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Anyone know a robot that was just amazing at something? Perhaps it had the strongest drive train, most unorthodox approach to the game, fastest scorer, or anything else noteworthy?
These can be new or old records, but I'd prefer they be a bit more then "check out this robot, its strong" Please give an example of something that made it amazing or something to back it up.
The example that made me choose to start this thread is below. It is a story of a team that literally built their robot in 10 hours at championship. I think this has to be the fastest build of a competitive robot in FIRST.
http://www.chiefdelphi.com/forums/showthread.php?t=27919
The example that made me choose to start this thread is below. It is a story of a team that literally built their robot in 10 hours at championship. I think this has to be the fastest build of a competitive robot in FIRST.
http://www.chiefdelphi.com/forums/showthread.php?t=27919There's been a 6-hour one out here. SVR 2001; team in question, 692's rookie robot. They made their last practice match. That's probably the fastest team build, too--the team barely had anything during the build season, IIRC.
Largest competitive collaboration would have to go to the NiagraFIRST Triplets (1114, 1503, 1680) at three teams. I can't think of a single example of another three-team collaboration, let alone one that did so well.
Jon Jack
13-11-2009, 16:11
Largest competitive collaboration would have to go to the NiagraFIRST Triplets (1114, 1503, 16__) at three teams. I can't think of a single example of another three-team collaboration, let alone one that did so well.
The third team was 1680.
Andrew Schreiber
13-11-2009, 16:15
Best strategic use of a game element has to go to 67 (http://www.chiefdelphi.com/media/photos/17609) And related to that, most impressive human player from 2004 goes to 1241. I think I saw them miss 2 shots in all the matches I watched.
I'll post more when I think of them.
Chris is me
13-11-2009, 16:56
1902 was part of a 3 way collab with 1251 and some other team this year too. If I were a Floridian I'd remember, whoops.
I'd argue 987 pushing a tube onto 71's ramps in the last seconds of Einstein Final 3 is also a contender for best strategic use of a game object (if that was intentional, sure looked like it).
Highest score ever: 710 points (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=THGPSiMNfCI) as far as I know.
Akash Rastogi
13-11-2009, 17:08
1902 was part of a 3 way collab with 1251 and some other team this year too.
Team 408.
Amazing Robots:
71 2002, 60 2002 (60 Couldn't really be beaten until they met 71)
111 2003 Autonomous (StangPS (http://www.wildstang.org/main/stangps.php))
1114 2008
See the "History of First" PPT Here (http://andymark.biz/presentations.html) for more
Most Championship Wins: 71
Most Regional Wins: 254
Teams who have won a regional every year (not rookies or second year): 1983, 2056, 254
Longest winning streak (of one regional): 254 (8 consecutive years, Silicon Valley)
Most Blue Banners: 71/254 Tied with 22
Chris Fultz
13-11-2009, 21:50
Longest time in FIRST - 20, 45, 126, 148, 151, 190, 191
Most Championship Chairman's - 191 (2)
(with the new rules this could change!)
Team Titanium (1986) made an awesome catapult last year !
Check out the announcer on Blue Alliance !
http://www.thebluealliance.net/tbatv/match/2009arc_qm32
Billfred
13-11-2009, 22:24
Easiest thirty points ever: a broken 1755 starting the match atop a similarly-broken 1850 (http://www.chiefdelphi.com/media/photos/27756) during a qualification match at the 2007 Midwest Regional. (Video on TBA here (http://www.thebluealliance.net/tbatv/match/2007il_qm42).) Faced with a 1v3 match, their third partner (you (http://www.chiefdelphi.com/media/photos/32952) might've heard (http://www.chiefdelphi.com/media/photos/28855) of them (http://www.chiefdelphi.com/media/photos/16240)) made use of a Q&A ruling (http://forums.usfirst.org/showthread.php?t=1280) that declared stacking robots at the start of a match legal. The plan worked--the alliance won 46-10.
The strategy was banned the very next week (http://www2.usfirst.org/2007comp/Updates/2007%20Team%20Update%2018.pdf).
1902 was part of a 3 way collab with 1251 and some other team this year too. If I were a Floridian I'd remember, whoops.
I'd argue 987 pushing a tube onto 71's ramps in the last seconds of Einstein Final 3 is also a contender for best strategic use of a game object (if that was intentional, sure looked like it).
Highest score ever: 710 points (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=THGPSiMNfCI) as far as I know.
Push of tube was great intentional last second call of Marc Rogers, our drivers coach who had seen numerous examples during matches of bots having difficulty getting on ramps when tubes had fallen on decks. He saw opportunity to help one wind up on deck and I would have to agree it ranks among the best uses of game object ever (not that I am biased;) )
Rion Atkinson
13-11-2009, 23:05
My team didn't really accomplish an engineering feat or anything of the sorts. But we did mannage to jump from dead last place (Out of about 45 teams maybe?) In 2008. To 8th place in the semis this year.
P.S. Joe. Thatwas one of the greats matches I've ever watched. The tube was amazing.
waialua359
13-11-2009, 23:07
Yes.
Marc Rogers is truly one of the best coaches out there.
I'd be nervous if he was my coach. Very intense.
Certainly the best 8th seed alliance ever at Championships.
254 is the best team never to win at Championships. Not even a close second.
254 is the best team never to win at Championships. Not even a close second.233 takes the second, I think.
dtengineering
13-11-2009, 23:32
We had a discussion a while earlier about the most isolated team in FRC.
http://www.chiefdelphi.com/forums/showthread.php?t=78238&highlight=most+isolated+team
I'd be interested in seeing who travels the greatest distance during a full FRC season.
Another one... what is the greatest distance ever driven to get to a regional? How about to a Championship? Teams with eternal bus trips... speak up!
What is the greatest number of consecutive seasons in which a team has:
a) Qualified for Championships by winning a regional or regional chairman's award?
b) Won an official FRC award of any description. (We're on a five year streak... not bad for a six year old team... but I know there are some much, much longer "winning streaks" out there.)
Actually... this is the sort of thing that belongs on a wiki, isn't it?
Jason
Nuttyman54
13-11-2009, 23:41
Most recent rookie to win championships:
Team 100 in 1995
190, 987, 177: Only 8th seed alliance to win a division (and championships)
Longest streak of appearances on Einstein: 177 Bobcats (2006-2009)
Longest undefeated streak in a season: 67 HOT in 2009 with 38 straight matches
Most gold medals in a season: 6 gold medals (67 HOT in 2005 and 2009 and 1114 in 2008)
Another one... what is the greatest distance ever driven to get to a regional? How about to a Championship? Teams with eternal bus trips... speak up!Team 60's Drive to Atlanta this year was pretty far.
ATannahill
13-11-2009, 23:53
b) Won an official FRC award of any description.
Jason
We have won at least one for the last 8 years (all 12 years except 2001). I have gone back as far as I could and any records before 2002 are choppy and unreliable.
330 has at least one per year since 2001, counting regional wins/finalists. I'd have to ask the veterans if we won anything in 2000; if we did, the streak goes back to 1999.
Mark McLeod
14-11-2009, 00:02
We have won at least one for the last 8 years (all 12 years except 2001). I have gone back as far as I could and any records before 2002 are choppy and unreliable.
It's not hard to find these things out...:yikes:
2009 FL Motorola Quality Award
2009 FL Regional Finalist
2009 North Star - Kleiner Perkins Caufield & Byers Entrepreneurship Award
2009 North Star - Motorola Quality Award
2009 North Star - Regional Winner
2008 FL Motorola Quality Award
2007 FL Regional Chairman's Award
2007 NV J&J Sportsmanship
2007 CMP Xerox Creativity
2007 CMP Finalist - Galileo Division
2006 NV Regional Chairman's Award
2006 FL Regional Champion
2005 CMP Judge's Award
2005 FL Regional Chairman's Award
2004 FL DaimlerChrysler Team Spirit
2004 CO DaimlerChrysler Team Spirit
2004 CO GM Industrial Design
2004 CO Regional Chairman's Award
2003 NH KPC&B Entrepreneurship
2003 FL Regional Finalist
2003 FL Regional Chairman's Award
2003 NH KPC&B Entrepreunership
2002 IL Finalist
2002 IL Judge's Award
2000 FL Imagery
1999 FL Outstanding Defense
1998 TX Rookie All-Star Award
330 has at least one per year since 2001, counting regional wins/finalists. I'd have to ask the veterans if we won anything in 2000; if we did, the streak goes back to 1999.
330 was a 2000 CA Finalist
a) Qualified for Championships by winning a regional or regional chairman's award?
b) Won an official FRC award of any description. (We're on a five year streak... not bad for a six year old team... but I know there are some much, much longer "winning streaks" out there.)
I'm pretty sure both of those go to 254, who has won regionals for 11 straight years (every single year). I went through checking the teams you might think would match or pass them. The only two who had awards listed all the way back to 2001 (limit of records on US First) were 111 and 68 (who had one year were the only listed accomplishment was a student's scholarship). (I'm sure I forgot to check a few "major" teams who have been around since the number lock.)
EDIT: found one, 469, but they have only been around since 2000
Ian Curtis
14-11-2009, 01:02
Buzz (175) has won at least one regional/field for the past 10 years. Except that one year, when they won the Chairman's award (this was prior to the existence of the Regional Chairman's award). :ahh:
Team Hammond (71) has 5 Championship/National Finals appearances (1997, 2001, 2002, 2004, 2007), with 4 Championship/National wins (1997, 2001, 2002, 2004). As Dave Verbrugge pointed out, Beatty has now graduated two freshman classes who never saw a Championship win, but they have yet to graduate one who hasn't seen a Championship finals appearance, a feat no other team has come close to matching.
Hyper (69) (http://www.chiefdelphi.com/media/photos/17372) had quite the 2004. Their robot never lost a match in two regionals. They tied a match or two, and their elimination alliances lost a match or two when HYPER was sitting out.* Unfortunately, they elected not to go to the Championship that year, as if they did I'd imagine they were on crash course with the Beatty Beast. Obviously, it's impressive, but even more uniquely, it didn't have a collecting mechanism for the 5 point balls. Instead, it was well equipped for the 50 point bonus for hanging from a 10 foot chin-up bar, and capping the goals with the big yellow Doubler Ball (which, doubled the points value of the balls in that goal). Does anyone have a better picture of HYPER from 2004? Hyper also took a nasty spill that year. One of the biggest audience reactions I remember from the past 6 years. (http://www.chiefdelphi.com/media/img/f2e/f2eb84e43cba5876b8bfef38bda398dd_l.jpg)
*In 2004, matches were played with 2 robots on the field, but alliances consisted of one team, so one robot was left sitting out.
Team Titanium (1986) made an awesome catapult last year !
Check out the announcer on Blue Alliance !
http://www.thebluealliance.net/tbatv/match/2009arc_qm32
Here's a better view of the catapult making some shots.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L-eQgjjvxDk
I'd be interested in seeing who travels the greatest distance during a full FRC season.
Well, I don't know about the greatest distance traveled, but I do know the shortest!
Team 1967 Janksters walks to and from SVR every day of competition since our school campus is only 10-15 minutes walking distance from the SJSU Event Center :)
Chris is me
14-11-2009, 03:03
a) Qualified for Championships by winning a regional or regional chairman's award?
I think 236 won 7 times? At least, they've won every year there's been an RCA.
waialua359
14-11-2009, 03:18
330 has at least one per year since 2001, counting regional wins/finalists. I'd have to ask the veterans if we won anything in 2000; if we did, the streak goes back to 1999.
Yes, they were part of the San Jose Regional finalists.
It was 330 (#1 seed, I believe), 368 and 359 (both Hawaii rookies), against 60, 254, and I dont remember.....who won the regional. I was there screaming my lungs out. ;)
Well, I don't know about the greatest distance traveled, but I do know the shortest!
Team 1967 Janksters walks to and from SVR every day of competition since our school campus is only 10-15 minutes walking distance from the SJSU Event Center :)Thats pretty close, but there might be some events hosted at the same location where a team works.
For example, SVR used to be hosted at NASA Ames where 254 works... (It was still probably a 10 minute walk across base).
Rob Colatutto
14-11-2009, 11:48
Thats pretty close, but there might be some events hosted at the same location where a team works.
For example, SVR used to be hosted at NASA Ames where 254 works... (It was still probably a 10 minute walk across base).
WPI is hosting a regional this year, and their campus is not too large. I'd give them a 5 minute walk from their shop to the field house, tops.
Jake Wiedemann
14-11-2009, 12:24
Team 1787 got the Zerox Creativity award 2 years in a row, for our 2008 hoop herdier robot, and our 2009 wood, duck tape, and zip tie robot. Also, on the 2009 robot, we mananged to install our convayer belt in 10 minutes and had it up and running in under a half hour.
I know everyone wants in a record book and tell of their accomplishments. But please don't pat yourself on the back too hard here. The point of this thread is to talk about amazing feats. True, you might have accomplished something amazing. But unless someone else finds it noteworthy enough to post, please refrain from discussing it yourself. This just makes a person look like a bit self centered. Sure, you might have done good. Making it to championships is great. But how many teams have gone? That isn't exactly a record.
Sorry if this post is out of line. I just would like to keep this thread from becoming a "hey, look what I did" thread.
How about teams that went undefeated (until championship) in a single season, but participated in more than one regional?
Billfred
14-11-2009, 14:32
How about teams that went undefeated (until championship) in a single season, but participated in more than one regional?
25 in 2006 comes to mind immediately. They went through New Jersey, Las Vegas, and Friday in Atlanta before taking their first loss of the season on Saturday morning.
Andrew Schreiber
14-11-2009, 14:47
Well, I don't know about the greatest distance traveled, but I do know the shortest!
Team 1967 Janksters walks to and from SVR every day of competition since our school campus is only 10-15 minutes walking distance from the SJSU Event Center :)
397 is <1 miles away from Kettering District I wouldn't want to measure walking distance, it is cold during competition season. 1506 is in the building across the street and can take the tunnel most of the way to the competition. (For anyone who hasn't seen KU/heard about it, we have a tunnel that goes to 3/5 of our buildings so going outside is nearly completely optional)
Alexa Stott
14-11-2009, 14:48
In terms of highest score in a match, I think it's pretty hard to judge year-to-year due to physical limitations on scoring (i.e. a limited number of game pieces), as well as the actual point value of the game piece in question. In 2006, every time a ball was scored, it could be recycled onto the field and scored again, which led to some extremely high scores. However, in 2009, there was a limited supply of moon rocks; once they were scored, they were scored, and could not be re-entered into the field of play. In 2008, a single hurdle could get your team 8 points, whereas in 2007, the scoring system was slightly more complicated in that it was dependent on the number of tubes in a row or column.
Nuttyman54
14-11-2009, 19:28
WPI is hosting a regional this year, and their campus is not too large. I'd give them a 5 minute walk from their shop to the field house, tops.
Not even that, more like 1 minute.
Also, I believe the most number of awards earned by a single team in a season goes to 64 The Gila Monsters, with 13 in 2005.
Dan 1038
15-11-2009, 19:23
As far as dominant robots go, it is hard to argue against Team 1114, Simbotics, in 2008. Three regional championships and then the World Champions. Doesn't get much more dominant than that! Just check out Blue Alliance (http://www.thebluealliance.net/tbatv/team/1114/2008) to see how dominent they were, we know as we ran into them twice during the season... Unfortunately for us!
BrendanB
15-11-2009, 19:39
As far as dominant robots go, it is hard to argue against Team 1114, Simbotics, in 2008. Three regional championships and then the World Champions. Doesn't get much more dominant than that! Just check out Blue Alliance (http://www.thebluealliance.net/tbatv/team/1114/2008) to see how dominent they were, we know as we ran into them twice during the season... Unfortunately for us!
Eh. This is an interesting topic. Yes 1114 was very good in 2008, but I wouldn't say that they were the best robot from that year (16, 67, and 330 immediately come to mind) and I would not call them dominant. I would say that dominant would be every tournament you went to you won without any loses and faced some really good teams in the process. Several teams that year were able to stop them with defense that season, if those teams hadn't played defense they would have won.
These are my thoughts on the matter, other people will have their opinions on these statements, but I don't believe that just because they won 3 regionals and a championship means that they are dominant robot. 1024 also won 3 regionals and made it to einstein as well.
1114- Good robot? Definitely a strong robot.
1114- Dominant? No, they were not the best on the field.
my $0.02
Andrew Schreiber
15-11-2009, 19:45
1114- Good robot? Definitely a strong robot.
1114- Dominant? No, they were not the best on the field.
my $0.02
I have to agree but only due to poor terminology. 1114 was not the best robot they were the best team. 1114 did not win because their robot was "made of pure win" they won because they knew how to play the game. They scouted, they practiced, they strategized, and they executed. Winning a match is not something a robot does, winning is a team effort that requires the cooperation of dozens of individuals.
Dave Flowerday
15-11-2009, 20:20
b) Won an official FRC award of any description. (We're on a five year streak... not bad for a six year old team... but I know there are some much, much longer "winning streaks" out there.)
Wildstang has at least one award trophy from every year in the program all the way back to 1996.
A bunch of teams got together at the 2009 SD regional and built a robot for a team from Brazil (3032) in about 6 hours. I don't think anyone timed it but that has to be close to a record.
It was a completely student driven effort and a great display of caring amongst several teams. Team 3032 passed inspection on Friday morning and ended up in about 18th place, if I remember correctly.
Beth Sweet
15-11-2009, 21:42
Team 67- First team to win on Einstein and Championship Chairmans in the same year (2005)
Chris is me
15-11-2009, 21:59
I have to agree but only due to poor terminology. 1114 was not the best robot they were the best team. 1114 did not win because their robot was "made of pure win" they won because they knew how to play the game. They scouted, they practiced, they strategized, and they executed. Winning a match is not something a robot does, winning is a team effort that requires the cooperation of dozens of individuals.
I've got to ask, can you name a better 2008 robot? 1114 was in my mind the best robot / drive team combination, but I can't think of a robot better suited to playing Overdrive than 1114's robot.
I would say that dominant would be every tournament you went to you won without any loses and faced some really good teams in the process. Several teams that year were able to stop them with defense that season, if those teams hadn't played defense they would have won.
7 losses all season isn't dominant? They won Midwest, a stacked event with 16 / 1024 / 33 / 111 / 71; went an entire regional without scoring under 100 points (GTR), undefeated in a VERY stacked division, and it took an unfortunate tipped teammate to give them their only loss in Atlanta. I fail to see how that's anything short of dominant. If anything, 1114 was one of the best at scoring THROUGH defense in 2008. I just don't get how you can look at their record and go "well they were good but not amazing"
Even Beatty 2002 lost matches.
If anything, 1114 was one of the best at scoring THROUGH defense in 2008. I just don't get how you can look at their record and go "well they were good but not amazing"
I'm with Chris. Most dominant robot I have seen in my six years of FIRST.
Akash Rastogi
15-11-2009, 22:19
I've got to ask, can you name a better 2008 robot? 1114 was in my mind the best robot / drive team combination, but I can't think of a robot better suited to playing Overdrive than 1114's robot.
Better robot from 08? IMHO:
71, 254, 968, 217, & 1625
I'm with Chris. Most dominant robot I have seen in my six years of FIRST.
But like Andrew said, you couldn't beat the robot/driver/team combination, if you really think about it, Simbotics was the most dominant team in 2008. Its not about the robot, its how you use the robot that counts.
Again, in my opinion, telling someone that they have the most dominant TEAM is more of a compliment than just telling them they have a dominant robot.
Eugene Fang
15-11-2009, 22:22
I'm with Chris. Most dominant robot I have seen in my six years of FIRST.
Agreed.
Their scoring in teleop might have been on par with about half a dozen teams out there, but the consistency of their auton was unmatched.
Chris is me
15-11-2009, 22:27
But like Andrew said, you couldn't beat the robot/driver/team combination, if you really think about it, Simbotics was the most dominant team in 2008. Its not about the robot, its how you use the robot that counts.
I'm mostly speaking from a strictly "all other things equal" comparison (which I should have made to clear and I guess isn't very simple to accurately judge) in terms of the robot. Given 1114's drive team, strategy, scouting, pit crew, and... team, they could have won the Championship with several 2008 robots.
Anyway, back to records now, shall we? Can anyone contest Wildstang for most consecutive "trophy year"s?
Akash Rastogi
15-11-2009, 22:30
I'm mostly speaking from a strictly "all other things equal" comparison (which I should have made to clear and I guess isn't very simple to accurately judge) in terms of the robot. Given 1114's drive team, strategy, scouting, pit crew, and... team, they could have won the Championship with several 2008 robots.
Anyway, back to records now, shall we? Can anyone contest Wildstang?
Which is exactly what we were saying. ;)
BrendanB
15-11-2009, 23:43
Okay so you all have made some pretty good statements. Yes I will say that team 1114 was the dominant team not robot in 2008. We sat in front of them at IRI in 2008. Their scouts had these huge binders each and our team had a simple sheet of paper for each team the entire weekend, and it was very intimidating for us;) . 1114 has a very strong team altogether, but I will stand behind what I said that they had a good robot, not dominant.
@chris- Yes they had 7 losses all season, but that doesn't mean they are unstoppable. Midwest had some pretty good teams there, but they weren't scoring 120+ points a match. 111, 1625, and 16 brought a lot up against them but they did overcome it. Now as for GTR and Waterloo. Those are two regionals which (please these are my thoughts and feelings on these regionals from 2008, not all the time) had little competition against 1114. Together with 2056 anyone could bet that there would be little to no opposition against them. So those two regionals were easish wins, but they were still earned by them.
Just remember everyone, what I said is based on what I have seen both personally and online. Believe me, and my mother will vouch for me. 2008 I watched way too many videos than I probable should have, and those were the conclusions that I have come up with.
Paul Copioli
16-11-2009, 01:02
BrendanB,
You have a right to your opinion, but in my 10 years of FIRSTonly two robots come to mind with the word domination: 71 in 2001 and 1114 in 2008.
No one else was even close during the regular season. You can't make a judgment based on what you saw at IRI. I saw these guys all season and they dominated the field. On Galileo, they were unstoppable. Both 16 and 67 were against them in the finals on Einstein and we all know how that turned out. Pretty much any two robots from Galileo matched with 1114 would have made it out of that division. We called it the Simbot Lottery.
Paul
Better robot from 08? IMHO:
71, 254, 968, 217, & 1625I do love our 08 Robot, Barricade, but I would say that 1114's was a better design for Overdrive.
1114's 2008 robot was amazing. They might have been beatable in a few matches, but when paired with another good team, they were pretty much unstoppable. Sure, if they had come out of Galileo with no scoring alliance partners and were up against 968/233 and 67/16 they could probably be beat, but thats besides the point as their dominance assured them that they would be able to pick another good robot.
The only other robots that I have heard of which came close to that dominance were teams 71 and 60 in 2002 (71 eventually beating 60 at the Championship). 1114 2008 is certainly the most dominant robot in my time in FIRST, but 2 seasons isn't saying too much.
Wayne TenBrink
16-11-2009, 08:15
Most matches ever played by a robot in a season?
During Lunacy (thanks to the MI district format), teams 67 and 1918 each played 87 matches between districts, State, and the Championship.
Including post-season competitions (TARDEC/IGVC, MARC, and WMRI), Team 1918 played a total of 141 matches.
I think that may be the most. Does anybody know of a robot that has played more?
EricLeifermann
16-11-2009, 10:06
Most matches ever played by a robot in a season?
During Lunacy (thanks to the MI district format), teams 67 and 1918 each played 87 matches between districts, State, and the Championship.
Including post-season competitions (TARDEC/IGVC, MARC, and WMRI), Team 1918 played a total of 141 matches.
I think that may be the most. Does anybody know of a robot that has played more?
Probably 217 they did go to the midwest regional as well as the district comps, states, and champs.
Andrew Schreiber
16-11-2009, 10:44
Probably 217 they did go to the midwest regional as well as the district comps, states, and champs.
Nope, HOT beats 217 by (drum roll please) 1 match. 99 vs 98.
Peter Matteson
16-11-2009, 12:02
I believe 111 in 2009 is the only team to win a Championship without losing a match at the Championship event i.e. 17-0.
177 has the most Einstein appearances at 5.
71 and 217 have 4 each.
25, 177 and 217 each have won 3 different Championship divisions.
25 needs Galileo
177 needs Curie
217 needs Newton
James Dowd
16-11-2009, 12:18
You have a right to your opinion, but in my 10 years of FIRSTonly two robots come to mind with the word domination: 71 in 2001 and 1114 in 2008.
Paul
I actually sat out the 2008 season, so I can't comment on that, but almost a decade later, I'll never forget how dominant that 71 machine from 2001 was.
Wayne TenBrink
16-11-2009, 12:25
Regarding the most matches in a season: The Blue Alliance data includes the IRI. During the "regular season", HOT played 87 matches and the Thunder Chickens played 85. I believe that both attended other post-season competitions in addition to the IRI, so their "overall" totals would be more than what shows on TBA.
Regarding dominant robots: Team 71 in 2001 was long before my time in FRC, but the fact that so many people still talk about it says a lot. Team 1114 in 2008 was the most dominant I have seen. Both these robots were able to "dominate" because they had a strong organization and a unique design. Every year it seems that most robot designs can be lumped into certain "types". In 2008, there were a lot of good hurdlers, but the Simbot dominated because its simple and effective ball collector was't just the best of its "type" - it was the only one of it's type and it worked great! From what I hear, the same was true of Team 71's robot in 2001 - it was the only one of its "type" and it worked great. You can have an excellent machine, but its hard to dominate when it is just the best its "type". A lot of "unique" machines do poorly (we have the experience to prove that!). However, when you come up with the killer design that others missed, and your team behind knows how make the most of it, then you can truly dominate the field.
Collin Fultz
16-11-2009, 13:01
I'm gonna have to throw 71's 2002 walking bot in the discussion for dominance as well. It probably doesn't show in their match results, but that's because the scoring was different then.
In 2002, your score for a match you won was something like (Your Score) + 2*(Opponent's Score), so you wanted to win a very close match (like now but on steroids). If you lost it was 2X your score or something like that. Winning the individual match was almost secondary. Hammond's bot wasn't designed for this type of scoring. It was designed to do one thing, dominate each match. The Qualification rounds were basically a tournament to determine who'd get to draft The Beast.
I remember, very distinctly, sitting in our brainstorming rooms shortly after kick-off, and our lead mentor saying, "Just wait until you freshmen see Hammond walking down the field juggling all three trailers." Little did he know how right he'd be.
I'm also in agreement that 1114's 2008 bot (and team) was one of THE BEST ever. Their average margin of victory was something like 63 points; whereas their average margin of defeat was around 12. There's also something to be said that they only lost 2 matches all year when they got to pick their partners.
177 has the most Einstein appearances at 5.
71 and 217 have 4 each.71 ties 177 for Einstein appearances; they took Finalist in 2007 to go along with those four wins. They lost that year to none other than 177, 987, and 190.
Number of Championship wins:
71: 4 (and a finalist)
217, 67, 111, 148: 2 each; 67 and 111 have the added bonus of the Chairman's Award
All other championship winners have one win each.
Peter Matteson
16-11-2009, 14:14
71 ties 177 for Einstein appearances; they took Finalist in 2007 to go along with those four wins.
Incorrect 71's first Championship was 1997 before Einstein was the final four division. Einstein and divisions came into existence in 2001. Also that would still make it 6 to 5, 71 knocked 177 out in the championship semi-final that year which would equate to the first round on Einstein.
XaulZan11
16-11-2009, 17:15
Both these robots were able to "dominate" because they had a strong organization and a unique design. Every year it seems that most robot designs can be lumped into certain "types". In 2008, there were a lot of good hurdlers, but the Simbot dominated because its simple and effective ball collector was't just the best of its "type" - it was the only one of it's type and it worked great! From what I hear, the same was true of Team 71's robot in 2001 - it was the only one of its "type" and it worked great. You can have an excellent machine, but its hard to dominate when it is just the best its "type". A lot of "unique" machines do poorly (we have the experience to prove that!). However, when you come up with the killer design that others missed, and your team behind knows how make the most of it, then you can truly dominate the field.
What exactly made 1114's design 'one of a kind'? 503's robot was very similar overall. There pickup, which you mention, was very similar to 1625 (who had two rollers not one).
I contend that 1114 was not sucessful only because of their design. I'm sure you could have given 1114's design to every team at kickoff and only a very select few teams would be as good. 1114's attention to detail, drive for sucess, driver practice and stratedy was what made them different. Every time they had a match, you knew they would have the best strategy, get atleast 4 lines with 2 balls knocked down, and would get atleast 4 hurdles. Teams could have similar autonomous points or have the same amount of hurdles, but no team could do both of them nearly every single match. It wouldn't be fair for me to speak about any team before 2006, but since Aim High, there has been no team close to how dominate 1114 was in 2008.
Arefin Bari
16-11-2009, 17:36
I just wanted to throw it out there that it is a fact that 1114's robot was a simple robot (if you look at how it was built) and their drivers had a lot of practice time with it. Their drivers knew exactly how to drive that great robot perhaps making them a threat at each event they have attended in 2008.
... also someone pointed out earlier that they were dominant through the times when defense was played against them. I remember very well when I was standing right by the field and 330 went against 1114. 330 took 1114's trackball and kept it in a corner by the human player station and also trapped it in their robot with their mechanism. 1114's driver didn't hesitate to come around to suck that ball out of 330's mechanism. Now that's what I called a robot and a drive team that is unstoppable.
Jon Jack
16-11-2009, 17:42
I think 1114 in 2008 was one of the few teams that could play well through defense. There were several times teams crumbled when their trackballs would be pinned or they'd encounter heavy traffic. 1114 could play through that. The other intangible they had was their confidence. They knew what they were capable of. For example, how often does a team go into an elimination match down 3v2 at the championships and win?
What exactly made 1114's design 'one of a kind'? 503's robot was very similar overall.
503 changed their design to what Simbotics was doing at GLR that season, their intial robot didn't really look like 1114.
As for how dominant 1114 was that season, they were one of the only teams that could run a lap in auto, remove both balls and then score 4-6 balls a match. As strong as I think 254, 233, 330, 67 and 16 were, none of them could do this consistently. Also 1114 beat the following teams on their way to winning the championship: 121, 176, 330, 195, 40, 1717, 254, 968, 233, 60, 67, and 16. Just think about how many good teams that is.
Better robot from 08? IMHO:
71, 254, 968, 217, & 1625
But like Andrew said, you couldn't beat the robot/driver/team combination, if you really think about it, Simbotics was the most dominant team in 2008. Its not about the robot, its how you use the robot that counts.
Again, in my opinion, telling someone that they have the most dominant TEAM is more of a compliment than just telling them they have a dominant robot.
If you asked the teams you name if they thought they had a better robot than 1114, I think they'd probably tell you no.
There is no question in my mind that they had the best robot, strategy, and drive team.
Aren_Hill
16-11-2009, 21:11
Ours when it was all working and driving smooth was getting there IMIO, but 1114 was so much simpler and more elegant, which led to robustness and overall smoothness. Meaning they could consistently dominate rather than just mostly dominate
i believe they had the better bot
If you asked the teams you name if they thought they had a better robot than 1114, I think they'd probably tell you no.
My guess is that 1114 would probably say they weren't the best. I don't really know 1114, but most teams would deny any such proposal.
Ours when it was all working and driving smooth was getting there IMIO, but 1114 was so much simpler and more elegant, which led to robustness and overall smoothness. Meaning they could consistently dominate rather than just mostly dominate
i believe they had the better bot
Aren I agree that 1114's design was wonderfully simple and elegent, not to mention geometrically clever. But as far as hitting upon a winning concept and approach to the game, your 2008 bot was identicle in principle. Fast, reliable ball aquisition via inward-spinning rollers, lift the ball efficiently to a launch position, reliable launcher, fast and manuverable drivetrain, re-capture the same ball after each hurdle, play aggressively. Even a similar added-on knock-down flapper. And somehow fitting it all into the starting envelope. They may have had the resources to build a more polished machine, but as far as a clever and winning approach, your 2008 bot was almost an exact match. I think they might have done even better with your excellent swerve drive. Your ability to play the whole match in the same orientation was really effective. Did you ever face them? Who learned more from the other?
Aren_Hill
17-11-2009, 00:57
We faced them 5 times between midwest and IRI, and boy was it nervewracking seeing them over there
My guess is that 1114 would probably say they weren't the best. I don't really know 1114, but most teams would deny any such proposal.
A lot of the best at X item will point to someone else as the best. Part of being the best is knowing that somebody out there is better.
And I think that 330 shouldn't be listed next to 1114 in 2008--1114 was simply much better.
Why debate whether one robot is better than another in a given season, even after it ends? 2008 is long over; 2009 is gone; we're approaching the 2010 season and a new "best robot", if such a thing is even possible. You've spent about 15-20 posts debating whether 1114 in 2008 was the best robot in that year. Shouldn't you be debating who's the best RCA contender in CT/your choice of regional instead? How about going out and inspiring a few younger students (aka recruiting)?
To get back on topic (and answer Chris's question from before this big discussion), 236 holds 7 RCAs (GSR, 3x New England, 3x CT), going back to the first year of the RCA. I don't think anyone else has gotten that many.
2056 was 5-for-5 on regional wins going into the 2009 Toronto regional--that's every regional they'd entered, they'd won. They are now 5-for-6 on regional wins.
2056 was 5-for-5 on regional wins going into the 2009 Toronto regional--that's every regional they'd entered, they'd won. They are now 5-for-6 on regional wins.
This is incorrect. Team 2056 is 6 for 6 in regional competitions, winning the Waterloo and Greater Toronto Regionals in 2007, 2008 and 2009. On top of this, all 6 regionals were won with the same drive team. I've had the pleasure of watching all 6 of these victories in person and I can say with confidence that this is one of the most remarkable streaks in FIRST.
Akash Rastogi
17-11-2009, 01:20
For RCAs I believe the second to that record is 842 iirc.
Do 1114 and 2056 have the record for most events won together?
This is incorrect. Team 2056 is 6 for 6 in regional competitions, winning the Waterloo and Greater Toronto Regionals in 2007, 2008 and 2009. On top of this, all 6 regionals were won with the same drive team. I've had the pleasure of watching all 6 of these victories in person and I can say with confidence that this is one of the most remarkable streaks in FIRST.
I guess somebody needs to tell FIRST that they've got the team info page wrong, then. The team page (where I got my initial information) shows that they only won quality; the event page shows the win. 6 for 6 it is.
That makes it a tough streak to beat: every regional event they've been in, they've won.
The 2056/1114 combination is really tough to beat. 5 straight wins together, and if I recall correctly, each others' first pick every time. The streak-breaker was 1114 not being at Waterloo 2009, so they're still 5 for 5 when they're at the same event. Best way to break that: Seed first and pick the lower-ranked one, or a better team. Odds of doing so: pretty bad so far.
Also note that there are very few teams to pull off the FRC Triple Play award combination (RCA, WFFA, and Regional Champion at the same event). 1114 did it at the 2008 Waterloo Regional; I think that 217 did something similar back around 2005, but can't remember whether or not it was at one event.
Chris is me
17-11-2009, 07:08
The 2056/1114 combination is really tough to beat. 5 straight wins together, and if I recall correctly, each others' first pick every time. The streak-breaker was 1114 not being at Waterloo 2009, so they're still 5 for 5 when they're at the same event. Best way to break that: Seed first and pick the lower-ranked one, or a better team. Odds of doing so: pretty bad so far.
If you start counting IRI, 1114 and 2056 paired at every event they possibly could until IRI 2009. That's 5 Regionals, 1 Championship division, and 2 IRIs. (I remember thinking at IRI alliance selection that there'd be no way 2056 would be around for 217 to pick 2nd round even if they wanted to...) I don't think either of them were captains, but it just kind of happened that way.
I've joked about wanting to continue that kind of a streak with friendly teams... :)
Also note that there are very few teams to pull off the FRC Triple Play award combination (RCA, WFFA, and Regional Champion at the same event). 1114 did it at the 2008 Waterloo Regional; I think that 217 did something similar back around 2005, but can't remember whether or not it was at one event.
Wildstang's done it at Midwest before I think (2006), and maybe HOT. (This is my big secret mega goal for 1714 this year but the odds of it happening are nil)
Paul Copioli
17-11-2009, 08:13
217 did the triple crown at the Detroit Regional in 2006: regional win, RCA, and Ron Arscheene won the WFFA.
Just to clarify the Einstein visits for 217, since I have seen a few posts about it. We have made it to Einstein 5 times: 2001, 2005, 2006, 2008, and 2009. We have been Finalists once (2009) and Champs twice (2006 and 2008). All three years we were not champs, we were eliminated by the eventual champs.
Ever since the Championship divisions were created, we have made it to the Championships elimination rounds every year although we did not deserve to go in 2004.
Jared Russell
17-11-2009, 08:28
I believe that team 703 has the FIRST record for most wheels in a drive train (at 14) : http://www.chiefdelphi.com/media/photos/26312
I would also be surprised if team 25's 2009 robot did not hold the FIRST record for most spur gears.
I guess somebody needs to tell FIRST that they've got the team info page wrong, then. The team page (where I got my initial information) shows that they only won quality; the event page shows the win. 6 for 6 it is.
....
They also have a mistake for us - it does not show that we won regional chairmans at Midwest in 2006.
Also note that there are very few teams to pull off the FRC Triple Play award combination (RCA, WFFA, and Regional Champion at the same event). 1114 did it at the 2008 Waterloo Regional; I think that 217 did something similar back around 2005, but can't remember whether or not it was at one event.
Wildstang's done it at Midwest before I think (2006), and maybe HOT. (This is my big secret mega goal for 1714 this year but the odds of it happening are nil)
We also did it in 2005.
987 posted triple in 2008 at LVR. I bet there are more out there than you think who accomplished this or even back to back triples...
Collin Fultz
17-11-2009, 09:11
A cool stat to see as well would be how many teams have posted the "career" triple crown, winning a regional, RCA, and WFFA, even if not at the same event or even in the same year. My guess is there would be quite a few of these teams.
Also note that there are very few teams to pull off the FRC Triple Play award combination (RCA, WFFA, and Regional Champion at the same event). 1114 did it at the 2008 Waterloo Regional; I think that 217 did something similar back around 2005, but can't remember whether or not it was at one event.
MOE also did this in 2005 at the Philly Regional (which was, coincidentally, was the year where the game was called Triple Play as well)
BrendanB,
You have a right to your opinion, but in my 10 years of FIRSTonly two robots come to mind with the word domination: 71 in 2001 and 1114 in 2008.
...
Paul
I agree with Paul on this. 71 in 2001 was thee most dominant design I can ever remember. They absolutely nailed it when it comes to the perfect design and strategy for the game. 1114 is a close 2nd in nailing the design and strategy for a game, in 2008.
And as long as we are discussing 71, 1114 and records, how about the biggest upset ever in FIRST? I say it is this year when 2041, 1732 and 1652 coming out of nowhere to beat none other than 71, 1114 and 1000 in the 1st round of elims at Midwest. They were badly beat the 1st match and figured out the strategy to win the last 2
Ever since the Championship divisions were created, we have made it to the Championships elimination rounds every year although we did not deserve to go in 2004.
That's an impressive record in itself. Anyone know what other teams make this list?
Taking that a step further, it would be interesting to see what teams have finished most consistently at championship. These stats would be interesting for both "of all time" and since 2001 (Divisions). I have started the list:
Wins: 71 (4), 71 (3)
Top 2: 71 (5), 71(4)
Top 4: ???, 177/217 (5)
Top 8: ???,???
Top 16: ???,???
Anyone have the time to fill in the rest and/or correct/confirm my information? Calculating this as a percentage of years involved could also be interesting (With a minimum of 4 or 5 years of participate to be included). This would jump the newer, but outstanding teams like 1114 up the list.
On a different, but related note, 25,177 and 217 are all not currently on the Championship list. 25 and 177 are on the waitlist and 217 is from Michigan.
-Eric
That makes it a tough streak to beat: every regional event they've been in, they've won.
I don't think it can be beat.
Previously I believe 254 held the longest initial win streak at 5 between 1999 and 2002.
That's an impressive record in itself. Anyone know what other teams make this list?-Eric
I know 254 has. I'm pretty sure 111 has. 71? Did they make elims in 03?
That's an impressive record in itself. Anyone know what other teams make this list?
Since the advent of alliances in 1999 here are the teams who have made the elimination rounds every year:
33
71
111
175
254
(Neat fact 33, 111 & 254 were all on the same alliance in 2001)
If you restrict the time period to since the establishment of divisions in 2001, the list grows to the following group:
33
71
111
175
217
254
469
2006 was a rough year for many top teams. If you remove 2006 from the equation, Teams 45, 67 & 68 would all be on these lists.
Akash Rastogi
17-11-2009, 14:57
25 had the triple win at Trenton in 2006.
What's the largest drive wheel ever used in FRC?
Aren_Hill
17-11-2009, 15:07
25 had the triple win at Trenton in 2006.
What's the largest drive wheel ever used in FRC?
Striker 101 is sponsored by a wheelchair company i believe, i've seen them with some 20+" diameter wheels
Chris is me
17-11-2009, 16:06
And as long as we are discussing 71, 1114 and records, how about the biggest upset ever in FIRST? I say it is this year when 2041, 1732 and 1652 coming out of nowhere to beat none other than 71, 1114 and 1000 in the 1st round of elims at Midwest. They were badly beat the 1st match and figured out the strategy to win the last 2
I think it's a big upset in that "they beat 71 and 1114", though 3 capable scorers generally can beat two excellent scorers and an absolute non scorer in Lunacy. I think the upset was magnified by the unfamiliarity of Lunacy. Still a massive upset and incredible achievement; can't exactly think of a bigger upset (though pre-serpentine quarterfinal upsets are probably greater accomplishments).
Ian Curtis
17-11-2009, 16:23
1108, 447, and 492 are the only 8th seed to ever beat the 1st seed in Atlanta before the advent of the serpentine draft (Galileo, 2005). I watched it happen, but I don't remember any particularly big gameplay moments (but then again, I was pretty short and sitting in MOE territory while they were playing :p), just afterwards being like, "that was weird" and looking it up on CD to find I'd witnessed FIRST history.
At regionals, IMHO there is a much greater potential for bad picks by unprepared top seeds and always has been. While some of these wins may be remarkable, I'd venture a decent portion of them are based in partly on the poor picks of others.
Akash Rastogi
17-11-2009, 16:24
I think it's a big upset in that "they beat 71 and 1114", though 3 capable scorers generally can beat two excellent scorers and an absolute non scorer in Lunacy. I think the upset was magnified by the unfamiliarity of Lunacy. Still a massive upset and incredible achievement; can't exactly think of a bigger upset (though pre-serpentine quarterfinal upsets are probably greater accomplishments).
False. Consider when that third non scoring bot plays D on either of the 3 "capable" robots, you are essentially playing a 2 on 2 match with two mediocre scorers against two phenomenal machines.
Chris is me
17-11-2009, 16:29
False. Consider when that third non scoring bot plays D on either of the 3 "capable" robots, you are essentially playing a 2 on 2 match with two mediocre scorers against two phenomenal machines.
I meant to mention "with defense from each of the capable robots", because if you shut down one threat in a 2 v 3 scoring match, you can outscore them (especially if you're proficient at scoring while playing defense like 1732). It's not a predictable result of that matchup (maybe I should just get rid of my old post, it's hard to word what I think correctly. I'm am engineering student after all)
Ian Curtis
17-11-2009, 16:56
False. Consider when that third non scoring bot plays D on either of the 3 "capable" robots, you are essentially playing a 2 on 2 match with two mediocre scorers against two phenomenal machines.
I'm willing to bet that the large majority of "absolute non-scorers" would play the sort of defense that would have Derek & Brian jumping for joy at all the scoring opportunities. ;)
XaulZan11
17-11-2009, 16:59
False. Consider when that third non scoring bot plays D on either of the 3 "capable" robots, you are essentially playing a 2 on 2 match with two mediocre scorers against two phenomenal machines.
It didn't really work out that way, though. After the first match (where the #8 alliance had 2041 do empty cells*), 1732 played defense on 1114 and tried to score a few, hoping to come close to canceling out their scoring, leaving 2041 and 1652 to outscore 71 and 1000, who had no scoring mechanism. In the 3rd match (maybe even in the 2nd, too), 1000 was sent to set picks or block 1732 to allow for 1114 to score. So, that took away the #1 allance's defender, making it a true 2 v 1. I think that having 3 scorers to only 2 was HUGE.
*looking back on it, that wasn't a very good strategy. We felt we needed to score atleast 1 super cell to win a match and 2041 had a dedicated empty cell mechanism, so they were probably the best at it. Well, their trailor got loaded up while picking up and delievering the EC and it took away our best moonrock scorer.
Akash Rastogi
17-11-2009, 17:07
I stress the word in Chris' post "generally." Not specifically your match.
I don't think it can be beat.
It could only be beat if a team wins a regional they didn't compete in. Possible, but highly shady.
Chris Fultz
17-11-2009, 17:30
Best use of autonomous -
6 keepers scored in autonomous at the 2007 IRI.
I believe there was also a full rack scored.
Andrew Schreiber
17-11-2009, 17:31
Most jaw dropping auton in 2007, 910 with the double keepers. (I can't recall if they did it in competition but just that they ever came close was impressive)
Chris Fultz
17-11-2009, 17:31
Best use of strategy to create a new game rule -
Raul stacking a disabled robot (prior to the start of the match) on top of a functioning one to get the bonus points in the 2007 game.
There was soon after a rule prohibiting such an action.
Billfred
17-11-2009, 18:31
1108, 447, and 492 are the only 8th seed to ever beat the 1st seed in Atlanta before the advent of the serpentine draft (Galileo, 2005)...
Not quite--33 was #1 on Archimedes in 2004, picked 60 and 1241, and was promptly knocked out in two matches in the quarters by 121, 237, and 386.
BrendanB
17-11-2009, 18:34
Best use of autonomous -
6 keepers scored in autonomous at the 2007 IRI.
I believe there was also a full rack scored.
It was almost a full rack, 2 spiders were left open.
For those whom haven't seen it, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U02DOVK0mFQ
That was an amazing match!
Best use of strategy to create a new game rule -
Raul stacking a disabled robot (prior to the start of the match) on top of a functioning one to get the bonus points in the 2007 game.
There was soon after a rule prohibiting such an action.
Less than a week.
Best use of a robot as part of the field: 111 again, 2001. That year featured a seesaw that robots and goals crossed and balanced on. They took most of the rock out of it by being a ramp on one side. Still not a prohibited action...
Aren_Hill
17-11-2009, 19:22
Most jaw dropping auton in 2007, 910 with the double keepers. (I can't recall if they did it in competition but just that they ever came close was impressive)
Last finals math at ARC (Autumn robotics comp in michigan) they pulled it off, it was quite epic
swamp_child
17-11-2009, 19:31
Most out there and legally argued robot design, 190 2008
This thread is already to 100 posts. Not bad considering half of mine don't make it to 20.
This made me wonder. What is the fastest growing thread on CD? My guess is it is one of the clue threads.(I could be wrong) But which one? Any guesses?
Chris is me
17-11-2009, 19:43
Most out there and legally argued robot design, 190 2008
I respectfully disagree. (68 2003) (http://www.chiefdelphi.com/media/photos/14988)
That being said, I don't know 190's 08 robot nor have I been able to find anything about it.
BrendanB
17-11-2009, 20:08
Chris, if you don't know what it is, then don't disagree.
So for you and some others here is what happened-
So they had a huge crane with a suction cup on the end and they would drive up to a trackball, suck on it, and then the elevator rotated so they would swing the trackball around the field crossing into all quadrants and then it would drop it on the other side of the overpass to hurdle it. Their suction cup was on a winch so after it dropped, they would reach down and do it all over again.
The problem was that their robot stayed in the first quadrant while crossing into the others.
http://www.thebluealliance.net/tbatv/match/2008nh_qm38.
This is one of the only matches in which they got it to work
It was a beautiful machine, just not deemed legal.
swamp_child
17-11-2009, 20:14
Chris, if you don't know what it is, then don't disagree.
So for you and some others here is what happened-
So they had a huge crane with a suction cup on the end and they would drive up to a trackball, suck on it, and then the elevator rotated so they would swing the trackball around the field crossing into all quadrants and then it would drop it on the other side of the overpass to hurdle it. Their suction cup was on a winch so after it dropped, they would reach down and do it all over again.
The problem was that their robot stayed in the first quadrant while crossing into the others.
http://www.thebluealliance.net/tbatv/match/2008nh_qm38.
This is one of the only matches in which they got it to work
It was a beautiful machine, just not deemed legal.
The not deemed legal part is debatable, but when it comes down to it it was asked in a Q&A if you could do this exact thing and the official response was yes.
That being said, I don't know 190's 08 robot nor have I been able to find anything about it.They would go out to their overpass and grab one of their trackballs. They would then drop it to the ground on the far side of their overpass and immediately pick it up, then put it up over the center divider and swing it in a large circle over their opponent's overpass and the center divider and their own overpass, drop it and pick it up again, and continue. They had to do this without crossing the center divider with their robot, due to a Q&A, and their robot's drive simply got them to their parking spot. Think a wrecking ball and you'll be pretty close.
2008 had possibly the most argued overall designs with two; 1519's initial design was ruled illegal and many people thought that it wasn't. (By the letter of the rules, it was almost completely legal due to a circular definition; by the spirit of the rules, it was obviously illegal. The circular definition was eliminated for the 2009 season.) Both the robots involved in said design were pretty successful at off-season events.
Least-liked penalty: tie between 2008's <G22> (direction of travel enforcement, 10 points) and 2005's contact in loading zone penalty, not-so-affectionately dubbed the Kiss of Death (30 points). Let's just say that those two could change the winner of a match really easily--and often did. If you had the loading-zone penalty in 2005, you'd probably lose the match no matter how well you did. Two of them in a match would guarantee most teams a zero score.
Nuttyman54
17-11-2009, 20:23
I respectfully disagree. (68 2003) (http://www.chiefdelphi.com/media/photos/14988)
That being said, I don't know 190's 08 robot nor have I been able to find anything about it.
Here (http://www.chiefdelphi.com/forums/showthread.php?t=65953&highlight=190+mechanism) is the 91 post debate discussing our mechanism that year.
Also, while we're throwing out subjective suggestions on biggest upset, I nominate the quarterfinals knockout of 1070, 254 and 692 by 766, 488 and 852 at SVR 2007. This marked the only time to date 254 did not win the San Jose regional.
Chris is me
17-11-2009, 20:30
Chris, if you don't know what it is, then don't disagree.
I actually thought it was (oddly enough) 1519's dual config robot, then edited my post when I remembered that was 1519 not 190.
BrendanB
17-11-2009, 20:38
I actually thought it was (oddly enough) 1519's dual config robot, then edited my post when I remembered that was 1519 not 190.
HAHA... let's leave that one closed. Speed Racer good times, good times.:p
I actually thought it was (oddly enough) 1519's dual config robot, then edited my post when I remembered that was 1519 not 190.
I actually thought back to the same thing. Just wasn't sure of the number.
BrendanB
17-11-2009, 21:24
I actually thought back to the same thing. Just wasn't sure of the number.
Yah, it can get confusing. I realized that two of the few teams with rules issues went to the same regional.:)
EricLeifermann
17-11-2009, 21:35
What about teams with really unique drive trains or mechanisms?
i know the technokats 45 had a second ball drive train that they loaned to a team at the Midwest regional in 2003. They had like big inflatable balls from like walmart or something that they used to move around, it was quite cool to watch move. The balls did like to come out though if the robot got hit to hard or at a bad angle.
What about teams with really unique drive trains or mechanisms?
i know the technokats 45 had a second ball drive train that they loaned to a team at the Midwest regional in 2003. They had like big inflatable balls from like walmart or something that they used to move around, it was quite cool to watch move. The balls did like to come out though if the robot got hit to hard or at a bad angle.
I believe that they were actually metal balls that were coated. There's a thread on it somewhere.
Ian Curtis
17-11-2009, 23:10
What about teams with really unique drive trains or mechanisms?
My socks still get knocked off every time I think about 1771 in 2008 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QeQSGmFnKAE&feature=related). The large majority of attempts at suction mechanisms in FRC fail miserable. 1771 built what can only be called an incredible success.
Andrew Schreiber
18-11-2009, 00:01
I respectfully disagree. (68 2003) (http://www.chiefdelphi.com/media/photos/14988)
That being said, I don't know 190's 08 robot nor have I been able to find anything about it.
I'll second this, knowing both robots I have to say, not only were they both controversial but 68's was a work of ART, having a structure that size unfold and stay under weight was pure genius.
My socks still get knocked off every time I think about 1771 in 2008 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QeQSGmFnKAE&feature=related). The large majority of attempts at suction mechanisms in FRC fail miserable. 1771 built what can only be called an incredible success.
Yeah, that robot sucked.
Akash Rastogi
18-11-2009, 00:34
I believe that they were actually metal balls that were coated. There's a thread on it somewhere.
http://www.chiefdelphi.com/media/photos/15197
Dr Theta
18-11-2009, 03:46
I believe team 2418 also implemented a rather effective vacuum device in their 2008 robot. They were one of my personal favorite robots at the Minnesota regional, a really effectively implemented strategy in what was their rookie year.
Mark McLeod
18-11-2009, 10:31
How about number of awards?
These totals don't have the 2009 awards added in yet, but here are the award totals by team from 1992 through the 2008 season.
FRC has given out a grand total of 6825 trophies in those years.
(1992 thru 2008)
Team -- #Awards
71 ---- 53
103 ---- 52
254 ---- 51
67 ---- 50
16 ---- 48
111 ---- 48
47 ---- 45
233 ---- 45
365 ---- 45
217 ---- 41
343 ---- 39
48 ---- 37
60 ---- 37
175 ---- 36
234 ---- 36
342 ---- 36
1114 ----36
33 ---- 35
25 ---- 34
45 ---- 34
494 ---- 34
65 ---- 33
68 ---- 33
34 ---- 32
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P.S.
Now for the drawbacks of these award tallys...
Some of the early award information from FIRST is pretty skimpy, but it's better than what the current FIRST database has available nowadays. Some known awards haven't been correlated to modern day team numbers and added into this list. I'm also not sure how Michigan district event awards are handled in the current FIRST database.
Attached is a database dump of the awards tally I used.
P.S. If you want to send me corrections, please do. I'll incorporate them.
Chris is me
18-11-2009, 14:27
That's a pretty nifty list you got there. Cool facts that really don't matter: 1714's the most decorated 2006 rookie team. :D (Granted, we have one more than 1902, whom opted out of a second Rookie All-Star award. We would have done the same if we knew we could win a second one.)
Interesting data. I wonder who "wins" on trophies / year average?
That's a pretty nifty list you got there. Cool facts that really don't matter: 1714's the most decorated 2006 rookie team. :D (Granted, we have one more than 1902, whom opted out of a second Rookie All-Star award. We would have done the same if we knew we could win a second one.)
Interesting data. I wonder who "wins" on trophies / year average?
Probably better to determine ratio of awards per regionals/cmps attended as opposed to trophies/year since so many teams (especially now that we have districs) compete in a lot more events per year than others?
ATannahill
18-11-2009, 15:09
Mark, is that from the team pages or the archived awards pages? Isn't it true that some team pages are missing awards?
Mark McLeod
18-11-2009, 15:16
Different source of data.
This is from our own database we've been maintaining for about 5 years.
We have teams and awards that are missing from the current FIRST team database.
That doesn't mean that there aren't errors in our database too. They are just different mistakes. :)
This was just what I could knock out in a few minutes via a database query. Our database is undergoing redesign, so we have additional data that just hasn't been added to the main database. The redesign is why 2009 data wasn't readily available to sort by team number.
The 2009 FIRST event awards pages are missing for several competitions, but the team data has some of those missing awards.
And I've seen team pages that were incorrect too.
P.S.
It's probably pretty simple to calculate awards/year just because I have team years in a spreadsheet already. Awards/event requires some interesting merging of two data sources: events-by-team and this awards-by-team.
Arefin Bari
19-11-2009, 00:27
I respectfully disagree. (68 2003) (http://www.chiefdelphi.com/media/photos/14988)
That being said, I don't know 190's 08 robot nor have I been able to find anything about it.
Anybody have a video of their robot in action?
Anybody have a video of their robot in action?
If I recall, it was never allowed to use it in a match. But I've just read about it.
If I recall, it was never allowed to use it in a match. But I've just read about it.Are you referring to 68 or 190. I'm not sure about the former, but 190 was certainly allowed in many matches, including the entire Silicon Valley Regional.
Nuttyman54
19-11-2009, 10:47
Are you referring to 68 or 190. I'm not sure about the former, but 190 was certainly allowed in many matches, including the entire Silicon Valley Regional.
I would love to see some video of this 68 robot, it sounds epic.
190 was ruled legal during BAE and SVR, and was only after SVR that we were informed that our strategy would draw penalties if we attempted it at championships.
Peter Matteson
19-11-2009, 11:13
Not quite--33 was #1 on Archimedes in 2004, picked 60 and 1241, and was promptly knocked out in two matches in the quarters by 121, 237, and 386.
This was also done in 2004 on Galileo when 177, 27, and 365 beat the one seed and lost in the division finals to 469's championship finalist alliance.
Mark McLeod
19-11-2009, 12:13
Here are the teams that have won the most of each of the following awards and the number of times they have won.
Team --- # Wins --- Award
71 Team ---- 7 --- #1 Seed
103 Team --- 2 --- Autodesk Inventor Award
103 Team --- 8 --- Autodesk Visualization Award
192 Team --- 8 --- Autodesk Visualization Award
16 Team ---- 4 --- Chairman's Award Finalist
191 Team --- 2 --- Chairman's Award Winner
111 Team --- 2 --- Championship Finalist
254 Team --- 2 --- Championship Finalist
71 Team ---- 4 --- Championship Winner
33 Team ---- 5 --- Delphi "Driving Tomorrow's Technology"
357 Team --- 5 --- Delphi "Driving Tomorrow's Technology"
71 Team ---- 5 --- Division Champion
1305 Team -- 5 --- Engineering Inspiration Award
330 Team --- 5 --- GM Industrial Design
343 Team --- 5 --- GM Industrial Design
2337 Team -- 3 --- Highest Rookie Seed
365 Team --- 7 --- Imagery
107 Team --- 5 --- J&J Sportsmanship
191 Team --- 5 --- J&J Sportsmanship
217 Team --- 5 --- J&J Sportsmanship
68 Team ---- 6 --- Judges' Award
103 Team -- 13 --- KPC&B Entrepreneurship
67 Team ---- 7 --- Leadership in Controls
27 Team ---- 6 --- Motorola Quality
60 Team ---- 6 --- Motorola Quality
207 Team --- 6 --- Motorola Quality
236 Team --- 6 --- Regional Chairman's Award
254 Team -- 16 --- Regional Champion
16 Team ---- 6 --- Regional Finalist
118 Team --- 6 --- Regional Finalist
368 Team --- 6 --- Regional Finalist
375 Team --- 6 --- Regional Finalist
48 Team ---- 7 --- Safety Award
88 Team ---- 5 --- Team Spirit Award
234 Team --- 8 --- Website Design Award
357 Team --- 3 --- Woodie Flowers Regional Award
365 Team --- 3 --- Woodie Flowers Regional Award
1114 Team -- 3 --- Woodie Flowers Regional Award
190 Team --- 6 --- Xerox Creativity
Here are the teams that have won the most of each of the following awards and the number of times they have won.
Team --- # Wins --- Award
71 Team ---- 7 --- #1 Seed
103 Team --- 2 --- Autodesk Inventor Award
103 Team --- 8 --- Autodesk Visualization Award
192 Team --- 8 --- Autodesk Visualization Award
16 Team ---- 4 --- Chairman's Award Finalist
191 Team --- 2 --- Chairman's Award Winner
111 Team --- 2 --- Championship Finalist
254 Team --- 2 --- Championship Finalist
71 Team ---- 4 --- Championship Winner
33 Team ---- 5 --- Delphi "Driving Tomorrow's Technology"
357 Team --- 5 --- Delphi "Driving Tomorrow's Technology"
71 Team ---- 5 --- Division Champion
1305 Team -- 5 --- Engineering Inspiration Award
330 Team --- 5 --- GM Industrial Design
343 Team --- 5 --- GM Industrial Design
2337 Team -- 3 --- Highest Rookie Seed
365 Team --- 7 --- Imagery
107 Team --- 5 --- J&J Sportsmanship
191 Team --- 5 --- J&J Sportsmanship
217 Team --- 5 --- J&J Sportsmanship
68 Team ---- 6 --- Judges' Award
103 Team -- 13 --- KPC&B Entrepreneurship
67 Team ---- 7 --- Leadership in Controls
27 Team ---- 6 --- Motorola Quality
60 Team ---- 6 --- Motorola Quality
207 Team --- 6 --- Motorola Quality
236 Team --- 6 --- Regional Chairman's Award
254 Team -- 16 --- Regional Champion
16 Team ---- 6 --- Regional Finalist
118 Team --- 6 --- Regional Finalist
368 Team --- 6 --- Regional Finalist
375 Team --- 6 --- Regional Finalist
48 Team ---- 7 --- Safety Award
88 Team ---- 5 --- Team Spirit Award
234 Team --- 8 --- Website Design Award
357 Team --- 3 --- Woodie Flowers Regional Award
365 Team --- 3 --- Woodie Flowers Regional Award
1114 Team -- 3 --- Woodie Flowers Regional Award
190 Team --- 6 --- Xerox Creativity
Very interesting! Thanks for putting this together.
Unless otherwise stated, are these award counts combined regional/championship awards? For instance, I know 365 has won Imagery at Championship and at several regionals, so is the 7 the total number at both or just at the regional level?
How many of these awards are no longer given? Chairman's finalist is one that I noticed.
I'm pretty sure it's regional and championship. 330 only has 2 awards at championship, not counting competition-based awards, and only one of those is the Industrial Design; we're listed as having 5 of those, which would mean 4 regional and one Championships.
Mark McLeod
19-11-2009, 14:27
Unless otherwise stated, are these award counts combined regional/championship awards? For instance, I know 365 has won Imagery at Championship and at several regionals, so is the 7 the total number at both or just at the regional level?
How many of these awards are no longer given? Chairman's finalist is one that I noticed.
Yes, I collapsed some Regional/Championship awards, such as Imagery, into one generic category. Some of the awards with name changes, e.g., Leadership in Controls & Creativity, also were given a generic name.
There are some mistakes in this list too, so take it with a grain of salt.
I had a big long list of awards that are no longer given that I cut off this list. I just kept a couple of interesting ones around. I also dropped the Rookie awards, but some teams did win multiples of those too.
The original awards spreadsheet I posted earlier (http://www.chiefdelphi.com/forums/showpost.php?p=883131&postcount=118) has all the old names and separations.
Francis-134
19-11-2009, 15:09
Here are the teams that have won the most of each of the following awards and the number of times they have won.
Team --- # Wins --- Award
71 Team ---- 7 --- #1 Seed
103 Team --- 2 --- Autodesk Inventor Award
103 Team --- 8 --- Autodesk Visualization Award
192 Team --- 8 --- Autodesk Visualization Award
16 Team ---- 4 --- Chairman's Award Finalist
191 Team --- 2 --- Chairman's Award Winner
111 Team --- 2 --- Championship Finalist
254 Team --- 2 --- Championship Finalist
71 Team ---- 4 --- Championship Winner
33 Team ---- 5 --- Delphi "Driving Tomorrow's Technology"
357 Team --- 5 --- Delphi "Driving Tomorrow's Technology"
71 Team ---- 5 --- Division Champion
1305 Team -- 5 --- Engineering Inspiration Award
330 Team --- 5 --- GM Industrial Design
343 Team --- 5 --- GM Industrial Design
2337 Team -- 3 --- Highest Rookie Seed
365 Team --- 7 --- Imagery
107 Team --- 5 --- J&J Sportsmanship
191 Team --- 5 --- J&J Sportsmanship
217 Team --- 5 --- J&J Sportsmanship
68 Team ---- 6 --- Judges' Award
103 Team -- 13 --- KPC&B Entrepreneurship
67 Team ---- 7 --- Leadership in Controls
27 Team ---- 6 --- Motorola Quality
60 Team ---- 6 --- Motorola Quality
207 Team --- 6 --- Motorola Quality
236 Team --- 6 --- Regional Chairman's Award
254 Team -- 16 --- Regional Champion
16 Team ---- 6 --- Regional Finalist
118 Team --- 6 --- Regional Finalist
368 Team --- 6 --- Regional Finalist
375 Team --- 6 --- Regional Finalist
48 Team ---- 7 --- Safety Award
88 Team ---- 5 --- Team Spirit Award
234 Team --- 8 --- Website Design Award
357 Team --- 3 --- Woodie Flowers Regional Award
365 Team --- 3 --- Woodie Flowers Regional Award
1114 Team -- 3 --- Woodie Flowers Regional Award
190 Team --- 6 --- Xerox Creativity
Additionally, team 131 has won three regional WFA's: Dave Kelso, Andy Grady and Kristen Kelso (this past year).
Regardless, this is some of the best data I have seen. Great work!
Mark McLeod
19-11-2009, 15:14
Additionally, team 131 has won three regional WFA's: Dave Kelso, Andy Grady and Kristen Kelso (this past year).
Yea, you have to add 2009 to this. I haven't done that yet.
I plan on going through all of this awards data in the next couple of days looking to catch and correct the most glaring mistakes. Then I'll add in the 2009 data too.
FIRST doesn't have 2009 event awards data for Midwest, BAE, NJ, or Boston.
FIRST doesn't have 2009 event awards data for Midwest, BAE, NJ, or Boston.
The Fantasy FIRST scoring sheets do, I believe. They were collected either the day of the event or in the week after when teams were missing. They're in CD-Media at http://www.chiefdelphi.com/media/papers/2219; use the top Excel file.
Peter Matteson
19-11-2009, 16:01
Here are the teams that have won the most of each of the following awards and the number of times they have won.
Team --- # Wins --- Award
71 Team ---- 7 --- #1 Seed
103 Team --- 2 --- Autodesk Inventor Award
103 Team --- 8 --- Autodesk Visualization Award
192 Team --- 8 --- Autodesk Visualization Award
16 Team ---- 4 --- Chairman's Award Finalist
191 Team --- 2 --- Chairman's Award Winner
111 Team --- 2 --- Championship Finalist
254 Team --- 2 --- Championship Finalist
71 Team ---- 4 --- Championship Winner
33 Team ---- 5 --- Delphi "Driving Tomorrow's Technology"
357 Team --- 5 --- Delphi "Driving Tomorrow's Technology"
71 Team ---- 5 --- Division Champion
1305 Team -- 5 --- Engineering Inspiration Award
330 Team --- 5 --- GM Industrial Design
343 Team --- 5 --- GM Industrial Design
2337 Team -- 3 --- Highest Rookie Seed
365 Team --- 7 --- Imagery
107 Team --- 5 --- J&J Sportsmanship
191 Team --- 5 --- J&J Sportsmanship
217 Team --- 5 --- J&J Sportsmanship
68 Team ---- 6 --- Judges' Award
103 Team -- 13 --- KPC&B Entrepreneurship
67 Team ---- 7 --- Leadership in Controls
27 Team ---- 6 --- Motorola Quality
60 Team ---- 6 --- Motorola Quality
207 Team --- 6 --- Motorola Quality
236 Team --- 6 --- Regional Chairman's Award
254 Team -- 16 --- Regional Champion
16 Team ---- 6 --- Regional Finalist
118 Team --- 6 --- Regional Finalist
368 Team --- 6 --- Regional Finalist
375 Team --- 6 --- Regional Finalist
48 Team ---- 7 --- Safety Award
88 Team ---- 5 --- Team Spirit Award
234 Team --- 8 --- Website Design Award
357 Team --- 3 --- Woodie Flowers Regional Award
365 Team --- 3 --- Woodie Flowers Regional Award
1114 Team -- 3 --- Woodie Flowers Regional Award
190 Team --- 6 --- Xerox Creativity
Mark, 177 and 217 also has 5 Division championships, did you just publish lowest team number for ties?
Lil' Lavery
19-11-2009, 16:56
Here are the teams that have won the most of each of the following awards and the number of times they have won.
Team --- # Wins --- Award
71 Team ---- 7 --- #1 Seed
103 Team --- 2 --- Autodesk Inventor Award
103 Team --- 8 --- Autodesk Visualization Award
192 Team --- 8 --- Autodesk Visualization Award
16 Team ---- 4 --- Chairman's Award Finalist
191 Team --- 2 --- Chairman's Award Winner
111 Team --- 2 --- Championship Finalist
254 Team --- 2 --- Championship Finalist
71 Team ---- 4 --- Championship Winner
33 Team ---- 5 --- Delphi "Driving Tomorrow's Technology"
357 Team --- 5 --- Delphi "Driving Tomorrow's Technology"
71 Team ---- 5 --- Division Champion
1305 Team -- 5 --- Engineering Inspiration Award
330 Team --- 5 --- GM Industrial Design
343 Team --- 5 --- GM Industrial Design
2337 Team -- 3 --- Highest Rookie Seed
365 Team --- 7 --- Imagery
107 Team --- 5 --- J&J Sportsmanship
191 Team --- 5 --- J&J Sportsmanship
217 Team --- 5 --- J&J Sportsmanship
68 Team ---- 6 --- Judges' Award
103 Team -- 13 --- KPC&B Entrepreneurship
67 Team ---- 7 --- Leadership in Controls
27 Team ---- 6 --- Motorola Quality
60 Team ---- 6 --- Motorola Quality
207 Team --- 6 --- Motorola Quality
236 Team --- 6 --- Regional Chairman's Award
254 Team -- 16 --- Regional Champion
16 Team ---- 6 --- Regional Finalist
118 Team --- 6 --- Regional Finalist
368 Team --- 6 --- Regional Finalist
375 Team --- 6 --- Regional Finalist
48 Team ---- 7 --- Safety Award
88 Team ---- 5 --- Team Spirit Award
234 Team --- 8 --- Website Design Award
357 Team --- 3 --- Woodie Flowers Regional Award
365 Team --- 3 --- Woodie Flowers Regional Award
1114 Team -- 3 --- Woodie Flowers Regional Award
190 Team --- 6 --- Xerox Creativity
Is this still 2008 data? If it counts 2009 as well, 116 also has 8 Autodesk Visualization Awards. And by my count, 192 only has 6 AVAs, though that might result from the same reason why 116 only show 7 (old AVA rules allowed for teams to win AVA tropies at events they did not attend as regionals were grouped into "districts").
Mark McLeod
19-11-2009, 17:30
Is this still 2008 data?
Yes, I still have a day job, so I haven't had time to extract and add the 2009 awards since Eric told me where to find the missing data around 2 o'clock. :rolleyes:
I crunch numbers at lunchtime, breaks, and after work, unless it's a 30 second task.
I'm teaching the control system to a rookie team tonight, so while I've grabbed the missing 2009 awards from FIRST Fantasy (thanks Eric), I probably won't have an updated list until tomorrow.
In the meantime you guys and gals might want to resist repeating that whole list each time you respond. It's making the thread a little hard to read.
P.S.
Mark, 177 and 217 also has 5 Division championships, did you just publish lowest team number for ties?
Sorry, Pete. I forgot to respond directly to your question too.
177 & 217's Division wins don't show up since there's no 2009 data included, and I made a mistake w/71's total of only 4. (Pete helped me figure that one out.)
This awards data also hasn't been vetted. I only took 5 minutes to throw together what I had handy, and didn't take especial care since I was already lacking the 2009 data anyway. There are some missing (and even duplicate awards)
I've integrated the 2009 data, but I'll do a first pass through the awards to verify it before I post an update.
If anyone has corrections, please PM or email them to me. Thanks.
Andrew Schreiber
19-11-2009, 17:42
Yes, I still have a day job, so I haven't had time to extract and add the 2009 awards since Eric told me where to find the missing data around 2 o'clock. :rolleyes:
I crunch numbers at lunchtime, breaks, and after work, unless it's a 30 second task.
I'm teaching the control system to a rookie team tonight, so while I've grabbed the missing 2009 awards from FIRST Fantasy (thanks Eric), I probably won't have an updated list until tomorrow.
In the meantime you guys and gals might want to resist repeating that whole list each time you respond. It's making the thread a little hard to read.
Mark, I can give you any future award data in any format you want if this would make your job a little easier. As long as FIRST posts it I can get at it. Additionally, while the data is missing from the Event Awards page it is actually on the Team Data page. (http://www2.usfirst.org/2009comp/events/NH/awards.html and https://my.usfirst.org/myarea/index.lasso?page=team_details&tpid=20810&-session=myarea:C77D64051b5252A5F6XsO26E683D respectively)
Just let me know if you want some help. (I figure it is rude not to offer since the data you have is helpful to everyone)
Are you referring to 68 or 190. I'm not sure about the former, but 190 was certainly allowed in many matches, including the entire Silicon Valley Regional.
I was referring to 68.
techtiger1
19-11-2009, 19:39
I thought Pink did a pretty cool trick with pulling themselves all the way up for raising the bar in 2004. I don't think anyone got higher off the ground. Also one other thing that should have its own record is 190's 2004 auto mode which was a work of art.
-Drew
BrendanB
19-11-2009, 19:59
I thought Pink did a pretty cool trick with pulling themselves all the way up for raising the bar in 2004. I don't think anyone got higher off the ground. Also one other thing that should have its own record is 190's 2004 auto mode which was a work of art.
-Drew
Second 190's 2004 robot, that machine was amazing. I can still remember when they finally got themselves up on the bar and how loud the audience yelled, and then even louder when they removed the the 2x ball from the opposing goal.
Ian Curtis
20-11-2009, 00:00
Second 190's 2004 robot, that machine was amazing. I can still remember when they finally got themselves up on the bar and how loud the audience yelled, and then even louder when they removed the the 2x ball from the opposing goal.
I remember that match too! That said, they were pretty hit or miss that year. We were really worried about playing them, but they fell over on the stairs in autonomous, making it a 2v1 match. That happened a few times at BAE, and I believe as the season progressed they gave up trying for the stairs in autonomous as it was too risky. I'm not surprised 190 has the most Xerox creativity awards, it seems every year they build something real out of the box that is just plain neat. Sometimes it excels (see 2007), and sometimes it falls flat (see 2005), but it is always neat to watch their crate open!
Pretty sure they were doing the stairs all through Phoenix, which was after BAE, but not actually hanging in auto. They'd get set, but not hang. 330 did the same sort of thing, but didn't use the steps; they went up the side and reached for the bar from the low step. (330 also couldn't move the ball from side to side, just knock it out.)
190's coolest device that year, though, was a laminated piece of paper known as the "Dean Device". It velcroed to a wheel and reached across the line so that they were technically in the proper starting position--touching the floor on both sides of the line--while the entire drivetrain was lined up with the steps. Said device was colored and shaped to match a denim-clad arm and hand reaching out and putting one finger down on the ground.
There is also a video around of them vaulting over team 237 at a post-season and hanging. It's pretty cool to watch.
RoboMaster
20-11-2009, 01:10
What about the fastest robot? I've heard something like 25mph from one team in 2008, and I believe they were the world champs. 2008 is the game for something like that.
If somebody had a 25 mph robot, they were going way too fast. That's about 36-37 feet per second, which puts you into the diamond plate on the other end before you even get up to speed. (54-foot field, minus about 3 feet for the robot length means that you hit at 1.39 seconds, and that's some killer acceleration, about 26 ft/second^2 or 0.818 g's.) 25 ft/second is more likely; few did that.
Now, the drag race winner was team 102, Gearheads. I'm not sure how fast their robot went, though.
RoboMaster
20-11-2009, 01:27
Hmm, yes I was thinking that maybe 25ft/sec was actually correct, but mph rings a clearer bell. But I think that was probably their top speed. During a match, 25ft/sec more accurate.
Well then, maybe we should say who had the fastest top speed and who had the fastest top speed in a match. And maybe average top speed. Acch, probably to complicated. Who has a really fast robot? :D
Here's another one: longest living robot. Does a team still have their robot from 1992?
Akash Rastogi
20-11-2009, 01:38
102 in 2008 was "geared for 30fps but goes 27fps" and according to a mentor was averaging 23fps per match.
Here's another one: longest living robot. Does a team still have their robot from 1992?
I believe both 190 and 126 still have their 1992 bots.
Francis-134
20-11-2009, 01:45
Pretty sure they were doing the stairs all through Phoenix, which was after BAE, but not actually hanging in auto. They'd get set, but not hang. 330 did the same sort of thing, but didn't use the steps; they went up the side and reached for the bar from the low step. (330 also couldn't move the ball from side to side, just knock it out.)
190's coolest device that year, though, was a laminated piece of paper known as the "Dean Device". It velcroed to a wheel and reached across the line so that they were technically in the proper starting position--touching the floor on both sides of the line--while the entire drivetrain was lined up with the steps. Said device was colored and shaped to match a denim-clad arm and hand reaching out and putting one finger down on the ground.
There is also a video around of them vaulting over team 237 at a post-season and hanging. It's pretty cool to watch.
As the season progressed, the robot got better and better at hanging in autonomous. At Championships and the off-seasons, we were hanging with more consistency. While it was rather bang-bust, I would have to say that the bang was pretty well worth the occasional bust.
The device you describe is the "Kamen Straddling Device", or KSD for short. At kickoff that year, Dean asked teams to not be rules lawyers and to take the rules at face value. He pointed at the floor and said "This is straddling, this is not". We took that to heart and blew-up an image of Dean's arm, laminated it and used is for the KSD. I'll try and post a picture of it later. He even autographed one of them.
The video of us vaulting over 237 at RiverRage can be found here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q5nnGGRi-94&NR=1
Additionally, teams 190 and 126 still have their machines from that year. I believe team 191's is still at FIRST Place in Manchester.
While it was rather bang-bust, I would have to say that the bang was pretty well worth the occasional bust.
2004 had a special class of robots: the bar-blockers. Teams 64, 237, 330, 868, and 1266 (2004 rookie) were sliders; 190 simply got up and put out a pair of lexan arms atop the bar. 868 made it to Einstein that year. If one of those robots made it to the bar against you, you were 50 points in the hole with a chance of being 100 points in the hole. I believe all of them were picked for eliminations at at least one event just because of that. To make matters worse (or better), a couple of them could remove the doubler balls from their opponent's stationary goal, putting said opponent even further in the hole points-wise. Definitely worth the occasional bust, just for the points advantage (and the excitement of seing how the opponents would try to get up this time :p). As for which one was best, nobody really figured that one out at the time. 190 gets most effective, though, for the ball-stealing ability they had.
It was always exciting if two bar-blockers faced off. See the linked video for a prime example (190 vs 237). I know 330 and 190 met once in Arizona; 330 and 237 met once or twice in Atlanta; 330 and 1266 met a couple times at an offseason, but I don't think they met during the season. Not sure if 64 played against 330 or 190 at all that year; same for 868 playing any of the others.
The strategy was easy to beat, though, especially if there were ever two bar-blockers on the same alliance. You just had to use the mobile goals and double those. Fortunately, the small-ball/doubler ball robots were the usual partners for the bar-blockers and canceled out the other alliance's score. Or you just kept the blockers off the bar, though with them going out and partway up in auto, that was kind of tricky.
BrendanB
20-11-2009, 09:14
I remember that match too! That said, they were pretty hit or miss that year. We were really worried about playing them, but they fell over on the stairs in autonomous, making it a 2v1 match. That happened a few times at BAE, and I believe as the season progressed they gave up trying for the stairs in autonomous as it was too risky. I'm not surprised 190 has the most Xerox creativity awards, it seems every year they build something real out of the box that is just plain neat. Sometimes it excels (see 2007), and sometimes it falls flat (see 2005), but it is always neat to watch their crate open!
Yah, whenever they tipped over in auto, my grandfather would turn to me and say, "When will they ever learn that that won't work." But what made their first time up even more impressive/awesome was that whenever they did make it up and grab hold with their arm, they got stuck.:rolleyes:
Does anyone know how far up 233 went on the bar? I never got to see that robot but 190 also went up so that they could grab on with a mechanism on the top of their robot.
Oh, and when 501 came up under 190 and snapped a lexan wing in half so get up, that was pretty funny.
Mark McLeod
20-11-2009, 10:54
And by my count, 192 only has 6 AVAs, though that might result from the same reason why 116 only show 7 (old AVA rules allowed for teams to win AVA tropies at events they did not attend ...
It's because of the different AVA rules in 2003.
I took a look at 192's award list and the current FIRST team database search doesn't return awards won at events a team didn't actually attend. It appears to be a flaw in FIRST's event query that uses only events as a key field, not any other fields, such as awards.
In 2003, 192 swept AVA at AZ, CA, SAC, SJ, WA, but only the wins at the two events they attended (AZ & SJ) show up if you seach by team. The individual event records show the 192 AVA awards at CA, SAC, and WA.
Nuttyman54
20-11-2009, 11:48
I believe both 190 and 126 still have their 1992 bots.
Not only do both those robots still exist, they still run. At BattleCry@WPI 5 in 2004, there was a Maize Craze rematch between the two teams. I can't find the video of it right now, but I know it exists.
Michael Sperber
20-11-2009, 12:35
Buzz (175) has won at least one regional/field for the past 10 years. Except that one year, when they won the Chairman's award (this was prior to the existence of the Regional Chairman's award).
Buzz won the Championship Chairman's Award in 2002 which was the first year of the Regional Chairman's Award process.
BTW - this thread seems to be lacking in comments from Professor Grady.... Professor, where are you hiding?
Lil' Lavery
20-11-2009, 13:33
It's because of the different AVA rules in 2003.
I took a look at 192's award list and the current FIRST team database search doesn't return awards won at events a team didn't actually attend. It appears to be a flaw in FIRST's event query that uses only events as a key field, not any other fields, such as awards.
In 2003, 192 swept AVA at AZ, CA, SAC, SJ, WA, but only the wins at the two events they attended (AZ & SJ) show up if you seach by team. The individual event records show the 192 AVA awards at CA, SAC, and WA.
Those 2003 rules were quite strange, I admit. It was an interesting feeling winning our first animation trophy at an event we didn't attend.
Here are some quick records that I think are correct (not horribly in depth research):
Most consecutive years winning same award: 11 years (1999-2009)
254 - Regional Champion Award
Active streak, and I imagine it will grow. Corrected from previous data which I didn't even bother to check with my common sense, just blindly followed FIRST site without thinking, doh!
Most times winning single award in a season: 5
192- Autodesk Award for Visualization (2003)
Won Arizona, Los Angeles, San Jose, Sacramento, and Washington due to 2003 AVA rules where animations were submitted at an event each week in your general region.
Most different regionals won: 7
254- Las Vegas, Los Angeles, Hawai'i, Houston, Sacramento, San Jose, Pacific Northwest
*67- Buckeye, Cass Tech District, Kettering District, Lansing District, Michigan State Championship, Great Lakes, Midatlantic/New Jersey
Data gets a little choppy before 2001, so I may be missing some. Also, the district system in 2009 makes 67's status hard to define (do districts count and is GLR separate from the state championship?).
Chris is me
20-11-2009, 13:44
Most consecutive regional wins?
Longest streak of regional wins from rookie year: 2056, 6 regionals
Mark McLeod
20-11-2009, 13:45
2009 data has been included now.
Here's an updated
Top Award Winners list:
Team --- Wins --- Award
71 Team --- 7 --- #1 Seed
103 Team --- 3 --- Autodesk Inventor Award
192 Team -- 10 --- Autodesk Visualization Award
103 Team --- 8 --- Autodesk Visualization Award
116 Team --- 8 --- Autodesk Visualization Award
16 Team --- 4 --- Chairman's Award Finalist
191 Team --- 2 --- Chairman's Award Winner
111 Team --- 2 --- Championship Finalist
254 Team --- 2 --- Championship Finalist
71 Team --- 4 --- Championship Winner
190 Team --- 6 --- Creativity
25 Team --- 5 --- Delphi "Driving Tomorrow's Technology"
33 Team --- 5 --- Delphi "Driving Tomorrow's Technology"
357 Team --- 5 --- Delphi "Driving Tomorrow's Technology"
177 Team --- 5 --- Division Champion
217 Team --- 5 --- Division Champion
135 Team --- 3 --- Division Finalist
85 Team --- 3 --- Division Finalist
1305 Team --- 5 --- Engineering Inspiration Award
178 Team --- 5 --- Engineering Inspiration Award
812 Team --- 5 --- Engineering Inspiration Award
330 Team --- 5 --- GM Industrial Design
343 Team --- 5 --- GM Industrial Design
67 Team --- 5 --- GM Industrial Design
2337 Team --- 3 --- Highest Rookie Seed
2753 Team --- 3 --- Highest Rookie Seed
365 Team --- 7 --- Imagery
1024 Team --- 6 --- Imagery
624 Team --- 6 --- Imagery
107 Team --- 5 --- J&J Sportsmanship
191 Team --- 5 --- J&J Sportsmanship
217 Team --- 5 --- J&J Sportsmanship
599 Team --- 5 --- J&J Sportsmanship
93 Team --- 5 --- J&J Sportsmanship
68 Team --- 7 --- Judges' Award
103 Team --- 8 --- KPC&B Entrepreneurship
67 Team --- 7 --- Leadership in Controls
207 Team --- 7 --- Motorola Quality
236 Team --- 7 --- Regional Chairman's Award
254 Team -- 17 --- Regional Champion
118 Team --- 7 --- Regional Finalist
302 Team --- 7 --- Regional Finalist
2771 Team --- 4 --- Rookie All-Star
48 Team --- 9 --- Safety Award
191 Team --- 5 --- Team Spirit Award
217 Team --- 5 --- Team Spirit Award
88 Team --- 5 --- Team Spirit Award
234 Team --- 9 --- Website Design Award
131 Team --- 4 --- Woodie Flowers & Woodie Flowers Regional Award
111 Team --- 3 --- Woodie Flowers Regional Award
1114 Team --- 3 --- Woodie Flowers Regional Award
357 Team --- 3 --- Woodie Flowers Regional Award
365 Team --- 3 --- Woodie Flowers Regional Award
612 Team --- 3 --- Woodie Flowers Regional Award
I've made the updated speadsheet this was generated from available in case anyone wants to tease out any more record statistics. This data is better than what you get from FIRST nowadays, but some of the totals don't jive so I know there are omissions and typos. For instance, the Regional Woodie Flowers winners are not always associated with a team in the FIRST database, so I'll be going through those and adding them in.
If anyone finds errors please drop me a PM.
I'm sure I'll be making updates - adding missing info. and eventually 2010 awards, so this will be maintained on our webpage where we've collected all this sort of stuff and you'll be able to get the latest from there if you need it.
http://www.team358.org/files/frc_records/
If it makes anyone feel better, I forgot three awards for my own team 358.:eek:
EagleEngineer
12-01-2011, 23:28
Team 1138 had an amazing defensive robot in 2006 and they won the San Fernando Regional/Los Angeles Regional. They were not moved by any team and their drive base was amazing. Though they couldn't score much, they held their opponets down to less than 20 points in each match. With their amazing defense they allowed 968 and 4 to score lots of points. They held the epic alliance of team 330,599,and 995 down to only 23 points! While they allowed their alliance partners to score in the hundreds. :yikes: They win for best defensive robot in Aim High.
Team 1138 had an amazing defensive robot in 2006 and they won the San Fernando Regional/Los Angeles Regional. They were not moved by any team and their drive base was amazing. Though they couldn't score much, they held their opponets down to less than 20 points in each match. With their amazing defense they allowed 968 and 4 to score lots of points. They held the epic alliance of team 330,599,and 995 down to only 23 points! While they allowed their alliance partners to score in the hundreds. :yikes: They win for best defensive robot in Aim High.
Please refer to my prior post #30 (http://www.chiefdelphi.com/forums/showpost.php?p=882529&postcount=30) of this thread before anyone else chooses to revive this thread with bragging.
And for the record, I'm not quite certain I'd call 330's 2006 robot "epic".
Updating some records with 2010 data:
Consecutive regional wins: 254 continued their streak in 2010, making 12 years with at least one regional win. (They had two.)
To nobody's surprise, 177 landed on Einstein for the 6th consecutive time.
71 is still in the lead for most Championship wins, but 67 is closing in, and is tied for most consecutive Championship wins at 2.
Consecutive regional wins (rookie year start): 2056 added two more to bring their total to 8 regionals, plus a division win.
67 added a district to their most different regionals won; Detroit District makes #8.
Team 67- First team to win on Einstein and Championship Chairmans in the same year (2005)
Team 144 (who has returned after since 2004. Though the mentors of that team went on to form 1038) is the first FIRST team to win a championship Chairmans (1996) and a championship(1994). From what I'm told they almost won both the same year in 1996.
Peter Matteson
13-01-2011, 08:48
To nobody's surprise, 177 landed on Einstein for the 6th consecutive time.
Thanks for the compliments, but it still surprises us when it happens.
It was actually 5 in a row for 6 total the first was the year divisions were created back in 2001:
2001- Galileo
2006- Galileo
2007- Newton
2008- Archimedes
2009- Newton
2010- Newton
EagleEngineer
17-01-2011, 01:07
just cause 254 and 233 have not won the championships yet, "I've gotta feeling" that they will win this year. Both. :yikes: Yes i quoted Will-i-am.
Peter Matteson
13-06-2011, 15:05
Time to revive a thread because I came up with a couple new ones that we hadn't pointed out yet:
Most consecutive appearances in the Championship Final:
3 - Team 67 (2008-10)
This has got to be one of the most impressive feats in all of FIRST
Teams to Win All 5 Championship divisions (including Einstein):
217 became the first team to complete this feat this year.
Update:
Most Appearances on Einstein:
7 - Team 177
6 - Team 217
Chris is me
13-06-2011, 15:21
just cause 254 and 233 have not won the championships yet, "I've gotta feeling" that they will win this year.
50-50 ain't so bad.
I believe 2056 has the most regional wins without a Championship now.
akoscielski3
14-06-2011, 12:13
I believe 2056 has the most regional wins without a Championship now.
How many do they have know. I think they will do it in the next few years!
How many do they have know. I think they will do it in the next few years!
They have 10. They've won two regionals every year from '07-'11.
thefro526
14-06-2011, 12:38
They have 10. They've won two regionals every year from '07-'11.
Actually 2056 has won 11 Regionals, 2 wins each year from 2007 to 2010 and 3 wins this year at FLR, Waterloo and GTR West.
Anyone know a robot that was just amazing at something? Perhaps it had the strongest drive train, most unorthodox approach to the game, fastest scorer, or anything else noteworthy?
Most unorthodox should go to Mad Cow Robotics for their rotary walker drivetrain from 2003 - 2005.
See pictures below and link here (http://www.chiefdelphi.com/media/photos/20091).
http://www.chiefdelphi.com/media/img/a0c/a0cb6764b06e93eaac9f795ed2cce76c_l.jpg
461 is the only team to win 2 World Best Website Awards ('06 and '10), if anyone cares about website awards......:p
Also, going along with 2056, not only do they have 11 regional wins, but they have never lost a regional (at least according to TBA). And they have never placed worse than 2nd at IRI (again, ref. TBA) . There's no way anyone else has placed at least 2nd everytime at IRI with at least 3 appearances.
P.S. I love how 2056's name is OP Robotics, because as all gamers know, OP mean over-powered, which is very accurate.
P.P.S. Yes, i know that it actually stands for Orchard Park :P
Also, going along with 2056, not only do they have 11 regional wins, but they have never lost a regional (at least according to TBA). And they have never placed worse than 2nd at IRI (again, ref. TBA) . There's no way anyone else has placed at least 2nd everytime at IRI with at least 3 appearances.
2056 has lost in both the semi-finals (2008), and the quarter-finals (2009) of IRI.
$wimmer3138
14-06-2011, 16:14
And they were finalists last year with 1114, 1086, and 3138
And they were finalists last year with 1114, 1086, and 3138
Yes, thats why i said no worse than 2nd, or in other words, finalists.
2056 has lost in both the semi-finals (2008), and the quarter-finals (2009) of IRI.
Ah, my bad. skipped over those. But still, amazing job :)
Also, going along with 2056, not only do they have 11 regional wins, but they have never lost a regional (at least according to TBA).
That's correct. Sooner or later that streak will end... But I highly doubt that it will be soon. Considering that it started when they were rookies...
That's correct. Sooner or later that streak will end... But I highly doubt that it will be soon. Considering that it started when they were rookies...
Yeah.....probably later haha. Just an amazing feat. I'd like to meet the mentors behind that team. Not saying its not because of the students or anything like that, but did some well-known team get them started, like 1114, or someone awesome like that? ;) In other words, anyone know the history of their team?
Travis Hoffman
15-06-2011, 04:12
Yeah.....probably later haha. Just an amazing feat. I'd like to meet the mentors behind that team. Not saying its not because of the students or anything like that, but did some well-known team get them started, like 1114, or someone awesome like that? ;) In other words, anyone know the history of their team?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XEi4yjgAUMM&feature=channel_video_title
This doesn't tell the whole story of 2056's origin by any means but the student in the vest on 1114's drive team - Tyler Holtzman - would be 2056's lead engineering mentor and drive team coach now.
Adam Freeman
15-06-2011, 11:00
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XEi4yjgAUMM&feature=channel_video_title
This doesn't tell the whole story of 2056's origin by any means but the student in the vest on 1114's drive team - Tyler Holtzman - would be 2056's lead engineering mentor and drive team coach now.
In the video, it appears that Tyler is calming Karthik down. Seems backwards that the students are calming the coach down. :eek:
I guess Tyler was wise beyond his years. Probably why he is one of the best coaches out there now.
Most unorthodox should go to Mad Cow Robotics for their rotary walker drivetrain from 2003 - 2005.
See pictures below and link here (http://www.chiefdelphi.com/media/photos/20091).
http://www.chiefdelphi.com/media/img/a0c/a0cb6764b06e93eaac9f795ed2cce76c_l.jpg
Didnt 71 have one of those for the 2002 year? And I would have to say the most unique/unorthodox should go to 190 for their ball-slinger-lasso thing for 2008(which ended up being deemed an illegal strategy if I remember correctly)
In the video, it appears that Tyler is calming Karthik down. Seems backwards that the students are calming the coach down. :eek:
Trust me, I was calm. :P
A very cool fact about that match. There were two future WFFA Einstein coaches who were student drivers in that match. Can anyone spot the other?
As for the story of 2056, their lead teacher Stan Hunter attened 1114 meetings as an observer for the entire 2006 build season. That summer 1114, led by then college mentor Tyler Holtzman build a new Aim High robot as a summer prototype. This robot was then used by 2056 at an off-season event that they entered as a pre-rookie team, with Tyler coaching them. 2056 was then mentored by 1114 for the 2007 season, but it was really the guidance provided by Stan and Tyler that got them started on their meteoric ascent.
GCentola
15-06-2011, 14:40
I would like to say that, at FLR this year, we had a practice match scheduled with 2056. This was, unfortunately, the only time we worked with them because they would then proceed to choose an amazing alliance and head to the finals against us in 3 great matches. Before the practice match, I was talking with Tyler and it was clear that he knew exactly what he was doing. Because of this, I had a large amount of respect for him, and as a student coach, I found the conversation a great learning opportunity.
Chris is me
15-06-2011, 14:41
Trust me, I was calm. :P
A very cool fact about that match. There were two future WFFA Einstein coaches who were student drivers in that match. Can anyone spot the other?
Pat driving for 296?
Didnt 71 have one of those for the 2002 year? And I would have to say the most unique/unorthodox should go to 190 for their ball-slinger-lasso thing for 2008(which ended up being deemed an illegal strategy if I remember correctly)
71's file card drive in 2002 was (one of) the reasons that no metal is allowed to contact the floor in traction devices to this day. How to move them: You Don't.
190's 2008 robot was deemed both legal and illegal, depending on event. IIRC, you couldn't break the plane of the lane divider in 2008--they wound up having to change their robot or strategy to not do that.
However, most unique/unorthodox is now a split.
469, 2010--the only immovable diverter that could also shoot goals.
190, 2004--the ONLY robot that could hang from the bar (50 points), block other robots from getting onto the bar (no points for opponents, but add 50 points for a partner), and steal a doubler ball off of a goal and plant it onto their own (doubles your goal points, halves your opponent's), all at the same time. Other teams could do 2 (usually hang and doubler; the few that did hang and block were very good at doing it); nobody else did all 3.
190, 2004--the ONLY robot that could hang from the bar (50 points), block other robots from getting onto the bar (no points for opponents, but add 50 points for a partner), and steal a doubler ball off of a goal and plant it onto their own (doubles your goal points, halves your opponent's), all at the same time. Other teams could do 2 (usually hang and doubler; the few that did hang and block were very good at doing it); nobody else did all 3.
Isn't that what 868 did also that year?
Isn't that what 868 did also that year?868 was one of the 2-fers: They had no means of stealing the doubler ball.
64, 190, 237, 330, 868, and 1266 could all block the bar while hanging. 190 and 330 could remove the doubler. But only 190 could place the doubler on their own goal. To make matters worse for their opponents, you just about had to stop them in autonomous mode, and that meant climbing onto their 6" step before they did.
Al Skierkiewicz
16-06-2011, 08:06
71's file card drive in 2002 was (one of) the reasons that no metal is allowed to contact the floor in traction devices to this day. How to move them: You Don't.
All you had to do was push from the side or back. Pushed into the field side, they were not able to maneuver. File cards can't steer. 111 managed to do exactly that in Chicago but lost the match when our human player gave them additional points in the heat of the match.
Although the file cards did fluff up the carpet a little, it was the cleats and other anchor devices that teams used that penetrated the carpet and damaged the floor beneath. One such incident damaged a newly painted basketball court as I remember. There was a team that actually used circular saw blades for wheels one year.
Lil' Lavery
18-06-2011, 18:09
However, most unique/unorthodox is now a split.
469, 2010--the only immovable diverter that could also shoot goals.
2992.
51.
2992.
51.
If either one had a kicker, I'll retract my statement. But IIRC, neither one did. 469 kicked, scored by redirecting, and couldn't be gotten out of the tunnel without an awful lot of work (or leaving on their own).
Oh, and 125 was also a hanging diverter.
If either one had a kicker, I'll retract my statement. But IIRC, neither one did. 469 kicked, scored by redirecting, and couldn't be gotten out of the tunnel without an awful lot of work (or leaving on their own).
Oh, and 125 was also a hanging diverter.
https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-uHh175qGXaw/TKej3IO6E3I/AAAAAAAAA44/6jBSidmMrnE/s800/Picture%252520017.jpg
Maybe revise and say the only diverter that reliably scored goals/could easily direct the path of balls. 70, 494, and many others could also easily redirect goals.
Andrew Schreiber
18-06-2011, 19:47
If either one had a kicker, I'll retract my statement. But IIRC, neither one did. 469 kicked, scored by redirecting, and couldn't be gotten out of the tunnel without an awful lot of work (or leaving on their own).
Oh, and 125 was also a hanging diverter.
51 had a kicker and a diverter (hung to divert).
2337 also had a diverter that functioned both while they were on the ground and when the were waiting for people to suspend off them.
Both were immovable once they hung. Both were relatively strong scorers without their diverter.
Seeing as I can't edit my previous post:
469 was the most reliable (and feared) tunnel-blocking diverter in 2010.
@Duke: I don't count the many slope-side diverters in the same category as the dedicated diverters like 469, 51, and 125. There's a pretty big difference between having a sloped side to simply bounce the balls in the general direction you want them to go and being able to put the ball in the goal using a diversion channel. Could they divert? Yes. Could they score and divert at the same time? They did need luck on their side.
Seeing as I can't edit my previous post:
469 was the most reliable (and feared) tunnel-blocking diverter in 2010.
@Duke: I don't count the many slope-side diverters in the same category as the dedicated diverters like 469, 51, and 125. There's a pretty big difference between having a sloped side to simply bounce the balls in the general direction you want them to go and being able to put the ball in the goal using a diversion channel. Could they divert? Yes. Could they score and divert at the same time? They did need luck on their side.
I agree, thats why i suggested a clearer way of putting it. I knew what you meant when referencing 469. However, lavery brought up 2992 and i had never seen their bot before, and not one of the pics from Nationals was from the front side so i couldnt really tell if they could score or not. Sorry for the confusion. ;)
Lil' Lavery
19-06-2011, 02:50
A couple examples of 2992:
http://www.thebluealliance.com/match/2010cur_qm32
http://www.thebluealliance.com/match/2010cur_qm69
Chris is me
19-06-2011, 11:43
If either one had a kicker, I'll retract my statement. But IIRC, neither one did.
This is completely wrong. They both did, that's how both of them won their events.
The more I think about it, the more profound the spam was. It was essentially talking about recording oneself while playing an instrument so it was in a different context, but I'd like to bring up what it said. It said that recording can be both an ego boost and humbling. I think the same is true for setting a record. It can certainly be an ego boost but it can also be humbling. Sometimes realizing what your capable of just shows how much more there is to do. I mean, great that you did well at robotics but now what? The fact that you set a record worthy of being noted means that you got talent. With that, you have responsibility. You should be pleased that you did well, but think on to what next. That is where you get both an ego boost and humbled at the same time.
Who knew spam could be so profound?
Jason
Al Skierkiewicz
21-06-2011, 08:10
It said that recording can be both an ego boost and humbling.
Jason
Many years ago I had the good fortune to meet the father of magnetic recording, Marvin Camras. He started out by devising a method to record his cousin singing opera in the bathroom. His cousin thought himself a great singer but didn't know how he sounded to others. Marvin devised a method of recording on a wire stretched between two trees in the back yard. The recording head was attached to pulleys that rolled down the wire from one tree to another. From that beginning, Marvin went on to develop magnetic recording receiving more than 500 patents over his lifetime. His patents covered magnetic recording on floppy disc and hard drives. He also wrote a paper in 1962 titled "Magnetic recording and reproduction - 2012 A.D.". In this paper he predicted mass storage of audio and video in devices no bigger than a pack of cards with no moving parts.
461 is the only team to win 2 World Best Website Awards ('06 and '10), if anyone cares about website awards......:p
I do. Oh wait I was on the website team :P
sciencenuetzel
28-10-2015, 17:29
That's correct. Sooner or later that streak will end... But I highly doubt that it will be soon. Considering that it started when they were rookies...
So this post is about 5 yes old, but Eric was correct. The 2056 streak continues at 22 wins. Currently the 4th most of all time and the longest consecutive.
I am wondering what other records are out there these days...
The 2056 streak continues at 22 wins. Currently the 4th most of all time and the longest consecutive.
Note that this is 22 wins out of 22 total regionals attended. At every single regional 2056 has competed at, they've went home with a blue banner.
Briansmithtown
28-10-2015, 19:12
We had an unorthodox attempt at the 2014 game
Darkseer54
28-10-2015, 20:59
So this post is about 5 yes old, but Eric was correct. The 2056 streak continues at 22 wins. Currently the 4th most of all time and the longest consecutive.
I am wondering what other records are out there these days...
Actually, this year 1114 tied 254 for the most blue banners overall, both having 39.
InspectorGadget1073
29-10-2015, 21:03
I think that any robot 1114 and 254 is an amazing robot. :)
How many do they have know. I think they will do it in the next few years!
Going to old predictions about 2056.... too bad this one is wrong (it's referring to them winning the World Championship). They've gotten close... and not made silver yet.
So, 22/22 at regionals, three division/subdivision wins, several IRI wins... and no World Championship. I'm wondering what happens when they do win that big show...
Since this old thread has been revived, an update on most consecutive matches won in one season...40 straight by 987 in 2012 ( through 2 Regionals and first 8 qualifiers at Champs)... May have been exceeded since then though... so feel free to update my update :)
orangemoore
30-10-2015, 23:52
Since this old thread has been revived, an update on most consecutive matches won in one season...40 straight by 987 in 2012 ( through 2 Regionals and first 8 qualifiers at Champs)... May have been exceeded since then though... so feel free to update my update :)
Looking for a longer streak. 971 had 36 matches all the way through 2 regionals and the first match of champs in 2014.
I think longest win streak would be a good feature for TBA
Looking for a longer streak. 971 had 36 matches all the way through 2 regionals and the first match of champs in 2014.
I think longest win streak would be a good feature for TBA
Am I missing something in your post? How is 36>40?
Am I missing something in your post? How is 36>40?
I think he was just commenting on the longest he could find.
orangemoore
31-10-2015, 00:24
Am I missing something in your post? How is 36>40?
Nope. I can't find anything longer. 40 matches in a row edges out any streak I could find.
I think he was just commenting on the longest he could find.
This was what I was trying to do.
Sorry for any confusion.:)
waialua359
31-10-2015, 06:12
Ahh...got it;)
In 2010, we had a streak of 47 matches where we didnt lose a match. (3 ties IIRC).
However, I believe 1114's streak in 2010 was much much longer until they purposely lost a match.
In 2010, we had a streak of 47 matches where we didnt lose a match. (3 ties IIRC).
However, I believe 1114's streak in 2010 was much much longer until they purposely lost a match.
1114's was longer, but it had some ties as well. Their first unintentional loss was on Einstein, which I'd be astounded if any other team has done that in the modern era of FRC.
1114's was longer, but it had some ties as well. Their first unintentional loss was on Einstein, which I'd be astounded if any other team has done that in the modern era of FRC.
Einstein finals*
http://www.thebluealliance.com/team/1114/2010
1114's was longer, but it had some ties as well. Their first unintentional loss was on Einstein, which I'd be astounded if any other team has done that in the modern era of FRC.
987 had a 39 game winning streak in 2012. They lost their last qualifier by three points, then went on to only lose in Einstien finals after that. Overall they were 47-3 on the season, which is pretty close but 1114's 2010 run is still just barely better.
Michael Corsetto
31-10-2015, 10:59
1678 went undefeated in 2015, 10-0.
Won all four events we attended.
What a weird year.
-Mike
1678 went undefeated in 2015, 10-0.
Won all four events we attended.
What a weird year.
-Mike
You'll have to continue that streak to the 2016 season, you know. No pressure.
Longest banner drought by a quality team?
Mark McLeod
31-10-2015, 13:22
Longest banner drought by a quality team?
Well,
191:
2 National Chairmanship awards in the early years '92 & '94 (certifying quality).
Next blue banner in 2005
So, a 11 year drought.
There are others, but I suppose quality measures are debatable, maybe Chairman's/Engineering Excellence/or other preponderance of technical awards?
Since you appear to be done with your fall yardwork ;)
Team winning the "We'll get it next year" award, the team(s) with the longest time before winning a banner.
sciencenuetzel
31-10-2015, 15:52
In 2010, we had a streak of 47 matches where we didnt lose a match. (3 ties IIRC).
However, I believe 1114's streak in 2010 was much much longer until they purposely lost a match.
Why did they purposely lose?
tindleroot
31-10-2015, 16:24
Why did they purposely lose?
http://www.chiefdelphi.com/forums/showthread.php?t=85416
Should tell you what you need to know.
Richard Wallace
31-10-2015, 16:27
Why did they purposely lose?
Warning: can of worms opening!
2010 seeding (http://www.usfirst.org/uploadedFiles/Community/FRC/Game_and_Season__Info/2010_Assets/09_The%20Tournament_RevE.pdf) was atypical. See section 9.3.4.
Christopher149
31-10-2015, 19:29
Since you appear to be done with your fall yardwork ;)
Team winning the "We'll get it next year" award, the team(s) with the longest time before winning a banner.
Not sure what a "quality" team necessarily is - but 857 has been finalist x2, district EI x1, and yet have no blue banner going on 15 years of existence.
By comparison, 2586 (a sister team to us) didn't win any judged awards until this past year, but has 2 blue banners as winning alliance (and was finalist 4 other times).
ratdude747
01-11-2015, 06:11
Well,
191:
2 National Chairmanship awards in the early years '94 & '96 (certifying quality).
Next blue banner in 2005
So, a 9 year drought.
There are others, but I suppose quality measures are debatable, maybe Chairman's/Engineering Excellence/or other preponderance of technical awards?
You mean 1992 and 1994? That would make it 11 years.
Well,
191:
2 National Chairmanship awards in the early years '94 & '96 (certifying quality).
Next blue banner in 2005
So, a 9 year drought.
There are others, but I suppose quality measures are debatable, maybe Chairman's/Engineering Excellence/or other preponderance of technical awards?
92 and 94. we almost won it again in 96 (and I heard that if we won it a third time they would have let us keep the clock too).
Mark McLeod
01-11-2015, 08:20
Yea, sorry. I fixed that.
I knew better, but got '96 mixed up with other comparisons I was checking.
Not sure what a "quality" team necessarily is - but 857 has been finalist x2, district EI x1, and yet have no blue banner going on 15 years of existence.
I had asked a different question than the original "quality team in a drought". 15 years is a long time to go without a banner, but on the other hand EI is a pretty good award to win.
If my numbers are correct, 461 Westside Boiler Invasion rookie year 2000.
4 time finalists, 4 time EI, and 2 time Chairman's.
16 years always a bridesmaid, hopefully 17 in the ticket!
Peyton Yeung
01-11-2015, 11:19
If my numbers are correct, 461 Westside Boiler Invasion rookie year 2000.
4 time finalists, 4 time EI, and 2 time Chairman's.
16 years always a bridesmaid, hopefully 17 in the ticket!
Here's hoping we break the finalist curse this year.
Lil' Lavery
01-11-2015, 14:55
If my numbers are correct, 461 Westside Boiler Invasion rookie year 2000.
4 time finalists, 4 time EI, and 2 time Chairman's.
16 years always a bridesmaid, hopefully 17 in the ticket!
There are several older teams without a regional victory.
There are several older teams without a regional victory.
I can name one that is about the same age and even "farther" out than 461: 599 has NO banners of any type and 3 finalists. They do have a tendency to come home with the Gracious Professionalism Award, though.
tindleroot
01-11-2015, 20:17
Team 81, The MetalHeads, has been around for 22 years and have yet to win a blue banner, or even be finalists.
Andrew Schreiber
02-11-2015, 10:38
You mean 1992 and 1994? That would make it 11 years.
Which matches 71's current World Championship drought (2004 - 2015)... And also the difference between their first World Championship (97) and the year someone else won a second World Championship (2008).
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