Can human players bring the ball to the player with the trident?

[zant1234]

Hey everyone. I might be the human player for my team and so far my entire team has assumed that the two human players who are in front of the corral can only pass the soccer balls to the human player with the trident. But then we considered if there is the option of running the balls to the trident. Is this legal? I found that rule <G50> states that "TEAM Positions during TELEOPERATED PERIOD - During the TELEOPERATED PERIOD,
the DRIVERS, COACH and HUMAN PLAYER may travel anywhere within the ALLIANCE STATION, but they must stay within the ALLIANCE STATION boundaries, and not step outside the designated area. Violation: One PENALTY for each violation. Exceptions will be
allowed in cases involving TEAM member safety."

[DonRotolo]

Is your question "must we throw the balls or can we carry them to the center human"? IF it is, I'd say that yes, it is perfectly OK to have someone carry the ball to the human with the trident.

This is my opinion, which has absolutely no value at any event or competition...

[zant1234]

Is your question "must we throw the balls or can we carry them to the center human"? IF it is, I'd say that yes, it is perfectly OK to have someone carry the ball to the human with the trident.

Yes this is my question...basically.

[GaryVoshol]

Not only can HP's bring the ball to the HP with the trident, any team member (even the coach) can handle the ball. But only a HP can use the trident to put the ball into the return. And during auto, only a HP can take the ball out of the corral.

HUMAN PLAYER: A pre-college student team member responsible for properly returning BALLS to the FIELD. There is one HUMAN PLAYER per TEAM. The HUMAN PLAYER is the only TEAM MEMBER that may handle the TRIDENT.

<G15> BALL Handling – BALLS may be handled by any TEAM member when BALLS are in the CORRAL or ALLIANCE STATION. BALLS may not be handled until they have exited from the BALL COUNTER and are in the CORRAL. Violation: PENALTY.

<G16> BALL Return - HUMAN PLAYERS must place BALLS on the BALL RETURN using the TRIDENT. No other means are permitted for TEAMS to return BALLS to the FIELD. Violation: Two PENALTIES and YELLOW CARD.

<G49> TEAM Positions during AUTONOMOUS PERIOD – During the AUTONOMOUS PERIOD, all TEAM members stand behind the STARTING LINE in their ALLIANCE ZONE. The HUMAN PLAYERS are permitted to reach into the CORRAL to retrieve BALLS. Any control devices worn or held by the DRIVERS must be disconnected from the OPERATOR CONSOLE, and not connected until after the AUTONOMOUS PERIOD. Violation: One PENALTY for each violation (stepping outside the designated area, or stepping across the STARTING LINE). Exceptions will be allowed in cases involving personal or OPERATOR CONSOLE safety.

<G50> TEAM Positions during TELEOPERATED PERIOD - During the TELEOPERATED PERIOD, the DRIVERS, COACH and HUMAN PLAYER may travel anywhere within the ALLIANCE STATION, but they must stay within the ALLIANCE STATION boundaries, and not step outside the designated area. Violation: One PENALTY for each violation. Exceptions will be allowed in cases involving TEAM member safety.

[andy174drive]

I've been wondering about something pertaining to the human player and haven't found a real answer to my question.

I'm wondering if the human player gets to choose where they are or is designated the position closest to their team's station?

Last year teams got to pick where their human player was positioned is it the same way this year?

[Phoenix Spud]

I've been wondering about something pertaining to the human player and haven't found a real answer to my question.

I'm wondering if the human player gets to choose where they are or is designated the position closest to their team's station?

Last year teams got to pick where their human player was positioned is it the same way this year?

I believe that this will be the case.

[ChrisP]

You definately CAN run them to and from your trident people, and it seems like a great idea, as it would avoid a miss-thrown ball and accidental penalties incurred.

[Stephen of REX]

But are the two non-trident human players allowed to place the ball into the trident to speed things up?

[_Tanto_]

As Gary has previously stated using the rules, they only say that the trident must be used to place balls on the return rack. They say nothing prohibiting the ball return players to place the balls in the trident.

You can always check Q&A if you are still skeptical as none of our answers on chiefdelphi are guarenteed.

[thefro526]

I've been wondering about something pertaining to the human player and haven't found a real answer to my question.

I'm wondering if the human player gets to choose where they are or is designated the position closest to their team's station?

Last year teams got to pick where their human player was positioned is it the same way this year?

In all of the FRC games I've played in HP Locations are usually decided on before the match by the teams involved.

There are no rules that prohibit starting locations of Human Players, and if they wanted to I believe they could switch positions during the match as long as they stay within the boundaries of the driver's station.

[jgannon]

any team member (even the coach) can handle the ball.
Is this the first time that coaches have been allowed to handle game pieces?

[viking]

The alliance members will talk while in line to determine where each Human Player will be.

Also my thoughts on the Human Player:
Build a trident and practice with soccer balls.
Walk/Run the ball to the middle player with the trident.
DO NOT THROW the ball, if you drop it and it rolls out of the Human Player designated area YOU WILL BE PENALIZED.
OUr team is going with the trategy of the Human Players take care of the ball, the Coach deals with the drivers issues.

[Peter Matteson]

Is this the first time that coaches have been allowed to handle game pieces?

No, they could hand the balls off in the 2004 game also.

[Brandon Holley]

No, they could hand the balls off in the 2004 game also.


If my memory serves correctly, they could be handled in 06 as well.

[zant1234]

Ok thanks everyone for your help...see you guys at the competition!!!

[viking]

Build a trident and practice placing the ball in the trident.
DO NOT THROW THE BALL.

[Rangel(kf7fdb)]

I have a question, people are saying that when you put the balls back into play with the trident, that you have to pull the trident strait down and not curved. Does anyone know where in the rules it states that. I looked already and couldn't find it so maybe I missed something.

[thefro526]

I have a question, people are saying that when you put the balls back into play with the trident, that you have to pull the trident strait down and not curved. Does anyone know where in the rules it states that. I looked already and couldn't find it so maybe I missed something.

There's no rule about this that I know of.

But I did find that the trident isn't the easiest thing to wield on your first time. After a few minutes of playing around I found that pulling the trident out in an arc that gives the ball a bit of a push seems like the most effective way to use it. It helps give the ball a little bit of help getting down the ball return.

These are the relevant trident rules I could find:


HUMAN PLAYER: A pre-college student team member responsible for properly returning BALLS to the FIELD. There is one HUMAN PLAYER per TEAM. The HUMAN PLAYER is the only TEAM MEMBER that may handle the TRIDENT.

<G16> BALL Return - HUMAN PLAYERS must place BALLS on the BALL RETURN using the TRIDENT. No other means are permitted for TEAMS to return BALLS to the FIELD. Violation: Two PENALTIES and YELLOW CARD

[O'Sancheski]

i would strongly recommend walking the ball over to the human player with the trident... since there probably won't be alot of goals this year you can take your time to get the balls over. just remember to do it within 11 seconds. walking the ball over will avoid confusion and will assure your alliance will safely reenter the ball back into play