Newton 09

[Aren_Hill]

So, whats the general consensus?
(i'm liking it)
16
33
85
86
88
102
121
122
126
135
138
148
159
177
191
195
228
233
234
292
339
340
358
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368
469
529
578
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1038
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1138
1155
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1458
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1547
1557
1569
1625
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1657
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1706
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1726
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1811
1868
1918
2004
2067
2283
2344
2377
2549
2609
2659
2702
2771
2783
2836
2866
2875
2890
2970
2996
3075

[TD78]

Looks like quite a few good teams. 121 is ready to play! :)

[armyOFdarkness]

Galileo might be the toughest division, but there are incredible teams in all of them. It will be interesting to see the win distribution over all of them on (similar to the count they have on the blue alliance).

[Jeff Waegelin]

I'm excited... looks like a great field of teams, and very well balanced. I think we should see some great competition in Newton this year!

[Peter Matteson]

It's a nice mix up after the last few years. Some old familiar faces and some we never get to see with usual break up.

[Justin Montois]

340 is excited to have a chance to play with some of the great robots this year that, up to this point, we have only seen on webcast.

Also, Rochester area teams are going to be a force with 191,578, 1511, 1507 and us.

I can't wait!!! Good Luck to all teams, we'll see you on the field!

ISSSAACCC!!!!!!!!

[kulisb]

I'm excited about this division....definitely nice to see some friends on our field that we don't often get to play with at the Championship!

[DUCKIE]

Looks like a lot of great teams... and a number of Regional Chairman's Award winners.

I'm just wanting The Pink Team and MOE to sit near each other to see what the robot cameras do.

[Josh Goodman]

OH YEAHH!!! NEWTON BABY!!!

Can't wait to see all the old friends and meet some new ones! Looks like we got a great line up of robots here including our 3rd year in a row with 340!! :D

1511 is ready for action. See you out there!

[TKM.368]

While we're not with any of our fellow Hawaii teams, we are definitely looking forward to participating with our fellow Newtonians!

[hillale]

ISSSAACCC!!!!!!!!

NEWTON!!!!

[jennifer_1547]

team 1547 where's waldo is ready to play :)

[nahstobor]

This should be fun, can't wait to get the match schedule.

[WRENCHMOM]

The predictions hve been driving me crazy...I am glad that we finally know who we get to play with! Good luck all! See you next week......:D

[DUCKIE]

FYI: The Newton Division does hold the most 2009 Regional Chairman's Award Winners with 14 teams!!! Go Newton! How about them apples!

[Curie is in 2nd with 11, and both Archimedes and Galileo have 9 RCA teams.]

[Luckyfish05]

292 is pumped to play with everyone! We're going to have a blast!

[soccerchapo12]

good luck to team 2996!
from 1332!!!!

[Jimmy Nichols]

1038 is excited to be in Newton!!

See you all next week.

[KevinReid]

BeaverworX is ready to play, GO NEWTON!

[Chris is me]

I'm dissapointed that Wave Robotics is on a different field than us, but otherwise I like what I see so far. Except having to face Winnovation again. This time, we'll be ready ;)

I don't know many of the teams on the list by number though, which is nice since I didn't want to face too many of the same bots at the tournament.

[Team 135]

Team 135 cannot wait to play with the other GREAT teams on Newton. I hope to see Einstein, or, if all else fails, I hope to see the world champs come from Newton, so we can say that we played them.

[LWakefield]

This looks like a good balance of teams. I don't think this is the toughest group.

[royalpl]

Team 2996 is more than excited for our first championship, and thanks 1332 good luck to you too.

[gorrilla]

1557's ready to go;)



only 7 days btw......

[Rob]

This division is great. Galileo can have their superstars, we have a very deep middle class that will make some awesome elimination alliances! Teamwork and strategy will win this one. If you want to see the best matches in Atlanta, then gravitate towards Newton!

[Tim Baird]

I'm very excited to see the large spread of good, solid teams. We should see a decent number of powerful alliances battling it out in our elims.

Whoever makes it out alive to the big show is going to have a few more battle scars decorating their robot. ;)

[Chexposito]

Good to Compete with you again Winnovation 1625 and Cyber Blue 234. Can't wait. Also come to check out our pit everyone, we are working on some cool stuff.

Also we regret with not being able to compete with 1771. Not being able to compete with you in Palmetto as planned. Maybe next year.

[Tetraman]

FLR teams are going to make an impact. I know the division I'll be watching.

[BPetry234]

Let the other divisions have their "super star" robots. Newton will produce the best third bot out there for Einstien and that is the most important pick in my opinion.

Good luck all teams and GO NEWTON!!!!!

[gorrilla]

Let the other divisions have their "super star" robots. Newton will produce the best third bot out there for Einstien and that is the most important pick in my opinion.

Good luck all teams and GO NEWTON!!!!!


I dont see any reason why Newton cant produce the best robot;)

[BPetry234]

I dont see any reason why Newton cant produce the best robot;)

What was I thinking???!!!! Thank you for showing me the error of my ways.

[Tyler Hicks]

Newton looks like a good Division to be in.
For 1918, there are a lot of new faces.
I am looking forward to meeting new friends.
See you in Atlanta!

[Dan 1038]

This is gonna be awesome! It will be cool to play with many teams we have not had the chance to compete with and against in the past few years, we are excited :D... See ya at the Dome, we need Newton to be heard across the place!

[WRENCHMOM]

Thanks Team Driven! We look forward to seeing you on Newton too!:yikes:

[tanner2point0]

This looks like it's gonna be a solid division with a lot of depth, I think whoever makes it to Einstein out of here will have a good chance of taking the whole thing.

[Dan 1038]

This is gonna be awesome! It will be cool to play with many teams we have not had the chance to compete with and against in the past few years, we are excited :D... See ya at the Dome, we need Newton to be heard across the place!

[NoahTheBoa]

Definitely a deep field in Newton. Can't wait to play with these great. I'm very excited to be in the same division as our friends 2659.

[jennifer_1547]

just gonna say, im feeling that a robot in newton is gonna win the whole thing :)
just saying :)

[gorrilla]

just gonna say, im feeling that a robot in newton is gonna win the whole thing :)
just saying :)

I hope so

its' been awhile.....

[jennifer_1547]

I hope so

its' been awhile.....

no worries, i have a feeling that newton is gonna kick some butt this yearr :)

[nahstobor]

Newton vs. Archimedes, just saying.

[Josh Goodman]

Last time 1511 was on Newton.....well....lets just say.....

Wall of Maroon baby. ;)

1511 will be playing with a lot of new teams that we're excited about and also some older teams we haven't played with in a while.

[Nawaid Ladak]

I hope so

its' been awhile.....

Newton won it in 2007
and in 2005

but then again, that does show a pattern...

[1086VEX]

team 1086 back in newton again!! looks like a great field of teams too!!
I cant wait for next week!!

-Alex

[Chris is me]

team 1086 back in newton again!! looks like a great field of teams too!!
I cant wait for next week!!

-Alex

Is it time for another Cheese Head Alliance?

[1086VEX]

Is it time for another Cheese Head Alliance?

i hope we can pair up sometime! that was way cool last year!:D

[Chris is me]

Heh, well at the very least I hope we get a match with you guys, if only because teams of robots operated by guys wearing foam representations of dairy products is just about the coolest thing ever.

by the way that was my secret plan to beat winnovation, the Power of Cheese :D

[1086VEX]

by the way that was my secret plan to beat winnovation, the Power of Cheese :D

well it sure couldn't hurt our chances!!

[waialua359]

368 is a lock to make eliminations. I'd bet my life on it!
They just missed making it to Einstein as an alliance captain last year.

[Peter Matteson]

Last time 1511 was on Newton.....well....lets just say.....

Wall of Maroon baby. ;)

I remember that, it was agood year. :D

[elvis9110]

by the way that was my secret plan to beat winnovation, the Power of Cheese :D


Well your plan is foiled thanks to our robot's new anti dairy energy shield!!!!
Muahahahahahahahaha

[Aren_Hill]

Well your plan is foiled thanks to our robot's new anti dairy energy shield!!!!
Muahahahahahahahaha


shhhhhhhh;)

[Kit Gerhart]

There probably aren't as many "super star" teams in Newton as, say, Galileo, but we have a good strong field. We have a lot of those always-strong "100s" teams from the northeast.

Pink is still working on some improvements and will be ready to play. It will be interesting, and fun.

[sydney_1547]

waldo is ready to go!! :)

[jennifer_1547]

Newton vs. Archimedes, just saying.

yeahh finals, i think thats TOTALLY gonna happen :)

[sydney_1547]

Newton vs. Archimedes, just saying.

YEAH! totallyyyyy agree! finals right there! :)

[gorrilla]

only 6 days:ahh: !!!!!!!!!!!!

[jennifer_1547]

only 6 days:ahh: !!!!!!!!!!!!

i knowwww im so excited :)

[dabeast13]

Looks like an amazing spread of robots. Can't wait to see all of you at Atlanta. Lets make everyone wish they were in Newton.

[Chris is me]

So instead of doing homework like I should be, I've been working on a little flipbook / storyboard book of all the teams in Newton, along with their highest regional placing (for Michigan teams, both District and State), and their OPR. Would anyone find this of use? If so I'll upload it when I'm done.

(also if you don't have pics on TBA and wanna be in the Team Directory could you send me one? It's fun hunting on Google and team websites but it would be easier)

[gorrilla]

So instead of doing homework like I should be, I've been working on a little flipbook / storyboard book of all the teams in Newton, along with their highest regional placing (for Michigan teams, both District and State), and their OPR. Would anyone find this of use? If so I'll upload it when I'm done.

(also if you don't have pics on TBA and wanna be in the Team Directory could you send me one? It's fun hunting on Google and team websites but it would be easier)

sweet.....

heres the best one of our robot that I've seen(thanks michelle,hope you dont mind)
http://www.michellecelio.com/FLreg09/Robots/Pages/37.html

[Josh Goodman]

Just made a facebook page for Newton! Sign Up!

http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=92551685357

[hillale]

Just made a facebook page for Newton! Sign Up!

http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=92551685357

done

[jennifer_1547]

Just made a facebook page for Newton! Sign Up!

http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=92551685357

alright, joined :)

[gorrilla]

Just made a facebook page for Newton! Sign Up!

http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=92551685357

me'sa joined.....

[Josh Goodman]

By the way....I'm adding friends :)

[XaulZan11]

I know I'm excited to see how 1732 stacks up against some the best teams from across the world (although I'm disapointed 46 isn't in Newton...;) ).

[1t5h1e1o]

So excited!!!! :D

I still can't believe all the Rochester teams in Newton this year :)


Well, no one has done this in about 40 posts or so:

ISSAC!

[Jimb0]

NEWTON!!!!!!!!

[Mr MOE]

MOE 365 is looking to share the Regolith with all the great teams in NEWTON.

Safe travels next week everyone!

See you under the Dome!

[A-train]

Just made a facebook page for Newton! Sign Up!

http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=92551685357

I did! :D

[rees2001]

MOE 365 is looking to share the Regolith with all the great teams in NEWTON.

Safe travels next week everyone!

See you under the Dome!

It will be nice to see you guys again. Have a good trip down & we'll see you in a week.

I hope everyone has a safe & easy trip to Atlanta.

If this is your first time, bring a camera. If this is your 6th time to Atlanta, try to remember your first time there, it probably the first time for one of your students & it's exciting for them!

[rick.oliver]

As the only Ohio team in the division we are very happy to see our friends from Indiana: 135, 234 and 292. They are wonderful representatives of Indiana and great examples of the excellence of F.I.R.S.T. in the state. By the way, they are all very good this year:ahh:

To paraphrase Joe Pendleton, on behalf of Newton, "... we're going to Einstein and --- we're going to win."

"Who's with me" Bluto

[mark johnson]

This looks like a good balance of teams. I don't think this is the toughest group.

Dont sell your self or Newton short!!!! For thoes who dont know,1918 finished 2nd in qualifying and captained there alliance to the finals in the Michigan state championship. They battled tough in the finals aginst the dream team of 217, 67, 65 but was to much to over come. 1918 bot operates on the KISS method, very simple but very effective. To bad there ball sucker broke in the finals ,or it might of been a differnt story.Good luck in Atlanta an hope to see you at the off seasons events !!!

[Mr MOE]

Here is more detailed information regarding CozMOE, MOE 365's bot this season. CozMOE was Philly Regional champ this year, with our partners 395 and 56.

See y'all in the dome.

http://www.moe365.org/robot.php

[Mr MOE]

It will be nice to see you guys again. Have a good trip down & we'll see you in a week.

Thanks, Jason. We are excited to be sharing a pit row (probably) with Team 340. We missed you guys this season. Best of luck with Chairman's!

[miscall]

195 is back on Newton.

I'm really excited.

Good luck y'all.

[matt.clark191]

Im so excited, less than a week left.

BTW, I cant wait to do the MOE cheer!

[LadyinthePit]

Hello Newton!

I can't wait to see all of you guys a week from now. I'm so excited to be in competition once again! I'd like to make sure everyone knows that if you need any spare parts, copies, button making products, or the use of machines such as a drill press or a band saw the Team Driven pit is open for your use. So please stop by if you need anything at all, even a smile! ;)

[MrForbes]

We might take you up on that offer! (especially since we'll probably be right next door)

[Travis Hoffman]

I know I'm excited to see how 1732 stacks up against some the best teams from across the world (although I'm disapointed 46 isn't in Newton...;) ).

46 played in New Hampshire this year. Seriously. Check out Match 1 (http://www2.usfirst.org/2009comp/events/NH/matchresults.html). ;)

[Alex Cormier]

46 played in New Hampshire this year. Seriously. Check out Match 1 (http://www2.usfirst.org/2009comp/events/NH/matchresults.html). ;)

But they lost! Is that the first loss in 6 years?

[XaulZan11]

46 played in New Hampshire this year. Seriously. Check out Match 1 (http://www2.usfirst.org/2009comp/events/NH/matchresults.html). ;)

Travis, that MUST be typo...no way 46 gets held scoreless.

Back on topic, does anyone know who the MC and annoucer for Newton will be?

[dodar]

Thats weird?!?
TBA says 46 doesnt exist as a team

[Josh Goodman]

It was part of 46's strategy. They wanted to fly under the radar as a "bad" team. Don't worry about it.

[1086VEX]

Travis, that MUST be typo...no way 46 gets held scoreless.

Back on topic, does anyone know who the MC and annoucer for Newton will be?

last year it was Jeff Seaton... i hope he's it again he's waaay cool!!

[The Lucas]

I know I'm excited to see how 1732 stacks up against some the best teams from across the world (although I'm disapointed 46 isn't in Newton...;) ).

Thats weird?!?
TBA says 46 doesnt exist as a team

Disclaimer: 46 is now an internet joke )much like Chuck Norris Facts), frequently used in chat room of SOAP Gameday (http://gameday.mttkllr.com/). They were the National Rookie All-Star in 1998 (http://www.team358.org/files/team_lookup/?id=46&name=&country_select=&country=&town=&motto=&robot=&rookie=&min_students=&max_students=&events_year=&events=&mentor=&mentee=&website=&results=Find+Team). Then, they stopped competing (or some would say went into hiding ;) ).

With that Disclaimer:
I heard that 46 is the only team in the Baker Division this year. Whatever alliance prevails on Einstein will get the honor of playing 46. Of course, 46 will single handedly (with 2 placebo trailers) blowout the Einstein winners with their triple Moon Rock Howitzers and legal descoring mechanism :D

I wanted to post that before but decided not to hijack the thread. It appears to be as inevitable as 46 winning the World Championship.

[Athleticgirl389]

Although I will not be attending the Nationals this year (its taking a back seat to schooling haha) I will be spending my Friday and Saturday watching the many great battles to come out of Newton. I think matches will be pretty intense and pretty close. Even with no MAJOR teams in this division, all teams are bound to go for the gold. Good luck to all teams and bring back the National title for the Newton division!!!!

[hillale]

Even with no MAJOR teams in this division, all teams are bound to go for the gold.

I don't know about you guys... but I think there are several MAJOR teams in this division, including a world champion from last year.

[David Brinza]

We might take you up on that offer! (especially since we'll probably be right next door)Wait, Jim. I didn't see a miter saw, planer, router or jointer listed for 1730's pit. Or do you bring your own??;)

[MrForbes]

We don't use fancy tools like that, but we might need some wood glue or something :)

[Josh Goodman]

I don't know about you guys... but I think there are several MAJOR teams in this division, including a world champion from last year.

And the year before......and this year.

ISAAC!

[WRENCHMOM]

NEWTON!!!!!!

[Chexposito]

Wait, Jim. I didn't see a miter saw, planer, router or jointer listed for 1730's pit. Or do you bring your own??;)

I think it matters more that we're giving out all this help and parts out of our pockets. More than what we have to give. We have a lot not all, but you can't bring every tool or part known to man and fit it in a pit sized box with a robot and a few people.

[David Brinza]

I think it matters more that we're giving out all this help and parts out of our pockets. More than what we have to give. We have a lot not all, but you can't bring every tool or part known to man and fit it in a pit sized box with a robot and a few people.Please accept my apologies, I wasn't trying to criticize or minimize your efforts. My post was really a jest targeted at the NERDS (who's awesome robot is crafted from wood). I wouldn't expect any team to even own cabinet makers' power tools (unless they're sponsored by New Yankee Workshop).

It's awesome that your team is offering assistance and opening your pit to other teams. You're setting a high standard for GP at Championship and deserve kudos for your hospitality.

[artdutra04]

Please accept my apologies, I wasn't trying to criticize or minimize your efforts. My post was really a jest targeted at the NERDS (who's awesome robot is crafted from wood). I wouldn't expect any team to even own cabinet makers' power tools (unless they're sponsored by Yankee Workshop).Now that would be a sight to see - a Norm Abrams FRC robot! :yikes:

[BenX02]

Man, I wish 832 ended up with us and 2415 in Archimedes. :(

[Tyler Hicks]

He is right, you might not know much about a team, but doesn't mean they are not any good. It is going to be very challenging.

[Treadus]

I thought I might let you guys in on a little secret. Myself and a few others from 1730 have been working on a special present. It will be in our pit and there is no way you can miss it. I'm encouraging you all to stop by our pit, and take a few minutes to get a taste of what Team Driven does. We are still puting a lot of work into it, but this will definitely be a FIRST? Haha, oh man. Come check out the newest addition to our pit. Oh and feel free to stop by anyways :P Good luck!

[Joe Ross]

Similar to what I did last year (http://www.chiefdelphi.com/forums/showpost.php?p=735425&postcount=165), I ran through 193 simulated qualification match schedules (all 102 matches, using the FIRST match generator). I used each team's average opr (http://www.chiefdelphi.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=76618) for their contribution to a match. I calculated the standings for each of the 193 simulated qualification schedules, and then looked at some statistics from the aggregate results.

When I went back and looked at last year's data, a team finished within 1 standard deviation of their average seed 60% of the time, and within 2 standard deviations 95% of the time. Only 3 teams seeded higher/lower then their min/max seed.

Team Avg Seed Median Mode StDev Min Max #1 seed Top 8
1625 6.3 4 1 7.5 1 48 40 155
121 7.4 5 1 7.7 1 47 46 131
1726 10.4 7 1 9.8 1 47 20 106
1507 12.6 9 3 12.6 1 69 11 96
2970 14.4 11 4 12.7 1 67 10 85
1701 17.6 14 3 13.6 1 78 7 56
234 18.5 14 5 15.3 1 65 7 60
16 21.8 17 7 16.2 1 76 4 47
1155 21.5 19 5 14.9 1 66 3 42
2377 22.4 19 5 15.8 1 76 2 44
102 21.2 17 7 16.1 1 67 3 49
191 21.9 19 2 14.8 1 64 2 43
364 22.6 19 31 15.5 1 67 2 40
1038 22.9 18 7 16.8 1 79 2 41
469 22.2 19 4 15.8 1 70 2 42
148 24.3 20 13 16.3 1 82 2 24
1732 25.4 22 19 16.1 1 68 1 27
135 24.2 22 30 15.2 1 77 6 31
1918 27.6 25 32 16.1 1 75 2 19
368 29.6 27 18 18.0 1 86 3 18
2344 28.7 27 6 17.3 1 86 3 26
1868 29.0 25 17 17.0 1 82 1 22
233 29.9 28 11 18.8 1 81 4 24
292 32.4 30 9 18.6 2 79 0 14
612 31.6 31 44 17.9 2 78 0 22
1714 33.4 31 22 17.9 3 85 0 11
852 32.5 30 8 19.2 1 87 1 17
360 31.2 27 51 19.2 1 78 2 22
85 30.9 28 25 18.3 3 84 0 15
126 30.4 29 22 16.4 1 77 1 14
122 35.9 34 43 18.9 1 84 1 13
1657 33.5 31 21 19.6 1 80 1 20
1629 33.8 32 32 19.2 2 86 0 17
88 37.8 35 19 20.8 2 86 0 15
846 35.1 34 30 18.7 1 83 1 13
365 36.7 34 14 20.6 2 83 0 12
768 37.9 36 35 17.4 2 79 0 7
33 36.9 36 32 19.2 1 81 2 11
1086 40.2 40 43 20.4 2 80 0 12
159 40.5 38 39 19.3 2 82 0 7
340 42.4 43 65 19.6 2 85 0 8
842 43.8 42 52 20.0 2 84 0 6
1350 43.9 45 46 18.9 2 82 0 4
3075 43.8 43 34 19.8 4 86 0 9
862 42.4 44 49 19.0 2 81 0 6
2890 44.1 46 55 19.9 2 85 0 9
2609 44.3 44 44 20.5 5 87 0 4
2866 46.0 47 34 19.1 6 87 0 4
177 46.6 51 53 20.7 6 84 0 3
2875 49.5 50 70 18.9 6 86 0 3
2283 51.7 53 68 18.0 10 83 0 0
2771 50.5 51 51 19.4 3 87 0 2
832 54.9 57 53 19.4 8 87 0 1
195 54.3 57 58 17.9 2 87 0 1
1138 54.3 57 61 17.9 12 87 0 0
578 53.4 56 56 18.0 6 86 0 1
1557 57.6 59 56 16.9 17 85 0 0
1730 53.9 55 38 20.0 6 86 0 2
228 56.3 58 71 18.7 1 87 1 2
1811 58.4 60 62 17.7 7 87 0 1
339 56.1 59 67 18.6 8 87 0 1
1516 57.2 59 55 17.8 10 87 0 0
1706 57.2 60 69 18.3 14 87 0 0
1098 56.8 58 72 19.1 7 87 0 1
358 59.3 61 70 18.5 7 87 0 1
2659 57.3 60 60 19.7 4 87 0 1
1569 60.1 62 73 16.8 12 85 0 0
980 58.5 60 66 17.7 11 87 0 0
2004 60.6 65 79 19.7 10 87 0 0
1511 60.2 64 58 18.4 8 86 0 1
1209 62.3 65 80 17.4 10 86 0 0
1458 61.9 67 56 17.6 12 87 0 0
2836 63.4 68 73 16.7 6 87 0 2
620 63.8 64 82 15.9 8 87 0 1
1506 67.3 72 75 16.2 25 87 0 0
2067 67.9 72 72 15.4 15 87 0 0
2702 67.5 72 81 15.6 11 87 0 0
2783 67.6 71 85 14.6 25 87 0 0
138 71.3 75 85 13.7 21 87 0 0
1547 69.4 73 83 14.0 16 87 0 0
1700 70.3 74 84 13.6 34 87 0 0
1311 70.4 74 74 13.7 25 87 0 0
1023 72.3 76 86 13.3 29 87 0 0
2996 73.2 76 84 12.0 22 87 0 0
2549 73.1 76 87 12.9 14 87 0 0
529 75.2 78 86 11.4 38 87 0 0
86 82.4 85 87 7.4 42 87 0 0

[Alex Cormier]

There is now 88 teams in Newton this year. Who is the extra team?

[TKM.368]

There is now 88 teams in Newton this year. Who is the extra team?

Looks like 687 (https://my.usfirst.org/myarea/index.lasso?page=teaminfo&team=687&event_type=FRC) is now in (https://my.usfirst.org/myarea/index.lasso?page=teamlist&event_type=FRC&sort=teamnum&year=2009&event=cmp&division=newton). Welcome!

[Alex Cormier]

Looks like 687 (https://my.usfirst.org/myarea/index.lasso?page=teaminfo&team=687&event_type=FRC) is now in (https://my.usfirst.org/myarea/index.lasso?page=teamlist&event_type=FRC&sort=teamnum&year=2009&event=cmp&division=newton). Welcome!

But... why and how?

[Mike Starke]

Newton just feels like home to me. :) 340 has been on Newton 5 times out of the last 6 years.
There is a lot of Newton pride here, lets make Archimedes, Curie and Galileo wish they were in our division! Let's have some non stop cheering and excitement!
NEWTON PRIDE!!!!




ISSAC!

[TKM.368]

But... why and how?
Good question.

Similar to what I did last year (http://www.chiefdelphi.com/forums/showpost.php?p=735425&postcount=165), I ran through 193 simulated qualification match schedules (all 102 matches, using the FIRST match generator).
Thanks Joe! I don't suppose you intend to rerun the simulation with the addition of 687, will you? :ahh:

ISSAC!
NEWTON!!!

[1t5h1e1o]

Now that would be a sight to see - a Norm Abrams FRC robot! :yikes:

That thing would have some major class. :D

[Joe Ross]

Thanks Joe! I don't suppose you intend to rerun the simulation with the addition of 687, will you? :ahh:


No promises. It takes about 24 hours to run a simulation (most of that is generating matches). I need to refactor the code to add another team, and I'm not sure if I'll have time to do that and run the simulation before the championship.

687's average OPR is similar to 33 and 768, so they should do similarly.

They won the engineering inspiration award at the Los Angeles Regional, which is how they qualified. Not sure how they added so late.

[BradMello]

Great show of teams in Newton this year, I look forward to the competition.



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1eov0n4pukE

total coincidence our best score was at 1:21

[Dan 1038]

Similar to what I did last year (http://www.chiefdelphi.com/forums/showpost.php?p=735425&postcount=165), I ran through 193 simulated qualification match schedules (all 102 matches, using the FIRST match generator). I used each team's average opr (http://www.chiefdelphi.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=76618) for their contribution to a match. I calculated the standings for each of the 193 simulated qualification schedules, and then looked at some statistics from the aggregate results.

When I went back and looked at last year's data, a team finished within 1 standard deviation of their average seed 60% of the time, and within 2 standard deviations 95% of the time. Only 3 teams seeded higher/lower then their min/max seed.


Team Avg Seed Median Mode StDev Min Max #1 seed Top 8
1625 6.3 4 1 7.5 1 48 40 155
121 7.4 5 1 7.7 1 47 46 131
1726 10.4 7 1 9.8 1 47 20 106
1507 12.6 9 3 12.6 1 69 11 96
2970 14.4 11 4 12.7 1 67 10 85
1701 17.6 14 3 13.6 1 78 7 56
234 18.5 14 5 15.3 1 65 7 60
16 21.8 17 7 16.2 1 76 4 47
1155 21.5 19 5 14.9 1 66 3 42
2377 22.4 19 5 15.8 1 76 2 44
102 21.2 17 7 16.1 1 67 3 49
191 21.9 19 2 14.8 1 64 2 43
364 22.6 19 31 15.5 1 67 2 40
1038 22.9 18 7 16.8 1 79 2 41


First, I must say I am impressed at your analysis - neat way to look at the available data and extrapolate a result. Unfortunately, as the stats suggest, the analysis really doesn't mean anything. The standard deviations are too large to lead any credance to the results, as would be expected in an analysis with this many variables. Keep at it, if you can refine this it will be a very cool way to predict team's success!

[LadyinthePit]

Wait, Jim. I didn't see a miter saw, planer, router or jointer listed for 1730's pit. Or do you bring your own??;)

Let's put it this way at the Palmetto Regional Bilfred said that our team had everything but the kitchen sink. So you'll just have to come by and see what tricks we have up our sleeves ;)

[Joe Ross]

First, I must say I am impressed at your analysis - neat way to look at the available data and extrapolate a result. Unfortunately, as the stats suggest, the analysis really doesn't mean anything. The standard deviations are too large to lead any credance to the results, as would be expected in an analysis with this many variables. Keep at it, if you can refine this it will be a very cool way to predict team's success!

It worked better last year because there was a much wider distribution of scores. This year, there's isn't as big of difference between the 3rd or 4th best robot in a division and the 20th. The standard deviations last year were about half of what they are this year.

The other thing this demonstrates is how only 7 seeding rounds isn't adequate.

The final factor is that this year it's much harder to separate a single robot's performance in to any single number. For example, your partner that pins another robot so you can score doesn't score anything itself, but certainly contributes points to the alliance. Last year's game was much more seperable, and in that case OPR correlated with our scouting very well (0.9). This year it's still decent, but not as good (0.6).

[BandChick]

For anyone interested I posted some fun signature userbars over here:
http://www.chiefdelphi.com/forums/showthread.php?p=849348#post849348

Support Newton! Or, if you can't pick, there's even one for every division!
FTC bars too, in case your team is competing in both!

[mark johnson]

[QUOTE=BradMello;849216]Great show of teams in Newton this year, I look forward to the competition.




I agree,with a list of teams kike this 16 33 85 121 126 135 148 177 191 233 234 340 365 469 1625 1726 1732 1918 and im sure I missed some great teams ,Newton is rock solid!!!!!!!!!

[Dan 1038]

The final factor is that this year it's much harder to separate a single robot's performance in to any single number. For example, your partner that pins another robot so you can score doesn't score anything itself, but certainly contributes points to the alliance. Last year's game was much more seperable, and in that case OPR correlated with our scouting very well (0.9). This year it's still decent, but not as good (0.6).

Agreed, Last year was perfect for this type of analysis as there was no significant defense contribution, as Simbotics so blatantly showed all of us :eek:. We had the (mis?)fortune of being against them at both Midwest and the championships... This year has so many variables, it is about impossible to analyze individual robots using alliance stats. At Buckeye, I saw a number of defensive bots with no scoring ability score huge - they had human players off the basketball team! That is a key to the game this year which is kind of new, since the HPs can make or break a close match. It is also about impossible to show the effectiveness of HPs without dedicating scouts to watch the robot and another to watch the HP!

[Wayne TenBrink]

All these predictions and rating systems are great, but the only score that matters is the one that shows up on the board after the match. All are good in that they make us think about what factors matter in this game, and they give us something to do while we wait for the real thing!

All of them seem to be in general agreement, with the same teams showing up in approximately the same place on each. I would caution against trying to get too precise with any of this. In fact, I think you are kidding youself if you have more than one or two significant digits in the rating.

We plan to use advance scouting for two things:
1) Qual match planning - who are the scoring threats, who is likely to come after us, and who should we send after their top threat?
2) Draft scouting priority - since we really can't do a good job of scouting every team. We plan to focus on about the top half.

Not to be left out of the fun, we came up with our own system. It is based mostly on the FIRST in MI system (win/loss record, draft selection, and elimination performance, all normalized to account for the different numbers of events) with a scaling factor based on the Simbots "+/- contribution" thrown in for good measure. Did we put the proper empahsis on the correct statistics? Who knows. It must be right because it puts us in the top 10 (just kidding). It agrees with a lot of the other ratings, but there are some good teams that didn't make the cut, so I wouldn't bet the farm on it. Here is what we came up with for the teams above the median:

Team # Rating
1625 49
2970 43
1155 42
121 42
1038 41
1726 41
1657 39
368 39
1507 38
85 35
1918 34
852 33
234 33
612 32
1086 32
3075 31
16 31
2344 31
832 29
148 28
469 28
1868 28
1569 27
292 27
768 27
365 27
1706 26
126 26
2866 25
2377 25
135 25
2004 25
102 24
2996 24
2609 23
2659 23
1714 22
1629 22
360 22
88 22
1511 21
233 21
364 20
1732 20
1701 20

[rees2001]

Not sure how statistic driven your analysis is. You seem to have left off a good number of good teams and included a number of teams that were picked teams at regionals, not the pickers.

[Athleticgirl389]

Similar to what I did last year (http://www.chiefdelphi.com/forums/showpost.php?p=735425&postcount=165), I ran through 193 simulated qualification match schedules (all 102 matches, using the FIRST match generator). I used each team's average opr (http://www.chiefdelphi.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=76618) for their contribution to a match. I calculated the standings for each of the 193 simulated qualification schedules, and then looked at some statistics from the aggregate results.

When I went back and looked at last year's data, a team finished within 1 standard deviation of their average seed 60% of the time, and within 2 standard deviations 95% of the time. Only 3 teams seeded higher/lower then their min/max seed.

Team Avg Seed Median Mode StDev Min Max #1 seed Top 8
1625 6.3 4 1 7.5 1 48 40 155
121 7.4 5 1 7.7 1 47 46 131
1726 10.4 7 1 9.8 1 47 20 106
1507 12.6 9 3 12.6 1 69 11 96
2970 14.4 11 4 12.7 1 67 10 85
1701 17.6 14 3 13.6 1 78 7 56
234 18.5 14 5 15.3 1 65 7 60
16 21.8 17 7 16.2 1 76 4 47
1155 21.5 19 5 14.9 1 66 3 42
2377 22.4 19 5 15.8 1 76 2 44
102 21.2 17 7 16.1 1 67 3 49
191 21.9 19 2 14.8 1 64 2 43
364 22.6 19 31 15.5 1 67 2 40
1038 22.9 18 7 16.8 1 79 2 41
469 22.2 19 4 15.8 1 70 2 42
148 24.3 20 13 16.3 1 82 2 24
1732 25.4 22 19 16.1 1 68 1 27
135 24.2 22 30 15.2 1 77 6 31
1918 27.6 25 32 16.1 1 75 2 19
368 29.6 27 18 18.0 1 86 3 18
2344 28.7 27 6 17.3 1 86 3 26
1868 29.0 25 17 17.0 1 82 1 22
233 29.9 28 11 18.8 1 81 4 24
292 32.4 30 9 18.6 2 79 0 14
612 31.6 31 44 17.9 2 78 0 22
1714 33.4 31 22 17.9 3 85 0 11
852 32.5 30 8 19.2 1 87 1 17
360 31.2 27 51 19.2 1 78 2 22
85 30.9 28 25 18.3 3 84 0 15
126 30.4 29 22 16.4 1 77 1 14
122 35.9 34 43 18.9 1 84 1 13
1657 33.5 31 21 19.6 1 80 1 20
1629 33.8 32 32 19.2 2 86 0 17
88 37.8 35 19 20.8 2 86 0 15
846 35.1 34 30 18.7 1 83 1 13
365 36.7 34 14 20.6 2 83 0 12
768 37.9 36 35 17.4 2 79 0 7
33 36.9 36 32 19.2 1 81 2 11
1086 40.2 40 43 20.4 2 80 0 12
159 40.5 38 39 19.3 2 82 0 7
340 42.4 43 65 19.6 2 85 0 8
842 43.8 42 52 20.0 2 84 0 6
1350 43.9 45 46 18.9 2 82 0 4
3075 43.8 43 34 19.8 4 86 0 9
862 42.4 44 49 19.0 2 81 0 6
2890 44.1 46 55 19.9 2 85 0 9
2609 44.3 44 44 20.5 5 87 0 4
2866 46.0 47 34 19.1 6 87 0 4
177 46.6 51 53 20.7 6 84 0 3
2875 49.5 50 70 18.9 6 86 0 3
2283 51.7 53 68 18.0 10 83 0 0
2771 50.5 51 51 19.4 3 87 0 2
832 54.9 57 53 19.4 8 87 0 1
195 54.3 57 58 17.9 2 87 0 1
1138 54.3 57 61 17.9 12 87 0 0
578 53.4 56 56 18.0 6 86 0 1
1557 57.6 59 56 16.9 17 85 0 0
1730 53.9 55 38 20.0 6 86 0 2
228 56.3 58 71 18.7 1 87 1 2
1811 58.4 60 62 17.7 7 87 0 1
339 56.1 59 67 18.6 8 87 0 1
1516 57.2 59 55 17.8 10 87 0 0
1706 57.2 60 69 18.3 14 87 0 0
1098 56.8 58 72 19.1 7 87 0 1
358 59.3 61 70 18.5 7 87 0 1
2659 57.3 60 60 19.7 4 87 0 1
1569 60.1 62 73 16.8 12 85 0 0
980 58.5 60 66 17.7 11 87 0 0
2004 60.6 65 79 19.7 10 87 0 0
1511 60.2 64 58 18.4 8 86 0 1
1209 62.3 65 80 17.4 10 86 0 0
1458 61.9 67 56 17.6 12 87 0 0
2836 63.4 68 73 16.7 6 87 0 2
620 63.8 64 82 15.9 8 87 0 1
1506 67.3 72 75 16.2 25 87 0 0
2067 67.9 72 72 15.4 15 87 0 0
2702 67.5 72 81 15.6 11 87 0 0
2783 67.6 71 85 14.6 25 87 0 0
138 71.3 75 85 13.7 21 87 0 0
1547 69.4 73 83 14.0 16 87 0 0
1700 70.3 74 84 13.6 34 87 0 0
1311 70.4 74 74 13.7 25 87 0 0
1023 72.3 76 86 13.3 29 87 0 0
2996 73.2 76 84 12.0 22 87 0 0
2549 73.1 76 87 12.9 14 87 0 0
529 75.2 78 86 11.4 38 87 0 0
86 82.4 85 87 7.4 42 87 0 0


Boy oh boy do I love Stats <3 LOL! Coinicidence.... all 102 matches and 102 is there, doing pretty well... I always knew I liked that number :p lol. Seeing Stats. in general are just fun things so this is amazing :D

[Chris is me]

All these predictions and rating systems are great, but the only score that matters is the one that shows up on the board after the match.

That's true, but you can't use that score to scout individual teams! There are 5 other robots on the field, that all affect the score! Making a scouting system based on that not only defeats the purpose of scouting at a regional, it's inaccurate because qualifiers aren't perfect.

Maybe I'm just critical because my team's not on the upper half of that list, though :D

[IKE]

Great work with all of the techniques so far.

One thing I like about the Simbots system is they look at each indiviual team and event. One important factor on this is to look for trends. Like anything else with time, some get better. Some do worse (because the field got better), some got lucky, some are consistently good.

The averaging systems can be dangerous because they do not pay attention to these trends. Some experienced teams had a great first weekend because there were a lot of dead bots at the regionals they attended that they could pick on.

Consistent top and bottom performers are easy to pick out. If a team only attends 1 event, it is very difficult to determine Lucky vs. Good.

Happy Data Crunching!

Rembmer always temper your data with common sense, and make sure your opinion reflects reality by using a data.

[rees2001]

One important factor on this is to look for trends. Like anything else with time, some get better.

The averaging systems can be dangerous because they do not pay attention to these trends.


This is a good point, some teams show up for competition with systems that need some work while others show up as ready as they will ever be.

340 showed up with some work to do. We started 0-3 & then went 9-1 before losing 2 in the finals. The record shows 9-6 but I see, streaks of 0-3 then 5-0 in quals, 4-1 then 0-2 in elims. We have also had weeks to work out the bugs & make some changes ;). I love the speculation leading up to Championship & I do know that prior performance plays a part but, things can change.

[Chexposito]

Just to clarify what I said about team driven's strategy. We can score but a good strategy that worked well for us at one regional for empty cell delivery. We can score and especially because of our awesome drivetrain. We can adapt to many roles. And one very nice thing is we don't break like other robots. The only thing we've broken was in the pit by accident.

[Robyn Needel]

This looks like a great competition field - can't wait to see old friends and meet new ones! Let's make sure that Newton is the best all-around field in Atlanta! 768 is ready to play :-)

[Justin Montois]

Knowing we had to bring our best to compete on Newton, we decided to make some changes....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iDtaIucO54g

[colin340]

nice job on that video Justin
and do i here a dolphin in that video at :38 or is that just Jeremy Tice ?JK!! Thanks for the help Tice!!
i can't wait for ATL

[Alex Cormier]

Knowing we had to bring our best to compete on Newton, we decided to make some changes....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iDtaIucO54g

I knew something was brewing at the GRR place!

[dodar]

I guess im a bit slow but wasnt that a totally different robot holding and firing the empty cell from the beginning of the video? :confused:

[Justin Montois]

I guess im a bit slow but wasnt that a totally different robot holding and firing the empty cell from the beginning of the video? :confused:

It will look like a totally different robot. But really we just took off the shooter and took out our ball management system and replaced them with a couple inclined planes and some powered rollers.

The robot in the video was our practice bot.

[MOE]

HELLOOOooo from the North East :D
Yep its me old MOE and Team 88 TJ2 we are ready for a HOOT. See all of the great teams on Thur. Take care and have a safe trip to ALT. ;) See you all SOOOoooooon MOE and TEAM 88 TJ2:yikes:

[Joe Ross]

Thanks Joe! I don't suppose you intend to rerun the simulation with the addition of 687, will you? :ahh:

Here you go:
Team Avg Seed Median Mode StDev Min Max #1 Seed Top 8
1625 5.7 3 1 6.4 1 43 41 160
121 6.7 4 1 7.6 1 47 41 145
1726 10.1 8 4 9.7 1 61 18 111
1507 12.0 8.5 4 11.6 1 78 13 100
2970 14.2 12 3 12.1 1 59 15 78
1701 18.5 14 10 14.4 1 66 7 59
234 19.6 15.5 15 14.6 1 82 6 45
2377 21.1 17 3 16.6 1 77 6 58
16 21.6 18 11 14.6 1 67 4 40
191 21.8 18.5 7 15.2 1 74 3 49
1038 21.9 19 12 16.0 1 80 5 39
364 22.4 16 15 16.9 1 69 6 43
1155 23.3 20 5 16.3 1 72 2 46
469 23.3 18 14 16.9 1 70 6 42
148 23.3 20 7 16.1 1 79 1 42
102 23.5 21 22 16.5 1 80 5 39
1918 25.6 21 16 17.3 1 71 3 32
2344 27.2 26 17 16.1 1 79 1 23
135 27.6 25 31 17.5 1 78 1 27
368 27.8 26 32 16.0 2 79 0 20
1732 28.5 25.5 12 18.6 1 80 4 28
233 28.9 27 27 17.1 3 74 0 26
1868 29.5 27.5 12 18.2 2 79 0 26
292 30.9 28.5 31 19.2 2 81 0 22
1714 31.9 29 23 17.6 1 82 2 14
1657 32.1 28.5 27 18.8 1 84 1 21
126 32.3 29.5 18 19.5 1 85 1 17
852 33.0 29 20 18.7 2 86 0 17
612 33.3 31.5 25 17.8 1 81 1 12
846 34.0 32.5 24 17.9 1 85 2 9
85 34.7 31 27 19.1 1 80 1 15
88 34.9 34 36 19.9 2 80 0 17
122 35.0 33 44 19.2 2 81 0 15
360 35.5 33 31 18.8 2 82 0 13
1629 35.9 34 46 17.6 2 86 0 6
33 36.4 35 48 19.2 2 88 0 13
768 36.7 34 49 18.6 2 81 0 9
365 37.6 36 28 19.8 1 86 2 12
687 39.4 38 30 19.2 4 86 0 10
1086 40.4 42 51 18.7 1 80 1 10
159 40.7 39 35 18.9 3 87 0 6
340 41.8 41 38 17.9 2 87 0 4
1350 43.0 43 44 19.6 5 85 0 4
3075 43.5 42 23 19.8 4 88 0 8
2866 44.4 46 20 19.8 2 86 0 12
862 44.7 43.5 38 19.8 6 86 0 4
842 45.0 46 66 20.0 3 86 0 6
2609 46.1 45 43 19.1 1 87 1 3
2890 48.1 50 55 19.0 4 84 0 3
2875 48.5 51 70 18.5 8 83 0 4
177 49.7 53 67 19.1 2 88 0 2
2283 50.2 52 43 21.1 3 87 0 6
2771 51.3 52 44 18.9 7 87 0 2
578 53.5 56.5 77 19.3 6 87 0 2
195 53.6 54.5 53 18.9 5 88 0 2
832 53.8 54.5 66 18.3 6 87 0 1
1138 55.1 56.5 47 18.5 3 88 0 2
1557 55.8 58 69 19.0 5 88 0 2
2659 56.7 59 55 18.7 5 87 0 2
228 56.9 58.5 59 18.0 10 87 0 0
1098 57.7 59 57 18.8 3 88 0 3
1730 58.5 61 69 18.8 9 87 0 0
1516 59.2 61.5 58 18.2 9 88 0 0
1706 59.2 61 86 19.2 3 88 0 4
358 59.2 61 68 18.3 9 87 0 0
1811 59.4 62 54 17.7 5 88 0 1
339 60.0 62 82 18.2 12 88 0 0
980 60.6 65.5 71 19.1 2 86 0 2
1569 60.6 66 80 18.8 3 88 0 3
1209 62.1 63.5 71 16.7 9 87 0 0
2004 62.2 65 81 16.8 15 87 0 0
1458 62.6 65 82 17.5 11 88 0 0
1511 63.2 69.5 72 17.9 11 88 0 0
2836 65.0 69 56 16.8 7 88 0 1
620 65.5 70 79 17.6 8 88 0 1
1506 66.2 71 74 16.6 16 88 0 0
2783 67.9 72 85 16.2 18 88 0 0
2702 67.9 72 85 15.6 14 88 0 0
2067 69.0 73 73 13.7 30 88 0 0
138 69.9 74 86 15.2 10 88 0 0
1311 70.3 74 74 14.9 21 88 0 0
1547 72.3 76 85 14.9 13 88 0 0
2996 73.0 77 87 12.8 29 88 0 0
1700 73.3 76 84 13.6 11 88 0 0
1023 74.7 78.5 87 13.4 19 88 0 0
2549 74.9 79 87 13.0 31 88 0 0
529 77.7 82 85 11.1 41 88 0 0
86 83.7 86.5 88 7.6 36 88 0 0

[gorrilla]

:ahh: less then 1 day now:ahh:

[flippy147852]

It's been a while so...

ISSAC!!!

[MadeAtMidnight]

....Newton!!

[MOE]

HELLOooooo from the North East :D


NEWTON !!!!

TYE DYE for ever ;) oh yeah ???? OH YEAH !!!!
MOE and Team 88 TJ2 see all soooooon :yikes:

[Joe Ross]

I used the average OPR and actual match schedule to predict the outcome of every match and the standings.

Match Red 1 Red 2 Red 3 Blue 1 Blue 2 Blue 3 R Score B Score
1 364 1209 1811 2609 2771 852 62 67
2 469 2996 2702 1507 228 1155 51 88
3 360 135 368 1701 862 1506 86 68
4 612 2344 2970 1730 88 233 94 71
5 2836 339 768 2283 86 159 54 40
6 1350 846 2783 102 122 138 59 68
7 292 177 980 85 842 121 63 94
8 1511 1098 16 2659 1625 1657 63 88
9 195 2377 1726 126 2004 2549 90 49
10 1311 1629 2890 1706 1516 620 56 44
11 340 1714 1547 234 1038 578 59 84
12 1918 358 687 1458 1557 1086 70 54
13 529 832 1138 148 1732 2875 42 81
14 2866 1023 1569 3075 2067 191 44 65
15 1868 33 1350 1700 365 16 75 67
16 126 612 2609 2783 2659 862 75 49
17 159 620 102 1657 135 2702 67 67
18 1726 234 2890 2283 228 177 96 56
19 578 85 195 368 2344 2771 63 77
20 339 2970 360 2549 529 292 81 41
21 2067 1557 88 846 832 1701 54 79
22 2377 1516 1458 122 980 1023 62 49
23 233 148 364 33 340 2996 91 56
24 3075 1706 121 1918 852 1511 83 71
25 365 2004 1732 768 1714 1629 71 78
26 1868 1811 1625 1138 2866 469 90 71
27 1506 842 86 2875 1569 1086 32 58
28 2836 1730 1155 138 1038 191 62 74
29 687 1547 1507 1209 1098 1311 72 39
30 1700 85 159 358 122 862 59 64
31 195 2283 16 529 980 233 70 49
32 1706 1023 228 2970 1350 126 41 87
33 768 2771 469 2890 135 2659 76 68
34 365 86 2702 177 2067 1918 35 61
35 578 1629 1625 1730 846 148 90 74
36 364 339 1547 842 191 1868 57 82
37 33 292 620 358 832 1569 65 49
38 1506 2377 1732 1098 1557 612 74 60
39 360 1657 1209 1714 3075 2836 67 62
40 102 88 1726 1511 1038 2996 98 54
41 1155 2875 1700 687 340 1516 61 63
42 2783 2549 852 2866 1458 2344 45 64
43 2004 121 1701 1311 1811 234 95 59
44 1138 2609 1507 138 1086 368 78 62
45 86 1098 1868 980 126 148 42 73
46 1657 832 364 2377 578 1706 76 66
47 2067 2996 1506 2836 2970 2771 30 69
48 122 612 1569 1714 1511 195 68 59
49 340 1732 2549 842 846 2890 60 70
50 862 88 852 687 234 339 75 74
51 1023 1701 768 292 1038 1138 68 78
52 1625 102 1311 1155 365 358 87 74
53 3075 2344 2283 1086 620 1700 70 44
54 121 16 159 138 228 360 101 54
55 469 1730 2004 2783 33 177 64 56
56 1516 1507 2659 1557 1811 233 71 61
57 529 368 1918 1726 2866 1209 65 75
58 1458 1547 2875 1629 2702 85 43 64
59 191 1350 2996 135 2609 86 62 49
60 980 1138 234 364 2836 2549 67 52
61 1086 2067 360 612 852 102 61 86
62 1511 2344 148 339 1023 2004 74 39
63 233 1868 620 121 1038 687 68 102
64 2970 842 1714 1516 1701 1625 87 97
65 1918 1811 846 195 1098 159 72 57
66 1458 1350 1569 340 368 2659 51 68
67 358 16 2609 1629 3075 1726 70 88
68 177 1706 2771 529 88 191 55 64
69 138 1657 2866 1732 126 85 57 84
70 1557 1209 2702 1730 1700 768 42 51
71 862 2377 33 1311 228 2875 79 46
72 122 832 2283 135 365 1507 63 95
73 2890 1506 292 2783 1155 1547 62 53
74 469 1516 1511 578 1086 2549 62 48
75 842 1098 1023 2996 234 360 46 69
76 1701 340 2836 529 2344 1629 71 61
77 2004 2866 620 980 612 1350 48 64
78 1730 2067 1714 159 2875 1706 55 59
79 122 33 852 1557 1138 1726 78 75
80 846 368 126 1155 339 16 82 81
81 2783 1732 135 1311 1868 195 71 55
82 85 1038 228 86 1625 364 76 76
83 2771 121 1569 1700 1657 1507 79 74
84 578 2609 687 768 1506 177 64 56
85 233 3075 862 2890 365 1458 72 62
86 138 148 1811 292 88 2702 57 65
87 2659 191 2283 1209 358 2377 67 62
88 2970 102 832 469 1547 1918 88 71
89 529 842 1038 1350 159 852 60 72
90 1098 2875 2836 620 1726 2783 49 63
91 1516 2609 1569 1868 360 1730 52 72
92 1086 228 365 1701 2771 2866 66 75
93 768 1458 195 88 364 1507 57 97
94 578 1138 2890 1209 2996 2004 58 37
95 86 1700 1629 1811 832 1023 33 42
96 135 340 138 612 339 1706 62 59
97 126 234 1625 292 3075 122 107 76
98 2702 1511 1311 846 2283 2970 34 82
99 980 1714 2659 102 33 2344 58 86
100 2067 85 687 2377 469 16 62 97
101 233 368 358 1547 1732 177 73 60
102 191 2549 1657 1506 1918 148 65 73
103 1557 1155 195 121 862 529 68 73

Rank Team Wins Losses Ties Matches QP RS MP
1 121 7 0 0 7 14 65.29 102
2 1625 6 0 1 7 13 74.43 107
3 102 6 0 1 7 13 63.43 98
4 1726 6 1 0 7 12 59.71 98
5 2771 6 1 0 7 12 59.71 79
6 1507 6 1 0 7 12 58.14 97
7 126 6 1 0 7 12 56.43 107
8 191 6 1 0 7 12 56.29 82
9 2344 6 1 0 7 12 54.43 94
10 2970 6 1 0 7 12 53.57 94
11 1701 5 2 0 7 10 66.14 97
12 368 5 2 0 7 10 64.29 86
13 852 5 2 0 7 10 64 86
14 3075 5 2 0 7 10 61.29 88
15 862 5 2 0 7 10 60.86 79
16 234 5 2 0 7 10 60.29 107
17 88 5 2 0 7 10 60.29 98
18 846 5 2 0 7 10 59.86 82
19 687 5 2 0 7 10 59.14 102
20 612 5 2 0 7 10 58.14 94
21 33 5 2 0 7 10 58.14 86
22 1516 5 2 0 7 10 57.43 97
23 1629 5 2 0 7 10 56.57 90
24 2377 5 2 0 7 10 56.29 97
25 360 5 2 0 7 10 54.86 86
26 2890 5 2 0 7 10 54.29 96
27 148 5 2 0 7 10 53.57 91
28 1350 5 2 0 7 10 53.57 87
29 1038 4 2 1 7 9 63.86 102
30 135 4 2 1 7 9 61.29 95
31 122 4 3 0 7 8 62.86 78
32 469 4 3 0 7 8 61 97
33 1918 4 3 0 7 8 59.71 73
34 1868 4 3 0 7 8 58.86 90
35 2659 4 3 0 7 8 58.86 88
36 292 4 3 0 7 8 58.14 78
37 1138 4 3 0 7 8 58.14 78
38 340 4 3 0 7 8 58.14 71
39 1732 4 3 0 7 8 57.86 84
40 578 4 3 0 7 8 57.57 90
41 768 4 3 0 7 8 57.43 78
42 2609 4 3 0 7 8 57.14 78
43 832 4 3 0 7 8 54 88
44 2283 4 3 0 7 8 49.71 82
45 1657 3 3 1 7 7 64.86 88
46 364 3 3 1 7 7 60.86 97
47 85 3 3 1 7 7 60.43 94
48 159 3 3 1 7 7 56 101
49 16 3 4 0 7 6 63.71 101
50 358 3 4 0 7 6 61.14 74
51 233 3 4 0 7 6 61 91
52 1730 3 4 0 7 6 58.86 74
53 138 3 4 0 7 6 58.57 74
54 842 3 4 0 7 6 57.86 94
55 1811 3 4 0 7 6 57.14 90
56 2866 3 4 0 7 6 56.57 75
57 1506 3 4 0 7 6 52 74
58 1569 3 4 0 7 6 51.57 79
59 980 3 4 0 7 6 51.57 73
60 2836 3 4 0 7 6 50.86 71
61 2875 3 4 0 7 6 46.86 81
62 620 2 4 1 7 5 52.71 68
63 2702 2 4 1 7 5 47 67
64 529 2 5 0 7 4 56 73
65 1706 2 5 0 7 4 55.86 83
66 339 2 5 0 7 4 55.86 81
67 1209 2 5 0 7 4 52.71 75
68 1511 2 5 0 7 4 52.57 74
69 2783 2 5 0 7 4 52.29 71
70 1458 2 5 0 7 4 51.57 64
71 2004 2 5 0 7 4 51.29 95
72 1311 2 5 0 7 4 50.14 87
73 2067 2 5 0 7 4 48.71 65
74 2996 2 5 0 7 4 46.14 69
75 228 1 5 1 7 3 55.71 88
76 1714 1 6 0 7 2 64.43 87
77 1155 1 6 0 7 2 64.29 88
78 365 1 6 0 7 2 62.57 95
79 195 1 6 0 7 2 58.29 90
80 1547 1 6 0 7 2 54.57 72
81 177 1 6 0 7 2 54.43 63
82 1700 1 6 0 7 2 54.29 74
83 1086 1 6 0 7 2 52.43 66
84 1023 1 6 0 7 2 45.71 68
85 86 0 6 1 7 1 43.86 76
86 1557 0 7 0 7 0 59.14 75
87 2549 0 7 0 7 0 51.43 65
88 1098 0 7 0 7 0 50.86 63

If you don't like how your team did in the simulation, don't worry, OPR has only shown to be slightly better then flipping a coin this year.

[IKE]

Nice work Joe:

I am anxious to see a corelation study. As you said though, this year OPR seems to be less predictive.

Do you use a season average OPR or is it based off of last event?

[Robotinquirer]

Wow Newton is cool

How did team 33 Change from a spinner to a shooter. Theay went from a round robot too weaks ago at the Michigan event to a sq bot (did team 65 or team 68 provide the plans)?

[IKE]

Designs have been done for a long time. That is how 33 chose to try the 40 pound allowance.

There was actually a significant mod that occurred at State with the addition of a hood on the shooter.

The team then decided to try the other design that was actually inpsired by 67 (if you read all the 67 posts they did a shooter to power dumper swap just prior to their first competition).

I am not at Nationals and haven't actually seen it play. Hopefully it works out good.

[Justin Montois]

Designs have been done for a long time. That is how 33 chose to try the 40 pound allowance.

There was actually a significant mod that occurred at State with the addition of a hood on the shooter.

The team then decided to try the other design that was actually inpsired by 67 (if you read all the 67 posts they did a shooter to power dumper swap just prior to their first competition).

I am not at Nationals and haven't actually seen it play. Hopefully it works out good.

You guys pulled it off nicely. We did something similar.... ;) It was awesome playing with you guys, good luck tomorrow.

[IKE]

Thanks. I will pass it on to the team. Hopefully they have exorcised the last EE gremlin. The jags have been intersting this year.

[RoboMom]

Go Maryland!

[Athleticgirl389]

Go Gearheads!!!

I am sad that I could not join my team in Atlanta but they are doing so well and I am so proud of them.

I wish the best of luck to ALL Newton teams - lets bring home the Championship!!!! :D

[IKE]

1-1625, 234,768
2-1918,85,135
3-2377,148,126
4-2771,365,1726
5-1507,121,177
6-2970,102,33
7-1629,469,368
8-1516,1867,88

A lot of Maryland and Michigan teams. I hope the finals are 1625, 234, 768 vs. 2970,102,33. There are a lot of strong alliances here. Is there a World Champion?

[IKE]

GO 2970,102,33!!!!!!!!

[cygnus.x1]

Correction to
8-1516,1867,88

it was team 1868 The Space Cookies picked by the 8th seed, not 1867.

Should read:

8-1516,1868,88

It was a great championship!

[Chris is me]

It was a little dissapointing that 1625 and 2970 didn't get to repeat their Wisconsin showdown in the Newton Finals elimination like I was hoping for.

Newton was a pretty fun and intense division. Congratulations to all of the teams and the 5th seeded alliance!

[Buckles121]

Good job everyone. A big special thanks to 1507 for picking us.

[Mrpresident1776]

First of all, a huge congratulations to teams 67, 111 and 971! Your strategy and robots were phenomenal. Say high to the President for me!

Additionally, congratulations to teams 1918, 85 and 135. You guys had us (or at least me anyway!) sweating bullets when you beat us after Final 1-2.

We would like to thank Team 121 "the Rhode Warriors" for an awesome run! You guys were a pleasure to hang out with and even more of a pleasure to win with.
And of course, congratulations to team 177 for making to Einstein for the fourth year in a row. Team 121 said you folks were the robot to pick and they were right! Your robot was truly a dark horse and a fantastic find for our alliance!

With any luck, we'll get to play with any one of these extraordinary teams next year!

This was my last but by far favorite year. With a regional and divisional win, it was an amazing capstone to my experience as a FIRST student.
I guess now I've got to mentor!

[GODUX123]

Thanks and great job to 135, and 1918!

[flippy147852]

wow...what great elims rounds! Thanx to teams 85 and 135 for helping us get this far!

Congrats to teams 121, 177, and 1507 for beating us in a 3 rounds in some of the closest finals rounds we have ever played in.

Also, congrats to teams 67, 217, 68, and 247 for showing that Michigan is the best place for robotics.

See you all next year!!

[Tyler Hicks]

I must say, that was the most successful year we have ever had. It was the most fun I have had in a long time. Congrats to ALL teams who made it to Nationals. Thanks 85 and 135 for being our partners!

I just wish I could have rode a Segway.......:yikes:

GO NC GEARS!!!!

[1086VEX]

WOW!! now that was a great competition!!! sadly we didnt make eliminations but we had a blast none the less!!
congrats to all of the tems that competed, the volenteers, and everyone else who made Newton such an awesome division!!!!! and an extra congrats goes out to 1507, 121, and 177 for representing Newton on Einstein!!

we hope to see alot of you in Atlanta next year!!

-Alex
Blue Cheese 1086

[MOE]

HELLOoooo from the North East :D
Newton what a great division !!!!!! :yikes:
Super competition from all 88 teams. We at TJ2 Team 88 would like to say congrats and a great job of repreaenting Newton on Einstein to teams 1507, 121 and 177. Also thanks to teams 1516 and 1868 for alowing use to play with you in the elimination rounds.:yikes: We hope to see you all next year!!!!
MOE and Team 88 TJ2 TYE DYE for ever oh yeah ???? OH YEAH !!!!;)

NEWTON

[Bongle]

In case anyone is curious (we sure were, we felt we did much better than at our previous regional), here are the OPRs for the performances teams did in newton. The standard OPR disclaimer applies: just a number (especially this year), not terribly accurate, but fun to look at.

1918 48.9288
2771 45.6609
1507 44.5978
234 42.9635
85 41.3884
33 40.7013
126 40.1302
1155 39.8166
2377 38.1413
1086 37.7034
1511 37.1195
1726 36.0172
768 35.6742
135 34.6467
177 34.3459
122 34.1423
340 34.035
612 33.9604
102 33.8511
1625 33.2204
16 32.321
2970 32.0896
1714 31.576
1868 30.6139
191 30.1221
2004 29.6322
233 29.2353
1657 29.2129
1732 28.7541
2702 28.4158
1569 28.2673
195 28.0045
687 27.9103
1730 27.8457
852 27.6929
1516 27.4484
121 27.1399
846 27.0072
2659 26.9733
1138 26.648
3075 26.5191
360 25.6731
2875 25.6534
88 24.7223
358 24.7088
292 24.5124
1701 22.8747
86 22.8704
1506 22.5639
148 21.2059
1038 20.9815
364 20.3312
842 20.2605
1311 20.2225
159 19.6509
368 19.514
365 19.3699
2609 19.2656
1629 18.6917
2344 17.7662
862 17.7235
469 17.3784
339 17.2813
578 17.2777
2890 17.2272
1547 17.0087
1811 16.9954
832 16.9312
980 16.7397
2866 16.5757
228 15.9236
1706 15.3856
2067 13.6026
2549 13.5246
529 13.4448
2283 13.0475
1023 11.8608
620 11.437
1458 11.255
2783 11.0754
1350 10.8233
1557 10.5516
1700 10.5381
2836 9.40386
1209 7.47152
1098 5.29075
2996 0.930872
138 -5.51181

[BPetry234]

One last time for a senior...

Issac

[TheOtherGuy]

NEW·TON!

[JHay]

Issac

NEWTON!!!!!!!!!!!!!
:D

[Shelabot]

WHEN I SAY GO YOU SAY NEWTON! GO! NEWTON! GO! NEWTON! GO! NEWTON!
I also have to agree with others from my team, it was an honor to play with all of you down in the wonderful city of Atlanta, despite us not being picked into the finals. This was my first year down there and I hope to see as many of you as possible again next year! GO BLUE CHEESE!

[BradMello]

We all had great fun playing with and against all of the teams on Newton this year, it was awesome! :]

[Chris Fultz]

Congratulations to 1507, 121 and 177 - well done!

[233 Busman]

Despite us not making eliminations, we still had lots of fun!

I always love coming to Atlanta, because there's always your old friends and new people to meet. (Although all our friends were in Curie) :(

[Wayne TenBrink]

Congratulations to 1507, 121, and 177. It was an honor to share the crater with you. The average alliance score for our three finals matches was nearly 100, and the final match came down to just three balls. When you win or lose a blowout, you tend to forget about it and just move on. When a match is really close, you either celebrate or agonize over every little thing that happened. You got the job done!

Thanks to Team 135. It was nice to meet you folks and share some good match time.

A special thanks to Team 85. You beat us at TC. We beat you at WMD and State. We finally got to stand on the same side of the glass at Newton! Thanks for all the scouting help and sound advise all season long. You are truly gracious professionals and we hope to see you one one side of the glass or the other for many years to come.

This has been a great year for the NC Gears. It's the first time we ever had any success on the field, and thats a great ride while it lasts. Maybe we'll go back to being cannon fodder next year (I hope not!). We got to meet a lot of wonderful people and made a lot of friends. FIRST is a great community and a wonderful experience for the the students. The robots are just the common thread that ties everything together and makes all the hard work, character development, and learning fun.

Thanks again to all the folks that made FIRST in Michigan happen. I believe it represents the best future for the rest of FIRST.

[Heretic121]

WOW... all i have to say is wow... those were by far in my 6 years in FIRST the best qualifying rounds at any regional or championship i have been a part of and there have been quite a few between spectating and participating... this division definitely was the deepest from top to bottom at nationals this year...

Secondly i would like to thank several people + teams... First off team 1507 the 5th seed in Newton for picking us to join their alliance... it was quite a coincidence that we happened to be sitting right next to each other on the side of the field as the selections were in progress and it couldn't have worked out perfectly... I am beyond happy that we could come to an agreement with your team due to our heavy feelings on picking team 177 as our last piece of the puzzle...

Next i would like to thank a few groups of people... first the drive teams of our alliance 1507, 121, and 177 for being great listeners, having great incite, and putting our plan to perfect execution each and every match... without you there would be no gold sitting around my neck still right now...

Second... the scouting team of 177... you guys were amazing... having data for every team and every match throughout qualifying and even more so in eliminations bringing down the sheets from each match knowing how we did, what we did wrong, what we did right, and what our opponents did... this brings me to my next thank you...

Jesse the lead strategist from team 177... you are the best person i have ever worked with for strategy in my many years in FIRST... you made my nationals that much better of an experience by definitely lowering my stress level if that was at all even physically possible throughout the semi-finals and finals of Newton...

Next i would like to thank our opponents throughout the eliminations of Newton, making us really work for our shot to play on Einstein... The 4th seeded alliance teams 2771, 365, and 1726.... The 1st seeded alliance teams 1625, 234, and 768... and of course finalists teams 1918, 85, and 135... thank you all for your very hard fought battles, you definitely made me + Jesse's life as strategists very very difficult and i wouldn't have wanted it any other way...

Second to last i would like to apologize to all of the Newton division for not being able to bring home the world championship to our field, but gave it our all out there representing our great division...

Last but not least... i would like to congratulate teams 111, 67, and 971 for giving us our first taste of what Einstein is all about and i could not be happier to lose to an amazing alliance than i ever have before... and congrats on winning it all i wouldn't have wished it to happen any other way... we now know what we have to do to step up our game and win it all and can't wait till we can play with or against you all next year down in ATL...

[kulisb]

It's been a few days since the Atlanta, and the excitement of the Championship event has yet to wear out! As I had hoped, Newton was an awesome division to be a part of, absolutely stacked with quality teams and robots.

I'd like to thank team 1507 for leading us to Einstein as alliance captain. As soon as you picked us, we knew we would go far together. In 9 years, this was my first time on Einstein. Thanks for putting together the right team to make that happen!

177, it was great to finally get to work together instead of against you. We seem to always be up against your great strategy and stifling defense, and it was a relief to be on your side this time around. Plus, it's always nice to win with good friends from the Northeast! Between your amazing drivers, human player, coach, and strategy team, you turned out to be a better teammate than we could ever have imagined.

Also, excellent job to the rest of our division on making up such a strong field. I have never been part of more exciting elimination matches. Those SF and Final matches against 1625, 234, 768, 1918, 85, and 135 that went to 3 matches were almost too nerve-wracking to watch!

Also, I want to give a quick shout out to teams 1155 and 16. You, as well as some others, stood out as dominant teams all weekend, and were certainly on the top of our list. We were absolutely shocked to see that you were not chosen as alliance partners. We saw what 1155 could do in CT, and we know that you would have been an incredible addition to any alliance. Your dominance throughout the competition was definitely noticed by some!

I, for one, am already looking forward to next year. Hopefully we see some of you at offseason competitions. To those we don't, congratulations on a successful season, and hopefully we will all meet up again!

Brad

[Kit Gerhart]

This was not one of our better years, competition-wise, and may have been the first time in the team's history that we were not in the elimination rounds. Still, we had a great time in Atlanta. The competition on Newton was intense, and the 1507-121-177 alliance represented us well on Einstein.

My most vivid memory of Team 121, Rhode Warriors is still from 1998, when they were runners-up to Team 45, TechnoKats, which I was with at the time. That was the last year without alliances, so being with the last "solo" winning team of the Championship is still one of the high points of my life.

Team 233 may be at IRI, but we don't yet know if we can work out the logistics. Also, our being invited is less certain than the last couple years. In any case, I, personally, will be at IRI, and hope to see some of you.

[flippy147852]

Maybe we'll go back to being cannon fodder next year (I hope not!).



Wayne!!!! Don't Jynx us!!

[MrForbes]

I think you'll go on to great things, your team now understands what it takes to succeed

[Chris is me]

Twas a hell of a division and a great way to end the best season I've ever had in FIRST.

First of all I'd like to thank all of our alliance partners, in particular teams 2970, 1629, and 2836. We would not have won our respective qualifiers with your help. 1629's defensive offensive bot was really underrated and without their scoring we would have lost the match. 2970 was a massive scoring partner that rivaled 1625, and definitely tipped the match in our favor. 2836 is a defensive behemoth, I'll be looking toward your team in future seasons simply because you guys have very intelligent drivers who can do exactly what is needed. Also because you had the best pit display ever put up by a rookie. Robot on a spinning turntable? Awesome!

Okay, 2970, I just found it really awesome that this unheard-of team were the leaders of an alliance with legendary teams like 33 and 102. Please be at IRI.

Congratulations to the Newton Alliance! 121, 177, and 1507 was a great alliance in general and upset all the way down the line through smart play. Any alliance can win any match with the right strategy, and you guys definitely proved that.

Now if 2970 went with Code Red Robotics... the alliance selection would have been different. 8th seed would have likely been 1714 / 1726 / 16. How would this have worked ?

[IKE]

This was not one of our better years, competition-wise, and may have been the first time in the team's history that we were not in the elimination rounds.

From the stats I have heard, it is true that this is the first time since the alliance years began. I would blame it on the lack of hot pink on the robot this year. More pinker is more betterer.:p (I think the lack of neon green on the thunderchickens actually helped them qualify higher and be a captain more often this year, but that is purely wild speculation).

DEAR GDC,

Please design next years game so that PINK can be PINK, and Thunderchickens can be Thunderchicken green. Also the BEES and Rush would like to place goldenrod yellow off of the list of targeted colors.

How about a Tie-die taret or one with flames. Both those teams are champions and Chairman winners. they can just coast for a year. :p

[Tyler Hicks]

It was a great year for the NC Gears!

[ShotgunNinja]

On behalf of Team 2970, my "other team", I'd like to say thank you to everyone else who competed on Newton. You gave us some great memories and fantastic matches. Though we didn't make it to Einstein, for a rookie team, we went incredibly far. So thanks again.

P.S.- Hope to see everyone next year when I start mentoring through Milwaukee School of Engineering's MFSO organization! See you at the U.S. Cellular Arena, all you Midwesterners!

[ShotgunNinja]

First of all I'd like to thank all of our alliance partners, in particular teams 2970, 1629, and 2836. We would not have won our respective qualifiers with your help. 1629's defensive offensive bot was really underrated and without their scoring we would have lost the match. 2970 was a massive scoring partner that rivaled 1625, and definitely tipped the match in our favor. 2836 is a defensive behemoth, I'll be looking toward your team in future seasons simply because you guys have very intelligent drivers who can do exactly what is needed. Also because you had the best pit display ever put up by a rookie. Robot on a spinning turntable? Awesome!

Okay, 2970, I just found it really awesome that this unheard-of team were the leaders of an alliance with legendary teams like 33 and 102. Please be at IRI.

Congratulations to the Newton Alliance! 121, 177, and 1507 was a great alliance in general and upset all the way down the line through smart play. Any alliance can win any match with the right strategy, and you guys definitely proved that.

Now if 2970 went with Code Red Robotics... the alliance selection would have been different. 8th seed would have likely been 1714 / 1726 / 16. How would this have worked ?

From 2970: We are trying to go to IRI, along with 2970's "big brother" team, the Lakeview Legends "Robot Mafia", 1652.

Also: I, along with most of our team, agree with you on Code Red, and the fact was, we kinda skimped on scouting at the last second, hence almost being late for Alliance Selection, and somehow we didn't really have a second pick lined up. I believe that our alliance that we did pick was incredible as far as alliances go (and a big heads up to the Killer Bees, you were awesome, guys) and yes, it would have been very interesting to see how Code Red would have factored into our alliance.

And thanks to everyone else! :D

[#2970-tim]

From 2970: We are trying to go to IRI, along with 2970's "big brother" team, the Lakeview Legends "Robot Mafia", 1652.

Also: I, along with most of our team, agree with you on Code Red, and the fact was, we kinda skimped on scouting at the last second, hence almost being late for Alliance Selection, and somehow we didn't really have a second pick lined up. I believe that our alliance that we did pick was incredible as far as alliances go (and a big heads up to the Killer Bees, you were awesome, guys) and yes, it would have been very interesting to see how Code Red would have factored into our alliance.

And thanks to everyone else! :D

Nick, Robot Mafia( 1625) is NOT our so called "big brother" team.

[Aren_Hill]

Nick, Robot Mafia( 1625) is NOT our so called "big brother" team.

And our names not Robot Mafia lol, i believe your saying 1652

[ShotgunNinja]

Nick, Robot Mafia( 1625) is NOT our so called "big brother" team.

Of course not.

Robot Mafia (1652) is our Mentoring team. How could I forget. :rolleyes: Although there was a bit of coldness between the teams...