State Rankings...Lets do it ourselves. [Archive]

GaryVoshol

15-03-2010, 19:05

You need to look at the most recent rules:
5.2.1 Qualifying and Registering to Compete
64 teams will qualify for the State Championship. Six (6) teams from each district event will automatically win a spot at the State Championship:
 3 spots for the teams making up the winning alliance
 1 spot for the Chairman’s Award winner
 1 spot for the Rookie All Star Award winner
 1 spot for the Engineering Inspiration Award winner
The balance of the 64 State Championship spots will be filled by the top teams in ranked order based on their total points following the close of the district season.

Joe J.

15-03-2010, 19:05

Your robot didn't, just your EI presenters.

Not true!

5.2.1 Qualifying and Registering to Compete 64 teams will qualify for the State Championship. Six (6) teams from each district event will automatically win a spot at the State Championship:

3 spots for the teams making up the winning alliance
1 spot for the Chairman’s Award winner
1 spot for the Rookie All Star Award winner
1 spot for the Engineering Inspiration Award winner

The balance of the 64 State Championship spots will be filled by the top teams in ranked order based on their total points following the close of the district season.

Fennig247

15-03-2010, 19:06

lol thanks for the backup guys. Yeah I was looking at that rule for an hour before I announced it to my team.

ExTexan

15-03-2010, 19:08

I've got 548, Northville Robostangs, at about 27 points before we dominate Wayne State.....and if that plan doesn't come together then we will slip in with our Chairman's at Kettering!

Joe J.

15-03-2010, 19:37

Lightning Robotics is at 47 points.

573 - 68 points (Qualified District Champs; AA)
862 - 47 points
247 - 37 points (Qualified EI; AA)
548 - 27 points (Qualified Chairman's: KU)

Alex Dinsmoor

15-03-2010, 21:06

The FEDS are sitting on 29 points after Kettering.

573 - 68 points (Qualified District Champs; AA)
862 - 47 points
247 - 37 points (Qualified EI; AA)
201 - 29
548 - 27 points (Qualified Chairman's: KU)

Paul Copioli

15-03-2010, 21:18

217 is sitting at 75 points after Cass Tech

217 - 75 points (Qualified District Champs + EI; CT)
573 - 68 points (Qualified District Champs; AA)
862 - 47 points
247 - 37 points (Qualified EI; AA)
201 - 29
548 - 27 points (Qualified Chairman's: KU)

Adam Freeman

15-03-2010, 21:28

67 has 73 pts. One qualifying match is the difference between 67 and 217. Darn field faults.

217 - 75 points (Qualified District Champs + EI; CT)
67 - 73 points (Qualified District Champs; KU)
573 - 68 points (Qualified District Champs; AA)
862 - 47 points
247 - 37 points (Qualified EI; AA)
201 - 29
548 - 27 points (Qualified Chairman's: KU)

kwotremb

15-03-2010, 21:32

Added us in there, without a great showing at Wayne State it will be hard for us to make it. Hoping for the kids sake we pull off a good showing!

217 - 75 points (Qualified District Champs + EI; CT)
573 - 68 points (Qualified District Champs; AA)
862 - 47 points
247 - 37 points (Qualified EI; AA)
201 - 29
548 - 27 points (Qualified Chairman's: KU)
818 - 11 points :(

CardcaptorRLH85

15-03-2010, 22:03

Well after our two district events (Kettering and Cass Tech) 322 is at 37 points. We can only hope at this point but it was good for the students anyway ^_^

217 - 75 points (Qualified District Champs + EI; CT)
573 - 68 points (Qualified District Champs; AA)
862 - 47 points
247 - 37 points (Qualified EI; AA)
322 - 37 points
201 - 29
548 - 27 points (Qualified Chairman's: KU)
818 - 11 points

nikeairmancurry

15-03-2010, 22:11

217 - 75 points (Qualified District Champs + EI; CT)
67 - 73 points (Qualified District Champs; KU)
573 - 68 points (Qualified District Champs; AA)
862 - 47 points
247 - 37 points (Qualified EI; AA)
322 - 37 points (Two Events)
201 - 29 points
548 - 27 points (Qualified Chairman's: KU)
326 - 24 points
818 - 11 points :(

Too many failures on systems, hopefully a rebound is coming at Troy!!

Wayne TenBrink

15-03-2010, 23:41

217 - 75 points (Qualified District Champs + EI; CT)
1918 - 75 points (TC district champ, MQ, CT)
67 - 73 points (Qualified District Champs; KU)
573 - 68 points (Qualified District Champs; AA)
2645 - 62 points (Qual TC champ)
862 - 47 points
247 - 37 points (Qualified EI; AA)
322 - 37 points (Two Events)
201 - 29 points
548 - 27 points (Qualified Chairman's: KU)
326 - 24 points
818 - 11 points

Basel A

15-03-2010, 23:58

Having played two events, Team 2337 seems to be leading the pack... for now

2337 - 104 points (Qualified District Champs; AA)
217 - 75 points (Qualified District Champs + EI; CT)
1918 - 75 points (TC district champ, MQ, CT)
67 - 73 points (Qualified District Champs; KU)
573 - 68 points (Qualified District Champs; AA)
2645 - 62 points (Qual TC champ)
862 - 47 points
247 - 37 points (Qualified EI; AA)
322 - 37 points (Two Events)
201 - 29 points
548 - 27 points (Qualified Chairman's: KU)
326 - 24 points
818 - 11 points

Clinton Bolinger

16-03-2010, 03:08

2337 - 104 points (Qualified District Champs; AA)
67 - 78 points (Qualified District Champs; KU)
217 - 75 points (Qualified District Champs + EI; CT)
1918 - 75 points (TC district champ, MQ, CT)
573 - 68 points (Qualified District Champs; AA)
2645 - 62 points (Qual TC champ)
862 - 47 points
247 - 46 points (Qualified EI; AA)
322 - 36 points (Two Events)
201 - 29 points
548 - 28 points (Qualified Chairman's: KU)
326 - 25 points
818 - 11 points

Team QP DP EP AP
67 22 16 30 10
247 16 13 10 7
322 27 9 0 0
548 11 7 0 10
326 12 8 0 5

I have different numbers.

-Clinton-

ExTexan

16-03-2010, 07:14

Code:
Team QP DP EP AP
67 22 16 30 10
247 16 13 10 7
322 27 9 0 0
548 11 7 0 0
326 12 8 0 5

For 548, I included 10 points for Chairman's award. Awards get points as well as playing points.

Jack Jones

16-03-2010, 08:15

Why can't you guys just hold your horses? The person who compiles the rankings has a day job. FiM is 100% volunteers, but even though they aren't getting paid, they are doing their best to insure that the posted results are accurate - that in the face of having to pour through the data just to come up with win/loss records and not being able to discern from the FIRST site who were the captain's first and second picks.

All you are doing here is to compound their problem with even more misinformation!

Adam Freeman

16-03-2010, 08:20

67 - 78 points (Qualified District Champs; KU)

I have different numbers.

-Clinton-

Ahh...good catch. I forgot we won the Quality Award also (+5pts).

Thanks!

Chris is me

16-03-2010, 08:23

Jack Jones

16-03-2010, 08:31

How does the tracking of approximate FiM stats in a CD thread (for fun) affect anyone else's job?

A better question is: How will it affect FiM if the volunteer decides to quit doing it?

Chris is me

16-03-2010, 08:38

A better question is: How will it affect FiM if the volunteer decides to quit doing it?

If FiM's volunteer decided to quit doing a job that needs to be done to determine the fate of FRC teams around the state just because some guys on Chief Delphi wanted to see how well they were doing relative to other teams, I'd question the decision to have that volunteer doing anything that has any impact on anyone.

Wayne TenBrink

16-03-2010, 12:53

I love the FiM system and appreciate the fact that it runs on volunteer power. However, for planning/logistics purposes, anything that lets teams know where they stand r.e. qualifying for State or the Championship is helpful.

Its also fun to speculate & helpful to know who you can expect to see at State.

I believe that the cutoff for State last year was around 40 points. I expect that this year will be about the same.

Unfortunately, the info on the FIRST site doesn't go deep enough for us to generate statewide points/standings.

Clinton Bolinger

16-03-2010, 15:50

This maybe a tad bit more helpful:

http://www.firstinmichigan.org/staticpages/index.php?page=2010_Results_Overall

Congrats to Team 2619 ... Ranked #1 at the end of week 2.

-Clinton-

jmanela

16-03-2010, 16:15

Check out this out, team 51 is in 51st place lol :p

Joe Ross

16-03-2010, 16:34

I believe that the cutoff for State last year was around 40 points. I expect that this year will be about the same.

I would expect that the cutoff would be a little higher this year, because there are more teams with auto-bids to the championship, so less teams can go just on points alone.

KP360

16-03-2010, 23:25

Wow...my team is in 31st place. Only 40 points though. lol

I'm so glad we won Rookie All-Star at Kettering. Whew! lol

Fennig247

17-03-2010, 12:38

i have a feeling the cutoff point will be 56. anyone else have a prediction?

IKE

17-03-2010, 12:45

Jack Jones

17-03-2010, 12:46

I would expect that the cutoff would be a little higher this year, because there are more teams with auto-bids to the championship, so less teams can go just on points alone.

True. But most the byes would have qualified on points anyway. So, the cutoff will be only slightly higher, if any at all.

johnr

17-03-2010, 13:04

Don't let your rank bother you as far as getting a chance to go to states. Last year they went pretty far down the list to fill it up. Some teams just won't have the money,have decided to spend it on atlanta or may choose to honor the holiday.

Clinton Bolinger

17-03-2010, 15:32

48

-Clinton-

nikeairmancurry

17-03-2010, 15:43

Thuperscout

17-03-2010, 17:24

42
Everything is always 42. :D

JackN

17-03-2010, 19:05

The cutoff will be around 48 like Clint said, to make sure you are in good posistion to go, but there will teams that get in that have around 44-42 points after people decline their spots for the event.

ExTexan

17-03-2010, 22:53

Everything is always 42.

this is off the thread topic but since this thread is done anyway because FIM got us some numbers;

Yes, the answer to everything is 42 :D ....but 42 is also a domino game played in TX by everyone I knew, grandparents on down. But just as no one up here in MI has seemed to ever have heard of it, we had never heard of Euchre! (robot in bag for tomorrow at Wayne state and big glass of wine makes me go off topic!):D

Thuperscout

17-03-2010, 22:59

this is off the thread topic but since this thread is done anyway because FIM got us some numbers;

Yes, the answer to everything is 42 :D ....but 42 is also a domino game played in TX by everyone I knew, grandparents on down. But just as no one up here in MI has seemed to ever have heard of it, we had never heard of Euchre! (robot in bag for tomorrow at Wayne state and big glass of wine makes me go off topic!):D

Euchre is reallyyyyy awesome, this makes me want to know how to play 42. Because if 42 is even close to as fun as euchre i may just learn how to play :) And by the way, good luck at Wayne State!

Wayne TenBrink

17-03-2010, 23:16

The initial cutoff will be 42. After clearing the declines, you will see a team at State with 38.

cyberjoek

18-03-2010, 01:06

Through Week 2:
*23 teams have been auto-advanced to States, leaving 41 slots on points
*25 points is the current bubble number
*8 teams have played in neither week
*If you take every team who have played both their ranked weeks and divide their scores by two then re-sort (creating a standardized ranking as though each team had played once) 23 points is the bubble number.

Based on that data I'd bet the magic number is 46 this year but teams might get in as low as 40 due to declines.

Miss being with you guys back there in MI though!

Chris Hibner

18-03-2010, 09:25

this is off the thread topic but since this thread is done anyway because FIM got us some numbers;

Yes, the answer to everything is 42 :D ....but 42 is also a domino game played in TX by everyone I knew, grandparents on down. But just as no one up here in MI has seemed to ever have heard of it, we had never heard of Euchre! (robot in bag for tomorrow at Wayne state and big glass of wine makes me go off topic!):D

Do you know hoe to play Skat? My buddies from the German office of my old company taught me how to play that fine German card game. I was told it is still played in parts of Texas. I now only get to play it against a computer.

ExTexan

18-03-2010, 11:14

Euchre is reallyyyyy awesome, this makes me want to know how to play 42. Because if 42 is even close to as fun as euchre i may just learn how to play And by the way, good luck at Wayne State!

My grandparents told me that the good Southern Baptists didn't allow card playing so they modified Euchre to a domino game. Bid, Trump, tricks, mostly the same. And good luck to the Chicks at Troy.....don't pick 469 and figure out how to defend it for the rest of us!

Do you know hoe to play Skat? My buddies from the German office of my old company taught me how to play that fine German card game. I was told it is still played in parts of Texas. I now only get to play it against a computer.

I played Skat long ago but have forgotten it. Big German influence in central and several other parts of TX. Not so much in the redneck piney woods where I grew up.

johnr

18-03-2010, 14:02

And good luck to the Chicks at Troy.....don't pick 469 and figure out how to defend it for the rest of us!

Actually this is a good idea. They have an auto to states and it might be a good time to go up against an alliance that has a bot like 469 for practice towards Atlanta. If i was in their position i would atleast think about that option. Hey, it might happen anyway.

ALTrammell818

24-03-2010, 22:08

The initial cutoff will be 42. After clearing the declines, you will see a team at State with 38.

I sure hope so...

brunettegmp

25-03-2010, 07:19

I love Michigan FIRST :) being able to go to 3 tournaments is a lot better

johnr

25-03-2010, 09:56

Speaking of three,how many teams got a third district this year?

Basel A

25-03-2010, 13:34

Speaking of three,how many teams got a third district this year?

None, actually. Due to the increase of teams (there's 140 this year [increase of 12], I believe) no teams got to go to 3 districts. There were actually a couple with 41 teams, as opposed to the usual 40. Next year we might have to see an 8th district competition?

Ryan Caldwell

25-03-2010, 13:48

Basel A

25-03-2010, 14:14

There's only one team that hasn't passed inspection at any district, and they are scheduled to be at another competition. Some teams may have arrived late, or similar problems, but as an overall, 134 Michigan FRC teams have competed this season, which is, in fact, more than last year. Of course it's harder to be sustainable this year than last (With the Chrysler Foundation cutting a lot of funding, etc., etc.), but the fact is, each year, more teams are competing.

Every year, the growth in teams is about double the loss of teams (http://team358.org/files/frc_records/Returning-New-Lost_Teams.jpg)

Craig Roys

25-03-2010, 21:55

I have yet to see a District with 40 teams due to teams not showing up.

I think its great we're growing fast, but how many of our rookie teams are sustainable. The ones that don't even show up, i have a sneeking suspision they wont be back next year. (Economy rant)

West MI had 40 teams.

Isn't 42 the answer to Life, the Universe, and Everything?

-So long and thanks for all the fish [somewhat obscure reference]

ExTexan

25-03-2010, 23:13

Isn't 42 the answer to Life, the Universe, and Everything?

-So long and thanks for all the fish [somewhat obscure reference]

No actually 42 is only a domino game played primarily in Texas but people often confuse it with the Universal Answer. :yikes:

But you can't just leave us hanging with "the fish"???? :confused: I did celebrate March 14th. :rolleyes:

GaryVoshol

26-03-2010, 06:37

No actually 42 is only a domino game played primarily in Texas but people often confuse it with the Universal Answer. :yikes:

But you can't just leave us hanging with "the fish"???? :confused: I did celebrate March 14th. :rolleyes:Google it. It's related to 42.

See you in an hour.

ExTexan

28-03-2010, 02:42

Google it. It's related to 42.

See you in an hour.

Well, I refereed the last 2 days beside you, had not seen your post and just googled it.....agreed, it is somewhat obscure! But now I know! :yikes:

IKE

28-03-2010, 09:39

Final rankings are up. Congratulations to everyone for a great season. Make sure if you are in the top 1/2 and want to go to States you register by Monday at Noon!

http://www.firstinmichigan.org/staticpages/index.php?page=2010_Results_Overall

ProgrammerJoe

28-03-2010, 19:08

So, clarification. There are 68 teams going to states? Or is half a generalization?

Basel A

28-03-2010, 19:24

So, clarification. There are 68 teams going to states? Or is half a generalization?

Almost completely sure that was generalized. There's definitely only 64. (Though teams down to 75 could get a chance with how many teams can actually afford to go; We got in from 71 last year)