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While I know there will be much debate about this (especially with the older teams) I was wondering what you guys thought about the best teams who have recently come out of the woodwork?
For example, best team who's rookie years were:
2010:
2009:
2008:
2007: 2056
2006: 1717
2005: 1625
2004:
2003: 1114
I added my thoughts from my brief knowledge of FIRST... feel free to agree/disagree.
Mr. Pockets
28-03-2010, 10:20
My knowledge is limited to Michigan, but I'd definitely nominate 2834 for 2009. Very successful team.
cziggy343
28-03-2010, 10:41
how about 2753 for 2009? was that not the first rookie team in forever to make it to einstein?
In Michigan, we we treated to "Das Boot" in 2008, a real crowd pleaser from 2337, The Enginerds! I still smile when I think of that 'bot... :-)
how about 2753 for 2009? was that not the first rookie team in forever to make it to einstein?
1902 made it to Einstein in 2007.
1902 made it to Einstein in 2007.
However, 1902's rookie year was 2006, making them a very good second year team that made Einstein.
1902 made it to Einstein in 2007.
They'd have made it in 2006, if their drivetrain hadn't gone Oink Oink BOOM! in the divisional finals. They were rookies that year, second year in 2007.
I'd say, going by 2 per year, 2009 has 2753 and 2775, 2006 has 1717 and 1902. 2010, the jury is still out. We'll find that out next year.
2002: 980, 968
Chris is me
28-03-2010, 14:06
My thoughts for "best robot team whose rookie year was 200x"
2010: 3125
2009: 2753
2008: 2337
2007: 2056
2006: 1732
2005: 1625
2004: 1279
2003: 1114
2002: 987
Tossups would be for 2010 (obviously), 2009 (2775 and 2826 are very close behind), 2006 (1902, 1714, 1712), and 2005 (1676). I was tempted to put 971 for 2002...
kevin.li.rit
28-03-2010, 14:18
My thoughts for "best robot team whose rookie year was 200x"
2004: 1279
Tossups would be for 2010 (obviously), 2009 (2775 and 2826 are very close behind), 2006 (1902, 1714, 1712), and 2005 (1676)
I think 1405 was way better than 1279, beating out 1279 for rookie all star and winning Chesapeake in 2004.
Chris is me
28-03-2010, 14:24
I think 1405 was way better than 1279, beating out 1279 for rookie all star and winning Chesapeake in 2004.
I meant in terms of overall performance since their rookie year, rather than their rookie performance. Some changes would be made to the above if it were "best rookie robots" (1902 in 2006, notably).
My thoughts for "best robot team whose rookie year was 200x"
2006: 1732
I'm going to have to go with my original thought of 1717...
In the last 3 years: 4 regional wins and 2 finalists (along with 2 Championship Division Finalists).
I agree with you about 987 though.
Chris is me
28-03-2010, 14:28
I'm going to have to go with my original thought of 1717...
In the last 3 years: 4 regional wins and 2 finalists (along with 2 Championship Division Finalists).
I agree with you about 987 though.
Completely blanked about 1717. Yeah, I'd put them above 1732. I guess 2006 is just a stacked year.
waialua359
28-03-2010, 14:40
Cheesy Poofs, team 254 - 1999 Broadway HS/Bellarmine.
Nuttyman54
29-03-2010, 13:37
I was tempted to put 971 for 2002...
As far as the most successful team goes, 987 definitely gets the edge here. 971 has come out very strong in the past few years, but speaking as a mentor and former team leader of 971, they haven't been as consistently successful as 987 has for as long, and the program was on very shaky ground for a while. 987 also has won multiple RCA awards and WFFA. Make no mistake, 971 is good (and will get better) but 987 has been performing at that level for longer.
rick.oliver
29-03-2010, 13:58
I think that you need to consider 3138 for this season. They were awarded Rookie All-Star and Highest Seeded Rookie at both Pittsburgh and Cleveland; they were finalist at both Regionals; and they were awarded the GP award at Cleveland.
Dan 1038
29-03-2010, 14:19
I think that you need to consider 3138 for this season. They were awarded Rookie All-Star and Highest Seeded Rookie at both Pittsburgh and Cleveland; they were finalist at both Regionals; and they were awarded the GP award at Cleveland.
I second 3138 for 2010, I would not be surprised if they do very well on Atlanta...
Peter Matteson
29-03-2010, 14:29
To make this easier for those of you that want to try this.
http://www.firstwiki.net/index.php/Index_of_teams_by_age
I'll just say anyone willing to make a pick for 95 or 96 it will be very tough to do.
FYI the founding teams list looks wrong, 148 should be there and it's a few short still after that.
Greg Needel
29-03-2010, 15:20
To make this easier for those of you that want to try this.
http://www.firstwiki.net/index.php/Index_of_teams_by_age
I'll just say anyone willing to make a pick for 95 or 96 it will be very tough to do.
FYI the founding teams list looks wrong, 148 should be there and it's a few short still after that.
Team lists 1996 and before have loads of issues due to FIRST losing/messing up their data.
JamesBrown
29-03-2010, 15:26
Not know what other rookie team that were out there this year I believe that my team 3136 would be one of the best rookie teams out there this year but not winning the all star for our regional but winning the highest rookie seed(3rd) and the judgues award,sorry if I sound cocky
It is awesome to see how much you have accomplished this season. I am now working with my third rookie team, and I know how great it is to get awards. In general, if your team deserves recognition in these types of threads, then one (or more) of the veterans out there will point it out. Every year there are phenomenal rookie teams, this thread is recognizing the teams that dominate at regionals, not just the ones that are fairly successful.
I'd submit 3123 for 2010. They won Rookie All Star at DC...did I mention they also won the regional itself? I'll also second (third? oh well, nth) 2753 for 2009, especially if we're looking specifically at rookie year performance. Seriously, 7 awards in 1 year? (Rookie All Star and Industrial Design at NYC; Champion, Highest Rookie Seed and All Star at NJ and Highest Seed and Champion in Archimedes)
1995 (because I like a challenge): I think I'd have to put my vote with 141, though 177 is definitely up there (as are others). 1996: WildStang (111). 71's up there (75, 33, and 16 aren't slouches either).
Robby Unruh
29-03-2010, 20:09
I think that you need to consider 3138 for this season. They were awarded Rookie All-Star and Highest Seeded Rookie at both Pittsburgh and Cleveland; they were finalist at both Regionals; and they were awarded the GP award at Cleveland.
I was just about to mention 3138, before I saw your post. They helped us out with programming at the Buckeye regional, and I heard they did pretty well in Pittsburgh, too.
I second 3138's nomination.
XaulZan11
29-03-2010, 20:13
Completely blanked about 1717. Yeah, I'd put them above 1732. I guess 2006 is just a stacked year.
Thanks for the mention, but we are no where near 1717 (maybe if my team listened to me and got jumpsuits in 2007 like 1717 has, we would be closer...). I think is really easy to look at our two regional wins this year and forget that before this year we have never been to the finals at a regional event. 1717 has produced some of the most brilliant looking and working machines since atleast 2008.
I don't know how you cannot give the Best team started in 1996 to anyone except 71.
Jamie Kalb
29-03-2010, 20:41
I'm going to nominate 3256, the Warrior Borgs, for 2010. These guys won two non-rookie awards at SVR, Quality and Industrial Safety, and were a first-round pick in alliance selection. Plus, they were one of the most professional teams at the event, veterans included. What a pit display! I can't wait to see them rock and roll at Davis!
I'm nominating them because it was clear to me that they're not a one-hit wonder. There is no doubt in my mind that these guys will be back next year stronger than ever, and I know their program will just continue to grow. Expect them to be talked about a lot more in the years to come!
So I'm putting together the full list, based on what people said and what I think as well... let me know what you guys think. Let's hold off on naming a "Best 2010 team" until we see how everyone performs on the big stage.
2010:
2009: 2753 (Team Overdrive - 1x Regional Winner, Championship Highest Rookie Seed & Division winner)
2008: 2337 (EngiNERDs - 1x Regional Winner 2008, Championship Highest Rookie Seed)
2007: 2056 (OP Robotics - 7 of 7 Regional Wins)
2006: 1717 (D'Penguineers - 4x Regional Winner, 2008 & 2009 Championship Division Finalist)
2005: 1625 (Winnovation - 5x Regional Winner, 2006 Championship Division Finalist)
2004:
2003: 1114 (Simbotics - 12x Regional Winner, 2006 Championship Division Finalist, 2008 Championship Winner)
2002: 987 (High Rollers - 4x Regional Winner, 2007 Championship Winner, 2008 Championship Division Finalist)
2001:
2000: 341 (Miss Daisy - 4x Regional Winner, 2003 Championship Division Winner)
1999: 254 (Cheesy Poofs - 18x Regional Winner, 2001 & 2005 Einstein Finalist, 2008 Championship Division Finalist)
1998:
1997: 67 (HOT - 13x Regional Winner, 2003 & 2007 Division Finalist, 2004 & 2008 Division Winner, 2005 & 2009 Championship Winner)
1996: 71 (Team Hammond - 11x Regional Winner, 2001, 2002, 2004 Championship Winner, 2007 Championship Finalist)
1995: 177 (Bobcat Robotics - 4x Regional Winner, 2001, 2006, 2008 & 2009 Championship Division Winner, 2007 Championship Winner)
1994:
1992:
Please feel free to disagree with what I put, but use statistics to back it up. I left years blank where I didn't see any robot in particular stand out or just don't know enough. Let me know if I was incorrect with anything I put above.
-TheFish
thefro526
01-04-2010, 10:12
2002: 987 (High Rollers - 4x Regional Winner, 2007 Championship Winner, 2008 Championship Division Finalist)
I'd look into 968 for 2002 as well.
They've got: 3 Regional Finalists, 2 Einstein Appearances, and 3 Regional Championships.
The earlier years are fuzzy in the records because team numbers didn't come out until 97 for the first time, then in 98 they re-numbered everybody.
But in 1995 team 131 Chaos was the team to beat along w/the Sunny D team who is now defunct.
In 1996 I remember the bobcats 177 being pretty awesome along with the X cats 191 and also the Tigertrons 222 who won the whole thing.
In 1997 Beatty 71 was unstoppable and won the whole thing that year, ChiefDelphi 47 and Rhode Warriers/Airstrike 121/78 were also scary.
So I'm putting together the full list, based on what people said and what I think as well... let me know what you guys think. Let's hold off on naming a "Best 2010 team" until we see how everyone performs on the big stage.
2010:
2009: 2753 (Team Overdrive - 1x Regional Winner, Championship Highest Rookie Seed & Division winner)
2008: 2337 (EngiNERDs - 1x Regional Winner 2008, Championship Highest Rookie Seed)
2007: 2056 (OP Robotics - 7 of 7 Regional Wins)
2006: 1717 (D'Penguineers - 4x Regional Winner, 2008 & 2009 Championship Division Finalist)
2005: 1625 (Winnovation - 5x Regional Winner, 2006 Championship Division Finalist)
2004:
2003: 1114 (Simbotics - 12x Regional Winner, 2006 Championship Division Finalist, 2008 Championship Winner)
2002: 987 (High Rollers - 4x Regional Winner, 2007 Championship Winner, 2008 Championship Division Finalist)
2001:
2000: 341 (Miss Daisy - 4x Regional Winner, 2003 Championship Division Winner)
1999: 254 (Cheesy Poofs - 18x Regional Winner, 2001 & 2005 Einstein Finalist, 2008 Championship Division Finalist)
1998:
1997: 67 (HOT - 13x Regional Winner, 2003 & 2007 Division Finalist, 2004 & 2008 Division Winner, 2005 & 2009 Championship Winner)
1996: 71 (Team Hammond - 11x Regional Winner, 2001, 2002, 2004 Championship Winner, 2007 Championship Finalist)
1995: 177 (Bobcat Robotics - 4x Regional Winner, 2001, 2006, 2008 & 2009 Championship Division Winner, 2007 Championship Winner)
1994:
1992:
Please feel free to disagree with what I put, but use statistics to back it up. I left years blank where I didn't see any robot in particular stand out or just don't know enough. Let me know if I was incorrect with anything I put above.
-TheFish
I'm going to put in team 100, Wildhats for their rookie year. They are still the ONLY rookies to win the whole thing after 1992 (when everyone was a rookie). They've since won multiple regionals and been finalists at others. Still no Championship round return, though. I believe they were 1994.
Nominating 148 and 191 for the 1992 class, as well. 191 has 2 Chairman's Awards; 148, well, 'nuff said. (Remember, any legacy team had their first year in '92.)
EricLeifermann
01-04-2010, 13:40
So I'm putting together the full list, based on what people said and what I think as well... let me know what you guys think. Let's hold off on naming a "Best 2010 team" until we see how everyone performs on the big stage.
2010:
2009: 2753 (Team Overdrive - 1x Regional Winner, Championship Highest Rookie Seed & Division winner)
2008: 2337 (EngiNERDs - 1x Regional Winner 2008, Championship Highest Rookie Seed)
2007: 2056 (OP Robotics - 7 of 7 Regional Wins)
2006: 1717 (D'Penguineers - 4x Regional Winner, 2008 & 2009 Championship Division Finalist)
2005: 1625 (Winnovation - 5x Regional Winner, 2006 Championship Division Finalist)
2004:
2003: 1114 (Simbotics - 12x Regional Winner, 2006 Championship Division Finalist, 2008 Championship Winner)
2002: 987 (High Rollers - 4x Regional Winner, 2007 Championship Winner, 2008 Championship Division Finalist)
2001:
2000: 341 (Miss Daisy - 4x Regional Winner, 2003 Championship Division Winner)
1999: 254 (Cheesy Poofs - 18x Regional Winner, 2001 & 2005 Einstein Finalist, 2008 Championship Division Finalist)
1998:
1997: 67 (HOT - 13x Regional Winner, 2003 & 2007 Division Finalist, 2004 & 2008 Division Winner, 2005 & 2009 Championship Winner)
1996: 71 (Team Hammond - 11x Regional Winner, 2001, 2002, 2004 Championship Winner, 2007 Championship Finalist)
1995: 177 (Bobcat Robotics - 4x Regional Winner, 2001, 2006, 2008 & 2009 Championship Division Winner, 2007 Championship Winner)
1994:
1992:
Please feel free to disagree with what I put, but use statistics to back it up. I left years blank where I didn't see any robot in particular stand out or just don't know enough. Let me know if I was incorrect with anything I put above.
-TheFish
71 has won the championship 4 times. I think you are missing 2000(??). Also i think miss daisy was on Einstein recently as well not just 2003.
So I'm putting together the full list, based on what people said and what I think as well... let me know what you guys think. Let's hold off on naming a "Best 2010 team" until we see how everyone performs on the big stage.
2010:
2009: 2753 (Team Overdrive - 1x Regional Winner, Championship Highest Rookie Seed & Division winner)
2008: 2337 (EngiNERDs - 1x Regional Winner 2008, Championship Highest Rookie Seed)
2007: 2056 (OP Robotics - 7 of 7 Regional Wins)
2006: 1717 (D'Penguineers - 4x Regional Winner, 2008 & 2009 Championship Division Finalist)
2005: 1625 (Winnovation - 5x Regional Winner, 2006 Championship Division Finalist)
2004:
2003: 1114 (Simbotics - 12x Regional Winner, 2006 Championship Division Finalist, 2008 Championship Winner)
2002: 987 (High Rollers - 4x Regional Winner, 2007 Championship Winner, 2008 Championship Division Finalist)
2001:
2000: 341 (Miss Daisy - 4x Regional Winner, 2003 Championship Division Winner)
1999: 254 (Cheesy Poofs - 18x Regional Winner, 2001 & 2005 Einstein Finalist, 2008 Championship Division Finalist)
1998:
1997: 67 (HOT - 13x Regional Winner, 2003 & 2007 Division Finalist, 2004 & 2008 Division Winner, 2005 & 2009 Championship Winner)
1996: 71 (Team Hammond - 11x Regional Winner, 2001, 2002, 2004 Championship Winner, 2007 Championship Finalist)
1995: 177 (Bobcat Robotics - 4x Regional Winner, 2001, 2006, 2008 & 2009 Championship Division Winner, 2007 Championship Winner)
1994:
1992:
Please feel free to disagree with what I put, but use statistics to back it up. I left years blank where I didn't see any robot in particular stand out or just don't know enough. Let me know if I was incorrect with anything I put above.
-TheFish
Any chance you'd be willing to redo the list including IRI results? :rolleyes:
71 has won the championship 4 times. I think you are missing 2000(??). Also i think miss daisy was on Einstein recently as well not just 2003.
Wasn't 2000. Ain't NOBODY won the Championship 3 times in a row. Yet.
It was 1997. There's a couple of folks who have their WAI with the sign in Hammond that has the years they've won...
The Lucas
01-04-2010, 13:55
Just to fill in some holes and see if someone can find something better
2004: I'm going with the 1280 Ragin' C- Biscuits (2x Regional Winner, 4x Regional Finalist over 1279 (also double regional winner) (couldnt find anyone with consistent regional success and Championship success)
2001: 494 Martians (3x Regional Winner, 2004 Championship Winner, 2003 Championship Finalist)
1998: 68 Truck Town Thunder (3x Regional Winner, 2003 Championship Finalist). Their recent Championship Finalist put them ahead of 69 HYPER who is more successful at regionals, but rarely attends Championship.
Also 341 is a 5x Regional Winner
So I'm putting together the full list, based on what people said and what I think as well... let me know what you guys think. Let's hold off on naming a "Best 2010 team" until we see how everyone performs on the big stage.
2010:
2009: 2753 (Team Overdrive - 1x Regional Winner, Championship Highest Rookie Seed & Division winner)
2008: 2337 (EngiNERDs - 1x Regional Winner 2008, Championship Highest Rookie Seed)
2007: 2056 (OP Robotics - 7 of 7 Regional Wins)
2006: 1717 (D'Penguineers - 4x Regional Winner, 2008 & 2009 Championship Division Finalist)
2005: 1625 (Winnovation - 5x Regional Winner, 2006 Championship Division Finalist)
2004:
2003: 1114 (Simbotics - 12x Regional Winner, 2006 Championship Division Finalist, 2008 Championship Winner)
2002: 987 (High Rollers - 4x Regional Winner, 2007 Championship Winner, 2008 Championship Division Finalist)
2001:
2000: 341 (Miss Daisy - 4x Regional Winner, 2003 Championship Division Winner)
1999: 254 (Cheesy Poofs - 18x Regional Winner, 2001 & 2005 Einstein Finalist, 2008 Championship Division Finalist)
1998:
1997: 67 (HOT - 13x Regional Winner, 2003 & 2007 Division Finalist, 2004 & 2008 Division Winner, 2005 & 2009 Championship Winner)
1996: 71 (Team Hammond - 11x Regional Winner, 2001, 2002, 2004 Championship Winner, 2007 Championship Finalist)
1995: 177 (Bobcat Robotics - 4x Regional Winner, 2001, 2006, 2008 & 2009 Championship Division Winner, 2007 Championship Winner)
1994:
1992:
Please feel free to disagree with what I put, but use statistics to back it up. I left years blank where I didn't see any robot in particular stand out or just don't know enough. Let me know if I was incorrect with anything I put above.
-TheFish
Ty Tremblay
01-04-2010, 14:15
What about 1992? I'd like to propose 190, 45, or 195.
thefro526
01-04-2010, 14:19
Also 341 is a 5x Regional Winner
Miss Daisy also won a Division a couple of years back... 2003?
Joe Ross
01-04-2010, 14:19
I'd put 365 ahead of 341, although both are great. Same number of regional championships, but 365 also has a national championship and a national chairmans. 365 has won an award at every single event they attended except for the 2003 championship.
JamesBrown
01-04-2010, 14:41
1998: 68 Truck Town Thunder (3x Regional Winner, 2003 Championship Finalist). Their recent Championship Finalist put them ahead of 69 HYPER who is more successful at regionals, but rarely attends Championship.
It is tough to put them ahead of Hyper 69. Hyper has 7 regional wins, and 3 regional Finalist awards. Their 2004 and 2005 robots would have been competitive at nationals had they decided to go. I think that winning regionals on both coasts in the same year is as impressive as a championship finalist.
Nawaid Ladak
01-04-2010, 14:48
I'd like to nominate 1251 (The Tech Tigers) for 2004, 4x regional champions and 4x regional finalists.
Updated list:
2010:
2009: 2753 (Team Overdrive - 1x Regional Winner, Championship Highest Rookie Seed & Division winner)
2008: 2337 (EngiNERDs - 1x Regional Winner 2008, Championship Highest Rookie Seed)
2007: 2056 (OP Robotics - 7 of 7 Regional Wins)
2006: 1717 (D'Penguineers - 4x Regional Winner, 2008 & 2009 Championship Division Finalist)
2005: 1625 (Winnovation - 5x Regional Winner, 2006 Championship Division Finalist)
2004: 1251 (TechTigers - 4x Regional Winner, 4x Regional Finalist)
2003: 1114 (Simbotics - 12x Regional Winner, 2006 Championship Division Finalist, 2008 Championship Winner)
2002: 987 (High Rollers - 4x Regional Winner, 2007 Championship Winner, 2008 Championship Division Finalist)
2001: 494 (The Martians - 4x Regional Winner, 2003 Championship Division Winner, 2004 Championship Winner, 2005 Division Finalist)
2000: 365 (Miracle Workerz - 5x Regional Winner, 2001 Championship Winner, 2004 & 2008 Championship Division Finalist)
1999: 254 (Cheesy Poofs - 18x Regional Winner, 2001 & 2005 Einstein Finalist, 2008 Championship Division Finalist)
1998:
1997: 67 (HOT - 13x Regional Winner, 2003 & 2007 Division Finalist, 2004 & 2008 Division Winner, 2005 & 2009 Championship Winner)
1996: 71 (Team Hammond - 11x Regional Winner, 1997, 2001, 2002, 2004 Championship Winner, 2007 Championship Finalist)
1995: 177 (Bobcat Robotics - 4x Regional Winner, 2001, 2006, 2008 & 2009 Championship Division Winner, 2007 Championship Winner)
1994:
1992:
Issues: 1992: I'm trying to decide between 148 and 190.
1994: Still haven't gotten any suggestions.
1998: Between 68 & 69
2004: Very few suggestions.
I would love to include Team 100, but they were a rookie in 1995 and I'm going to have to say that 177 takes the cake on that year.
Also please note that I'm doing these rankings off robot-performance only, not their programs and awards (although as you see, the best programs and Chairman Winners also tend to build the best robots... funny how it works out that way).
Ty Tremblay
01-04-2010, 15:18
Disclaimer: Trying to be unbiased here.
Based purely on competition wins, 148 takes the 1992 spot.
http://firstwiki.net/index.php/148
But, include design awards and I'd have to give it to 190.
http://firstwiki.net/index.php/190
Any chance you'd be willing to redo the list including IRI results? :rolleyes:
1625 is already on there... if someone wants to make a case for a team to get on the list based on their IRI performances then I'm all ears.
The Lucas
01-04-2010, 15:29
I'd like to nominate 1251 (The Tech Tigers) for 2004, 4x regional champions and 4x regional finalists.
Weren't they a 3rd partner for 3 of those regional wins? (It is hard to tell). Not that 3rd bot don't count be it certainly is not the same as AC or 2nd bot (particularly at the regional level). 2004 is a tough year, no one I can see has repeated regional success and a Championship success (which is my personal criteria).
Let's give #1 seed 1280 a chance to pick an alliance and win at SAC.
waialua359
01-04-2010, 15:33
My vote is for 368 in 2000.
Look up their accomplishments and you will see how impressive this team is.
USFIRST.org no longer shows 2000 awards, but they won several that season also.
Funding has been somewhat an issue and team decisions in not always going to Atlanta. But they have won their fair amount of awards. Specifically winning the engineering awards consistently at regionals they attend.
They are my personal inspiration and my best friends in FRC.
My vote is for 368 in 2000.
Look up their accomplishments and you will see how impressive this team is.
USFIRST.org no longer shows 2000 awards, but they won several that season also.
Funding has been somewhat an issue and team decisions in not always going to Atlanta. But they have won their fair amount of awards. Specifically winning the engineering awards consistently at regionals they attend.
They are my personal inspiration and my best friends in FRC.
Kika Mana definitely has an amazing team (and always really nice) but if we're comparing awards, then I'm still going to have to stick with 365 on this one (they have a Championship Win and a Championship Chairman's...)
Weren't they a 3rd partner for 3 of those regional wins? (It is hard to tell). Not that 3rd bot don't count be it certainly is not the same as AC or 2nd bot (particularly at the regional level). 2004 is a tough year, no one I can see has repeated regional success and a Championship success (which is my personal criteria).
Let's give #1 seed 1280 a chance to pick an alliance and win at SAC.
Yeah I don't really know what to do with 2004... hopefully someone (1280 perhaps) will step up big time and we'll see a 2004 team get a higher seed in Atlanta.
1625 is already on there... if someone wants to make a case for a team to get on the list based on their IRI performances then I'm all ears.
How about Las Guerillas 469 for the 2000? Well before their innovation this year they've been a huge force to be reckoned with. There's a list here http://www.firstwiki.net/index.php/469* and they won IRI last year too, making that 4 wins. On top of multiple Championships division finalist finishes.
*not entirely sure how regional wins were counted in early years.
Jon Jack
01-04-2010, 16:24
Not to take anything from 2753, they had an awesome robot their rookie year, but my vote for best Rookie in 2009 goes to 2775. Here's why:
The worst they've done in their two regionals is finalist (2009 St. Louis Regional Finalists, 2010 St. Louis Regional Champions)
They were a 2nd round pick by 1717 on Galileo in 2009
They made it all the way to the finals on Galileo, losing to the eventual World Champs (111,67, 971)
They were the only rookie at IRI in 2009 to be an alliance captain.
It's close, but I think that 2775's performance in year 2 gives them the edge...
OK, I'm not one to boast my team, but I feel compelled to throw our team in as best for 2000 over 341 or 365. Team #343 Metal-In-Motion. We were the National Rookie All-Star in 2000, obviously nobody else can claim that title. We have won seven regionals, a curie division, were a national finalist in 2003 with 25 and 494 as the #1 seed. We have also won two regional Chairman's awards and the national engineering inspiration award. Beyond that you will find that we have won over thirty other awards over the last ten+ years. I would say that resume defines a pretty solid body of work. It's not an award, but we have never finished with a record under .500% in any event we have attended. That is a streak that I personally am proud of and is a testament to our performance. It really feels bad for me to boast like this, but I think we have earned it. :)
Thanks,
Mike Carron
Not to take anything from 2753, they had an awesome robot their rookie year, but my vote for best Rookie in 2009 goes to 2775. Here's why:
The worst they've done in their two regionals is finalist (2009 St. Louis Regional Finalists, 2010 St. Louis Regional Champions)
They were a 2nd round pick by 1717 on Galileo in 2009
They made it all the way to the finals on Galileo, losing to the eventual World Champs (111,67, 971)
They were the only rookie at IRI in 2009 to be an alliance captain.
It's close, but I think that 2775's performance in year 2 gives them the edge...
I'm convinced :)
I'll update the list I have going after some more people give their input...
Cartwright
01-04-2010, 16:42
Updated list:
2010:
2009: 2753 (Team Overdrive - 1x Regional Winner, Championship Highest Rookie Seed & Division winner)
2008: 2337 (EngiNERDs - 1x Regional Winner 2008, Championship Highest Rookie Seed)
2007: 2056 (OP Robotics - 7 of 7 Regional Wins)
2006: 1717 (D'Penguineers - 4x Regional Winner, 2008 & 2009 Championship Division Finalist)
2005: 1625 (Winnovation - 5x Regional Winner, 2006 Championship Division Finalist)
2004: 1251 (TechTigers - 4x Regional Winner, 4x Regional Finalist)
2003: 1114 (Simbotics - 12x Regional Winner, 2006 Championship Division Finalist, 2008 Championship Winner)
2002: 987 (High Rollers - 4x Regional Winner, 2007 Championship Winner, 2008 Championship Division Finalist)
2001: 494 (The Martians - 4x Regional Winner, 2003 Championship Division Winner, 2004 Championship Winner, 2005 Division Finalist)
2000: 365 (Miracle Workerz - 5x Regional Winner, 2001 Championship Winner, 2004 & 2008 Championship Division Finalist)
1999: 254 (Cheesy Poofs - 18x Regional Winner, 2001 & 2005 Einstein Finalist, 2008 Championship Division Finalist)
1998:
1997: 67 (HOT - 13x Regional Winner, 2003 & 2007 Division Finalist, 2004 & 2008 Division Winner, 2005 & 2009 Championship Winner)
1996: 71 (Team Hammond - 11x Regional Winner, 1997, 2001, 2002, 2004 Championship Winner, 2007 Championship Finalist)
1995: 177 (Bobcat Robotics - 4x Regional Winner, 2001, 2006, 2008 & 2009 Championship Division Winner, 2007 Championship Winner)
1994:
1992:
Issues: 1992: I'm trying to decide between 148 and 190.
1994: Still haven't gotten any suggestions.
1998: Between 68 & 69
2004: Very few suggestions.
I would love to include Team 100, but they were a rookie in 1995 and I'm going to have to say that 177 takes the cake on that year.
Also please note that I'm doing these rankings off robot-performance only, not their programs and awards (although as you see, the best programs and Chairman Winners also tend to build the best robots... funny how it works out that way).
Another team one might add to the discussion regarding '92 is Team 45. Now they haven't one the championship recently, but they have highly consistent robots and they've won many regionals and divisions in the last ten years.
Okay so next question... 343 vs. 469
343:
Regional Wins: 7
National Rookie All-Star in 2000
Championship Division Finalist: 2002, 2009
Championship Finalist: 2003
Never finished with a record under .500% in any event.
469:
IRI Champions: 2001, 2002, 2003, 2009
Regional Wins: 5
Championship Division Finalist: 2001, 2002,
Championship Winner: 2003
Championship Finalist: 2004
The Lucas
01-04-2010, 16:52
Okay so next question... 343 vs. 469
343:
Regional Wins: 7
National Rookie All-Star in 2000
Championship Division Finalist: 2002, 2009
Championship Finalist: 2003
Never finished with a record under .500% in any event.
469:
IRI Champions: 2001, 2002, 2003, 2009
Regional Wins: 5
Championship Division Finalist: 2001, 2002,
Championship Winner: 2003
Championship Finalist: 2004
Counting the 2 districts this year, 469 has 7 Regional Wins.
I've been trying to stay out of my year (2000) since the beginning of the thread, but 469 is the obvious choice.
I was curious if anyone on their team would speak up but they tend to keep a low profile on CD (http://www.chiefdelphi.com/forums/showpost.php?p=486784&postcount=85). This year it is unavoidable, but think it: have you seen anyone on their team talking about their bot? Sure everyone else is but not them.
XaulZan11
01-04-2010, 17:22
I'm not sure how much (if any) weight IRI should have. Some teams do take it very seriously, but others use it more as an event to train new drivers and just have fun. At regionals and at the Championship, everyone is playing to win.
What about 1992? I'd like to propose 190, 45, or 195.
Don't forget Wildstang who started in '92. Took four years off and started over.
They have a resume that is hard to beat.
Akash Rastogi
01-04-2010, 20:19
Okay so next question... 343 vs. 469
343:
Regional Wins: 7
National Rookie All-Star in 2000
Championship Division Finalist: 2002, 2009
Championship Finalist: 2003
Never finished with a record under .500% in any event.
469:
IRI Champions: 2001, 2002, 2003, 2009
Regional Wins: 5
Championship Division Finalist: 2001, 2002,
Championship Winner: 2003
Championship Finalist: 2004
469 no doubt. Their history is astounding.
I'd agree that 469, 341, 343, and 365 are all excellent teams with consistently impressive robots. That said, I think the stats back me up in saying that 469 has perennially the best preforming robot. However, I wouldn't find it too hard to say 365 has historically the best preforming team (as far as non-performance/engineering awards like Chairman's, Spirit, etc).
469:
*Championship Winner x1
*Championship Finalist x1
*Division Winner x2
*Division Finalist x2
*Regional/District Winner x7
*Regional Finalist x3
*Regional Engineering Award x12
Regional Sportsmanship Award x2
Regional Woodie Flowers x2
341:
*Championship Engineering Inspiration x1
*Division Winner x1
Championship Entrepreneurship x2
Championship Judge's Award x1
Championship Sportsmanship x1
Regional Chairman's x5
*Regional Winner x5
Regional Engineering Inspiration x3
*Regional Engineering Award x1
Regional Woodie Flowers x2
Regional Judge's Award x2
Regional Entrepreneurship x2
Regional Spirit x3
Regional Sportsmanship x1
Regional Website x4
343
*Championship Finalist x1
*Division Winner x1
*Division Finalist x2
Championship Engineering Inspiration x1
Championship Entrepreneurship x1
*Regional Winner x7
*Regional Chairman's x2
*Regional Finalist x2
*Regional Engineering Award x12
Regional Engineering Inspiration x1
Regional Autodesk x2
Regional Entrepreneurship x3
Regional Judge's Award x1
365:
*Championship Winner x1
Championship Chairman's x1 (plus 1 Honorable Mention #1)
*Championship Engineering Award x1
*Division Champion x1
*Division Finalist x2
Championship Engineering Inspiration x1
Championship Imagery Award x2
*Regional Winner x5
Regional Chairman's x4
*Regional Finalist x3
*Regional Engineering Award x5
Regional GP x3
Regional Woodie Flowers x3
Regional Entrepreneurship x2
Regional Judge's Award x1
Regional Sportsmanship x2
Regional Spirit x2
Regional Imagery Award x5
Regional Website x4
Performance/Engineering Awards Only
Championship Wins:
469 x1
365 x1
Championship Finals:
469 x1
341 x0
343 x1
365 x0
Championship Engineering:
469 x0
341 x0
343 x0
365 x1
Division Wins:
469 x2
341 x1
343 x1
365 x1
Division Finals:
469 x2
341 x0
343 x2
365 x2
Regional Wins:
469 x7
341 x5
343 x7
365 x5
Regional Finals:
469 x3
341 x0
343 x2
365 x4
Regional Engineering:
469 x12
341 x1
343 x12
365 x5
Championship Chairman's:
469 x0
341 x0
343 x0
365 x1
Regional Chairman's:
469 x0
341 x5
343 x2
365 x4
Accurate to the best of my ability, sans 2000 for all teams.
Why yes, building this list did make me feel like a complete amateur, why do you ask? :P
XaulZan11
01-04-2010, 20:41
I thought we were only talking about robot preformance.
I know this is probably unattainable, but I think 'average alliance selection' would be a good measure. Is the team consistently being on the top 3 teams picked or are they winning events as the 3rd robot?
Huskie65
02-04-2010, 06:58
I think this is close but two titles is not easy...
1999: 254 (Cheesy Poofs - 18x Regional Winner, 2001 & 2005 Einstein Finalist, 2008 Championship Division Finalist)
1999: 217 (Thunder Chickens - ? regional Winner (3 already this year and 3 last year) 5x Championship Division wins Championship Winner 2006 & 2008
1998 Team 47 - Won 3 Regionals of Ladder Logic (the last year of non-alliance competitions)
OK, I started thinking about this thread last night and realized that trying to pick the "best" of anything for any year is down right impossible. It's like trying to say, who was the best scientist; Einstein, Galileo, Curie, etc. Maybe we should change this thread just a bit and call it the top five or top ten robots based on their rookie year. Maybe that would be easier.
I know that when I look at teams #341, #365, and #469 for 2000, I admire all of them and aspire to be just like them. I'm hoping that out there somebody thinks of #343 in that regard as well. I would hate to see this thread start to create hard feelings amongst teams. Personally I would love to have any of the teams mentioned above in my corner of the ring any day!! :)
How about the top five for 2000 being 469, 365, 341, 343, and xxxx. What about all the other years? This thread would be a great thread to show the entire FIRST organization it's role models by year if that makes any sense.
At any rate happy botting to all and best of luck for the rest of the year.
Cheers,
Mike Carron
Without a doubt, HOT (http://www.chiefdelphi.com/media/photos/18713) (#67) was the best in 2004.
Ty Tremblay
02-04-2010, 12:47
Without a doubt, HOT (http://www.chiefdelphi.com/media/photos/18713) (#67) was the best in 2004.
They may have been the best in 2004, but they were started in 1997. This thread is about the teams with the most competition success based on their year of inception.
Akash Rastogi
02-04-2010, 12:52
My thoughts for "best robot team whose rookie year was 200x"
2010: 3125
2009: 2753
2008: 2337
2007: 2056
2006: 1732
2005: 1625
2004: 1279
2003: 1114
2002: 987
Tossups would be for 2010 (obviously), 2009 (2775 and 2826 are very close behind), 2006 (1902, 1714, 1712), and 2005 (1676). I was tempted to put 971 for 2002...
For 2010 I vote 3256
The Lucas
02-04-2010, 12:57
1998 Team 47 - Won 3 Regionals of Ladder Logic (the last year of non-alliance competitions)
Without a doubt, HOT (http://www.chiefdelphi.com/media/photos/18713) (#67) was the best in 2004.
The dominance of those 2 bots in those years is legendary and indisputable. However, the topic of this thread is to determine the best teams (robot performance over career) by their age (one per year based on a team's listed rookie year).
HOT is already the selection for their rookie year of '97 with no disputes I've seen. Team 47 is stuck behind 71 (hard to argue 4 World Championships) in the crowded class of '96 which also includes 16, 33, 56, 111, & 121.
I'm going to suggest 1771 for 2006.
They have consistently been in the top three picks at their regionals (except for Palmetto 2009, where they were the 3rd alliance captain and won).
In 2008, they won the Championship Xerox Creativity Award. Do you remember their extremely innovative vacuum powered (http://www.chiefdelphi.com/media/photos/30452/)suction device for handling and hurdling the 40inch trackballs?
In 2009, they won Palmetto 2009 as the third seed alliance captain. They were also the first pick overall at Curie Division.
In 2010, they were the first pick overall and won Peachtree Regional.
rees2001
03-04-2010, 22:35
This is fun. Can we throw in an Honorable Mention for each year? This is FIRST and it never hurts to spread the love around. I only go back to 2000 so I will speak for the years I have been around for. Should we look at plastic, medals, or per event totals? Robots, ranking, overall or the combo package? Many teams do well per year but attend a bunch of events. Some teams only go to 1 or 2 events per year. Some teams go to multiple events every year and still blow the competition away. Some very impressive years in this group, 2000, 2003, 2005. I'm not trying knock some rookie years but ther are a few very impressive rookie years.
As for 2009 I like 2775 but I am biased. (who isn't?)
In 2005 I would like to add 1511, (Winnovation is really, really impressive. The Thunder gets my HM)
In 2003 I would add 1126. (obviously not 1114, but who is? that is like trying to compete with 71)
In 2001 I would add 503. (Again impressive but it is hard to beat a 494?)
I would like to throw some monkeys into the year 2000 wrench.
There are some Amazing teams started in 2000 year grouping. I know 341 & 343 are amazing. 359 (might want to look at their stats this year) & 368 are right there too. 469 has performed like no other (trust me, I watch the videos for the 2004 Einstein semi's and wonder what if) BUT, 365. Go MOE. Go to any event, they know MOE. Not that they don't know the rest of the group. But MOE is like the Yankees of FIRST without the haters.
This has been fun, thanks. :)
How can anyone have this conversation and not include 45?
Akash Rastogi
04-04-2010, 09:05
2002: 910 - the Foley Freeze. Such a beastly team.
Andrew Schreiber
04-04-2010, 11:50
2008: 2619 For 3 years now 2619 and 2337 have duked it out. This year they met at KU and AA districts. 2619 knocked out 2337 in the semis and then 2337 knocked out 2619 in the finals. Last year 2619 took a district where 2337 had a very off year. 2008, Enginerds were dominant with Das Boot.
I have to give the nod to 2619 because they have been more consistent. They may not have had as brilliant a rookie year as 2337 but since then they have been consistently improving.
2010: 51... wait, is that cheating? :rolleyes:
1999: Poofs. Hands down, the Cheesy Poofs. While 217 may have 2 World Champions and a huge number of regional wins 254 is a Hall of Fame team.
Huskie65
04-04-2010, 13:02
1999: Poofs. Hands down, the Cheesy Poofs. While 217 may have 2 World Champions and a huge number of regional wins 254 is a Hall of Fame team.
As a team yes but we are talking strictly robot here. 4/5 years in the finals on Einstein...
2010: 51... wait, is that cheating? :rolleyes:
lmao
2010: 51... wait, is that cheating? :rolleyes:
When a "rookie" comes in with a couple of Championship wins, a Championship CA, and who knows how many regional wins...
Yeah, that might be cheating.:p
When a "rookie" comes in with a couple of Championship wins, a Championship CA, and who knows how many regional wins...
Yeah, that might be cheating.:p
and a WFA winner.
waialua359
04-04-2010, 16:14
I think this is close but two titles is not easy...
1999: 254 (Cheesy Poofs - 18x Regional Winner, 2001 & 2005 Einstein Finalist, 2008 Championship Division Finalist)
1999: 217 (Thunder Chickens - ? regional Winner (3 already this year and 3 last year) 5x Championship Division wins Championship Winner 2006 & 2008
Depends how you look at it.
In the last 5 years, 217.
Since inception, I'd go with 254.
In looking at just regional wins, its difficult because some teams do more events than others. Being from Michigan and one of the best teams, the opportunities are much greater in the last couple of years.
What's flawed about this thread is its based on individual teams being the best as opposed to how you really get there. Its takes a 3 team alliance to win (in most cases) and often times, many of the top tier teams, pick another one to greatly increase their chances to win. And what about the 3rd alliance partner? Often times carried IMO.
Best example for us this year was in Hawaii 2010. We knew it was a big advantage to take 368 with the 1st pick. What if we didnt? What if it was us vs. them? Wouldnt the winner have proven to have been better than the other? Instead, both teams gets the W.
My .02.
It hasn't changed too much but here is the next list update: I will include a 2010 team after the Championships.
2010:
2009: 2775 (Jackson Area Robotics - 1x Regional Winner, 1x Regional Finalist, 2009 Championship Division Finalist, 2009 IRI Alliance Captain)
2008: 2337 (EngiNERDs - 1x Regional Winner 2008, Championship Highest Rookie Seed)
2007: 2056 (OP Robotics - 8 of 8 Regional Wins)
2006: 1717 (D'Penguineers - 4x Regional Winner, 2008 & 2009 Championship Division Finalist)
2005: 1625 (Winnovation - 5x Regional Winner, 2006 Championship Division Finalist)
2004: 1251 (TechTigers - 4x Regional Winner, 4x Regional Finalist)
2003: 1114 (Simbotics - 12x Regional Winner, 2006 Championship Division Finalist, 2008 Championship Winner)
2002: 987 (High Rollers - 4x Regional Winner, 2007 Championship Winner, 2008 Championship Division Finalist)
2001: 494 (The Martians - 4x Regional Winner, 2003 Championship Division Winner, 2004 Championship Winner, 2005 Division Finalist)
2000: 469 (Las Guerrillas - 7x Regional Winner, 2001 & 2002 Division Finalist, 2003 Championship Winner, 2004 Championship Finalist, 5x IRI Champion)
1999: 254 (Cheesy Poofs - 18x Regional Winner, 2001 & 2005 Championship Finalist, 2008 Championship Division Finalist)
1998: 69 (Hyper - 7x Regional Winner, 3x Regional Finalist)
1997: 67 (HOT - 13x Regional Winner, 2003 & 2007 Division Finalist, 2004 & 2008 Division Winner, 2005 & 2009 Championship Winner)
1996: 71 (Team Hammond - 11x Regional Winner, 1997, 2001, 2002, 2004 Championship Winner, 2007 Championship Finalist)
1995: 177 (Bobcat Robotics - 4x Regional Winner, 2001, 2006, 2008 & 2009 Championship Division Winner, 2007 Championship Winner)
1994:
1992: 148 (RoboWranglers - 6x Regional Winner, 2008 Championship Winner)
Notes:
2008: I'm still sticking with 2337 over 2619.
2000: Stacked year with plenty of good teams and programs. Moe might win it on reputation and recognition, but 469 is on top with statistics and robots (especially given their success this year)
1996: Note that 1996 was a stacked year as well and many teams who aren't on this list still deserve much recognition.
1999: 254 is still above 217 because of their long history of success (although if 217 continues their Champs performances this year that could very well change.
1998: I put 69 above 68 because their programs are very similar but 69 has had a better year this year... on top of that, they choose not to go to the Champs some years, which is why they haven't had International success.
1994: Still nothing
1992: Still close between: 148, 45, 190... but 148 has had more recent success so they go in the #1 spot.
Also, check out my next post for a new discussion which I'm sure everyone will be excited about :)
-TheFish
About 2337, we also won a district this year (over 2619 in the finals) and at MSC we selected them as our first pick as 8th Alliance Captain. Furthermore, we got Michigan's first suspension (not that it counts for anything really, but..)
Now for a discussion of the best PROGRAM by age... here we go:
Things to take into account: Rookie Inspiration/All-Star, Woodie Flower Awards, Entrepreneurship, Engineering Inspiration, Chairman's Award.
Remember: this discussion is more subjective than the last and people can include general information about the programs which makes their accomplishments more outstanding. This is a good chance for people to learn about what all the teams have done, and are currently doing with their FIRST Robotics programs to make the world a better place.
2010:
2009:
2008:
2007:
2006:
2005:
2004:
2003:
2002:
2001:
2000:
1999:
1998:
1997:
1996:
1995:
1994:
1992:
While I think some will be relatively obvious (and some years clearly very difficult) I'm not going to fill in anything right now and we'll see what the masses have to say.
-TheFish
ps. Remember that the discussion for the team that's been building the best ROBOTS hasn't ended yet either :)
Akash Rastogi
05-04-2010, 21:46
103 would be in the best program category since before they were in FRC. 1991 is when Dave Beck began the evolution of his project into what is now, the legacy of team 103.
Though I know everyone on 148 is honored by the praise we've received, surely the 1992 spot NEEDS to go to team 45.
The Technokats are an institution. Their impact on FIRST and specifically on FIRST robot design is immeasurable.
-John
1992: 191 (2x CCA)
1994:
1995:
1996: 111 (CCA, 2x Champions, etc) by a nose over 71 (no CCA)
1997: 67(CCA, plus above...)
1998:
1999: 254 (CCA, plus above...)
2000:
2001:
2002:
2003: 1114 (RCAs every year, plus above)
2004:
2005:
2006: 1717 (regional EI and similar things of that nature)
2007:
2008:
2009:
2010: We don't know yet.
gorrilla
05-04-2010, 21:52
1251 is a very good team for 2004, they have won at UCF 3x in the past 4 years, and they always have a very competitive robot.
Although IMHO, they did not have as good of a robot this year as they have in past years, It was still undoubtably a great robot, but not what i was expecting.
But obviously their alliance(1251,86,1612) worked out better than ours
(1557, 79, 801) :rolleyes:
XaulZan11
05-04-2010, 21:53
1992: 191 (2x CCA)
2006: 1717 (regional EI and similar things of that nature)
I would like to nominate 1714. Rookie All-Star, Rookie inspiration at the Championship, Engineering inspiration and 2 RCAs, among other awards.
Chris is me
05-04-2010, 22:08
1999: 254 is still above 217 because of their long history of success (although if 217 continues their Champs performances this year that could very well change.
1992: Still close between: 148, 45, 190... but 148 has had more recent success so they go in the #1 spot.
This is really inconsistent logic here.
I would like to nominate 1714. Rookie All-Star, Rookie inspiration at the Championship, Engineering inspiration and 2 RCAs, among other awards.
1714 has more trophies than any team whose rookie year was 2006 (I needed an ego boost one day last year), two RCAs, two EIs, on top of now 2 regional wins. I think they're legit.
1902 is certainly worth mention, behind by only one CA, one EI, and one win, but they're in a stronger region and they have a division win.
actually 1902 has 2 regional wins (CT 2009 and NC 2010)
and i would also like to say that in the program race for best team per year, i Think Pink should be on that list
Chris is me
05-04-2010, 22:26
actually 1902 has 2 regional wins (CT 2009 and NC 2010)
and i would also like to say that in the program race for best team per year, i Think Pink should be on that list
Oh, I didn't catch that they won North Carolina. They're nearly tied then.
Hey, so sorry for the confusion (and for the people who just posted in the last 30 minutes) but to keep things more simple I started a new thread for this new topic of discussion.
Unfortunately because I am a "relatively new user"... the new thread might not show up for a few hours, so I can't link to it yet.
For those of you who are dying to talk about the programs feel free to do so here, otherwise wait until the new discussion pops up.
Thanks,
TheFish
Arefin Bari
05-04-2010, 23:36
actually 1902 has 2 regional wins (CT 2009 and NC 2010)
and i would also like to say that in the program race for best team per year, i Think Pink should be on that list
Team 1902 has also been on Einstein (I would want to say that was in 2007); please correct me if I am wrong.
AdamHeard
05-04-2010, 23:47
Oh, I didn't catch that they won North Carolina. They're nearly tied then.
nearly tied? 1902 is clearly creating more dominate robots on a yearly basis.
XaulZan11
06-04-2010, 00:07
nearly tied? 1902 is clearly creating more dominate robots on a yearly basis.
I think we are comparing 1902 and 1714 on their entire programs so awards are also factored in. I would agree that 1902 has traditionally built better robots, but they cannot match 1714's 2 RCA and other awards.
Laaba 80
06-04-2010, 00:26
nearly tied? 1902 is clearly creating more dominate robots on a yearly basis.
please explain your logic. Yes they had better robots in our first years, but we have had much more success in the past two years.
Im not trying to say we are better than 1902 overall, however to say they create more dominate robots on a yearly basis is not true.
Chris is me
06-04-2010, 00:44
nearly tied? 1902 is clearly creating more dominate robots on a yearly basis.
I was referring to the "program". 1902 obviously has 1714 beat, hands down, on robot performance. I am not without bias for my old team though in either department.
1902's 2009 robot was directly comparable to 1714's 2009 effort in terms of quality IMHO, as are the robots this year. Slight edge to 1902 this year, last year, I dunno.
08 is no contest 1902, as is 07, and probably 06.
XaulZan11
06-04-2010, 00:54
please explain your logic. Yes they had better robots in our first years, but we have had much more success in the past two years.
Robot wise, I'm not sure about that (atleast when going by the numbers). Both teams have 2 regional wins. 1714 has made eliminations at 3/4 regionals and is 0/1 in Atlanta. 1902 is 4/4 at regionals and 1/1 in Atlanta. 1902 was probably gone to tougher regionals, but won Connecticut as 3rd robot compared to 1714's back to back wins as top seed in a 'young' Minnesota Regional.
Overall 1714 is 7/10 in regionals and 1/3 in Atlanta. 1902 is 10/10 in regionals and 3/4 in Atlanta.
But, I think 1714 has just as big an advantage on the non-technical awards.
Laaba 80
06-04-2010, 00:58
Robot wise, I'm not sure about that (atleast when going by the numbers). Both teams have 2 regional wins. 1714 has made eliminations at 3/4 regionals and is 0/1 in Atlanta. 1902 is 4/4 at regionals and 1/1 in Atlanta. 1902 was probably gone to tougher regionals, but won Connecticut as 3rd robot compared to 1714's back to back wins as top seed in a 'young' Minnesota Regional.
If you go by record 1902 is 40-35 and 1714 is 49-18.
XaulZan11
06-04-2010, 01:14
If you go by record 1902 is 40-35 and 1714 is 49-18.
Fair enough. Especially for Atlanta, judging based on getting selected may not be the best because someone could have a better robot but may not fit what the alliance captians is looking for. Plus, we know 1902 will never be overlooked come alliance selection time.
Akash Rastogi
06-04-2010, 07:55
please explain your logic. Yes they had better robots in our first years, but we have had much more success in the past two years.
Im not trying to say we are better than 1902 overall, however to say they create more dominate robots on a yearly basis is not true.
Robot wise, 1902 has many people beat on consistency, including you.
Greg Needel
06-04-2010, 08:47
okay people......Lets be honest this is a fight that can not be won. I have been watching this thread hoping that it wouldn't turn into a "my robot is better than yours." While I am fine with some debate but lets keep it civil.
In FIRST and in Life people are very passionate about the things that they have done, and it can be one of the worst possible feelings for someone to say that you have done worse than you feel. A few years ago I adopted the mentality that your robot is only as good as you feel about the work you put into it. Trophies are made from plastic but the feeling of pride when you accomplish a goal is made from something much deeper that you can forever take with you. Remember while it is nice to have a string of 100 victories or a Hall of blue banners that isn't what is REALLY important.
For 2008 I would like to nominate 2619 over 2337 for reasons Schreiber has stated: 2337 had a better rookie year, but 2009 was not the best year. Meanwhile, 2619 has been steadily improving, to where the teams are about on equal parity this year. After Championships, if one team makes it farther than the other (as both are going), then I'll change my mind. But, right now, today, after the MSC, for sure its 2619.
NullEntity
06-04-2010, 11:51
I nominate 2826 (Wave Robotics) for 2009. At the 10,000 Lakes Regional last year, they blew everyone out of the water (haha, puns) going 15-1-0 and helping their alliance win the finals. They difinitely did amazingly for their first year and hope they keep showing their gracious profesionalism!
Nawaid Ladak
06-04-2010, 23:21
1997: 25, Raider Robotix
3x Division Champions (Archimedes 2003, Curie 2004, Newton 2006.)
1x Championship Event Winners (2000)
2x Championship Event Finalist (2003, 2006)
8x Regional Champion
4x Regional Finalist
1x RCA
anybody thought about putting 46 in for 1998?
Akash Rastogi
06-04-2010, 23:24
1997: 25, Raider Robotix
3x Division Champions (Archimedes 2003, Curie 2004, Newton 2006.)
1x Championship Event Winners (2000)
2x Championship Event Finalist (2003, 2006)
8x Regional Champion
4x Regional Finalist
1x RCA
anybody thought about putting 46 in for 1998?
I definitely Second this. 25 will always be a top dog.
I nominate 2826 (Wave Robotics) for 2009. At the 10,000 Lakes Regional last year, they blew everyone out of the water (haha, puns) going 15-1-0 and helping their alliance win the finals. They difinitely did amazingly for their first year and hope they keep showing their gracious profesionalism!
For 2009 I find giving 2775 and 2753 the title is most suitable, 2753 more than 2775 even. They blew away the competition last year and had no rookie comparison in terms of robot design and performance, considering the teams they played against. They were also very very close to earning a second regional title last year in NYC but due to some alliance faults they did not achieve this goal.
Dan Richardson
07-04-2010, 20:01
Little known factoid about team 1902 ( Since on the subject ), a golden nugget of FIRST history if you will, every time they've competed in the finals in Atlanta, they've been defeated by the eventual champs. ( We like to forget about 2008 )
2006- Archie Finals Vs. a 217 lead alliance.
2007- On Einstein Vs. 987, 177, 190
2008- 11 seed not picked booo....
2009- On Galileo vs. 111 and 67 lead alliance.
( Sorry for forgetting the other teams )
Hey all,
I figured we should bring this back for the 2012 year so see how all the teams are progressing. See below for where I feel things currently stand.
Please please feel free to disagree with any of the information below (this is how the list gets improved). Also please help me fill out teams for recent years, although we'll find some newer teams proving themselves much more in St. Louis this year.
Teams With the Best Robots by Rookie-Year
2012:
2011:
2010:
2009:
2008: 2337 - 4 regional wins, highest rookie seed - Curie
2007: 2056 - 14 regional wins, 1 division win
2006: 1717 - 6 regional wins, 2 division finalists
2005: 1625 - 5 regional wins, 1 div win, 1 div finalist
2004: 1477 - 6 regional wins
2003: 1114 - 19 regional wins, 1 cmp win, 1 div win, 1 div finalist
2002: 987 - 8 regional wins, 1 cmp win, 1 div win, 1 div finalist, highest rookie seed - Einstein
2001: 494 - 4 regional wins, 1 cmp win, 1 div win, 1 div finalist
2000: 469 - 11 regional wins, 1 cmp, 2 divisions, 3 finalists, Rookie All Star - Championship
1999: 254 - 22 regional wins, 1 cmp win, 3 divisions, 1 div finalist
1998: 69 - 7 regional wins
1997: 67 - 19 regional wins, 3 cmp wins, 2 div wins, 2 div finalists
1996: 71 - 13 regional wins, 4 cmp wins, 1 div win, 1 div finalist
1995: 177 - 4 regional wins, 2 cmp wins, 5 div wins, 1 div finalist
1994:
1993:
1992: 148 - 9 regional wins, 1 cmp win, 1 div finalist
I respect consistency and history for all of these teams, but if two are even, I will place more weight on recent performance.
Seedings and Selections can often tell more of the story than actual championship wins, so feel free to hit me with some of that info too.
-TheFish
Chris is me
14-04-2012, 00:29
The 2009 year has got to go to 2826. Three regional wins and two regional finalists, as well as division finalist last year, in their forth year of existence.
TeamSpyder1622
14-04-2012, 02:36
I think 3256 is by far one of the best teams for 2010. They have won 1 regional and have been to finals 3 other times. They are consistently one of the best teams at each regional they go to. I also think they won Engineering Inspiration either their rookie or second year
Just so it's correct, Team HYPER has 7 regional wins :) But we're honored to be considered the best of our rookie year :D
Travis Hoffman
14-04-2012, 06:28
It was previously suggested, but 2010 should be 3138. Can we please put them in the 2010 spot until someone makes a valid argument to the contrary?
Einstein first year, CMP Rookie All Stars, CMP division finalist second year, RCA second year, has done very well at IRI, etc. They have another great robot this year but are one of the many notable teams who've not had the good fortune of qualifying for St. Louis.
www.frclinks.com/t/3138
Jeff Rodriguez
14-04-2012, 07:10
I'll give 1994 to team 155. ;)
Andy Grady
15-04-2012, 21:10
What about 1992? I'd like to propose 190, 45, or 195.
With all due respect to those teams...
I think 111 is 92 as well, and I think with their recent success they are the clear winners of that category.
Also 126 hasn't even got a mention...they have one national championship (1992), two national finalists (1995, 2000), and 6 regional wins.
Also, was 148 technically a winner of 1993 as well? I believe it was Texas Instruments (or e-systems) and Greenville High School who won that year, if that was the case I think that would put 148 at 2 CMP wins?
EricLeifermann
15-04-2012, 21:13
With all due respect to those teams...
I think 111 is 92 as well, and I think with their recent success they are the clear winners of that category.
Also 126 hasn't even got a mention...they have one national championship (1992), two national finalists (1995, 2000), and 6 regional wins.
Also, was 148 technically a winner of 1993 as well? I believe it was Texas Instruments and Greenville High Schol who won that year, if that was the case I think that would put 148 at 2 CMP wins?
Wildstang isn't 92 they are 96
Andy Grady
15-04-2012, 21:16
Wildstang isn't 92 they are 96
Incorrect...see link.
http://www.usfirst.org/uploadedFiles/Robotics_Programs/FRC/Game_and_Season__Info/FRC_History_Pages/1992_Team_List.pdf
Also note that the 1993 winner was E-Systems and Dallas Christian Schools...which I believe E-Systems was based out of Greenville, and thus qualifies as 148...so that would give them 2 CMP wins.
1993 I think would belong to current team 151, Sanders and Nashua HS is what they were back in the day. They have a regional victory and chairmans award...of course you could also factor in the team from Edison Tech which you could consider to be Tigerbolt team 73 which won the CMP event in 1996.
1994 would easily go to now defunct team Proctor and Gamble and Walnut Hills High School team 144...arguably the first true powerhouse in the history of FIRST. They won the CMP event in 1994 and have a CMP Chairmans under their belt.
1986titans
15-04-2012, 21:44
Incorrect...see link.
http://www.usfirst.org/uploadedFiles/Robotics_Programs/FRC/Game_and_Season__Info/FRC_History_Pages/1992_Team_List.pdf
Also note that the 1993 winner was E-Systems and Dallas Christian Schools...which I believe E-Systems was based out of Greenville, and thus qualifies as 148...so that would give them 2 CMP wins.
Based on records found at http://www.team358.org/files/frc_records/index.php:
Wildstang competed in 1992 and didn't compete again until 1996.
E-Systems sponsored a team belonging to Dallas Christian Schools for four years (92-95), and the location of the school switched three times. It also sponsored a team belonging to Greenville Public Schools starting in 1994, known today as 148.
Andy Grady
15-04-2012, 21:50
Based on records found at http://www.team358.org/files/frc_records/index.php:
Wildstang competed in 1992 and didn't compete again until 1996.
E-Systems sponsored a team belonging to Dallas Christian Schools for four years (92-95), and the location of the school switched three times. It also sponsored a team belonging to Greenville Public Schools starting in 1994, known today as 148.
Agreed on that info...however I believe 148 is considered a legacy team and that would only be possible if they counted the Dallas Christian School team as 148. Maybe someone from the Wranglers could clear that up for us.
As for Wilstang...you can't just choose to ignore 1992 because they took a 4 year hiatus, can you? I think they were one of the finalists (Back then I believe there were 4...126, 190, 111, and I am unsure of who the fourth one was.)
If I were making the decision, I would call them a rookie in 1992...that would put the order...111, followed by 148, followed by 126, followed by 190
Chris is me
15-04-2012, 21:56
3256 is quite good, but I think the title for 2010 is best given to 3138. Most notably, they made Einstein in their rookie year, #1 seed at the Championship last year, IRI finalists twice, and one regional win to their credit.
As for Stang... they don't have legacy status and they won Rookie All Star in 1996. Their website starts their history at 1996... So that is where I would be tempted to place them.
cziggy343
15-04-2012, 22:07
2000: 469 - 11 regional wins, 1 cmp, 2 divisions, 3 finalists, Rookie All Star - Championship
I know that 343 won the rookie all-star award at championships in 2000.
Andy Grady
15-04-2012, 22:09
As for Stang... they don't have legacy status and they won Rookie All Star in 1996. Their website starts their history at 1996... So that is where I would be tempted to place them.
Interesting point that they won Rookie All-Star. By that measure, any time a team leaves and comes back, they can be considered a rookie team? I say FIRST gave the award to the wrong team in 1996! Hell...Motorola and Wheeling High School stayed more intact than some teams that are considered to be Legacy teams! At least they have the same sponsor and school. I think only a Wildstang member can settle this dispute. I say FIRST is wrong and I am right! Hows that for ego!
Jessica Boucher
15-04-2012, 22:13
Rookie and legacy status are very gray areas in the early days of FIRST. Technically, 131 would be a legacy team if they had not taken 1993 off. The rookie status rules that you see today weren't started until a few years ago.
The closest ruling I have ever received as to what considered a team consistent in the old days is that team status flowed through the main mentor registering the team. As long as that was consistent, the team was consistent. This is the grey where 148 and 190 are still considered legacy even though they both changed schools.
Sidenote: In my years I've found it's just not worth it to argue with Mr Grady about team history in the early to mid 90s. I pick my battles, and I recommend you do the same :)
artdutra04
15-04-2012, 22:19
E-Systems sponsored a team belonging to Dallas Christian Schools for four years (92-95), and the location of the school switched three times. It also sponsored a team belonging to Greenville Public Schools starting in 1994, known today as 148.Those are the same team, now known as 148, the Robowranglers.
The team was originally sponsored by the E-Systems facility in Greenville, TX and the Dallas Christian School. In 1994, Greenville High School joined the team (and Greenville ISD became the second major sponsor), but later became the sole high school. The Greenville E-Systems facility was acquired by Raytheon in the late 1990s, who sponsored 148 until the Greenville facility was sold to L3 Communications in 2002, who continues to sponsor 148 to the present. Innovation First began sponsoring 148 in 2007.
BrendanB
15-04-2012, 22:22
I'd consider 111 as a 92 team.
2010 should go to 3138 not only did they have a very successful season they excelled in 2011.
A little 'Horn Blowing (http://www.chiefdelphi.com/forums/showpost.php?p=1157004&postcount=27)' for possible consideration in the '98 slot, maybe. :D
Ben Martin
15-04-2012, 23:55
At least for this year, I'm going to plug 3940 for 2012. So far for this year, they were a Regional Champion and Rookie All Star at Queen City and a Regional Finalist at BMR.
AlecMataloni
15-04-2012, 23:58
At least for this year, I'm going to plug 3940 for 2012. So far for this year, they were a Regional Champion and Rookie All Star at Queen City and a Regional Finalist at BMR.
Any rookie team with Andy Baker gets my vote.
But seriously, they (along with 45 and 781) took an 8th seed alliance at one of the toughest regionals in the country and upset everyone. 3940 wins.
Jeff Rodriguez
16-04-2012, 00:34
1994 would easily go to now defunct team Proctor and Gamble and Walnut Hills High School team 144...arguably the first true powerhouse in the history of FIRST. They won the CMP event in 1994 and have a CMP Chairmans under their belt.
I don't disagree that 144 was the best team to start from 1994. However, they don't exist anymore. All the teams on the list so far are currently competing.
Hey, gotta stick up for my team.
nikeairmancurry
16-04-2012, 01:40
2011.. My vote 3539
ErikEdhlund
16-04-2012, 03:12
I want to clarify some details. WildStang's true rookie year was 1996. In 1992 it was only one school from our School District that had founded a separate team that had been retired after that last year. The WildStang that everyone knows is actually the combination of Wheeling High School (WildCats) and Rolling Meadows High School (Mustangs) which was created with a larger funding and supporting system. Also WildStang did win Rookie All-Star at the Championship in 1996 :P
Andy Grady
16-04-2012, 06:38
I don't disagree that 144 was the best team to start from 1994. However, they don't exist anymore. All the teams on the list so far are currently competing.
Hey, gotta stick up for my team.
Two can play at this game! Now that Erik has clarified that Wildstang was a rookie in 1996 (blast it, Erik, for proving me wrong!)...If we don't count 144, under the new rookie year rules, Team CHAOS now becomes a rookie in 1994! 3 Regional Championships, 1 CMP Finalist...BAM! Sorry J-Rod, taking that one right out from under your nose!
In all seriousness...this is a pretty cool thread. It's really neat to see who came from when and look at the incredible classes of teams that we have had over the years.
I feel I need to throw in at least a 2012 honorable mention for 4294 (Startrek). They are a michigan rookie headed to the championship via competitive points acrued throughout the season. They were the first team at Kettering to pass inspection*, they were kettering champs (3rd bot), an alliance captain at their next competition, and an alliance captain at MSC. they have been fast learners and have improved their robot from a 2WD with caster to a 6x6 and even added an effective stinger at MSC (they may be the highest number with a stinger).
*After being the first to pass inspection, and on the first pass through, I told them I was really impressed. Their response was: "We just read the rules and made a simple robot. Don't most teams pass the first time through?"
xSAWxBLADEx
16-04-2012, 09:56
I totally agree with 4292 (Startrek) for 2012. With being a rookie i was very scared with balancing with them but they turned out to be one of the easiest team to balance with. If your not from Michigan, your missing out. Startrek is an amazing team.
Clinton Bolinger
16-04-2012, 09:59
I feel I need to throw in at least a 2012 honorable mention for 4294 (Startrek). They are a michigan rookie headed to the championship via competitive points acrued throughout the season. They were the first team at Kettering to pass inspection*, they were kettering champs (3rd bot), an alliance captain at their next competition, and an alliance captain at MSC. they have been fast learners and have improved their robot from a 2WD with caster to a 6x6 and even added an effective stinger at MSC (they may be the highest number with a stinger).
*After being the first to pass inspection, and on the first pass through, I told them I was really impressed. Their response was: "We just read the rules and made a simple robot. Don't most teams pass the first time through?"
+1 for 4294
A lot of times during the awards they say that a Rookie Team "Gets It!", with Startrek they really do Get It. As Ike has said they are fast learners and have really taken the idea of continuous improvement to heart.
I look forward to seeing them in St Louis, as well as years to come.
-Clinton-
*After being the first to pass inspection, and on the first pass through, I told them I was really impressed. Their response was: "We just read the rules and made a simple robot. Don't most teams pass the first time through?"
I wish more rookie AND veteran teams had this attitude.
Andy Grady
16-04-2012, 17:15
I don't disagree that 144 was the best team to start from 1994. However, they don't exist anymore. All the teams on the list so far are currently competing.
Hey, gotta stick up for my team.
Here is an odd turn of events...
Team 144 does exist according to the championship team list. I did further research and found that they are still out of Cincinnati, Ohio and still carry Proctor and Gamble as one of their sponsors...though they do not have Walnut Hills as one of their schools. They competed this year as R.O.C.K. at Buckeye and Queen City.
Travis Hoffman
16-04-2012, 17:23
Here is an odd turn of events...
Team 144 does exist according to the championship team list. I did further research and found that they are still out of Cincinnati, Ohio and still carry Proctor and Gamble as one of their sponsors...though they do not have Walnut Hills as one of their schools. They competed this year as R.O.C.K. at Buckeye and Queen City.
They also gave up the use of their team bus so we could get back to our hotel after our bus "broke down" at Queen City, so I can personally vouch for 144's existence. ;)
144 took a multi-year hiatus. It ended with Logomotion.
Looks like it's all filled out (at least preliminarily). Happy to adjust as-needed. Also can't wait for people to be watching this list and see how they do at the Champs this year (at least most of them).
Teams With the Best Robots by Rookie-Year
2012: 4294 - 1 regional win, 3 rookie inspiration, 2 highest rookie seed
2011: 3539 - 2 rookie all star, 1 highest rookie seed - cmp
2010: 3138 - 1 regional win, 1 div win, 1 div finalist, 1 division #1 seed, 2 IRI finalist, highest rookie seed - cmp
2009: 2826 - 3 regional wins, 1 div finalist, 2 regional finalists
2008: 2337 - 4 regional wins, highest rookie seed - cmp
2007: 2056 - 14 regional wins, 1 division win
2006: 1717 - 6 regional wins, 2 division finalists
2005: 1625 - 5 regional wins, 1 div win, 1 div finalist
2004: 1477 - 6 regional wins
2003: 1114 - 19 regional wins, 1 cmp win, 1 div win, 1 div finalist
2002: 987 - 8 regional wins, 1 cmp win, 1 div win, 1 div finalist, highest rookie seed - Einstein
2001: 494 - 4 regional wins, 1 cmp win, 1 div win, 1 div finalist
2000: 469 - 11 regional wins, 1 cmp, 2 divisions, 3 finalists
1999: 254 - 22 regional wins, 1 cmp win, 3 divisions, 1 div finalist
1998: 48 - 5 regional wins, 1 cmp win, 2 div finalists, highest rookie seed - cmp
1997: 67 - 19 regional wins, 3 cmp wins, 2 div wins, 2 div finalists
1996: 71 - 13 regional wins, 4 cmp wins, 1 div win, 1 div finalist
1995: 177 - 4 regional wins, 2 cmp wins, 5 div wins, 1 div finalist
1994: 144 - 2 division wins, 1 division #1 seed
1993: 151
1992: 148 - 9 regional wins, 2 cmp wins, 1 div finalist
zack0617
16-04-2012, 23:20
4292 (Startrek). They are a michigan rookie headed to the championship via competitive points acrued throughout the season.
by this do you just mean they qualified or are they for sure registered for worlds?
nikeairmancurry
16-04-2012, 23:39
by this do you just mean they qualified or are they for sure registered for worlds?
Qualified, I know you 217 kids are just waiting to hear what happens to them..
zack0617
16-04-2012, 23:45
Qualified, I know you 217 kids are just waiting to hear what happens to them..
Yeah, after i wrote that i felt a little bad, i didnt mean to take the attention off a team that very much deserves it after a very impressive performance at states, but i hope people understand why we are just a little anxious, trying to find out anything we can at this point
Yeah, after i wrote that i felt a little bad, i didnt mean to take the attention off a team that very much deserves it after a very impressive performance at states, but i hope people understand why we are just a little anxious, trying to find out anything we can at this point
StarTREK's defense at States was a force to be reckoned with! According to here (https://www.facebook.com/team4294), they are going to St. Louis!
Would 51 be considered a 2010 rookie?
3747Mentor
16-04-2012, 23:59
I have to throw our team's hat in for 2011.
3747 now has: 2 regional wins, 1 division finalist, one rookie all-star.
We're good looking too! :]
nikeairmancurry
17-04-2012, 00:03
Would 51 be considered a 2010 rookie?
No because it was a combination of existing teams.. (47 & 65)
StarTREK's defense at States was a force to be reckoned with! According to here (https://www.facebook.com/team4294), they are going to St. Louis!
That is pretty official to me.. They got the money approved tonight..
Would 51 be considered a 2010 rookie?N.O.
51 is a combination of teams 47 and 65. Those teams had their rookie year many, many years ago. 51 is a HoF team (47 won a Chairman's, and was a force to be reckoned with in the 90s), and has a National Championship under their belt (2003 or before--can't remember when 65 won it).
If 51 is considered a 2010 rookie, then 23 is a 2012 rookie, though they are returning after a 12-year hiatus.
Just to note, because this mistake or typo has been made a few times, the team being nominated for top 2012 rookie is 4294 (https://my.usfirst.org/myarea/index.lasso?page=team_details&tpid=73509).
Also, I have to agree that 3539 has begun their FIRST History with two really great years and support their nomination.
Chris Hibner
17-04-2012, 08:51
Would 51 be considered a 2010 rookie?
I chuckled when I read that.
And for Eric, it was 2003 when 65 won the championship.
Jeff Rodriguez
17-04-2012, 09:34
Here is an odd turn of events...
Team 144 does exist according to the championship team list. I did further research and found that they are still out of Cincinnati, Ohio and still carry Proctor and Gamble as one of their sponsors...though they do not have Walnut Hills as one of their schools. They competed this year as R.O.C.K. at Buckeye and Queen City.
I was mistaken. Apologias to team 144.
Joseph Smith
17-04-2012, 15:16
3539 has 1 district win- waterford last year
Coach Tom
09-03-2013, 22:46
Not to take anything from 2753, they had an awesome robot their rookie year, but my vote for best Rookie in 2009 goes to 2775. Here's why:
The worst they've done in their two regionals is finalist (2009 St. Louis Regional Finalists, 2010 St. Louis Regional Champions)
They were a 2nd round pick by 1717 on Galileo in 2009
They made it all the way to the finals on Galileo, losing to the eventual World Champs (111,67, 971)
They were the only rookie at IRI in 2009 to be an alliance captain.
It's close, but I think that 2775's performance in year 2 gives them the edge...
Using the same logic, 2753 was the 2nd overall pick at IRI that year. Wildstang 111 was chosen first by team 980, the #2 alliance (832) picked 2753 as their first pick. Albeit I have a bit of a bias.
xSAWxBLADEx
09-03-2013, 22:59
My vote for 2009 best rookie goes to 2771. (sorry for the michigan bias)
Grim Tuesday
09-03-2013, 23:07
4451 hands down this year so far.
Akash Rastogi
09-03-2013, 23:09
4451 hands down this year so far.
So much this! Been saying it since 11 saw them play in Palmetto. A few of us were talking about them today as well.
Without actually doing some research, it's hard to think of some teams that are clearly better by year.
2013: ????
2012: 4334
2011: ????
2010: ????
2009: 2826
2008: 2337
2007: 2056
2006: 1717
2005: 1625
2004: ????
2003: 1114
2002: 987
2001: ????
2000: 469
1999: 217, 254
1998: ????
1997: 67
1996: 71, 111
And I really don't even know what teams even existed way back when. Is there some site where I can see the rookie years for each team?
Also, I don't believe there's a good way of measuring the best team by year for certain years. For 2007 the best team is clearly 2056. But it's really hard to say what team is the best from 1999. I would take 254 over 217, but the success 217 had, particularly between 2006 and 2011 was ridiculous. They won 2 Championships in 2006 and 2008, and won at least 70 matches in 2009, 2010, and 2011.
4294 has been a bit underwhelming this year, so given another solid robot from 4334, I'd might endorse that pick for 2012 rookie. 4124 is another 2012 rookie that is doing serious work, though. Finalist last year and top pick and winner at BAE this year.
For 2013 I would have to say the current leader and high favorite would have to be 4451. And for 2010 I'd say 3357, they made it to Einstein.
PayneTrain
10-03-2013, 04:53
4451 hands down this year so far.
What's really scary is they get like 6 weeks to drop under the radar and somehow figure out a way to play their game even better before Championships. They didn't use up any black magic to win regionals (2x RAS, ranked 5th/finalists in Orlando and rank 7/semifinalist in Myrtle Beach) so I bet lady luck (and the robot itself) will go far into CMP with 4451. Definitely an early candidate for CMP highest rookie seed.
Hi All,
Time to bring this back, now that we're in the heart of 2014's competition.
This is where things stand so far. Let the debates continue! Note none of the data attached includes 2014 wins.
Teams With the Best Robots by Rookie-Year
2014: ????
2013: 4451
2012: 4294
2011: 3539
2010: 3138
2009: 2826
2008: 2337
2007: 2056
2006: 1717
2005: 1625
2004: 1477
2003: 1114
2002: 987
2001: 494
2000: 469
1999: 254
1998: 48
1997: 67
1996: 71
1995: 177
1994: 144
1993: 151
1992: 111
I haven't watched much outside of Michigan, but Michigan does have one strong contender. 4967 has won all three rookie awards, including Highest Rookie Seed Twice, and they've captained alliances to a District Win and a semifinal.
Max Boord
24-03-2014, 15:54
I vote 4901. They won orlando as 2nd pick with a strong drivetrain and great truss shot.
I vote 4901. They won orlando as 2nd pick with a strong drivetrain and great truss shot.
They're good, but wouldnt call them best of their class.
AdamHeard
24-03-2014, 16:12
4488 is definitely the best 2013 bot.
This is where things stand so far. Let the debates continue! Note none of the data attached includes 2014 wins.
111 is a 1996 rookie, not 1992. Tough call between them and 71.
As was said earlier in the thread, 148 looks like the 1992 team.
I'd argue for 610 or 525 over 494 in 2001.
I'd propose 1538 as a rival to 1625 in 2005.
For 2012, I think 3990, 3928, and 4334 would all be fine choices.
I like 4488 for 2013. [edit: Adam beat me to that one, but I also thought that this one was pretty clear]
Andrew Schreiber
24-03-2014, 16:56
I'd argue for 610 or 525 over 494 in 2001.
I'd propose 1538 as a rival to 1625 in 2005.
I'd agree with 1538 based off HoF.
But 610/525 vs 494? Nah.
I'd throw 5172 into the mix for this year, they had an amazing bot at Northern Lights, and seeded second in what was in my opinion a pretty deep event. They ended up being finalists and winning the rookie all star award. Can't wait to see how they do in St. Louis.
But 610/525 vs 494? Nah.
I forgot: 525 was actually a rookie in 1999 before taking 2000 off and returning in 2001. So they're out, but have you seen their record in the past several years?
And 610 has also been pretty awesome in the past few years. Perhaps they have some more catching up to do because of how successful 494 was in their earlier years.
Andrew Schreiber
24-03-2014, 17:51
I forgot: 525 was actually a rookie in 1999 before taking 2000 off and returning in 2001. So they're out, but have you seen their record in the past several years?
And 610 has also been pretty awesome in the past few years. Perhaps they have some more catching up to do because of how successful 494 was in their earlier years.
That would be my thing. 610 is pretty hot stuff lately but 494 was a big deal a few years before. I'd also assert that looking at 494 without looking also at the success of their twin, 70, is mildly unfair as it is the same team.
AdamHeard
24-03-2014, 18:05
5136 is my favorite rookie this year in terms of performance.
Chris is me
25-03-2014, 14:17
2012 is tough, but 3990 and 4265 are the two that come to mind. 3990 has 3 regional wins and 1 finalist in 4 events, so I think they get the title.
610 has been better than 70/494 every year from 2011 on, I think 610's dominance is here to stay.
4039 would be another contender for 2012. #1 seed this weekend in Waterloo, outseeding 254, 1114, AND 2056.
JohnFogarty
25-03-2014, 17:19
They're good, but wouldnt call them best of their class.
I wouldn't either. and I'm one of the heads of the team. The new intake we've made might put us close by STL. We'll see. We can't seed high without decent partners. I'm trying to fix that issue though.
Definitely 4967 for this year.
I wouldn't either. and I'm one of the heads of the team. The new intake we've made might put us close by STL. We'll see. We can't seed high without decent partners. I'm trying to fix that issue though.
You are insane john!!!haha
Calvin Hartley
27-03-2014, 10:34
I have to agree with putting in 4967 for 2014 consideration. I know, I am probably completely bias as this is one of my teams, but here's some information, from The Blue Alliance:
Gull Lake District 2nd Seed
16-2-0
Rookie All Star
Winner
Highest Rookie Seed
West Michigan District 4th Seed
12-5-0
Highest Rookie Seed
Rookie Inspiration
(beat out in Semifinals by eventual Event Winners)
Overall
28-7-0
Rank 2 in Michigan (as of post-Week 4)
Rank 53 in World according to Joe Ross' spreadsheet. (http://www.chiefdelphi.com/forums/showpost.php?p=1365646&postcount=24) (as of post-Week 4)
ratdude747
27-03-2014, 10:45
111 is a 1996 rookie, not 1992.
Yes and no. Half of what would become 111 was indeed a team in 1992. And IIRC it was Motorola sponsored. It didn't make it to 1993/4/5 though.
Going to nominate Code Orange (3476) for 2011. Deciding between them and 3539 is hard.
Teamcodeorange
03-04-2014, 13:02
Going to nominate Code Orange (3476) for 2011. Deciding between them and 3539 is hard.
Thanks for the mention. Our 2011 robot was, frankly, pretty terrible. The only thing that worked properly was the mini-bot. Perhaps you mean 2012? That year we got a new engineering mentor who helped us to step up our game and win the San Diego regional with 4161 and 3255. ;)
Mschmeh144
09-02-2015, 10:00
The earlier years are fuzzy in the records because team numbers didn't come out until 97 for the first time, then in 98 they re-numbered everybody.
But in 1995 team 131 Chaos was the team to beat along w/the Sunny D team who is now defunct.
In 1996 I remember the bobcats 177 being pretty awesome along with the X cats 191 and also the Tigertrons 222 who won the whole thing.
In 1997 Beatty 71 was unstoppable and won the whole thing that year, ChiefDelphi 47 and Rhode Warriers/Airstrike 121/78 were also scary.
The sunny d team, is now known as team 144 I believe, or at least our current mentor had a role in it. Sunny d is on display at P&G, last I heard. However, poor brute is no longer operational.
I thought I'd necro this thread because it's a fun one. The question is this, which team from each rookie class has been the strongest over their history? The last time CD came to a consensus was mid-2014 for the following. Things have definitely changed since then.
Right off the bat, I'd suggest 2481 for 2008, and 3990 for 2012. Thoughts?
2013: 4451
2012: 4294
2011: 3539
2010: 3138
2009: 2826
2008: 2337
2007: 2056
2006: 1717
2005: 1625
2004: 1477
2003: 1114
2002: 987
2001: 494
2000: 469
1999: 254
1998: 48
1997: 67
1996: 71
1995: 177
1994: 144
1993: 151
1992: 111
Billfred
16-05-2016, 13:50
I thought I'd necro this thread because it's a fun one. The question is this, which team from each rookie class has been the strongest over their history? The last time CD came to a consensus was mid-2014 for the following. Things have definitely changed since then.
Right off the bat, I'd suggest 2481 for 2008, and 3990 for 2012. Thoughts?
While Motorola and Wheeling HS was at the 1992 tournament, WildStang's official rookie year is 1996 (http://www.firstinspires.org/team-event-search/team?id=357009) and they don't claim otherwise. Now, does that knock 71 off their perch for 1996? Four world titles and a Championship WFA vs. three world titles (two in the 3v3 era), a Championship WFA, and a spot in the Hall of Fame, and a Championship Volunteer of the Year? WildStang, I think I love you.
The 1992 battle really comes down to 148 vs. 45 (with a special shoutout to 191 for doing what nobody else can do now). Before the 148 afterburners really came on in 2007 or 2008, this would be an easy decision for 45. But in the years since, the momentum has shifted greatly--15 of 148's 16 regional wins (and all four trips to Einstein) have been in 2008 or later, while 5 of the TechnoKats' 9 district and regional wins came during the same time period. 45's best counterargument would be culture-changing awards--three WFFAs and a Championship WFA (vs. 2 and 0), three RCAs (vs. 1), and two EI awards (vs. 0). I think the nod still goes to 148, but it's not an early-round knockout.
George1902
16-05-2016, 13:57
48 has added to their impressive resume since this list was last discussed, but I'd still like to throw our hat into the ring as representatives of the rookie class of '98.
https://www.thebluealliance.com/team/180/history
Chris is me
16-05-2016, 14:12
3476 has now added two Einstein appearances and multiple regional wins to their resume since 2014. I think that pushes them above 3539.
I also agree that 180 has had more success than 48.
For 2010 rookies, I would like to suggest 3015, who has been very strong since 2014.
4039 has also been an excellent 2012 (?) rookie.
For a 2014 rookie, 5254.
Travis Hoffman
16-05-2016, 14:37
48 doesn't particularly care about or for popularity contests such as these, so we don't mind one bit if other teams wish to pursue such arbitrary mantles of distinction.
Have at it, 1998 teams. :)
48 doesn't partucularly care about or for popularity contests such as these, so we don't mind one bit if other teams wish to pursue such arbitrary mantles of distinction.
Have at it, 1998 teams. :)
Clearly (http://www.chiefdelphi.com/forums/showthread.php?p=1158474#post1158474) :P
Clearly (http://www.chiefdelphi.com/forums/showthread.php?p=1158474#post1158474) :P
Well that was coming off a very productive year in the hardware department.
Travis Hoffman
16-05-2016, 14:50
Well that was coming off a very productive year in the hardware department.
Clearly an aberration. We promise it will never happen again.
Kevin Leonard
16-05-2016, 15:39
For a 2014 rookie, 5254.
We appreciate that, but there are other 2014 rookies who have had better results than us, for example 5172, 4967, and 4911.
BrennanB
16-05-2016, 16:31
4488 for 2013. 5803 for 2016. Echo 3476 and 2481.
Not sure for 2012 btwn 3990 and 4039, both are very accomplished teams.
5406 for 2015.
4967 seems like a decent choice for 2014.
4294 doesn't exist anymore :(
1678 may have a legitimate claim over 1625.
My opinion:
2016: 5803 (or 5895 - thanks bkahl)
2015: 5460 (or 5406 - thanks BrennanB)
2014: 5172
2013: 4488
2012: 3990 (or 4039)
2011: 3476 (or 3539)
2010: 3310 (with 3132 on the upswing)
2009: 2826
2008: 2481
2007: 2056
2006: 1717 ( :( )
2005: 1678
2004: 1318 (or 1241 - thanks Chris_is_me)
2003: 1114
2002: 987
2001: 494 (or 610 - thanks Chris_is_me)
2000: 469
1999: 254
1998: 195 (or 180)
1997: 67
1996: 71
1995: 177
1994: 144
1993: 151
1992: 111 (or 148)
As more facts come to light, I will most likely end up editing my opinion!
Chris is me
16-05-2016, 16:52
Side note: How come 610's rookie year is 2002 but all of the teams around it (like 612) had their rookie years in 2001?
It's not; it's 2001. FRC website lists them as attending "Nationals" that year.
With 610's continued excellence especially from 2011 onward, they are certainly competitive with 494 for the title.
1241 is a strong choice for 2004.
1241 is a strong choice for 2004.
Absolutely. For some reason I thought they were 2003.
Nuttyman54
16-05-2016, 17:26
2016: 5895
No question in my mind about this. While I appreciate all the nominations for 5803, I think 5895 Peddie School Robotics' on-field performance shows a clear winner. They won 9 awards in 4 events, highest rookie seed at every event they attended and captained the #4 alliance on Carson to the finals.
Ultimately the next several seasons will show more than just the rookie campaigns. This year's rookie class is one of the strongest I can remember. 5817 Uni-Rex, 5818 Riviera Robotics, 5813 Morpheus and more also came out very strong this season, and most importantly are building sustainable programs which will continue to field incredible, high caliber teams for years to come.
Liam Fay
16-05-2016, 18:51
It's not; it's 2001. FRC website lists them as attending "Nationals" that year.
With 610's continued excellence especially from 2011 onward, they are certainly competitive with 494 for the title.
1241 is a strong choice for 2004.
As is 1477.
Moskowapplepi
16-05-2016, 19:03
1519, 1671, and 1690 all contend for best out of 2005 with 1678. all have either won or been a finalist on einstein and always do well a worlds
Charlie Randall
16-05-2016, 21:28
Was not our rookie year, but in our second year (2004), team 1218 went from ranking last at their first regional, to captaining the number one seed on Galileo and finishing as Einstein finalists, only to lose in three to 71...:rolleyes: :rolleyes:.
I agree with many of the suggestions and disagree with others. I'm particularly not convinced we've found the best 2010 rookie. Do we give it to 3339 from their being spectacular the past two years? Or 3310 for more consistent production?
2004: I just don't think 1318 is in the running with 1477 and 1241. They're similar on recent history, but can't compete on early history and lack of championship win.
2015: 5406 might be in a tougher region, but I still think 5460 has had more success, particularly this year (4th overall pick at MSC en route to being finalist)
2014: I would go with 5254, but I think we can have more discussion.
2001: Tough choice, but I'd go with 610 personally. FRC history is short-sighted. Let's add 525 to the discussion as well.
2006: The other possible choices are 1918 and 1718. I'd still go with 1717. Never noticed before, they won a robot award at the Championship 6 of their last 7 years.
Per Billfred, I think we're going with 111 as a '96 rookie. We should only be considering robot quality (see: thread title), but personally I think 111 has been better over the course of history than 71, despite 71's extra Championship. 148 gets in over 45 because FRC history is short-sighted.
2016: 5895
2015: 5460 or 5406
2014: 5254 or 5172 or 4967
2013: 4488
2012: 3990 or 4039
2011: 3476
2010: 3339 or 3310 or 3138 or 3015
2009: 2826
2008: 2481
2007: 2056
2006: 1717 or 1718 or 1918
2005: 1678 (this is unequivocal)
2004: 1477 or 1241
2003: 1114
2002: 987
2001: 610 or 494 or 525
2000: 469
1999: 254
1998: 48 or 180
1997: 67
1996: 111 or 71
1995: 177
1994: 144
1993: 151
1992: 148
Basel is right about everything as usual. Except I do think 195 should be considered along with 48 and 180 for the rookie class of 1998.
48:
1 Championship win (1999)
2 division finalists (2006 and 2007)
5 regional wins (going back to 2007)
10 regional finalists (going back to 2000)
180:
1 Einstein win (2012)
1 Einstein finalist (2002)
2 division wins (2002 and 2012)
2 division finalists (2003 and 2016)
9 regional wins (going back to 2002)
2 regional finalists
195:
1 Einstein finalist (2006)
2 division wins (2006 and 2016)
1 division finalist (2015)
2 district championship wins (2015 and 2016)
1 district championship finalist (2014)
4 district event wins
6 regional wins (going back to 2007)
3 regional finalists (going back to 2002)
Edit: As a small side note, 3015's rookie year is actually 2009, and thus cannot be considered in the running for the 2010 class awards.
I'm also definitely on the 5172 hype train for 2014 (sorry HYPE :)). They have literally made the finals at every regional they've ever attended, ranking 2nd and 3rd overall at their regionals their first two years. Impressive!
tindleroot
17-05-2016, 16:38
I agree with 195 for 1998. Another 1998 rookie that is not as well known but could be put up for consideration is 64. They made Einstein twice in their years, and had such a great season in 2005 (9 awards and a trip to Einstein finals) that they retired their number, resuming as 39 in 2006 (I think that's who they became, right?). 64 is a little unconventional since they stopped competing, but on a year-for-year basis I could argue that they were the most successful 1998 rookie.
Andrew Schreiber
17-05-2016, 17:33
I agree with 195 for 1998. Another 1998 rookie that is not as well known but could be put up for consideration is 64. They made Einstein twice in their years, and had such a great season in 2005 (9 awards and a trip to Einstein finals) that they retired their number, resuming as 39 in 2006 (I think that's who they became, right?). 64 is a little unconventional since they stopped competing, but on a year-for-year basis I could argue that they were the most successful 1998 rookie.
Fun fact about 64. In most of the historical statistics I've played with over the years, they ALWAYS come out near the top. But that's because I usually stop derating scores for folks when they stop competing. And usually teams don't have a dominant year then stop competing... I've figured out ways around this, but 64 is always my canary for forgetting to do a reversion to mean in a statistic.
Citrus Dad
17-05-2016, 17:46
1519, 1671, and 1690 all contend for best out of 2005 with 1678. all have either won or been a finalist on einstein and always do well a worlds
1538 has had both great competitive success and also is Hall of Fame.
Citrus Dad
17-05-2016, 17:49
2006: The other possible choices are 1918 and 1718. I'd still go with 1717. Never noticed before, they won a robot award at the Championship 6 of their last 7 years.
1983 has been the dominant team in the PNW for many years now.
Citrus Dad
17-05-2016, 17:50
No question in my mind about this. While I appreciate all the nominations for 5803, I think 5895 Peddie School Robotics' on-field performance shows a clear winner. They won 9 awards in 4 events, highest rookie seed at every event they attended and captained the #4 alliance on Carson to the finals.
Ultimately the next several seasons will show more than just the rookie campaigns. This year's rookie class is one of the strongest I can remember. 5817 Uni-Rex, 5818 Riviera Robotics, 5813 Morpheus and more also came out very strong this season, and most importantly are building sustainable programs which will continue to field incredible, high caliber teams for years to come.
Notice a trend? I think all of these are mentored by FRC alums or veterans.
Citrus Dad
17-05-2016, 18:00
5136 is my favorite rookie this year in terms of performance.
5137 had at least as good year (even at the same regional in one case).
1983 has been the dominant team in the PNW for many years now.
1983 is amazing! However, they have to compete with 2056 because their rookie year was 2007.
I think 1902 should be considered near the top of the contenders for 2006.
AdamHeard
17-05-2016, 19:17
5137 had at least as good year (even at the same regional in one case).
That post was made in 2014, where 5136 was clearly better.
Another 1998 rookie that is not as well known but could be put up for consideration is 64. They made Einstein twice in their years, and had such a great season in 2005 (9 awards and a trip to Einstein finals) that they retired their number, resuming as 39 in 2006 (I think that's who they became, right?). 64 is a little unconventional since they stopped competing, but on a year-for-year basis I could argue that they were the most successful 1998 rookie.
Actually... That great season wasn't it at all, and 39 wasn't the only team to come out of that.
Short version: Sponsor moved, schools separated into their own teams. 39 was the "primary" school, and opted for a veteran number. Two other teams picked up numbers in the 1100s as the year they joined the team. And, I think there's been a team or two somewhat recently that's had Team 64 as a sponsor (no kidding). I think said teams also had 64's primary sponsor.
tindleroot
17-05-2016, 19:53
Short version: Sponsor moved, schools separated into their own teams. 39 was the "primary" school, and opted for a veteran number. Two other teams picked up numbers in the 1100s as the year they joined the team. And, I think there's been a team or two somewhat recently that's had Team 64 as a sponsor (no kidding). I think said teams also had 64's primary sponsor.
Thanks for the info.
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