Game Hint #1

[Nin_estarSaerah]

A lot of people have discussed the rock paper scissors game, but honestly, how would you play that with a robot? how would it be competitive? how would it even be a game? I'd love to hear some ideas on this.

[MiniNerd24]

Has anyone tried anagramning FISH?

[Optimogdor]

If you want an original game I gave you one! Alright there probably won't really be an actual inmate. But I still think that it is prison oriented. I mean come on! Shank?! Moon Fish?! (a prison term!?)

basically

shank+moonfish= robotics prison game

[njamietech]

Has anyone tried anagramning FISH?

ok i understand the difference....but has anyone tried acronyms?

[RoboGeek99]

ok i understand the difference....but has anyone tried acronyms?

honestly acronyms are difficult to make when you have the right words but finding acronyms for everything (moonfish, opah, regularis thingy, etc) would be near impossible:ahh:

[MiniNerd24]

Hey is there a pattern here between hints? Like last year. Our first hint was a picture/physical object. Then our second clue was a "riddle"/intangible clue.
perhaps this is our physical clue... perhaps FIRST is sending all of it's teams a supply of fish this year?:rolleyes:

[RoboGeek99]

Hey is there a pattern here between hints? Like last year. Our first hint was a picture/physical object. Then our second clue was a "riddle"/intangible clue.
perhaps this is our physical clue... perhaps FIRST is sending all of it's teams a supply of fish this year?:rolleyes:

yeah well all have BBQ's while building robots:rolleyes: (it has to be BBQ im from east texas)

[nevereverregret]

Hey is there a pattern here between hints? Like last year. Our first hint was a picture/physical object. Then our second clue was a "riddle"/intangible clue.
perhaps this is our physical clue... perhaps FIRST is sending all of it's teams a supply of fish this year?:rolleyes:

lol i cant wait for the next hint

[MikeMascaro]

I hope the next hint doesn't stir up so many aquatic theories.

[MiniNerd24]

to satisfy you people who think it's a water game... We all need to build robotic fish for an underwater search and rescue.

[njamietech]

I hope the next hint doesn't stir up so many aquatic theories.

dang

now that you've said it----it will :rolleyes:

*evil laugh* <-- (gdc)

[jerry w]

no way...the "vet hurdling tetrads" (something like that) was an anagram for drive straight turn left...it only took me a year to learn the meaning of that one:rolleyes: :p :D

Edit: Did you figure the anagram using some software or with pencil and paper
online at
http://wordsmith.org/anagram

[JaneYoung]

I hope the next hint doesn't stir up so many aquatic theories.

One of thoughts I've had beginning with the revelation of the hint through the last post of this thread has been the mystery of the ocean. It is one of our resources, globally, that still holds much mystery/promise in terms of exploration and advancement in science and technology. The hint has generated an interest in this fish and some of its myth, tradition, and history. I like that. It is a hint but it has a lot of layers and it has been able to hold our interest. There has been the standard 'water game' commentary but there have also been other discussions and areas of interest presented that have been intriguing. I've also enjoyed some of the posts made by new members to CD. They have been made with care and with thought. It's great to see that and to have the opportunity to learn from those carefully crafted posts.

[RoboGeek99]

I hope the next hint doesn't stir up so many aquatic theories.

this will be the next hint
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eO9oseiCTdk

[MiniNerd24]

Whoa i have the video on my computer!

[njamietech]

this will be the next hint
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eO9oseiCTdk

and dave will hint to this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ojydNb3Lrrs

[RoboGeek99]

and dave will hint to this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ojydNb3Lrrs

that was amazing...i have to admit...totally owns my robot fish

[njamietech]

that was amazing...i have to admit...totally owns my robot fish

lol

that was my favorite part of the movie

[RoboGeek99]

lol

that was my favorite part of the movie

havent watched it... but reverting to robotics...where is cryptonite from?

[njamietech]

havent watched it... but reverting to robotics...where cryptonite from?

katy texas--west houston

[RoboGeek99]

the last posts pretty much tell the story about how many new and relevant ideas toward the clue there really are:rolleyes:

[njamietech]

the last posts pretty much tell the story about how many new and relevant ideas toward the clue there really are:rolleyes:

lol

agreed:D

[bobwrit]

lol

agreed:D
Twice.

[lbl1731]

I think to get any meaning out of this hint, you have to think about what the GDC would think. How would they come up with this picture? The most obvious choice is that they googled moonfish. It's the first picture that comes up. Why would they pick the name moonfish? I think the game has something to do with the name of the fish. If it had something to do with the different aspects of the actual fish such as the 34th parallel or the spots or the location of the fish, how would the GDC find the moonfish? Unless they are super smart and just know everything about the moonfish. I think it's far more likely that the game has something to do with the moon and Mr. Lavery or whoever took moon and slapped fish on it (just for jokes), did a search and with great luck found a really strange picture of a really strange fish that happened to have the name moonfish. I don't know. Something to think about.

You have to look at it in a process sort of view.

[Akash Rastogi]

No offense to any of the many recent poster but PLEASE people, GO BACK AND READ AT LEAST SOME of the other pages. Please please please. It may not be to you, but its annoying to see the redundancy in all of these posts of people who do not go back to read at least some of the pages and ideas.

I ask politely that people please go back to read the other posts and stop to think before they post another "what if" and "I think" topic up here. I know its just a game hint but there is a point when something like redundancy gets very annoying and it is a pet peeve of mine.

Again, this is not to point out certain people or to be rude.

[njamietech]

i think this thread is pretty much dead.

pardon the rhyme

[Dan2081]

It's not dead at all! Im keeping it alive by myself, who's with me?

[R.C.]

a few people have said that, how do u relate it?

This has already been answered, please search through CD. Thank you and I am not trying to be rude, just search a tad and then post please.

[johnr]

Location-- GDC underground secret war room
"Alright people,we got the game. Now how do we drive them into a feeding frenzy?"
"Well,part of the game is to stick your apponent with that thing."
"Good,good. Lets work with that."
"Hmmm,put on the them,stick on them, give to them."
"Give to them? You know, there is this fish your suppose to give away if you catch it. I think it's called moonfish."
"Great. Find ,post and let's call it a night."

Game---- Hot Potato

[Mr_I]

Location-- GDC underground secret war room

...

Game---- Hot Potato

Fish ... Hot Potato ... Fish & Chips? ;)

[Zach Purser]

780 posts and no one has mentioned that moon-fish could represent the Dreamworks logo?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DreamWorks

Dreamworks first full-length feature was Antz. Ants work together. Consider our control system this year.

[Beta Version]

Location-- GDC underground secret war room
"Alright people,we got the game. Now how do we drive them into a feeding frenzy?"
"Well,part of the game is to stick your apponent with that thing."
"Good,good. Lets work with that."
"Hmmm,put on the them,stick on them, give to them."
"Give to them? You know, there is this fish your suppose to give away if you catch it. I think it's called moonfish."
"Great. Find ,post and let's call it a night."

Game---- Hot Potato

You Win the thread

[roboraven15]

780 posts and no one has mentioned that moon-fish could represent the Dreamworks logo?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DreamWorks

Dreamworks first full-length feature was Antz. Ants work together. Consider our control system this year.

thats not a bad idea really... but doesn't tell us anything definite about game just working together...

[bobwrit]

780 posts and no one has mentioned that moon-fish could represent the Dreamworks logo?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DreamWorks

Dreamworks first full-length feature was Antz. Ants work together. Consider our control system this year.

Nice Idea. The intoduction of the new control system at the 2008 championships pointed out robots working together.

[Zach Purser]

thats not a bad idea really... but doesn't tell us anything definite about game just working together...

The clues never really tell you anything useful. The past couple years it was the start/finish line for the Boston marathon and a "Just Shoot Me" reference.

[Elgin Clock]

The clues never really tell you anything useful. The past couple years it was the start/finish line for the Boston marathon and a "Just Shoot Me" reference.

Was that sarcasm??

I believe a start/finish line indicated a race type game & the Just Shoot Me reference indicated a shooting game.
Those are VERY relevant & were key elements of the game.

Fish... I'm not so sure about.

[roboraven15]

The clues never really tell you anything useful. The past couple years it was the start/finish line for the Boston marathon and a "Just Shoot Me" reference.

start amd finish of boston marathon definatly hints a race, so ya that hint makes more sense.

but ya... hindsight better than foresight watch this clue be obvious when we actually get game.

[Zach Purser]

Was that sarcasm??

I believe a start/finish line indicated a race type game & the Just Shoot Me reference indicated a shooting game.
Those are VERY relevant & were key elements of the game.

Fish... I'm not so sure about.

I guess useful is a relative term. Robots communicating with one another may be an essential element of the game, but I can hardly start building a robot based on that little piece of information.

[TeknicllyInsane]

Anyone remember that old saying, the big fish eats the little fish? This might be a bit abstract, but then again, what isn't on these game hint threads?
For a while there was a trend of platforms or special bonus areas that you wanted to end up in . . . maybe this year, you get bonus points for caging your alliance-mate's robot? Or maybe even some other use of cages?
IDK where that came from, but there's my input for the day. :cool:

[nevereverregret]

I am putting together all of my information and theroys on the FISH and other meaning and connections. I'll probally be finshed later tonight... Its already a page long... :P ... I know I'm obssesed but I absoluelty love this stuff, I am determined to figure it out, Just so I can say i did:yikes:...

[RoboGeek99]

I am putting together all of my information and theroys on the FISH and other meaning and connections. I'll probally be finshed later tonight... Its already a page long... :P ... I know I'm obssesed but I absoluelty love this stuff, I am determined to figure it out, Just so I can say i did:yikes:...

i think im gona give up on this thread...yeah right im adicted to the thread but im fresh out of ideas so i think ill just read and coment but my brain is mush by the end of this thread

[ebarker]

Robotic Sushi Maker !!! Oooohh yeaaa !!!

[nevereverregret]

:D wow... Okay so I have been obsessing over this so I figured I'd post what I found out. If anyone sees anything I didn’t please let me know!!! I don’t know everything or even close to it!!! Also I know I have posted this before but I edited it and added a lot of information and I figured I’d make it easier and put it all in one place. THANKS!!!
Well as we all know it’s called an OPAH fish :rolleyes:, its scientific name is lampris guttatus, and there are only two living species in the genus lampris (which in Greek means brilliant or clear). FIRST is calling it by its nickname moonfish, we know this because the picture as of the time it was posted was only found on Google images as MOONFISH and not an opah fish. There are also two other fish with the nickname Moonfish, the American Spade Fish and the Diamond Fish, spades and diamonds. Cards anyone? Maybe we need to fool other teams like a poker face or something.
A strange fact about the fish I found was that it is found in the southern oceans and won’t cross the 34th parallel North. So I am thinking maybe we cannot cross a certain line and maybe we have to place something over the line ect. The fish is also a very rare fish to be caught in groups. It travels alone but sometimes with groups of tuna. They are regularly caught by deep line fishermen near Hawaii. Maybe we will be one on one or maybe there are special pieces we have to obtain and keep from our opponents for points since the fish only come alone. (like keep away). Tying together the two Ideas as a game, maybe there is a line we cannot cross but we must receive something past the line that is worth a lot of points. Maybe something moving or hung up that we need to use a claw to reach.
The median & fins of the fish are bright vermillion, which is an orange-is red pigment. Vermillion (HgS) is naturally produced by reacting mercury with sulfur. Vermillion- RBG (227, 66, 52) HSV (5%, 77%, 89%) Hex Triplet #E34234. I was thinking maybe we could take those numbers and change them into there letters (the ones on phones). It would be E 3(def) 4(ghi) 2(abc) 3(def) and 4(ghi), if anyone sees a patter or words within those letters please let me know. It could possibly be in a different language. It is harmful when in contact with skin, and is toxic if swallowed or inhaled, this might mean that we have to keep away from something and we lose points if we touch it ect. Its molar mass is 232.66 g mol -1, its density is 8.10g cm-3, its melting point is 583.5C and its boiling point is unknown. If any of those numbers mean anything to anyone please let me know.
The fish is also deeply keeled, and compressed. The body is slightly blue grading to rose on the belly, with white spots on the flanks. I cannot make a connection between the coloring and a game other then maybe there will be different colored game pieces. It also has 4 different colored skins, one along its backbone that is orangish flesh, one type on the belly that is pink, on e on the fish’s cheeks that is dark red, and another type that is bright ruby red or liver colored on the breastplate. . This could mean that maybe its 4 on 4. Or again maybe it’s every man for himself and 1V1V1V1, with four teams on the field at a time. This would be very hard though considering how the fields were set up last year. They would have to make a lot of changes to the design... :cool:
The flesh of the fish is very stringy and hard to fillet. Maybe the game piece will be hard to hold or it'll be hard to get off the robot, like a magnet?... any ideas with that fact please let me know! Another thing about the game piece is that the fish is very large flat and kind of ugly.. lol shape of the game piece? Like a football shape?
:yikes: Another thing is the symbolic meaning of the fish or water maybe not the fish itself. Water has a symbolic meaning of depth of knowledge, it contains all the mysteries of the deep. We never know what’s at the bottom of the ocean. Maybe there will be a black out session where we rely totally on sensors?, and cannot see?... Fish on the other hand has a lot of meanings. It means fertility eternity creativity femininity good luck happiness knowledge and transformation. Transformation is the only one I could make a connection with. Maybe there are moving objects on the field we need to avoid. That in my option would be awesome.. But with the new control system I am not sure if they would do that. They could also make this the autonomous mode where the robot has to move around the track and detect the moving parts and go around them?..
I also do not believe, although they are absolutely awesome and creative, that Lampris Guttatus used in an anagram will give us a hint to the game. I really wish they would but there are about 66669 of them. I am not sure if they would make us really figure that one out… But who knows? I am going to keep looking into that because I love them.
Also dream works logo… It’s a MOON with a guy FISHing… I know your probably thinking now im crazy, but someone brought this up. Their first full feature length film was antz. Guess what Antz do… they work together. So I am back to thinking that it’s going to be 4V4 because of the skin color.
The OPAH fish also makes a vertical migration along the seamounts near Hawaii in search of food. Maybe we will have to make a vertical movement to capture something. Like going up a ramp and getting something then going back down, or something of that sort. The fish also swims in a labriform. Labriform swimming is when the fish uses its small fin or flipper to move it’s self in a rowing motion. Maybe this year we have to move our robot in different angles or use different type o transportation, like tracks. Or that weird boot thing on the robot in the videos. J
The climate and areas they live in are pretty normal. They submerge approximately 100-400 meters deep and are found generally near Hawaii. There might be a difference in set up, like we are contained to a pacific area but need to get something or put something somewhere we cannot move to. it’s a far connection but hey it works right?
That’s all I can really think o right now… There must be something more but as of right now I have no idea. If anyone finds anything else please let me know! I know I’m missing a lot!!! Also please respond with what you think is right about my predictions and what’s wrong, sometimes when other people look through they see what others haven’t… THANKS!!!
PS. IF ANYTHING ELSE COMES UP PLEASE LET ME KNOW!!!!:ahh:

[xnaut]

So, how does that apply here?
I see no reason that the GDC would move away from that formula for game design and would make it more difficult for the least capable teams to at least contribute. I just don't see having a moon like playing surface supporting that goal. Although, without knowing the game nor the content of the KOP, what I just said is really only a SWAG.

i think that this does apply here, if you think deeper into what i said about the game pieces being in harder to reach places worth more points..... the newer teams could still get the less scoring points that maybe don't have any difficult terrain to speak of.... this would imply that, adding on to the game hint of the fish, we are going and getting somthing and bringing it back (like fishing). teams that are skilled in the art of chassis building (and driving) could get the harder to reach areas.
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On another note -- THE WATER GAME AIN'T HAPNIN !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
quoting from someone else that i'm to lazy to look up - it would be way to hard for first to have a water based game for setting up and taking down (also imagine the leaks.....)--- not that it isnt a cool idea but id rather have a non-water based game and not have to worry about waterproofing a >2000$ C-Rio and worrying about frying the entire board....

[synth3tk]

I'll wait for the Cliff Notes on that post, Sammy...

[billbo911]

i think that this does apply here, if you think deeper into what i said about the game pieces being in harder to reach places worth more points..... the newer teams could still get the less scoring points that maybe don't have any difficult terrain to speak of.... this would imply that, adding on to the game hint of the fish, we are going and getting somthing and bringing it back (like fishing). teams that are skilled in the art of chassis building (and driving) could get the harder to reach areas.
....
Sounds like we are playing from the same sheet, seeing eye to eye, fishing in the same pond... :ahh:,.... on this one. ;)

[MiniNerd24]

Fish... Fish... All i can think of is Dr. Seuss:

One Fish
Two Fish
Red Fish Blue Fish
Anyone know thw whole story? There might be a clue in there..
perhaps I'm just fishing for an answer. I noticed we all seem to be floundering around with the idea... Holy Mackeral this is a hard clue to guess!:D

[ATannahill]

I like the concept of a magnet.

Also fish = feminity?

Also does anyone know the scale of the pull down ramp in FTC this year? Is it 34 degrees?

[nevereverregret]

I'll wait for the Cliff Notes on that post, Sammy...

lol its not that long, I have more info but thats some of the points i like, I really think its gonna be censors! cant wait to see though!

[xnaut]

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(First member opens the forums)
-- Holy %$#@
-- i guess its time to give them another clue....
-- wow, if i had thees kids thought prosesses life would be much more interesting...
-- (puts in a new game hint that compleatly spunks all of our creative ideas)
-- (evil laugh)
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(arbitrary kid on forums press F5 (or whatever other way you refresh)
-- wow... the last week of my life reading and studying wasted...
-- (/faint)
-- ( other kids begin to sign on )
-- (as they start to think about the hint ... they get depressed that all there ideas were wrong... then procede to punch out there moniter... only later forgetting that, that was a real dumb idea...
-- (kids with self control sign on)
-- (they then proceed to make compleatly new ideas on what the game hint is supposed to mean
-- (First member opens forums and laughs)


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[nevereverregret]

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(First member opens the forums)
-- Holy %$#@....


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LMAO... I wouldnt be surprised if that is all true lmao

[TotalChaos]

Ok, here's a new angle:

The pattern of dots on the moonfish reminds me of dots on dice (http://www.thegreenhead.com/imgs/giant-foam-dice-3.jpg) (Potential game piece (http://www.thegreenhead.com/2008/03/giant-foam-dice.php)).

I was looking at Dave's signatures and noticed his comments went up to 6, correlating with the number of sides on dice, and seemed to favor 4, 5 and 6. This would be a nice use of the camera for pattern and/or dot recognition. And keeping with the "fishing" concept, lets play "ship captain and crew (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ship,_Captain,_and_Crew)", a dice game that requires you to get a 6, 5 and 4 in that order. Maybe we could use the camera to figure out how to turn the dice to the right orientation and then place them on a "ship" which we could then fill with "fish" (Or something along those lines).

Another dice game that 4, 5 and 6 are important in is "Cee-lo (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cee-lo_(dice_game))". (Derived from the Chinese game "strung flowers") The moonfish is a Hawaiian food and strung flowers are known as a lei (You know, those flower necklaces) which keeps with the Hawaiian theme.


- Austin

[RoboGeek99]

Ok, here's a new angle:

The pattern of dots on the moonfish reminds me of dots on dice (http://www.thegreenhead.com/imgs/giant-foam-dice-3.jpg) (Potential game piece (http://www.thegreenhead.com/2008/03/giant-foam-dice.php)).

I was looking at Dave's signatures and noticed his comments went up to 6, correlating with the number of sides on dice, and seemed to favor 4, 5 and 6. This would be a nice use of the camera for pattern and/or dot recognition. And keeping with the "fishing" concept, lets play "ship captain and crew (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ship,_Captain,_and_Crew)", a dice game that requires you to get a 6, 5 and 4 in that order. Maybe we could use the camera to figure out how to turn the dice to the right orientation and then place them on a "ship" which we could then fill with "fish" (Or something along those lines).

Another dice game that 4, 5 and 6 are important in is "Cee-lo (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cee-lo_(dice_game))". (Derived from the Chinese game "strung flowers") The moonfish is a Hawaiian food and strung flowers are known as a lei (You know, those flower necklaces) which keeps with the Hawaiian theme.


- Austin

and just when i thought the thread was out of ideas...thats a really good concept and i could see how FIRST could make that into a fun competitive game...nice job

[nevereverregret]

Ok, here's a new angle:

The pattern of dots on the moonfish reminds me of dots on dice (http://www.thegreenhead.com/imgs/giant-foam-dice-3.jpg) (Potential game piece (http://www.thegreenhead.com/2008/03/giant-foam-dice.php)).

- Austin

thats very intrusting... i never thought of thats its a totaly new angle and would be really cool

[TotalChaos]

Here's further explanation:

In the "Ship, captain and crew" game a 6 relates to the ship, a 5 relates to the captain, and a 4 refers to the crew.

I've been running over Dave's signatures looking for more ways to relate it to the "ship, captain and crew" game. This caught my eye:

2. To the six, you give me my fix.

At first it seemed as nonsensical as the others, but, looking up "fix (http://www.speedylook.com/Fix_(ship).html)" I discovered it is actually a term that refers to an area of a ship where cargo is stowed.

So, translated, Dave's statement could mean something like: "When you get a 6, you get your ship".

Also, with this statement:

6. For the six: your integrity does transfix.

Six could refer back to the "ship", and integrity could mean it doesn't leak.

For this:

1. To the five, you keep me alive.

Five could refer to the captain, who keeps his crew alive.

And:

4. To the four, give it some more.

Could refer to the crew (A four) loading up the ship.


- Austin

[keehun]

My friend just came up with this one: Dreamworks! Remember the guy on the moon fishing? I don't know, but just putting it out there. (Btw, I am aware of all the other theories so I will not post them. Yes, all 17 pages)

[DonRotolo]

So, translated, Dave's statement could mean something like: "When you get a 6, you get your ship".
There was a movie around when Dave was a kid, "With six you get eggroll (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0063821/)".

[Akash Rastogi]

Ok, here's a new angle:

The pattern of dots on the moonfish reminds me of dots on dice (http://www.thegreenhead.com/imgs/giant-foam-dice-3.jpg) (Potential game piece (http://www.thegreenhead.com/2008/03/giant-foam-dice.php)).

I was looking at Dave's signatures and noticed his comments went up to 6, correlating with the number of sides on dice, and seemed to favor 4, 5 and 6. This would be a nice use of the camera for pattern and/or dot recognition. And keeping with the "fishing" concept, lets play "ship captain and crew (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ship,_Captain,_and_Crew)", a dice game that requires you to get a 6, 5 and 4 in that order. Maybe we could use the camera to figure out how to turn the dice to the right orientation and then place them on a "ship" which we could then fill with "fish" (Or something along those lines).

Another dice game that 4, 5 and 6 are important in is "Cee-lo (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cee-lo_(dice_game))". (Derived from the Chinese game "strung flowers") The moonfish is a Hawaiian food and strung flowers are known as a lei (You know, those flower necklaces) which keeps with the Hawaiian theme.


- Austin


Excellent interpretation! If you didn't know other posts have related the hint to a multitude of card games but I think this one hits the nail on the head.

[Noel]

I'm not sure if this was mentioned or not, so yeah.

But, um, with the new control system and all that there is a camera (I think)
that can be used, and I think it was mentioned that it can be used to
track colors, such as the color blue (it was mentioned--or I lost my mind for those 30 sec.),so could that factor into it?

Like, it's not the fish exactly, but where the fish swims, which as mentioned
is like deep sea or something.

My input for the day...I find it fun to read some of the ideas/thoughts,
but I really think that its not too deep of a clue, yah know?

Gosh, life'd be easier if we could just play 20 questions to figure out
what the game is.

--a girl with her heart on her sleeve, and a camera on the blue--

[legotech25]

If this hasn't already been said...

the text is only a reflection of a plate that talks about the fish...

something about it's body and other such things.

If this has been said, i'm sorry for posting it again.

[nicole55555]

The fish is quite disproportional.

[Zach Purser]

My friend just came up with this one: Dreamworks! Remember the guy on the moon fishing? I don't know, but just putting it out there. (Btw, I am aware of all the other theories so I will not post them. Yes, all 17 pages)

Maybe you should have searched for "Dreamworks" in the thread before posting that one. :)

[Ibanez549]

Fish... Fish... All i can think of is Dr. Seuss:

One Fish
Two Fish
Red Fish Blue Fish
Anyone know thw whole story? There might be a clue in there..
perhaps I'm just fishing for an answer. I noticed we all seem to be floundering around with the idea... Holy Mackeral this is a hard clue to guess!:D

Well when I saw this comment I thought well maybe this guy has something but then no one really responded or reacted to his comment so i figured i would make and account and post. if you think of it this makes a lot of sense it could be wrong but thinking of this id say the hint means theres gonna be two fish as game pieces of some sort and that ones for the red team and ones for the blue team just like there always is a red and blue. Thats just my thoughts on what part of the game might be and i think this could be one of the most important posts here maybe someone has a idea that can expand upon that. :D

[RoboGeek99]

Maybe you should have searched for "Dreamworks" in the thread before posting that one. :)

ouch that was cold and kinda uncool...look at the brightside at least he didnt say watergame or the fish's name is an opah

[Akash Rastogi]

ouch that was cold and kinda uncool...look at the brightside at least he didnt say watergame or the fish's name is an opah

Actually, no, it wasn't nor was that the intent of the post.

[njamietech]

im going to say that at 800+ posts long...

search is most definitely your friend.:D

[njamietech]

hmmm....

i just saw the nemo version of the "moonfish" on discovery channel on a "the world is just awesome" commercial

not sure if its relevant though, but i felt like mentioning it.:D

[Zach Purser]

ouch that was cold and kinda uncool...look at the brightside at least he didnt say watergame or the fish's name is an opah

I didn't intend for the comment to be harsh, hence the " :) " at the end. I appreciate Keehun actually taking the time to read 17 pages of this thread, which, as you point out, is obviously more than a lot of other posters did.

But search is not only your friend, it's the GP thing to do. It only takes a minute to search several relevant terms before you post, but if you post redundant information that takes 30 seconds to read, and 120 people read it, then you've wasted an hour of the Chief Delphi community's time.

[BanksKid]

so iron chef america...... Mario Batalli did a battle with Opah....... clearl this hint means that the chirman from iron chef america will be the one to reviel the game to us at kickoff

[Chath Maral]

-___-! please no water game, I am one of two programmers! ...though one person's opinion won't matter if they already had that planned it.... they wouldn't do that to us, would they T_T:ahh: :ahh: :ahh: :yikes:

[SuperJake]

Although I would love to see a 4v0, 4v0 or 1v1v1v1 game this year, I don't think it is going to happen. I think we can count on a 3v3 game like in the previous few years. I was checking out the eligibility criteria for the championship and this is what I found:

2009 Winners

2009 Regional
3 per Regional

[slowreactor]

If it's a water game, half the teams, including the new ones, probably won't be able to even compete. So I doubt very much that the clue pointed that way.

The opah being a deep-water (very dark area) fish + FIRST sending us cameras leads me to guess that part of the game will have the drivers blind to what's happening in the arena.

[Zach Purser]

If it's a water game, half the teams, including the new ones, probably won't be able to even compete. So I doubt very much that the clue pointed that way.

You forget, there is usually an easy part of the game, and a hard challenge for the veteran teams. It would be possible to have a dry portion of the field and a fish-tank portion. :)

[Raghavi R]

If this fish is a red herring, couldn't it just be a smokescreen, something to distract and divert our attention??? Isn't that also what a red herring is? We were talking about that at our team meeting the other day, and I wasn't sure if someone has said this already, but they probably have :)

[JaneYoung]

If this fish is a red herring, couldn't it just be a smokescreen, something to distract and divert our attention??? Isn't that also what a red herring is? We were talking about that at our team meeting the other day, and I wasn't sure if someone has said this already, but they probably have :)

I don't think this hint is a diversion or a smoke screen. If you go back and do a search for the official hints of past years, you can see that those hints garnered a lot of scrutiny, observations, opinions, and guesses. Some were dead on.

You will also observe that hint #1 doesn't go with hint #2 (and so on) on first glance but that sometimes - folks have put things together nicely and gotten close to guessing the game, the element, and the name of the game.

Also, it is great great fun to make as many plays in one move as possible - so since this is a guessing game, I'm guessing the GDC made as many possible moves as they could with this fish/hint. That is only a guess on my part but we are dealing with smart people who seem to delight in keeping teams in FIRST and anyone else who enjoys a good puzzle/game - on our toes and guessing.

[Scissors]

I think I found the message. Open the file and see for yourself.

[RoboGeek99]

I found the message. Open the file and see for yourself.

no offense but every kinda of photoshop and looking for hidden codes has already been done...search is your friend:D :D :D

[Daniel_LaFleur]

no offense but every kinda of photoshop and looking for hidden codes has already been done...search is your friend:D :D :D

His post is about the 4th or 5th first time poster in the 2 hint threads in the last few hours. If I didn't know better, I'd say something was fishy :p

[RoboGeek99]

His post is about the 4th or 5th first time poster in the 2 hint threads in the last few hours. If I didn't know better, I'd say something was fishy :p

that was good:D ...but i agree something fishy is going on here

Dave thinks, "its working they are buying the hint and slowly going insane" *evil laugh*:p :yikes: :p

[nevereverregret]

I think by now we should wait to get clue too then try and see what theorys we already have that ties into it then come up with theroys for that one... im so tired of this fish i wrote a 2 page paper on it lmao... i know im pathetic

[EricH]

I think by now we should wait to get clue too then try and see what theorys we already have that ties into it then come up with theroys for that one... im so tired of this fish i wrote a 2 page paper on it lmao... i know im patheticWhy wait? Clue 2 is out already!

[JaneYoung]

Just a thought here.

ChiefDelphi can be a very intimidating place, esp. for new members who have never posted before. To post in the game hint threads could be somewhat daunting to some, to say the least. My hat is off to the new members who are thinking and who are contributing. Yes, it it good to caution folks to read the thread and do some searches but it is also good to remember when we first started posting in ChiefDelphi and the huge learning curve involved.

If I were going to carp on anything - oh wait - harp on anything - it would be to be mindful of spelling and using complete words and sentences. It isn't productive to use text lingo when posting in ChiefDelphi. For one important reason: there are many engineers, technologists, scientists, teachers, and professionals reading what we write. This would include members of the Game Design Committee (the GDC). Now is as good a time as any to begin writing like you would be writing an award submission like the Chairman's Award or the Woodie Flowers Award. Save your text lingo and impulsive posts that are empty of content - for social networking opportunities.

.02
Jane

P.S. oh yes, and when you are scanning a thread, stop scanning - and read and comprehend/absorb the posts that have been made. That will help you decide if you want to post, how you want to post, and what you want to post. Guaranteed.

[jrdude]

[QUOTE=DeepWater;779387]... It is believed to move fast and manouver nimbly..../QUOTE]

Maybe the game is a fast maneuver ability game!!!! :)

[smurfgirl]

Just a thought here.

ChiefDelphi can be a very intimidating place, esp. for new members who have never posted before. To post in the game hint threads could be somewhat daunting to some, to say the least. My hat is off to the new members who are thinking and who are contributing. Yes, it it good to caution folks to read the thread and do some searches but it is also good to remember when we first started posting in ChiefDelphi and the huge learning curve involved.

If I were going to carp on anything - oh wait - harp on anything - it would be to be mindful of spelling and using complete words and sentences. It isn't productive to use text lingo when posting in ChiefDelphi. For one important reason: there are many engineers, technologists, scientists, teachers, and professionals reading what we write. This would include members of the Game Design Committee (the GDC). Now is as good a time as any to begin writing like you would be writing an award submission like the Chairman's Award or the Woodie Flowers Award. Save your text lingo and impulsive posts that are empty of content - for social networking opportunities.

.02
Jane

P.S. oh yes, and when you are scanning a thread, stop scanning - and read and comprehend/absorb the posts that have been made. That will help you decide if you want to post, how you want to post, and what you want to post. Guaranteed.


Good advice from Jane, as always.

I'm just going to add my own story, now that I've been around on Chief Delphi a bit. When I first joined CD, I had been using it as a resource for a while. I joined so that I could post my own question asking for advice about turning robotics into a class you could get school credit for, not realizing that other people had created threads long before on the subject with plenty of useful information. Some friendly people gave me advice, and also referred me to a search for what I was looking for- it was great, I got all the information I needed, and I learned about the handy search feature. However, I probably would have gotten disheartned and abandonded CD if countless people came and whined about me learning to search and reading everything on CD before I posted. It is true, but it only needed to be said once. I hope everyone, veterans and new members alike, keeps a positive attitude on Chief Delphi, even with all the frenzy that comes with game hints and the beginning of the new season. Happy FIRSTing!

[alectronic]

a lot of people have been asking about when the second clue will arrive... my guess would be that they will give one more tomorrow (since the last one was a friday, and this would be a week later...) and then a 3rd clue on either the following or 2nd friday after that. I think we have probably reached the point in the thread where nothing else will be discovered without a second clue. lets hope this one will be more helpful!!

[synth3tk]

a lot of people have been asking about when the second clue will arrive... my guess would be that they will give one more tomorrow (since the last one was a friday, and this would be a week later...) and then a 3rd clue on either the following or 2nd friday after that. I think we have probably reached the point in the thread where nothing else will be discovered without a second clue. lets hope this one will be more helpful!!
lol? http://chiefdelphi.com/forums/showthread.php?t=70514

[RoboGeek99]

a lot of people have been asking about when the second clue will arrive... my guess would be that they will give one more tomorrow (since the last one was a friday, and this would be a week later...) and then a 3rd clue on either the following or 2nd friday after that. I think we have probably reached the point in the thread where nothing else will be discovered without a second clue. lets hope this one will be more helpful!!

THE 2ND CLUE IS UP...ITS ON BILL'S BLOG!!!:ahh: :ahh: :ahh:
the new discussion is already on full blast over 150 posts last time i checked

[ExarKun666]

yeah but I think we pretty much cracked it, so before not reading the hint 2 thread, actually read it, since it is short, and see if there is anything else to add is my suggestion.

[GlennB]

So has anyone mentioned that there's also an audio tracker software for Windows, that just so happens to share the name "Moonfish"?

I know it's been said, but think they would do the whole levels thing based on reading about the moonfish itself.

Maybe the whole reason they chose the moonfish was for more than one reason. Because it could stand for many things.

Just an idea.

[alectronic]

wow... usually our team mentor tells us... i had been checking that regularly and apparently missed it. oh well! happy guessing!

[rjbarra]

I took the original hint and flipped it twice on word. I then changed the brightness and contrast of the picture to make out the writing. It turned out I was able to make out three words. Deeply, forked, and body. I searched this on google and it took me here http://www.sdgfp.info/wildlife/education/FishBook/fishbook.channelcatfish.pdf
The picture seen in the background of the picture is a Blue Catfish and this link takes you directly to a pdf version of the book which was used to scan the hint out of. This might not mean anything but now we know directly where the picture came from.

[rjbarra]

Take a look at the image from an angle to your screen. There is a silhouette and some illegible text in the background.

http://www.sdgfp.info/wildlife/education/FishBook/fishbook.channelcatfish.pdf
This is the image in the background. See my later post on pg. 57

[Siri]

I took the original hint and flipped it twice on word. I then changed the brightness and contrast of the picture to make out the writing. It turned out I was able to make out three words. Deeply, forked, and body. I searched this on google and it took me here http://www.sdgfp.info/wildlife/education/FishBook/fishbook.channelcatfish.pdf
The picture seen in the background of the picture is a Blue Catfish and this link takes you directly to a pdf version of the book which was used to scan the hint out of. This might not mean anything but now we know directly where the picture came from.Good job finding the book! But can you find the opah photo on the other pages (http://www.sdgfp.info/Wildlife/Education/CommonFishes.htm)? My computer's too slow to load all those pages, but I haven't found it. Also, this is a guide to fish common in South Dakota. Does anyone know if opahs are common in South Dakota? I don't know much about fishing, but since they're usually only found by deep-water anglers and common in the tropical waters or the southern ocean, South Dakota seems to be an odd locale.

Also, this probably isn't important, but why did the GDC scan a water-stained photo out of a book instead of just pulling it off the pdf, wherever it is?

[EricH]

Good job finding the book! But can you find the opah photo on the other pages (http://www.sdgfp.info/Wildlife/Education/CommonFishes.htm)? My computer's too slow to load all those pages, but I haven't found it. Also, this is a guide to fish common in South Dakota. Does anyone know if opahs are common in South Dakota? I don't know much about fishing, but since they're usually only found by deep-water anglers and common in the tropical waters or the southern ocean, South Dakota seems to be an odd locale.

Also, this probably isn't important, but why did the GDC scan a water-stained photo out of a book instead of just pulling it off the pdf, wherever it is?
South Dakota is nowhere near the ocean, and there aren't a whole lot of bodies of water big enough for an opah (unless you count the Missouri River, in which case it has to go around several dams coming up from St. Louis).

They won't be from South Dakota. It's too cold for them, and almost too far north. If they're mainly Pacific fish, you're really out of luck; the only way is via the Gulf of Mexico and the Mississippi and Missouri Rivers.

[seanl]

i was thinking and i remembered that they moved the LA Regional to the long beach arena. I wanted to see if this was significant so I went online the arena's website and guess what I found.
"The outside of the Arena is covered by the world’s largest mural, “Planet Ocean”, which features a fabulous array of marine life by internationally renowned environmental artist, Wyland"

[360jbass]

I dont know if this helps

"Opah or moonfish (Lampris regius) is one of the most colorful of the commercial fish species available in Hawaii. A silvery-grey upper body color shades to a rose red dotted with white spots toward the belly. Its fins are crimson, and its large eyes are encircled with gold. The moonfish's large, round profile may be the origin of its name. Moonfish landed in Hawaii range from 60 to over 200 pounds in round weight. A pelagic wandering species, it is often found in the company of tunas and billfish."

[nnfuller]

Ok So... i just spent two hours reading all 50 some odd pages of this hint and i wanted to propose some ideas:
1.FTC is getting a revamp.
2.FIRST is really into this whole progression from FLL to FTC to FRC so are looking for ways to make them similar.
3.This year FLL was almost all about delivering objects or picking them up and moving them only one thing required activation an all time low.
4.FTC also is all about a lot of objects that need to be collected and delivered.
5.Last year FRC set a record for fewest field elements.

What i thing this means is that we will be seeing a reinstatement of the Aim High kind of game with many game pieces to be processed efficently and then when you take into account the HINT #1 it makes it look like we will be fishing for something. and when you search moonfish you find the picture at a commercial fishing site who process large numbers of fish. I am trying to draw conclusions from things other than game hints because FIRST has a tendency to try to improve on the year before, usually from the perspective of the onlooker. So this might mean making all three tournaments more alike which so far this year they have done with FLL and FTC.

P.S.
Terrain has been present for the first time in two years for FLL and the first time ever in FTC so teams may want to think about 4x4 Robots:D

[Xavier Brandall]

Inverting the colors in Paint actually helps quite a bit, and by tilting my moniter it becomes very easy to see that the letters are either overlapping or not in english (or both). There appear to be letters on top of numbers, or maybe it's the other way around. I really don't think the text is relevant to the competition. It looks like either something thrown in to mess with us or was an accident.

[~Mike()]

I think its going to be a race track with different terrain and the game objects are similar to tetras.

[smartkid]

I doubt we'll see a race game again, FIRST likes to completely change gears from one game to a very different new game.

[jrdude]

thinking of the first clue and the second clue we might be fishing with our robots that we made :D

[BeyondReality]

I think we're overanalyzing, with the entire "ooh, there's a hidden message somewhere in the encrypted version of the file" and such :)

[2560DawgDM]

to make out the text in the background open the fishie up on photoshop. flip the image, then set the darkness to as dark as it will go. its an entry fro an encyclopedia or dictionary of something. but i dont think that FIRST would let something like that slip. this has to be relevant.:cool:

[XOFallenAngelOX]

i dont think it has to do with wateri think it has to do with the movement of the fish

[Technogenius]

It's also known as a moon fish. I'm thinking a luner lander. The FTC is doing something with weird surfaces. I doubt it will do anything with water. It's got a camera and a high speed router, so you most likely won't be able to see it. I'm guessing the text is in the hint picture because they scanned it out of a book. I doubt there is any info on it that you can't find on internet.

Check out a the trial robots.
http://first.wpi.edu/FRC/cstechnical.html

I agree that it will be on some crazy surfaces though.

[germansamurai16]

Did it ever occur to anyone that the reason we have the new super-resistant controller was for the use in this game.Besides the fact the old ones we becomming out of date, why would we need one that was even military-destruction proof. I could be wrong about this, but it seems to me that the board might have been the first clue. I think this game may be water based in some way, or possibly like ive seen in the older posts that it could deal with a tough terrain

[nicole55555]

that is one ugly fish

[lafawnda]

so i was lookin at the game hint #2 forum earlier but couldn't find it when i got back online, but i was thinking........since zambonies deal with slippery conditions maybe there will be no carpet in some areas and autonomos of course, with obstructions and hurdling?:confused:

[SCROSSLEY-GCEC]

I was looking at Dave's signatures and noticed his comments went up to 6, correlating with the number of sides on dice, and seemed to favor 4, 5 and 6. This would be a nice use of the camera for pattern and/or dot recognition. And keeping with the "fishing" concept, lets play "ship captain and crew", a dice game that requires you to get a 6, 5 and 4 in that order. Maybe we could use the camera to figure out how to turn the dice to the right orientation and then place them on a "ship" which we could then fill with "fish" (Or something along those lines).

not to mention, with the description of the game posted a little further down, the mention of the ship. if i remember correctly, one of the posts said that the 'moonfish' on finding nemo turned into a boat or ship, right?


i was fiddling around the 'net for a bit myself and toying with that 'one fish two fish red fish blue fish' thing. got these

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/One_Fish_Two_Fish_Red_Fish_Blue_Fish

"multicolour Fluorescent In-Situ Hybridization (FISH) was subtitled "One FISH two FISH red FISH blue FISH"."

http://www.microscopyu.com/articles/fluorescence/insitu/brennerinsitu.html

mentions increased accuracy and things like that... i have no idea :P but maybe someone can come up with something? you never know.


also, on that anagram topic... some stuff i found from the fish's names

lots about jokes and scales
Joke scaled Had Rum
Joke scaled Hard Um
Joke scaled Hard Mu
Joke scaled Dram Uh
Joke scaled Rad Hum
Joke scaled Ha Drum
Joke scaled Ah Drum
Joke scaled Rah Mud
Joke scaled Mar Duh
Joke scaled Arm Duh
Joke scaled Ram Duh

some about area edits
Area Edit Most
Area Edit Mots
Area Edit Toms

"Impaired Lad" supports the lack of vision idea

"Grasp Mutual $@#$@#$@#$@#" - just found that amusing but you never know, it could come to something
EDIT: woops, it censors that word.

[XOFallenAngelOX]

something i just realized... though i cant think of how it would mean anything:

the fins are red, and sort of triangular in shape
the spots are white, and their circles
the body of the fish is blue... unfortunately it isn't a square, if it were we would have every component of the first logo:ahh:
...again i don't see how this would mean anything, but i found it interesting, and if it did somehow mean something that would be great too
i dont htink tht has anything to do with it noah i think its the way that the fish moves... it can only move vertically

[Zach Purser]

Hmm... it's a dead fish. No more Fisher Price motors? :)

[SCROSSLEY-GCEC]

All the others have a glare or fading-gray color on one side...And none others have text.

that isnt true...
look at:

RED GURNARD
OCEAN PERCH
JOHN DORY
RED EMPEROR

for example

[Tangello_angela]

Did it ever occur to anyone that the reason we have the new super-resistant controller was for the use in this game.Besides the fact the old ones we becomming out of date, why would we need one that was even military-destruction proof. I could be wrong about this, but it seems to me that the board might have been the first clue. I think this game may be water based in some way, or possibly like ive seen in the older posts that it could deal with a tough terrain

I really agree with you!!! Why in the world would we need all that if the game WASNt gonna be really dangerous. I dont think its gonna be a water-based game but maybe HDPE (very slippery stuff) that has been used in previous games.

[chmp09]

If you flip the image horizontally and change around the brightness and contrast a little, you can start to read what it says in the background. I'm having a hard time reading it because the words are kind of grainy. Also, there is a picture in the background that is half blocked by the fish. I'm trying the figure out what exactly that is.

I think that the fish actually has little to do with the clue. I could be wrong, but I think that it is there as a distraction from what is hidden in the back.

[smartkid]

Tehy determined a loooong time ago that the picture was scanned and that the text in the background was the text on the next page. Theres also a fish on the next page. Then they went on to find a PDF copy of the book itself. This ruled out any FIRST hidden message within the image.

[andrew.sam]

I have done some photoshoping around and found the words, "Deeply Forked" in the background!

Still trying.

[Elgin Clock]

I have done some photoshoping around and found the words, "Deeply Forked" in the background!


::sigh::

[cloud]

I'm not sleeping because of this hint its like better than area 51

[Dragons527]

Its definitely the windows program, windows is in one of the towns in the riddle and moonfish is a windows program

[Daniel_LaFleur]

Tehy determined a loooong time ago that the picture was scanned and that the text in the background was the text on the next page. Theres also a fish on the next page. Then they went on to find a PDF copy of the book itself. This ruled out any FIRST hidden message within the image.

Nothing has been ruled out, as we do not know what the game is ... yet.

Just because the background image is bleedthru from the next page in the book does not eliminate it as being part of the clue ... unless you know something you're not telling us :rolleyes:

[ATannahill]

Nothing has been ruled out, as we do not know what the game is ... yet.

Just because the background image is bleedthru from the next page in the book does not eliminate it as being part of the clue ... unless you know something you're not telling us :rolleyes:
We found it online with a google image search of moonfish? Exact same image

[cloud]

Its definitely the windows program, windows is in one of the towns in the riddle and moonfish is a windows program

wow this seems to be my favorite explanation even though idk what they want with windows

[BJT]

Overheard at a GDC meeting a few weeks ago:
Dave: So, you guys want to have some fun?
Dean: Yeah, what did you have in mind?
Dave: Let's post a picture of a fish.

[juanac06]

Maybe this will help you guys read it not sure. Hope I helped. http://www.geocities.com/juana_carrillo06/clue.jpg
http://www.geocities.com/juana_carrillo06/clue2.jpg
:o i tried....

[GaryVoshol]

i tried....As did others before you ...

[Daniel_LaFleur]

We found it online with a google image search of moonfish? Exact same image

... and what makes you think they didn't choose that picture because it has an image thats bleeding through and not because it's a moonfish?

[ATannahill]

... and what makes you think they didn't choose that picture because it has an image thats bleeding through and not because it's a moonfish?
I have to ask who would google moonfish looking for an image that is bleedthrough?

[Daniel_LaFleur]

I have to ask who would google moonfish looking for an image that is bleedthrough?

Dave?

[dlavery]

I have to ask who would google moonfish looking for an image that is bleedthrough?
Dave?



:D ROFL!!!

[Jonathan W.]

Take a look at the image from an angle to your screen. There is a silhouette and some illegible text in the background.

I see a silhouette of a ufo, so i googled "fish ufo" and the first hit was
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_SZPTV2JGJw
We will be using a green light again

[Ambrielle]

Its definitely the windows program, windows is in one of the towns in the riddle and moonfish is a windows program

That's a great observation, but I don't know how that could relate to the game.

[SCROSSLEY-GCEC]

has it occured to anyone else that after all this speculation, about all the fish had to do with it was the name of the fish?
well, that and the optional colour sensing

[Roger]

I was thinking moonfish as two different things, the first being the Moon, obviously, but the second as a "hockey fish", playing up the playing surface as an icefloor. I first heard this term in a book "The Shockwave River" (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Shockwave_Rider), an interesting SF novel from 1975 that predicts many things, including how intertwined the internet will be with people. Strangely, not via computers but touchkey desk phones with a screen.

I haven't been able to track down what is a "hockey fish" -- in the novel it is referred as a "hockey 'fish" and seems to be someone who follows a particular hockey team. It could be a current term in the hockey world, or just a very obscure reference the GDC came up with.

In the novel it came along with "sweedack", which I also thought was a current hockey term, but one internet source says it was also created in the book -- a French contraction of 'je suis d'accord' used by French-Canadian hockey players in the novel.

[smartkid]

So let me get this right, the only thing about this hint that was part of the game was the word: "moon." Man we / I overlooked the obvious.

[kevin.li.rit]

So let me get this right, the only thing about this hint that was part of the game was the word: "moon." Man we / I overlooked the obvious.

They could have also meant that our robots will be fish-tailing.

[paulcd2000]

Also that fish move in a low gravity environment.

[cbudrecki]

So let me get this right, the only thing about this hint that was part of the game was the word: "moon." Man we / I overlooked the obvious.

we always do, that's what makes them fun!

[germanystudent]

well fish are slippery too yes?

[SCROSSLEY-GCEC]

well fish are slippery too yes?

fair point :D

[Darkcrosbone]

i really think it means its slippery

[MrForbes]

has it occured to anyone else that after all this speculation, about all the fish had to do with it was the name of the fish?


Yeah, that occurred to me....and it's what I suspected back on page 6 of this thread

http://www.chiefdelphi.com/forums/showpost.php?p=779444&postcount=79

[SCROSSLEY-GCEC]

Yeah, that occurred to me....and it's what I suspected back on page 6 of this thread

http://www.chiefdelphi.com/forums/showpost.php?p=779444&postcount=79

Ooo~ someone has skills~ ;)
it was still fun speculating, though

[MrForbes]

skills...luck...whatever :)

[SCROSSLEY-GCEC]

hahaha sometimes there isn't much difference

[germanystudent]

i still think it's amazing how we look back at this and kind just go "Oh DUH! that's what it meant!"

[John G]

ha last year's clue was another fish, and the game was about the moon. so this couuld mean anything. . .. . . ..

[ATannahill]

ha last year's clue was another fish, and the game was about the moon. so this couuld mean anything. . .. . . ..
1. Please don't bump old threads.
2. Game hint threads appearing put me more than 30% closer to a heart attack.
3. Moderators, please close this before it again get confused with a new game hint.

[wilmo]

I almost died there...Jeezzzz....

I second to be removed

[GaryVoshol]

Closing.