dunning]

this seriously makes me mad, lol
it's like we're robotics team members in season
detectives and forensic investigators off season, lol

[Enigma's puzzle]

I believe the individual game idea personally, they don't travel in schools that would be a typical 1st (not the acronym) clue. They want to give you something that will tell you about the game but not give it away.

Whoever has the job of developing clues, has an awesome job, im envious!

[stryker0603]

I think that the hint is not about the opah. I think it is about the unreadable text. It could mean that the field will have a message on a central platform that changes in between matches that only the cameras can read that will tell where the game pieces need to be scored for a large bonus.

[Anna B.]

I get it! Since it is a picture of a fish than we will only be able to use fisher price motors

[njamietech]

I get it! Since it is a picture of a fish than we will only be able to use fisher price motors

oh i hope not
:eek:
lol

[synth3tk]

look what i found in the 'Opah' restaurant website, under 'the meaning of opah'.
This restaurant is the first result in google when searching for 'opah'.

http://www.opahrestaurant.com/whats-an-opah.htm

THE OPAH OR

“MOONFISH”

ONCE WAS VIEWED

AS GOOD LUCK

WHEN CAUGHT BY

OLD-TIME FISHERMEN

AND OFTEN GIVEN AWAY

AS A GESTURE OF

GOOD WILL

This sounds more like the FRC game hints. I'm guessing there will be a "big" piece that teams need to go for.

[SalenaLynn]

This sounds more like the FRC game hints. I'm guessing there will be a "big" piece that teams need to go for.

Can we say Gracious Professionalism?

[Sam2197]

what is this deal about a password. im confused as to what all of you are talking about trying different things as a password

[Beta Version]

what is this deal about a password. im confused as to what all of you are talking about trying different things as a password

Some people are convinced that there is coded information stored in the image. Kinda silly really.

[tehpenguin]

An encryption was found in the hint.

There are many methods of hiding information in photographs. I was able to scan the image at the highest sensitivity for all the major types of encryption (jsteg, jphide, outguess, and invisible) The system of hiding information within photos was able to detect a hidden message. Now the methodology I used just exposes the type of hidden message and not the message itself. The message unfortunatly for us appears to be hidden in the JPHIDE which utilizes a password based encryption so without the password it will be impossible to figure out the message. Although we do know that there is something there.


****disclaimer: the way the analysis tools that I have scan the data it looks for missing voids in repeating color sections of the photo (complex photos with lots of colors are best for hiding). When I tested with normal sensitivity I didn't see any result, but on cranking up the sensitivity I found proof of an encryption. With all things like this it is possible to get a false positive, but since this is all for fun anyway we can just assume it is there.



so what do we think the password is? I might try to make a dictionary and brute force it later after I am done with the bench top test of the new control system.

So there might be information in the picture, I just don't think it was from FRC
because there was an encryption on the the same pictures that were found on the internet.

[synth3tk]

Can we say Gracious Professionalism?
I was just saying this sounds more inline with how the hints relate to the game. I was essentially agreeing with the quoted post, not condemning it.

[RoboGeek99]

i continue to hold that the important thing of the clue is not the picture itself (including the so-called inscription) but the many things the fish represents...
the 2 sides of the moon (2 sided gamefield)
Being given away (something to do with gracious professionalism)
Vertical migration (climbing)
its prominent at 34 degree latitude (ramp angle)
and its four colors (4 types of game pieces)

but it looks like we are all starting to go in circles so it might be best to give the clue a rest until the next hint

[njamietech]

i continue to hold that the important thing of the clue is not the picture itself (including the so-called inscription) but the many things the fish represents...
the 2 sides of the moon (2 sided gamefield)
Being given away (something to do with gracious professionalism)
Vertical migration (climbing)
its prominent at 34 degree latitude (ramp angle)
and its four colors (4 types of game pieces)

but it looks like we are all starting to go in circles so it might be best to give the clue a rest until the next hint

isn't verticle migration where the fish swims to a certain depth and back at specific points of a 24 hour period.

eg:

some fish in deep parts of the ocean swim to the surface each night to feed.

maybe this means that there will be times where we work on our own and when we work together.

or maybe it refers to some other type of game that has time periods

or maybe im wrong.

Hmmm....

[tehpenguin]

i continue to hold that the important thing of the clue is not the picture itself (including the so-called inscription) but the many things the fish represents...
the 2 sides of the moon (2 sided gamefield)
Being given away (something to do with gracious professionalism)
Vertical migration (climbing)
its prominent at 34 degree latitude (ramp angle)
and its four colors (4 types of game pieces)

but it looks like we are all starting to go in circles so it might be best to give the clue a rest until the next hint


I think you're right that the clues is what the fish represents. If it was anything else then we would have to use a computer program to find what is it the picture and many people may not have the equipment or the programs to do it. The only way to allow everyone at the chance of finding what the hint means is if clue is about what the fish represents.

I know this argument has been posted before but a good deal of people seem to focus on the what's in the picture and not what the picture represents.

[RoboGeek99]

I think you're right that the clues is what the fish represents. If it was anything else then we would have to use a computer program to find what is it the picture and many people may not have the equipment or the programs to do it. The only way to allow everyone at the chance of finding what the hint means is if clue is about what the fish represents.

I know this argument has been posted before but a good deal of people seem to focus on the what's in the picture and not what the picture represents.

FIRST is all about being as fair and even to all the teams as possible so they wouldnt encript anything seeing as how many (if not most) are not as handy with software like that (myself included)...unless someone has something that would completely prove me wrong i think ill stay the same:rolleyes:

PS- You know that robotics season is here when you bring your food to the computer so not miss anything on CD

[hihihiflcl81pig]

Can we say Gracious Professionalism?

I agree with you, that does REALLY sound like Gracious Professionalism (hint hint, you might want to run this be the judges at the competition ;D)

Theres only one thing, FIRST has never had a web search that leads us to a quote at some random web site.

As I was catching up this with the forum today there were still too many people way over thinking this. Step back, this clue isn't that hard.

I personally still stand by my newest idea that we are all Fish out of water

[njamietech]

hmmm....

someone needs to go through and do what i did last year...

take all the ideas so far and put them into categories and then post all the main categories onto CD.

that way we can filter out what has already been said and help stimulate the production of fresh new ideas.

I would do it myself but i've got finals tomorrow and tuesday. (then im done w00t!).

thats my 2 cents.

[Dantvman27]

you guys are missing the obvious and i have already solved the clue


according to its wiki page it is also known as the "Jerusalem haddock" so clearly we are building machines to combat the anti-christ.

[MikeMascaro]

I still stand by the belief we're just "fishing" for something.

[Dan2081]

I love fish

[JM987]

I think with all of the rumors of it being a water game this is why FIRST chose a game hint such as a fish to kind of mess with us. I dont think that they will allow the risk of the brand new electronics system that has just been put out on a water game, impossible. But i think the fish is a funny game hint that can tie into something else such as the fish being a moonfish and there being a moonlike terrain.. :rolleyes:

[RoboGeek99]

After all of this opah talk im ready for a nice moonfish fillet with a side of fries...who is with me?:rolleyes:

[smurfgirl]

After all of this opah talk im ready for a nice moonfish fillet with a side of fries...who is with me?:rolleyes:

Hey good thought... maybe this game hint is really just news that Dave is opting for a healthier diet, and has replaced his usual Krispy Kremes with opah. Fish is brain food, you know.

[mrbob1000]

i like the idea of fishing, fishing is relaxing, i have no idea what robot fishing will be like though... could be difficult.

[synth3tk]

After all of this opah talk im ready for a nice moonfish fillet with a side of fries...who is with me?:rolleyes:
Here, here!!! :D Although my family just had catfish yesterday, so it's all good...

[RoBoCrAzY155]

I messed with tha original picture from the usfrist site to see if I could make out the text behind the fish. Can anyone read this? Just trying to help.

[synth3tk]

Since some people hate me for it (though that doesn't matter) I'll spare the image to show you where it is.
But, searching the thread would've yielded a few beneficial posts, including three or five which already concluded that the background text is either irrelevant or too distorted to figure it out.

[TheNewGuy#7]

Hmmm, the words look like they are either in a different language, or are backwards... Try reversing the image and doing the same thing. I think that the image was scanned directly out of a book, and the little pieces of image behind the fish look like another fish, so I'm concluding that the text has nothing important to do with he game and is just a detailed summary of some other fish :P.

[gorrilla]

Since some people hate me for it (though that doesn't matter) I'll spare the image to show you where it is.
But, searching the thread would've yielded a few beneficial posts, including three or five which already concluded that the background text is either irrelevant or too distorted to figure it out.



true, but you have to remember that everyone is really excited, and when people get excited, things get rushed.

[hihihiflcl81pig]

I think with all of the rumors of it being a water game this is why FIRST chose a game hint such as a fish to kind of mess with us. I dont think that they will allow the risk of the brand new electronics system that has just been put out on a water game, impossible. But i think the fish is a funny game hint that can tie into something else such as the fish being a moonfish and there being a moonlike terrain.. :rolleyes:

It would be REALLY mean if FIRST were to have all sea related images, and not have the real game be water related. Or just naming a term "Fishing" or a game peace "Bait".

No matter what, a water problem is out of the picture. People have said there is a danger of shocking yourself, shorting the bot, etc. Yet, no one has said that it is nearly impossible to actually test the robot. Our high school doesn't have a pool, and I don't think that the rec-center down the street would be to happy with something contaminating/ chipping the bottom of their pool.

[RoboGeek99]

i dont know how many times ive read that the image was scanned out of a book...getting kinda old...i think ill borrow a phrase "search the thread is your friend"...weve decided (at least 5 times) that the words are illegible and its most likely not part of the hint...everyone is just going on circles now...i really hope that they throw in the next hint soon

[smurfgirl]

i dont know how many times ive read that the image was scanned out of a book...getting kinda old...i think ill borrow a phrase "search the thread is your friend"...weve decided (at least 5 times) that the words are illegible and its most likely not part of the hint...everyone is just going on circles now...i really hope that they throw in the next hint soon

Actually, someone found exactly what the text is (posted earlier in this thread), but it's just the description of the fish on the page before (aka not relevant to the hint.

[Rich Kressly]

Dave's at it again...
his Facebook status leads you here:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IhJQp-q1Y1s

Gah....make it stop!

[Peter Randall]

Ok, so I've waded through most of the posts - lots of creative ideas. I have one question. If FIRST wanted to convey a hint about fish, of the millions of images about the multitude of different species of fish, why did they pick this one? As the image is not original, it was specifically selected for a characteristic. I believe that the hint must be specific to the Opah or one of its alternative names or characteristics. Of all the suggestions, I like the Moon, Fish, Ocean game concept the best.

Follow the logic from the GDC perspective. A Rock, Paper & Scissors type game - how can we obfuscate that in a plausible hint?

Rock, Paper & Scissors -> Moon, Fish, Ocean -> moon fish -> Opah -> Ok, let’s go find the most cryptic image we can find on Google images that can be clearly identified as an Opah thus providing a single plausible path, but which also provides a multitude of false leads.

PGR

[JaneYoung]

Dave's at it again...
his Facebook status leads you here:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IhJQp-q1Y1s

Gah....make it stop!

Dave is slap happy.

[DMetalKong]

Dave's at it again...
his Facebook status leads you here:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IhJQp-q1Y1s

Gah....make it stop!

The game this year: cut down the biggest tree in the forest, with a HERRING! *gasp*

[EricH]

Dave is slap happy.I move that as many people as can make it to the Kickoff do that sketch with the full GDC. Then do it again with just Dave and/or Aidan at any events they attend.:p

[njamietech]

Dave's at it again...
his Facebook status leads you here:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IhJQp-q1Y1s

Gah....make it stop!

MONTY PYTHON IS AWESOME!!!!!!

[IndySam]

The game this year: cut down the biggest tree in the forest, with a HERRING! *gasp*

nee

[hipsterjr]

I don't know if anyone actually remembers, but "rack and roll" had fish as the game clue. So lets focus on the connections of the fish to that game THEN try to make some parallels for this year.

[khr1stian]

lil bit 'o photoshopping:
http://i143.photobucket.com/albums/r127/cap741/clue1-contastbrightness.jpg
ill post a better one after i figure out how to clarify more of the text

[EricH]

I don't know if anyone actually remembers, but "rack and roll" had fish as the game clue. Some lets focus on the connections of the fish to that game THEN try to make some parallels for this year.Not the official hint. Though the game did have some red herrings associated with it (gee, thanks, Dave).

Oh, and any photoshop you do, someone has probably done for you. Please search the thread-- it's in the thread's orange bar.

[Nin_estarSaerah]

Then do it again with just Dave and/or Aidan at any events they attend.:p

Aidan is one of our old mentors. im pretty sure we still have " Aidan on a stick" (a picture of aidan glued to a yardstick) somewhere around the shop. Anyone want to borrow it to vent frustrations about the game? Jk, Aidan, we love you.

[IndySam]

lil bit 'o photoshopping:
http://i143.photobucket.com/albums/r127/cap741/clue1-contastbrightness.jpg
ill post a better one after i figure out how to clarify more of the text

OMG OMG OMG OMG :)

[ChuckDickerson]

Ok, so I've waded through most of the posts - lots of creative ideas. I have one question. If FIRST wanted to convey a hint about fish, of the millions of images about the multitude of different species of fish, why did they pick this one? As the image is not original, it was specifically selected for a characteristic. I believe that the hint must be specific to the Opah or one of its alternative names or characteristics. Of all the suggestions, I like the Moon, Fish, Ocean game concept the best.

Follow the logic from the GDC perspective. A Rock, Paper & Scissors type game - how can we obfuscate that in a plausible hint?

Rock, Paper & Scissors -> Moon, Fish, Ocean -> moon fish -> Opah -> Ok, let’s go find the most cryptic image we can find on Google images that can be clearly identified as an Opah thus providing a single plausible path, but which also provides a multitude of false leads.

PGR


This was my logic exactly. If we are thinking like the GDC then the next obvious question is how do you play “rock, paper, scissors” or the new Zen version “moon, fish, ocean” with robots? I have always thought of “rock, paper, scissors” as a two player game while “moon, fish, ocean” can be played with 1, 2, or 3 players (according to www.moonfishocean.com). What could this mean for alliances?

We should also consider that the clue might be leading us not to the game “moon, fish, ocean” but the game’s creator Craig Conley. Check out www.oneletterwords.com. Maybe something about this grand master of words is what we are supposed to figure out?

[R.C.]

I think the relationship between the 07 and the 09 game hint is that they both have ramps involved. Instead of building one you have to climb one at 34 degrees. I really do think that there will be a terrain change which causes teams to redesign their chassis a tad or teams may have to add more friction to their wheels.

[RoboGeek99]

I think the relationship between the 07 and the 09 game hint is that they both have ramps involved. Instead of building one you have to climb one at 34 degrees. I really do think that there will be a terrain change which causes teams to redesign their chassis a tad or teams may have to add more friction to their wheels.

there we go i think were back in the right direction...ive read the entire thread (blah) and ive seen the 34 degree thing everywhere i just dont know how it was brought up (or dont member)...as for the terrain i think it will be two different terrains (the field will be divided in two) bc of the light and dark side of the moon

[Ice Berg]

I mentioned the dark and light side of the moon thing before and I still agree with that, but I don't think it can be that and the 34 degree ramp at the same time because 34 was a number gotten from the latitude or longitude that the fish is found at. I think the chances that they found a fish whose name applies to the game, and is found at a long/lat that is applicable as well is very unlikely. However, I do agree with you that there will be some sort of uneven terrain, but not necessarily something at 34 degrees.

[R.C.]

I mentioned the dark and light side of the moon thing before and I still agree with that, but I don't think it can be that and the 34 degree ramp at the same time because 34 was a number gotten from the latitude or longitude that the fish is found at. I think the chances that they found a fish whose name applies to the game, and is found at a long/lat that is applicable as well is very unlikely. However, I do agree with you that there will be some sort of uneven terrain, but not necessarily something at 34 degrees.

How steep were the ramps from 07 made, they were pretty steep and some were not. Maybe the ramps are about 30 degree ish. The terrain could be like two sides and the game could be a mix of stack attack and the aim high. Two sides of the field and a big ramp in the middle. For all we know a mix of everything. 07's ramp, 06's two side playing, 05's different color objects, 04's (stack attack i think) ramp in the middle, 08's ir ability. Maybe first wants us to use alll the resources possible and make some cool, innovated robots. Also, this would be a year to level the field off.

Just some thoughts (i have read this entire post and keep posting away, random ideas are awesome; better than none) :yikes:

[Ice Berg]

So I was trying to imagine how the GDC makes their hints and, obviously not for the firstclue, I would imagine they base the hints off ideas posted on CD that are false leads. This in fact could help when we get the next hint. We could eliminate what seems to be consistent with both hints (they wouldn't be that obvious). However, while I write this I figure that "hey the GDC will probably read this too" and then do some reverse psychology to further throw us off. I guess basically what I'm trying to say is the deeper we look into each, the more confusing the next one will be.

[ZInventor]

So I was trying to imagine how the GDC makes their hints and, obviously not for the firstclue, I would imagine they base the hints off ideas posted on CD that are false leads. This in fact could help when we get the next hint. We could eliminate what seems to be consistent with both hints (they wouldn't be that obvious). However, while I write this I figure that "hey the GDC will probably read this too" and then do some reverse psychology to further throw us off. I guess basically what I'm trying to say is the deeper we look into each, the more confusing the next one will be.

Agreed...

The GDC is comprised of :ahh: :ahh: !!!EVIL GENIUSES!!! :ahh: :ahh:

-Z

[MDiff]

these game hints are in general pretty useless
why bother speculating?
for fun =D

now a friend and i were having fun running down random routes that this could mean, and the most amusing we derived was:

Opah => Opa => flaming cheese => cheese => cheese wedge => triangle => TRIANGLE GAME PIECES!

But, one must also note, that these clues can be totally useless
Remember 07?
the 7 on the diamond steel plate?
All it was, was part of the field
the 7 meant nothing, nor did the circle, nor the steel plate.
One needn't invest so much time in looking into the clues.

[EricH]

Remember 07?
the 7 on the diamond steel plate?
All it was, was part of the field
the 7 meant nothing, nor did the circle, nor the steel plate.
One needn't invest so much time in looking into the clues.Technically, that was a 5, though it could just as easily have been any other number between 1 and 8, inclusive. The circle was an inner tube, as was figured out. I seem to recall that the picture was of a blue tube on the top level of the scoring structure... And things were figured out to some extent for the second year in a row at least.

I'm guessing that a) we've hit something about the game and don't know it and b) there's more coming...

[EricH]

i think u guys are thinking to hard and if is a 34 degrees slant just and add more gears to ur weels mabey a 25 or 35 chain wouldn't that fix the problem?
If it's a 34 degree slant, the existing 6WD concepts should make it easily--that's only 4 degrees steeper than the one in 2006. Might be about the slope of some of the 2007 ramps, too--and how many teams couldn't get up them? (Given the time, that is--it's kind of hard to go up a narrow ramp with only 15-20 seconds left when you come screaming in from the other end of the field.)

[Jmasta]

I think since the clue is a fish, we may need hooks to get the game peice. or the game peices will be in a bucket or large container instead of all around the field

[xxsumz]

YES!!!!!! you know what this means......


WATER GAME!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I doubt it will be a water game. I see it pointless to build a robot then ruin it in the water.

[Flare_Eyes]

I doubt it will be a water game. I see it pointless to build a robot then ruin it in the water.

true that it is pointless.
they're just trying to confuse us ;)

[M. Gildner]

you know how the same image was found online with an older date than the one first posted, well has anyone tried finding the author, may be waste of time but just a thought.

[qwertyuiop[]\]

rampBOTS. also teams with narrow ramps werent the smartest. Fold out ramps all the way.

[codye91]

The fish is an Opah, also referred to as the "moon-fish"

Moonfish is also the name of an audio tracker program for windows.

Moonfish is also the name of a digital media agency based in the UK.

As far as the text goes... I still have no idea.

[fhx34]

you need to make the robot fish for moon fish lol
(i don't get that ither it was a bad idea and i shouldn't have said it) sry

[Elgin Clock]

OMG!! New info amongst all the repeats here!!! w000000!!! :D
Anyways:

http://www.imdb.com/media/rm2032769024/ch0041906

John Ratzenberger was the voice of a school of Moonfish in the movie Finding NEMO.

On top of that movie credit to his name, he is the founder of a program with very similar ideals of FIRST.

http://www.nutsandboltsfoundation.org/

And the plot thickens... :yikes:

[jaz]

How about a game similar to a kids carnval game where you use a magnet and a stick to pull fish out of a barrel.

I would like to see a game based upon A Big Fat Greek Wedding - where we pick up plates and smash them on the floor. Opah!:cool:

[Tottanka]

OMG!! New info amongst all the repeats here!!! w000000!!! :D
Anyways:

http://www.imdb.com/media/rm2032769024/ch0041906

John Ratzenberger was the voice of a school of Moonfish in the movie Finding NEMO.

On top of that movie credit to his name, he is the founder of a program with very similar ideals of FIRST.

http://www.nutsandboltsfoundation.org/

And the plot thickens... :yikes:

WOW That's a sweet find!

[Andrew Schuetze]

So what we need from the GDC in the next clue / hint is a reference to any lyric on the Pink Floyd album "Darkside of the Moon (http://www.google.com/musicl?lid=ngmdBAKY_wF&aid=kteLDMrjybG&sa=X&oi=music&ct=result)."

[Elgin Clock]

WOW That's a sweet find!

Thanks.
But... there is only one thing that is getting to me with that new find. The Opa (or Moonfish) is a loner fish & are not usually found in schools* going by all the descriptions we have found so far, so why would Pixar make them a school???

Kind of odd.



* http://www.state.hi.us/dbedt/seafood/opah.html
Opah are not found in schools, and thus are not caught in any quantity.

[GaryVoshol]

OMG!! New info amongst all the repeats here!!! w000000!!! :D
Anyways:

http://www.imdb.com/media/rm2032769024/ch0041906

John Ratzenberger was the voice of a school of Moonfish in the movie Finding NEMO.

On top of that movie credit to his name, he is the founder of a program with very similar ideals of FIRST.

http://www.nutsandboltsfoundation.org/

And the plot thickens... :yikes:
Oh man, we're back to mailboxes!

[eschanz]

I also think that it could have something to do with the dot pattern on the fish. As mentioned before, the new camera this year is going to have a lot of capabilities and I think one of those is shape/pattern recognition. I also like the aforementioned idea of having the drivers windows painted black so that they can't see and must navigate using the camera.

If that is true then i think most people will have trouble using the camera to drive the bot.

The only thing i can think of is having it identify colored "fish" and some colors are worth more, also the more points the "fish" are the heavier they might be,to take longer to reel in.

[Alan Anderson]

John Ratzenberger was the voice of a school of Moonfish in the movie Finding NEMO.

Well done! That opens up several new fertile fields of speculation.

And I had just decided that this would be my last check of the thread. I thought reading it any further would be pointless. Thanks for giving me a reason to indulge my addiction. :-P

(Didn't we already find that moonfish are solitary, and don't do schools?)

[Elgin Clock]

(Didn't we already find that moonfish are solitary, and don't do schools?)

Yeah, I'm questioning that (The Pixar representation of them as a school) a few posts later:
http://www.chiefdelphi.com/forums/showpost.php?p=780974&postcount=576

[njamietech]

Yeah, I'm questioning that (The Pixar representation of them as a school) a few posts later:
http://www.chiefdelphi.com/forums/showpost.php?p=780974&postcount=576

that confuses me as well as the fish in the movie look nothing like the fish in the picture.

(no red fins)

[Brandon Holley]

Yeah, I'm questioning that (The Pixar representation of them as a school) a few posts later:
http://www.chiefdelphi.com/forums/showpost.php?p=780974&postcount=576

The fish in finding nemo may be called moonfish, but the clue most certainly does not look like the fish in the movie by any means.

Also, I once saw an episode of Iron Chef where the "secret ingredient" was Opah...and those fish are HUGE!

[eschanz]

:confused: :) :yikes: :eek: :mad:

[njamietech]

:confused: :) :yikes: :eek: :mad:

ummmmm...

can we stay focused pleaze

[eschanz]

:confused: :) :yikes: :eek: :mad:

just got bored of everone talking about the same stuff

[EricH]

just got bored of everone talking about the same stuffWhat else is there to talk about? Game hint #2 hasn't come out yet, if there is one.

[njamietech]

What else is there to talk about? Game hint #2 hasn't come out yet, if there is one.


I really hope there is one

For my sanity's sake

[lbl1731]

OMG!! New info amongst all the repeats here!!! w000000!!! :D
Anyways:

http://www.imdb.com/media/rm2032769024/ch0041906

John Ratzenberger was the voice of a school of Moonfish in the movie Finding NEMO.

On top of that movie credit to his name, he is the founder of a program with very similar ideals of FIRST.

http://www.nutsandboltsfoundation.org/

And the plot thickens... :yikes:

Then maybe there's a connection with the shapes the fish make in the movie. The pirate ship, the octopus, the lobster....Or even just the fact that the fish are changing shape at all. Working together to change shape. (alliances)
These things could have something to do with the game.
The scenario would be this; Member of GDC watching nemo, saw the fish, got idea, did a quick search, found out they were moonfish, didn't want to use the same fish because that would be too obvious, google search, first picture, game hint.

[smurfgirl]

I really hope there is one

For my sanity's sake

I'm guessing since it was labeled "Game Hint #1" on usfirst.org, it means there is at least one more hint coming our way. One hint isn't enough to hold us through until January!

[Tottanka]

Then maybe there's a connection with the shapes the fish make in the movie. The pirate ship, the octopus, the lobster....Or even just the fact that the fish are changing shape at all. Working together to change shape. (alliances)
These things could have something to do with the game.
The scenario would be this; Member of GDC watching nemo, saw the fish, got idea, did a quick search, found out they were moonfish, didn't want to use the same fish because that would be too obvious, google search, first picture, game hint.

I will eat a whole shop of hats if that is true...

C'mon guys, let's not get ridiculous....

[njamietech]

Then maybe there's a connection with the shapes the fish make in the movie. The pirate ship, the octopus, the lobster....Or even just the fact that the fish are changing shape at all. Working together to change shape. (alliances)
These things could have something to do with the game.
The scenario would be this; Member of GDC watching nemo, saw the fish, got idea, did a quick search, found out they were moonfish, didn't want to use the same fish because that would be too obvious, google search, first picture, game hint.

This explanation actually makes sense

maybe this our answer?

Edit: although it does seem too good to be true

Edit 2: didn't we think last year that the clue had something to do with national treasure?

[jax1488]

Right now mr dave lavery is reading all these posts and laughing a very evil laugh.

cause we all know what this game is going to be..

not a single thing you guys are mentioning.

lol:D

[MikeMascaro]

Yeah last year everyone thought it had to do with national treasure. We ended up racing instead. :p

[Tottanka]

Yeah last year everyone thought it had to do with national treasure. We ended up racing instead. :p

Actually, many people figured out it was a race last year.
Problem is, even if you guess right and are 100% sure it is the game, you won't even start thinking about a design, as you are sure you are wrong..

[JaneYoung]

Ok, so here's what I've been thinking about for a day or two.

I looked up the Pixar/NEMO/moonfish thing a couple of days ago and got a look at those fish. I liked the fact that moonfish were in NEMO because of the movie and Pixar. I didn't like the fact that they were in a school and the brief research I've done shows them as loners and leaves enough gray area that I can't get a really good grip on their habits or much about them. They seem to be popular in the area of games. I even found an invisible moonfish board of sorts. But, nothing seems really concrete to me - a lot seems murky, hard to grasp.

It's fun, though. One thing for sure, this tale is going to be a whopper before it's over.

[Zflash]

Stirs the pot some....Opah Oklahoma....Stirs the pot again.

[Elgin Clock]

Stirs the pot some....Opah Oklahoma....Stirs the pot again.

Oh no!!!
Now we have a geographical location to throw into the mix yet again?!?!?!?!

::groan:: :ahh:

Then again, a quick Google Maps look at that area makes it look kinda boring. (No offense to any Oklahoma residents in the house... lol)
Although, there seems to be a lake in that town in the shape of a shark! Ahahahaha!

[Zflash]

Although, there seems to be a lake in that town in the shape of a shark! Ahahahaha!

I was hoping someonelse would pick up on that.

[njamietech]

I was hoping someonelse would pick up on that.

ROFL

:D :P :D

[Elgin Clock]

I was hoping someone else would pick up on that.

Glad to be of service! :cool:

[GDCI1244]

If that is true then i think most people will have trouble using the camera to drive the bot.

The only thing i can think of is having it identify colored "fish" and some colors are worth more, also the more points the "fish" are the heavier they might be,to take longer to reel in.

I also thought that teams were not aloud to use monitors...

[ttldomination]

Interesting find.... At the first store, they've put up the game kit's. http://www.logoloc.com/first/RNR/2009GamesKits.html The picture I found most interesting is the one atached. Could the game peices be pucks?

These are the game pieces for the FTC game, Face-Off. The FRC game has not been released yet.

[synth3tk]

Although, there seems to be a lake in that town in the shape of a shark! Ahahahaha!
Oh goodness, you've "fed the sharks" again...

:p

[JaneYoung]

I did searches in this thread for the data tagging they've done on the moonfish and also what they are prey to. I came up short, was that stuff mentioned?

[njamietech]

I did searches in this thread for the data tagging they've done on the moonfish and also what they are prey to. I came up short, was that stuff mentioned?

I dont think so....

[JaneYoung]

I dont think so....

check it out...

[njamietech]

check it out...

i checked answers.com (http://www.answers.com/topic/opah) but couldn't find anything on what eats them. alothough there is some other stuff there.

Edit: also checked Encarta.msn.com (pretty much useless). Thats all the places I know to check.

[Zflash]

Originally Posted by Elgin Clock
Although, there seems to be a lake in that town in the shape of a shark! Ahahahaha!

I was hoping someonelse would pick up on that.

The main predators are humans great white sharks and mako sharks. hence the possible signifigance of Opah Oklahoma's "Shark" Lake.

[billbo911]

One question I can not find a definitive answer for is: "Why is opah called moonfish?"
I see a couple opinions, but nothing certain. I have my thoughts on why, but until I see a concrete answer I will avoid spewing out another suggestion for game possibilities.

So, can anyone help?

[Suspect_Deezy]

hmmmmmm,... i've been reading this thread for hours now,...
but still pondering

hhhmmmmm

[ATannahill]

Check out this animation from NASA about multiple levels on Mars
http://www.nasa.gov/mov/295588main_mro20081204-480.mov

Any comments Dave?

[cygnus.x1]

Here's an interesting paper that might be tied to the Opah hint and using the new camera system:

Computer vision and robotics techniques in fish farms (http://portal.acm.org/citation.cfm?id=978841&dl=GUIDE&coll=GUIDE&CFID=13836516)


Abstract:

This paper presents new low-cost systems for the automation of some fish farm operations. Particularly, computer vision is applied to non-contact fish weight estimation. Stereo vision systems with synchronised convergent cameras are employed to perform fish 3-D segmentation in tanks and sea cages. Several pre-processing algorithms are applied to compensate for illumination local variations. The approach applied for fish 3-D segmentation consists in detecting in both images certain fish features. Once these points have been detected and validated in both images, the fish are 3-D segmented by applying stereo vision matching considerations. Fish weight is estimated by using simple length-weight relations well known in the aquaculture domain. The paper also briefly describes robotics systems for fish feeding and underwater pond cleaning, which can be also used to implement the above mentioned computer vision techniques for the fish estimation.

Hmm?

[waialua359]

I'm assuming that since they can be in excess of 100+ pounds, the only predators would be sharks and a few others.
Soft, white meat which tastes pretty good but they are ugly!

[jacksparrowlov6]

It's also called a "Moon Fish" comes from Hawaii.

yea it has very limited vision and lives in open waters in many differnent terains


possible limited vision for driver and u have to navigate open terrain??

[Bryan Herbst]

Here's an interesting paper that might be tied to the Opah hint and using the new camera system:

Computer vision and robotics techniques in fish farms (http://portal.acm.org/citation.cfm?id=978841&dl=GUIDE&coll=GUIDE&CFID=13836516)


Abstract:

This paper presents new low-cost systems for the automation of some fish farm operations. Particularly, computer vision is applied to non-contact fish weight estimation. Stereo vision systems with synchronised convergent cameras are employed to perform fish 3-D segmentation in tanks and sea cages. Several pre-processing algorithms are applied to compensate for illumination local variations. The approach applied for fish 3-D segmentation consists in detecting in both images certain fish features. Once these points have been detected and validated in both images, the fish are 3-D segmented by applying stereo vision matching considerations. Fish weight is estimated by using simple length-weight relations well known in the aquaculture domain. The paper also briefly describes robotics systems for fish feeding and underwater pond cleaning, which can be also used to implement the above mentioned computer vision techniques for the fish estimation.

Hmm?
This sounds like a reasonable guess. We could possibly be doing something involving grabbing something (fishlike possibly) out of a tank or other holding area, using an arm, and different items are worth different points, giving an advantage in autonomous mode to teams using vision stuff.

[njamietech]

BEHAVIOR

There are no published observations of living Lampris. Swimming behavior has been inferred from the anatomical and morphological features of the pectoral fin. The massive shoulder girdle; the presence of extensive pectoral musculature, including a large red muscle mass; and the horizontal placement of the pectoral fin base suggest that the opah swims by pectoral-fin "flapping." This unusual swimming mode apparently allows the opah to swim rapidly, since it is an effective predator of active prey. Records of occurrence of opah are sporadic and widespread, suggesting that the species is a solitary wanderer in the world's oceans.



i noticed something new (huzza!)

in the above paragraph it mentions the "pectoral flapping" method of swimming

maybe we have to use a new method of getting around the field.

this would fit in with the bills blog post early in the semester that warned against pre-planning your design due to some sort of change (paraphrase).

any thoughts?

[NorviewsVeteran]

well the FTC had those stupid rough terrain sections, maybe they're just going to scale them up or make them worse.

[Renee Becker-Blau]

A variation of the Sharks and Minnows game, w/o the water

(I have to say it- WATER GAME! *_* jk)

[jacksparrowlov6]

Check out this animation from NASA about multiple levels on Mars
http://www.nasa.gov/mov/295588main_mro20081204-480.mov

Any comments Dave?

MARS LAND ROVER REMAKE!!!!!

[jacksparrowlov6]

A variation of the Sharks and Minnows game, w/o the water

(I have to say it- WATER GAME! *_* jk)

didnt think of that but that could be a possiblity!

good thinking

[JaneYoung]

I have my thoughts on why, but until I see a concrete answer I will avoid spewing out another suggestion for game possibilities.


Does this mean you are going to start singing? :)

I looked up some hyponyms and other names for moonfish..there are a few.

[billbo911]

Does this mean you are going to start singing? :)

I looked up some hyponyms and other names for moonfish..there are a few.

Actually the expression I should have used is closer to "regurgitating another possibility."

What I'm looking for is more along the lines of their behavior that might lead to them being referred to as "moonfish". Do they feed more at night? Do they use moonlight to see in the dark? Is it just because of their shape?.....

I'm thinking along the lines of needing to use the vision system. You must admit, FIRST has put an emphasis on it in the past.

[hipsterjr]

Dave has been too quite. You would think he would have dropped a couple drops of blood in this clue feeding frenzy by now.:confused:

[GGCO]

Maybe we already figured out what the clue is............?

[njamietech]

Dave has been too quite. You would think he would have dropped a couple drops of blood in this clue feeding frenzy by now.:confused:

Or maybe it is his evil plot to drive us all to insanity by remaining silent.

Mwahahahahaha! <--(what dave is saying right now)

[logicalyrandom]

So far, all we have are two fishes and a bit of morphology text. Based upon this information, I predict that the game will involve capture the flag. /Nostradamus

[Optimogdor]

Isn't moonfish a prison term? I think it is. It its a term for one of the inmates that is marked to be "taken out" by an opposing prison gang. Maybe there will be an actual inmate in the ring and it will be our job to kill him without him breaking out. 2 members of the team will work guard duty and one will hold the knife. This game will be awesome!

[njamietech]

Isn't moonfish a prison term? I think it is. It its a term for one of the inmates that is marked to be "taken out" by an opposing prison gang. Maybe there will be an actual inmate in the ring and it will be our job to kill him without him breaking out. 2 members of the team will work guard duty and one will hold the knife. This game will be awesome!

:eek: :ahh: :eek: :ahh:

:P

[Benjwgarner]

Wow. Speculation hurts my brain. Anyway, the most likely solution to this hint is that we'll be fishing in a box or somewhere where the drivers can't see. There will be game pieces of different colors, and different colors will be either different points or for a different alliances (like the trackballs last year.) FIRST wouldn't have included the camera unless it was needed for the challenge.

[Tottanka]

Isn't moonfish a prison term? I think it is. It its a term for one of the inmates that is marked to be "taken out" by an opposing prison gang. Maybe there will be an actual inmate in the ring and it will be our job to kill him without him breaking out. 2 members of the team will work guard duty and one will hold the knife. This game will be awesome!

The exact term in jail is just "fish", nothing more.

[RoboGeek99]

I really hope there is one

For my sanity's sake

me too my mind is just about about mush after all this hint talking...

PS if youre from sfa why dont you drop on by on our team see if you could help us out during build season we could alway use the help...were from lufkin its going to be our second year...and a good one from what ive read so far

[njamietech]

me too my mind is just about about mush after all this hint talking...

PS if youre from sfa why dont you drop on by on our team see if you could help us out during build season we could alway use the help...were from lufkin its going to be our second year...and a good one from what ive read so far

if i can find a way to get to lufkin id be glad to help.

Edit: i currently don't have a car

[rotolomi]

i highly doubt the game has anything to do with water... and the writing probably is insignificant to the hint. maybe the name of the fish means something? lampris guttatus is the latin name.

http://www.chiefdelphi.com/forums/image.php?u=9004&dateline=1139719011

[RoboGeek99]

i highly doubt the game has anything to do with water... and the writing probably is insignificant to the hint. maybe the name of the fish means something? lampris guttatus is the latin name.

http://www.chiefdelphi.com/forums/image.php?u=9004&dateline=1139719011

wow... i havent heard that one before:rolleyes:

[MiniNerd24]

Could they be indicating the circles on the fish?

[pinballwizard96]

I kinda like an idea of robots having to traverse a walkway suspended above water and drop objects into a pool with holes in it for points - thus the robots do not have to interact with the water and the new systems provide depth perception
(if it is even water -- I doubt)

FIRST n00b - crazy ideas

[R.C.]

well the FTC had those stupid rough terrain sections, maybe they're just going to scale them up or make them worse.

Any Pics of this?

[pinballwizard96]

my rough sketch

[MiniNerd24]

I don't know if this has bee posted but i think it's a sun fish... is that a clue?

[Dragonos]

It could have something to do with a torch and neck based on the latin name.
BTW @ pinballwizard96 won't the bots fall in the water possibly?

[pinballwizard96]

walls, rails, barriers, call it what you want

[Siberrus]

I found this when increasing sharpness and contrast. It has poka dots or a grid. Robotic checkers?
I also found something else and will post it later. Don't know if this is any help...

[Siberrus]

Here's the next thing I found... a cryptic message? Also, there seems to be a blotch where nothing seems to be in the upper portion. I think I see letters hidden into it. I made this by sharpening the image multiple times.

[MiniNerd24]

Speaking of picture findings the language in the pic can be read better when you inver the colors. sorry it's still a bit blurry
7006

[Tom I]

So I'd like to appologise in advanced if this has already been discovered, but has anyone found where this picture came from? if it was from a book what was it's title? To me that seems like the best chance we have for getting an edge. (however futile this attempt is, its still fun!)

[Optimogdor]

May I just say, the control system quick start guide refrences attaching wires to a "shank". I would not throw out my Prison oriented game just yet!

[Musicninja]

I doubt that there will be water anywhere in the task. Water+ electronics do not mix, especially when people are handling them.

[Musicninja]

What about him???

[njamietech]

nooooooooooooooooo....

you messed up the screen size

lol

[bobwrit]

I doubt that there will be water anywhere in the task. Water+ electronics do not mix, especially when people are handling them.

Well, if the water is ultrapure(lacking salts) then water is acualy a realy good insulator, but I agree that it probaly wont be a game which water is involved. Mostly because of how hard it would be to keep the water ultrapure...

[Tom I]

Well, if the water is ultrapure(lacking salts) then water is acualy a realy good insulator, but I agree that it probaly wont be a game which water is involved. Mostly because of how hard it would be to keep the water ultrapure...

True, but the second a robot hits the water, the purity of the water is compromised... even if there's no grease or metal filings, the oils from the hands that touched it would contaminate it... and then you have circuts frying!!! (Always fun!)

[migix39]

Alright so the fish in the picture is called a sunfish and this same fish in Portuguese is called a peixe lua which means "moon fish". Now this implies that there is sun and moon... this could lead to the assumption that the sun and the moon is inferring to light and dark which could lead that it may be based on inferred trackers.

[MiniNerd24]

MAybe we're tracking another light this year (perhaps not green this time..perhaps an infrared light trackign system?)

[foo]

As has already been well established, this hint is a photo of a "moonfish", with the operative words here being "moon" and "fish". Of these, I feel that "moon" is probably the more significant. In fact, the second half of the clue, "fish", is most likely a "red herring" (pun definitely intended) designed solely (pun again, not really intended) to draw allusions to the fabled "water game".

That's why I'd like to see more discussion about how "moon" could be a relevant clue. Many people have suggested a "lunar surface" for the gamefield. But why stop there? There countless other aspects about moons as well. For example:

1) Moons are "satellites". They travel in elliptical orbits around a central object.
2) Moons exert a gravitational tug on the body they orbit. Our moon effects the oceans, causing the tides. (Ooh! More allusions to a "water game"!)
3) Moons pass through multiple phases (waxing/waning, gibbous/crescent, full/half/quarter, etc.).
3) The etymology of the term "moon" shares the same root as the word "month".
4) The length of a lunar month is 29.53 days, or roughly 29 or 30 days.
5) Moons are integral components of eclipses (both lunar eclipses and solar eclipses) in which the view of one object is obscured by the alignment with another.
6) The goal of NASA's "Apollo" program was to land a man on the moon.
7) Many lunar dieties exist, such as Selene, Diana, Luna, etc.
8) Our moon has many features known as "lunar maria" (Latin for "seas"), such as the "Mare Tranquillitatis" or "Sea of Tranquility". (Whattayaknow? More "water game" clues!)
9) Folklore says lycanthropes (werewolves) transform from human into a wolf-like creature during a full moon.
10) Many expressions involve the word "moon", such as "Once in a blue moon", "The man in the moon", etc.
11) The moon is made of green cheese. Or so I'm told. ;)
12) And the list goes on and on...

Personally, for this clue, I like the significance of item #4 above the best. Firstly, news of this Hint #1 broke on Thursday 12/4 and it was officially released on Friday 12/5. Exactly 1 lunar cycle before kick-off. Coincidence? Yeah, probably. But very convenient, nonetheless. :)

Secondly, consider the idea that our moon's lunar month is roughly 30 days. Or better still, "30 units of time". Now, instead of "days", think "seconds". "30 seconds". Could this clue be a hint that this year's autonomous period will be extended to "30 seconds"? What better way to show off the capabilities of the new controller and LabView software than to put greater emphasis on the autonomous operation of the robots?

In fact, this summer I and a group of other FIRST competitors had the opportunity to meet Woodie Flowers at a National Instruments conference. One of the first questions he asked the group was if we would like to see more time given to the autonomous portion of the competition. In light of the above speculation about the clue, that question now seems a bit more prescient.

But then again, what do I know? This is all pure speculation and wild, baseless conjecture. Maybe the clue just means that "moons travel in orbits" and "fish travel together in schools" and that the competition will be various schools teaming up and driving in circles around the playing field. Nah. That's just silly. Surely, FIRST would never think of creating ridiculous a competition where everybody just drives around the arena like it was a race track, now would they? ;)

[migix39]

This fish is a loner. No schools.

this could be hinted to a free for all match and no teams

[MiniNerd24]

hey i wonder if this wild idea means it'll be another one of those years where all the teams are on one alliance. (I'd like to see a 4 alliance year maybe once)

[migix39]

possibly but it could be inferred targets in the shape of fish that the robots have to pick up using a crane like a fishing pole with a magnet at the end to pick it up:ahh:

[logicalyrandom]

<snip>


I really hope that autonomous isn't extended. It tends to be the most boring part of a match, is really hard to get right, especially for small, newer teams (like mine!) and overall dosen't provide the excitement of human driven competition. That being said, you make a great deal of sense for this thread.

[migix39]

btw this could be an extended auto period and inferred reading in this period

[migix39]

when i looked up the information on the Opah is that there is little known about this species biology and etomology

[MiniNerd24]

nice job there you found the host site for that pic
so let's try to take clues from it shall we?
posted here: http://www.hawaii-seafood.org/opah.html

[DonRotolo]

Lampris luna (now Lampris guttatus)
This is my one post of wild unfounded speculation:

Multi-colored LAMPs on the field as navigation aids.

Also, I just have a feeling that there will be an obstacle - such as a 12 inch high wall - that must be climbed for a team to be at all effective in the game.

Onward to January 3...

[migix39]

This is my one post of wild unfounded speculation:

Multi-colored LAMPs on the field as navigation aids.

Also, I just have a feeling that there will be an obstacle - such as a 12 inch high wall - that must be climbed for a team to be at all effective in the game.

Onward to January 3...

this is a pretty good assumption except i think the colors are goals rather that navigation lights....

or maybe as navigation lights that help guide you through a maze and it is timed or something... ionno

[pollyproof12]

i was considering the shape of the fish and the fact that when there are fish one goes fishing. i also looked at the clues from last year and non directly related to the game. its an odd clue but i think the idea is small.

[DMetalKong]

Personally, for this clue, I like the significance of item #4 above the best. Firstly, news of this Hint #1 broke on Thursday 12/4 and it was officially released on Friday 12/5. Exactly 1 lunar cycle before kick-off. Coincidence? Yeah, probably. But very convenient, nonetheless. :)

Secondly, consider the idea that our moon's lunar month is roughly 30 days. Or better still, "30 units of time". Now, instead of "days", think "seconds". "30 seconds". Could this clue be a hint that this year's autonomous period will be extended to "30 seconds"? What better way to show off the capabilities of the new controller and LabView software than to put greater emphasis on the autonomous operation of the robots?


A longer autonomous mode would be very neat. Kudos to this idea!

[jimbot]

Well last year the hint were the wires from the new Hybrid mode, so maybe this fish has something to do with the new controle system? I like the idea of game pieces being up on a raised platform that one must climb...

[KE5WGE]

LabVIEW has a great vision processing capability. Also with the new CompactRIO, we are opened up to a whole new world of sensors and gadgets (50 G's SHOCK RESISTANCE!!!). My guess is that robots of each alliance will have to work together to accomplish a task of some sort. As far as the fish? Sailors would give each other an Opah as a sign of good luck before a voyage. FIRST might be telling us, "good luck figuring out the hint!"

[1002Founder]

The actual image appears to have come from
www.fish.gov.au/fishnames/photos/37268001.jpg

Australian fish commision

with the fact of the new regional in New Zealand there might be another avenue to search

[NoahTheBoa]

There's been a lot of talk about utilizing the vision capabilities of the cRIO and Labview. I think that this is a possibility, but it will not be a necesity to be competitive in the game. That would be unfair to rookie teams and teams without the programming skills necessary. And also, who's to say that everyone will get the camera mounted and working. In '06 many teams did not have the CMU Cam mounted either because they didn't need it or couldn't get it to work how they wanted. I really doubt that the camera will be a necessity.

[BT987]

i read earlier in this thread that this fish has four diffrent layers of skin all of which are different colors.
maybe four diffrent colors of light in hybrid and not just green???

[Beta Version]

the operative words here being "moon" and "fish". Of these, I feel that "moon" is probably the more significant. In fact, the second half of the clue, "fish", is most likely a "red herring" to draw allusions to the fabled "water game".

news of this Hint #1 broke on Thursday 12/4 and it was officially released on Friday 12/5. Exactly 1 lunar cycle before kick-off. Coincidence? Yeah, probably.


Oh, I doubt thats a coincidence at all. This definetaly furthers my conviction that the most important aspect of this clue is the fishe's name. Especially since it lacks any anatomically or behaviorally interesting specialties. THe only thing particullarly interstiing about the moon is that has allways been an objective for mankind, a.k.a "Shoot for the Moon." This, combined with the detail that this fish is a loner, and a prized catch, suggests to me that a possibility is:

There, along with other possible ways to score, will be a central, though difficult goal, or task that will be either highly valuable, or change the shift of points dramatically. However, unlike past central objectives, only one robot / team will be able to accomplish /attain it in a single round.

[caffino54]

put the picture in photoshop

desaturate it

then go to levels
and drag the black arrow all the way to the right

it makes the letters more visible

they are backwards and it looks like they're out of a book
the only one i can make out is "body"

also there is a silouhette behind the fish

[Justin Montois]

I just want to point out that earlier in this thread I think someone found the exact text of what is behind the fish on a website.

I wonder if/when we will get another game hint.

[Lowfategg]

We are all insane aren't we? I just want to build a robot now. :P

[alectronic]

The actual image appears to have come from
www.fish.gov.au/fishnames/photos/37268001.jpg

Australian fish commision

with the fact of the new regional in New Zealand there might be another avenue to search

could not have been this site... there is no stuff in the background, and the FIRST photo has it. the point is that there are so many spots with this photo out there, it will be near impossible to find the original host. the point is, this clue is probably only hinting at something basic, like the game name. I doubt there would do anything as drastic as using the name of the original picture host to figure out some other deeper clue.

[bwobo]

put the picture in photoshop

desaturate it

then go to levels
and drag the black arrow all the way to the right

it makes the letters more visible

they are backwards and it looks like they're out of a book
the only one i can make out is "body"

also there is a silouhette behind the fish

if you're doing that, you can just flip the canvas horizontally to see them not backwards... multiple layers of text on top of each other.
i think this has been covered though

[Wetzel]

The actual image appears to have come from
www.fish.gov.au/fishnames/photos/37268001.jpg

Australian fish commision

with the fact of the new regional in New Zealand there might be another avenue to search

The New Zealand regional got canceled for this year. Also, Australia and New Zealand are rather different countries.

Wetzel

[pogg]

you guys are fishing for the game.

[sporno]

Ahh , FIRST is in the air. Ok my personal opinion. If this clue was for a water game that would be too easy, FIRST wants us to think long and hard about this one. So im calling NO WATER game. It would be robot genocide. Thats my personal thought.

Cant wait to see everyone at kickoff!

[chambers]

If you look at the source code for the page you get a cool hint:
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We're no strangers to love
You know the rules and so do I
A full commitment's what I'm thinking of
You wouldn't get this from any other guy

I just wanna tell you how I'm feeling
Gotta make you understand

* never gonna give you up
Never gonna let you down
Never gonna run around and desert you
Never gonna make you cry
Never gonna say goodbye
Never gonna tell a lie and hurt you

We've know each other for so long
Your heart's been aching
But you're too shy to say it
Inside we both know whats been going on
We know the game and were gonna play it

And if you ask me how I'm feeling
Don't tell me you're too blind to see

(* repeat)

Give you up. give you up
Give you up, give you up
Never gonna give
Never gonna give, give you up
Never gonna give
Never gonna give, give you up

I just wanna tell you how I'm feeling
Gotta make you understand

[pogg]

red herring

[Justin Montois]

I was unable to replicate your results. That is really funny though. I wonder how long its been there.

[sporno]

i just googled " were no strangers to love" and clicked on the youtube video. Then got rickrolled.

[lenny8]

Plz no Rick Rolling in the fourms. i get Rick rolled everywere else plz not here too.:(

[chambers]

Plz no Rick Rolling in the fourms. i get Rick rolled everywere else plz not here too.:(
Sorry Lenny, I was just trying to pass the time and maybe make a few people laugh. As of right now, I think that's what this post is: a place for humor. What good is a bunch of speculation about a picture of a fish?

[lenny8]

Sorry Lenny, I was just trying to pass the time and maybe make a few people laugh. As of right now, I think that's what this post is: a place for humor. What good is a bunch of speculation about a picture of a fish?

im probly the only person left that has read this entire tread and still reads it.:rolleyes:

[Corporat]

This is very interesting...
I was looking up information on opahs when I realized that I had heard of opah before for something. I looked up the acronym for OPAH and I found a project funded by the Navy on underwater robotics.

I searched around the Navy's website until I reached the recruitment page and my mom got scared and said you're moving with your auntie and uncle in Bel-air. I whistled for a cab and when it came near the license plate said "fresh" and had a dice in the mirror if anything I could say that this cab was rare but I thought now forget it, yo home to Bel-air.

[Tetraman]

Lets avoid the internet memes in our speculations unless the GDC actually gives us one. :o

[scoutmasterlord]

I agree with ttldomination about its not a water game. it looks like a hat or something but ill be waiting for hint #2. It might make it simple for us to figure the game out.

[rilesmitch]

lampris regius (latin) = torch royal (english)

try royal torch on goole search


http://www.google.com/search?q=+royal+torch&rls=com.microsoft:*&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&startIndex=&startPage=1

http://www.wildoceanseafoods.com/Hawaiian_Moonfish_Opah_s/66.htm

[pogg]

they could be raising the weight limit for the robots.

[Elgin Clock]

lampris regius (latin) = torch royal (english)
try royal torch on google search

http://www.google.com/search?q=+royal+torch&rls=com.microsoft:*&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&startIndex=&startPage=1 (http://www.google.com/search?q=+royal+torch&rls=com.microsoft:*&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&startIndex=&startPage=1)

Well that is mighty interesting... A few sites listing a flooring company in my own hometown is in a bunch of the first results. :eek:
Kinda crazy!
And, I may just need to pay them a visit. Maybe that means a new flooring for the field as opposed to the carpet of many years past.
That could be interesting.

[JaneYoung]

im probly the only person left that has read this entire tread and still reads it.:rolleyes:

*hand up in the air* - I read the thread, too. (no surprise there, I love puzzles, humor, and hints)

And... this thread is rated as a 5 star thread - that can't be all bad.

[synth3tk]

I'm reading the thread, also, and was here for the original post. I just think that everything possible has been posted at least four times, so I'm just skimming through it without posting.

[njamietech]

i read the thread and im still reading it

I'll admit it... its true....Im addicted to game hints :rolleyes: :D

[jerry w]

im probly the only person left that has read this entire tread and still reads it.:rolleyes:

((((you are not alone))))


Finally a clue to the reason for the fish. Here is the connection. In the movie "finding Nemo" there are fish that group together to form various shapes. one of these shapes is similar to the 2009 game piece.

Logically, the GDC likes to rattle the cages of those who think "water game....." So they look for the name of the fish that created the shapes. Moon fish! However, they supply a picture as a hint and not the name of the fish.

Now, if someone here has a DVD of finding nemo, could you please look at and list all the shapes that this fish school formed in the movie. one of the items in the list will be the game piece for the 2009 game.

Please remember, that when the shape is found, that it is mine, MINE, mine, mine, MINE.

[njamietech]

please excuse my randomness....(you have been forewarned)

but maybe they are referring to this song...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ojydNb3Lrrs

[Jacob Paikoff]

Now, if someone here has a DVD of finding nemo, could you please look at and list all the shapes that this fish school formed in the movie. one of the items in the list will be the game piece for the 2009 game.


The list of shapes the moonfish make are:
Swordfish
Lobster
Octopus
Ship
Clownfish
Sydney Opera House
East Austraian Current(Waves)
Arrow
Trench

Im not sure how any of those relate to a FRC game piece, but you never know with the GDC.

[Elgin Clock]

((((you are not alone))))


Finally a clue to the reason for the fish. Here is the connection. In the movie "finding Nemo" there are fish that group together to form various shapes. one of these shapes is similar to the 2009 game piece.
Logically, the GDC likes to rattle the cages of those who think "water game....." So they look for the name of the fish that created the shapes. Moon fish! However, they supply a picture as a hint and not the name of the fish.
Now, if someone here has a DVD of finding nemo, could you please look at and list all the shapes that this fish school formed in the movie. one of the items in the list will be the game piece for the 2009 game.
Please remember, that when the shape is found, that it is mine, MINE, mine, mine, MINE.

Really? You (http://www.chiefdelphi.com/forums/showthread.php?p=780966#post780966) don't (http://www.chiefdelphi.com/forums/showthread.php?p=780974#post780974) say (http://www.chiefdelphi.com/forums/showthread.php?p=780981#post780981)? :rolleyes:

[Danny McC]

All the insanity. Hmm the real hint... there is no game they want us to take off for the year and go fishing. Obviously. Jeez thats what the text says. Its subliminal messages.

[xnaut]

I think that is irelevant... I'm sticking to my belief in that the name moonfish is such a generic fish name ( cause it ends in fish ) that they were trying to emphisize the moon part... And that the field will have not the same old boring flat surface ( like moon) but will have higher scoring game pieces in harder to manuever places

[TheFuryan]

I've been reading this and thinking about the clue for a while now (haven't we all!!!) and have come to the conclusion that the hints are always over thought. I think that we will simply be "fishing" for something. Maybe we will be reaching into a tank (full of water?!?!? :eek: ) or just grabbing things, who knows. That's just my two cents.

[billbo911]

I think that is irelevant... I'm sticking to my belief in that the name moonfish is such a generic fish name ( cause it ends in fish ) that they were trying to emphasize the moon part...
Many of us have posted ideas and thoughts here based on the name "Moonfish". I see nothing wrong with that, but I need to point out, according to Wikipedia: Opah (also known colloquially as moonfish, sunfish, kingfish, redfin ocean pan, and Jerusalem haddock)

So, maybe "Moon" is not the only thing we should consider.

And that the field will have not the same old boring flat surface ( like moon)
I have made this point elsewhere, but I think it has bearing on this conversation. If you will recall the 2008 game (I know, it is still 2008), the GDC did a fantastic job developing a game where every level of team could contribute. Teams that could barely do more than assemble the KOP chassis could at least drive and earn points. Teams that were more skilled/experienced could score by driving, hurdling, placing the Track Ball or knocking it down. Some teams were even able to rock the house with autonomous routines that were amazing!

So, how does that apply here?
I see no reason that the GDC would move away from that formula for game design and would make it more difficult for the least capable teams to at least contribute. I just don't see having a moon like playing surface supporting that goal. Although, without knowing the game nor the content of the KOP, what I just said is really only a SWAG.

...but will have higher scoring game pieces in harder to maneuver places

I could not agree more!!!

[ikhana870]

the odd thing is that the FIRST picture was created: dec 3 08 19:56

the one on the website was created: dec 4 08 at 16:29

how was FIRST's created before?

haha thats true...time zones accounted for?
and if so...thats weird

[njamietech]

haha thats true...time zones accounted for?
and if so...thats weird

i think we agreed that those times were different because of his computer. (maybe time zones, i cant remember)

[Nin_estarSaerah]

The main reason that we are focusing so much on "moonfish" is because that image is the first image that you get when you google "moonfish."Other names for an opah, when put into an image search can come up with very different looking fish than the one we are dealing with. We aren't actually sure that "moonfish" or "opah" are the names we should focus on, but they seem like the strongest leads to follow.

[MiniNerd24]

((((you are not alone))))


Finally a clue to the reason for the fish. Here is the connection. In the movie "finding Nemo" there are fish that group together to form various shapes. one of these shapes is similar to the 2009 game piece.

Logically, the GDC likes to rattle the cages of those who think "water game....." So they look for the name of the fish that created the shapes. Moon fish! However, they supply a picture as a hint and not the name of the fish.

Now, if someone here has a DVD of finding nemo, could you please look at and list all the shapes that this fish school formed in the movie. one of the items in the list will be the game piece for the 2009 game.

Please remember, that when the shape is found, that it is mine, MINE, mine, mine, MINE.

Although i don't totally believe this is it i do think you could have an idea for more thoughts here. Also they do other things in the shape shifting fish game ont the DVD a hook is one of the shapes and so is a sun (a connection to sunfish perhaps?) so there are links here.

[ATannahill]

The list of shapes the moonfish make are:
Swordfish
Lobster
Octopus
Ship
Clownfish
Sydney Opera House
East Austraian Current(Waves)
Arrow
Trench

Im not sure how any of those relate to a FRC game piece, but you never know with the GDC.

What says we cant go to the archery field?

p.s. I also have read the whole thread

[njamietech]

for those of you wanting the nemo clip

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FfsBRF4gKOU

have fun!

[Boydean]

Ohhh Chiefdelphi how I love you and your 700 posts about a picture of a fish.

[RoboGeek99]

im probly the only person left that has read this entire tread and still reads it.:rolleyes:

no dont worry i do the same thing...i just cant get myself to stop...the days keep getting longer waiting for kick-off

[njamietech]

hey I sit here pressing f5 every few seconds (:rolleyes: :D ).

when im not pressing f5 im playing chuzzle on popcap.com.

lol

[RoboGeek99]

hey I sit here pressing f5 every few seconds (:rolleyes: :D ).

when im not pressing f5 im playing chuzzle on popcap.com.

lol

i dont use the function keys...i use the refresh button every min...CD is my crack lol

[nevereverregret]

:D wow... Okay so I have been obsessing over this so I figured I'd post what I found out, I know most of it is probally in other posts but I figured I would make it easy to get to in one big post. If anyone sees anything I didn’t please let me know!!! I don’t know everything or even close to it!!! THANKS
Well as we all know it’s called an OPAH fish:rolleyes: , its scientific name is lampris guttatus, and there are only two living species in the genus lampris (which in Greek means brilliant or clear). FIRST is calling it by its nickname moonfish, we know this because the picture as of the time it was posted was only found on Google images as MOONFISH and not an opah fish. They also have no edited the picture in any way. The picture is found on may other websites in the exact form. The words in the background are the words from another page of other fish, and the picture is a shark. The small water stain at the top of the page was also not put thier by FIRST.
There are also two other fish with the nickname Moonfish, the American Spade Fish and the Diamond Fish, spades and diamonds. Cards anyone? Maybe we need to fool other teams like a poker face or something.
A strange fact about the fish I found was that it is found in the southern oceans and won’t cross the 34th parallel North. So I am thinking maybe we cannot cross a certain line and maybe we have to place something over the line ect. The fish is also a very rare fish and if caught is very prize worthy, maybe we have to capture an item that will gain us a lot of points or have to keep an item from other teams :p (like keep away).
The median & fins of the fish are bright vermillion, which is an orangish red pigment. Vermillion(HgS) is naturally produced by reacting mercury with sulfur. Vermillion- RBG (227, 66, 52) HSV (5%, 77%, 89%) Hex Triplet #E34234. It is harmful when in contact with skin, and is toxic if swallowed or inhaled, this might mean that we have to keep away from something and we lose points if we touch it ect. It's molar mass is 232.66 g mol -1, its density is 8.10g cm-3, its melting point is 583.5C and its boiling point is unknown. If any of those numbers mean anything to anyone please let me know.
The fish is also deeply keeled, and compressed. The body is slightly blue grading to rose on the belly, with white spots on the flanks. I cannot make a connection between the coloring and a game other then maybe there will be different colored game pieces.
Another important fact about it is that it travels alone. so maybe we will be play every robot for itself? It also has 4 different colored skin so maybe its 4 on 4. Or again maybe it’s every man for himself and 1V1V1V1, with four teams on the field at a time. This would be very hard though considering how the fields were set up last year. They would have to make a lot of changes to the design...
The flesh of the fish is very stringy and hard to fillet. Maybe the game piece will be hard to hold or it'll be hard to get off the robot, like a magnet?... any ideas with that fact please let me know! Another thing about the game piece is that the fish is very large flat and kinda ugly.. lol shape of the game piece? Like a football shape?
:yikes: Another thing is the symbolic meaning of the fish or water maybe not the fish itself. Water has a symbolic meaning of depth of knowledge, it contains all the mysteries of the deep. We never know what’s at the bottom of the ocean. Maybe there will be a black out session where we rely totally on sensors?, and cannot see?... Fish on the other hand has a lot of meanings. It means fertility eternity creativity femininity good luck happiness knowledge and transformation. Transformation is the only one I could make a connection with. Maybe there are moving objects on the field we need to avoid. That in my option would be awesome.. But with the new control system I am not sure if they would do that. They could also make this the autonomous mode where the robot has to move around the track and detect the moving parts and go around them?..
Thats all that I can really think of right now... If anything else comes up please let me know!!! :P

[logicalyrandom]

Many of us have posted ideas and thoughts here based on the name "Moonfish". I see nothing wrong with that, but I need to point out, according to Wikipedia:

So, maybe "Moon" is not the only thing we should consider.


I have made this point elsewhere, but I think it has bearing on this conversation. If you will recall the 2008 game (I know, it is still 2008), the GDC did a fantastic job developing a game where every level of team could contribute. Teams that could barely do more than assemble the KOP chassis could at least drive and earn points. Teams that were more skilled/experienced could score by driving, hurdling, placing the Track Ball or knocking it down. Some teams were even able to rock the house with autonomous routines that were amazing!

So, how does that apply here?
I see no reason that the GDC would move away from that formula for game design and would make it more difficult for the least capable teams to at least contribute. I just don't see having a moon like playing surface supporting that goal. Although, without knowing the game nor the content of the KOP, what I just said is really only a SWAG.


I agree with you on the count of FIRST keeping the game competitive for all levels of teams, but I still think it's possible for them to allow for some sort of uneven surface. One way would be to have the game pieces be smaller blocks, traffic cones, that type of thing, and distribute them randomly over the playing field at the start of each match. Or, using the same idea, maybe one alliances pieces will be on the other side of the field, requiring robots to cross their opponets pieces at the start of the match.

Another way of having an uneven surface would be a field with bunch of ramps. Ramps allow for changes in elevation/rougher driving, add a level of strategy to the match, and are easy enough for first year teams to navigate. My final idea would be to have, say a bunch of traffic cones on the field, or similar object that wouldn't damage a robot that chose to ignore them, but would slow it down.

/2cents.

[njamietech]

<reference>


OMGOSH!!!!!

we have a genius in our midst. lol

alot of what you say makes sense and sounds fun.

maybe she has the right idea

[RoboGeek99]

Does anyone besides me think that this thread has lost basically any chance for new and innovative ideas?...i think that this hint has been squeezed dry, then again i could be wrong and we probably overlooked something "obvious"

[logicalyrandom]

yes, we've gone over every possible idea multiple times. No, we're not going to stop. Welcome to FIRST. :D

[njamietech]

Does anyone besides me think that this thread has lost basically any chance for new and innovative ideas?...i think that this hint has been squeezed dry, then again i could be wrong and we probably overlooked something "obvious"

Ditto

im starting to feel that way too.

C'mon FIRST! give us the next hint!

[MiniNerd24]

Okay rule numbre one: You mmust find any and all bizzare ideas and plottings for the first game hint until the second comes out and debunks all of our ideas.
so for the record, we should recap all of this soon shouldn't we?

[Astarties]

I bet this hint is only very loosely connected with the game and the officials at FIRST are laughing at us right now.

[MiniNerd24]

I'm surprised Mr. Lavery hasn't posted lately to laugh or talk about his car that's on the moon. (maybe some moon missions? We seemed to be geared towards aerospace stuff lately)

[njamietech]

I bet this hint is only very loosely connected with the game and the officials at FIRST are laughing at us right now.

That seems to be their favorite passtime.


"quick! lets go play 'stupefy the students'!" <-- (GDC)

[nevereverregret]

OMGOSH!!!!!

we have a genius in our midst. lol

alot of what you say makes sense and sounds fun.

maybe she has the right idea

lol Thanks... I really love stuff like this so I'll probally obsess over it till we get the next clue:P . What are your ideas on the Fish?

[nevereverregret]

I bet this hint is only very loosely connected with the game and the officials at FIRST are laughing at us right now.


I agree with you, but its so much fun to just through around every possible connection we can make:P ... Its like a HUGE puzzle we will pretty much NEVER know the awnser to!!!! :yikes:

[nevereverregret]

yes, we've gone over every possible idea multiple times. No, we're not going to stop. Welcome to FIRST. :D

Haha... I diagree with the fact that we have gone through every possible idea because there is always some weird out there connection NO ONE will EVER think of lol, but i absolutley agree that we will not stop!!! you have to love first!!!!:P

[RoboGeek99]

...CD is my myspace...and yes i cant stop looking and refreshing the page (while im studying for 3 finals)...yep robotics is back:)

[jerry w]

....
Thats all that I can really think of right now... If anything else comes up please let me know!!! :P

how could anything else possibly come up:ahh: :ahh:
my eyes hurt:eek:
:)

[ATannahill]

how could anything else possibly come up:ahh: :ahh:
my eyes hurt:eek:
:)
Says the person that came up with the pastrami gut lust.

[DMetalKong]

i dont use the function keys...i use the refresh button every min...CD is my crack lol

I use Tab Mix Plus to auto-reload my tab. :)

[njamietech]

Says the person that came up with the pastrami gut lust.

ROFL :D :D :D

WOOOOOO 100th post

[nevereverregret]

how could anything else possibly come up:ahh: :ahh:
my eyes hurt:eek:
:)

O theres always something... This outta this world connection thats so far from the actual clue its insance but absolutely awsome at the same time!!! :P

[jerry w]

ROFL :D :D :D

WOOOOOO 100th post

come on
i didnt even post some of the really good anagrams
but my favorite is still
Lampris regius ===
Realism Grip Us
:yikes:

[nevereverregret]

come on
i didnt even post some of the really good anagrams
but my favorite is still
Lampris regius ===
Realism Grip Us
:yikes:

lol I have to admit some of those anagrams are pretty neat:yikes: ... maybe they do actully mean something!

[Bohalin]

the letters in the background mean nothing you can search moonfish on google images and guess what picture comes up... yup, the same one of the hint, but wait whats this, oh its another website.... so don't think so deeply in the image its self.... more or less around why did they pick this fish? I think the name Moonfish might have something to do with it... just a guess

[njamietech]

come on
i didnt even post some of the really good anagrams
but my favorite is still
Lampris regius ===
Realism Grip Us
:yikes:

sorry---i didn't mean to seem rude.









EDIT: WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!! 50TH PAGE

[Jacob Paikoff]

come on
i didnt even post some of the really good anagrams


You didn't post some of the really good ones cause you couldn't stop laughing at my translation of them.:D

[jax1488]

maybe the hint means that it has nothing to do with the fish but the moon,

such as the surface area, meaning the ground wont be even.. if so.. *whips out the treads again*

[nevereverregret]

the letters in the background mean nothing you can search moonfish on google images and guess what picture comes up... yup, the same one of the hint, but wait whats this, oh its another website.... so don't think so deeply in the image its self.... more or less around why did they pick this fish? I think the name Moonfish might have something to do with it... just a guess

yeah the fact that its a moonfish and the first piicture u get when u search google images is it is cool, the actual name has alot to do with alot of the guesses going around, like the texture of the feild, and also 2 other fish have the same nickname, the american spadefish and the poker fish, maybe we have to fool other teams like in poker?

[jerry w]

lol I have to admit some of those anagrams are pretty neat:yikes: ... maybe they do actully mean something!

you should try digging through the anagrams
you might like it.
i was lucky last year and had the "drive straight turn left" before kickoff but did not know what it meant.
:(

[RoboGeek99]

you should try digging through the anagrams
you might like it.
i was lucky last year and had the "drive straight turn left" before kickoff but did not know what it meant.
:(

no way...the "vet hurdling tetrads" (something like that) was an anagram for drive straight turn left...it only took me a year to learn the meaning of that one:rolleyes: :p :D

Edit: Did you figure the anagram using some software or with pencil and paper

[nevereverregret]

you should try digging through the anagrams
you might like it.
i was lucky last year and had the "drive straight turn left" before kickoff but did not know what it meant.
:(

OMGOSH did you really?:ahh: BRILLIANT!!! Thats awsome!!!:eek: I would never think of something like that! Thats really cool, Maybe I'll mess around with it a bit, it seems really neat. :yikes:

[Bohalin]

I think the game is going to like rock, paper, scissors, shoot! just a guess :eek:

[njamietech]

I think the game is going to like rock, paper, scissors, shoot! just a guess :eek:

maybe......

2007 and 2005 were tic tac toe...


maybe its Rock paper scissors turn?

[nevereverregret]

I think the game is going to like rock, paper, scissors, shoot! just a guess :eek:

a few people have said that, how do u relate it?

[njamietech]

a few people have said that, how do u relate it?

someone had mentioned it had something to do with moon, fish, ocean. a game like rock paper scissors

[nevereverregret]

someone had mentioned it had something to do with moon, fish, ocean. a game like rock paper scissors

hhhhmmmm:] .... thats really intrusting... that does makes sence... it would be cool too!! :yikes:

[bobwrit]

I feel like I'm watching a dog chasing it's tail, and doesn't stop for 1/2 a week.

[ATannahill]

Who says we are anagraming the right thing? Maybe we should try to anagram thirty-four? what else can we try out?

[nevereverregret]

Who says we are anagraming the right thing? Maybe we should try to anagram thirty-four? what else can we try out?

Maybe try vermillion which is also spelled vermilion(the orangish red pigment in the fins) or something simple like moon fish or even the other name for it... not sure how to say it out loud... jerusalem haddock... :confused: