Registration 2010

[Mark McLeod]

It's like TIMS suddenly hit a brick wall at noon...

[Rosiebotboss]

Server crash???

[Rich Kressly]

slllllllllow here and I had such high hopes after last year...
edit...not too bad .... all done at 12:13 ... Philly for us

[KathieK]

Just got an e-mail from a rookie team saying "it's not working for us here..." and I don't know how to help them since I don't have access to TIMS.

[Mike Martus]

Team 51 the combined team of Team 47 and team 65 are registered for:

Kettering University and Wayne State (Detroit).

All went smooth......

[JohnBoucher]

Don't see Championship as an option. Reading the criteria I should.

[wendymom]

Exploding Bacon officially registered for the Florida Regional at 12:13pm!! WAHOO

[Ken Streeter]

It's like TIMS suddenly hit a brick wall at noon... Server appears to have been up continuously -- it just got really overloaded right at noon....

As of 12:15, BAE Granite State Regional has 28 teams registered, and 10 open slots remaining -- it was the first to fill up last year, wonder if it will be again?

[yodameister]

12:17...GSR is filled with 38

[Ken Streeter]

Server appears to have been up continuously -- it just got really overloaded right at noon....

As of 12:15, BAE Granite State Regional has 28 teams registered, and 10 open slots remaining -- it was the first to fill up last year, wonder if it will be again?

BAE Granite State Regional just filled up for open registration as of 12:18pm -- 38 teams registered, open capacity is 0.

Glad to see a couple international teams this year!

Who's in at the BAE Granite State Regional:
20
40
58
78
126
131
134
138
156
166
238
241
319
501
562
811
885
1058
1073
1100
1277
1289
1307
1493
1512
1517
1519
1547
1721
1729
1749
1831
1922
2342
2386
3074
3126
3132

[Mark McLeod]

Kettering & Detroit are full too.

[WCarvalho]

Registration opened up right at 9:00AM here on the West Coast. I had visions of someone in NH watching the atomic clock, waiting to throw the switch. We're looking forward to seeing a lot of friends at Silicon Valley.

[JohnBoucher]

Surprised WPI only has 9 so far

[Travis Hoffman]

48 is registered for North Carolina! Boogity, boogity, boogity.

I also see a couple of *notable* Canadian teams will be attending Pittsburgh this year.

[JB987]

Does anybody out there know anything about the new Utah Regional that has been billed as a "mini regional"...is it mini because of a small number of teams or because it is only a two day event...or both???

[Jon Jack]

Does anybody out there know anything about the new Utah Regional that has been billed as a "mini regional"...is it mini because of a small number of teams or because it is only a two day event...or both???

Where do you see it being billed as a mini-regional? FIRST has it listed as a 3 day event, so it's not going to be a two day event...

[ehochstein]

2470 is registered for the 10,000 Lakes Regional!!!

[Akash Rastogi]

We're all set for Boston!:D

[jspatz1]

Yes, response was slow (11:58 TO 12:15) but we did get through the registration with no problems. Obviously there is heavy traffic so slow reesponse is to be expected. Just must be very patient and wait for response.

[Pjohn1959]

It's like TIMS suddenly hit a brick wall at noon...

That's what I saw. Took about 15 minutes to register. About the same as last year.

Big D here we come...:)

[Mark McLeod]

West Michigan District was also filled by 1:00pm

[Jessica Boucher]

I miss the interface for seeing the numbers for each event on one page - does anyone have a direct link for that?

[JohnBoucher]

I emailed frcteams@usfirst.org twice while I was registering. They were very prompt and monitoring how TIMS was working. Thanks FIRST Support :)

[Mark McLeod]

Here's the list as of 2 o'clock
624 teams have registered.
(NOTE: some district event #'s are as of the next morning -Oct. 2, 8am)


Capacity Week 1 (Mar 4-6) as of 2:00, Oct 1
42 San Diego Regional 11
54 Washington DC Regional 16
38 Peachtree Regional 12
38 Bayou Regional 3
54 Greater Kansas City Regional 22
38 BAE Granite State Regional 38 (full)
30 Finger Lakes Regional 17
54 Autodesk Oregon Regional 10
53 New Jersey Regional (Mar 5-7) 18
25 Traverse City District 18
25 Kettering Univ. District 25 (full)

Week 2 (Mar 11-13)
54 Arizona Regional 3
54 Florida Regional 22
26 WPI Regional 9
54 Chesapeake Regional 6
53 Wisconsin Regional 19
54 New York City Regional (Mar 12-14) 9
29 Pittsburgh Regional (Mar 12-13) 9
25 Cass Tech District 21
25 Ann Arbor District 17
60 Israel Regional (Mar 14-16) 1

Week 3 (Mar 18-20)
42 Silicon Valley Regional 25
44 Midwest Regional 24
30 Boilermaker Regional 16
54 St. Louis Regional 2
40 Dallas Regional 6
20 (dates TBD) Utah Regional 11
54 Virginia Regional (formerly NASA/VCU) 12
25 Detroit District 25 (full)
25 West Michigan District 25 (full)

Week 4 (Mar 25-27)
20 Waterloo Regional 5
50 Los Angeles Regional 12
38 Colorado Regional 5
30 Hawaii Regional 1
43 Boston Regional 34
37 SBPLI Long Island Regional 30
50 Buckeye Regional 10
55 Oklahoma Regional 35
34 Philadelphia Regional 20
36 Palmetto Regional 8
? Microsoft Seattle Regional Registration not opened
25 Troy District 21

Week 5 (Apr 1-3)
35 Sacramento Regional (Mar 31-Apr 1) 2
54 Greater Toronto Regional 1
50 Connecticut Regional 18
50 Minnesota North Star Regional 8
50 Minnesota 10000 Lakes Regional 8
30 North Carolina Regional 8
41 Las Vegas Regional 3
54 Lone Star Regional 11
? Michigan State Championship Registration not opened

[roborat]

Will be interesting to see what happens in Pittsburgh with it being a two day event.

[Ericgehrken]

3125's registration went smoothly!!
We are all signed up for the Connecticut Regional!!

Does anybody know what the lowest team number for rookies was given out this year?

[Jim Schaddelee]

West Michigan is full with only 25 teams ? whats up with that. In that great venue at GVSU they should be able to host at least 40. just my 2 cents:ahh:

[Doug G]

Registration opened up right at 9:00AM here on the West Coast. I had visions of someone in NH watching the atomic clock, waiting to throw the switch. We're looking forward to seeing a lot of friends at Silicon Valley.

701 is coming back to SVR after a 5 year absence - it should be exciting!

[BrendanB]

West Michigan is full with only 25 teams ? whats up with that. In that great venue at GVSU they should be able to host at least 40. just my 2 cents:ahh:

They keep at around 10 slots open for rookie teams who might have registered late. I can see at least 2 more rookies coming to GSR before they let 8 teams attend off of the waiting list.

[robodude03]

Team 399 has just signed up for the Arizona Regional. Everything went smooth in terms of signing up through TIMS.

[SuperJake]

Team 61 is set and ready for Boston!

[Phoenix Spud]

Team 3132 from Sydney Australia will be attending GSR!

[Mr MOE]

MOE 365 is registered for Philly and the Championship Event. Similar experience to others. Took about 15-20 minutes for both.

[ATannahill]

3125's registration went smoothly!!
We are all signed up for the Connecticut Regional!!

Does anybody know what the lowest team number for rookies was given out this year?

According to Bill's Blog it should start at 3130.

Edit: seems it starts at 3123.

[ATannahill]

So, uh, Pat when are you updating the event code list on frclinks.com?

4:49 750 teams registered.

[David Brinza]

Team 980 registered for the Los Angeles Regional in less than 5 minutes (~9:15 am PDT). TIMS seemed to work perfectly, good job FIRST!!

[Ed Law]

Hi,

Watch out for the Michigan district event numbers, some of the links are wrong, some are linked to 2009 events which is why they say full 40 out of 40. They are only opening up 25 slots from each district event for now to allow rookie teams to go to where they want to go.

Sincerely,

Ed

Here's the list as of 2 o'clock
624 teams have registered.


Capacity Week 1 (Mar 4-6) as of 2:00, Oct 1
42 San Diego Regional 11
54 Washington DC Regional 16
38 Peachtree Regional 12
38 Bayou Regional 3
54 Greater Kansas City Regional 22
38 BAE Granite State Regional 38 (full)
30 Finger Lakes Regional 17
54 Autodesk Oregon Regional 10
53 New Jersey Regional (Mar 5-7) 18
40 Traverse City District 18
40 Kettering Univ. District 40 (full)

Week 2 (Mar 11-13)
54 Arizona Regional 3
54 Florida Regional 22
26 WPI Regional 9
54 Chesapeake Regional 6
53 Wisconsin Regional 19
54 New York City Regional (Mar 12-14) 9
29 Pittsburgh Regional (Mar 12-13) 9
40 Cass Tech District 40 (full)
40 Ann Arbor District 17
60 Israel Regional (Mar 14-16) 1

Week 3 (Mar 18-20)
42 Silicon Valley Regional 25
44 Midwest Regional 24
30 Boilermaker Regional 16
54 St. Louis Regional 2
40 Dallas Regional 6
20 (dates TBD) Utah Regional 11
54 Virginia Regional (formerly NASA/VCU) 12
40 Detroit District 40 (full)
25 West Michigan District 25 (full)

Week 4 (Mar 25-27)
20 Waterloo Regional 5
50 Los Angeles Regional 12
38 Colorado Regional 5
30 Hawaii Regional 1
43 Boston Regional 34
37 SBPLI Long Island Regional 30
50 Buckeye Regional 10
55 Oklahoma Regional 35
34 Philadelphia Regional 20
36 Palmetto Regional 8
? Microsoft Seattle Regional Registration not opened
40 Troy District 40 (full)

Week 5 (Apr 1-3)
35 Sacramento Regional (Mar 31-Apr 1) 2
54 Greater Toronto Regional 1
50 Connecticut Regional 18
50 Minnesota North Star Regional 8
50 Minnesota 10000 Lakes Regional 8
30 North Carolina Regional 8
41 Las Vegas Regional 3
54 Lone Star Regional 11
? Michigan State Championship Registration not opened

[Billfred]

Both 1398 and 2815 have registered for Bayou. Neither team's main contacts let loose any anguished screams loud enough to hear from where I was at noon, so I assume it went well enough.

[Ted Weisse]

Team 1716 is going to Wisconsin Regional again. Hope to see you all there.

Ted

[preussrobotics]

Team 3170 will be going to the Phoenix Regional. woot, woot!

[Akash Rastogi]

Team 3170 will be going to the Phoenix Regional. woot, woot!

*cough* rookie powerhouse *cough* totally calling it *cough*

:p :D Best of luck to you guys!

[Sunbun]

Last year's highest team number was 3122. This year's team numbers are 3123 and up...

Bill said 3130 and up.

Just something I noticed.

[JB987]

Where do you see it being billed as a mini-regional? FIRST has it listed as a 3 day event, so it's not going to be a two day event...

Reference to "mini-regional" came from contact in NASA and couple of other inside sources in the past month. I shouldn't have used "billed"...should have said a mention was made...Yes the registration shows 3 day event, but note that the "TBD" is still attached. Might that mean a final decision hasn't been made about duration?

[BHS Bucs]

It's a bummer - both coaches were teaching at noon, so no GSR for us this year. Bucs #2621 is registered for WPI instead. Since I was part of #190 in high school, I guess it's like coming home... :)

[Karibou]

1189 will be at Traverse City and Detroit this year.

I'm very excited for Traverse City, it means that we finally get to travel again [:

[rulesall2]

Team 2791, Terminal Velocity has decided, after an intense debate to attend the WPI regional. Our second regional is undecided, but will hopefully by Philadelphia or Waterloo. See you guys there. (And for all you finger lakers, we'll miss you. Great time last year!!!)

[Mark McLeod]

Watch out for the Michigan district event numbers, some of the links are wrong, some are linked to 2009 events which is why they say full 40 out of 40. They are only opening up 25 slots from each district event for now to allow rookie teams to go to where they want to go.

Thanks Ed.

I fixed those numbers.
Cass Tech & Troy are not yet filled. (Oct 2 9:00am)

[Mark McLeod]

as of Oct. 2, 8am
837 teams registered.


Capacity Week 1 (Mar 4-6) as of 8:00am, Oct 2
42 San Diego Regional 18
54 Washington DC Regional 27
38 Peachtree Regional 17
38 Bayou Regional 7
54 Greater Kansas City Regional 32
38 BAE Granite State Regional 38 (full)
30 Finger Lakes Regional 22
54 Autodesk Oregon Regional 24
53 New Jersey Regional (Mar 5-7) 21
25 Traverse City District 21
25 Kettering Univ. District 25 (full)

Week 2 (Mar 11-13)
54 Arizona Regional 11
54 Florida Regional 32
26 WPI Regional 15
54 Chesapeake Regional 8
53 Wisconsin Regional 24
54 New York City Regional (Mar 12-14) 15
29 Pittsburgh Regional (Mar 12-13) 12
25 Cass Tech District 21
25 Ann Arbor District 22
60 Israel Regional (Mar 14-16) 1

Week 3 (Mar 18-20)
42 Silicon Valley Regional 33
44 Midwest Regional 31
30 Boilermaker Regional 21
54 St. Louis Regional 3
40 Dallas Regional 8
20 (dates TBD) Utah Regional 13
54 Virginia Regional (formerly NASA/VCU) 16
25 Detroit District 25 (full)
25 West Michigan District 25 (full)

Week 4 (Mar 25-27)
20 Waterloo Regional 7
50 Los Angeles Regional 18
38 Colorado Regional 9
30 Hawaii Regional 5
43 Boston Regional 41
37 SBPLI Long Island Regional 36
50 Buckeye Regional 18
55 Oklahoma Regional 45
34 Philadelphia Regional 27
36 Palmetto Regional 12
? Microsoft Seattle Regional Registration not opened
25 Troy District 21

Week 5 (Apr 1-3)
35 Sacramento Regional (Mar 31-Apr 1) 5
54 Greater Toronto Regional 7
50 Connecticut Regional 21
50 Minnesota North Star Regional 13
50 Minnesota 10000 Lakes Regional 11
30 North Carolina Regional 11
41 Las Vegas Regional 5
54 Lone Star Regional 16
? Michigan State Championship Registration not opened

[Mark McLeod]

900 teams registered

SBPLI is now full

[Trent B]

Last year's highest team number was 3122. This year's team numbers are 3123 and up...

Bill said 3130 and up.

Just something I noticed.

They make a split so say for reference team 7xx breaks up, quits for a few years and later they want to recreate the team due to a budget change at school or something. Based on requirements for new numbers, they leave gaps so the new team could be like 8xx, or if that doesnt work 9xxx, 1xxx or 2xxx the split allows a team that goes apart and when they come back together are required to get a new number to get one close.

Sorta like how chief delphi merged with 63 and has 51 as their new number
http://www.usfirst.org/uploadedFiles/Community/FRC/Game_and_Season__Info/2010_Assets/2010%20FRC%20Team%20Separations%20and%20combines%2 0for%20web%20posting.pdf that is what causes these things

[Pat Fairbank]

So, uh, Pat when are you updating the event code list on frclinks.com?.
Oh... yeah... whoops. :)

Thanks for the reminder. It's done.

[Mark McLeod]

Cass Tech District open capacity is now filled

[ATannahill]

Do we know what is going on with Microsoft Seattle Regional?

[Ryan Simpson]

Do we know what is going on with Microsoft Seattle Regional?

It is only open to Washington teams during the 1st event registration period. There is a large number of new teams in Washington, and they are required to sign up for the Seattle event as a 1st choice because of grants they received.

This thread should explain it some more:
http://www.chiefdelphi.com/forums/showthread.php?t=78485

[ATannahill]

It is only open to Washington teams during the 1st event registration period. There is a large number of new teams in Washington, and they are required to sign up for the Seattle event as a 1st choice because of grants they received.

This thread should explain it some more:
http://www.chiefdelphi.com/forums/showthread.php?t=78485
I understand the intent but right now there are no teams registered for it. It is also listed as having 0 capacity.

[Sunbun]

They make a split so say for reference team 7xx breaks up, quits for a few years and later they want to recreate the team due to a budget change at school or something. Based on requirements for new numbers, they leave gaps so the new team could be like 8xx, or if that doesnt work 9xxx, 1xxx or 2xxx the split allows a team that goes apart and when they come back together are required to get a new number to get one close.

Sorta like how chief delphi merged with 63 and has 51 as their new number
http://www.usfirst.org/uploadedFiles/Community/FRC/Game_and_Season__Info/2010_Assets/2010%20FRC%20Team%20Separations%20and%20combines%2 0for%20web%20posting.pdf that is what causes these things

I see, but they didn't leave a gap between 3122, the highest 2009 rookie number, and 3123, the lowest 2010 rookie number, as they did in previous years...

What team number would future "2009" rookie teams have? 2700-something?

[GaryVoshol]

They left a small gap between 2009 and 2010 number series. However there's a lot of numbers at the low end of 2009 that weren't used, and could be used at a later date for team splits, etc.


Teams #1-#208 were rookies in or before 1998 (this is due to FIRST giving teams new numbers every year previously).
Teams #209-#335 were rookies in 1999.
Teams #336-#491 were rookies in 2000.
Teams #492-#716 were rookies in 2001.
Teams #717-#999 were rookies in 2002
Teams #1000-#1238 were rookies in 2003.
Teams #1239-#1497 were rookies in 2004.
Teams #1498-#1709 were rookies in 2005.
Teams #1710-#1980 were rookies in 2006.
Teams #1981-#2287 were rookies in 2007.
Teams #2330-#2681 were rookies in 2008.
Teams #2702-#3122 were rookies in 2009 (no even numbers between 2702 and 2826).
Teams #3130-xxxx were rookies in 2010.

[Joe Ross]

They left a small gap between 2009 and 2010 number series. However there's a lot of numbers at the low end of 2009 that weren't used, and could be used at a later date for team splits, etc.


Teams #2702-#3122 were rookies in 2009 (no even numbers between 2702 and 2826).
Teams #3130-xxxx were rookies in 2010.


3123-3129 are all 2010 rookies. See 3123, for example (https://my.usfirst.org/myarea/index.lasso?page=team_details&tpid=35155).

Bill's Blog said they were going to leave a gap from 3123 to 3129, but it looks like they didn't. That was Sunny's point.

[Ryan Simpson]

The Boston Regional is also full now.

[Karibou]

3123-3129 are all 2010 rookies. See 3123, for example (https://my.usfirst.org/myarea/index.lasso?page=team_details&tpid=35155).

Bill's Blog said they were going to leave a gap from 3123 to 3129, but it looks like they didn't. That was Sunny's point.

Could that be due to the "no even numbers between 2702 and 2826" thing?

[ATannahill]

Could that be due to the "no even numbers between 2702 and 2826" thing?
It still would have been nice to have a buffer, last year we knew 2700 and up were rookies. I believe 2008 had 2400 and up. 3123 is a weird place to start.

[Madison]

I understand the intent but right now there are no teams registered for it. It is also listed as having 0 capacity.

Teams from WA join the waitlist for the event and will be entered into the event manually.

[GaryVoshol]

Bill's Blog said they were going to leave a gap from 3123 to 3129, but it looks like they didn't.Ah, thanks, I will change my records. I only posted what Bill's Blog said was going to happen. I didn't check it. Which by the way would be much harder to do this year because you can't simply change a url to insert the team number as you could in the past.

[Chris is me]

Ah, thanks, I will change my records. I only posted what Bill's Blog said was going to happen. I didn't check it. Which by the way would be much harder to do this year because you can't simply change a url to insert the team number as you could in the past.

For the time being, frclinks has been working and gets you even the next event they're signed up for. I've been using it to determine what teams are signed up for what events.

[Josh Fox]

Team RUSH will be attending the Kettering and Detroit Districts this year.

[Mark McLeod]

Traverse City & Troy Districts are now at published capacity.
(with the caveat of course that 15 slots were held back for each district event and will open up later)

60 rookie teams have eagerly registered.

[Mark McLeod]

1000 teams on the registered list (in half the time it took last year)
64 of them rookies (plus new teams 51 & 78)

Note: This count doesn't include any Washington state teams who have registered for the Seattle Regional. They haven't yet been entered on the official FRC rolls.

Ann Arbor District is now at initial capacity.

[Jared Russell]

1000 teams on the registered list (in half the time it took last year)
64 of them rookies (plus new teams 51 & 78)

Note: This count doesn't include any Washington state teams who have registered for the Seattle Regional. They haven't yet been entered on the official FRC rolls.

Ann Arbor District is now at initial capacity.

I know about 47+65=51, but what is the story behind 78?

[Steve Kaneb]

I know about 47+65=51, but what is the story behind 78?

http://www.chiefdelphi.com/forums/showthread.php?t=78494

The facilities, several of the mentors, and (I think) most of the students return from 121 to this year's team 78, AIR Strike.

[Mark McLeod]

Finger Lakes is at opened capacity

68 rookies + new teams: 51, 78, 1749, 1754, 1762, 2704, 2706

Three resurrected veterans last played 3 years ago (teams 1695, 1863 & 3171(aka 1019))
One resurrected veteran last played 2 years ago (team 2566)

One "NH Veteran Test Team" (team 156) :yikes:

[Mark McLeod]

Silicon Valley Regional was filled this morning
1066 teams registered plus the waitlisted teams for Seattle and a couple of other full Regionals.
80 "new" teams, including team 2000 and the others listed in my previous post.

[delsaner]

1676 will be going to New Jersey (of course :) )

As for our other regional, I am predicting we will be going to VA, but we are still considering NYC.

[Mark McLeod]

88 "new" teams, including 9 non-rookies.
One school that's been out 4-years has returned to play again, six altogether.
A team from Australia and another new team from Mexico.

Boilermaker is now at initial capacity.

It's been a week since registration opened.
13 events are at initial capacity, several others only have one or two open slots.
Events in red are full.


Open slots Initial Capacity Week 1 (Mar 4-6) # teams
12 42 San Diego Regional 30
20 54 Washington DC Regional 34
14 38 Peachtree Regional 24
29 38 Bayou Regional 9
15 54 Greater Kansas City Regional 39
0 38 BAE Granite State Regional 38
0 30 Finger Lakes Regional 30
25 54 Autodesk Oregon Regional 29
17 53 New Jersey Regional (Mar 5-7) 36
0 25 Traverse City District 25
0 25 Kettering Univ. District 25
Week 2 (Mar 11-13)
31 54 Arizona Regional 23
15 54 Florida Regional 39
9 26 WPI Regional 17
43 54 Chesapeake Regional 11
23 53 Wisconsin Regional 30
23 54 New York City Regional (Mar 12-14) 31
14 29 Pittsburgh Regional (Mar 12-13) 15
0 25 Cass Tech District 25
0 25 Ann Arbor District 25
56 60 Israel Regional (Mar 14-16) 4
Week 3 (Mar 18-20)
0 42 Silicon Valley Regional 42
7 44 Midwest Regional 37
0 30 Boilermaker Regional 30
45 54 St. Louis Regional 9
24 40 Dallas Regional 16
5 20 Utah Regional 15
27 54 Virginia Regional (formerly NASA/VCU) 27
0 25 Detroit District 25
0 25 West Michigan District 25
Week 4 (Mar 25-27)
9 20 Waterloo Regional 11
25 50 Los Angeles Regional 25
24 38 Colorado Regional 14
22 30 Hawaii Regional 8
0 43 Boston Regional 43
0 37 SBPLI Long Island Regional 37
28 50 Buckeye Regional 22
2 54 Oklahoma Regional 52
1 34 Philadelphia Regional 33
23 36 Palmetto Regional 13
64 Restricted to WA Microsoft Seattle Regional
0 25 Troy District 25
Week 5 (Apr 1-3)
27 35 Sacramento Regional (Mar 31-Apr 1) 8
39 54 Greater Toronto Regional 15
25 50 Connecticut Regional 25
29 50 Minnesota 10000 Lakes Regional 21
30 50 Minnesota North Star Regional 20
13 30 North Carolina Regional 17
33 41 Las Vegas Regional 8
33 54 Lone Star Regional 21
64 Restricted to MI Michigan State Championship


Here's a snaphot of how this year matches up with last year and the year before a week after registration opened.
11.5% better than last year at this time.

[Mark McLeod]

Philly is full

[rees2001]

Finger Lakes is at opened capacity

Finger Lakes Capacity upped to 40. Now at 31/40

[Mr.G]

That sucks that all the Michigan events are full.....We were hoping to get a third event for $500....Looks like no one is going to have a chance at that.

[Mark McLeod]

It's not as bad as it looks for the District events. The initial capacity they've opened up for registration has been filled, but each district has held back 15 slots to allow rookie teams, who typically register later, to get in too.
Unused slots will be turned back to general registration later and you'll have an opportunity to register for a third district event.

Finger Lakes, as an example, looked like it had reserved 20 slots for some reason, before releasing 10 more a few days ago. But based on last year's final registration of 50, they still have 10 slots held back.

[Mark McLeod]

Seattle has finally listed 39 teams registered there.

Up to 1250 teams registered now, about a week ahead of last year's pace.
Already at 75% of the total teams last year.

[Mark McLeod]

The Utah Regional upped their open capacity by 10 more teams.
Similar to what happen with Finger Lakes.

I imagine we'll see more of those capacity increases pretty soon.

Just about at the 80% mark of teams registered last year.
1337 leet!

[Mark McLeod]

DC is now at published capacity.
(3:30pm - Midwest has filled too)
(9am,Oct 22 - Peachtree is full)
(Oklahoma has just one initial slot open)
All three have probably at least 10 slots held in reserve for late registering rookies and waitlist teams that may add on after today, so don't be shy about signing up, even though it looks full right now.

Waitlist teams in Michigan have been moved off the district waitlists.
Expect to see these top out at 40 teams each.
Kettering: 33
Traverse: 33
Ann Arbor: 29
Cass Tech: 26
W. Mi.: 37
Detroit: 28
Troy: 32

Boilermaker add one team off the waitlist.
Boston dropped one, then added one.


Over 1400 teams now (1402).

Registration is ahead of last year at this same time (~9%), but not by last year's margin over the year before that (~15%).

Should have a healthy increase before 2nd regional registration opens tomorrow. Of course after 2nd registration, open capacity will quickly fill up and we won't be able to see where the waitlists stand.

Here are some stats on the eve of the second registration rush.
Some region codes are left to the reader to figure out what country they belong to. :p

Missing from the 2009 Season
TX 43
IS 37
CA 29
NY 26
ON 24
MN 19
MI 18
MO 17
AZ 15
OH 14
CO 12
MA 12
PA 11
HI 10
FL 9
LA 9
VA 9
DC 8
NV 8
OK 7
WA 7
GA 6
KS 6
NJ 6
NH 5
OR 5
IL 4
MD 4
CT 3
IN 3
SC 3
AL 2
BC 2
ID 2
ME 2
NC 2
ND 2
NM 2
QC 2
WI 2
AB 1
AK 1
IA 1
KY 1
MS 1
MT 1
MX 1
PL 1
RI 1
TN 1
UK 1
UT 1
VT 1
WV 1
WY 1

New Teams Gained
Australia 1
DC 1
KS 1
LA 1
MT 1
MX 1
ON 1
QC 1
WI 1
AL 2
CO 2
GA 2
ID 2
IS 2
MD 2
NH 2
NV 2
PA 2
TX 2
MO 3
NC 3
AZ 4
FL 4
IL 4
MA 4
NJ 4
TN 4
VA 4
IN 5
MI 5
OR 5
CT 6
MN 6
NY 7
CA 8
OH 8
UT 8
OK 9
WA 9

Currently Registered
CA 125
MI 121
NY 103
MN 68
NJ 59
VA 54
WA 51
OK 50
TX 50
IL 46
MA 44
PA 39
FL 37
MO 37
CT 36
OH 35
ON 34
IN 32
OR 28
WI 28
AZ 26
GA 24
MD 24
NH 24
CO 23
SC 20
KS 16
HI 14
IS 12
NC 12
UT 12
MS 10
TN 10
ID 9
DC 8
LA 8
NV 8
AL 7
PR 7
BR 6
ME 5
MT 5
KY 3
ND 3
WV 3
AK 2
DE 2
IA 2
MX 2
NM 2
QC 2
RI 2
UK 2
VT 2
AR 1
Australia 1
Brazil 1
Chile 1
GE 1
Netherlands 1
TK 1
WY 1



Here's where the Regionals stand as of 9am before 2nd Registration opens at noon. I added an estimate of the unpublished full capacity based purely on last year's attendance (and Philly's last time at Drexel). Traditionally, FIRST makes events hold back 10 slots, but that varies if they expect explosive growth in rookies in a particular area. In my experience these capacity totals are not absolute. Some venues can squeeze in a few more if push comes to shove, but that's completely at the discretion of each Regional Director and FIRST HQ and how the event furniture can be rearranged.
Red simply indicates that the event has reached it's initial published capacity.

Estimated Estimated Original Teams
Full Remaining Advertised Regional registered
Capacity Capacity Capacity 10/22/2009
Week 1 (Mar 4-6)
44 10 42 San Diego Regional 34
65 21 44 Washington DC Regional 44
48 10 38 Peachtree Regional 38
44 29 38 Bayou Regional 15
61 15 54 Greater Kansas City Regional 46
48 10 38 BAE Granite State Regional 38
50 16 20+10 Finger Lakes Regional 34
60 23 54 Autodesk Oregon Regional 37
61 18 53 New Jersey Regional (Mar 5-7) 43
40 7 25 Traverse City District 33
40 7 25 Kettering Univ. District 33
Week 2 (Mar 11-13)
54 22 54 Arizona Regional 32
64 20 54 Florida Regional 44
30 10 26 WPI Regional 20
64 51 54 Chesapeake Regional 13
55 23 53 Wisconsin Regional 32
66 19 54 New York City Regional (Mar 12-14) 47
38 20 29 Pittsburgh Regional (Mar 12-13) 18
40 14 25 Cass Tech District 26
40 10 25 Ann Arbor District 30
60 47 60 Israel Regional (Mar 14-16) 13
Week 3 (Mar 18-20)
47 4 42 Silicon Valley Regional 43
54 10 44 Midwest Regional 44
35 4 30 Boilermaker Regional 31
64 52 54 St. Louis Regional 12
54 32 40 Dallas Regional 22
30 5 20+10 Utah Regional 25
60 21 54 Virginia Regional (formerly NASA/VCU) 39
40 12 25 Detroit District 28
40 3 25 West Michigan District 37
Week 4 (Mar 25-27)
30 18 20 Waterloo Regional 12
61 27 50 Los Angeles Regional 34
48 25 38 Colorado Regional 23
41 29 30 Hawaii Regional 12
53 10 43 Boston Regional 43
47 10 37 SBPLI Long Island Regional 37
59 25 50 Buckeye Regional 34
56 3 54 Oklahoma Regional 53
44 10 34 Philadelphia Regional 34
44 29 36 Palmetto Regional 15
64 14 64 Microsoft Seattle Regional 50
40 8 25 Troy District 32
Week 5 (Apr 1-3)
44 28 35 Sacramento Regional (Mar 31-Apr 1) 16
60 44 54 Greater Toronto Regional 16
60 34 50 Connecticut Regional 26
60 22 50 Minnesota 10000 Lakes Regional 38
54 18 50 Minnesota North Star Regional 36
40 21 30 North Carolina Regional 19
49 37 41 Las Vegas Regional 12
63 33 54 Lone Star Regional 30
64 64 64 Michigan State Championship restricted

[Mr.G]

Figured it out.

[Jim Schaddelee]

What is the date for registration for a third district in Michigan?

[Mark McLeod]

More events filled up quickly as you'd expect.
Championship only had 24 open slots and they were gone in seconds.

San Diego, Finger Lakes, Greater Kansas, New Jersey, NYC, WPI, North Carolina are all at currently released capacity. If you're already on the waitlist by now, then you'll probably get in to those events.

P.S. Oklahoma and Connecticut are now full too (5pm)

P.P.S Buckeye is full (9pm)

Michigan 2nd event registration should be open, but it won't show up on my out-of-state TIMS selections.

[Mr.G]

I called FIRST and they said Michigan 3rd events will be announced at a later date.

[waialua359]

More events filled up quickly as you'd expect.
Championship only had 24 open slots and they were gone in seconds.



I didnt understand what was happening with signing up for CMP.
At 6:00am Hawaii time, we tried to get in repeatedly. It kept saying ineligible until about 6:10am, it finally said eligible, at which time we got waitlisted.:confused:
I called FIRST about 6:05am and they said it was probably because the official eligibility sign up was tomorrow.:confused:
I didnt believe it still trying.

Then I called back and said we got waitlisted (eligible). Two weeks ago, they said getting in was based on who paid first, and so on. When I asked, they said that policy got changed back to who signed up first because people complained about not being able to pay on the spot.
Personally, I think the issue went from one complaint type to another. Now, its about who can get through the system faster than others. Hawaii always had a hard time signing up for these situations due to our location. We tried Florida several years ago and couldnt get in for an hour. By the time we got on, we knew why. Everyone that wanted to sign up, already did and filled the regional.
What about teams that are prepared to pay and do what it takes to raise the funds necessary to participate vs who can get on the fastest? :)

[Wayne C.]

I didnt understand what was happening with signing up for CMP.
At 6:00am Hawaii time, we tried to get in repeatedly. It kept saying ineligible until about 6:10am, it finally said eligible, at which time we got waitlisted.:confused:
I called FIRST about 6:05am and they said it was probably because the official eligibility sign up was tomorrow.:confused:
I didnt believe it still trying.

Then I called back and said we got waitlisted (eligible). Two weeks ago, they said getting in was based on who paid first, and so on. When I asked, they said that policy got changed back to who signed up first because people complained about not being able to pay on the spot.
Personally, I think the issue went from one complaint type to another. Now, its about who can get through the system faster than others. Hawaii always had a hard time signing up for these situations due to our location. We tried Florida several years ago and couldnt get in for an hour. By the time we got on, we knew why. Everyone that wanted to sign up, already did and filled the regional.
What about teams that are prepared to pay and do what it takes to raise the funds necessary to participate vs who can get on the fastest? :)

Glenn- we got wait listed too. That was at 12:01 EDT after waiting for the site to accept me from the jam at 12. I called the offices to be told "well you should work really hard and make a super robot and win your way in". Gee Thanks. Unfortunately FIRST will not release WHERE on the wait list we are so I don't know if it is even possible to get in as spaces open up, and I don't want to risk not having the funds by registering for another regional. I dont know why the list is a big secret.
And frankly I am not really sure I want to make a high priced, rushed trip expedition at the last minute even if we do get in at some point late in the season. The increase in airfares and last minute rush isn't worth it.
Soo- I am going to the team next meeting to suggest we put the money saved on going to Atlanta into another shot out your way next season ; ). I'll just hate to miss playing with all our friends across the country as we do at Nats and we still havent won the Galileo division- the only win we haven't achieved..
Of course if there are still slots open for the Vegas regional we are playing there and expect to have a great time. They know how to have fun at that event.



WC

[waialua359]

That is a good point about showing the wait list. They did in the past, so why not continue? It gives teams info that show how realistic it is to get in.

Our team is already debating whether to use our funds for a 3rd regional vs Atlanta. We cant wait until possibly as late as the Hawaii regional to see if we qualify and then decide how to pay for a Hawaii-Atlanta trip. In 2009, we had already qualified via the CMP EI award and had ample time to plan, raise funds and prepare. The other 3 Hawaii teams that qualified were scrambling big time! Its not like they could drive there. :) :)
We are hoping that our State ROC and BAE will come through again for Hawaii teams that qualify from Hawaii. BAE has been gracious to give each team 5k to attend Atlanta the last two years (10k when we won the CA award in 2008.)

If you guys go to Vegas, see you there. Brother who lives there is getting married that weekend.

[Mark McLeod]

I much preferred the pay-first/play-first method.
It certainly relieved the pressure of logging in at exactly noon to get a chance to play, and it forced teams to plan and fundraise for the next season instead of surviving hand-to-mouth.
The last person to complain to FIRST wins, but I agree with Glenn, such complaints benefit only oneself and just shifts the problem on to other teams.

Wheedling your waitlist chance out of a Regional Director just causes more aggravation for everyone involved.

If we won two weeks before Atlanta we wouldn't go on such short notice.
The stress of that is too much on everyone, unless it's a once-in-a-lifetime opportunity.

[David Brinza]

Team 980 was on the CMP wait list last year. We went to the Las Vegas Regional thinking we had to win to get in. After we lost in the semi-finals, we thought our season was over...

We got an e-mail from FIRST on the Thursday AFTER the regional (April 2) telling us a spot had opened up for CMP. Fortunately, we had the funds available AND our robot had not yet been picked-up by FedEx in Vegas. It was a mad scramble to get travel arrangements and permissions in place, but we made it there.

This year, we'll need to earn our way to CMP.

[Pat Fairbank]

I didnt understand what was happening with signing up for CMP.
At 6:00am Hawaii time, we tried to get in repeatedly. It kept saying ineligible until about 6:10am, it finally said eligible, at which time we got waitlisted.:confused:
I got burned by this too. I was sitting on the "Add Event" page, continuously refreshing from 11:57 onwards - then had to watch the Championship capacity dwindle as 12:05 rolled by and we were still marked "ineligible". Turns out what I needed to do was to back all the way out to the main TIMS page, then go back into the add event page in order to be recognized as eligible. Hurrah for storing server information on the client side.

[Chris is me]

1714 missed preregistration for the first time this year. Guess we're earning our way to the Championship; we haven't had a year where we didn't earn a spot, but it's never nice to have more pressure. Oh well! Hope to see you guys there!

(also glad to see 2470 prepaid :D)

[Akash Rastogi]

We'll be rollin' a robot to NJ, Boston, and Atlanta.

[Mark McLeod]

Minnesota North Star is now full
Virginia and Utah are now full 8am 10/24

P.S.
A day after 2nd Regional Registration opened I drove 300 miles past 7 Regional venues.
Only one had slots left for teams.

[rees2001]

We got lucky with the Championship Registration process. I logged in at 11:50 & kept going though the system for a few minutes to check it out. I had a student with the atomic clock sitting next to me to tell me when to get in. I started at the main team info page & went through the process. It actually took me almost 2 minutes to get registered but we got a spot. I also signed us up for Buckeye at the same time. Good thing, I had no idea it would fill up so quick.

[Greg Needel]

FIRST needs to publish the waitlist for the championship and I encourage everyone to call and tell them so. I am sure that many teams are in the same boat with enough money to attend 2 events we would rather go to the championship rather than another regional, but don't want to risk not going to a second event altogether. Having had to make championship plans last min, I would prefer never to do that again. If they show us the wait list it will illustrate what our chances are, if you are in the top 25 on the wait list vs 200th it will give teams a better understanding of what their options on rather than putting it all to chance.

[Wayne C.]

FIRST needs to publish the waitlist for the championship and I encourage everyone to call and tell them so. I am sure that many teams are in the same boat with enough money to attend 2 events we would rather go to the championship rather than another regional, but don't want to risk not going to a second event altogether. Having had to make championship plans last min, I would prefer never to do that again. If they show us the wait list it will illustrate what our chances are, if you are in the top 25 on the wait list vs 200th it will give teams a better understanding of what their options on rather than putting it all to chance.

Greg- I don't think they really care about we who set up these trips since they fill up the event anyway. The list sure must be a big secret. As it often seems, we care more about doing FIRST than they seem to care about helping us.
However filling the regionals that would otherwise have empty slots should financially motivate someone to show the wait list so the "distant" teams can spend their money elsewhere in the FIRST world.

You know needing to win a spot in Atlanta kind of changes my motivations for playing this game...

WC :cool:

[Terminator]

That is a good point about showing the wait list. They did in the past, so why not continue? It gives teams info that show how realistic it is to get in.

Our team is already debating whether to use our funds for a 3rd regional vs Atlanta. We cant wait until possibly as late as the Hawaii regional to see if we qualify and then decide how to pay for a Hawaii-Atlanta trip. In 2009, we had already qualified via the CMP EI award and had ample time to plan, raise funds and prepare. The other 3 Hawaii teams that qualified were scrambling big time! Its not like they could drive there. :) :)
We are hoping that our State ROC and BAE will come through again for Hawaii teams that qualify from Hawaii. BAE has been gracious to give each team 5k to attend Atlanta the last two years (10k when we won the CA award in 2008.)

If you guys go to Vegas, see you there. Brother who lives there is getting married that weekend.

Are you bringing the whole team to Vegas?
Third regional for your team. Can we suggest that you come back to New Jersey? We would love to see you come out here. We missed the Nationals, because Wayne was a real slacker that day and waited all the way until 12:01 and it was already full. I had to do this thing called teach class, which I am sure a lot of mentors do since it is a school event.
If we wait to make plans for Nationals after we hopefully would qualify for it, it would cost a lot more money for the late plans. Hopefully we will save the money for another trip out to Hawai'i, with or without the robot. Your regional was great. We felt like we won, just for stepping off of the plane. You couldn't have made us feel more welcomed.

[Mark McLeod]

Oregon is also full at 8am this morning.

[Vikesrock]

Minnesota 10,000 Lakes is at currently open capacity.

[waialua359]

Are you bringing the whole team to Vegas?
Third regional for your team. Can we suggest that you come back to New Jersey? We would love to see you come out here. We missed the Nationals, because Wayne was a real slacker that day and waited all the way until 12:01 and it was already full. I had to do this thing called teach class, which I am sure a lot of mentors do since it is a school event.
If we wait to make plans for Nationals after we hopefully would qualify for it, it would cost a lot more money for the late plans. Hopefully we will save the money for another trip out to Hawai'i, with or without the robot. Your regional was great. We felt like we won, just for stepping off of the plane. You couldn't have made us feel more welcomed.

Only me and family will be there. Thats a lot of time away from home with the FRC/VEX stuff. We head out to Japan in two weeks to compete in VEX there.

As for NJ, we always wanted to come back but just decided on west coast and Arizona this time around.

[Akash Rastogi]

As for NJ, we always wanted to come back but just decided on west coast and Arizona this time around.

*sniffles*

:'(

Oh well, maybe I'll just see you guys in Atlanta again?

[waialua359]

*sniffles*

:'(

Oh well, maybe I'll just see you guys in Atlanta again?

We'll bring some mac nut chocolates to make it up to you folks. We just dont bring pineapples anymore since the airlines will kill us on checked baggage fees.

[Karthik]

We'll bring some mac nut chocolates to make it up to you folks. We just dont bring pineapples anymore since the airlines will kill us on checked baggage fees.

Sign me up for some of the Macadamia Nut Chocolates. ;)

[waialua359]

Sign me up for some of the Macadamia Nut Chocolates. ;)
Sure, no problem. All we ask is the collaboration spread a little farther west over the Pacific Ocean.:)
Nah, anything for the guy I finally got to meet behind that avatar.

[delsaner]

1676 is registered for NJ and VA
:D

[chepler0804]

Has anything been heard from FIRST regarding 3rd District Event registration?

[ehochstein]

(also glad to see 2470 prepaid :D)

Wait, what exactly did we pre-pay for?

[Chris is me]

Wait, what exactly did we pre-pay for?

I meant "Pre-pay" as in you've registered for the 2010 FIRST Championship in the preseason (as opposed to waiting until you qualified like you guys did last year).

[Mark McLeod]

Random Stats:


1476 teams are now registered

148 new rookies
13 new "veterans" (51, 78, 1749, 1754, 1762, 1773, 2000, 2003, 2006, 2020, 2331, 2704, 2949)
1 fake team
9 returning veteran teams (5 of them have been gone 3 years and 1 has been out for 4 years)
2566 Puerto Rico
2049 Brazil
1863 OK
1695 MT
1372 CA
1065 FL
1015 MI
814 CA
3171 NY
Areas ordered by # teams registered.

Missing Gained Registered
CA 27 12 132
MI 18 5 121
NY 26 7 103
MN 15 10 76
TX 33 2 60
NJ 5 4 60
VA 7 5 57
WA 5 11 55
OK 7 9 50
IL 4 4 46
MA 12 4 44
MO 14 3 40
OH 13 12 40
PA 11 3 40
FL 7 4 39
CT 2 6 37
Canada-ON 24 1 34
AZ 9 4 32
IN 3 5 32
OR 4 5 29
WI 2 1 28
GA 6 4 26
NH 3 2 26
MD 2 2 26
CO 10 2 25
SC 3 0 20
KS 4 1 18
HI 10 0 14
NC 2 4 13
Israel 37 2 12
UT 1 8 12
MS 1 0 10
TN 1 4 10
NV 7 2 9
ID 2 2 9
LA 9 1 8
DC 8 1 8
AL 2 2 7
Brazil 0 0 7
PR 0 0 7
MT 1 2 6
ME 2 0 5
KY 1 1 4
ND 2 0 3
NM 1 0 3
WV 1 0 3
Canada-QC2 1 2
AK 1 0 2
IA 1 0 2
Mexico 1 1 2
RI 1 0 2
United Kingdom 1 0 2
VT 1 0 2
DE 0 0 2
WY 1 0 1
AR 0 0 1
Australia 0 1 1
Chile 0 0 1
GE 0 0 1
Netherlands 0 0 1
Turkey 0 0 1
Canada-BC 2 0 0
Canada-Alberta 1 0 0
Phillipines 1 0 0

[Jared Russell]

Random Stats:


1476 teams are now registered

148 new rookies
13 new "veterans"
1 fake team
9 returning veteran teams
2566 Puerto Rico
2049 Brazil
1863 OK
1695 MT
1372 CA
1065 FL
1015 MI
814 CA
3171 NY


What is a "fake" team?

[Vikesrock]

What is a "fake" team?

This:
https://my.usfirst.org/myarea/index.lasso?page=team_details&tpid=35293

[Mark McLeod]

There are scattered test teams strewn through the FIRST database, so when we get total teams back from a query it isn't always correct.

This year team 156 is an example. (Use Kevin's link. I'm posting an image because I no longer trust usfirst links to last until next year.)

P.S.
Waterloo is now at initial capacity (8am on 10/27)

[GaryVoshol]

1015 MIYes! We get to hear Paul C introducing "Pi Hi Samurai"! Welcome back, guys.

[Mark McLeod]

Here is where Regional registration stands after 2nd registration has settled.
Someone will want to know this next year.

Estimated Estimated Remaining 10/27/2009
Full Remaining Initial Initial
Capacity Capacity Capacity Capacity Regional
Week 1 (Mar 4-6)
52 10 0 42 San Diego Regional 42
65 21 0 44 Washington DC Regional 44
48 10 0 38 Peachtree Regional 38
48 27 17 38 Bayou Regional 21
62 10 0 52 Greater Kansas City Regional 52
48 10 0 38 BAE Granite State Regional 38
50 10 0 40 Finger Lakes Regional 40
64 10 0 54 Autodesk Oregon Regional 54
63 10 0 53 New Jersey Regional (Mar 5-7) 53
40 7 -8 25 Traverse City District 33
40 7 -8 25 Kettering Univ. District 33
Week 2 (Mar 11-13)
64 18 8 54 Arizona Regional 46
64 13 3 54 Florida Regional 51
36 9 -1 26 WPI Regional 27
64 21 11 54 Chesapeake Regional 43
63 22 12 53 Wisconsin Regional 41
64 10 0 54 New York City Regional (Mar 12-14) 54
38 11 2 29 Pittsburgh Regional (Mar 12-13) 27
40 14 -1 25 Cass Tech District 26
40 12 -3 25 Ann Arbor District 28
60 47 47 60 Israel Regional (Mar 14-16) 13
Week 3 (Mar 18-20)
52 9 -1 42 Silicon Valley Regional 43
54 10 0 44 Midwest Regional 44
40 8 -2 30 Boilermaker Regional 32
64 42 32 54 St. Louis Regional 22
54 17 3 40 Dallas Regional 37
40 10 0 30 Utah Regional 30
64 9 -1 54 Virginia Regional (formerly NASA/VCU) 55
40 12 -3 25 Detroit District 28
40 3 -12 25 West Michigan District 37
Week 4 (Mar 25-27)
30 10 0 20 Waterloo Regional 20
61 13 2 50 Los Angeles Regional 48
48 14 4 38 Colorado Regional 34
41 25 14 30 Hawaii Regional 16
53 10 0 43 Boston Regional 43
47 10 0 37 SBPLI Long Island Regional 37
60 10 0 50 Buckeye Regional 50
64 10 0 54 Oklahoma Regional 54
44 10 0 34 Philadelphia Regional 34
46 20 10 36 Palmetto Regional 26
64 13 13 64 Microsoft Seattle Regional 51
40 6 -9 25 Troy District 34
Week 5 (Apr 1-3)
45 10 0 35 Sacramento Regional (Mar 31-Apr 1) 35
64 40 30 54 Greater Toronto Regional 24
60 10 0 50 Connecticut Regional 50
60 10 0 50 Minnesota 10000 Lakes Regional 50
60 10 0 50 Minnesota North Star Regional 50
40 14 4 30 North Carolina Regional 26
50 22 13 41 Las Vegas Regional 28
64 22 12 54 Lone Star Regional 42

[XaulZan11]

I've noticed that 121 hasn't signed up for any events. Anyone have any details?

Are there any other notable teams that haven't signed up yet or aren't competiting this year?

[Mark McLeod]

I've noticed that 121 hasn't signed up for any events. Anyone have any details?
121 appears to have reinvented itself as 78 this year.

See post #69 (http://www.chiefdelphi.com/forums/showpost.php?p=877010&postcount=69)

[Travis Hoffman]

At least one event has started to register teams off the waitlist. Both 48 and 2010 received notice of DC registration today.

[XaulZan11]

121 appears to have reinvented itself as 78 this year.

See post #69 (http://www.chiefdelphi.com/forums/showpost.php?p=877010&postcount=69)

Yeah, I am aware of 78, but posts 4 and 5 (http://www.chiefdelphi.com/forums/showthread.php?t=78494) make it seem that 121 would still be a team this year.

[Mark McLeod]

At least one event has started to register teams off the waitlist. Both 48 and 2010 received notice of DC registration today.
Looks like DC moved 6 teams off the waitlist.

In my post of the Regional counts earlier, negative numbers indicate teams that have been moved off the waitlist. Onesies and twosies appear to be rookies, while large numbers seem to be everyone who was cooling their heels on the waitlist.
Since that posting DC, San Diego, 10K Lakes, and North Star have all moved additional teams off their waitlists.

A couple of regional team counts have also gone down as teams switched events or dropped out altogether.

P.S.
Are there any other notable teams that haven't signed up yet or aren't competiting this year?
About 364 teams from last season are still missing from registration.
(9) from circa 1998, including 47, 65 & 121
(8) from 1999
(7) from 2000
(12) from 2001
(10) from 2002
(14) from 2003
(23) from 2004
(31) from 2005
(38) from 2006
etc.
See a general pattern here :)

Probably about half of those now missing won't return this season.
The other half are just late signing up, or are invisible on a waitlist somewhere.

[Chris Fultz]

From the FIRST website, there are 1497 Registered Team so far.

This is a net reduction of about 180 teams from 2009.

With 148 new teams, and 22 returning teams (teams that did not compete in 2009), that means 372 (22%) of the 2009 teams are not yet in for 2010.

[waialua359]

I'd bet its the economy.
Hawaii has just 2 out of State teams sign up so far. That is a huge drop in just its 3rd year.

[ralcony]

Yeah, I am aware of 78, but posts 4 and 5 (http://www.chiefdelphi.com/forums/sh...ad.php?t=78494) make it seem that 121 would still be a team this year.

I believe 121 is on the wait list for the GSR. I have heard rumblings that the GSR wait list is in the process of being reviewed so we should know soon :)

[Jared Russell]

Could Mark, Chris, or anyone else post the list of veteran teams that have not registered yet? Just wondering.

Thanks!

[Mark McLeod]

It's not quite as bad as all that.
Although growth is down by maybe half under last year, certainly due to economic reasons.
We (Team 358) did chose WPI over DC because it's so much cheaper for us, so Glenn must be seeing similar fallout.

Registration (1501) is currently ahead of last year at this same time by about 8%, or you can think of it as being 10 days ahead of last year. Most of the gain over last year is actually due to veteran teams returning, rather than rookies.

I'll add the list of missing teams as an attachment to this post around lunchtime when I'll have some time away from work. I don't want to inadvertantly, through no fault of my own, qualify for the Autodesk signup...

Attached (now) is the list of 357 missing teams that played last year.
Based on one past report at this time, there are probably another ~30 teams that registered, but don't yet show up on the full list of teams.
Some, such as 10 Long Island teams, are just invisible because they are sitting on our local regional waitlist.

Of course other teams, e.g., Israel, are traditionally late in registering. Teams 47 and 65 are only there because they merged into a new team.

Here's what the chart (http://www.team358.org/files/frc_records/index.php) looks like so far...

[Jared Russell]

Thanks Mark.

[yodameister]

Just based on a quick glance of the list, I see 100 rookie numbers from 2009...scary.

[Richard Wallace]

148 new rookies
Just based on a quick glance of the list, I see 100 rookie numbers from 2009...scary.Not every rookie team gets a 'rookie number'.

Mark, how does the pace of rookie registration for 2010 compare with recent years?

[I recall your 300 Spartans post one or two years ago. Will we see 300+ rookies this year?]

[yodameister]

Not every rookie team gets a 'rookie number'.



Yeah, I knew that, that is why I said rookie number and not number of rookies.:)

[Mark McLeod]

How does the pace of rookie registration for 2010 compare with recent years?

[I recall your 300 Spartans post one or two years ago. Will we see 300+ rookies this year?]

Does not look like FRC will make it to 300 new teams this year, just shy of it though.
Looks like it's midway between the '06 and '07 registration numbers.

That'd give us roughly 296 new teams this year, so maybe it'll peak at 300.

New teams at this same registration point in time:

172 - 2009 (this year)
220 - 2008 (final headcount 320)
208 - 2007 (final headcount 317)
130 - 2006 (final headcount 264)

[Wayne C.]

Does not look like FRC will make it to 300 new teams this year, just shy of it though.
Looks like it's midway between the '06 and '07 registration numbers.

That'd give us roughly 296 new teams this year, so maybe it'll peak at 300.

New teams at this same registration point in time:

172 - 2009 (this year)
220 - 2008 (final headcount 320)
208 - 2007 (final headcount 317)
130 - 2006 (final headcount 264)

Of greater interest is how many veteran teams no longer come back

rookie teams are like kids - making them is easy but raising them to maturity can kill you

[JaneYoung]

Of greater interest is how many veteran teams no longer come back


While that may be true in general, I would like to know the status of many of the 2009 rookie teams that formed here in Texas and if they will be returning for the 2010 season.

[Mark McLeod]

Of greater interest is how many veteran teams no longer come back

Registration of veterans to date is about even with this same time last year, give or take maybe 10 vets.
9 resurrected vets have returned so far this year.
The final count for missing vets over the past several years:

-165 in 2008 (last year)
-133 in 2007
-112 in 2006I would like to know the status of many of the 2009 rookie teams that formed here in Texas and if they will be returning for the 2010 season.

I know you've been concerned about starting lots of new teams without an infrastructure to sustain them.

Texas is still missing 18 teams that were rookies last year, trailing other areas.
Last season there was only a single 2008 Texas rookie that didn't return.
Here are counts of just the 2009 rookies, by area, that haven't signed on for 2010 yet:

AL 1
AZ 2
CA 5
CO 1
CT 1
DC 4
GA 3
HI 2
ID 2
IL 2
IN 1
IS 14
LA 2
MA 2
MI 4
MN 6
MO 2
MS 1
NM 1
NY 6
OH 3
OK 3
ON 4
PA 1
PL 1
QC 1
TN 1
TX 18
WA 5
WI 1
WV 1

[waialua359]

Our team is hosting a potential rookie teams workshop this weekend.
We're hoping to get about 7 new Hawaii FRC teams in the mix.
2024 is coming back under their old no. 1056.
We will be with them in Japan next week for a VEX tournament. ;)

On second thought, maybe teams are cutting back on long distance regionals they attend due to the economy.
The NASA grant is a great support for registration fees. I hope that continues indefinitely......

[JaneYoung]

Thank you, Mark!
You rock.

[Akash Rastogi]

Thanks for all this information Mark, it just gives even more backing to why I started EWCP last year (also caused by your data). Wayne is so right, right now rookie teams mean barely anything to me when I see how many veterans (some of them long time veterans) have not returned for the new season.

Thank you.

[JVN]

Texas is still missing 18 teams that were rookies last year, trailing other areas.
Last season there was only a single 2008 Texas rookie that didn't return.


Mark, it sounds like you're the man holding the data. Can you answer a few questions for me?


How many Texas teams were there in 2007, 2008, 2009?
How many Texas rookies were there in 2007, 2008, 2009? (2010 projected?)
How many Texas rookies returned in 2008? (You said only a single didn't return in 2009, and we're missing 18 so far for 2010...)You're the man! Thanks in advance...

-John

[Akash Rastogi]

Are there any spots that will be filled at Boston? I'm hoping to see Gael Force get a spot.

[BrendanB]

Are there any spots that will be filled at Boston? I'm hoping to see Gael Force get a spot.
That will be interesting... they usually don't attend both GSR and Boston it has been one or the other so I hope they go to both. I want to see their robot more than once at a regional. :)

I take it that FIRST doesn't show who is on the waiting list at regionals correct?

[Mark McLeod]

Can you answer a few questions for me?

How many Texas teams were there in 2007, 2008, 2009?
How many Texas rookies were there in 2007, 2008, 2009? (2010 projected?)
How many Texas rookies returned in 2008? (You said only a single didn't return in 2009, and we're missing 18 so far for 2010...)I can't accurately project this year's # of Texas rookies from the small sample of data available.
In a normal year it looks like 7 rookies +/- 2 would be average.
I'd need a larger set or I'd have to know your region better.
Your Regional Director should have a good idea.
I'd imagine the press to recruit new teams dropped off after the huge increase in new teams exhausted your volunteers last year.


#teams = total
#rookies = new teams
#post-rookies = rookies the year before, who returned
#missing post-rookies = rookies from the year before who didn't return

#teams #rookies #post-rookies #missing post-rookies
2007 34 5 6 2
2008 44 9 5 0
2009 85 46 8 1
2010 64 4 28 18 (so far)

[Richard Wallace]

"You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to Mark McLeod again."

There is power and beauty in the respectful presentation of data. Facts, like high art, are most easily appreciated when allowed to speak for themselves.

[chepler0804]

Has anything been heard from FIRST regarding 3rd District Event registration?
I received an email from FIRST in Michigan that third District Event registration for Michigan teams will open on December 2 at noon.

[Mark McLeod]

You should probably post a copy of that email as a new thread in CDs
FIRST E-Mail Blast Archive (http://www.chiefdelphi.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=113) so that important info. will reach more people.

[Mark McLeod]

I finally took time for a closer look at our new teams so far.
This is just from looking at the team list and the schools/locales.

Everyone knows about:51 - merger of 47 & 65
78 - from students & mentors of 121
Several other schools played before under other numbers.
3146: was part of a 1997 pre-number team (I call it A197) (13 years ago)
3135: was 1055 (6 years ago)
3148 is at a school that was once part of teams 125 & 246
3171 was 1019 (3 years ago)
3200 was once both teams 1190 & 1338 (last participated 6 years ago)
3165 was once both teams 452 & 1433 (6 years ago)
3235 was 2431 last seasonOther musings:
3143 appears to be a sibling team of 1334 out of the same school
2167 has generated several sister teams: 2003, 2006, 2020
1754 appears to have just changed it's number from 1779
2741 looks like it has split into 2704 (now associated with a school, but still with their old sponsor), and 2949 (still independent)
3161 is a sibling team of 1334
3262 appears to have been 1008 last year, but joined with another high school this yearSo new teams aren't always new to FRC, and missing veteran teams aren't always lost.

Anyone know some interesting tidbits about local teams?

[Zflash]

On the South Carolina Front 1618 is out for 2010 and is joining forces with 2815.

[Mark McLeod]

I copied some wrong numbers earlier in the Texas team totals.
The total teams hailing from Texas were take from a subtotal column, instead of a totals column.
Here's the corrected version.
Sorry about that.


#teams #rookies #post-rookies #missing post-rookies
2007 35 5 6 2
2008 45 9 5 0
2009 91 50 8 1
2010 64 4 32 18 (so far)

[Richard Wallace]

Anyone know some interesting tidbits about local teams?
2902 (Team NYACK) has "Perseverance is a Virtue" for its motto. And with good cause.

This Boeing sponsored second year veteran team is based at Normandy High School in St. Louis.

2009 was their third rookie season.

Their second rookie season was 2003 as FRC 1210. (ref (http://web.archive.org/web/20030408054026/www.usfirst.org/frc/map/FMPro?-db=team+events.fp5&-lay=web&-format=team_list.htm&event=MO&event+year=2003&status=signed+up&-sortfield=team+id&-max=all&-find))

Their first rookie season was 1996, before FRC teams had permanent numbers. That team was sponsored by Emerson Electric and had participants from Cardinal Ritter College Prep and Normandy HS. (ref (http://web.archive.org/web/19961125044231/usfirst.org/1996comp/teamlist.html))

[JaneYoung]

I copied some wrong numbers earlier in the Texas team totals.
The total teams hailing from Texas were take from a subtotal column, instead of a totals column.
Here's the corrected version.
Sorry about that.

I received an e-mail saying that some of the FRC teams that also participate in BEST may wait until that competition is over before they register for their FRC event(s). 'One competition at a time' kind of thing. This is the last weekend for BEST competition for the Texas teams to qualify for our state competition in December, I believe. We should, hopefully, see the registration numbers improve. :)

Rock on, Texas teams!

[Mark McLeod]

Made it past the 200 new team mark today.

81% of last year's teams have re-registered, leaving 19% still missing.
About 325 teams from last year haven't been heard from (not counting the teams we do know about that have merged or renumbered).
More total teams (1346) have now returned this year, than returned last year (1336).

14 past veterans teams have rejoined us (about normal results for the past decade) after being out of competition for:
(2) 1-yr
(1) 2-yrs
(6) 3-yrs
(1) 4-yrs
(3) 6-yrs
(1) 13-yrs Projecting the registration curve it looks like net growth is close to 2004 (2005 season) percentages, maybe a 100 to 110 net team increase. Could be around 1780 teams this season after everything settles down by the time of the regional events.
2005 was a doldrum year with 6.6% overall growth. That's roughly what this year looks like too, we're seeing maybe half the double digit growth FRC has experienced over the past four seasons.

[Chris_Elston]

Just curious on your missing teams data.

From Indiana I know of TWO teams that are "registered" but don't shown up on any regional list yet (in TIMS) because they are on a wait list for Boilermaker. They aren't registered for any other regional.

Are your numbers based on what you see in TIMS? If so, there maybe other teams like the Indiana teams that have only signed up for their local regional but stuck on a wait list. It would be nice if we could see the wait list teams. :-)

[Mark McLeod]

Are your numbers based on what you see in TIMS? If so, there maybe other teams like the Indiana teams that have only signed up for their local regional but stuck on a wait list. It would be nice if we could see the wait list teams. :-)

We have the same situation with 9 local teams on the SBPLI waitlist that do not show up on the TIMS database as registered yet.

The talleys I quote are taken purely from the reported TIMS numbers, so year-to-year comparisons remain somewhat constant and can be repeated by others without special knowledge being required. That way the news is always better than what I've been reporting.:)
Some waitlists have already been cleared by their Regional Directors (looks like: Seattle, DC, Minnesota, and all the Michigan district events have cleared their waitlists), while others keep teams languishing waiting to see which rookie teams form.

Mike Betts got a look at all the regional waitlists two year's ago at this same time and there were 33 teams event-wide that had registered but didn't show up.
http://www.chiefdelphi.com/forums/showpost.php?p=649146&postcount=48

Based on the two teams you know about, it seems like Boilermaker has an estimated 5 slots remaining unclaimed in case anyone wants to sign up...

[Chris_Elston]

Based on the two teams you know about, it seems like Boilermaker has an estimated 5 slots remaining unclaimed in case anyone wants to sign up...

The wait list for Boilermaker is 7-10 teams deep right now. Priority will go to the teams on wait list that have not signed up for any other regional yet. Will miss absent Indiana teams. :(

[Richard Wallace]

The wait list for Boilermaker is 7-10 teams deep right now. Priority will go to the teams on wait list that have not signed up for any other regional yet. Will miss absent Indiana teams. :(I'm certain that teams who miss getting a spot at Boilermaker, and are still looking to compete that same weekend, will be welcome in St. Louis.

Indiana teams have done well there in past years. :)

[IndySam]

I'm certain that teams who miss getting a spot at Boilermaker, and are still looking to compete that same weekend, will be welcome in St. Louis.

Indiana teams have done well there in past years. :)

We loved coming there until you guys moved the date.

[Mark McLeod]

P.S.
Afternoon results:
Palmetto is now at initial capacity, probably no waitlist to speak of yet if you want to sign up.
P.P.S. Lone Star is also now (11-06-09, 9am) at initial capacity.

It appears we had a spurt of teams "join" in and the Minnesota waitlists were cleared around 11:00am Central time/noon Eastern time.

Both MN regionals are now at 62 teams each, and the number of registered Minnesota teams jumped from 91 to 101, so 10 were on the waitlist.

Total teams: 1616
Resurrected vets: 15
New teams: 208
Renumbered & merged teams: 3
Still one team that's not a team (that also takes up fake slots at BAE and Championship).-----------------

Unrestricted Registration opens at noon today, so before that changes things here are the registration totals by location.
A bunch of the Missing teams are just late in registering, e.g., most Israeli teams usually show up just before registration closes, Texas is busy with the BEST competition. One Long Island team just registered yesterday, but won't show up because they are sitting on the SBPLI waitlist.

Registered = total
Missing = # teams that played last year, but don't yet show up on the TIMS rolls (these include at least a dozen teams we know about that are still on waitlists for probably their only regional).
New = includes rookies, new teams with veteran members, renumbered/merged teams too.
Resurrected Vets = teams that sat out a few years, some of them have gotten new rookie #'s, but aren't counted in the new team totals.

. Registered Missing New Resurrected Vets
AK 3
AL 10 1 4
AR 1
Australia 1 1
AZ 36 7 6
Brazil 7 1
CA 146 18 16 3
Canada-AB 1
Canada-BC 2
Canada-ON 40 18 1
Canada-QC 2 2 1
Chile 1
CO 26 9 1 1
CT 37 2 5 1
DC 12 5 2
DE 2
FL 39 6 3 1
GA 28 5 5
Germany 1
HI 19 6 1
IA 3
ID 11 1 3
IL 46 4 3 1
IN 33 3 6
Israel 15 35 3
KS 19 3 1
KY 5 1 2
LA 14 3 1
MA 45 12 5
MD 27 2 3
ME 6 1
Mexico 2 1 1
MI 124 16 6 1
MN 91 15 25
MO 44 11 4
MS 11 1 1
MT 6 1 2 1
NC 14 1 4
ND 3 2
Netherlands 1
NH 26 3 2
NJ 61 5 5
NM 3 1
NV 11 5 2
NY 105 26 8 1
OH 41 12 12
OK 51 6 9 1
OR 32 2 5 1
PA 41 10 3
Phillipines 1
PR 7 1
RI 3 1 2
SC 20 3
TN 10 1 4
Turkey 1
TX 72 26 7
United Kingdom 2 1
UT 13 1 9
VA 60 6 7
VT 3
WA 56 5 12
WI 28 2 1
WV 3 1
WY 2 1 1

Totals 1582 314 205 14


Here's where event registration stood as of 11/5/2009 at 9am.
I added a simple guess at the final capacity of each venue based on the initial capacity (some adjusted) plus a 10 slot reserve (15 for districts).
Some venues, e.g. DC, are capable of holding much more than my simple estimate, but all this is up to the Regional Directors and what their plans can handle.

None of this takes into account teams already on waitlists for many of these events, for instance, Boilermaker and SBPLI Long Island waitlists seem to be full.

Regional Current Guesstimated
. Registration Final Capacity Remaining

Week 1 (Mar 4-6)
San Diego Regional 44 52 8
Washington DC Regional 53 54 1
Peachtree Regional 39 48 9
Bayou Regional 29 48 19
Greater Kansas City Regional 52 62 10
BAE Granite State Regional 38 48 10
Finger Lakes Regional 40 50 10
Autodesk Oregon Regional 56 64 8
New Jersey Regional (Mar 5-7) 54 63 9
Traverse City District 33 40 7
Kettering Univ. District 33 40 7

Week 2 (Mar 11-13)
Arizona Regional 52 64 12
Florida Regional 50 64 14
WPI Regional 27 36 9
Chesapeake Regional 47 64 17
Wisconsin Regional 46 63 17
New York City Regional (Mar 12-14) 56 64 8
Pittsburgh Regional (Mar 12-13) 29 38 9
Cass Tech District 26 40 14
Ann Arbor District 30 40 10
Israel Regional (Mar 14-16) 16 60 44

Week 3 (Mar 18-20)
Silicon Valley Regional 46 52 6
Midwest Regional 44 54 10
Boilermaker Regional 33 40 7
St. Louis Regional 26 64 38
Dallas Regional 41 50 9
Utah Regional 31 40 9
Virginia Regional 56 64 8
Detroit District 28 40 12
West Michigan District 37 40 3

Week 4 (Mar 25-27)
Waterloo Regional 22 30 8
Los Angeles Regional 54 60 6
Colorado Regional 34 48 14
Hawaii Regional 22 40 18
Boston Regional 42 53 11
SBPLI Long Island Regional 37 47 10
Buckeye Regional 53 60 7
Oklahoma Regional 54 64 10
Philadelphia Regional 34 44 10
Palmetto Regional 35 46 11
Microsoft Seattle Regional 53 64 11
Troy District 34 40 6

Week 5 (Apr 1-3)
Sacramento Regional (Mar 31-Apr 1) 37 45 8
Greater Toronto Regional 31 64 33
Connecticut Regional 49 60 11
Minnesota 10000 Lakes Regional 57 63 6
Minnesota North Star Regional 57 63 6
North Carolina Regional 26 36 10
Las Vegas Regional 35 50 15
Lone Star Regional 51 64 13

[Mark McLeod]

Looks like Boston cleared their waitlist.

Arizona has reached its advertised capacity too.

I count 2245 slots filled by 1640 teams (including that one non-team:)).
That doesn't take account of the many remaining on waitlists of course.

If my math is close that means:
(1640) 1st regionals & districts
(169) Championship slots
(98) 2nd district slots (with 130 Michigan teams, that means 32 haven't signed up for a 2nd district event)
(338) 2nd (or 3rd) regionalsBut those numbers are just off the cuff, so they need to be double-checked and verified.

[Mark McLeod]

As of this morning registration (1682) officially passed last year's total teams (1677).
127 more teams than were registered at this time last season, and 20 days ahead of last year's signup.
Part of the latest increase has been due to waitlist releases, as well as, rookies finally signing up.

~87% team retention so far (same as 2005's final tally), still missing 240 teams that played last year.
19 returned schools that had a team before (2 to 13 years ago).
227 new teamsSome of those new teams given low numbers have dropped out - 9 of those remain.

3351 from Israel is the highest team number so far.


Resurrected teams
CA 3
FL 2
NY 2
Brazil 1
CO 1
CT 1
HI 1
IL 1
MI 1
MN 1
MT 1
OK 1
OR 1
PR 1
VA 1


Israeli teams are usually late for signup, so that number missing can be depended on to go down a lot.

Teams Missing from last season
Israel 34
TX 18
CA 17
Canada-ON 16
NY 14
OH 11
MI 10
MO 9
CO 8
PA 7
AZ 6
MA 6
OK 6
HI 5
MN 5
NV 5
VA 5
WA 5
DC 4
FL 4
IL 4
GA 3
KS 3
NH 3
SC 3
Canada-QC 2
LA 2
ND 2
NJ 2
WI 2
AL 1
Canada-AB 1
Canada-BC 1
CT 1
ID 1
IN 1
MD 1
ME 1
Mexico 1
MS 1
MT 1
NC 1
NM 1
OR 1
Philippines 1
RI 1
TN 1
United Kingdom 1
UT 1
WV 1
WY 1


Minnesota is winning the new team recruitment drive, and has broken the 100 team barrier, for 102 teams this year.

New Teams
MN 25
CA 20
TX 13
WA 12
OH 12
UT 11
OK 8
NY 8
VA 7
NC 7
MI 6
IN 6
GA 6
AZ 6
OR 5
NJ 5
MA 5
Israel 5
CT 5
TN 4
PA 4
IL 4
AL 4
NH 3
MD 3
ID 3
FL 3
RI 2
NV 2
MT 2
MO 2
LA 2
KY 2
DC 2
CO 2
WY 1
WI 1
MS 1
Mexico 1
KS 1
HI 1
Canada-QC 1
Canada-ON 1
Australia 1

Four states now have in excess of 100 teams.

Total
CA 151
MI 131
NY 118
MN 102
TX 86
NJ 64
VA 62
WA 56
MA 51
OK 50
IL 47
MO 45
PA 45
OH 43
Canada-ON 42
FL 42
CT 38
AZ 37
IN 35
OR 33
GA 31
CO 28
MD 28
WI 28
NH 27
HI 21
SC 20
KS 19
Israel 18
NC 17
LA 16
UT 15
DC 13
ID 11
MS 11
NV 11
AL 10
TN 10
Brazil 7
PR 7
KY 6
ME 6
MT 6
AK 3
IA 3
ND 3
NM 3
RI 3
VT 3
WV 3
Canada-QC 2
DE 2
Mexico 2
United Kingdom 2
WY 2
AR 1
Australia 1
Canada-BC 1
Chile 1
Germany 1
Netherlands 1
Turkey 1

[Mark McLeod]

A balance point of sorts has been reached:230 new teams vs
230 teams missing from last season
One will continue to decrease while the other increases.
It looks like we might break 1800 total teams this season.

We've surpassed 1994 in net number of teams gained (20) - all resurrected vets since the new and missing teams balance each other out. Of course, back then that represented a 76% increase, while for 2010 that's a 1.2% increase.

Team 121 has registered.

Of the lower number teams we are still missing:
1997 rookie
59 Miami, FL
1998 rookie
104 West Chester, PA
1999 rookie
284 Dimock, PA
2000 rookies
405 Richmond, VA
406 Detroit, MI
2001 rookies
496 Port Jefferson, NY
500 New London, CT
549 Leominster, MA
615 Washington, DC
660 Round Rock, TX
670 Cupertino, CA There are 5 regionals that are only a team or two away from filling their initial capacity: Bayou, Chesapeake, Colorado, Hawaii, and Vegas

[waialua359]

Yes,
It looks as though Hawaii will probably fill up.
We just added ours today.:D
Surprising not many West Coast teams this time around.

[Mark McLeod]

Clarification on the 2010 Championship Wait List came out in an email blast (directed to teams already on the waitlist).
http://www.chiefdelphi.com/forums/showthread.php?p=882816#post882816

We're past 1700 teams.
Las Vegas reached published capacity too.

[lynca]

Thanks for the great updates Mark !

The team list is growing quickly, we are now at 1736 teams.
Regional capacity is coming soon. Most all the events are waitlist registration.

St. Louis, Waterloo & GTR have the largest # of open spots.
Bayou and Wisconsin only have a handful of spots open.

[Mark McLeod]

Thanks for posting Andrew, I got distracted by the FRC Records thread.

P.S. Bayou is now at advertised capacity (5pm, 11/21).

2359 competition slots are filled.

The Minnesota events are completely full, waitlisted teams now need someone to drop out before they can get in.
Dallas has squeezed in a few more than I guessed they would handle.

Don't forget Hawaii also has one published slot still open, plus probably 10 reserved spots.
Waterloo has one open capacity, but has changed to 26 slots available from it's original 20.

Israel too has a lot of spots remaining.
A half dozen Israel teams registered in just the past day.

Colorado and Chesapeake filled in just the last couple of days.

Actually, there are a few events (Kansas, WPI, Oklahoma) where teams have dropped out bringing the current total of players below the original published open capacity. Now, that doesn't mean that there aren't teams salivating on and overflowing the waitlists.

Only 4 more working days for registration, since it closes a couple of days earlier than in past seasons.
I expect registration will be flat over the weekend and over the extended US Thanksgiving weekend, but rise sharply on the regular working days.

Michigan events still have their "2nd Registration" coming up on December 1, so expect a surge to fill the remaining open slots at the district events there.

After registration closes, teams remaining on waitlists will be moved off and will keep appearing on the registered rolls up through the middle of December.
After that teams start to dwindle off all the way up through the start of competition. The total registered typically drops by roughly 25 teams from the peak in mid-December.

[1986titans]

Here are the eight missing Missouri teams:

Ballwin, MO USA Parkway West High School 1609
Kansas City, MO USA DeLaSalle Education Center 1776
Independence , MO USA Van Horn High School 1981
Raytown, MO USA Raytown South High School 1992
Blue Springs , MO USA Blue Springs High School 1996
Maryville, MO USA Missouri Academy of Science, Mathematics, and Computing 2167
Independence, MO USA Fort Osage High School 2366
Kansas City, MO USA East High School 2799

1609 - Missed 2007 and 2008 seasons before returning last year.
1981 - I am fairly certain it was combined with 1723. The school and most of the students switched districts after the team was created, and 1723 carries the district name.
1992 - Combined with 1782?
1996 - Combined with 1785, which has changed it's affiliation to "Blue Springs School District" to reflect this.
2167 - When registration opened for KC, there were three or four teams registered to this school, at least. All have since been removed.
2799 - "Van Horn @ East High School" opened up last year because KC needed a place to put the kids that were affected by the boundary change that affected 1981.

Edit: Ones missing from KC confirmed to not be participating this year per KC FIRST list: http://www.chiefdelphi.com/forums/showthread.php?t=78490&page=11

[vhcook]

1776 has folded due to the lead teacher changing schools.

[Foster]

1998 rookie
* 104 West Chester, PA


According to one of the mentors, Team 104 will not be fielding a robot this year.

[Mark McLeod]

Okay, it's Thanksgiving. I'm waiting for a turkey to cook. It's too wet out to rake leaves. Everyone arrived home early in the morning, so they're mostly still asleep, and I need something to keep me busy.

Registration closes in four days, except Michigan third event registration opens on December 2.
1757 total teams showing (1758 if we count fake team 156)
248 rookies (vs. 320 last year)
189 missing teams from last season (26 more than last year)
21 defunct vets have returned (equal to last year)
90% retention rate of veteran teams is in line with the preceeding decade
4.8% net gainTeams are registered for:
(1758) 1st events (including districts - & 1 fake team entry)
(360) 2nd Regionals
(106) 2nd District events (27 MI teams apparently are not on a list for a 2nd district event)
(168) Championship (1 fake entry)Regional and district teams lists are in steady flux, rising and falling by 1 or 2 teams.
DC just pulled a bunch off their waitlist and are now showing 59.

Here are some subtotals:

5 areas show double-digit losses in teams. Israel is probably just late registering as usual.

Missing from last season
16 --- Israel
15 --- CA
14 --- TX
12 --- NY
11 --- OH
9 ---- Canada-ON
8 ---- MI
8 ---- MO
7 ---- PA
6 ---- AZ
6 ---- CO
6 ---- MA
6 ---- OK
5 ---- HI
5 ---- MN
5 ---- NV
4 ---- FL
4 ---- IL
4 ---- WA
3 ---- DC
3 ---- KS
3 ---- VA
2 ---- GA
2 ---- ND
2 ---- NJ
2 ---- SC
2 ---- WI
1 ---- AL
1 ---- Canada-BC
1 ---- CT
1 ---- ID
1 ---- IN
1 ---- LA
1 ---- ME
1 ---- Mexico
1 ---- MS
1 ---- MT
1 ---- NC
1 ---- NM
1 ---- OR
1 ---- Philippines
1 ---- TN
1 ---- United Kingdom
1 ---- UT
1 ---- WV
1 ---- WY
Minnesota is leading in new team recruitment.

New Teams
26 --- MN
21 --- CA
19 --- TX
13 --- OH
12 --- WA
11 --- UT
10 --- VA
8 ---- NY
8 ---- OK
7 ---- Israel
7 ---- MI
7 ---- NC
6 ---- AZ
6 ---- GA
6 ---- IN
5 ---- FL
5 ---- IL
5 ---- MA
5 ---- NJ
5 ---- OR
4 ---- CT
4 ---- PA
4 ---- TN
3 ---- AL
3 ---- ID
3 ---- MD
3 ---- NH
2 ---- Canada-ON
2 ---- Canada-QC
2 ---- CO
2 ---- KY
2 ---- LA
2 ---- Mexico
2 ---- MO
2 ---- MT
2 ---- NV
2 ---- RI
2 ---- WI
2 ---- WY
1 ---- Australia
1 ---- DC
1 ---- HI
1 ---- KS
1 ---- MS
1 ---- SC


Total Teams
155 --- CA
134 --- MI
120 --- NY
103 --- MN
96 ---- TX
67 ---- VA
64 ---- NJ
57 ---- WA
51 ---- MA
50 ---- Canada-ON
50 ---- OK
48 ---- IL
46 ---- MO
45 ---- PA
44 ---- FL
44 ---- OH
39 ---- Israel
37 ---- AZ
37 ---- CT
35 ---- IN
33 ---- OR
32 ---- GA
30 ---- CO
30 ---- NH
29 ---- MD
29 ---- WI
22 ---- SC
21 ---- HI
19 ---- KS
17 ---- LA
17 ---- NC
15 ---- UT
13 ---- DC
11 ---- ID
11 ---- MS
11 ---- NV
10 ---- TN
9 ---- AL
7 ---- Brazil
7 ---- PR
6 ---- KY
6 ---- ME
6 ---- MT
5 ---- Canada-QC
4 ---- RI
3 ---- AK
3 ---- IA
3 ---- Mexico
3 ---- ND
3 ---- NM
3 ---- VT
3 ---- WV
3 ---- WY
2 ---- DE
2 ---- United Kingdom
1 ---- AR
1 ---- Australia
1 ---- Canada-AB
1 ---- Canada-BC
1 ---- Chile
1 ---- Germany
1 ---- Netherlands
1 ---- Turkey
Here are event registration details.
(black text indicates the event is not yet at the wait list point)

Week 1 (Mar 4-6)
44 ---- San Diego Regional
59 ---- Washington DC Regional
44 ---- Peachtree Regional
38 ---- Bayou Regional
49 ---- Greater Kansas City Regional
44 ---- BAE Granite State Regional (1 fake team entry-team 156)
41 ---- Finger Lakes Regional
57 ---- Autodesk Oregon Regional
56 ---- New Jersey Regional (Mar 5-7)
37 ---- Traverse City District
33 ---- Kettering Univ. District

Week 2 (Mar 11-13)
55 ---- Arizona Regional
55 ---- Florida Regional
26 ---- WPI Regional
54 ---- Chesapeake Regional
49 ---- Wisconsin Regional
61 ---- New York City Regional (Mar 12-14)
29 ---- Pittsburgh Regional (Mar 12-13)
32 ---- Cass Tech District
34 ---- Ann Arbor District
41 ---- Israel Regional (Mar 14-16)

Week 3 (Mar 18-20)
48 ---- Silicon Valley Regional
46 ---- Midwest Regional
35 ---- Boilermaker Regional
32 ---- St. Louis Regional
52 ---- Dallas Regional
33 ---- Utah Regional
61 ---- Virginia Regional
32 ---- Detroit District
34 ---- West Michigan District

Week 4 (Mar 25-27)
26 ---- Waterloo Regional
57 ---- Los Angeles Regional
38 ---- Colorado Regional
27 ---- Hawaii Regional
49 ---- Boston Regional
45 ---- SBPLI Long Island Regional
55 ---- Buckeye Regional
53 ---- Oklahoma Regional
37 ---- Philadelphia Regional
37 ---- Palmetto Regional
55 ---- Microsoft Seattle Regional
37 ---- Troy District

Week 5 (Apr 1-3)
37 ---- Sacramento Regional (Mar 31-Apr 1)
49 ---- Greater Toronto Regional
51 ---- Connecticut Regional
62 ---- Minnesota 10000 Lakes Regional
63 ---- Minnesota North Star Regional
31 ---- North Carolina Regional
41 ---- Las Vegas Regional
63 ---- Lone Star Regional

n/a ---- Michigan State Championship
239 ---- Michigan District event totals
133 ---- Michigan team total

168 ---- FIRST Championship (1 fake team entry-team 156)

1758 ---- Total Teams
2392 ---- Event totals

[Chris is me]

It's good to see despite a seeming overabundance of teams last year in MN (60), only 5 have folded. That's a good retention rate, seems MN's creating fairly sustainable teams.

[Mark McLeod]

Just saw that team 0 has registered :eek:
Somebody might want to fix that...

[ATannahill]

Just saw that team 0 has registered :eek:
Somebody might want to fix that...
Team Nickname-2

Canadians just have to mess everything up.

[Karibou]

Now, if that team were to split...would it be dividing by zero?

[Akash Rastogi]

Now, if that team were to split...would it be dividing by zero?

ba dum ching

*face palm at PaW*

[PaW]

Now, if that team were to split...would it be dividing by zero?

Oh no! That team already exists (http://www.thebluealliance.net/tbatv/team/229)!

[lynca]

1757 total teams showing


We are at 1790 teams now, I'm surprised how many teams registered in the last few days. Christmas has started early !

[Mark McLeod]

A second team from Turkey registered today.
Team 3390 (http://frclinks.frclinks.com/team/3390) is from Ankara.

The missing Israeli teams dropped to 8.

Over the next week I expect the total count will rise above 1800, then fall back below it again continuing to retract over the next month or two as FIRST works with teams to get them on-board. It'll probably end up somewhere around 1780 teams for a net gain of a little more than 100 over last year.

Over the weekend FIRST added about 5 new team 0's, before the staff came back from the US Thanksgiving holiday and fixed those.

I count 4 Michigan teams that are also attending regionals out-of-state- 49, 217, 288, 815.

P.S. 4 more new Michigan teams have joined us.

[Raul]

... I count 4 Michigan teams that are also attending regionals out-of-state- 49, 217, 288, 815. ...

You missed at least 1. 216 is registered for Wisconsin along with 288.

[Mark McLeod]

Sorry, about that.
I'm serving on jury duty for several weeks and I've been out of touch and a little rushed.

Doesn't seem to be any movement yet on the Michigan 3rd district signups.
At least no more teams have been added to the event team lists.

Registration has coasted up to 1808 right now.

FIRST noticed that fake team 156 and removed it, so the Championship list now reflects the actual 166 teams signed up, and BAE dropped by 1 when they lost that fake team.

[Mark McLeod]

Up to 1817 now.
We are missing the same number of veteran teams that we lost last year (163), which actually puts the retention rate up ~1% over last season.

1514 teams have returned from last year. Right now retention, at 91.7% (adjusted to include 24 returnees), is the second best it has been in the history of FRC. Only 2003 had a higher retention rate (92%).

There are 279 new teams (including 51).

There are three teams from Turkey now: 2905 and rookies 3390 & 3406.

Looks like a bunch of events moved teams off their wait lists too.

[ehochstein]

Thats great! Even through a recession we can retain teams at a high rate! It shows that maybe people are starting to get that we need Science and Technology education even more than before.

[Trent B]

Minnesota's numbers have officially blown up in the past few years, they went from just a handful to over 100 (4th largest state IIRC) in 3 years.

Great to see we will have 125 teams converging on the U this year.

[Mark McLeod]

26 events updated their attendance lists today, pulling teams off the wait lists.
St. Louis dropped their open capacity to the current 35 teams. They still had almost 20 additional slots advertised before that.
Israel has almost filled up with only 4 open slots showing.
A smattering of other events show one or two open spaces.

No change in the Michigan lists reflecting any team 3rd events yet.
They did add one more team though for 138.

1824 teams showing.
If it follows past history the overall team list could continue climbing for a couple of more days until the fallout from teams not able to raise last minute funds start to decimate a handful of hopefuls.

279 new teams
1520 returnees
25 resurrected vets
157 teams missing
8.8% net growth as it currently stands
8% team lossNew teams include: 51, 78, 1749, 1754, 2000, 2704, 2949, and numbers 3123 and higher.

Resurrected vets include: 751, 814, 1015, 1056, 1065, 1221, 1372, 1457, 1610, 1695, 1863, 1949, 1951, 2049, 2203, 2213, 2232, 2566, 2598, 3135, 3146(last played 13 years ago before team numbers were assigned), 3165, 3171, 3200, 3332.
Some of these teams have chosen to take new numbers.

[Mark McLeod]

I'm back from several weeks of jury duty and can now return to this...

Registration reached a peak of 1826 teams 9 days after registration officially closed and is now gradually being whittled down as teams drop out due to lack of funds/students/mentors/administration support. A few new teams add-in regularly too.

It's drifted down to 1815 currently and will probably drift gradually lower all the way up to regionals. It bobs up and down one or two every day. (It's bobbing today everytime I go look: 1816, 1815, 1817, 1820,...)
A lot more is happening that the total reflects. For instance, on Monday the team total dropped from 1822 teams down to 1816. What happened was 6 new or returning teams added in, while 12 registered teams dropped out, so there was actually an 18 team turnover - pretty volatile.

It's sad when teams pay the fee and get the KOP only to fail to field a robot after all, through lack of mentors, students, or just enthusiasm and the required basic drive to get things done. We had a team from NYC that always comes to the LI Regional and last year while they were registered, they never showed up. They're registered to play again this year, so I'm hoping for the best.

[Mark McLeod]

Both Hawaii and Wisconsin events reached their initial capacity today.
Only Israel (5 open slots) and St. Louis haven't met their original targets.
Of course, most events now have more than their original capacity after drawing down the wait lists.

Here's a summary graph just showing when all the other events filled up and went to waitlists.

[Mark McLeod]

An interesting statistic came up in this How Many teams Attend 2 Regionals? (http://www.chiefdelphi.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=79372) thread.

For 2010:

27% of non-MI teams are signed up to attend 2+ RegionalsThis doesn't include Championship or Michigan teams, mostly because those numbers are far from settled yet.

I became interested in how this compared to last season and it appears to be a 16% deviation from where it should be, probably due to the economic downturn.

For 2009:

28% of non-MI teams attended 2+ Regionals
38% of non-MI teams attended 2+ events if we add-in the Championship
42% of all teams attended 2+ events (including Michigan teams, MI State event & Championship)For 2008 (reworked these to be comparable to '09 numbers by removing MI teams):

25% of non-MI teams attended 2+ Regionals
32% of non-MI teams attended 2+ events if we add-in the Championship
34% of all teams attended 2+ events (including Michigan teams & Championship)For 2008 if we keep everyone lumped together 27% of all teams attended 2+ Regionals, excluding the Championship.

The Michigan experiment changed the % of MI teams going to multiple events from 58% in 2008 before the district model to 99% in 2009 with the district model.

[Jon236]

I'm back from several weeks of jury duty and can now return to this...



I've served twice and only did a week each time. You must have gotten picked for a doozy. So tell us about the trial..........

[Mark McLeod]

I've served twice and only did a week each time. You must have gotten picked for a doozy. So tell us about the trial..........

This was a criminal case with a lot of medical testimony. It wasn't a pleasant experience, as it involved brain damage to a 16 month old. I had to explain "angular momentum" during deliberations.:(

I've served in two states, 7 or 8 times on criminal and civil cases. I've never served on a grand jury though. For some reason I've never been rejected by either the prosecution or defense, no matter how I answer their questions. This last time I was definitely preselected, because both sides skipped over me when questioning the pool of prospective jurors. They went through 80 potentials to get 12 and 2 alternates.

[Mark McLeod]

Registration is at 1812 teams as of today.
There are still a few teams coming and going across the board.

Over the holidays most of the Michigan event lists got fleshed out.
Just 2 teams show only single district events (2153 & 2617).
19 teams are signed up for three district events.

Here are the semi-final percentages of teams going to multiple regionals
for 2010 (about a 6% decrease overall compared to last year):

26% of non-MI teams will attend 2+ Regionals
31% of non-MI teams will attend 2+ events if we add-in the Championship
36% of all teams will attend 2+ events (including Michigan teams & Championship)Overall:
283 new teams
1508 returnees
21 resurrected vets
169 teams missing
8.1% net growth as it currently stands
9% team loss

Teams from 12 countries: US, Canada, Israel, Brazil, United Kingdom, Mexico, Turkey, Australia, Bosnia, Chile, Germany, Netherlands


Here is the net gain (new teams - lost teams) for different areas:

MN --------------- 23
TX --------------- 14
UT --------------- 11
WA --------------- 10
NC ---------------- 7
Canada-QC --------- 6
MI ---------------- 6
VA ---------------- 6
CA ---------------- 5
IN ---------------- 5
MD ---------------- 4
OR ---------------- 4
CT ---------------- 3
GA ---------------- 3
NH ---------------- 3
NJ ---------------- 3
OH ---------------- 3
TN ---------------- 3
AL ---------------- 2
AZ ---------------- 2
ID ---------------- 2
KY ---------------- 2
RI ---------------- 2
Turkey ------------ 2
WI ---------------- 2
Australia --------- 1
Bosnia ------------ 1
Canada-NC --------- 1
CO ---------------- 1
FL ---------------- 1
Israel ------------ 1
LA ---------------- 1
Mexico ------------ 1
MS ---------------- 1
MT ---------------- 1
OK ---------------- 1
WY ---------------- 1
DC ---------------- 0
MA ---------------- 0
DE ---------------- 0
AK ---------------- 0
AR ---------------- 0
Brazil ------------ 0
Canada-AB --------- 0
Chile ------------- 0
Germany ----------- 0
IA ---------------- 0
Netherlands ------- 0
VT ---------------- 0
HI --------------- -1
IL --------------- -1
KS --------------- -1
NM --------------- -1
Philippines ------ -1
SC --------------- -1
United Kingdom --- -1
WV --------------- -1
Canada-BC -------- -1
ME --------------- -1
ND --------------- -2
PA --------------- -2
NV --------------- -3
PR --------------- -3
Canada-ON -------- -4
MO --------------- -5
NY --------------- -6

[johnr]

I was wondering, out of the 168 teams that are missing, how many were 1st and/or 2nd year teams? Does First do a follow up as to why they are not on board? My guess would be that one time grants to start a team dried up in the majority of cases.

[Mark McLeod]

Here's the breakdown of this year's lost teams grouped by years of experience.
Note that teams 47 & 65 are mixed in here even though they didn't really go away, just merged.

The cause isn't always money though, especially for newish teams.
The program can be quite hard on team leaders who are often new teachers swamped by conflicting responsibilities.
FIRST would need an exit interview-type of study to categorize the reasons.


Years # Teams
Experience
1 41
2 37
3 30
4 11
5 17
6 7
7 10
8 5
9 3
10 2
11 2
12 1
13 2
14 1

[johnr]

Thanks for that quick response. Looks like money to me for first two years. Years 3,4,5 would probably be that first group of students moving on. I wonder what the 7th year spike is? Mentor burnout? I guess First would have to look back a few years to see if % is the same over time.

[Schmoebot]

We are having problems verifying registration for FTC, Madison High School in San Diego, for January 16, 2010. Does anyone know if it is TIMS or if California FTC events have been canceled? All three California FTC events show "PENDING", even the one that is passed.

Absent that, does anyone have contact information for the Madison High School FTC team that is hosting the event?

Please e-mail WHSrobotics@aol.com

Thank you!

[1986titans]

TIMS was having problems over the weekend (Related thread) (http://www.chiefdelphi.com/forums/showthread.php?t=79571).

[lynca]

Here is the net gain (new teams - lost teams) for different areas:

MN --------------- 23
TX --------------- 14
UT --------------- 11
WA --------------- 10


I want to learn more about the top 4 growth states.

Minnesota - your growth number is outstanding, please share your secrets !
Texas - money and size is a good combination
Utah - New regional, team growth is expected
Washington - Very steady growth over the years, very impressive.

Anyone else have more details about the reasons for growth in these states ?

[Madison]

I want to learn more about the top 4 growth states.

Minnesota - your growth number is outstanding, please share your secrets !
Texas - money and size is a good combination
Utah - New regional, team growth is expected
Washington - Very steady growth over the years, very impressive.

Anyone else have more details about the reasons for growth in these states ?

ETA: Re: Washington

This year and last, thanks to the efforts of team 1318 and others, there has been ~$150,000 available annually through the state's Office of the Superintendent of Public Instruction to schools participating in FRC. They provide, as I recall, $8,000 to rookie teams and a varying sum to veterans based upon need.

[Akash Rastogi]

ETA: Re: Washington

This year and last, thanks to the efforts of team 1318 and others, there has been ~$150,000 available annually through the state's Office of the Superintendent of Public Instruction to schools participating in FRC. They provide, as I recall, $8,000 to rookie teams and a varying sum to veterans based upon need.

I wish New Jersey didn't have a billion dollar deficit (http://www.nj.com/news/index.ssf/2009/11/nj_budget_short_by_at_least_80.html). That's pretty awesome that these states are able to expand FRC. Let's hope they keep it up :)

[Madison]

I wish New Jersey didn't have a billion dollar deficit (http://www.nj.com/news/index.ssf/2009/11/nj_budget_short_by_at_least_80.html). That's pretty awesome that these states are able to expand FRC. Let's hope they keep it up :)

We're in the hole just like everyone else. Our legislature just decided to take $150,000 away from something else, I suppose.

[Mark McLeod]

So Washington and Texas have government funding to stimulate the program.
What about Texas before this year's announcement of funding? You had a great growth rate last year too.

I wonder who's behind and funding the Utah expansion?

P.S. There have also been other areas, eg. Kansas City, experiencing growth spurts due to an economic shot in the arm by a champion of the FIRST program. Those stories would be nice to collect too.

I guess First would have to look back a few years to see if % is the same over time.
This particular data is at my fingertips. It's just a matter of reformatting it for the forum.
I could take it back to 1993 when 50% of the teams dropped out and they all had one year of experience. :rolleyes:
The more difficult part is correlating the dropout rate to external economic or political events, such as Washington state's $150,000 STEMulus.

2005 was a year hard hit by team losses. It lost 13% of veteran teams.
All the other years I list here represent yearly losses of 8-9%, which is average for the past decade.

Teams lost in 2009, by years of experience:

Yrs Exp. # Teams
1 56
2 34
3 23
4 13
5 7
6 8
7 7
8 5
9 4
10 1
11 2
12 1
14 1


Teams lost in 2008, by years of experience:

Yrs Exp # Teams
1 33
2 35
3 13
4 22
5 15
6 5
7 6
8 2
10 1
12 1


Teams lost in 2007, by years of experience:

Yrs Exp # Teams
1 28
2 14
3 20
4 19
5 16
6 7
7 4
8 2
9 1
10 1


Teams lost in 2006, by years of experience:

Yrs Exp # Teams
1 27
2 24
3 16
4 12
5 8
6 6
7 4
8 2
9 1
10 1
12 1


Teams lost in 2005, by years of experience:

Yrs Exp # Teams
1 42
2 43
3 27
4 6
5 5
6 5
7 3
8 2
9 1


P.S.
I should have just slapped it all into a spreadsheet so you can manipulate it if you want.

[jennifer_1547]

team 1547 wheres waldo will be going to manchester and the greater toronto regional this year :)

[Mark McLeod]

The January 15 payment deadline has passed.
In the days since, 19 events have had changes in their team lists.

Championship is down to 129 registered teams. 46 teams who originally signed up dropped the event. That's more than a quarter of the teams who signed up.

1810 teams are registered for this season.

[Karthik]

Championship is down to 129 registered teams. 46 teams who originally signed up dropped the event. That's more than a quarter of the teams who signed up.

Does anyone have any idea when they're letting the waitlisted teams into the Championship? I know they originally said mid March, but considering that there are 46 newly created spots it seems rather ridiculous to not let teams in at this point. (This is coming from someone who's team is already on the registered list)

[waialua359]

Just as important, why did 46 teams sign up for championship and drop out in such a relatively short period of time.
I can understand things that come up for a few teams here and there, but 46?
Echoing the same concerns as teams need time to decide and plan if they want and can attend.

Why wait til midMarch?

[Foster]

I'd guess that it's financial. Our funds are down this year, and from what others have said it's tough to get sponsors. We are doing all we can (why yes, I'd be happy to take your spare change, Thanks!) to keep our team moving forward.

We talked about registering for Atlanta, but passed since we didn't think we could raise the money to go. Others may have been more optimistic about raising the funds.

I'd like to see FIRST open up the wait list for teams now, the difference between a $300 airline ticket on a 30+ day reservation vs a $1000 ticket 10 days in advance is a huge cost difference for teams.

[waialua359]

I'd guess that it's financial. Our funds are down this year, and from what others have said it's tough to get sponsors. We are doing all we can (why yes, I'd be happy to take your spare change, Thanks!) to keep our team moving forward.

We talked about registering for Atlanta, but passed since we didn't think we could raise the money to go. Others may have been more optimistic about raising the funds.

I'd like to see FIRST open up the wait list for teams now, the difference between a $300 airline ticket on a 30+ day reservation vs a $1000 ticket 10 days in advance is a huge cost difference for teams.

I understand that its financial, but I'd assume its for every single team participating in FIRST. Why would teams sign up, then decide if they can or cannot get the funding in a 2-3 month period?
Funding FIRST endeavors is a big deal, and I would think teams would do it all year round, including starting right after Atlanta from the previous season.

I think the point made earlier is that it prevents other teams from making plans TO attend by not knowing where they are on that list.:)

[IndySam]

I understand that its financial, but I'd assume its for every single team participating in FIRST. Why would teams sign up, then decide if they can or cannot get the funding in a 2-3 month period?
Funding FIRST endeavors is a big deal, and I would think teams would do it all year round, including starting right after Atlanta from the previous season.

I think the point made earlier is that it prevents other teams from making plans TO attend by not knowing where they are on that list.:)

There are teams that have the funding in place and it gets pulled away. We lost a big chunk of expected money only 30 days ago. Luckily we were able to find other ways of paying for Atlanta but not every team can be that lucky.

[waialua359]

Hence, the business sustainability plan and why it should have a greater focus in FIRST. You can easily spend more time raising funds than building and competing altogether.

[RoboMom]

I understand that its financial, but I'd assume its for every single team participating in FIRST. Why would teams sign up, then decide if they can or cannot get the funding in a 2-3 month period?
Funding FIRST endeavors is a big deal, and I would think teams would do it all year round, including starting right after Atlanta from the previous season.

I think the point made earlier is that it prevents other teams from making plans TO attend by not knowing where they are on that list.:)

Teams sign up because they can. As long as FRC continues to have an open enrollment and teams are considering going to the CMP, it is in the best interest of a team to sign up when they can, buying themselves some time. I'm always amazed there aren't more teams signing up in the first day of registration.

In a perfect world, teams have all the funding in place in time. But in the real world they don't.

I know it's tough to be on a wait list, but that is the system that FRC has set up. Unfortunately the system is really tough on teams trying to plan.

[Pat Fairbank]

I think the system that was in place up until a few years ago was better, where teams were not shown as being registered for the Championship until they had made a payment (or sent a P.O. or a sponsor letter). There are plenty of teams who were sitting on the waiting list the day registration opened who were capable of paying right then, and who are still presently on the waiting list.

[Akash Rastogi]

I think the system that was in place up until a few years ago was better, where teams were not shown as being registered for the Championship until they had made a payment (or sent a P.O. or a sponsor letter). There are plenty of teams who were sitting on the waiting list the day registration opened who were capable of paying right then, and who are still presently on the waiting list.

I would have to agree, that is pretty messed up if a team still gets a spot if they can't pay and are removed from the list anyway, taking away a spot from another team. They should have just let teams who can pay on the spot register first. (Also coming from a team already registered and paid for.)

Glenn, I guess teams really need to be taught more about how to run sustainable, year-round programs? Many teams are still missing the aspect of being taught how to run a sustainable program.

[Jon Jack]

I think the system that was in place up until a few years ago was better, where teams were not shown as being registered for the Championship until they had made a payment (or sent a P.O. or a sponsor letter). There are plenty of teams who were sitting on the waiting list the day registration opened who were capable of paying right then, and who are still presently on the waiting list.

The old system was much more effective. It prevented 'spot squatters' from holding spots that other teams (who had raised the money months in advance) could have paid for the day of registration.

I know of several teams who signed up, knowing they did not have the money and probably weren't going to raise it. They took the spot anyways because it was available and hoped that some kind of miracle funding would just fall into their lap.

[Peter Matteson]

As a team currently sitting on the outside looking in, it's frustrating that won't let us know now whether we are in or not. We assume based on the number of teams registering as things were happening during registration we are in the 1st 20 on the waitlist. However we will not book tickets until we are confirmed. If we booked now we would save a substantial amount of money. I would think out of consideration for the teams offering up the spots now would make sense and would help fill out the event.

[waialua359]

Teams sign up because they can. As long as FRC continues to have an open enrollment and teams are considering going to the CMP, it is in the best interest of a team to sign up when they can, buying themselves some time. I'm always amazed there aren't more teams signing up in the first day of registration.

In a perfect world, teams have all the funding in place in time. But in the real world they don't.

I know it's tough to be on a wait list, but that is the system that FRC has set up. Unfortunately the system is really tough on teams trying to plan.
Jenny,
I understand fully what you are saying.
Not sure what you mean by more teams signing up on the first day? The opposite is what occured. **clicking the mouse button repeatedly from 5:59am and on-Hawaii time**;)
The biggest issue I'm concerned about is why change the system several years ago in how you could register for CMP? Why "punish" teams that do their homework, plan and prepare with the same sacrifices that everyone else has to in order to compete.
You would think that in the best interest of filling up CMP, those 46 slots would be open for teams on that waiting list already to decide if they can go.

Our personal concern is that, coming from Hawaii, our students get a chance to meet other teams they would normally not see during regional competitions. Hence, we place an extra emphasis in raising the funds necessary to try and go.
The sponsorships that we get doesnt come without some blood, sweat and tears literally.:)

[Mark McLeod]

Not sure what you mean by more teams signing up on the first day? The opposite is what occured. **clicking the mouse button repeatedly from 5:59am and on-Hawaii time**;)

Happy Birthday Glenn!
What a great day for a birthday, almost as good as tomorrow! :-)

On the off chance that you weren't kidding all round. I'm with Jenny in always being surprised that the open Championship slots don't fill up long before it opens to the teams who went last year. Registration for Championship was open for 20 days before the rest of us got our 30 second crack at the 20 slots left over for the teams that went last year. There aren't that many slots that 10% of FRC teams couldn't fill them, or desire to fill them.

Most years there have been open slots left on the table at the end of registration.
I only attribute the run on slots this year to a greater number of teams, static number of slots, and a registration system that is really a wish list, rather than a serious registration system.

[Eric O]

I know it's tough to be on a wait list, but that is the system that FRC has set up. Unfortunately the system is really tough on teams trying to plan.

I think this is the biggest issue. FIRST has a system which is not in the best interest of the teams. Whichever way they do sign-up (first signed up or first paid), when one of those teams drop the next team should be allowed in. In general the way the championship eligibility works is fine with me, but having 175 open registration slots on day 1 and now only having 124 (yes 5 more have dropped) means they should let more teams in.

Why is FIRST not letting these other 51 teams in? This will save teams tens of thousands of dollars by booking travel sooner rather than later. Does anyone know why FIRST wants teams to spend more going to championship? That is what they are doing.

If I were at FIRST HQ I would be worried about filling championship at all. If 51 teams had to drop out while attempting to raise money over 3 months, how are 180+ teams going to get the money in 3 weeks?

-Eric

[Travis Hoffman]

If I were at FIRST HQ I would be worried about filling championship at all. If 51 teams had to drop out while attempting to raise money over 3 months, how are 180+ teams going to get the money in 3 weeks?

-Eric

Look at it this way - keep this up, and we can go back to Disney. :p

[Wayne C.]

Look at it this way - keep this up, and we can go back to Disney. :p

naw- Disney is the home for VEX now........

My question is- when will they tell the wait list teams? (and if I do get the go ahead do I really give a $@#$@#$@#$@# about spending 4 x as much to go anyway?)

:cool:

[RoboMom]

, and a registration system that is really a wist list, rather than a serious registration system.

Bingo!
Happy Birthday to the wonderful, hardworking and very wise Mr. McLeod!
Glenn, Eric, Pat, Jon, Peter, Akash: I agree with you.
The system, as it currently exists, is enormously stressful on the teams and mentors, and it doesn't need to be. IMHO (and this is not the first time I've voiced this) it needs a major tweaking.

[Mark McLeod]

I thought there might be some hope for an early waitlist release when I read this in a FIRST email blast:
"We do have a waitlist of teams wanting to go to the Championship, so if you do not have the funding to attend please let us know so that we can give another team the opportunity."

Hope slowly dwindles...

Can there be such a thing as a pyrrhic waitlist?

P.S. "wist list" huh?
My mind is a terrible thing to lose :)

[Mark McLeod]

FIRST has opened up Championship to allow waitlisted teams to register.
Offers are going out now to the first 50 on the list with 48 hours to accept.
...and there was much rejoicing...Yea

P.S. 9 have accepted already.

[waialua359]

Wow,
I just got to work and 9 accepted already?
I noticed we couldnt do it on TIMS ourselves, so just sent in an acceptance reply to email as instructed.

We were lucky enough to have a credit to apply towards the cost.

[Mark McLeod]

Back up to 147 teams registered for Championship.
22 acceptances in 24 hours.

We have a partial credit from a grant that was going to be lost. We're trying to recover it now to help with the cost.

The Invoice got listed in TIMS as soon as FIRST acknowledged our acceptance.

It's still kind of late in our planning phase. Our fundraising cash reserves have already been allocated or earmarked, so it'll end up a more expensive trip for a fewer number of students, but the seniors are psyched. :yikes:

Our pit was empty last year as we tried out a minimalist pit to see what shipping to see what cost savings we could realize on shipping and local purchases. I think we'll be doing that again this year - maybe not so barebones this time though.:)

[Mark McLeod]

Championship is at 157 teams now.

One conclusion I draw, from the fact that FIRST set a deadline of 48 hours to accept or decline, is that the waitlist (the serious teams on it) was around 30 teams long.

This doesn't count teams that may have decided not to accept due to the late notification.

In the past week around 20 Regionals have gone up or down a team, so final funding still seems to be an issue with ~1% of teams. However, this is funding for extra events, not original competitions.

~26% of non-Michigan teams are attending a second event.
99% of Michigan teams get a second event of course.

(Thought I'd finally shut up didn't you? :rolleyes: )

[wendymom]

Not everyone on the waitlist was given an invite. So there is still a list of teams waiting to get in right?

[Mark McLeod]

If you haven't received an invite yet, then I suppose with the stated 48 hours to respond, up to an estimated 130 teams could have received invites so far.

So the waitlist must be longer than I thought.

[waialua359]

I bet some teams that got the invite are willing to go and can pay, but not in a 48 hour timeframe (commit to paying with a PO). Sort of like winning at a regional, but not being able to attend since the turnaround time for payment is short.

[Pat Fairbank]

One conclusion I draw, from the fact that FIRST set a deadline of 48 hours to accept or decline, is that the waitlist (the serious teams on it) was around 30 teams long.
I have it reliably that the waitlist had 125 teams on it in November, although presumably more than a few teams have withdrawn from it by now if they haven't come up with funding.

[Mark McLeod]

Championship registration is now at 344 teams.
It climbed steeply through the Regional events of course as a new set of winners qualified each week.

I posted this list of where the teams are all from in the Championship sub-forum, but thought it should go here so it can be found more easily next season.

I've also attached a graph of just how the Championship registration proceeded this year.
FIRST didn't completely backfill from the waitlist to bring the early Championship attendees back up to the initial 175 advertized openings.
They only brought it back up to 162 accepted and registered team, then left it there for a month.

Championship Teams are from:
# Home
35 MI
29 CA
20 NJ
20 NY
17 FL
13 CT
13 Canada
13 WI
11 TX
10 GA
10 MA
10 PA
10 VA
9 IN
9 NH
8 MD
8 MO
7 HI
7 IL
7 MN
7 OH
6 Israel
6 SC
5 CO
5 OR
4 AZ
4 ID
4 OK
4 UT
3 NC
3 RI
3 WA
2 DC
2 IA
2 KS
2 LA
2 Mexico
2 MS
2 TN
2 WV
1 AL
1 AR
1 DE
1 ME
1 MT
1 ND
1 Australia
1 Brazil

[rsisk]

Looks like someone was drawing the lower portion of Texas around January.

Why the plateau in the middle of March?

[Chris is me]

It'd be interesting to compare the ratio of teams attending championship versus all teams from each state, to see who is proportionately the best represented state.

[Mark McLeod]

Here's the list sorted by the percentage of teams attending Championship.
Arkansas and Australia win hands down...:)

Total .. @Champ ........... % @ Champ
1 ............ 1 .......... -- ......... 100.0% .......... AR
1 ............ 1 .......... -- ......... 100.0% .......... Australia
4 ............ 3 .......... -- .......... 75.0% .......... RI
3 ............ 2 .......... -- .......... 66.7% .......... IA
3 ............ 2 .......... -- .......... 66.7% .......... Mexico
3 ............ 2 .......... -- .......... 66.7% .......... WV
2 ............ 1 .......... -- .......... 50.0% .......... DE
31 .......... 13 .......... -- .......... 41.9% .......... WI
43 .......... 17 .......... -- .......... 39.5% .......... FL
11 ........... 4 .......... -- .......... 36.4% .......... ID
37 .......... 13 .......... -- .......... 35.1% .......... CT
3 ............ 1 .......... -- .......... 33.3% .......... ND
31 .......... 10 .......... -- .......... 32.3% .......... GA
64 .......... 20 .......... -- .......... 31.3% .......... NJ
30 ........... 9 .......... -- .......... 30.0% .......... NH
24 ........... 7 .......... -- .......... 29.2% .......... HI
22 ........... 6 .......... -- .......... 27.3% .......... SC
30 ........... 8 .......... -- .......... 26.7% .......... MD
34 ........... 9 .......... -- .......... 26.5% .......... IN
16 ........... 4 .......... -- .......... 25.0% .......... UT
141 ......... 35 .......... -- .......... 24.8% .......... MI
45 .......... 10 .......... -- .......... 22.2% .......... PA
10 ........... 2 .......... -- .......... 20.0% .......... TN
5 ............ 1 .......... -- .......... 20.0% .......... Brazil
66 .......... 13 .......... -- .......... 19.7% .......... Canada
52 .......... 10 .......... -- .......... 19.2% .......... MA
153 ......... 29 .......... -- .......... 19.0% .......... CA
47 ........... 8 .......... -- .......... 17.0% .......... MO
119 ......... 20 .......... -- .......... 16.8% .......... NY
18 ........... 3 .......... -- .......... 16.7% .......... NC
12 ........... 2 .......... -- .......... 16.7% .......... MS
6 ............ 1 .......... -- .......... 16.7% .......... ME
6 ............ 1 .......... -- .......... 16.7% .......... MT
45 ........... 7 .......... -- .......... 15.6% .......... IL
46 ........... 7 .......... -- .......... 15.2% .......... OH
66 .......... 10 .......... -- .......... 15.2% .......... VA
33 ........... 5 .......... -- .......... 15.2% .......... OR
35 ........... 5 .......... -- .......... 14.3% .......... CO
15 ........... 2 .......... -- .......... 13.3% .......... DC
51 ........... 6 .......... -- .......... 11.8% .......... Israel
17 ........... 2 .......... -- .......... 11.8% .......... LA
9 ............ 1 .......... -- .......... 11.1% .......... AL
104 ........ 11 .......... -- .......... 10.6% .......... TX
39 ........... 4 .......... -- .......... 10.3% .......... AZ
20 ........... 2 .......... -- .......... 10.0% .......... KS
49 ........... 4 .......... -- .......... 8.2% .......... OK
105 .......... 7 .......... -- .......... 6.7% .......... MN
59 ........... 3 .......... -- .......... 5.1% .......... WA
3 ............. 0 .......... -- .......... 0.0% .......... AK
1 ............. 0 .......... -- .......... 0.0% .......... Bosnia
1 ............. 0 .......... -- .......... 0.0% .......... Chile
1 ............. 0 .......... -- .......... 0.0% .......... Germany
6 ............. 0 .......... -- .......... 0.0% .......... KY
1 ............. 0 .......... -- .......... 0.0% .......... Netherlands
3 ............. 0 .......... -- .......... 0.0% .......... NM
12 ........... 0 .......... -- .......... 0.0% .......... NV
3 ............. 0 .......... -- .......... 0.0% .......... PR
3 ............. 0 .......... -- .......... 0.0% .......... Turkey
2 ............. 0 .......... -- .......... 0.0% .......... United Kingdom
3 ............. 0 .......... -- .......... 0.0% .......... VT
3 ............. 0 .......... -- .......... 0.0% .......... WY

[Tristan Lall]

Here's the list sorted by the percentage of teams attending Championship.
Arkansas and Australia win hands down...:)So who are the Australians, and why are they not on the team list (https://my.usfirst.org/myarea/index.lasso?page=event_teamlist&eid=3343&programs=FRC&season_FRC=2010)?

[Josh Drake]

So who are the Australians, and why are they not on the team list (https://my.usfirst.org/myarea/index.lasso?page=event_teamlist&eid=3343&programs=FRC&season_FRC=2010)?

3132 from Sydney

[thefro526]

So who are the Australians, and why are they not on the team list (https://my.usfirst.org/myarea/index.lasso?page=event_teamlist&eid=3343&programs=FRC&season_FRC=2010)?

They are listed, it's Team 3132, and their location is listed as : "Sydney, New South Wales, Other"

I guess the team list doesn't like to display Australia?

[Mark McLeod]

So who are the Australians, and why are they not on the team list (https://my.usfirst.org/myarea/index.lasso?page=event_teamlist&eid=3343&programs=FRC&season_FRC=2010)?

You'll get to meet them! They're in the Division you're responsible for.

...Tristan Lall will be on Galileo.

[Mark McLeod]

One last note of 2010 potential interest...

Here are the percentages of teams who attended an extra event each week.

Week 1 of course no one had ever played before so that's 0% (pre-ship scrimmages excluded).
Most Michigan teams appeared to play their first event in the beginning two weekends.

Prior-experienced teams were not evenly distribution across competitions, so Minnesota's double blockbusters for the whole state in week 5 didn't see as high a percentage of pre-tempered robots and drive teams as other regional rich areas. Also, in week 5 a large block of teams were at the Michigan State Championship where everyone had played before - that skews the results a bit.

Week 1 Week 2 Week 3 Week 4 Week 5
Teams playing 548 468 396 556 493
Regionals 0% 6.7% 17.8% 35.5% 42.1%
Districts 0% 31.3% 96.3% 100% 100%
Combined 0% 10.9% 33.8% 40.1% 49.7%
At the Championship the overall team average was 1.69 prior events under each team's belt. Only 144 of the 344 teams had only played at one Regional before meeting in Atlanta.
Of course, one of the Einstein Champions (177) was one of those single Regional teams.
The winning alliance had an average of 2.0 prior events.
The runners-up had a 2.67 event average.

So, you don't have to go to a lot of events, but at least two seems to make a difference.