Question: Championship Divisions

[eitang]

When are the Championship divisions published.

I can't wait to see who were up against.

[Chris Fultz]

Not until the week after all regionals and the Michigan Championship.

FIRST needs to allow all of those qualifying teams to register, and fill the field with waitlist teams.

[Joe Ross]

In 2002 through 2004 the divisions were released the Tuesday 9 days before the beginning of the championship. That ended up ranging anywhere from before the last regional ended (2003) to 10 days after the last regional ended (2002).

In 2005, the divisions were released on a Monday, 10 days before the beginning of the championship (9 days after the end of the last regionals).

In 2006, the divisions were released on a Friday, 13 days before the beginning of the championship (13 days after the end of the last regionals).

In 2007, the divisions were released on a Wednesday, 8 days before the beginning of the championship (4 days after the end of the last regionals).

In 2008, the divisions were released on a Wednesday, 8 days before the beginning of the championship (3 days after the end of the last regional).

[Magnechu]

What about match schedules? Are they released prior to the Championship or is it like the Regionals-you get it the day of?

[Fireworks 234]

What about match schedules? Are they released prior to the Championship or is it like the Regionals-you get it the day of?
It's released during the Championship. Not prior, unfortunately.

[Nick Lawrence]

Well you'll just have to wait, Jenn.

Hah.

[The Lucas]

Ok, I'll open the can of worms. Where are the division prediction threads/TBA page?

Of course, any predictions are going to be horribly inaccurate because the Michigan State Championship is set to inject a guaranteed 18 new teams (in addition to the 25 already registered). These teams should have a variety of numbers that will really mess with the 1-2-3-4 scheme. Minnesota will have some impact as well, but those teams are largely high numbers and some are already registered (and they dont pass on the qualification like FiM). Plus, after all this is done there should still be wait list spots. On a side note, wait list teams did pretty well last year with an Einstein Finalist (348) and a Xerox Creativity award (1771).

Oh well it is fun to see the predictions anyway :D

[mtaman02]

What about match schedules? Are they released prior to the Championship or is it like the Regionals-you get it the day of?

All match schedules are generated the afternoon / evening before the actual schedule taking affect. Wed. generates Thur. Matches, Thur generates Fri & Sat matches.

[EricLeifermann]

Ok, I'll open the can of worms. Where are the division prediction threads/TBA page?

Of course, any predictions are going to be horribly inaccurate because the Michigan State Championship is set to inject a guaranteed 18 new teams (in addition to the 25 already registered). These teams should have a variety of numbers that will really mess with the 1-2-3-4 scheme. Minnesota will have some impact as well, but those teams are largely high numbers and some are already registered (and they dont pass on the qualification like FiM). Plus, after all this is done there should still be wait list spots. On a side note, wait list teams did pretty well last year with an Einstein Finalist (348) and a Xerox Creativity award (1771).

Oh well it is fun to see the predictions anyway :D

Its is not a guaranteed 18 new teams. 18 from the state championship will earn a spot to Atlanta, but some of them could be teams that have already registered.

[Koko Ed]

Ok, I'll open the can of worms. Where are the division prediction threads/TBA page?

Of course, any predictions are going to be horribly inaccurate because the Michigan State Championship is set to inject a guaranteed 18 new teams (in addition to the 25 already registered). These teams should have a variety of numbers that will really mess with the 1-2-3-4 scheme. Minnesota will have some impact as well, but those teams are largely high numbers and some are already registered (and they dont pass on the qualification like FiM). Plus, after all this is done there should still be wait list spots. On a side note, wait list teams did pretty well last year with an Einstein Finalist (348) and a Xerox Creativity award (1771).

Oh well it is fun to see the predictions anyway :D
I've been busy so I didn't bother doing it this year.

[Tom Bottiglieri]

Here you go.
http://www.thebluealliance.net/cmp09/

[jennifer_1547]

no i dont want to wait ! i want to know like now :)

[sydney_1547]

i want ur profile picture :)

[jennifer_1547]

Well you'll just have to wait, Jenn.

Hah.

i dont have the patience to wait for the listings
i hateeee suspence :)

[The Lucas]

Its is not a guaranteed 18 new teams. 18 from the state championship will earn a spot to Atlanta, but some of them could be teams that have already registered.

No, they rerun the rankings after the State Championship (multiplying by State Champ points by 4 to give it a 2/3 weight). If one of the teams that earns a qualifying spot for Champions is already registered or can't attend, they offer it to the next team in the ranking (making 18 guaranteed new spots). I am pretty sure this is how it works but I can't confirm because I can't access the Michigan Rules Supplement (http://www.firstinmichigan.org/filemgmt/visit.php?lid=4)today (for some reason I get a 403 forbidden error).

I'm not complaining, the more qualified Michigan teams at Championship the better for the level of competition. A high number of points after 2 (3) District Events and State Championship is good enough credentials to me, better than wining some regionals. Even with those 18 teams, there were more a few MI teams at championships last year. I truly want the best level of competition at championship which is why it is a shame when good teams can't qualify (like 40, 330, 968, 1153, 1279, 1391, 2068, 2199 off the top of my head). Unfortunately, the Michigan point system cant be easily ported to regionals for a variety of reasons, and obviously we can't just subjectively pick team that are good but didnt win a regional.

None of that was really my point. I was just saying that those 18 teams MI teams (with their variety of numbers) make it difficult to predict divisions early, which is not actually important. MN teams tend to have high numbers (amazing growth in that area) so they will not shift divisions that much and some of the teams are registered already (like 79, 93) that cant pass off their qualification (goes to waitlist). There are 310 teams registered now and with 30 more qualifiers (18 MI + 12 MN) we can get up to 340 teams like last year without waitlist teams. If some wanted to, they could make some good predictions Sat night if there are no waitlist spots (no preregisters MN teams qualify) and they went through the FiM rankings to find who would be invited.

[Rob]

Here you go.
http://www.thebluealliance.net/cmp09/

Thanks for putting this together again Tom. You really put the "TB" in "TBA"!

[Andrew Schuetze]

No, they rerun the rankings after the State Championship (multiplying by State Champ points by 4 to give it a 2/3 weight). If one of the teams that earns a qualifying spot for Champions is already registered or can't attend, they offer it to the next team in the ranking (making 18 guaranteed new spots). I am pretty sure this is how it works but I can't confirm because I can't access the Michigan Rules Supplement (http://www.firstinmichigan.org/filemgmt/visit.php?lid=4)today (for some reason I get a 403 forbidden error).

So I had not really followed the Michigan district plan much until now. Guaranteed 18 advancing teams plus any that won at outside regionals or recieved an open bid.

Hijacking this thread a bit here, so why would other high FRC team number states not want to adopt this pilot program for their state? Michigan has 132 teams, New York 122, California 145, Texas 91 ...

As of 1:30 CDST April 2nd Texas has 13 registered with maybe a couple more finding the cash to pay for their winning bid by Friday. So maybe it is a non-issue. Texas has 2 regional events as of this year so without a team(s) winning both that gives 3 champions, 1 Chairman, 1 Engineering Inspiration, 1 Rookie All-Star at each for a dozen teams guaranteed to World Championship if they are all Texas teams as we do have several veterans who like to come to Texas for some strong competition.

What are the con's for adopting the Michican district model?

[Akash Rastogi]

Here you go.
http://www.thebluealliance.net/cmp09/

I hope it ends up like the Serpentine division algorithm. Curie is a nice field with that one. Easier with the Normal algorithm.

[EricH]

Hijacking this thread a bit here, so why would other high FRC team number states not want to adopt this pilot program for their state? Michigan has 132 teams, New York 122, California 145, Texas 91 ...

[...]

What are the con's for adopting the Michican district model?California has more regionals than MI did (4), but all the teams are concentrated in 4 places (2 for all you folks who don't know CA geography very well--they're farther apart than you think): Los Angeles, San Diego, the Silicon Valley, and Sacramento. There are pockets in other areas, namely the central coast, home to 973 and 1388, and the desert areas. (Not sure if 399 goes with the L.A. grouping or the desert grouping...)

However, the teams already play each other almost exclusively. L.A. doesn't get many out-of-state teams (other than 188, 1726, and 69--the only repeat out-of-state teams I know about in recent years), but is always full. SVR and Sacramento are more of the same. SD gets more, but not very many. To put it frankly, you'd pretty much be doing the same thing as normal.

The question is, where are you going to put the districts? If you split each regional into two, you get 8 district events in 4 areas. And then you get the MI UP dillemma: Do you leave the district zone and go to Vegas (or Oregon, or AZ), or do you travel to your closest district event (which requires staying overnight)?

The only way to make the district system work in California would be to also include Nevada and Arizona. This is to avoid the MI UP dilemma (as now Vegas is in the district area, and AZ, which supplies many teams to Vegas, is as well) and give a bit of a "buffer zone". But now you need more districts, maybe about 10-12, and that increases costs. And where on earth do you hold the "Zone" championship? How about the number of qualifying teams?

Con #1, though, is the district system is still "buggy" in some respects. The point system is the notable one, though that seems to be working (mostly). But, before the district model goes nationwide, I for one would like to see the pilot program run for one more year with changes to verify that any bugs are out.

It may be that the district model only works in MI, but certain aspects like event format can work elsewhere. I'd like to see the parts that work implemented nationwide, but the parts that don't work removed.

[Alan Anderson]

What are the con's for adopting the Michican district model?

The one big negative I see is that teams outside the region are not allowed to participate in any of the district events. A smaller negative is that teams inside the region are strongly constrained in their ability to participate in other regional competitions.

As a member of a team with a strong goal of visiting new places and meeting new people, I would find those restrictions uncomfortable. Whether or not the reduced expense would make up for it is a matter of debate.

[AdamHeard]

California has more regionals than MI did (4), but all the teams are concentrated in 4 places (2 for all you folks who don't know CA geography very well--they're farther apart than you think): Los Angeles, San Diego, the Silicon Valley, and Sacramento. There are pockets in other areas, namely the central coast, home to 973 and 1388, and the desert areas. (Not sure if 399 goes with the L.A. grouping or the desert grouping...)

However, the teams already play each other almost exclusively. L.A. doesn't get many out-of-state teams (other than 188, 1726, and 69--the only repeat out-of-state teams I know about in recent years), but is always full. SVR and Sacramento are more of the same. SD gets more, but not very many. To put it frankly, you'd pretty much be doing the same thing as normal.

The question is, where are you going to put the districts? If you split each regional into two, you get 8 district events in 4 areas. And then you get the MI UP dillemma: Do you leave the district zone and go to Vegas (or Oregon, or AZ), or do you travel to your closest district event (which requires staying overnight)?

The only way to make the district system work in California would be to also include Nevada and Arizona. This is to avoid the MI UP dilemma (as now Vegas is in the district area, and AZ, which supplies many teams to Vegas, is as well) and give a bit of a "buffer zone". But now you need more districts, maybe about 10-12, and that increases costs. And where on earth do you hold the "Zone" championship? How about the number of qualifying teams?

Con #1, though, is the district system is still "buggy" in some respects. The point system is the notable one, though that seems to be working (mostly). But, before the district model goes nationwide, I for one would like to see the pilot program run for one more year with changes to verify that any bugs are out.

It may be that the district model only works in MI, but certain aspects like event format can work elsewhere. I'd like to see the parts that work implemented nationwide, but the parts that don't work removed.

Yup, 1717, 1388 and us are all central coast (Santa Barbara through San Luis Obispo approximately). If district events were made, we'd have to stay overnight anywhere it'd make sense to have one. If they made one at the central coast, if it was near 1717 we'd have to stay overnight, and vice-verca. Not to mention all other teams attending would have to stay overnight.

The only Pro I see for the district event (to my specific team, not evaluating the program as a whole) is going into champs with WAAAAAAAAAY more matches than everyone else.

[Jon Jack]

IF the district system did go nationwide, it would probably look very different than it does now. For example, what about smaller states like Washington, Oregon, Idaho, Alaska, Montana? You can't run a district system in a state with 3 teams, can you?

I would imagine larger states like CA, MI, TX, etc would become their own district systems and then large groups of smaller states like the ones listed above will become their own.

The western region would probably look something like:

CA
Pacific Northwest (WA, OR, ID, MT, AK)
Southwest (NV, AZ, NM, CO, UT)


Each group would have their own district systems until the need for district realignment came up.

[Lil' Lavery]

What are the con's for adopting the Michican district model?

No full practice day at venues.
Events with an "off-season" feel (though team spirit of a regional).
A complete restructuring of the infrastructure.
More volunteers needed.
Not a viable option in most states/regions.

[Josh Goodman]

I'm glad that before even the regionals end.....1114, 217 and 148 are in the same division they were last year....It's always a comforting thought. :yikes:

[Fe_Will]

IF the district system did go nationwide, it would probably look very different than it does now. For example, what about smaller states like Washington, Oregon, Idaho, Alaska, Montana? You can't run a district system in a state with 3 teams, can you?



Last time I checked there were more than 3 teams in several of the states listed. Does the rest of FRC not see what we do up here? Sometimes I wonder...

[Jon Jack]

Last time I checked there were more than 3 teams in several of the states listed. Does the rest of FRC not see what we do up here? Sometimes I wonder...

Obviously Oregon has more than 3 teams. I think you guys have one of the biggest growth rates in FIRST since the 2006 season. I wasn't trying to say that Oregon only had 3 teams. However, the 28 teams in Oregon are not enough to do a district structure. I suppose you could do a very small state championship, but most likely I could see places like Oregon (28 teams), Washington (49 teams), Montana (4 teams), Idaho (9 teams), Alaska (3 teams) and the Dakotas (5 teams) being lumped together into one district system.

IF districting went nationwide, FIRST isn't going to leave the smaller states like MT, ID, AK, ND and SD out in the cold. This means that at least in the beginning they will be lumped with other states.

However, I think this thread should be returned to it's original topic.

[Akash Rastogi]

However, I think this thread should be returned to it's original topic.

Thank you!

Usually, are the TBA algorithms correct? And which algorithm is used ecah year? Normal or serpentine?

[thefro526]

Thank you!

Usually, are the TBA algorithms correct? And which algorithm is used ecah year? Normal or serpentine?

I think they alternate. Some years Serpentine is used and some years the normal one is used. As to what one will be used, your guess is as good mine.

[Jon Jack]

If I remember correctly, the last few years have been A,B,C,D,A,B...

However TBA has it set up, it's still pretty far from being settled. There are still 12 teams from the MSC that have yet to receive invites, as well as 12 teams from the two MN regionals this weekend. I imagine there are also several teams that will get their payment in at the last minute and be added to the list.

[Travis Hoffman]

I still wouldn't mind seeing an AAAA, BBBB, CCCC, DDDD ...... arrangement.

[Lil' Lavery]

If I remember correctly, the last few years have been A,B,C,D,A,B...

However TBA has it set up, it's still pretty far from being settled. There are still 12 teams from the MSC that have yet to receive invites, as well as 12 teams from the two MN regionals this weekend. I imagine there are also several teams that will get their payment in at the last minute and be added to the list.

It was ABCD in 2008, but not in 2007. 2007 used a different formula.
http://www.thebluealliance.net/cd/divisionparse.php

[waialua359]

Too bad there are more regionals. :mad:
Having 25, 368, 987, and 1983 in the same division would be AWESOME!!!

[Peter Matteson]

I like the normal algorithem. It puts us in Curie for a shot at completing the set...

[The Lucas]

I think they alternate. Some years Serpentine is used and some years the normal one is used. As to what one will be used, your guess is as good mine.

It was ABCD in 2008, but not in 2007. 2007 used a different formula.
http://www.thebluealliance.net/cd/divisionparse.php

They have never used serpentine for all of the teams. However some say that (http://www.chiefdelphi.com/forums/showpost.php?p=611612&postcount=298) odd pattern in 2007 was inspired by serpentine pattern.

I am now wondering how many teams will be at CMP this year. There are currently 320 teams registered and 30 more can qualify tomorrow. Hopefully the field will run smoothly for all these matches

[chanj]

I thought what happened was that they had posted out the list, but as more teams joined, they just threw them on to the back of the divisions.

[Cory]

I thought what happened was that they had posted out the list, but as more teams joined, they just threw them on to the back of the divisions.

Nope. To the best of my knowledge it's never happened that way before.

[Aren_Hill]

I'm glad that before even the regionals end.....1114, 217 and 148 are in the same division

i'm gonna put it out there that that alliance will not happen this year at champs, none of those 3 are falling to a 3rd bot

[Josh Goodman]

i'm gonna put it out there that that alliance will not happen this year at champs, none of those 3 are falling to a 3rd bot

Oh yeah....I'd be willing to bet that too. But you never know ;)

[The Lucas]

I thought what happened was that they had posted out the list, but as more teams joined, they just threw them on to the back of the divisions.

They do that for a very limited number of teams (like 348 and 1771 last year) that join after the list is out. The list in 2007 (https://my.usfirst.org/myarea/index.lasso?page=teamlist&event_type=FRC&event=CMP&year=2007&sort=teamnum)was very different (out of order) when it was first posted.

[Greg Peshek]

When's the latest time for the teams who just qualified to register? Do they have to do it at the event, or is there a certain window?

If they have to do it at the event, does that mean the list on TBA is pretty accurate? Assuming FIRST uses that algorithm of course.

[EricH]

When's the latest time for the teams who just qualified to register? Do they have to do it at the event, or is there a certain window?Typically, Tuesday after the event. There's some leeway so they can verify they have/can raise the funding.

[Akash Rastogi]

Hehe, i just killed myself looking at Curie after updating. Btw 67 needs its own color code!:yikes:

[waialua359]

Wow, look at Curie so far. Would hate to be in that division. When was the last time, Curie was stacked compared to the others?

Archimedes looks pretty good. ;)

[jmanela]

No, they rerun the rankings after the State Championship (multiplying by State Champ points by 4 to give it a 2/3 weight). If one of the teams that earns a qualifying spot for Champions is already registered or can't attend, they offer it to the next team in the ranking (making 18 guaranteed new spots). I am pretty sure this is how it works but I can't confirm because I can't access the Michigan Rules Supplement (http://www.firstinmichigan.org/filemgmt/visit.php?lid=4)today (for some reason I get a 403 forbidden error).

I'm not complaining, the more qualified Michigan teams at Championship the better for the level of competition. A high number of points after 2 (3) District Events and State Championship is good enough credentials to me, better than wining some regionals. Even with those 18 teams, there were more a few MI teams at championships last year. I truly want the best level of competition at championship which is why it is a shame when good teams can't qualify (like 40, 330, 968, 1153, 1279, 1391, 2068, 2199 off the top of my head). Unfortunately, the Michigan point system cant be easily ported to regionals for a variety of reasons, and obviously we can't just subjectively pick team that are good but didnt win a regional.

None of that was really my point. I was just saying that those 18 teams MI teams (with their variety of numbers) make it difficult to predict divisions early, which is not actually important. MN teams tend to have high numbers (amazing growth in that area) so they will not shift divisions that much and some of the teams are registered already (like 79, 93) that cant pass off their qualification (goes to waitlist). There are 310 teams registered now and with 30 more qualifiers (18 MI + 12 MN) we can get up to 340 teams like last year without waitlist teams. If some wanted to, they could make some good predictions Sat night if there are no waitlist spots (no preregisters MN teams qualify) and they went through the FiM rankings to find who would be invited.

I can confirm that because that is how it was a the Michigan State Championship yesterday.

[EricH]

Wow, look at Curie so far. Would hate to be in that division. When was the last time, Curie was stacked compared to the others?2007. That year, there were a lot of good robots and a "lenient" ref when it came to defense, with the expected results.

[flyingcrayons]

Sounds like Galileo last year. 1089 was in that division, and let me tell you, it was STACKED... take a look at the team list for the division if you dont remember how ultimate it was...

http://www.thebluealliance.net/tbatv/event/2008gal/teams

[swamp_child]

According to these predictions Galileo is going to be a beast, 254, 1114, 217, 111, 148 , 179(hehe) its going to be fun!

[flyingcrayons]

According to these predictions Galileo is going to be a beast, 254, 1114, 217, 111, 148 , 179(hehe) its going to be fun!

nah, those are the divisions from last yr... so last year was beast... i hope we dont have to face powerhouse teams like that so many times... this year

[swamp_child]

no, those were not the divisions from last year, that is the predicted for this year. However i did make a mistake, 1114 is not in Galileo

[Travis Hoffman]

Just for fun, I did an AAAA, CCCC, GGGG, NNNN, etc. sort on the current team list. Doesn't seem like too bad of a distribution of talent:


A C G N

1 25 45 56
11 27 47 60
16 33 48 61
20 39 49 67
70 85 102 118
71 86 107 120
75 88 111 121
79 93 115 122
125 138 155 176
126 141 159 177
131 148 168 179
135 151 175 180
188 203 228 234
190 207 230 236
191 217 231 254
195 222 233 263
271 292 337 343
279 303 339 346
281 314 340 353
287 329 341 358
359 368 399 440
360 375 418 461
364 386 433 469
365 395 435 488
492 533 558 597
494 538 573 604
499 548 578 612
529 555 585 620
624 704 744 811
665 708 753 815
668 714 766 816
692 716 768 830
832 857 894 932
842 862 922 967
846 868 930 971
852 870 931 973
980 1013 1038 1098
987 1014 1058 1099
999 1023 1086 1108
1002 1024 1089 1114
1124 1195 1261 1288
1138 1208 1266 1289
1155 1209 1270 1302
1165 1218 1287 1305
1311 1334 1421 1458
1318 1341 1425 1477
1323 1350 1429 1502
1332 1390 1450 1503
1506 1519 1540 1557
1507 1527 1547 1561
1511 1535 1551 1566
1516 1538 1555 1569
1577 1622 1649 1676
1592 1625 1657 1700
1598 1629 1662 1706
1601 1646 1675 1710
1712 1730 1742 1747
1714 1731 1743 1771
1717 1732 1745 1772
1726 1739 1746 1796
1806 1834 1885 1927
1807 1836 1893 1983
1811 1868 1902 1987
1829 1872 1923 2004
2039 2173 2220 2340
2056 2185 2230 2344
2067 2194 2234 2348
2070 2214 2283 2354
2377 2520 2587 2635
2415 2543 2590 2638
2443 2550 2609 2642
2486 2579 2621 2655
2659 2753 2791 2826
2702 2775 2809 2836
2729 2779 2813 2844
2741 2783 2815 2848
2866 2884 2936 3010
2874 2890 2992 3020
2875 2910 2996 3059
2877 2915 3009 3062
3075 3091 3105

[AcesPease]

Just for fun, I did an AAAA, CCCC, GGGG, NNNN, etc. sort on the current team list. Doesn't seem like too bad of a distribution of talent:


A C G N

1 25 45 56
11 27 47 60
16 33 48 61
20 39 49 67
70 85 102 118
71 86 107 120
75 88 111 121
79 93 115 122
125 138 155 176
126 141 159 177
131 148 168 179
135 151 175 180
188 203 228 234
190 207 230 236
191 217 231 254
195 222 233 263
271 292 337 343
279 303 339 346
281 314 340 353
287 329 341 358
359 368 399 440
360 375 418 461
364 386 433 469
365 395 435 488
492 533 558 597
494 538 573 604
499 548 578 612
529 555 585 620
624 704 744 811
665 708 753 815
668 714 766 816
692 716 768 830
832 857 894 932
842 862 922 967
846 868 930 971
852 870 931 973
980 1013 1038 1098
987 1014 1058 1099
999 1023 1086 1108
1002 1024 1089 1114
1124 1195 1261 1288
1138 1208 1266 1289
1155 1209 1270 1302
1165 1218 1287 1305
1311 1334 1421 1458
1318 1341 1425 1477
1323 1350 1429 1502
1332 1390 1450 1503
1506 1519 1540 1557
1507 1527 1547 1561
1511 1535 1551 1566
1516 1538 1555 1569
1577 1622 1649 1676
1592 1625 1657 1700
1598 1629 1662 1706
1601 1646 1675 1710
1712 1730 1742 1747
1714 1731 1743 1771
1717 1732 1745 1772
1726 1739 1746 1796
1806 1834 1885 1927
1807 1836 1893 1983
1811 1868 1902 1987
1829 1872 1923 2004
2039 2173 2220 2340
2056 2185 2230 2344
2067 2194 2234 2348
2070 2214 2283 2354
2377 2520 2587 2635
2415 2543 2590 2638
2443 2550 2609 2642
2486 2579 2621 2655
2659 2753 2791 2826
2702 2775 2809 2836
2729 2779 2813 2844
2741 2783 2815 2848
2866 2884 2936 3010
2874 2890 2992 3020
2875 2910 2996 3059
2877 2915 3009 3062
3075 3091 3105



Would be interesting to clump together some of the old corporate teams. Do you think that is even remotely possible this year?

[Travis Hoffman]

Would be interesting to clump together some of the old corporate teams. Do you think that is even remotely possible this year?

Not knowing anything about FIRST's rationale for divisional sorting, I suppose anything's possible. Consider this my pitch for seeing something like this - I would love seeing the other Delphi 40's in my division.

Including the honorary ghost of Team 46....
http://web.archive.org/web/19980529072224/www.usfirst.org/1998comp/teamlist.html

[Alex Cormier]

Not knowing anything about FIRST's rationale for divisional sorting, I suppose anything's possible. Consider this my pitch for seeing something like this - I would love seeing the other Delphi 40's in my division.

Including the honorary ghost of Team 46....
http://web.archive.org/web/19980529072224/www.usfirst.org/1998comp/teamlist.html

How many teams did you use? That showing is different then what the TBA is showing as the prediction?

[Travis Hoffman]

How many teams did you use? That showing is different then what the TBA is showing as the prediction?

TBA shows 323 teams (which will increase over the next few days, no doubt). That's the list I used......again, for FUN.

[engunneer]

Any periodic sorting should give a nice stackup of teams in each division. This is due to two factors:
1) there is no correlation between team number (mod 4) and effectiveness.
2) there are a LOT of impressive teams this year

That being said, I hope we end up somewhere other than Newton, but only because it is the furthest field from the pit, and it takes a LONG time to walk all the way around the dome every time.

[Jon Jack]

That being said, I hope we end up somewhere other than Newton, but only because it is the furthest field from the pit, and it takes a LONG time to walk all the way around the dome every time.

Actually it's second closest. Archimedes is furthest followed by Curie, Newton and Galileo

[Greg Marra]

I've changed the script to color teams who have won three or more events solid red. Team 67 was messing things up.

http://thebluealliance.net/cmp09/divisions.php

[BenB]

I've changed the script to color teams who have won three or more events solid red. Team 67 was messing things up.

http://thebluealliance.net/cmp09/divisions.php

The red outline doesn't standout enough to me, could you highlight them another way. Maybe a blue back ground?

[Huskie65]

TBA shows 323 teams (which will increase over the next few days, no doubt). That's the list I used......again, for FUN.

Ya I know we're going and that will move almost everybody. We qualified at the MI State championship.

[EricLeifermann]

its not that big of a change you'll only move every body after you one space, every body after you will still be together in the same divisions as they were before you signed up.

[Adam Freeman]

I've changed the script to color teams who have won three or more events solid red. Team 67 was messing things up.

http://thebluealliance.net/cmp09/divisions.php

Sorry! We don't mean to cause problems :D

[Tom Bottiglieri]

Sorry! We don't mean to cause problems :D
If you win Championship, you will also break the signature banner bar.
:P

[Greg Marra]

If you win Championship, you will also break the signature banner bar.
:P

Fun Historical Fact:
The sig bar used to only display 4 events. It was modified to display 5 after 1114 participated in 3 regionals, a division, and made it to Einstein last year.

[EricH]

Fun Historical Fact:
The sig bar used to only display 4 events. It was modified to display 5 after 1114 participated in 3 regionals, a division, and made it to Einstein last year.
So if they win a Division, they'll break the bar. You might want to look into giving it the option to display 6... And I thought it was 217 breaking the bar.

FIRST: We don't raise the bar, we say "What bar?" as we go through it.:P

[The Lucas]

MI rankings are up! (http://www.firstinmichigan.org/staticpages/index.php?page=Results_Overall)

Can anyone add the Auto Qualifiers from MN, MI, and Atlanta nominees 1-15 (65 won and is included as #7, should take 14 total) as from the FiM rankings and make a speculative Division prediction list?

P.S. Sorry to The Suspects (team 440) for a typo in my last post in The waiting list thread listing 410 not 440 as qualifying. Congrats on your EI award and spot at Champs!

[The Lucas]

Can anyone add the Auto Qualifiers from MN, MI, and Atlanta nominees 1-15 (65 won and is included as #7, should take 14 total) as from the FiM rankings and make a speculative Division prediction list?


Ok since no one made this list, I made it myself. I added the 24 Week 6 qualified teams (down to #20 Team 226 on the FiM Rankings). By the way, 440 and 2834 were the 2 teams that added today to get the list up to 325. Here is the list:

Archi Curie Galileo Newton
1 11 16 20
25 27 33 39
45 47 48 49
56 60 61 65
67 68 70 71
75 79 85 86
88 93 102 107
111 115 118 120
121 122 125 126
131 135 138 141
148 151 155 159
168 175 176 177
179 180 188 190
191 195 201 203
207 217 222 226
228 230 231 233
234 236 245 247
254 263 271 279
280 280 281 287
292 303 314 326
329 337 339 340
341 343 346 353
358 359 360 364
365 368 375 386
395 399 418 433
435 440 461 469
488 492 494 499
503 529 533 538
548 555 558 573
578 585 597 604
612 620 624 665
668 692 704 708
714 716 744 753
766 768 811 815
816 830 832 842
846 852 857 862
868 870 894 904
910 922 930 931
932 967 971 973
980 987 999 1002
1013 1014 1023 1024
1038 1058 1086 1089
1098 1099 1108 1114
1124 1138 1155 1165
1195 1208 1209 1218
1250 1261 1266 1270
1287 1288 1289 1302
1305 1311 1318 1323
1332 1334 1341 1350
1390 1421 1425 1429
1450 1458 1477 1502
1503 1506 1507 1511
1516 1519 1527 1535
1538 1540 1547 1551
1555 1557 1561 1566
1569 1577 1592 1598
1601 1622 1625 1629
1646 1649 1657 1662
1675 1676 1700 1706
1710 1712 1714 1717
1726 1730 1731 1732
1739 1742 1743 1745
1746 1747 1771 1772
1796 1806 1807 1811
1829 1834 1836 1868
1872 1885 1893 1902
1918 1923 1927 1983
1986 1987 2004 2039
2056 2067 2070 2169
2173 2185 2188 2194
2214 2220 2230 2234
2283 2340 2344 2348
2354 2377 2415 2443
2470 2486 2500 2520
2543 2549 2550 2579
2587 2590 2609 2620
2621 2635 2638 2642
2655 2659 2702 2729
2741 2753 2771 2775
2779 2783 2791 2809
2813 2815 2826 2834
2836 2844 2848 2866
2874 2875 2877 2884
2890 2910 2915 2936
2970 2992 2996 3009
3010 3020 3059 3062
3075 3091 3105


The list has 247 teams, which seems like enough teams, but it would make sense to add at least 1 more to even the divisions.

By the way, Archimedes looks stacked (and I'm not just saying that because the whole Philly champ alliance is in that division :D )

[Koko Ed]

Ok since no one made this list, I made it myself. I added the 24 Week 6 qualified teams (down to #20 Team 226 on the FiM Rankings). By the way, 440 and 2834 were the 2 teams that added today to get the list up to 325. Here is the list:

Archi Curie Galileo Newton
1 11 16 20
25 27 33 39
45 47 48 49
56 60 61 65
67 68 70 71
75 79 85 86
88 93 102 107
111 115 118 120
121 122 125 126
131 135 138 141
148 151 155 159
168 175 176 177
179 180 188 190
191 195 201 203
207 217 222 226
228 230 231 233
234 236 245 247
254 263 271 279
280 280 281 287
292 303 314 326
329 337 339 340
341 343 346 353
358 359 360 364
365 368 375 386
395 399 418 433
435 440 461 469
488 492 494 499
503 529 533 538
548 555 558 573
578 585 597 604
612 620 624 665
668 692 704 708
714 716 744 753
766 768 811 815
816 830 832 842
846 852 857 862
868 870 894 904
910 922 930 931
932 967 971 973
980 987 999 1002
1013 1014 1023 1024
1038 1058 1086 1089
1098 1099 1108 1114
1124 1138 1155 1165
1195 1208 1209 1218
1250 1261 1266 1270
1287 1288 1289 1302
1305 1311 1318 1323
1332 1334 1341 1350
1390 1421 1425 1429
1450 1458 1477 1502
1503 1506 1507 1511
1516 1519 1527 1535
1538 1540 1547 1551
1555 1557 1561 1566
1569 1577 1592 1598
1601 1622 1625 1629
1646 1649 1657 1662
1675 1676 1700 1706
1710 1712 1714 1717
1726 1730 1731 1732
1739 1742 1743 1745
1746 1747 1771 1772
1796 1806 1807 1811
1829 1834 1836 1868
1872 1885 1893 1902
1918 1923 1927 1983
1986 1987 2004 2039
2056 2067 2070 2169
2173 2185 2188 2194
2214 2220 2230 2234
2283 2340 2344 2348
2354 2377 2415 2443
2470 2486 2500 2520
2543 2549 2550 2579
2587 2590 2609 2620
2621 2635 2638 2642
2655 2659 2702 2729
2741 2753 2771 2775
2779 2783 2791 2809
2813 2815 2826 2834
2836 2844 2848 2866
2874 2875 2877 2884
2890 2910 2915 2936
2970 2992 2996 3009
3010 3020 3059 3062
3075 3091 3105


The list has 247 teams, which seems like enough teams, but it would make sense to add at least 1 more to even the divisions.

By the way, Archimedes looks stacked (and I'm not just saying that because the whole Philly champ alliance is in that division :D )

Looking over in Archie seeing the possibility of 67 and 2056 getting together should scare everyone too death.

[wo-bot 141]

or worse 2056 67 and 1918 together. that would be trouble.

[DBiehl]

45, 67, 111, 234, 254, 2056 just at first glance, wow.

[swamp_child]

45, 67, 111, 234, 254, 2056 just at first glance, wow.

dont forget 179! this will be a fun division.

[dodar]

is anyone else having trouble getting to TBA?

[The Lucas]

OK, so somehow I had 280 duplicated :o (must have added over the weekend) here is a new one where 67 and 2056 are not together but Archi is still very good. Tell me if you see any other errors


Archi Curie Galileo Newton
1 11 16 20
25 27 33 39
45 47 48 49
56 60 61 65
67 68 70 71
75 79 85 86
88 93 102 107
111 115 118 120
121 122 125 126
131 135 138 141
148 151 155 159
168 175 176 177
179 180 188 190
191 195 201 203
207 217 222 226
228 230 231 233
234 236 245 247
254 263 271 279
280 281 287 292
303 314 326 329
337 339 340 341
343 346 353 358
359 360 364 365
368 375 386 395
399 418 433 435
440 461 469 488
492 494 499 503
529 533 538 548
555 558 573 578
585 597 604 612
620 624 665 668
692 704 708 714
716 744 753 766
768 811 815 816
830 832 842 846
852 857 862 868
870 894 904 910
922 930 931 932
967 971 973 980
987 999 1002 1013
1014 1023 1024 1038
1058 1086 1089 1098
1099 1108 1114 1124
1138 1155 1165 1195
1208 1209 1218 1250
1261 1266 1270 1287
1288 1289 1302 1305
1311 1318 1323 1332
1334 1341 1350 1390
1421 1425 1429 1450
1458 1477 1502 1503
1506 1507 1511 1516
1519 1527 1535 1538
1540 1547 1551 1555
1557 1561 1566 1569
1577 1592 1598 1601
1622 1625 1629 1646
1649 1657 1662 1675
1676 1700 1706 1710
1712 1714 1717 1726
1730 1731 1732 1739
1742 1743 1745 1746
1747 1771 1772 1796
1806 1807 1811 1829
1834 1836 1868 1872
1885 1893 1902 1918
1923 1927 1983 1986
1987 2004 2039 2056
2067 2070 2169 2173
2185 2188 2194 2214
2220 2230 2234 2283
2340 2344 2348 2354
2377 2415 2443 2470
2486 2500 2520 2543
2549 2550 2579 2587
2590 2609 2620 2621
2635 2638 2642 2655
2659 2702 2729 2741
2753 2771 2775 2779
2783 2791 2809 2813
2815 2826 2834 2836
2844 2848 2866 2874
2875 2877 2884 2890
2910 2915 2936 2970
2992 2996 3009 3010
3020 3059 3062 3075
3091 3105

[DUCKIE]

I've got my fingers crossed that the 233 and 365 remain in the same division.

We should sit together during practice rounds and see if the robots really can track our jerseys from the field.

[johnr]

910 will not be attending. money:(

[dodar]

OMG! If the predictions on TBA come true with the "normal" selection, 67 and 217 could go for another reunion tour :yikes:

[BrendanB]

I'm hoping that the Curie division stays the same so that my team, 1519 and my brothers team 1058 can stay be on the same field.

[Tom Bottiglieri]

Is there a deadline for week 6 winners and MI qualifiers to register for CMP?

[dodar]

Dont the final divisions come out today?
Or is it next Tuesday?

[Jimmy Cao]

Historically, they have always come >1 week before the Thursday of Nationals. Thus, they probably are due within the next few days.

This is going to be a lot of fun! Good luck to all teams.

[Jared Russell]

As of right now (329 teams), 67 and 217 will be together regardless of algorithm.

[dodar]

Lets just hope team 100 decides to show up for Atlanta so that 67 and 21 dont end up in the same division lol

why isnt 100 already signed up for atlanta anyways?

[MrForbes]

Because they didn't win a regional?

[Jon Jack]

There are several VERY scary combinations that can come out of Newton according to TBA.

The teams that jump out at me:
39, 67, 111, 179, 148, 217, 368, 399, 973, 1114, 1332, 1538

If everything stays the same, it should make for an interesting finals.

[MrForbes]

FIRST says 336 teams are registered, TBA still shows only 329....

https://my.usfirst.org/myarea/index.lasso?page=teamlist&menu=false&event=CMP&event_type=FRC

http://www.thebluealliance.net/cmp09/divisions.php

Getting close!

[Tyler Hicks]

Actually, you might be surprised about that. Every alliance has a weakness, you just have to know how to use it to your advantage.

At West Michigan, the top two ranked teams were together and everyone thought they would be unstoppable. But they ended up losing.

Whatever happens, the winners will be the ones who had the best strategy that went according to plan.

[Travis Hoffman]

FIRST says 336 teams are registered, TBA still shows only 329....

https://my.usfirst.org/myarea/index.lasso?page=teamlist&menu=false&event=CMP&event_type=FRC

http://www.thebluealliance.net/cmp09/divisions.php

Getting close!

I added 65, so 337 teams below, normal sort:



A C G N
1 11 16 20
25 27 33 39
45 47 48 49
56 60 61 65
67 68 70 71
75 79 85 86
88 93 102 107
111 115 118 120
121 122 125 126
131 135 138 141
148 151 155 159
168 175 176 177
179 180 188 190
191 195 203 207
217 222 228 230
231 233 234 236
245 247 254 263
271 279 280 281
287 292 303 314
329 337 339 340
341 343 346 353
358 359 360 364
365 368 375 386
395 399 418 433
435 440 461 469
488 492 494 499
503 529 533 538
548 555 558 573
578 585 597 604
612 620 624 665
668 692 704 708
714 716 744 753
766 768 811 815
816 830 832 842
846 852 857 862
868 870 894 904
922 930 931 932
967 971 973 980
987 999 1002 1013
1014 1023 1024 1038
1058 1086 1089 1098
1099 1108 1114 1124
1138 1155 1165 1195
1208 1209 1218 1250
1261 1266 1270 1287
1288 1289 1302 1305
1311 1318 1323 1332
1334 1341 1350 1390
1421 1425 1429 1450
1458 1477 1502 1503
1506 1507 1511 1516
1519 1527 1535 1538
1540 1547 1551 1555
1557 1561 1566 1569
1577 1592 1598 1601
1622 1625 1629 1646
1649 1657 1662 1675
1676 1700 1701 1706
1710 1712 1714 1717
1726 1730 1731 1732
1739 1742 1743 1745
1746 1747 1771 1772
1796 1806 1807 1811
1829 1834 1836 1868
1872 1885 1893 1902
1923 1927 1983 1986
1987 2004 2039 2056
2067 2070 2169 2173
2185 2194 2214 2220
2230 2234 2283 2340
2344 2348 2354 2377
2415 2443 2486 2520
2543 2550 2579 2587
2590 2609 2621 2635
2638 2642 2655 2659
2702 2729 2741 2753
2771 2775 2779 2783
2791 2809 2813 2815
2826 2834 2836 2844
2848 2866 2874 2875
2877 2884 2890 2910
2915 2936 2970 2992
2996 3009 3010 3020
3059 3062 3075 3091
3105

[dodar]

so who do you have that TBA hasnt added yet?

[prettycolors91]

Holy moly. Things are going to be interesting. 67 and 217 are together no matter which algorithm is used *happy dance*. The other divisions look pretty scary as well. I CAN'T WAIT!

[The Lucas]

910 will not be attending. money:(

Very sorry to here that:( it was looking like you would be in my division. I put 818 in your place, similar numbers so doesn't change much.

Archi Curie Galileo Newton
1 11 16 20
25 27 33 39
45 47 48 49
56 60 61 65
67 68 70 71
75 79 85 86
88 93 102 107
111 115 118 120
121 122 125 126
131 135 138 141
148 151 155 159
168 175 176 177
179 180 188 190
191 195 201 203
207 217 222 226
228 230 231 233
234 236 245 247
254 263 271 279
280 281 287 292
303 314 326 329
337 339 340 341
343 346 353 358
359 360 364 365
368 375 386 395
399 418 433 435
440 461 469 488
492 494 499 503
529 533 538 548
555 558 573 578
585 597 604 612
620 624 665 668
692 704 708 714
716 744 753 766
768 811 815 816
818 830 832 842
846 852 857 862
868 870 894 904
922 930 931 932
967 971 973 980
987 999 1002 1013
1014 1023 1024 1038
1058 1086 1089 1098
1099 1108 1114 1124
1138 1155 1165 1195
1208 1209 1218 1250
1261 1266 1270 1287
1288 1289 1302 1305
1311 1318 1323 1332
1334 1341 1350 1390
1421 1425 1429 1450
1458 1477 1502 1503
1506 1507 1511 1516
1519 1527 1535 1538
1540 1547 1551 1555
1557 1561 1566 1569
1577 1592 1598 1601
1622 1625 1629 1646
1649 1657 1662 1675
1676 1700 1706 1710
1712 1714 1717 1726
1730 1731 1732 1739
1742 1743 1745 1746
1747 1771 1772 1796
1806 1807 1811 1829
1834 1836 1868 1872
1885 1893 1902 1918
1923 1927 1983 1986
1987 2004 2039 2056
2067 2070 2169 2173
2185 2188 2194 2214
2220 2230 2234 2283
2340 2344 2348 2354
2377 2415 2443 2470
2486 2500 2520 2543
2549 2550 2579 2587
2590 2609 2620 2621
2635 2638 2642 2655
2659 2702 2729 2741
2753 2771 2775 2779
2783 2791 2809 2813
2815 2826 2834 2836
2844 2848 2866 2874
2875 2877 2884 2890
2910 2915 2936 2970
2992 2996 3009 3010
3020 3059 3062 3075
3091 3105


Anyone from 65, 201, 326, 818, 1918, 2188, 2470, 2500, 2549, 2620, or 2771 want to update us on their team plans? If 201 doesnt attend 67 and 217 are likely together. The next team "on deck" in the FiM rankings is 66 and that could really break up the murderer's row that begins Archi, sending half of them to Curie.

[Akash Rastogi]

The next team "on deck" in the FiM rankings is 66 and that could really break up the murderer's row that begins Archi, sending half of them to Curie.

*Gulp*
:ahh: This is getting scary.

[JonellGregor]

744 and 79 possibly together again? Nice!!

[AlexD744]

744 and 79 possibly together again? Nice!!

That would be nice.:D

[Jared Russell]

Serpentine Archimedes is currently an absolute powerhouse.

[JonellGregor]

That would be nice.:D

More than just nice! More like Amazing!

[prettycolors91]

Serpentine Archimedes is currently an absolute powerhouse.

It's scaring me a little bit!

[AlexD744]

It's scaring me a little bit!

You can't be scared you're the HOT team!! Do i need to remind you or your record and statistics for this season?

[AlexD744]

Very sorry to here that:( it was looking like you would be in my division. I put 818 in your place, similar numbers so doesn't change much.

Archi Curie Galileo Newton
1 11 16 20
25 27 33 39
45 47 48 49
56 60 61 65
67 68 70 71
75 79 85 86
88 93 102 107
111 115 118 120
121 122 125 126
131 135 138 141
148 151 155 159
168 175 176 177
179 180 188 190
191 195 201 203
207 217 222 226
228 230 231 233
234 236 245 247
254 263 271 279
280 281 287 292
303 314 326 329
337 339 340 341
343 346 353 358
359 360 364 365
368 375 386 395
399 418 433 435
440 461 469 488
492 494 499 503
529 533 538 548
555 558 573 578
585 597 604 612
620 624 665 668
692 704 708 714
716 744 753 766
768 811 815 816
818 830 832 842
846 852 857 862
868 870 894 904
922 930 931 932
967 971 973 980
987 999 1002 1013
1014 1023 1024 1038
1058 1086 1089 1098
1099 1108 1114 1124
1138 1155 1165 1195
1208 1209 1218 1250
1261 1266 1270 1287
1288 1289 1302 1305
1311 1318 1323 1332
1334 1341 1350 1390
1421 1425 1429 1450
1458 1477 1502 1503
1506 1507 1511 1516
1519 1527 1535 1538
1540 1547 1551 1555
1557 1561 1566 1569
1577 1592 1598 1601
1622 1625 1629 1646
1649 1657 1662 1675
1676 1700 1706 1710
1712 1714 1717 1726
1730 1731 1732 1739
1742 1743 1745 1746
1747 1771 1772 1796
1806 1807 1811 1829
1834 1836 1868 1872
1885 1893 1902 1918
1923 1927 1983 1986
1987 2004 2039 2056
2067 2070 2169 2173
2185 2188 2194 2214
2220 2230 2234 2283
2340 2344 2348 2354
2377 2415 2443 2470
2486 2500 2520 2543
2549 2550 2579 2587
2590 2609 2620 2621
2635 2638 2642 2655
2659 2702 2729 2741
2753 2771 2775 2779
2783 2791 2809 2813
2815 2826 2834 2836
2844 2848 2866 2874
2875 2877 2884 2890
2910 2915 2936 2970
2992 2996 3009 3010
3020 3059 3062 3075
3091 3105


Anyone from 65, 201, 326, 818, 1918, 2188, 2470, 2500, 2549, 2620, or 2771 want to update us on their team plans? If 201 doesnt attend 67 and 217 are likely together. The next team "on deck" in the FiM rankings is 66 and that could really break up the murderer's row that begins Archi, sending half of them to Curie.

Can I inquire as to haw many teams you have listed here?

[prettycolors91]

You can't be scared you're the HOT team!! Do i need to remind you or your record and statistics for this season?

Haha...Atlanta is going to be anybody's game. There are so many talented and diverse teams that are going to be attending, it awes me every time I go. I can't wait to see what everybody is going to bring to the table. HOT isn't silly enough to think that we're unstoppable....or are we? :P

[The Lucas]

Can I inquire as to haw many teams you have listed here?

346 teams, the number of teams already registered or qualified in Week 6. I think it make sense to atleast even out the division with 2 teams from the wait list (although they probably will be tacked on after divisions are released) The teams I listed in the bold sentence asking about their status are qualified, but unconfirmed. 818 should be a replacement for 910 as next on the list (http://www.firstinmichigan.org/staticpages/index.php?page=Results_Overall), unless I'm misunderstanding FiM rules. 226 just registered and they were directly ahead of 818 on the list.

[waialua359]

Patience is a virtue...........................we shall find out soon enough. :)

My only hope is to finally be in the same division as 368 as we have never been all these years. So far, so good. Would be nice to have 25 also (which it was), but it looks like we all moved when 65 entered.

[Jared Russell]

Up to 339.

[The Lucas]

My only hope is to finally be in the same division as 368 as we have never been all these years. So far, so good. Would be nice to have 25 also (which it was), but it looks like we all moved when 65 entered.

To be clear 65 hasnt entered, they are not on the official list (https://my.usfirst.org/myarea/index.lasso?page=teamlist&event_type=FRC&event=CMP&year=2009&sort=teamnum). 2771 and 2500 have added to make the official list 339 teams. To be clear I am just speculating based on the teams that are qualified, the teams I list in the next sentence are unconfirmed. 65, 201 and 326 will all affect your chances to be in the same division with 25
Anyone from 65, 201, 326, 818, 1918, 2188, 2470, 2549, or 2620 want to update us on their team plans?

[AlexD744]

Haha...Atlanta is going to be anybody's game. There are so many talented and diverse teams that are going to be attending, it awes me every time I go. I can't wait to see what everybody is going to bring to the table. HOT isn't silly enough to think that we're unstoppable....or are we? :P

That's true but you are the favorites if there ever were any. I realize that whether you're the HOT team or a rookie team, you can rise to the occasion and become national champions. But so far you've risen to every occasion, even in Michigan State Champs, probably one of the hardest events this season. Good Luck, though! (like you need it :rolleyes: )

[Tyler Hicks]

All we can do is let fate decide.:]

[Wayne TenBrink]

1918 will be there. As of 4:00 EST, the bot is on the truck, the check is in the mail, and FIRST shows us on the team list..

[The Lucas]

1918 will be there. As of 4:00 EST, the bot is on the truck, the check is in the mail, and FIRST shows us on the team list..

Thanks. Welcome 1918 and 65! We are up to 341 teams. That just leaves:
Anyone from 201, 326, 818, 2188, 2470, 2549, or 2620 want to update us on their team plans?

[Jared Russell]

341 teams, you say?

Interesting...:]

[Peter Matteson]

I like serpentine right now, it puts us in Curie...

[waialua359]

To be clear 65 hasnt entered, they are not on the official list (https://my.usfirst.org/myarea/index.lasso?page=teamlist&event_type=FRC&event=CMP&year=2009&sort=teamnum). 2771 and 2500 have added to make the official list 339 teams. To be clear I am just speculating based on the teams that are qualified, the teams I list in the next sentence are unconfirmed. 65, 201 and 326 will all affect your chances to be in the same division with 25
Anyone from 65, 201, 326, 818, 1918, 2188, 2470, 2549, or 2620 want to update us on their team plans?

thanks for the update! As much as we want to be with 25 also, I'd rather have teams that qualified rightfully attend if they can. We only had a chance to be with 368 because 360, 364 and you folks 365 are attending. Usually, not enough in between 359 and 368 decid to go or too much in between. ;)
We have never been in Curie also while 368, I believe, in all of their years, has only been to Curie, and it looks like they might be there AGAIN.

[BT987]

I like serpentine right now, it puts us in Curie...

ha maybe you can win the four different fields....in the past four years;)

[The Lucas]

341 teams, you say?

Interesting...:]

Oddly, I thought about your number while I was typing it, Jared:]

One more update before I go without internet for a while.

In the 341 teams, I didn't notice 2 teams. Welcome 2549, who confirmed. The other team is 1701 (Welcome!) which is very interesting because they are 20th on the FiM list and I previously only had thru 16 (Team 818). I'm pretty sure this means that at max 4 teams out of 201, 2620, 2188, 326, 818, 66, 703, 2645 (8 teams, the later 3 I hadnt included) can register. Also teams like 123 and so on down the list might register until we get 4 more FiM teams. Without knowing more (definitive yes or nos from teams) I cant make another guess. So once again (with feeling:D ):
Anyone from 201, 326, 818, 66, 703, 2645, 2188, 2470 (from 10K not FiM), or 2620 want to update us on their team plans?

[Novi Hopper]

If this list holds out, it looks like 503 will be returning to Newton this year. Woo!

Maybe we'll be able to team up with 1918 this time. You guys threw us for a loop at West Michigan and definitely showed your strength at States. Plus you were sweet pit buddies too :p

[Jared Russell]

343 now. Looks like 201 added, breaking up 67 and 217. I can't spot the other newcomer with just a quick glance.

[thefro526]

I'd love to be in Curie this year, I think all it takes is one or two more teams that's less than 816. I've been on all of the other fields in my Last Three years of FIRST and it would make my last competition as a Student awesome If I can say I've been on all four.

816 Trivia Time!

2006 - Newton 0-7
2007 - Galileo 2-5
2008 - Archimedes 5-1-1
2009 - Is this the year we go 7-0?


(those are just Qualifying matches)

[The Lucas]

343 now. Looks like 201 added, breaking up 67 and 217. I can't spot the other newcomer with just a quick glance.

I can because I have spreadsheet that tells me where to look:P . Welcome 201 and 2470 (who confirmed from 10K)!
Unfortunately, judging by this post (http://www.chiefdelphi.com/forums/showpost.php?p=847149&postcount=12), 326 doesn't look likely due to funding. That means max 3 out of 2620, 2188, 818, 66, 703, 2645 and possibly Team 123 etc... down the FiM list. I'm actually leaving this time:
Anyone from 818, 66, 703, 2645, 2188, or 2620 want to update us on their team plans?

[dodar]

You know what i jus noticed!

if the no teams between 67 and 217 enter, and they pick divisions seperntine style, we could have a MSF reunion on our hands :yikes:

[Cuse]

201 has already registered, however I still think it is doubtful that the division algorithm is going to be a straight serpentine one...

[AcesPease]

201 has already registered, however I still think it is doubtful that the division algorithm is going to be a straight serpentine one...

Agreed

Didn't they do some jiggling in 2007 to make the divisions more division winner balanced?

[Cuse]

Agreed

Didn't they do some jiggling in 2007 to make the divisions more division winner balanced?

I believe so, and historically the algorithm changes every couple of years. For the past two years it has been largely the same, so I'm expecting a rather strange looking list to emerge, making these predictions, though largely amusing and quite interesting, sadly unlikely, at least in my mind.

[dodar]

or they could be tricking us and go with something so extremely simple that it baffles us all!

but if it was up to me, id just get one of those spinning BINGO things and do it that way

[Alex Dinsmoor]

or they could be tricking us and go with something so extremely simple that it baffles us all!

but if it was up to me, id just get one of those spinning BINGO things and do it that way

Haha, wouldn't we be fooled if they randomized all of the divisions! Maybe they will do that when we have the water game :p

[cziggy343]

well... the suspense is killing me:P lets just have the real one already! :)

[dodar]

GOD!!! I know lol :p

[Akash Rastogi]

Odd, TBA doesn't show 175 as winning BAE.:confused: FIRST database error?

I want to see 179 +190 +11 again. Curie alliance 2004:cool: May be possible to make 2/3 of that alliance hehe.

[Cuse]

Yeah, the 3rd Finals match isn't recorded, so it's a perpetual tie with no one winning BAE. A lot of matches are missing from FIRST's reporting of that regional, and it's messed up the OPR stuff too, so we're only ranked for CT.

Go figure.

[chessking132]

I have had the FIRST site open all day waiting for it to be posted. I cant wait to see what kinds of teams will be competing with.

Matthew Simpson

Team 75

[dodar]

TBA doesnt show any of the winning alliances with their deserving points

[swamp_child]

Odd, TBA doesn't show 175 as winning BAE.:confused: FIRST database error?

I want to see 179 +190 +11 again. Curie alliance 2004:cool: May be possible to make 2/3 of that alliance hehe.

Im a big fan of this alliance! (im going to be attending WPI next year and mentoring 190, lol)

[Akash Rastogi]

Im a big fan of this alliance! (im going to be attending WPI next year and mentoring 190, lol)

Haha sick. In '04 I believe we were 4th or 5th captain and then chose 190 first then 179? Not sure. But it'd be pretty sick to get part of that alliance back together.

Question: Is it certain that MORT will be in Curie in the real division or is it not always start in alphabetical order of divisions?

[cbale2000]

Oddly, I thought about your number while I was typing it, Jared:]
Without knowing more (definitive yes or nos from teams) I cant make another guess. So once again (with feeling:D ):
Anyone from 201, 326, 818, 66, 703, 2645, 2188, 2470 (from 10K not FiM), or 2620 want to update us on their team plans?

Team 703 will not be attending this year, due to several reasons including funding, time, etc.

We'll definitely be back in Atlanta next year though and hope to catch some off season events this year as well. :)

[jennifer_1547]

When does FIRST announce the official sheet that shows what division the teams are in ?

[thefro526]

When does FIRST announce the official sheet that shows what division the teams are in ?

Usually, they'll be put up under the Championship 2009 page on FIRST's website. I don't know if they announce them but they don't really need to, they'll be up on CD 2 minutes after they've been uploaded. My guess is they'd probaby be up by this evening if they're coming out today.

[Jared Russell]

Any day now.

[Jared Russell]

Question: Is it certain that MORT will be in Curie in the real division or is it not always start in alphabetical order of divisions?

In 2007 and 2008 it was alphabetical. In 2006 it went Galileo-Archimedes-Curie-Newton. In 2005 it was Archimedes-Curie-Newton-Galileo. 2004 Newton-Galileo-Archimedes-Curie.

So no, we won't know which division is which until the announcement.

[robodude03]

::whistles Jeopardy song::

[dodar]

If thats so, then i wonder if they wont go reverse alphabetical this year

[Josh Drake]

346 TEAMS!

[The Lucas]

346 TEAMS!

New teams are 3115, 1945, & 2075 from MI. Welcome! These should be the last 3 from MI, they had to go all the way to #68 on the FiM ranking (http://www.firstinmichigan.org/staticpages/index.php?page=Results_Overall) to get their last team (Atlanta nominees weren't even numbered that far). There are no more pending qualifiers so here is my final list (TBA should update soon):

Archi Curie Galileo Newton
1 11 16 20
25 27 33 39
45 47 48 49
56 60 61 65
67 68 70 71
75 79 85 86
88 93 102 107
111 115 118 120
121 122 125 126
131 135 138 141
148 151 155 159
168 175 176 177
179 180 188 190
191 195 201 203
207 217 222 226
228 230 231 233
234 236 245 247
254 263 271 279
280 281 287 292
303 314 329 337
339 340 341 343
346 353 358 359
360 364 365 368
375 386 395 399
418 433 435 440
461 469 488 492
494 499 503 529
533 538 548 555
558 573 578 585
597 604 612 620
624 665 668 692
704 708 714 716
744 753 766 768
811 815 816 830
832 842 846 852
857 862 868 870
894 904 922 930
931 932 967 971
973 980 987 999
1002 1013 1014 1023
1024 1038 1058 1086
1089 1098 1099 1108
1114 1124 1138 1155
1165 1195 1208 1209
1218 1250 1261 1266
1270 1287 1288 1289
1302 1305 1311 1318
1323 1332 1334 1341
1350 1390 1421 1425
1429 1450 1458 1477
1502 1503 1506 1507
1511 1516 1519 1527
1535 1538 1540 1547
1551 1555 1557 1561
1566 1569 1577 1592
1598 1601 1622 1625
1629 1646 1649 1657
1662 1675 1676 1700
1701 1706 1710 1712
1714 1717 1726 1730
1731 1732 1739 1742
1743 1745 1746 1747
1771 1772 1796 1806
1807 1811 1829 1834
1836 1868 1872 1885
1893 1902 1918 1923
1927 1941 1983 1986
1987 2004 2039 2056
2067 2070 2075 2169
2173 2185 2194 2214
2220 2230 2234 2283
2340 2344 2348 2354
2377 2415 2443 2470
2486 2500 2520 2543
2549 2550 2579 2587
2590 2609 2621 2635
2638 2642 2655 2659
2702 2729 2741 2753
2771 2775 2779 2783
2791 2809 2813 2815
2826 2834 2836 2844
2848 2866 2874 2875
2877 2884 2890 2910
2915 2936 2970 2992
2996 3009 3010 3020
3059 3062 3075 3091
3105 3115

[rees2001]

***Concentrating, Concentrating, Concentrating***

Come out.... NOW!


**sigh**

[Josh Goodman]

***Concentrating, Concentrating, Concentrating***

Come out.... NOW!


**sigh**

Exactly Rees. I just opened up CD while saying "Divisions, divisions, divisions, divisioins,..."

ARGGHH! All my teachers think I'm crazy.

Me: "Can I check to see if the divisions are out yet?"
Teacher: "What?"

[MrForbes]

from FIRST:

(347 teams found.)

https://my.usfirst.org/myarea/index.lasso?page=teamlist&event_type=FRC&event=CMP&year=2009&sort=teamnum

they're working on it....they keep working on it.....

[The Lucas]

Surprise! 40 added from wait list, so 347 teams now. Now looks like this (Stogi you will really like this one)

Archi Curie Galileo Newton
1 11 16 20
25 27 33 39
40 45 47 48
49 56 60 61
65 67 68 70
71 75 79 85
86 88 93 102
107 111 115 118
120 121 122 125
126 131 135 138
141 148 151 155
159 168 175 176
177 179 180 188
190 191 195 201
203 207 217 222
226 228 230 231
233 234 236 245
247 254 263 271
279 280 281 287
292 303 314 329
337 339 340 341
343 346 353 358
359 360 364 365
368 375 386 395
399 418 433 435
440 461 469 488
492 494 499 503
529 533 538 548
555 558 573 578
585 597 604 612
620 624 665 668
692 704 708 714
716 744 753 766
768 811 815 816
830 832 842 846
852 857 862 868
870 894 904 922
930 931 932 967
971 973 980 987
999 1002 1013 1014
1023 1024 1038 1058
1086 1089 1098 1099
1108 1114 1124 1138
1155 1165 1195 1208
1209 1218 1250 1261
1266 1270 1287 1288
1289 1302 1305 1311
1318 1323 1332 1334
1341 1350 1390 1421
1425 1429 1450 1458
1477 1502 1503 1506
1507 1511 1516 1519
1527 1535 1538 1540
1547 1551 1555 1557
1561 1566 1569 1577
1592 1598 1601 1622
1625 1629 1646 1649
1657 1662 1675 1676
1700 1701 1706 1710
1712 1714 1717 1726
1730 1731 1732 1739
1742 1743 1745 1746
1747 1771 1772 1796
1806 1807 1811 1829
1834 1836 1868 1872
1885 1893 1902 1918
1923 1927 1941 1983
1986 1987 2004 2039
2056 2067 2070 2075
2169 2173 2185 2194
2214 2220 2230 2234
2283 2340 2344 2348
2354 2377 2415 2443
2470 2486 2500 2520
2543 2549 2550 2579
2587 2590 2609 2621
2635 2638 2642 2655
2659 2702 2729 2741
2753 2771 2775 2779
2783 2791 2809 2813
2815 2826 2834 2836
2844 2848 2866 2874
2875 2877 2884 2890
2910 2915 2936 2970
2992 2996 3009 3010
3020 3059 3062 3075
3091 3105 3115

[Jared Russell]

That Curie is insane...

[Brad Voracek]

Hurrry uppppppp FIRSTT!

Haha.

I hope they mix it up this year, that would be interesting.

[Rick]

Woo! 40 deserves to be there. Watch out for their auto scoring everyone!

[Greg Peshek]

348 up now... I'm betting they stop here, because it divides evenly by 4 to get 87. I'm expecting divisions any minute now (I can only hope)

[Peter Matteson]

348 up now... I'm betting they stop here, because it divides evenly by 4 to get 87. I'm expecting divisions any minute now (I can only hope)

They usually don't go up until later in the afternoon. Around say 5pm.

[Greg Peshek]

They usually don't go up until later in the afternoon. Around say 5pm.

Yeah that's where the hoping comes in. I'm pretty sure it'll take them a bit to arrange them and get the order they want to get a semi-even distribution. If anything, if this is a stopping point, it allows rampant speculation that could actually end up in a correct prediction.

[sdcantrell56]

If this holds then curie is ridiculously loaded. It will be scary and incredibly fun playing in that division.

[EricLeifermann]

What team got added to make it 348?

[sdcantrell56]

Team 40 just got added.

[Rick]

I heard it through the grapevine that 348 teams is it. No more new teams will be added.

[EricLeifermann]

team 40 made it 347, i want to know who got added to make it 348

[Jimmy Cao]

It seems the 348th team is team 2767. Congrats!

ComputerwhizIA actually beat me to it, tho


(Side by side comparison of lists, 1st is from usfirst.org, 2nd is from earlier in this thread).

1 1
11 11
16 16
20 20
25 25
27 27
33 33
39 39
40 40
45 45
47 47
48 48
49 49
56 56
60 60
61 61
65 65
67 67
68 68
70 70
71 71
75 75
79 79
85 85
86 86
88 88
93 93
102 102
107 107
111 111
115 115
118 118
120 120
121 121
122 122
125 125
126 126
131 131
135 135
138 138
141 141
148 148
151 151
155 155
159 159
168 168
175 175
176 176
177 177
179 179
180 180
188 188
190 190
191 191
195 195
201 201
203 203
207 207
217 217
222 222
226 226
228 228
230 230
231 231
233 233
234 234
236 236
245 245
247 247
254 254
263 263
271 271
279 279
280 280
281 281
287 287
292 292
303 303
314 314
329 329
337 337
339 339
340 340
341 341
343 343
346 346
353 353
358 358
359 359
360 360
364 364
365 365
368 368
375 375
386 386
395 395
399 399
418 418
433 433
435 435
440 440
461 461
469 469
488 488
492 492
494 494
499 499
503 503
529 529
533 533
538 538
548 548
555 555
558 558
573 573
578 578
585 585
597 597
604 604
612 612
620 620
624 624
665 665
668 668
692 692
704 704
708 708
714 714
716 716
744 744
753 753
766 766
768 768
811 811
815 815
816 816
830 830
832 832
842 842
846 846
852 852
857 857
862 862
868 868
870 870
894 894
904 904
922 922
930 930
931 931
932 932
967 967
971 971
973 973
980 980
987 987
999 999
1002 1002
1013 1013
1014 1014
1023 1023
1024 1024
1038 1038
1058 1058
1086 1086
1089 1089
1098 1098
1099 1099
1108 1108
1114 1114
1124 1124
1138 1138
1155 1155
1165 1165
1195 1195
1208 1208
1209 1209
1218 1218
1250 1250
1261 1261
1266 1266
1270 1270
1287 1287
1288 1288
1289 1289
1302 1302
1305 1305
1311 1311
1318 1318
1323 1323
1332 1332
1334 1334
1341 1341
1350 1350
1390 1390
1421 1421
1425 1425
1429 1429
1450 1450
1458 1458
1477 1477
1502 1502
1503 1503
1506 1506
1507 1507
1511 1511
1516 1516
1519 1519
1527 1527
1535 1535
1538 1538
1540 1540
1547 1547
1551 1551
1555 1555
1557 1557
1561 1561
1566 1566
1569 1569
1577 1577
1592 1592
1598 1598
1601 1601
1622 1622
1625 1625
1629 1629
1646 1646
1649 1649
1657 1657
1662 1662
1675 1675
1676 1676
1700 1700
1701 1701
1706 1706
1710 1710
1712 1712
1714 1714
1717 1717
1726 1726
1730 1730
1731 1731
1732 1732
1739 1739
1742 1742
1743 1743
1745 1745
1746 1746
1747 1747
1771 1771
1772 1772
1796 1796
1806 1806
1807 1807
1811 1811
1829 1829
1834 1834
1836 1836
1868 1868
1872 1872
1885 1885
1893 1893
1902 1902
1918 1918
1923 1923
1927 1927
1941 1941
1983 1983
1986 1986
1987 1987
2004 2004
2039 2039
2056 2056
2067 2067
2070 2070
2075 2075
2169 2169
2173 2173
2185 2185
2194 2194
2214 2214
2220 2220
2230 2230
2234 2234
2283 2283
2340 2340
2344 2344
2348 2348
2354 2354
2377 2377
2415 2415
2443 2443
2470 2470
2486 2486
2500 2500
2520 2520
2543 2543
2549 2549
2550 2550
2579 2579
2587 2587
2590 2590
2609 2609
2621 2621
2635 2635
2638 2638
2642 2642
2655 2655
2659 2659
2702 2702
2729 2729
2741 2741
2753 2753
2767 2771
2771 2775
2775 2779
2779 2783
2783 2791
2791 2809
2809 2813
2813 2815
2815 2826
2826 2834
2834 2836
2836 2844
2844 2848
2848 2866
2866 2874
2874 2875
2875 2877
2877 2884
2884 2890
2890 2910
2910 2915
2915 2936
2936 2970
2970 2992
2992 2996
2996 3009
3009 3010
3010 3020
3020 3059
3059 3062
3062 3075
3075 3091
3091 3105
3105 3115
3115

[ComputerWhizIA]

After 10 minutes of looking it through by hand..(and beating someone using a computer...). Its team 2767 from Kalamazoo, MI. Congratulations :D

[prettycolors91]

This is killing me...slowly...

[EricLeifermann]

Congrats to 2767, but since they are a rookie how did they qualify? I don't see that they won an award to make it to Atlanta..

[ComputerWhizIA]

Congrats to 2767, but since they are a rookie how did they qualify? I don't see that they won an award to make it to Atlanta..

They must have went through the FiM rankings, and some teams above them might not have the ability to go to Atlanta. Thus, they were next in line to go Atlanta.

[Travis Hoffman]

Regular sort, 348 Teams. 40's addition (welcome!) discombobulated some earlier projections. ;)

Unofficial - FIRST may choose to fly a "sort"-ie (nyuck) and drop a sort bomb on all of us yet. :)


A C G N
1 11 16 20
25 27 33 39
40 45 47 48
49 56 60 61
65 67 68 70
71 75 79 85
86 88 93 102
107 111 115 118
120 121 122 125
126 131 135 138
141 148 151 155
159 168 175 176
177 179 180 188
190 191 195 201
203 207 217 222
226 228 230 231
233 234 236 245
247 254 263 271
279 280 281 287
292 303 314 329
337 339 340 341
343 346 353 358
359 360 364 365
368 375 386 395
399 418 433 435
440 461 469 488
492 494 499 503
529 533 538 548
555 558 573 578
585 597 604 612
620 624 665 668
692 704 708 714
716 744 753 766
768 811 815 816
830 832 842 846
852 857 862 868
870 894 904 922
930 931 932 967
971 973 980 987
999 1002 1013 1014
1023 1024 1038 1058
1086 1089 1098 1099
1108 1114 1124 1138
1155 1165 1195 1208
1209 1218 1250 1261
1266 1270 1287 1288
1289 1302 1305 1311
1318 1323 1332 1334
1341 1350 1390 1421
1425 1429 1450 1458
1477 1502 1503 1506
1507 1511 1516 1519
1527 1535 1538 1540
1547 1551 1555 1557
1561 1566 1569 1577
1592 1598 1601 1622
1625 1629 1646 1649
1657 1662 1675 1676
1700 1701 1706 1710
1712 1714 1717 1726
1730 1731 1732 1739
1742 1743 1745 1746
1747 1771 1772 1796
1806 1807 1811 1829
1834 1836 1868 1872
1885 1893 1902 1918
1923 1927 1941 1983
1986 1987 2004 2039
2056 2067 2070 2075
2169 2173 2185 2194
2214 2220 2230 2234
2283 2340 2344 2348
2354 2377 2415 2443
2470 2486 2500 2520
2543 2549 2550 2579
2587 2590 2609 2621
2635 2638 2642 2655
2659 2702 2729 2741
2753 2767 2771 2775
2779 2783 2791 2809
2813 2815 2826 2834
2836 2844 2848 2866
2874 2875 2877 2884
2890 2910 2915 2936
2970 2992 2996 3009
3010 3020 3059 3062
3075 3091 3105 3115

[Jared Russell]

SOME OF THEM ARE UP!?

https://my.usfirst.org/myarea/index.lasso?page=teamlist&event_type=FRC&event=CMP&year=2009&sort=teamnum

EDIT: While incomplete, what's up now is COMPLETELY different from anything posted here...

[DUCKIE]

they're all up now

Is that a snaking sort?

(I assume so because 364 and 365 are both in Newton.)

[E. Wood]

I think they are all up now.

[Aren_Hill]

they all look up to me...schweetness

[EricLeifermann]

SOME OF THEM ARE UP!?

https://my.usfirst.org/myarea/index.lasso?page=teamlist&event_type=FRC&event=CMP&year=2009&sort=teamnum

EDIT: While incomplete, what's up now is COMPLETELY different from anything posted here...

If this is correct im super excited, im with some teams i was hoping to be with since they signed up for Atlanta.

[MrForbes]

looks pretty random when you sort by team number and look at division...

Yay, we're with 842! and 148 and 1625 and 33 and 16 and.....

[David Brinza]

looks pretty random when you sort by team number and look at division...

Yay, we're with 842! and 148 and 1625 and 33 and 16 and.....
Newton looks like a great division to play in - some really awesome teams to be found! Including the NERDS, Pink Team, Cyber-Blue, X-Cats,...

I'm really excited to have the chance to play with Bomb Squad (Team 16 has literally been part of my family, but I don't believe we've shared a field since I joined Team 980 in 2003).

[Jared Russell]

After looking through these divisions a couple times, I think there are some pretty significant differences in depth.

Galileo looks to me to be the most accomplished field, followed by Curie, Newton, and Archimedes (IMO).

[Bob Steele]

There does not seem to be any apparent order that the teams were picked if you look at the number sorting. Nothing like what we have seen in the past.
Must be a random sort by number or they used some other sorting parameter.

We look forward to playing in Curie...

[Tyler Hicks]

Does Anybody know what TV channels The Championship will be on???? And what times??

[David Brinza]

Does Anybody know what TV channels The Championship will be on???? And what times??NASA TV generally carries Championship on Friday and Saturday (all day). Hopefully, the event stays on schedule so the finals on Einstein are broadcast.

[Alan Anderson]

Does Anybody know what TV channels The Championship will be on???? And what times??

The Championship information page on the FIRST web site includes this:*Live viewing of the Championship courtesy of NASA - NASA will Web cast (http://robotics.nasa.gov/events/2009_frcwebcasts.php) the event. You may also view it on NASA TV. (http://www.nasa.gov/multimedia/nasatv/digital.html)

That's the best and most official schedule I know how to find.

[Alex Cormier]

I haven't checked...

Maybe some how there is a fancy algorithm for this. Possibly... add all the team numbers up for each division and see where it goes from there? :p

[waialua359]

So Dave,
how did you do it? :D

We're always in Newton or Galileo every year. At least our HP, who pushes the cart wont have to walk as far.
Wait, are they switching the locations of the divisions also? :P

[Brad Voracek]

So Dave,
how did you do it? :D

We're always in Newton or Galileo every year. At least our HP, who pushes the cart wont have to walk as far.
Wait, are they switching the locations of the divisions also? :P

I'm pretty sure Dave doesn't have much to do with the division selections... And it would be interesting if they switched positions of the playing fields too, but I doubt it.

We've been on Galileo or Newton every year I've been on the team also.. Except this year. Curie here we come!

[dodar]

I hope they do cause we are in Archimedes and since ive never been on the drive team, everyone else that has says it is SO FAR AWAY!!!

[Collin Fultz]

So Dave,
how did you do it? :D


It'd be cool if they did it where 4 people got in a room with a list of teams. Each person was in charge of a division and they just went 1-4, 4-1, 1-4,... to pick teams for their division. Granted, this would probably take for ever, and there is probably a much more involved explanation, but I'd love to be a fly on the wall in that room.

[Rick]

My guess is they simply randomized the list of teams, then went ABCD ABCD down the new randomized list.

[Vikesrock]

My guess is they simply randomized the list of teams, then went ABCD ABCD down the new randomized list.

*Sees an image of a giant team list shuffling around on a huge screen. Yells out "Randomizer, Randomizer Oy Oy Oy" then ignores weird look from roommate*

[mjazzka]

OK, so somehow I had 280 duplicated :o (must have added over the weekend) here is a new one where 67 and 2056 are not together but Archi is still very good. Tell me if you see any other errors


Archi Curie Galileo Newton
1 11 16 20
25 27 33 39
45 47 48 49
56 60 61 65
67 68 70 71
75 79 85 86
88 93 102 107
111 115 118 120
121 122 125 126
131 135 138 141
148 151 155 159
168 175 176 177
179 180 188 190
191 195 201 203
207 217 222 226
228 230 231 233
234 236 245 247
254 263 271 279
280 281 287 292
303 314 326 329
337 339 340 341
343 346 353 358
359 360 364 365
368 375 386 395
399 418 433 435
440 461 469 488
492 494 499 503
529 533 538 548
555 558 573 578
585 597 604 612
620 624 665 668
692 704 708 714
716 744 753 766
768 811 815 816
830 832 842 846
852 857 862 868
870 894 904 910
922 930 931 932
967 971 973 980
987 999 1002 1013
1014 1023 1024 1038
1058 1086 1089 1098
1099 1108 1114 1124
1138 1155 1165 1195
1208 1209 1218 1250
1261 1266 1270 1287
1288 1289 1302 1305
1311 1318 1323 1332
1334 1341 1350 1390
1421 1425 1429 1450
1458 1477 1502 1503
1506 1507 1511 1516
1519 1527 1535 1538
1540 1547 1551 1555
1557 1561 1566 1569
1577 1592 1598 1601
1622 1625 1629 1646
1649 1657 1662 1675
1676 1700 1706 1710
1712 1714 1717 1726
1730 1731 1732 1739
1742 1743 1745 1746
1747 1771 1772 1796
1806 1807 1811 1829
1834 1836 1868 1872
1885 1893 1902 1918
1923 1927 1983 1986
1987 2004 2039 2056
2067 2070 2169 2173
2185 2188 2194 2214
2220 2230 2234 2283
2340 2344 2348 2354
2377 2415 2443 2470
2486 2500 2520 2543
2549 2550 2579 2587
2590 2609 2620 2621
2635 2638 2642 2655
2659 2702 2729 2741
2753 2771 2775 2779
2783 2791 2809 2813
2815 2826 2834 2836
2844 2848 2866 2874
2875 2877 2884 2890
2910 2915 2936 2970
2992 2996 3009 3010
3020 3059 3062 3075
3091 3105

Maybe I'm the only one who sees this, but isnt 67 in Galileo? Or am I reading First's website wrong? And I am pretty sure 624 is in Archie, lol I've seen us in Galileo, Archie, and now Curie. Whats goin on? Sorry if someone already caught this...

[Greg Peshek]

Maybe I'm the only one who sees this, but isnt 67 in Galileo? Or am I reading First's website wrong? And I am pretty sure 624 is in Archie, lol I've seen us in Galileo, Archie, and now Curie. Whats goin on? Sorry if someone already caught this...

Those were the predicted divisions according to an algorithm he was trying to use to guess what FIRST would do. You changed divisions because he kept adding teams before you, so you would shift over according to the algorithm.

[EricH]

Maybe I'm the only one who sees this, but isnt 67 in Galileo? Or am I reading First's website wrong? And I am pretty sure 624 is in Archie, lol I've seen us in Galileo, Archie, and now Curie. Whats goin on? Sorry if someone already caught this...
The list here is unofficial. Use the official FIRST site for official division lists.

[mjazzka]

Those were the predicted divisions according to an algorithm he was trying to use to guess what FIRST would do. You changed divisions because he kept adding teams before you, so you would shift over according to the algorithm.

Haha yeah I realized about 15 minutes after I posted that it it was probably some FF thing, being Koko Ed and all...Thanks for clearing that up for me!

[EricH]

Haha yeah I realized about 15 minutes after I posted that it it was probably some FF thing, being Koko Ed and all...Thanks for clearing that up for me!
Ummm... Wrong subforum. Lucas isn't Ed...

FF has its own subforum (under Games/Trivia), and doesn't use divisions of any form for the Championship. The random list isn't even random for said event, it's the list of teams in order of FF points starting at the 101st team on the list.