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RoboWizard
04-01-2010, 09:43
I'm thinking that it has something to do with light sensitivity with Black vs. white.. Look at how the color changes from top to bottom.
However, it would seriously mess with the robots if there were spectators wearing white/black or grey..
As for the reflective surface, i agree with ice.. but it might possibly be some sort of shiny metal, since ice is normally white, even under such lighting conditions.
ATannahill
04-01-2010, 12:15
Bad part about getting the hint on the 24th is we can't ask teachers what they think. My math teacher told me it looked like a ceiling jack. I went googling and found this picture.
http://www.taylorrentalmundelein.com/drywall_jack.jpg
EricVanWyk
04-01-2010, 13:17
I think that this will be a 2v2v2 year, and each robot is bolted to its alliance member with one of these things.
Katie_UPS
04-01-2010, 13:19
I think that this will be a 2v2v2 year, and each robot is bolted to its alliance member with one of these things.
Yes. :D
Jonathan Norris
04-01-2010, 13:39
I think that this will be a 2v2v2 year, and each robot is bolted to its alliance member with one of these things.
You know what that could be really interesting... and could bring more robots into the playoffs if they bring back the 3 team alliances with a backup bot that has to play a certain number of times.
EricVanWyk
04-01-2010, 13:45
You know what that could be really interesting... and could bring more robots into the playoffs if they bring back the 3 team alliances with a backup bot that has to play a certain number of times.
Maybe the backup bot is what is connected to the lexan? They could be dragged along for the ride, but not functioning.
Ok, maybe a little silly, but it would be really cool to see FIRST Voltron style.
GaryVoshol
04-01-2010, 13:46
I think that this will be a 2v2v2 year, and each robot is bolted to its alliance member with one of these things.
Could be 3v3, and a red and blue robot are connected together. Back to a tractor pull.
WHAT IF IT IS LIKE A FORK LIFT ARM THAT PIVIOTS LIKE A SKID LOADER
IT COULD ATTACH TO THE HOLES ON THE SIDES OF THE BRACKET TO PIVOT AND ATTACHES CENTER
artdutra04
04-01-2010, 15:43
the field cant be too hard to create every year they give you instructions on how to build one so we all can practice so if the floor is made out of ices how could we practice plus it would cost more keeping it leveled and all right ? im just hoping this year its not like the last were we barely have control of the robotBut Dave already figured that out for the curling game. 2010 is a Winter Olympics year, just thought to point that out. :p
http://www.team116.org/Images/CurlingBots.jpg (http://www.chiefdelphi.com/forums/showpost.php?p=362430&postcount=14)
But Dave already figured that out for the curling game. 2010 is a Winter Olympics year, just thought to point that out. :p
http://www.team116.org/Images/CurlingBots.jpg (http://www.chiefdelphi.com/forums/showpost.php?p=362430&postcount=14)
There needs to be a loop and then its interesting :)
ttldomination
04-01-2010, 15:58
There needs to be a loop and then its interesting :)
Like that game already lacks so much interest. :ahh:
Maybe the fact that it is a 3D rendering is hinting that there are going to be more three-dimensional elements to the field surface, like ramps or uneven terrain.
JohnBoucher
04-01-2010, 18:36
I think it's a release for the giant rubber bands that are replacing the motors this year.
Does anyone who's made a model of these know if they stack in each other? This could be a ladder for robots to step on or something.
now the real question is, would they be stable. I think they look a little unstable for a robot to be climbing on.
I've been wondering, what if it's a vertical column, in which teams can clime it like a space elevator for extra points (at the end of the game)?
Chris is me
04-01-2010, 19:45
now the real question is, would they be stable. I think they look a little unstable for a robot to be climbing on.
If the lip's made of quarter inch lexan that can take a 125 pound force with a safety factor of 2, I think it would be plenty stable.
JimWright949
04-01-2010, 19:48
This part looks upside down to me.
-Jim
If the lip's made of quarter inch lexan that can take a 125 pound force with a safety factor of 2, I think it would be plenty stable.
But if a robot is driving and runs in to it with more than 125 pounds of force there would be broken lexan all over the feild and replacing it every few rounds would be annoying...
Chris is me
04-01-2010, 21:13
But if a robot is driving and runs in to it with more than 125 pounds of force there would be broken lexan all over the feild and replacing it every few rounds would be annoying...
Lexan cracks, it doesn't shatter like glass.
Perhaps it is above driving level?
rulesall2
04-01-2010, 21:24
Lexan cracks, it doesn't shatter like glass.
Perhaps it is above driving level?
That could be plausible, and they have to be pushed up to a certain height with something on them? And the glass around the field last year was 1/4'' lexan, and it held up fairly well. I couldn't imagine why it wouldn't hold this year, excluding the change in friction. The lexan took a beating this year with all the crashing and pushing. Assuming a high or regular friction this year, would the lexan really take that much more abuse?
ive been staring at this thing ever since it came out and i think the key part is the lexan. why would they use lexan instead of aluminum or steel plates? im guessing (because of the holes in the lexan) that something will be mounted to it. And if it was a piece thats going to be directly interacted with by the robots, lexan probably wouldnt have been used because of the possibility of it cracking. so, my guess is that whatever is mounted to it will be something that needs to bee seen from all sides (hence the clear lexan)...something along the lines of a traking light or a becon of somekind.
JaneYoung
04-01-2010, 21:46
Lexan cracks, it doesn't shatter like glass.
Perhaps it is above driving level?
I keep seeing it as a part of some type of a boom.
WhiteShadow1474
04-01-2010, 21:48
But the thing is, would FRC really recycle messing with elevation? I mean, as awesome as it was for robots lifting themselves up, it's been done. Unless the theme is to get a piece of every past competition :ahh:
I'm not sure if anyone else has noticed or commented on this (I didn't feel like reading the entire feed) but has anyone else noticed that there seems to be a second sort of shadow which doesn't belong to the part? It's more visible when the picture has been inverted... around the middle (see thumbnail).
There's another thread on CD about Dave's "hint" that nothing is as what it seems to be... what if this is referring to the hint? Maybe we're meant to look at what is not as visible as the part itself. I could even be that the part is just a means of distracting us from this other thing, or discoloration in the picture.
If this shadow/thing is what we're meant to be looking at, what could it be? I have thought possibly a ramp, or some sort of terrain to add to the field.
Just food for thought :)
Rob.
Chris is me
04-01-2010, 22:07
But the thing is, would FRC really recycle messing with elevation? I mean, as awesome as it was for robots lifting themselves up, it's been done. Unless the theme is to get a piece of every past competition :ahh:
The elevation concept from 2004 is itself recycled... from 2000.
rulesall2
04-01-2010, 22:16
Yes, I only post funny responses because I'd rather just wait until Jan 9th
I'm now taking Akash's approach, in fact, I'm even looking further. The "OMG there's not enough time left" has begun...
http://www.signaturebar.com/countdown/counter-7829.jpg (http://www.signaturebar.com/)
Feel free to use it as a userbar. :p pm me for the text.
I'm not sure if anyone else has noticed or commented on this (I didn't feel like reading the entire feed) but has anyone else noticed that there seems to be a second sort of shadow which doesn't belong to the part? It's more visible when the picture has been inverted... around the middle (see thumbnail).
There's another thread on CD about Dave's "hint" that nothing is as what it seems to be... what if this is referring to the hint? Maybe we're meant to look at what is not as visible as the part itself. I could even be that the part is just a means of distracting us from this other thing, or discoloration in the picture.
If this shadow/thing is what we're meant to be looking at, what could it be? I have thought possibly a ramp, or some sort of terrain to add to the field.
Just food for thought :)
Rob.
It has been discussed, a lot!
This is why you should read the whole thread before posting.
My first thought was that it looks like some sort of yoke, but that seems too similar to last years idea with the trailers. Unless, this year you attach and reattach trailers...
I don't see how it would be adjustable. There are two pins on either sides that snap into other tubes, but those holes in the center are for attaching the plastic piece, not for sliding, right?
I agree with you
It is possible that the robots will need to dock onto it, and if the attachment to the robot has a cone shape, it will be very simple to do so without pushing in the springloaded pins
Ted Weisse
05-01-2010, 00:49
It's maybe where you are going to sort the "cans", "plastic" and "cardboard" into chutes.
Necromonger
05-01-2010, 01:50
the interesting thing is that the poles look like they ate telescoping, but with the bolts inside there isn't much room for extra metal. This leads me to believe that there may be small springs in the ends of the center tubes, which might be to absorb impact. Also, considering the winter olympics are this year it may pertain to a sport to be played at the games. Also, note the curve in the plastic. Track? Runnners? If it pertains to a spart, it most likely involves skating. The field could possibly be made of ice, but it's unlikely because there would be too much risk of short circuiting. Not the holes on the underside of the pole ends. the reflective white surface most likely means ice, or winter. the underside holes might mean robots braced together, which would reinforce the idea of springs.
Necromonger
05-01-2010, 01:52
This could also be a very large object, and the so called spring loaded pins could be axels.
Necromonger
05-01-2010, 01:56
If the parts are axels, add wheels and tank treads. easily put on if parts have springs, and it would also mean terrain. and being winter games year could mean skiing...
Hey how do you start a new fourm.
Daniel_LaFleur
05-01-2010, 08:24
Hey how do you start a new fourm.
You cannot start a new forum ... only moderators can do that.
If you want to start a new thread (which is what I suspect you wish to do) then on the portal page you click on forums (righhand link on the orange bar) then select the forum you wish the thread to be in, then click on the 'new thread' button.
@ Necromonger
Please use the edit feature rather than posting multiple times in a row.
dwodrich
05-01-2010, 09:22
My wild guess:
Maybe not related to the hint, unless the pictured item is a syringe, but how about something to do with viruses and vaccinations? This allows for offense (infecting the opposition) and defense (fighting the virus). Could use different colored objects and you could score antibiotics on yourself or viruses on the opposition. Winner is the one with more antibiotics than viruses.
It's a part of the launch platform to keep the robot upright until the solid fuel boosters ignite. Last years "Lunacy" game developed the necessary drivetrain, and now we're going to the moon! Awesome!
I keep seeing it as a part of some type of a boom.
it could be an arm like on a fork lift
Could be 3v3, and a red and blue robot are connected together. Back to a tractor pull.
i do tractor pulls it doesnt seem to be like that for the mounting plates or anything
Mabye the object in the picture has nothing to do with the competition, but the hint is reflection.
Tank2010
05-01-2010, 16:49
U know at the regional we went to we had complaints about how the Plexiglas was too reflexive so my guess is we r probably dealing with somthing that is reflexive like that. know playing on ice will b hard to do cuse not all of the arenas r on ice most of them are on concrete. so thats improbable.
Mabye the object in the picture has nothing to do with the competition, but the hint is reflection.
You know, it wouldn't surprise me at all if this were true.
Just to take things in a different direction...
What if the game hint is only to get you to focus on the "pins" as so many have called them.
And in fact even Bill in his blog has mentioned pinning the game down. Right Here! (http://frcdirector.blogspot.com/2009/08/breaking-news.html)
And thinking of pins where do you find "pins"? Bowling.
So now we have bowling or something close... oh whats this?
Robot scoring?!?!? well then Bill is giving a lot of clues. Bill's Post! (http://frcdirector.blogspot.com/2009/10/gotta-go.html)
and of course the game wouldnt be entertaining to all ages (http://www.usfirst.org/aboutus/content.aspx?id=15257), without some sliding robot action. Bill talks about GDC discussing traction mechanisms on his post here (http://frcdirector.blogspot.com/2009/09/tune-in-tomorrow.html)!
So I think the keyword here folks is "Pins"
3days 16hours 58 minutes 30sec left to kickoff
RoboMaster
05-01-2010, 17:11
I don't think that this is very vaguely related to the actual game. Remember, the GDC is cruel, but they have given hints that are very direct (but still can be interpreted in many ways). Remember 2008's IR receiver? This very much looks like a field element and it is CADed up, not like a picture or anything. I'm going with that this directly related to the game somehow.
Prash R.
05-01-2010, 17:17
Just to take things in a different direction...
What if the game hint is only to get you to focus on the "pins" as so many have called them.
And in fact even Bill in his blog has mentioned pinning the game down. Right Here! (http://frcdirector.blogspot.com/2009/08/breaking-news.html)
And thinking of pins where do you find "pins"? Bowling.
So now we have bowling or something close... oh whats this?
Robot scoring?!?!? well then Bill is giving a lot of clues. Bill's Post! (http://frcdirector.blogspot.com/2009/10/gotta-go.html)
and of course the game wouldnt be entertaining to all ages (http://www.usfirst.org/aboutus/content.aspx?id=15257), without some sliding robot action. Bill talks about GDC discussing traction mechanisms on his post here (http://frcdirector.blogspot.com/2009/09/tune-in-tomorrow.html)!
So I think the keyword here folks is "Pins"
3days 16hours 58 minutes 30sec left to kickoff
It does kind of look like one of those mini bowling frames, without the bowling pins.
Also whenever I look at this, it reminds me of army camouflage, so maybe something that has to do with army.
It does kind of look like one of those mini bowling frames, without the bowling pins.
I agree. FRC1612's analysis is indeed quite plausible.
Agreed. It dose sound plauseable to be related to bowling in such a maner.
Eugene Fang
05-01-2010, 17:46
and of course the game wouldnt be entertaining to all ages (http://www.usfirst.org/aboutus/content.aspx?id=15257), without some sliding robot action. Bill talks about GDC discussing traction mechanisms on his post here (http://frcdirector.blogspot.com/2009/09/tune-in-tomorrow.html)!
Oh PLEEAAASE no more "regolith." Although since it wouldn't be simulating the lunar terrain, it wouldn't be called regolith.
PLEEAAASE no more semi-bumpy-white-bathroom-wall-lining material! :ahh:
Oh PLEEAAASE no more "regolith." Although since it wouldn't be simulating the lunar terrain, it wouldn't be called regolith.
PLEEAAASE no more semi-bumpy-white-bathroom-wall-lining material! :ahh:
I do have to say that the flooring was very annoying! But if you could score by sliding your robot into some type of game eliminate. That could make things interesting!
I wish a robot stacking bonus is in this years game. :D
J93Wagner
05-01-2010, 18:50
I wish a robot stacking bonus is in this years game. :D
FRC 2007, been there, done that.
FRC 2007, been there, done that.
That is true but i Loved that game! I <3 Rack N Roll... Cant wait for kickoff. I will be saying that i love this game too :)
Necromonger
05-01-2010, 19:33
Playing on ice=tank treads, because larger surface area contacting the ice would result in easy manuverablity. however this is very unlikely
360skier
05-01-2010, 19:44
Playing on ice=tank treads, because larger surface area contacting the ice would result in easy manuverablity. however this is very unlikely
Not necessarily. You would get more surface area, but at the same time you'd reduce your pressure by the same amount, so the overall traction would remain the same (at least theoretically).
ya but theories dont all ways simulate reality...
By the way i appologize if i spellet any thing wrong thats not my strong suit...
calicogang
05-01-2010, 21:10
Ok, look at the left hand side, and it doesn't match the right side. Also, what's up with the extra holes on both sides and the front of the lexan?
Rusty shaklferd
05-01-2010, 21:31
Hey, alright well my idea I'm sticking with unless kickoff tells me wrong; but i think it is going to have something to do with "go-green". I'm not sure really how the shapes pretain to it quite yet but these games tend to revolve around what is going on in the world right now. Last year "lunar" NASA was really big last year, well right now "go-green" is a big, so maybe we are going to do a game based on anything that revolves around that. Just my input.
Have fun at the kick off everyone see you there. :D
Tetraman
05-01-2010, 21:52
inb4 they post a hint 24 hours before game reveal.
Adding to the "Green Theme" perhaps this is a rail in which we have to sort out garbage from recyclables and roll them down the correct rail? That'd be interesting.
We get so bombarded from everywhere about green this and green that. I'm all for saving the planet and all, but I'm gonna loose some hair if the game goes down that road!
Joe Schornak
06-01-2010, 00:25
So, seeing as there are only 4 days untill kickoff, and i have nothing better to do until then...
FREE ASSOCIATION TIME!!!1!
The two longish objects along the sides of the piece seem to be tubes.
The internet is a series of tubes.
E-mails travel along the tubes of the internets, and also in letter form through vacuum tubes in some older office buildings.
Vacuums and other suction devices were ruled as illegal in 2009 due to potential damage to the regolith.
A vacuum is also a type of cleaning device, which could be used to clean the regolith after a long day of play, or to clean donut crumbs from the floor of the GDC uber-secret design bunker after a long night of conspiracy.
Another cleaning implement is a bottle of Windex.
Windex could be used to clean those smudges from the reflection on the Lexan on the game hint object so that the true meaning of the hint would be visible.
My computer screen is fairly smudged from contact with my greasy, unwashed forehead during moments of confusion and frustration while attempting to decipher the game hint.
The internet is visible through by computer screen.
The internet is clearly a series of tubes.
Thus, the game piece contains TUBES, which are clearly visible...on the side..of...the...piece.
Drat.
The game hint is undecipherable.
I'm going to go back to my lair and cry in misery now...
It's definitely a piece of the field. With my mind wondering I'm picturing connecting multiple pieces and standing them up to make a limbo type deal. Whatever it is I'm sure it will be fun. Good luck!!!
Bill Charlock
Pres. 07-09
Team 533
The Psicotics
Alexis Howell
06-01-2010, 12:56
A lot of people mention that it is telescoping, but my friend pointed out if you look behind the clear peice, you can see the edge of the shadow of the metal tubing in the front AND back. Guessing it slides back and forth on the metal tubes, with stoppers in the front and back... Wonder what it's for. The next hint shows a carpeted playing field...
A lot of people mention that it is telescoping, but my friend pointed out if you look behind the clear peice, you can see the edge of the shadow of the metal tubing in the front AND back. Guessing it slides back and forth on the metal tubes, with stoppers in the front and back... Wonder what it's for. The next hint shows a carpeted playing field...
thats because it looks like the longer piece slides through and the tabs on the end act as stops so it doesnt slide through and out.
tylerwpatterson
06-01-2010, 18:18
You throw it.
?
:)
Yin-Yang
06-01-2010, 18:21
with game hint 2 in mind, this could mean a bridge of 2 fields? similar to some of the FLL challenges a few years back. 2 fields with a BRIDGE mini-challenge connecting the too.
bassoondude
07-01-2010, 22:01
It looks like an ajustable forklift of some kind that would go on the end of the bot. With hint 2 in mind, it might be possible that we will have to lift things of different sizes over a railing of some kind.
viper110110
07-01-2010, 22:11
It looks like an ajustable forklift of some kind that would go on the end of the bot. With hint 2 in mind, it might be possible that we will have to lift things of different sizes over a railing of some kind.
a ROBOT BOT! We have to build a robot capable of lifting a robot onto the field.
That object looks an awful lot like an axis camera mount....
Nin_estarSaerah
09-01-2010, 10:53
Anyone else hear Dean mention a soccer ball in his speech?
:D
Maybe we are on the right "track".
Drivencrazy
09-01-2010, 10:56
I caught that too. Intentional or not it was definately a reference.
shocker4256
09-01-2010, 11:07
It's also a world cup year, and Kamen was emphasizing cooperation with the "sports model."
Elgin Clock
09-01-2010, 12:20
Looks like this clue 1 piece was part of the ball return track system the human player uses with the trident!
Awesome.
Sounds a bit familiar, but not used the exact same way I suggested in the second half of my idea here: :)
http://www.chiefdelphi.com/forums/showpost.php?p=758673&postcount=37
Still seems like a nice challenge!
So are we supposed to use regualtion wheels, like last year?
No, there are no restrictions on wheels that I can find.
I also noticed that this piece can be found in two places on the return track, apparently supporting a cable.
pandamonium
09-01-2010, 17:27
Love the ball track idea...
2010 is a World cup year for soccer (foot ball) much like last year was NASA Themed...
I posted this over a week ago earlier in this thread... :)
davidthefat
28-03-2010, 00:57
Even after the LA regional... IDK WTF this is... How was this a hint at all?
Rion Atkinson
28-03-2010, 01:03
Even after the LA regional... IDK WTF this is... How was this a hint at all?
If you look on the ball return ramp, you will see it is made up of many of these.
Even after the LA regional... IDK WTF this is... How was this a hint at all?
Look at the underside of the ball returns. There are not one, but 2 pieces like this there--they attach the ball return sections and the cable that runs underneath for extra support.
It's like the other hint: A piece of the field.
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