YOU Predict the Average Match Score of 2009's Week 1 Regionals

[Ian Curtis]

That's right. Include a breakdown, point-by-point, ball-by-ball, or just a number. Mostly, this thread is so we can look back in seven weeks and realize how terribly wrong we were. :rolleyes:

(I'll post my prediction when I figure out what it is)

[spc295]

I am guessing that your average human player/robot will only be able to score 7 to 9 moonrocks and maybe 1 of the teams on an alliance will make there super cell. so maybe an alliances average score would be like 50.

[Team1710]

I disagree. I think humans will be able to score a lot more points than the robots. Super Cells will be important to play and almost every super cell will be used.

[Ian Curtis]

Dear Future Self and Future Readers of this thread,

At this point, I have not actually set foot on the playing field, nor attempted to score any Orbit Balls. I have felt how slippery the KOP wheels are on an equivalent of the playing field.

That said, here's my guestimate: 53

That figures each standing human/robot combination can deliver 10 balls apiece. I think Robot-to-Robot deliveries will be VERY difficult, and it will be darn near impossible to drive around collecting balls. Also, I think the sitting HP will have a reduced range and accuracy, so I predict he'll make 3 balls. Then, just for kicks, lets say an alliance makes a Super Cell in about 50% of matches.

Intuitively, this seems like an awfully high average score for an FRC game, especially one as different as this one.

[andrew348]

I think that the average match will not have a Super Cell being scored. I am guessing that a average score of 40, of scoring of just Moon Rocks. I can see high scores in the upper hundreds

[Akash Rastogi]

Around 60

edit: Oh wait, week 1 I think more like high 30's to 40's for most teams. There will be the regulars who will score near and above 60

[fordchrist675]

I would assume that if each alliance has 1 person who is really good at shooting they would be able to on a good match score around 10-15 moon rocks and empty cells, but i'd say average would be 8-10 this is an easier target than let's say in '07 or '06. Then for the robots lets say dump about 5-10 ball 2 or 3 times each, that would make the scores anywhere from 30-60 for the robots add the humans and around 1 super cell you could get 70-85. But look for some low scoring as well especially to start off

[BrianT103]

360:D

I think the average score will be around 50 to 70 the first week, with a high score being around 116.

[=Martin=Taylor=]

Really? You all think the HPs will make more shots than the bots?

I've watched some '02 vids. The HPs didn't make many shots. And those goals were much bigger, and they didn't have a pole in the middle!! :ahh:

I'm willing to bet each HP makes 2-3 shots per match.

I'll bet that in a normal match, with one "good" bot and two mediocre ones, the robots will score 15 rocks all together.

If super cells are scored, only one will be scored, and it won't happen often...

Average Total: ~45
Max (Rare match): ~90

I think scores will vary wildly. If a robot can't move fast enough, your alliance will suffer greatly.

[smurfgirl]

I proposed to my team earlier today that the "average" match score we'll see will be in the 50-70 range, probably towards the 50 side for week 1 regionals. Well-played matches will probably be 100-110, especially as the regionals progress.

[Cory]

Average cumulative match score: 35

Really? You all think the HPs will make more shots than the bots?

I've watched some '02 vids. The HPs didn't make many shots. And those goals were much bigger, and they didn't have a pole in the middle!! :ahh:

The 02 goal did have a pole in the middle, but I agree. It is going to be very difficult to throw these into a moving goal.

[Greg Peshek]

I'm thinking this game will be lower scoring than most seem to believe, somewhere in the 25-35 range for each alliance. (When all the robots show up and work).

When the robots don't show up and work.. expect alliances with up to 50-65 points just from good human play, not to mention people just doing pure dumps into the non-moving goal.

For the average match - I'm guessing 30.

[Mike8519]

Really? You all think the HPs will make more shots than the bots?

I've watched some '02 vids. The HPs didn't make many shots. And those goals were much bigger, and they didn't have a pole in the middle!! :ahh:



Actually the Zone Zeal ('02) goals did have big PVC poles in the center and the Soccer balls had much more of a tendency to hit the tops of the PVC poles and bounce away. The rocks/cells do not bounce nearly as much. '04 goals had no poles and HP's made quite a few shots since the big goals were stationary and the mobile goals were often used once to catch the dumped balls from the overhead release.

Anyway, I tend to think that in the beginning of auto a somewhat practiced HP should be able to make 2 (perhaps 3) before the robot really starts moving quickly. So perhaps 12-18 points before auto is over.

As for during the match I expect HP's to be doing more scoring than a moving robot with a moving target, although I am sure there will be robots excellent at shooting that will likely not be the norm. The goals will not be abruptly changing position (aside from collisions) given the traction so the HP shots are possible, but you better start practicing now :) .

Perhaps 40-50 points will be average. I think seeing more than 1-2 super cells implemented successfully in a match will be a bit uncommon.

[Enigma's puzzle]

Im going to guess 20 to 30 per alliance per match

the total combined score of both alliances at 50.

[Nawaid Ladak]

depends which week 1 event your talking of

midwest will be higher than the other regionals in my opinion

midwest: maybe 35, more like 30, high score will be between 60-65... most likely during eliminations

everyone else: around 20-25... high scores will be between 45-55

if 103 and xX good robot hook up on Friday morning, watch out we might see 70 up in NJ

[Michael Corsetto]

For me, it is much harder to make these shots than throwing the 5 point balls in 2004, and thats while keeping our trailer mock up still only 10 feet away. Add in the moving factor (which 2004 didn't have) and it makes for some very difficult shots. Human players must be ready to take advantage of any stopped opponents within their known range if they plan to score a decent amount.

For Week 1, I'll say average score of around 40.

[MrForbes]

keep in mind that those robots without a working autonomous are going to collect opponent HP moon rocks real fast at the beginning of the game.

[Tetraman]

I'm going with an average of 40-50...but this guess is based on my thought that very few teams will go after Super Cells. If Super Cells are a pivitol part of this game, then my guess is 50-60.

[Daniel_LaFleur]

keep in mind that those robots without a working autonomous are going to collect opponent HP moon rocks real fast at the beginning of the game.

I don't believe there will be very many robots without an autonomous mode.

That being said, I predict the average game will be ~40-50 points with the maximum over 120.

[Jonathan Norris]

The only human player scoring will really be done when a robot is stopped near a payload specialist or an end wall, robot scoring on other bots will account for at least 80% of scoring once teams figure out how to play the game.

First week average: 30-40 points

eventually getting to the 50-60 range weeks later.

[=Martin=Taylor=]

Average of 18 responses ~ 44.5

[clean399]

I am gonna go high on this one and say that average scores at the end of the competitions of week 1 will be about 75. I am sure that in the beginning not as much robot scoring will be happening because drivers getting used to the floor (if possible), but the human players can score during autonomous which will give them an advantage if robots get stuck or do not move during autonomous.

So going out on a limb I say 75.

[Jreed129]

my guess would be that scores are not going to be that far from each other due to <G14>

i also think that due to rule <G22> the scores will not be that high because HP will want to throw the SuperCells before the last 20second it that is all that's left.

my average guess would be around 6-24

[lingomaniac88]

I think the average will be about 40 points per alliance.

[Deathnmasses]

I'm guessing that the robot's will score the most points. I would say about 65-75. My team is planning on at the least 28 points from our robot. At the most maybe 42.

[Danny McC]

I havent really seen what people have done with robots as of yet so I can't really decide what I think it will be.

[lukevanoort]

15-20pts, not including Midwest. Midwest and Champs quals 35-45. Midwest and Champs elims 45-60.

[AlexD744]

I'm thinking this game will be lower scoring than most seem to believe, somewhere in the 25-35 range for each alliance. (When all the robots show up and work).

When the robots don't show up and work.. expect alliances with up to 50-65 points just from good human play, not to mention people just doing pure dumps into the non-moving goal.

For the average match - I'm guessing 30.

The goals will move because other teams will push them, however, they will be easier targets and it will be harder for that team to play defense and offense.

[Tetraman]

Aprox 10 balls scored per goal, +/-3

[Cory]

Aprox 10 balls scored per goal, +/-3

You think that each alliance is going to score 60 points, in week one?

[Bob Steele]

Well here goes my estimate.

I would guess that an average of 3 balls will be scored in autonomous in each trailer. This may be a bit low but this is my guess..

So that would be 3X3X2 or 18 points scored during autonomous

During the first 2 weeks we will see human players score more than robots but still not at a great clip... my guess will be 3 balls per HP

so again 3X3X2 18 points... total so far 36 points

Robot scoring.

An average alliance will have at least one robot that can dump or shoot their 7 balls in ....at some point during the teleop..

That adds up to 14 points.... so 36 +14 = 50 points average score.

I do think that in the elims you will see 2 robots scoring and probably 10 balls apiece .... so averages will go up in elims by 26 points to 76.

You will see some robots that can score over 15 balls... but not many.

So a really good alliance with 2 scoring robots will give you 30 extra balls added to the 36 and give you 96 points...

Some teams may also be able to compensate by blocking and doing human scoring by pinning robots in reach of their human players...

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For a different approach let's look at total scoring...(without the supercells)

120 balls X 2 =240 points.

That's not many points to share...
At the championships that would be only 40 points per team or 120 per alliance. tha's only 60 balls (obviously)

Two powerhouse teams.... on one alliance... single 12 ball dump each...
if they both can accomplish this twice a match... they will score 48 balls
add the 9 scored in auto...by hp... and we are at 57 balls with NO human scoring...

i predict that controlling the balls... either by collecting and keeping...or collecting and giving to human players... will control the game in Atlanta..
Being able to pick up the balls that are thrown on the field and conserving those that are given at the beginning of the game...will be the decisive factors...

Holding onto balls and recognizing opportunities for taking advantage and keeping it is the way this game will be played at the championships..

Spectacular dumping and shooting will be fun to watch... but in the end.. strategy and thinking will win the matches.

[nahstobor]

61.2

[midway78224]

I think in the qualification rounds you will see a 50-60 avg. maybe a 90-100 point match in good matches with good alliance. In the playoffs i think you will see 70-80 avg in matches and 100+ matches in rare case.

[Courtneyb1023]

As usual it will be very interesting to see the ranges of scores for the first week of competition. Im curious because I'm doing scoring for week 2 and I want to see how fast I will need to count ;)

My guesses:
Average: 32
Max: 76

As usual again, I am assuming a huge range of scores as some teams progress along the learning curve faster than others. Maybe many scores in the teens and twenties then moving into the thirtys. But who knows, I might be vastly underestimating teams abilities. I guess we will all find out soon :)

-C

[AndyB]

My best guess is about 60.

That would be an average of 5 moonrocks in each trailer. Even that number might be a low estimate. I'm betting we'll see at least one match at Midwest, finals included, with a combined match score of over 300.

[Daniel_LaFleur]

My best guess is about 60.

That would be an average of 5 moonrocks in each trailer. Even that number might be a low estimate. I'm betting we'll see at least one match at Midwest, finals included, with a combined match score of over 300.

Since 300 is the max points (120*2+4*15=300), I doubt this ;)

[GaryVoshol]

As usual it will be very interesting to see the ranges of scores for the first week of competition. Im curious because I'm doing scoring for week 2 and I want to see how fast I will need to count ;)I'm guessing the typical scorer's game will go

120 seconds or so of ease - counting one or two balls every 5 seconds
punctuated with 5-second increments of incredible flurries of balls impossible to count
followed by an onfield confirmation to see just how good you guessed

[Ian Curtis]

Since 300 is the max points (120*2+4*15=300), I doubt this ;)

There are 8 possible super cells, 4 for each alliance. ;)

[115inventorsam]

Well, the real competition begins tomorrow. I suppose I should put up my own estimate.

And the average will be...57.5 points per alliance.

I think that the payload specialists can each score at least 5 balls per match, which means at the minimum an alliance should score 30 points, and then the rest will depend on the robots and how much the super cells get used.

[1902_Battery_SGT]

My guess is going to have to be 54.65 points per match, give or take .05.

[Rick Wagner]

Being that scores will go down as play improves (defense!), I would say the average score of all matches in the first week's Regionals will be 80.

[Ken Streeter]

Just as a data point, the first match of the BAE Systems Granite State Regional (NH) went with a blue victory over red, by a score of 99 to 44:

BAE Systems Granite State Regional 2009, Official Match #1
Blue Alliance: 99 points; Teams 1073, 1519, 1831
Red Alliance: 44 points; Teams 172, 509, 1995

[zivo123]

58.3 :)

[Booksy]

Midwest Regional Average Elimination Average Alliance Score as of now:
57.50

I don't plan on checking the other regionals, but it looks like 55-60 as an average score.