Curie 2009!

[Fireworks 234]

So here's the Curie division of 2009! (The page wasn't up yet, sorry)

1 27 49 60 68 70 75 79 131 141 175 188 190 217 236 245 247 254 263 271 287 329 337 341 346 375 395 399 499 538 597 668 766 816

830 894 904 922 930 1013 1024 1089 1099 1108 1165 1287 1288 1305 1323 1425 1429 1502 1519 1527 1566 1577 1622 1675 1731 1747 1771

1796 1806 1893 1927 1983 2039 2173 2185 2194 2443 2500 2520 2590 2621 2635 2767 2791 2809 2815 2834 2877 2884 2992 3010 3105 3115

Looks like fun! See you all there!

[Brad Voracek]

Curieeee is where it's at this year.

Glad to see 816 with us here, I wanted the chance to drive against them... Or with them. ;)

THunder chickens too. I had fun playing against them last year, they gave us "The Team That Fried Us" award because of some major defense in quallifying. Heh.



I can't wait... Time to start scouting. I'll have video of us uploaded later today. Both of our regionals weren't webcast, so we're relatively low on the radar. Not how I want to go into it. Hopefully we'll make a good preshow... Then see you all at the real thing.


Upon further investigation, 254... 1771... 79.... And I'm sure tons of teams slipping my mind. This is going to be a fun division.

[flyingcrayons]

1089 is excited to be in curie! looks like to be an awesome competition!!!

[armyOFdarkness]

This should definitely be a fun division to play in. We're looking forward to seeing everyone in Atlanta.

[darkember]

This looks like its going to be a lot of fun.:D Cant wait!

[Jared Russell]

1 **
27
49
60
68 +*
70 +
75
79 +*
131
141
175 +*
188 +*
190 +
217 +++
236
245 +*
247 +*
254 +
263
271
287 +
329 *
337
341 +
346 +
375
395 +
399 +
499
538 **
597 *
668 +
766
816
830
894
904 **
922
930
1013 +
1024 +
1089
1099 +
1108
1165 +
1287
1288
1305 *
1323
1425 +
1429
1502
1519
1527
1566
1577
1622 +
1675 +
1731
1747 +
1771 +
1796 +
1806 +
1893 +
1927
1983 +
2039 +*
2173 +
2185 ++
2194 +
2443 +
2500
2520
2590
2621 +
2635 +
2767
2791
2809
2815 +
2834
2877
2884
2992
3010 *
3105
3115

* = Regional/district finalist
+ = Regional/district winner

Total: 40 wins :yikes: , 17 additional finals appearances

EDIT: Sorry, 2815 was a finalist instead. Make that 39 wins and 18 finalist finishes.

[Fireworks 234]

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Total: 40 wins :yikes: , 17 additional finals appearances

This is going to be a fun division!

*BTW thanks for figuring that out, I was going to do this if someone didn't by the time I got back

[robodude03]

1 **

Total: 40 wins :yikes: , 17 additional finals appearances

Wow :ahh: This is definitely going to be a competitive division. I like the spread of teams here...let the scouting begin!

[martin417]

I can't wait... Time to start scouting. I'll have video of us uploaded later today. Both of our regionals weren't webcast, so we're relatively low on the radar. Not how I want to go into it. Hopefully we'll make a good preshow... Then see you all at the real thing.

You guys are ranked #3 in the world (by OPR)... Definitely NOT low on the radar

[Jonathan Norris]

188, 217, 254, 68, 79, 175, 1771, 1024, 245, 247....

Wow all great teams that I look forward to playing with and against next week. Curie is going to be a blast!

[BrendanB]

This is going to be one fun division to play in.

1519 is just about ready

[Jared Russell]

Looking again at that depth another way...there are going to be at least 13 regional/district winners who won't even make it to the playoffs (37 different champions - 24 playoff teams).

Even with her brand new scoring system upgrade, Miss Daisy is shaking in her boots! :eek:

EDIT: Sorry, 36 unique winners. So 12 teams left out.

[ATannahill]

Nice group, looking forward to playing with 1, 254 and 1024. 217 caused me to jump when I saw them.

[JonellGregor]

Team 79 is so excited!!
It looks like this field will be fun :)

[soccerchapo12]

good luck to team 399 and 341!!!
from 1332!!!

[JasonV]

This division looks really fun, plenty of teams I have and have not seen.

Team 217 is ready to bring the Thunder!!!

[Brad Voracek]

Looking again at that depth another way...there are going to be at least 13 regional/district winners who won't even make it to the playoffs (37 different champions - 24 playoff teams).

Even with her brand new scoring system upgrade, Miss Daisy is shaking in her boots! :eek:

Is there any way to check how many of the 37 different champions were first selections or alliance captains?

Another way to ask - how many of our winners were second picks?

[Jared Russell]

Is there any way to check how many of the 37 different champions were first selections or alliance captains?

Another way to ask - how many of our winners were second picks?

I will go through and check. At first glance several of the winners were indeed the later picks, but this of course doesn't mean that they didn't contribute to their alliance.

[Vikesrock]

Is there any way to check how many of the 37 different champions were first selections or alliance captains?

Another way to ask - how many of our winners were second picks?

Check out Team 1114's Scouting Database (http://www.chiefdelphi.com/media/papers/2236). It's not updated with divisions yet, but I'm sure it will be soon.

[Brad Voracek]

I will go through and check. At first glance several of the winners were indeed the later picks, but this of course doesn't mean that they didn't contribute to their alliance.

Oh of course, in this game more than ever, the third robot is extremely important. And if you can survive through the finals, you did something right. It's just interesting to know.

[Bob Steele]

Skunkworks is looking forward to a great competition in Atlanta!!
Curie is the place to be!! We anticipate making a bunch of new friends from all over FIRST!!!

If anyone is compiling the information regarding the regional winners

We were the #1 pick by the #1 Alliance captain in both Portland and Seattle.
Thanks to 1318 and 2635 we were able to be part of the Oregon winning Alliance.

See you all in about a week!! I can't believe it!!!

[Jared Russell]

Winner breakdown from the 1114 database:

68 seeded 14th and was the 1st pick.
70 seeded 5th and was the 1st pick
79 seeded 2nd and was the #2 alliance captain
175 seeded 6th and was the 4th pick
188 seeded 3rd and was the 1st pick
190 seeded 5th and was the 2nd pick
217 seeded 2nd, 1st, and 1st, and was the 1st pick, #1 captain, and #1 captain
245 seeded 1st and was the #1 alliance captain
247 seeded 17th and was the 16th pick (second round)
254 seeded 9th and was the 1st pick
287 seeded 5th and was the #4 alliance captain
341 seeded 7th and was the 4th pick
346 seeded 2nd and was the #2 alliance captain
395 seeded 10th and was the #6 alliance captain
399 seeded 1st and was the #1 alliance captain
668 seeded 18th and was the 1st pick
1013 seeded 27th and was the 14th pick (second round)
1024 seeded 33rd and was the 13th pick (second round)
1099 seeded 28th and was the 15th pick (second round)
1165 seeded 21st and was the 16th pick (second round)
1425 seeded 2nd and was the #2 alliance captain
1622 seeded 3rd and was the #3 alliance captain
1675 seeded 27th and was the 14th pick (second round)
1747 seeded 1st and was the #1 alliance captain
1771 seeded 3rd and was the #3 alliance captain
1796 seeded 23rd and was the 13th pick (second round)
1806 seeded 1st and was the #1 alliance captain
1893 seeded 13th and was the 12th pick (second round)
1983 seeded 19th and was the 1st pick
2039 seeded 1st and was the #1 alliance captain
2173 seeded 28th and was the 16th pick (second round)
2185 seeded 26th and 46th and was the 16th pick and 16th pick (second round x2)
2194 seeded 32nd and was the 16th pick (second round)
2443 seeded 22nd and was the 15th pick (second round)
2621 seeded 19th and was the 13th pick (second round)
2635 seeded 22nd and was the 16th pick (second round)
2815 was a finalist rather than a winner (my mistake!)

So a total of 15 of our 39 wins were as a second round pick (38.5%). Consider that, naturally, 33% of all regional winners are second round picks :) .

Also note that only 395 and 1893 won on anything but one of the top 4 alliances.

[DanDon]

w00000000t! 1 week to lift-off!!

I'm really excited to see the depth of this field, and to see a bunch of old friends.

See y'all at the big show!

[Danny McC]

This should be a very competitive field to be on. Glad to see we are with some of the teams I was hoping to be in a Division with because they seem cool and have some skill. :).

[Doppler]

Below are links to TBA profiles of all the teams in Curie. Just in case any scouts are getting a bit antsy. :]
1 (http://www.thebluealliance.net/tbatv/team/1)
27 (http://www.thebluealliance.net/tbatv/team/27)
49 (http://www.thebluealliance.net/tbatv/team/49)
60 (http://www.thebluealliance.net/tbatv/team/60)
68 (http://www.thebluealliance.net/tbatv/team/68)
70 (http://www.thebluealliance.net/tbatv/team/70)
75 (http://www.thebluealliance.net/tbatv/team/75)
79 (http://www.thebluealliance.net/tbatv/team/79)
131 (http://www.thebluealliance.net/tbatv/team/131)
141 (http://www.thebluealliance.net/tbatv/team/141)
175 (http://www.thebluealliance.net/tbatv/team/175)
188 (http://www.thebluealliance.net/tbatv/team/188)
190 (http://www.thebluealliance.net/tbatv/team/190)
217 (http://www.thebluealliance.net/tbatv/team/217)
236 (http://www.thebluealliance.net/tbatv/team/236)
245 (http://www.thebluealliance.net/tbatv/team/245)
247 (http://www.thebluealliance.net/tbatv/team/247)
254 (http://www.thebluealliance.net/tbatv/team/254)
263 (http://www.thebluealliance.net/tbatv/team/263)
271 (http://www.thebluealliance.net/tbatv/team/271)
287 (http://www.thebluealliance.net/tbatv/team/287)
329 (http://www.thebluealliance.net/tbatv/team/329)
337 (http://www.thebluealliance.net/tbatv/team/337)
341 (http://www.thebluealliance.net/tbatv/team/341)
346 (http://www.thebluealliance.net/tbatv/team/346)
375 (http://www.thebluealliance.net/tbatv/team/375)
395 (http://www.thebluealliance.net/tbatv/team/395)
399 (http://www.thebluealliance.net/tbatv/team/399)
499 (http://www.thebluealliance.net/tbatv/team/499)
538 (http://www.thebluealliance.net/tbatv/team/538)
597 (http://www.thebluealliance.net/tbatv/team/597)
668 (http://www.thebluealliance.net/tbatv/team/668)
766 (http://www.thebluealliance.net/tbatv/team/766)
816 (http://www.thebluealliance.net/tbatv/team/816)
830 (http://www.thebluealliance.net/tbatv/team/830)
894 (http://www.thebluealliance.net/tbatv/team/894)
904 (http://www.thebluealliance.net/tbatv/team/904)
922 (http://www.thebluealliance.net/tbatv/team/922)
930 (http://www.thebluealliance.net/tbatv/team/930)
1013 (http://www.thebluealliance.net/tbatv/team/1013)
1024 (http://www.thebluealliance.net/tbatv/team/1024)
1089 (http://www.thebluealliance.net/tbatv/team/1089)
1099 (http://www.thebluealliance.net/tbatv/team/1099)
1108 (http://www.thebluealliance.net/tbatv/team/1108)
1165 (http://www.thebluealliance.net/tbatv/team/1165)
1287 (http://www.thebluealliance.net/tbatv/team/1287)
1288 (http://www.thebluealliance.net/tbatv/team/1288)
1305 (http://www.thebluealliance.net/tbatv/team/1305)
1323 (http://www.thebluealliance.net/tbatv/team/1323)
1425 (http://www.thebluealliance.net/tbatv/team/1425)
1429 (http://www.thebluealliance.net/tbatv/team/1429)
1502 (http://www.thebluealliance.net/tbatv/team/1502)
1519 (http://www.thebluealliance.net/tbatv/team/1519)
1527 (http://www.thebluealliance.net/tbatv/team/1527)
1566 (http://www.thebluealliance.net/tbatv/team/1566)
1577 (http://www.thebluealliance.net/tbatv/team/1577)
1622 (http://www.thebluealliance.net/tbatv/team/1622)
1675 (http://www.thebluealliance.net/tbatv/team/1675)
1731 (http://www.thebluealliance.net/tbatv/team/1731)
1747 (http://www.thebluealliance.net/tbatv/team/1747)
1771 (http://www.thebluealliance.net/tbatv/team/1771)
1796 (http://www.thebluealliance.net/tbatv/team/1796)
1806 (http://www.thebluealliance.net/tbatv/team/1806)
1893 (http://www.thebluealliance.net/tbatv/team/1893)
1927 (http://www.thebluealliance.net/tbatv/team/1927)
1983 (http://www.thebluealliance.net/tbatv/team/1983)
2039 (http://www.thebluealliance.net/tbatv/team/2039)
2173 (http://www.thebluealliance.net/tbatv/team/2173)
2185 (http://www.thebluealliance.net/tbatv/team/2185)
2194 (http://www.thebluealliance.net/tbatv/team/2194)
2443 (http://www.thebluealliance.net/tbatv/team/2443)
2500 (http://www.thebluealliance.net/tbatv/team/2500)
2520 (http://www.thebluealliance.net/tbatv/team/2520)
2590 (http://www.thebluealliance.net/tbatv/team/2590)
2621 (http://www.thebluealliance.net/tbatv/team/2621)
2635 (http://www.thebluealliance.net/tbatv/team/2635)
2767 (http://www.thebluealliance.net/tbatv/team/2767)
2791 (http://www.thebluealliance.net/tbatv/team/2791)
2809 (http://www.thebluealliance.net/tbatv/team/2809)
2815 (http://www.thebluealliance.net/tbatv/team/2815)
2834 (http://www.thebluealliance.net/tbatv/team/2834)
2877 (http://www.thebluealliance.net/tbatv/team/2877)
2884 (http://www.thebluealliance.net/tbatv/team/2884)
2992 (http://www.thebluealliance.net/tbatv/team/2992)
3010 (http://www.thebluealliance.net/tbatv/team/3010)
3105 (http://www.thebluealliance.net/tbatv/team/3105)
3115 (http://www.thebluealliance.net/tbatv/team/3115)

[ehcualp]

dang, i was hoping not to end up with 217 or 67. Oh well. Murphy Law never fails.
This will be an interesting division. I'm looking forward to seeing all of you there!

[robodude03]

good luck to team 399 and 341!!!
from 1332!!!

Thanks a lot! I was bummed out when you guys weren't in our division, but hopefully we'll see eachother later in the competition ;) Good luck to you guys too!

[mikelowry]

Well it looks like there is going to be some great competition :D Team 1771 is very excited to compete against all of you!

[chessking132]

looks like curie is going to have some prity awsome robots this year. Team 75 cant wait it should be a blast.

Matthew Simpson

Team 75 Driver

[Diriye]

Dang, from top to bottom, Curie's looking like the most well-rounded division. Sweeeeeet! After an extended hiatus from the Championship stage, Team 188 is thrilled to be back!

Gotta get those vocal cords warmed up. Ahem, MADAM...CURIE...nice...:D

[Neal G]

Nice group, looking forward to playing with 1, 254 and 1024. 217 caused me to jump when I saw them.

And I jumped when I saw team 79 in their too haha. This is definitely Curie's year to win it all, even if 1114 and 2056 team up in Archimedes :yikes:

[Jared Russell]

Who is the usual MC for Curie?

[Brad Voracek]

Sh... I don't know her name. The usual lady MC, Shaniqua maybe? did it last year.

I'm betting they switch Mark Leon to it though, he usually follows 254, and there was some drama with that last year I believe.


Whoever we get should be fun. I personally like Blair. =p

[martin417]

Sh... I don't know her name. The usual lady MC, Shaniqua maybe? did it last year.

I'm betting they switch Mark Leon to it though, he usually follows 254, and there was some drama with that last year I believe.


Whoever we get should be fun. I personally like Blair. =p

I am pretty sure she spent most of her time on Archimedes last year. We started out with Troy, but switched to Shaniqua (sp?) early on.

[thefro526]

Wow, this thread totally owns me. I'm away from a computer for a day and there's a thread 3 page thread of awesome when I returned...

I'm so excited to be on Curie. 4 Divisions in 4 years. :D

[BandChick]

Who is the usual MC for Curie?

I'm pretty sure it's always been Marc Leon.
At least, I can remember him being over there at various points between 2003-2008.

[edit]Also, there's some more neat scouting data (Division strengths) over here, that you folks might want to check out.
http://www.chiefdelphi.com/forums/showthread.php?p=847636#post847636

[robodude03]

Also, there's some more neat scouting data (Division strengths) over here, that you folks might want to check out.
http://www.chiefdelphi.com/forums/showthread.php?p=847636#post847636

Looks like the divisions are pretty even in terms of OPR. Einstein is going to be amazing this year!

[OZ_341]

I could be wrong, but I am pretty sure that Curie has been Jeff Seaton out of NASA Langley. If so Jeff is a great MC. He often hosts Chesapeake.

But they are really all very good at the Championship.

[Fireworks 234]

Out of curiosity, how many teams have been on Curie for more than 1 year? If so, how many years?

I know that this year makes our 2nd year in a row on Curie.

[martin417]

We were on Archimedes last year.

[Greg Needel]

I could be wrong, but I am pretty sure that Curie has been Jeff Seaton out of NASA Langley. If so Jeff is a great MC. He often hosts Chesapeake.

But they are really all very good at the Championship.

I'm pretty sure it's always been Marc Leon.
At least, I can remember him being over there at various points between 2003-2008.

[edit]Also, there's some more neat scouting data (Division strengths) over here, that you folks might want to check out.
http://www.chiefdelphi.com/forums/showthread.php?p=847636#post847636

Sh... I don't know her name. The usual lady MC, Shaniqua maybe? did it last year.

I'm betting they switch Mark Leon to it though, he usually follows 254, and there was some drama with that last year I believe.


Whoever we get should be fun. I personally like Blair. =p

Who is the usual MC for Curie?



Mark Leon does curie he has done so since atleast 2005. Typically all of the fields will get a few matches with all of the MC's as they switch around a bit during the event, but he is the main one for that field.

[HighLife]

Looks like some good competition. :)

[R.C.]

Archimedes for the past three, now Curie. Can't wait for the awesome competition.

[davidfv]

Is there any way to check how many of the 37 different champions were first selections or alliance captains?

Another way to ask - how many of our winners were second picks?

39 Regional Winners - here is the breakdown
6- Alliance Captain 1
3- Alliance Captain 2
2- Alliance Captain 3
1- Alliance Captain 6
7- 1st picks
1- 2nd pick
1- 3rd pick
2- 4th picks
1- 5th pick
1- 12th pick
3- 13th picks
2- 14th picks
2- 15th picks
7- 16th picks

2 Teams were Multiple Winners (2 regionals):
217 Alliance Captain 1, 1st Pick
2185 16th Pick, 16th Pick

[Fireworks 234]

39 Regional Winners - here is the breakdown
6- Alliance Captain 1
3- Alliance Captain 2
2- Alliance Captain 3
1- Alliance Captain 6
7- 1st picks
1- 2nd pick
1- 3rd pick
2- 4th picks
1- 5th pick
1- 12th pick
3- 13th picks
2- 14th picks
2- 15th picks
7- 16th picks

2 Teams were Multiple Winners (2 regionals):
217 Alliance Captain 1, 1st Pick
2185 16th Pick, 16th Pick

I thought 217 won 3 regionals. Twice as alliance captain and once as the first pick.

[Brad Voracek]

From Ed Law's spreadsheet, http://www.chiefdelphi.com/forums/showthread.php?p=847636#post847636

Everyones Offensive Power Ranking and Calculated Contribution to Winning Margin

Team # OPR Team # CCWM
399 51.2 399 45.3
188 49.2 1771 28.9
175 40.3 217 28.1
395 39.0 1622 27.9
1771 39.0 188 27.2
217 38.8 175 27.0
1622 38.7 1806 25.7
1806 38.0 395 25.6
79 37.7 79 24.4
2992 36.2 2992 23.1
2877 34.4 346 21.8
1983 34.3 254 21.3
245 33.4 2877 21.1
346 32.5 245 19.9
254 32.5 597 18.4
2039 31.1 2039 17.9
27 30.7 3010 16.8
190 30.2 287 16.8
1519 29.2 271 15.9
287 28.6 27 15.8
375 28.4 1983 14.9
1893 27.6 190 14.7
68 27.5 1519 14.4
597 27.3 904 13.8
337 27.1 75 12.6
1731 26.9 1675 12.5
236 26.9 68 11.2
1747 26.7 2194 9.4
271 26.4 236 9.1
70 25.2 2767 8.9
3010 24.8 341 8.9
816 24.5 337 8.9
1425 24.5 1577 8.2
2834 24.4 816 7.8
1796 24.3 1731 7.8
668 23.9 668 7.4
904 23.6 538 6.9
2791 23.3 1796 6.8
1287 23.3 1108 6.6
1108 23.3 1 6.5
2815 22.4 1747 6.4
1675 22.4 2815 5.6
1024 21.9 375 5.6
2767 21.3 1165 5.2
1927 21.1 247 4.9
263 20.8 60 4.4
1 20.8 499 4.1
75 20.6 49 4.0
922 20.6 141 3.5
341 20.5 1893 3.0
2621 20.3 2590 2.9
930 19.8 2834 2.3
60 19.5 922 2.3
2809 19.4 2621 2.3
766 19.2 70 2.2
1013 19.2 830 1.9
1165 19.0 1502 1.7
2194 18.7 131 1.6
1502 18.6 1927 0.7
141 18.3 2635 0.7
830 17.7 766 0.2
1323 17.3 1323 0.0
247 17.3 1425 0.0
3115 17.3 1089 -0.4
131 16.9 1527 -0.5
1305 16.9 1287 -0.6
2635 16.5 3115 -1.0
49 15.8 1013 -2.7
1288 15.3 1024 -2.9
499 15.2 2791 -3.1
3105 15.2 1288 -3.9
538 14.4 894 -4.2
1577 13.7 930 -4.6
2884 13.2 3105 -5.4
2500 13.0 2809 -5.9
1527 12.8 1099 -6.5
894 11.5 329 -7.5
2590 11.3 1305 -8.2
1089 10.8 2884 -8.9
2185 9.6 2443 -9.7
2443 9.1 263 -11.0
1566 8.4 2500 -13.3
1099 8.1 1429 -15.1
1429 6.2 2185 -17.0
2520 5.9 2520 -17.5
2173 5.3 1566 -17.6
329 3.9 2173 -20.8

[luciaes]

Out of curiosity, how many teams have been on Curie for more than 1 year? If so, how many years?

I know that this year makes our 2nd year in a row on Curie.

this will be 830's 3rd year in a row on Curie

[darkember]

I used up all my paitence waiting for the divisions to come out and now I have no patience left in me to wait any longer for Nats. We are definetily going to have a blast on this division.:D

[hayleybayley217]

I thought 217 won 3 regionals. Twice as alliance captain and once as the first pick.

Yeah. If you count MSC, we won three events. We were alliance captains twice(Troy and MSC) and first pick by HOT(Cass Tech).

[wendells]

Jared,
Team 2185 won Waterloo and GTA regionals

[davidfv]

I thought 217 won 3 events. Twice as alliance captain and once as the first pick.

They won 2 Michigan Events, and the Michigan State Championship. Will check out the data base and see where I may have missed it, must be in my sorting.

[hayleybayley217]

They actually won Midwest Regional, 2 Michigan Events, and the Michigan State Championship. Will check out the data base and see where I may have missed it.


Alright we need to get this straight. We did not win the Midwest Regional.
We were semifinalists at Midwest.
We won both Troy and Cass Tech, as well as the Michigan State Championship.

[Steve W]

Mark Leon does curie he has done so since atleast 2005. Typically all of the fields will get a few matches with all of the MC's as they switch around a bit during the event, but he is the main one for that field.

He was there in 2003 and 2004 also as I announced with him those years.

[AlexD744]

You guys are ranked #3 in the world (by OPR)... Definitely NOT low on the radar

I can't download the software for some reason, can someone tell me 744's OPR for this year? Thank You.

[ScottOliveira]

744
Average Winning Margin per Match: 7.7
Calculated Contribution to Winning Margin: 25.4
CCWM Regional Rank: 3
CCWM World Rank: 48 out of 1674
Average Score per Match: 22.3
Offensive Power Rating(OPR): 33.2
OPR Regional Rank: 5
OPR World Rank: 67 out of 1674

[Ed Law]

I can't download the software for some reason, can someone tell me 744's OPR for this year? Thank You.

It is 33.2 and ranked 67 out of 1674 teams.

Ed

[AlexD744]

Thank You. Umm .. One more thing, what is CCWM?

[Ed Law]

Thank You. Umm .. One more thing, what is CCWM?

You can read this post.
http://www.chiefdelphi.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=76618

and refer to white paper
http://www.chiefdelphi.com/media/papers/2174

Ed

[Fireworks 234]

What is CCWM?
It stands for Calculated Contribution to Winning Margin. It is numerically equivalent to Plus/Minus Rating that some other people use. You can refer to my white paper which explains it in detail.

Ed
Here's what Ed said earlier.

[thefro526]

So this thread has gotten rather quiet. We should be up to like 8 pages by now.

So, is anyone doing anything new and exciting to their robot for The Championship?

816 has some tricks up their sleeves....

[ehcualp]

So this thread has gotten rather quiet. We should be up to like 8 pages by now.

So, is anyone doing anything new and exciting to their robot for The Championship?

816 has some tricks up their sleeves....

2992 has a few aces too. We plan on changing a few gear ratios around so that we can score faster. And we also plan on changing the angle on our turret to shoot directly at the trailer instead of dropping the balls in. We should, according to our math, be able to score at least 50% more than what we have been doing.
I'm looking forward to competing. Its been a few weeks since I've even seen our robot... :(

[BrendanB]

We have made some changes. I'll get a picture of our modifications tonight. They are cool

[Bob Steele]

The Skunks have done some slight alterations on our swerve/crab drive. We added a different type of encoder that allows our software algorithms to work even better and make us even harder to track down and gives us even better maneuverability.

This could be fun...

Good luck to everyone else on Curie!! We look forward to making new friends and having a great competition.!!

[thefro526]

2992 has a few aces too. We plan on changing a few gear ratios around so that we can score faster. And we also plan on changing the angle on our turret to shoot directly at the trailer instead of dropping the balls in. We should, according to our math, be able to score at least 50% more than what we have been doing.
I'm looking forward to competing. Its been a few weeks since I've even seen our robot... :(

Cool, Oddly enough we're probably going to slow down our Scoring mechanism. It's so fast that we actually have the tendency to Jam up a bit, still being able to offload 20 balls in about 3 seconds should be enough to get the job done, I hope. We're also going to fix our Accuracy issue too...

[Raumiester2010]

We learned from last year.


last year, on Thursday alone we tore off our arm that we had re designed like 8 time and replaced it with a launcher that worked quite well

this year, with a hopper and conveyor system that can pick up from the ground and human player and holds 25 balls on average, a dumper that can pump balls out 2 at a time, a empty cell holder that works but we haven't had much use for, traction control that hasn't been giving us any trouble, and 8 functional auton codes that work in all of the positions; we haven't had much to twiddle with...

to tell the truth, the pit crew(including me) have been bored... if anyone needs help, come ask us(we are really easy to find, just look for our giant banner and flags hanging off of our tool box)
spare parts, tools, stock; we usually have it all:cool:

[ScottOliveira]

1771 has primarily just been doing code improvements, and getting in driving time and human player practice. Most hardware changes are pretty minor, only one that jumps to mind is some new heat sinks on our Fisher-Price's to help with overheating. We haven't had any overheating problems yet, but we don't want to start at championships.

[Brad Voracek]

As far as I know, we arent changing anything but our scouting.

I fiddled with the idea of a fan for a while... But I think extra practice time will be more worth it than messing with our entire robot Thursday.



Hopefully it doesn't come back to haunt us, not changing anythinggg..

[Dave McLaughlin]

But I think extra practice time will be more worth it than messing with our entire robot Thursday.

We felt the same way, aside from swapping encoders we kept alterations to a minimum to get the most time on the field on Thursday.

[Brad Voracek]

We felt the same way, aside from swapping encoders we kept alterations to a minimum to get the most time on the field on Thursday.

Considering we only have 25 official matches of practice, and 217 has a whopping 67, I think we have some catching up to do.... I like our decision, hopefully it plays out well for us!

[thefro526]

Considering we only have 25 official matches of practice, and 217 has a whopping 67, I think we have some catching up to do.... I like our decision, hopefully it plays out well for us!

Same here. There was a point where I was going to add a Fan, An Empty Cell Mechanism, and A "Hood". Then I realized that'd that waste too much valuable practice and inspection time. So, I've simplified it down to swapping out a sprocket and adding a new toy. Both of which should only take about a half hour. My Goal is to be inspected and completed by Noon so then we can spend the rest of Thursday in the Filler Line for Practice Matches.

Brad, we should try to sneak in the filler line together if you have time. I wanna go head to head against you... When winning or losing won't matter. :D

[Brad Voracek]

Same here. There was a point where I was going to add a Fan, An Empty Cell Mechanism, and A "Hood". Then I realized that'd that waste too much valuable practice and inspection time. So, I've simplified it down to swapping out a sprocket and adding a new toy. Both of which should only take about a half hour. My Goal is to be inspected and completed by Noon so then we can spend the rest of Thursday in the Filler Line for Practice Matches.

Brad, we should try to sneak in the filler line together if you have time. I wanna go head to head against you... When winning or losing won't matter. :D

We'll be in the filler line all afternoon.. Definitely, head to head when it doesn't matter sounds good to me. =p

[Neal G]

to tell the truth, the pit crew(including me) have been bored... if anyone needs help, come ask us(we are really easy to find, just look for our giant banner and flags hanging off of our tool box)
spare parts, tools, stock; we usually have it all:cool:

Yeah us too, we generally play euchre in the pits nowadays :)

We aren't planning to change anything on our robot either from what I know, but our scouting definitely needs improvement.

[davidfv]

Yeah us too, we generally play euchre in the pits nowadays :)


EUCHRE!!!!!! whoo hooo, I can rarely find people that play.. Deal me in!
Maybe a little euchre tournament on the side?

[Mr. Lim]

Curie is going to rock this year. We may not be the most talked about division (or ARE we?), but I've got a good feeling about this year and our division!

Team 188 is excited to be a part of this amazing group of teams:

Our division's best can match up with the best in any division.

We are deep, and will field 8 strong alliances, with scoring threats at all 3 spots in every alliance.

I think the alliance that takes this division (and eventually Einstein :D) won't necessarily be the three best "robots" on paper or by statistics, but the three teams that can buy-in and cooperate the best, and build relationships and trust that allow the alliance to execute some pretty intricate strategies.

Trust that your partner will roll a super cell out to your robot instead of taking the shot if called upon. Trust that your partner will drop what they're doing to break you out of a pin. Trust that when you pin sometime, your partner will come and punish the pinned robot that much more. And trust that your partners understand that preventing a SuperCell scored on you is as valuable as scoring one yourself.

Going through the list of teams in Curie, it's not only that there are "good robots," but teams that also really "get it" when it comes to non-robot intangibles.

I think this is where the alliance that comes out of Curie is really going to shine.

P.S. For anyone curious about 188's robot: Team 188 - Blizzard X - Video (http://www.chiefdelphi.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=76688)

[Raumiester2010]

EUCHRE!!!!!! whoo hooo, I can rarely find people that play.. Deal me in!
Maybe a little euchre tournament on the side?

Me Too!

i could just say im "Pit scouting" under deep cover, (not really necessary considering we have seen you guys at 2 competitions already...)

And

Considering we only have 25 official matches of practice, and 217 has a whopping 67, I think we have some catching up to do.... I like our decision, hopefully it plays out well for us!


Everyone in Michigan got about that many matches...
my team in particular has had 61 so far...
its fun being the pilot program, the State championships where crazy considering each team there had already had about 24 matches to practice in and to work out bugs (good fun)

[darkember]

We are doing some slight changes on our robot to make it pick up faster and better. We will probably be out on the filler line later on in the day.

[Brad Voracek]

Curie is going to rock this year. We may not be the most talked about division (or ARE we?), but I've got a good feeling about this year and our division!

Team 188 is excited to be a part of this amazing group of teams:

Our division's best can match up with the best in any division.

We are deep, and will field 8 strong alliances, with scoring threats at all 3 spots in every alliance.

I think the alliance that takes this division (and eventually Einstein :D) won't necessarily be the three best "robots" on paper or by statistics, but the three teams that can buy-in and cooperate the best, and build relationships and trust that allow the alliance to execute some pretty intricate strategies.

Trust that your partner will roll a super cell out to your robot instead of taking the shot if called upon. Trust that your partner will drop what they're doing to break you out of a pin. Trust that when you pin sometime, your partner will come and punish the pinned robot that much more. And trust that your partners understand that preventing a SuperCell scored on you is as valuable as scoring one yourself.

Going through the list of teams in Curie, it's not only that there are "good robots," but teams that also really "get it" when it comes to non-robot intangibles.

I think this is where the alliance that comes out of Curie is really going to shine.

P.S. For anyone curious about 188's robot: Team 188 - Blizzard X - Video (http://www.chiefdelphi.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=76688)



Shawn, we really do need to meet in Atlanta. Everything you said is accurate and I agree 100%. Teamwork is the biggest thing needed this year in Lunacy. I hope our team gets the opportunity to play with yours, you sound like an excellent coach, and our team would love to play with you guys.

Oh, and awesome video. On that note, our coach made a little highlight reel himself...
Team 399, Eagle Robotics, with their robot The Tin Man (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AYi1sCZYRMw)

[Jared Russell]

So this thread has gotten rather quiet. We should be up to like 8 pages by now.

So, is anyone doing anything new and exciting to their robot for The Championship?

816 has some tricks up their sleeves....

Miss Daisy will be sporting a new, taller turret that lets us score from a wider variety of angles, as well as an improved roller system that will help us handle some the mangled balls (with the plastic rivets) that jammed us in Philly. Hopefully we will be able to swap out the new for the old in a matter of 15 minutes or so on Thursday morning.

[thefro526]

Oh, and awesome video. On that note, our coach made a little highlight reel himself...
Team 399, Eagle Robotics, with their robot The Tin Man (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AYi1sCZYRMw)

Your Robot is quite sick Brad... You might be a better driver than me... Just maybe....

[Joe Ross]

Similar to what I did last year (http://www.chiefdelphi.com/forums/showpost.php?p=735425&postcount=165), I ran through 200 simulated qualification match schedules (all 102 matches, using the FIRST match generator). I used each team's average opr (http://www.chiefdelphi.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=76618) for their contribution to a match. I calculated the standings for each of the 200 simulated qualification schedules, and then looked at some statistics from the aggregate results.

When I went back and looked at last year's data, a team finished within 1 standard deviation of their average seed 60% of the time, and within 2 standard deviations 95% of the time. Only 3 teams seeded higher/lower then their min/max seed.

Team Avg Seed Median Mode StDev Min Max #1 seed Top 8
399 5.2 3 1 6.1 1 45 55 163
188 5.3 3 1 6.5 1 64 45 170
175 12.1 10 2 10.5 1 46 13 90
395 12.9 11 5 9.9 1 50 13 78
1771 13.7 11 8 11.0 1 52 9 81
217 12.8 11 14 10.3 1 49 9 82
1622 12.5 8 5 12.7 1 66 13 105
1806 14.5 10.5 4 12.9 1 64 7 82
79 13.3 11 4 9.9 1 47 10 72
2992 17.5 15 15 12.9 1 64 3 61
2877 17.3 15 5 12.6 1 65 5 62
1983 21.1 18 13 14.5 1 76 3 38
245 21.2 18 16 15.1 2 75 0 40
346 21.8 17.5 16 15.0 2 69 0 44
254 22.1 20 14 13.9 1 80 2 29
2039 25.1 21 15 16.8 2 81 0 26
27 27.0 25 26 16.7 1 77 2 26
190 23.9 21 18 15.8 1 82 2 34
1519 31.9 28.5 16 18.7 3 81 0 14
287 29.6 26 14 19.2 2 83 0 25
375 29.6 26 18 17.1 1 83 1 15
1893 31.4 29.5 15 17.4 1 78 1 16
68 30.1 28 19 17.8 2 83 0 22
597 33.1 30 36 19.5 2 80 0 20
337 33.6 32 12 19.1 1 84 1 16
1731 34.2 30.5 29 19.5 1 83 2 16
236 36.1 35 30 18.2 1 83 1 8
1747 34.1 32.5 21 17.7 3 80 0 8
271 36.4 36 36 18.8 2 81 0 14
70 37.0 35 50 18.3 3 82 0 10
3010 39.7 38.5 35 20.1 4 80 0 8
816 40.7 39 26 18.4 3 85 0 4
1425 37.6 34 32 18.1 6 82 0 6
2834 40.0 39 29 18.3 2 82 0 2
1796 41.0 41 47 20.1 2 84 0 8
668 42.2 43 48 19.4 5 86 0 4
904 37.3 36 51 18.0 6 87 0 8
2791 40.0 38.5 22 18.0 7 85 0 3
1287 40.5 40 41 18.7 4 84 0 7
1108 40.9 38 26 19.2 4 86 0 6
2815 42.6 42 46 19.1 4 86 0 4
1675 40.5 38 36 21.1 1 86 2 10
1024 43.7 43 51 19.8 3 86 0 5
2767 47.7 48 45 17.9 4 85 0 1
1927 47.6 48 43 18.5 3 85 0 4
263 47.3 49 59 19.0 4 86 0 4
1 45.9 45 39 19.1 5 85 0 1
75 46.1 49 53 21.1 3 87 0 8
922 45.3 46 67 19.9 4 82 0 8
341 49.0 48.5 37 20.4 1 86 1 3
2621 49.9 51.5 81 20.0 6 86 0 2
930 48.6 48 45 20.3 3 87 0 3
60 48.6 50.5 52 18.7 7 84 0 2
2809 54.8 55 80 19.2 8 87 0 2
766 49.8 50 68 19.4 3 86 0 3
1013 49.9 49 68 19.5 6 87 0 1
1165 54.7 54 54 17.8 8 86 0 2
2194 52.0 55 61 19.3 3 87 0 4
1502 53.7 55 59 16.7 4 87 0 1
141 53.8 55 65 17.8 10 86 0 0
830 54.8 58 54 17.5 3 86 0 1
1323 57.8 58 57 16.6 10 85 0 0
247 57.4 57 37 16.9 13 87 0 0
3115 54.0 56 47 18.4 7 86 0 2
131 58.7 60 80 19.1 10 87 0 0
1305 55.2 59 78 19.1 6 85 0 1
2635 60.4 62.5 81 17.2 5 87 0 1
49 58.4 61 64 18.8 4 86 0 2
1288 61.2 66 82 18.2 9 87 0 0
499 62.4 66 79 16.6 12 87 0 0
3105 59.9 65 71 17.3 7 87 0 1
538 64.8 70 74 17.0 9 87 0 0
1577 61.5 64 56 17.2 13 87 0 0
2884 62.8 65.5 83 18.1 7 87 0 1
2500 66.5 71 72 15.9 10 87 0 0
1527 66.5 71 84 16.6 13 87 0 0
894 66.3 69.5 83 15.9 18 87 0 0
2590 68.2 73 77 15.5 22 87 0 0
1089 68.5 74 84 15.7 20 87 0 0
2185 69.8 73 82 14.2 23 87 0 0
2443 73.1 75.5 82 12.8 23 87 0 0
1566 72.5 75 86 12.9 24 87 0 0
1099 72.1 76.5 85 14.9 11 87 0 0
1429 77.2 80 86 10.4 24 87 0 0
2520 75.8 80 85 11.5 27 87 0 0
2173 77.1 81 87 11.1 25 87 0 0
329 77.4 81 87 11.0 25 87 0 0

[Danny McC]

Lets just say that someone brings like 4 foot balls to the competition(similar to beach balls) for the stands. What do you guys think the chances are that your teams would keep them going around the stands? Just curious.

[robotlover]

Lets just say that someone brings like 4 foot balls to the competition(similar to beach balls) for the stands. What do you guys think the chances are that your teams would keep them going around the stands? Just curious.

I'm sure people from my team, 1675, who are in the stands will be willing to help keep it going ^_^ sounds like a ton of fun :] I can't wait to see all of you guys in Atlanta. It's going to be an exciting division! Good Luck to all teams!

[chessking132]

Team 75 probably would be willing to keep it going to. It should be something fun to do while waiting for the field to be reset.

[BandChick]

I know about half of you in this thread already picked up a userbar...

But for anyone that missed it, I posted some fun signature userbars over here:
http://www.chiefdelphi.com/forums/showthread.php?p=849348#post849348

Support Curie! Or, if you can't pick, there's even one for every division!
FTC bars too, if your team is competing in both!

[wendells]

How many champions were 3rd picks

[martin417]

How many champions were 3rd picks

Wait, is this a trick question? I'll go with 1/3 of the total number since 3-member alliances started.

[Brett Holschuh]

14 teams were second round picks, While 6 of those teams were picked very last.

[flyingcrayons]

ill keep the beach ball going!

[Raumiester2010]

Shawn, we really do need to meet in Atlanta. Everything you said is accurate and I agree 100%. Teamwork is the biggest thing needed this year in Lunacy. I hope our team gets the opportunity to play with yours, you sound like an excellent coach, and our team would love to play with you guys.

Oh, and awesome video. On that note, our coach made a little highlight reel himself...
Team 399, Eagle Robotics, with their robot The Tin Man (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AYi1sCZYRMw)

Not gonna lie, i was a little shocked how similar our robot is to yours. it works on the same principal.

the only differences i could spot from the video is:

1) ours can pick up balls 2 side by side all the way up
2) it looks like we have more ball storage space
3) we have a specially designed empty cell holder
4) we have rollers on the bottom and top of the opening to get a little bit more oomph while dumping

[ScottOliveira]

Wait, is this a trick question? I'll go with 1/3 of the total number since 3-member alliances started.

I believe he was asking how many of the teams in the Curie division were 2nd picks of an alliance that won a regional, which Brett answered.

[thefro526]

I was having a Discussion with a driver of another Bright Orange team the other day about robot speed and just out of curiosity what are most of your robots geared for? I found out while talking to him I made a minor miscalculation and our robot is about 20% faster then I thought....

Just for reference we're running a Single CIM per side through standard Toughboxes with another sprocket reduction for an effective Gear Ratio of about 11:1. This puts our Speed at about 12fps under Ideal conditions, what about your robots?

[Brad Voracek]

I was having a Discussion with a driver of another Bright Orange team the other day about robot speed and just out of curiosity what are most of your robots geared for? I found out while talking to him I made a minor miscalculation and our robot is about 20% faster then I thought....

Just for reference we're running a Single CIM per side through standard Toughboxes with another sprocket reduction for an effective Gear Ratio of about 11:1. This puts our Speed at about 12fps under Ideal conditions, what about your robots?


Even faster 'eh? =P I might have to bring some new gears with me...!

We're geared straight out of the toughbox's, so 12.5:1. Which is about 10.5fps ideally, I think. It's around there. =P

[thefro526]

Even faster 'eh? =P I might have to bring some new gears with me...!

Brad, the whole point of having Regolith this year was to stop the Drive Train Wars.... But, I'll still pack some extra sprockets just for good measure. ;)

[Raumiester2010]

Brad, the whole point of having Regolith this year was to stop the Drive Train Wars.... But, I'll still pack some extra sprockets just for good measure. ;)

Ya right... my team is one of the ones that i think they created the game to foil our usual strategy (considering we have moved the player station( the reason why they have the ton of Velcro now) and we knocked over a human player station last year(at GLR, it was hilarious:D ))

im not sure what our gear ratio it, just that is is a weird odd number and we move at ≈9 ft/sec(i think, we made it faster at MSC so it may be that or faster, if you ask me in pits I'll know by then). we have a pair of fisher prices(i think) in the front and a pair of CIMs in the back, geared to the same rate.

(not on drive train so i don't know the exact stuff)

[thefro526]

I hope everyone is excited to Play on Thursday!

Any teams who don't use traction control try to track me down. I'll have a present for you ;) (While Supplies Last of Course)

[HighLife]

Any teams who don't use traction control try to track me down. I'll have a present for you ;) (While Supplies Last of Course)
You better start wrapping for me then.

[ehcualp]

I hope everyone is excited to Play on Thursday!

Any teams who don't use traction control try to track me down. I'll have a present for you ;) (While Supplies Last of Course)

I want. Put me on the list of people to get one! I will give presents in return. :D

[Joe Ross]

I used each team's average OPR and actual match schedule to predict every match and determine the seeding.

Match Red 1 Red 2 Red 3 Blue 1 Blue 2 Blue 3 R Score B Score
1 1165 3105 2815 1675 60 1927 56 63
2 3010 904 188 2877 597 68 98 88
3 1 337 668 1089 1425 1305 72 53
4 2635 2834 1747 70 79 1796 67 87
5 217 1983 922 287 263 131 94 67
6 2884 1024 375 1519 1577 2992 63 79
7 2194 894 816 2621 1099 2590 54 39
8 1527 2039 1806 3115 254 2520 82 56
9 2809 2443 247 1323 1893 190 45 75
10 271 1502 1771 245 75 346 84 86
11 766 175 27 930 1622 2185 90 69
12 1566 2767 1731 2791 329 1013 56 46
13 1108 341 236 141 1288 1429 71 39
14 538 2173 2500 399 1287 830 32 92
15 499 2884 2877 49 395 2590 62 66
16 1 904 1806 2809 287 816 83 72
17 1675 597 337 1099 1024 247 76 47
18 1893 2185 263 70 188 75 59 95
19 60 1323 3115 2767 2621 2834 54 65
20 1288 346 766 2635 1305 1731 67 60
21 2815 1747 271 217 329 1527 75 56
22 538 1108 1622 668 2992 190 76 90
23 1287 395 1577 2443 341 27 76 61
24 2520 245 830 375 175 236 57 95
25 499 1429 3010 1566 2039 930 46 59
26 2173 1013 1425 49 2194 1502 48 54
27 2791 141 1796 254 3105 1983 65 81
28 1771 1927 399 894 79 922 111 71
29 2500 131 1089 1519 68 1165 41 75
30 668 766 247 2884 1806 1747 60 78
31 3115 2809 245 2815 1108 337 69 72
32 287 1288 597 2590 1566 175 71 59
33 1622 2834 217 904 2443 75 102 54
34 2877 3105 1013 1 1429 2635 68 44
35 141 1099 2992 271 922 70 62 72
36 2621 1927 263 3010 830 1527 62 56
37 894 499 1323 375 2791 1287 44 74
38 190 1577 2767 188 2500 1502 65 81
39 79 346 68 1675 27 2173 98 58
40 1983 60 49 341 538 1089 70 45
41 395 2185 2520 329 1425 1165 55 47
42 1796 2194 1893 1731 1771 930 71 86
43 399 1024 816 131 2039 236 98 75
44 254 1519 1622 1305 1747 499 100 59
45 245 1287 1429 287 2884 1927 62 63
46 2877 271 1566 1577 668 894 68 50
47 922 175 2809 49 2767 1675 80 59
48 1 1165 597 766 141 2443 67 46
49 75 27 1288 1323 1796 2520 67 47
50 375 346 1893 2039 337 2500 88 71
51 2621 1983 399 1013 68 2815 105 68
52 2185 1305 131 3105 1502 247 44 51
53 341 2834 1731 1425 1806 2992 71 98
54 2173 190 3010 1771 70 329 60 68
55 2635 2590 254 1024 60 1108 60 65
56 188 2791 1527 2194 1519 538 85 62
57 236 395 904 79 1099 263 90 67
58 217 830 930 816 1089 3115 77 52
59 499 1675 2500 245 2443 1796 50 66
60 597 2520 894 2992 2767 1983 44 91
61 2185 1927 2834 271 49 337 55 69
62 1731 27 2590 1429 247 399 69 74
63 1165 175 2039 2621 2884 2173 90 38
64 1806 1024 346 922 1287 1566 92 52
65 1323 766 287 2877 1771 1089 65 84
66 1747 131 188 1013 395 3115 93 75
67 190 1 75 2815 236 1519 72 78
68 1502 263 60 668 930 2791 60 67
69 1099 1527 375 1622 2809 341 49 78
70 70 1577 3105 904 1288 538 54 53
71 79 1108 2194 217 3010 1305 80 81
72 329 68 2635 141 830 1893 48 64
73 816 2884 188 254 1425 1566 86 64
74 1013 245 922 2834 1165 190 73 73
75 2185 1287 1796 2877 236 60 57 80
76 75 894 287 1747 2500 1731 61 67
77 2590 904 341 131 1771 668 56 80
78 1305 271 930 395 2173 597 63 71
79 49 3115 141 1622 3010 1024 51 86
80 1519 2621 1502 1675 2520 1108 68 51
81 79 2992 1089 2791 1288 2815 85 60
82 375 254 68 766 538 263 88 54
83 2809 27 1927 2635 1983 499 71 65
84 329 2443 337 1806 2194 399 40 108
85 1893 1425 175 217 1099 3105 92 62
86 1323 1577 1527 1429 816 346 44 62
87 2767 2039 830 247 1 70 70 63
88 341 2815 2500 2884 2185 3010 55 48
89 538 1165 2877 1731 1502 1024 67 68
90 3115 2791 75 2173 2590 922 61 37
91 766 131 2194 2834 2809 2520 55 49
92 1983 1099 1108 930 1287 188 65 92
93 263 1771 1747 337 816 27 87 83
94 3105 1089 1566 190 399 375 34 109
95 79 2767 668 499 1893 1527 83 56
96 2992 254 395 1 1675 1323 107 60
97 1013 1305 141 904 1927 175 54 85
98 217 1806 597 245 2635 1577 104 64
99 329 247 2621 1622 1796 287 41 92
100 2443 2039 49 1288 894 68 56 54
101 1425 1429 1519 60 271 830 59 64
102 236 70 668 346 2884 3115 76 62

Rank Team Wins Losses Ties Matches QP RS MP
1 188 7 0 0 7 14 68.29 98
2 1806 7 0 0 7 14 59.29 108
3 399 7 0 0 7 14 55.57 111
4 1771 6 1 0 7 12 70 111
5 2992 6 1 0 7 12 62.29 107
6 395 6 1 0 7 12 62.14 107
7 346 6 1 0 7 12 61.57 98
8 236 6 1 0 7 12 61.29 95
9 70 6 1 0 7 12 60.86 95
10 1927 6 1 0 7 12 59.86 111
11 668 6 1 0 7 12 59 90
12 175 6 1 0 7 12 56.86 95
13 1747 5 2 0 7 10 65.86 93
14 217 5 2 0 7 10 62.14 104
15 271 5 2 0 7 10 61.29 84
16 930 5 2 0 7 10 60.86 92
17 1983 5 2 0 7 10 59.86 105
18 1502 5 2 0 7 10 59.86 84
19 1024 5 2 0 7 10 59.29 98
20 597 5 2 0 7 10 58.71 104
21 1519 5 2 0 7 10 58.14 100
22 2039 5 2 0 7 10 57.57 90
23 1622 5 2 0 7 10 57 102
24 60 5 2 0 7 10 55.86 80
25 2767 5 2 0 7 10 55.29 91
26 49 5 2 0 7 10 53.43 70
27 375 5 2 0 7 10 53.14 109
28 830 5 2 0 7 10 52.43 92
29 79 4 3 0 7 8 65.57 98
30 1731 4 3 0 7 8 63.57 86
31 904 4 3 0 7 8 63.43 98
32 2877 4 3 0 7 8 61.86 88
33 816 4 3 0 7 8 61.29 98
34 2815 4 3 0 7 8 61.29 78
35 254 4 3 0 7 8 59.71 107
36 337 4 3 0 7 8 59.71 83
37 75 4 3 0 7 8 59.14 95
38 1893 4 3 0 7 8 58.86 92
39 2194 4 3 0 7 8 55.57 108
40 2791 4 3 0 7 8 53.43 85
41 1287 4 3 0 7 8 53.29 92
42 3105 4 3 0 7 8 51.14 81
43 2621 4 3 0 7 8 49.57 105
44 190 3 3 1 7 7 60.71 109
45 922 3 3 1 7 7 60.14 94
46 1165 3 3 1 7 7 52.57 90
47 27 3 4 0 7 6 64.57 90
48 1108 3 4 0 7 6 62.86 80
49 3010 3 4 0 7 6 61.29 98
50 287 3 4 0 7 6 61 92
51 68 3 4 0 7 6 58.71 98
52 1 3 4 0 7 6 58.57 83
53 2809 3 4 0 7 6 58.29 80
54 131 3 4 0 7 6 58.14 93
55 766 3 4 0 7 6 57.57 90
56 1577 3 4 0 7 6 57.14 79
57 1796 3 4 0 7 6 56.86 92
58 1288 3 4 0 7 6 53.14 71
59 341 3 4 0 7 6 52.71 78
60 2500 3 4 0 7 6 52.57 81
61 1566 3 4 0 7 6 50.14 68
62 245 2 4 1 7 5 65.57 86
63 2834 2 4 1 7 5 60.43 102
64 263 2 5 0 7 4 63.71 87
65 1425 2 5 0 7 4 57.71 98
66 2884 2 5 0 7 4 57 86
67 1675 2 5 0 7 4 54.43 76
68 1527 2 5 0 7 4 54.14 85
69 247 2 5 0 7 4 52.71 74
70 1429 2 5 0 7 4 51.86 74
71 1089 2 5 0 7 4 50 85
72 2443 2 5 0 7 4 50 66
73 1013 1 5 1 7 3 58.29 75
74 1305 1 6 0 7 2 59 81
75 3115 1 6 0 7 2 55.29 75
76 2590 1 6 0 7 2 54.57 69
77 2185 1 6 0 7 2 54.14 69
78 141 1 6 0 7 2 52.14 65
79 894 1 6 0 7 2 51.86 71
80 1323 1 6 0 7 2 51.29 75
81 2520 1 6 0 7 2 50.14 57
82 329 1 6 0 7 2 48.29 68
83 2173 1 6 0 7 2 48 71
84 2635 0 7 0 7 0 58.29 67
85 1099 0 7 0 7 0 55.86 67
86 538 0 7 0 7 0 55.57 76
87 499 0 7 0 7 0 54.57 65

If you don't like the way your team did, don't worry, OPR hasn't proven to be much better at predicting matches then flipping a coin this year.

[Flyin' Axe]

Where did you find the match schedule? Will you please post a link??

Thanks!

I used each team's average OPR and actual match schedule to predict every match and determine the seeding.

Match Red 1 Red 2 Red 3 Blue 1 Blue 2 Blue 3 R Score B Score
1 1165 3105 2815 1675 60 1927 56 63
2 3010 904 188 2877 597 68 98 88
3 1 337 668 1089 1425 1305 72 53
4 2635 2834 1747 70 79 1796 67 87
5 217 1983 922 287 263 131 94 67
6 2884 1024 375 1519 1577 2992 63 79
7 2194 894 816 2621 1099 2590 54 39
8 1527 2039 1806 3115 254 2520 82 56
9 2809 2443 247 1323 1893 190 45 75
10 271 1502 1771 245 75 346 84 86
11 766 175 27 930 1622 2185 90 69
12 1566 2767 1731 2791 329 1013 56 46
13 1108 341 236 141 1288 1429 71 39
14 538 2173 2500 399 1287 830 32 92
15 499 2884 2877 49 395 2590 62 66
16 1 904 1806 2809 287 816 83 72
17 1675 597 337 1099 1024 247 76 47
18 1893 2185 263 70 188 75 59 95
19 60 1323 3115 2767 2621 2834 54 65
20 1288 346 766 2635 1305 1731 67 60
21 2815 1747 271 217 329 1527 75 56
22 538 1108 1622 668 2992 190 76 90
23 1287 395 1577 2443 341 27 76 61
24 2520 245 830 375 175 236 57 95
25 499 1429 3010 1566 2039 930 46 59
26 2173 1013 1425 49 2194 1502 48 54
27 2791 141 1796 254 3105 1983 65 81
28 1771 1927 399 894 79 922 111 71
29 2500 131 1089 1519 68 1165 41 75
30 668 766 247 2884 1806 1747 60 78
31 3115 2809 245 2815 1108 337 69 72
32 287 1288 597 2590 1566 175 71 59
33 1622 2834 217 904 2443 75 102 54
34 2877 3105 1013 1 1429 2635 68 44
35 141 1099 2992 271 922 70 62 72
36 2621 1927 263 3010 830 1527 62 56
37 894 499 1323 375 2791 1287 44 74
38 190 1577 2767 188 2500 1502 65 81
39 79 346 68 1675 27 2173 98 58
40 1983 60 49 341 538 1089 70 45
41 395 2185 2520 329 1425 1165 55 47
42 1796 2194 1893 1731 1771 930 71 86
43 399 1024 816 131 2039 236 98 75
44 254 1519 1622 1305 1747 499 100 59
45 245 1287 1429 287 2884 1927 62 63
46 2877 271 1566 1577 668 894 68 50
47 922 175 2809 49 2767 1675 80 59
48 1 1165 597 766 141 2443 67 46
49 75 27 1288 1323 1796 2520 67 47
50 375 346 1893 2039 337 2500 88 71
51 2621 1983 399 1013 68 2815 105 68
52 2185 1305 131 3105 1502 247 44 51
53 341 2834 1731 1425 1806 2992 71 98
54 2173 190 3010 1771 70 329 60 68
55 2635 2590 254 1024 60 1108 60 65
56 188 2791 1527 2194 1519 538 85 62
57 236 395 904 79 1099 263 90 67
58 217 830 930 816 1089 3115 77 52
59 499 1675 2500 245 2443 1796 50 66
60 597 2520 894 2992 2767 1983 44 91
61 2185 1927 2834 271 49 337 55 69
62 1731 27 2590 1429 247 399 69 74
63 1165 175 2039 2621 2884 2173 90 38
64 1806 1024 346 922 1287 1566 92 52
65 1323 766 287 2877 1771 1089 65 84
66 1747 131 188 1013 395 3115 93 75
67 190 1 75 2815 236 1519 72 78
68 1502 263 60 668 930 2791 60 67
69 1099 1527 375 1622 2809 341 49 78
70 70 1577 3105 904 1288 538 54 53
71 79 1108 2194 217 3010 1305 80 81
72 329 68 2635 141 830 1893 48 64
73 816 2884 188 254 1425 1566 86 64
74 1013 245 922 2834 1165 190 73 73
75 2185 1287 1796 2877 236 60 57 80
76 75 894 287 1747 2500 1731 61 67
77 2590 904 341 131 1771 668 56 80
78 1305 271 930 395 2173 597 63 71
79 49 3115 141 1622 3010 1024 51 86
80 1519 2621 1502 1675 2520 1108 68 51
81 79 2992 1089 2791 1288 2815 85 60
82 375 254 68 766 538 263 88 54
83 2809 27 1927 2635 1983 499 71 65
84 329 2443 337 1806 2194 399 40 108
85 1893 1425 175 217 1099 3105 92 62
86 1323 1577 1527 1429 816 346 44 62
87 2767 2039 830 247 1 70 70 63
88 341 2815 2500 2884 2185 3010 55 48
89 538 1165 2877 1731 1502 1024 67 68
90 3115 2791 75 2173 2590 922 61 37
91 766 131 2194 2834 2809 2520 55 49
92 1983 1099 1108 930 1287 188 65 92
93 263 1771 1747 337 816 27 87 83
94 3105 1089 1566 190 399 375 34 109
95 79 2767 668 499 1893 1527 83 56
96 2992 254 395 1 1675 1323 107 60
97 1013 1305 141 904 1927 175 54 85
98 217 1806 597 245 2635 1577 104 64
99 329 247 2621 1622 1796 287 41 92
100 2443 2039 49 1288 894 68 56 54
101 1425 1429 1519 60 271 830 59 64
102 236 70 668 346 2884 3115 76 62

Rank Team Wins Losses Ties Matches QP RS MP
1 188 7 0 0 7 14 68.29 98
2 1806 7 0 0 7 14 59.29 108
3 399 7 0 0 7 14 55.57 111
4 1771 6 1 0 7 12 70 111
5 2992 6 1 0 7 12 62.29 107
6 395 6 1 0 7 12 62.14 107
7 346 6 1 0 7 12 61.57 98
8 236 6 1 0 7 12 61.29 95
9 70 6 1 0 7 12 60.86 95
10 1927 6 1 0 7 12 59.86 111
11 668 6 1 0 7 12 59 90
12 175 6 1 0 7 12 56.86 95
13 1747 5 2 0 7 10 65.86 93
14 217 5 2 0 7 10 62.14 104
15 271 5 2 0 7 10 61.29 84
16 930 5 2 0 7 10 60.86 92
17 1983 5 2 0 7 10 59.86 105
18 1502 5 2 0 7 10 59.86 84
19 1024 5 2 0 7 10 59.29 98
20 597 5 2 0 7 10 58.71 104
21 1519 5 2 0 7 10 58.14 100
22 2039 5 2 0 7 10 57.57 90
23 1622 5 2 0 7 10 57 102
24 60 5 2 0 7 10 55.86 80
25 2767 5 2 0 7 10 55.29 91
26 49 5 2 0 7 10 53.43 70
27 375 5 2 0 7 10 53.14 109
28 830 5 2 0 7 10 52.43 92
29 79 4 3 0 7 8 65.57 98
30 1731 4 3 0 7 8 63.57 86
31 904 4 3 0 7 8 63.43 98
32 2877 4 3 0 7 8 61.86 88
33 816 4 3 0 7 8 61.29 98
34 2815 4 3 0 7 8 61.29 78
35 254 4 3 0 7 8 59.71 107
36 337 4 3 0 7 8 59.71 83
37 75 4 3 0 7 8 59.14 95
38 1893 4 3 0 7 8 58.86 92
39 2194 4 3 0 7 8 55.57 108
40 2791 4 3 0 7 8 53.43 85
41 1287 4 3 0 7 8 53.29 92
42 3105 4 3 0 7 8 51.14 81
43 2621 4 3 0 7 8 49.57 105
44 190 3 3 1 7 7 60.71 109
45 922 3 3 1 7 7 60.14 94
46 1165 3 3 1 7 7 52.57 90
47 27 3 4 0 7 6 64.57 90
48 1108 3 4 0 7 6 62.86 80
49 3010 3 4 0 7 6 61.29 98
50 287 3 4 0 7 6 61 92
51 68 3 4 0 7 6 58.71 98
52 1 3 4 0 7 6 58.57 83
53 2809 3 4 0 7 6 58.29 80
54 131 3 4 0 7 6 58.14 93
55 766 3 4 0 7 6 57.57 90
56 1577 3 4 0 7 6 57.14 79
57 1796 3 4 0 7 6 56.86 92
58 1288 3 4 0 7 6 53.14 71
59 341 3 4 0 7 6 52.71 78
60 2500 3 4 0 7 6 52.57 81
61 1566 3 4 0 7 6 50.14 68
62 245 2 4 1 7 5 65.57 86
63 2834 2 4 1 7 5 60.43 102
64 263 2 5 0 7 4 63.71 87
65 1425 2 5 0 7 4 57.71 98
66 2884 2 5 0 7 4 57 86
67 1675 2 5 0 7 4 54.43 76
68 1527 2 5 0 7 4 54.14 85
69 247 2 5 0 7 4 52.71 74
70 1429 2 5 0 7 4 51.86 74
71 1089 2 5 0 7 4 50 85
72 2443 2 5 0 7 4 50 66
73 1013 1 5 1 7 3 58.29 75
74 1305 1 6 0 7 2 59 81
75 3115 1 6 0 7 2 55.29 75
76 2590 1 6 0 7 2 54.57 69
77 2185 1 6 0 7 2 54.14 69
78 141 1 6 0 7 2 52.14 65
79 894 1 6 0 7 2 51.86 71
80 1323 1 6 0 7 2 51.29 75
81 2520 1 6 0 7 2 50.14 57
82 329 1 6 0 7 2 48.29 68
83 2173 1 6 0 7 2 48 71
84 2635 0 7 0 7 0 58.29 67
85 1099 0 7 0 7 0 55.86 67
86 538 0 7 0 7 0 55.57 76
87 499 0 7 0 7 0 54.57 65

If you don't like the way your team did, don't worry, OPR hasn't proven to be much better at predicting matches then flipping a coin this year.

[Billfred]

Well, (most of) 2815 is up and ready for another day on Curie. We tried a different sprocket ratio yesterday in a practice match--you'd recognize it by the way the robot hardly moved. :o We've flipped it back to our original ratio, which seems to be running much better. The hood we've added also appears to do its job well, so we're feeling pretty good about it.

See y'all in Q1!

[Transformix Eng]

Where can I find a link to a live update of the Currie match results?

Thanks
Jeff

[Dmentor]

Where can I find a link to a live update of the Curie match results?

I'm using FRC-spy (http://www.chiefdelphi.com/forums/frcspy.php?) when I'm not watching Curie (http://science.ksc.nasa.gov/robotics/first/atlanta-finals-2009/).

[AnthonyN1983]

I don't understand how a team can be ranked in the top 15 during qualification matches and wasn't picked by an alliance. This is ridiculous, don't teams scout?

[Flyin' Axe]

I don't understand how a team can be ranked in the top 15 during qualification matches and wasn't picked by an alliance. This is ridiculous, don't teams scout?

Not all the teams pick teams depending on their ranking. I am not sure what happened because I am not at Atlanta, but teams may need a robot that can deliver EC cell or can play defense. May be they chose to pick other teams over yours.

Again, I am not sure why you guys were not picked.

[ChrisH]

I don't understand how a team can be ranked in the top 15 during qualification matches and wasn't picked by an alliance. This is ridiculous, don't teams scout?

Scouting is what wins the Championship. I know that was true for us in 2005. We found a great under rated team in 503. Our scouts were amazed they were still around for our pick.

The field in Atlanta is incredibly deep. There are very many really good robots that are left on the sidelines at the start of Eliminations, a very good percentage of them won one or more Regionals.

There are also many factors besides rank that figure into picks. A really good offensive team might pick a good defender because they need somebody to watch their backs or neutralize and opponent. Defenders do not tend to be ranked as highly. Other teams might want a robot that can both score and defend or possibly a not so strong scorer that can keep the opposition on the run.

An important consideration is "are they used to playing at this level?". There is a reason hat you see certain teams in the Finals over and over. Experience counts for an awful lot. An experienced team can often be a bigger factor in the Finals than a team with a "better" robot, because they know what to do with what they have.

How teams "click" is also a big factor. I know that we have scratched teams off of our list because they were so busy working on their robot they would not even talk to our strategy team, even though we were locked into the top 8 and the other team was not. Their neighbors on the other hand, were happy to talk while they tweaked. Guess who got picked?

It is not always on field performance that makes the difference

[davidfv]

I think that the people watching the curie finals were treated to the best matches of the weekend. They were awesome, high scoring, and a lot of fun to watch!

[thefro526]

I don't understand how a team can be ranked in the top 15 during qualification matches and wasn't picked by an alliance. This is ridiculous, don't teams scout?

Rank Means little to nothing at the Championship once you're out of the top 8. Most teams will pick on teams that will compliment their strategy well rather than the team that is ranked the highest. Also, at the Championship it's hard to get noticed unless you're doing something spectacular and different. Most often then not there are a lot of teams that will meet a certain standard (10-12 balls per match, 3-4 hurdles, 4 tubes exc....) and they all look the same so they tend to blend in.

[BandChick]

That being said, I think 1983 put on a GREAT show this weekend, and were seriously overlooked. As well were the LigerBots, 3115, and a few others that I'm too tired to think of.

Scouters - what do you look for when you scout?

Anyone have any reasons why 2nd round picks seemed pretty bad this year?

[Diana Gee]

Has anybody heard??????

Looking to find out if anyone has heard if the CURIE video matches will be posted on the Blue Alliance website.... The other fields have video but nothing for Curie......

Thanks-
D

[Fireworks 234]

That being said, I think 1983 put on a GREAT show this weekend, and were seriously overlooked. As well were the LigerBots, 3115, and a few others that I'm too tired to think of.

Scouters - what do you look for when you scout?

Anyone have any reasons why 2nd round picks seemed pretty bad this year?

I personally think that a lot of the 2nd round picks were very good! I am biased for one of those choices (thanks 346 and 1771) but all-in-all the 2nd picks did exactly what the alliance needed them for. Whether it was being able to score while the other alliance members were getting hammered or being able to hold off an incoming onslaught of balls from the opponent, I feel that the teams were picked to complement the other two teams' needs.

And as with every year, there are a lot of teams, which means a lot of decisions and trying to make an guess at what will serve them correctly. This consequently means that there will be teams left out of the elims. I mean there were 39 regional wins in our division alone, and with only 24 spots, there would be 15 regional wins unaccounted for in the elims AT LEAST! :ahh:

The only thing you can do at championships, is try to make your strengths well known and hope that they fit with other teams in the division.

[Bob Steele]

That being said, I think 1983 put on a GREAT show this weekend, and were seriously overlooked. As well were the LigerBots, 3115, and a few others that I'm too tired to think of.

Scouters - what do you look for when you scout?

Anyone have any reasons why 2nd round picks seemed pretty bad this year?

Thank you for your kind compliments.
As you said... there were MANY great robots on the Curie field and we were very proud to play with and against many of them.

From my experience, what could have happened ... did happen.

I think that the alliances did a great job at picking the strong performers.
That was certainly evident in the GREAT matches played in the elimination rounds!! I think one of the most difficult things to do in all of FIRST is choosing partners for eliminations at the Championships...

Coming from so far away...we don't get a chance to see these legendary teams very often. We feel very fortunate to have been able to experience the World Championships for our first three years in existence and we tried very hard all weekend to help our alliances win in the qualifications rounds.

Congratulations to the Curie winners!! We cheered them on during the Einstein matches and were happy to see them make it to the finals.

We will be back...

[HighLife]

Has anybody heard??????

Looking to find out if anyone has heard if the CURIE video matches will be posted on the Blue Alliance website.... The other fields have video but nothing for Curie......

Thanks-
D
We recorded all of the matches. We'll cut them up and put them on blue alliance as soon as possible.

[Nawaid Ladak]

Has anybody heard??????

Looking to find out if anyone has heard if the CURIE video matches will be posted on the Blue Alliance website.... The other fields have video but nothing for Curie......

Thanks-
D

http://www.soap.circuitrunners.com/2009/

[Vikesrock]

I finished cutting up the Curie matches this morning. They will be posted on TBA as soon as Greg gets a chance to move them over.

[Diana Gee]

Thanks for the LINK 945.. and THANK YOU KEVIN for helping get the CURIE matches loaded on TBA.....

D

[Mish Mooney]

Thank You Everyone in Curie! 329 had an amazing time! See you all next time.

[AnthonyN1983]

Rank Means little to nothing at the Championship once you're out of the top 8. Most teams will pick on teams that will compliment their strategy well rather than the team that is ranked the highest. Also, at the Championship it's hard to get noticed unless you're doing something spectacular and different. Most often then not there are a lot of teams that will meet a certain standard (10-12 balls per match, 3-4 hurdles, 4 tubes exc....) and they all look the same so they tend to blend in.

yes, your right i understand that teams picked players that compliment each other. i was the head scout last year for my team and i know the ins and out about it. one thing you forgot to mention is politics. it is sad to say but it plays a big roll in picking esp. for the older teams.

[Shankar M]

yes, your right i understand that teams picked players that compliment each other. i was the head scout last year for my team and i know the ins and out about it. one thing you forgot to mention is politics. it is sad to say but it plays a big roll in picking esp. for the older teams.

I hope I do not sound confrontational in saying this (and I apologise if I do), but I am not really sure where people get the impression that anything other than ability and compatibility come into play during alliance selections.

Personally, I think teams would be doing something wrong if they are not choosing the best team available. It does not make any sense to jeopordise one's chances by not doing so.

[PaW]

Personally, I think teams would be doing something wrong if they are not choosing the best team available. It does not make any sense to jeopordise one's chances by not doing so.

Totally agree w/you.

In Galileo, at the end of qualifications, 111 seeded 1st. They built the best possible alliance by picking 67 with their first pick. With the combination of a massive dumper, a highly maneuverable quick dumper, dead-eye human players, and a smart autonomous strategy, we knew they'd be hard to beat. Their 3rd partner (971) solidified the alliance with good defense and additional dumping capability.

-Paul

[robodude03]

That being said, I think 1983 put on a GREAT show this weekend, and were seriously overlooked. As well were the LigerBots, 3115, and a few others that I'm too tired to think of.

Scouters - what do you look for when you scout?

Anyone have any reasons why 2nd round picks seemed pretty bad this year?

In response to your first request, our team definitely had some of the top bots mentioned here on our list. However, after choosing 188 we had to look at what would best compliment our team. We needed a proven empty cell carrier, a high scorer, and a top loaded robot. After previous experiences from regionals, we didn't want to be left without rocks because of a dry field and we needed somebody with options. 188 helped us in showing the data for the matches and in the end we chose 329 becaues of their HP load and average of about 10 rocks per match. We were happy with our decisions as I am sure many others were.

[thefro526]

Scouters - what do you look for when you scout?

Anyone have any reasons why 2nd round picks seemed pretty bad this year?

I know many people have asked us what went into our picks on Curie as they seemed kind of random but they worked out really well for us.

First off I knew that we would be playing the Poofs and Buzz which meant that we'd need to out score and out drive them to win. Knowing this I set my sights on two offensive robots because I knew when push came to shove we could Shut Down the Poofs, or any other scoring threat.

Our First pick was 245, who I knew was doing so-so over the weekend but would play into the strategy I had devised perfectly. The AdamBots had a high capacity open toped robot that could be human loaded and was perfect for dumping on a pinned robot. I knew that during most of our matches we'd be trying to pin one of the opposing alliances offensive robots so 245 would always have their target. Also, the AdamBots would draw more defense than anyone else because everyone saw their robot when it was full.

For Our Second Pick, I chose 341. I had seen them play in Philly in Week 4 and saw that they were an invisible robot. Due to the nature of their game play they never drew much attention but still had the ability to put up huge numbers during a match. They had the tendency to pick away at an opponent 3 or 4 balls at a time rather than going for a big dump. This meant that for most of our matches they'd be free to drive around the field and score. Also, they were human loaded which helped a lot.

If you watch any of our Quarter-Final Matches you'll see exactly why I picked either of these two teams.

As for the rest of the second round picks, it seems like the higher alliances made weaker second picks. Maybe they were so comfortable with their own offensive abilities that they could pick a solely defensive robot? I know that was many peoples idea during regionals but, when you're in a field as deep as the Championship go offensive or go home. It's that simple.

[ShaunT]

As for the rest of the second round picks, it seems like the higher alliances made weaker second picks. Maybe they were so comfortable with their own offensive abilities that they could pick a solely defensive robot? I know that was many peoples idea during regionals but, when you're in a field as deep as the Championship go offensive or go home. It's that simple.

That was actually our opinion, at least partially. When we picked 247 we picked them primarily for their defensive abilities; their ability to score was just another plus. We felt so confident doing this because somehow 68 slipped all the way to us at 7th seed. When you pick defensively, you have to determine if the the pick will be able to stop more points on average than the next best offensive pick would score on average, and that's what we expected 247 to do.

You have to remember that you can only expect to have 60 moon rocks to work with, and if you plan on letting human players shoot at all you can reduce that to about 50. Our strategy included us preloading everything at the close fueling station in auton and having T3 load up at the far one. There would not have really been that much to make another scoring robot that beneficial; possibly a top loader for outpost loading, but another floor loader would only be able to pick up misses.