Divisional Preview

[Justin Montois]

Curie
111
340
469
1126
1114
1511

Newton
16
67

Galileo
217
365
1625
2056

Archimedes
25
33
118
148
254

[Jared Russell]

?

Based on?

[Justin Montois]

?

Based on?

341....Archimedes

And I can't give up my sources.

[Chris is me]

...Huh?

Who wants to figure out what algorithm the above matches?

[rtfgnow]

Uh, I have trouble believing this, can you give us more info?

[Dancin103]

...Huh?

Who wants to figure out what algorithm the above matches?

haha yeah right. i would trying but i'm currently busy. what i want to know is when this information is going to be public. also, i think that they might be yanking our chains.

cass

[Justin Montois]

...Huh?

Who wants to figure out what algorithm the above matches?


1714......Galileo
:cool:

103.......Archimedes

More fun later...........

[fuzzy1718]

If this is true... I'd hate to be in Curie

[JABot67]

Assuming these are right, :eek: 469 and 1114 in the same division?? Can I hear 30 points?

[Eugene Fang]

I hope were in Newton. It's the only field I haven't been on yet! =)

[JVN]

Archimedes
33
148


Really? Again
Jim Zondag is my kryptonite...

...luckily, I'm not the one he needs to beat this year. ;)

-John

[ColinH]

Do me!

[BrendanB]

Where is 1519?

I want to be in Curie!

[Nick Lawrence]

Where is 1503 supposed to be, according to your sources?

-Nick

[BGiraud]

1676?

[robodude03]

I will just go ahead and bite... 399?

[Alex Cormier]

1519, 1503 - newton

1676, 399 - Galileo



I found it too Justin! :]

[thefro526]

816?

(Can someone post a link?)

[Nawaid Ladak]

If this is true, I know which field i want to do Awards Asst for....

[BrendanB]

1519, 1503 - newton

1676, 399 - Galileo



I found it too Justin! :]

Thanks! I think.... if it is true. Did you say found it?

Nothing on TBA or usfirst.org. April fools was a week ago!

[IKE]

Really? Again
Jim Zondag is my kryptonite...

...luckily, I'm not the one he needs to beat this year. ;)

-John

2010 for 33, now there are 2 seperate Copioli's to compete against.:confused:

What happens when you mix Yellow Kryptonite, with Green Kryptonite in a Red Kryptonite shell? Must begin scouting DC comics for the answer.

[Akash Rastogi]

I'll join in the fun.

11?

[BrendanB]

I'll join in the fun.

11?

Einstein! ;)

[Akash Rastogi]

Einstein! ;)

Ha, that's a knee-slapper.

[Jon Jack]

1538?

Link please?

[MissDaisyGirl]

I can't get that link to work either :eek:

Maybe FIRST saw this thread?

[Dancin103]

I can't get that link to work either :eek:

Maybe FIRST saw this thread?

hahahah yeah. somebody probably hacked something somewhere. :)

[BGiraud]

WOW. A lot of moderator action. I bet this thread gets deleted. Must be sensitive info.

[Dancin103]

WOW. A lot of moderator action. I bet this thread gets deleted. Must be sensitive info.

I think you're right. In combination what MissDaisyGirl said. The information coming out must be correct and there was a link that worked and FIRST may have caught wind. Just my two cents.

Cass

[robodude03]

WOW. A lot of moderator action. I bet this thread gets deleted. Must be sensitive info.

Yeah definitely a lot of activity, I wonder if there will be any "changes" now...

[MissDaisyGirl]

Well thank you for making me anxious for no reason.

I was perfectly fine sitting at my desk at work oblivious to what division I was in.

/sigh

Back to work... Someone wake me when the actual ones are posted!

[BrendanB]

Well thank you for making me anxious for no reason.

I was perfectly fine sitting at my desk at work oblivious to what division I was in.

/sigh

Back to work... Someone wake me when the actual ones are posted!

Haha, same here. Back to my paper/school then work!

Oh well, that was fun...

[Peter Matteson]

FIRST has gotten upset about hijacked links in the past. They just don't know how to hide from the Google spiders for long. Anyways it doesn't mean anything until it's officially, which will probably be 5pm like when they usually let it out.

[Dancin103]

Yes, thank you for the excitement. Where did y'all find this? Just out of curiosity. Maybe I shouldn't ask, my post my get deleted or censored. lol jk

375 post, yay Robotic Plague!

Cass

[Alex Cormier]

...which will probably be 5pm...

It may be sooner then you think...

[Tom Bottiglieri]

Hopefully the division selection gods will keep 1114 away from 469, for the sake of exciting matches on Einstein...

[Dancin103]

It may be sooner then you think...

Sooner? I'll take that. Are you talking about 5 pm today? They used to release it at like 12:30 in the afternoon on a Wednesday. Just some past experience. Although I don't know why we are all getting worked up over this. lol :)

[Racer26]

It may be sooner then you think...

My question is, so what if we found it earlier than they wanted to "officially" release it. Since it was found, why not just release it? Now I'm expecting them to take it back and generate a new set of divisions, because of the leak. I don't understand why knowing what the divisions are matters when leaked a day or two early. It doesnt change any of the strategy, it just lets you know what strategies you might have to employ.

[Dancin103]

My question is, so what if we found it earlier than they wanted to "officially" release it. Since it was found, why not just release it? Now I'm expecting them to take it back and generate a new set of divisions, because of the leak. I don't understand why knowing what the divisions are matters when leaked a day or two early. It doesnt change any of the strategy, it just lets you know what strategies you might have to employ.

I totally agree with you, knowing today makes no difference that knowing yesterday, or the day after. The only think that makes it having a difference is the time frame for scouting before hand. All I have to say is Good Luck to all teams. :)

[Justin Montois]

I posted this in the rumor mill because i fully expected them to change. This was meant to be a fun way to build excitment before the official release. Nothing unethical was meant by it and dont regard any of this as official. So much for a fun rumor thread...

[Alex Cormier]

I posted this in the rumor mill because i fully expected them to change. This was meant to be a fun way to build excitment before the official release. Nothing unethical was meant by it and dont regard any of this as official. So much for a fun rumor thread...

I had fun. :)

[BrendanB]

It was fun, especially when you are searching around different sites to find it!

I think when you and Alex responded you guys seemed to give it more of an "official" sense which drove people up the wall thinking that FIRST had hidden it for us and you two knew where it was!

If I was you, I would have predicted where the top 10 teams in each division would have gone and watched to see if they would have come true! :D

Thanks for posting it gave me something to laugh about today!

[Travis Hoffman]

Pay no attention to the man behind the curtain.

Just take it easy guys. Don't make FIRST's job any harder than it is - imagine what happens around Championship payment deadline time (i.e. now). They're working very hard to handle a number of teams' needs right now. People may be dropping - some may be adding in at the last minute. I imagine it's rather hectic.

Patience is a virtue. Let them release their divisions on their own terms.

I'd wait until the team list links for each division show up on this page:

http://usfirst.org/roboticsprograms/frc/content.aspx?id=432

[Pat Fairbank]

FIRST's test event schedule page is showing Newton right now... which matches up with Justin's original preview of 16 and 67...

http://www2.usfirst.org/2010comp/events/TEST/schedulequal.html

[Jared Russell]

...snip...

But which doesn't match up with Alex Cormier's preview of 399 being in Galileo. These clearly are still very much in flux.

[Peter Matteson]

FIRST's test event schedule page is showing Newton right now... which matches up with Justin's original preview of 16 and 67...

http://www2.usfirst.org/2010comp/events/TEST/schedulequal.html

Interesting, that puts my team in Newton again...

It would be the FIRST time we were in the same division 2 years in a row.

[Tom Bottiglieri]

FIRST's test event schedule page is showing Newton right now... which matches up with Justin's original preview of 16 and 67...

http://www2.usfirst.org/2010comp/events/TEST/schedulequal.html
If I were testing this system, I would probably do it like this.

1) Generate test divisions
2) Generate test matches
3) Make sure everything works the way I want it to.
4) Do it again for real.

Who knows though.

[dsmoker]

Would put us in Newton too, with 177, 178 and Rosie (sort of an honorary CT team they are so close). Fine by me, hope it stays this way!

[robodude03]

But which doesn't match up with Alex Cormier's preview of 399 being in Galileo. These clearly are still very much in flux.

Yep that is exactly what I was going to say. Things are still changing as we speek. As was mentioned, last minute additions and changes are probably being made.

[thefro526]

FIRST's test event schedule page is showing Newton right now... which matches up with Justin's original preview of 16 and 67...

http://www2.usfirst.org/2010comp/events/TEST/schedulequal.html

Wow!

According to that test schedule 67 will have 10 Qualification Matches.

I'll check for other teams and edit back.

*Edit* It appears that teams will have 10 matches with the exception of some surrogates. (according to the test schedule)

[BrendanB]

I think they changed it from the mad rush earlier because we are not on Newton anymore. But I like this Newton with 1922,1902, and 1073 on one field.


Crosses fingers for: 1519,1073,1058,1922! I know it probably won't happen!

[Jared Russell]

Interesting, that puts my team in Newton again...

It would be the FIRST time we were in the same division 2 years in a row.

Interesting, we were in Galileo for five straight seasons, 2003-2007.

[Jon Jack]

Did you guys notice that they're giving each team 10 matches?

Granted, they could just be playing with match intervals...

[robodude03]

Wow!

According to that schedule 67 will have 10 Qualification Matches.

I'll check for other teams and edit back.

*Edit* It appears that teams will have 10 matches with the exception of some surrogates.

We also have 10 matches according to the test schedule.

[thefro526]

We also have 10 matches according to the test schedule.

It appears that this is true for most teams.

The only surrogate I've found on that schedule so far is 2771.

[Alex Cormier]

We also have 10 matches according to the test schedule.

hmm.

[roystur44]

No Love for Team 971. We didn't even make it to the Quarters

:confused:


Roy

[Jared Russell]

They are also doing an elimination schedule for Newton :)

[thefro526]

hmm.

I wonder how feasible this test schedule actually is.

It appears that is built around a 6 minute match interval (Start of one to the start of another)

[Peter Matteson]

10 matches was the stated plan for this year and the reason we're starting matches on Thursday according to Bill's Blog.

[robodude03]

hmm.

Ha ha ha. I guess I should place it as "test" schedule :P However, having 10 matches will be really nice.

[The Lucas]

FIRST's test event schedule page is showing Newton right now... which matches up with Justin's original preview of 16 and 67...

http://www2.usfirst.org/2010comp/events/TEST/schedulequal.html

2 positive I take out this:

-Well the times are correct, fixed from MSC
-Looks like they are shooting for 10 matches per team (a big improvement from 7)

[Alex Cormier]

WOW...

Division MIKE!

http://www2.usfirst.org/2010comp/events/TEST/scheduleelim.html

[Pat Fairbank]

Just found Justin's source - it's the feed that FMS uses to download team lists. Looks genuine.

1503's in Archimedes. :)

[Justin Montois]

Just found Justin's source - it's the feed that FMS uses to download team lists. Looks genuine.

1503's in Archimedes. :)

My source was an email from a friend lol

I think you found my sources source ; )

[Chris is me]

Just found Justin's source - it's the feed that FMS uses to download team lists. Looks genuine.

1503's in Archimedes. :)

How do you access this?

[Alex Cormier]

Just found Justin's source - it's the feed that FMS uses to download team lists. Looks genuine.

1503's in Archimedes. :)

Wow, it actually is. sweet looking, I think curie is the hardest.

[Jason Law]

How do you access this?

if you can't tell us or something, you could always tell me what division 2834 is in... :)

[Alex Cormier]

if you can't tell us or something, you could always tell me what division 2834 is in... :)

Galileo.

[SpaceOsc]

702?

[kwotremb]

WOW...

Division MIKE!

http://www2.usfirst.org/2010comp/events/TEST/scheduleelim.html

WOOT! My old team made division MIKE!

GO 93!

Curious to see who ends up in each division. If 1114 and 469 end up in the same division they could be hard to beat.

Where did 1918 end up? They might be able to beat out 469 and 1114 in ranking to split them up.

[gr8dragon]

I want to join in on the fun...

Team 188?
:)

Parth

[rtfgnow]

702?
Galileo

[Akash Rastogi]

They are also doing an elimination schedule for Newton :)

Booo this test elim schedule stinks. 11 doesn't even get picked. :p

So what division is 11 being tossed into this year? I'm hoping its Newton.

[Alex Cormier]

702 and 188 - Galileo

[Ricky Q.]

I want to join in on the fun...

Team 188?
:)

Parth

Galileo...

[Eugene Fang]

604?

[rtfgnow]

604?
Archimedes.

[Alex Cormier]

604?

Arch

[thefro526]

816?

[jblay]

694?

Also I don't think I've ever seen a thread with more deleted posts.

[Pat Fairbank]

816 Curie
694 Galileo

[Tyler Hicks]

1918?

[nikeairmancurry]

326? 2056? 503?

[rtfgnow]

1918?
Arch.

[thefro526]

816 Curie
694 Galileo

Hmmm...

Curie is the only Field we've won an Elimination Match on at the Championship.

Should be fun.

[rtfgnow]

326? 2056? 503?
A,G,G.

[robodude03]

Team 694 and 702 = Galileo

[Racer26]

1075?

[robodude03]

1075?

Team 1075 = Curie

[Sunshine]

2062

[Racer26]

Team 1075 = Curie

*sigh* I was hoping we might get to play an event against anyone BUT 1114 and 2056... oh well.

[rtfgnow]

2062
Archimedes

[tim-tim]

link? or how to?

[Alex Dinsmoor]

I guess in will join in the frenzy... 201, 2337, and 573 please :)

[Alex Cormier]

found it.

[fuzzy1718]

1718? 27? 33?

[Chris is me]

Archimedes

This is sad news :(

Our alliance partners always get thrown around into other divisions.

Oh, and
GALI-

[Racer26]

Anybody else spot the pattern? I did right away.

[sammyjalex]

I'm very curious now as to where 368 and 359 are.

..just kidding

[rtfgnow]

This is sad news :(

Our alliance partners always get thrown around into other divisions.

Oh, and
GALI-
LEO

[robodude03]

*sigh* I was hoping we might get to play an event against anyone BUT 1114 and 2056... oh well.

Well you don't have to worry about 2056 in Curie, but 469 is there.

[Alex Cormier]

I'm getting sick of this. :rolleyes:
http://frclinks.com/z/a
http://frclinks.com/z/c
http://frclinks.com/z/g
http://frclinks.com/z/n

Yup.

[Racer26]

Only question now is: Will FIRST re-do the divisions, now that you guys leaked em?

[Alex Cormier]

Only question now is: Will FIRST re-do the divisions, now that you guys leaked em?


Nope.

[Racer26]

2337 is in Curie... too bad they're not designed in a way that us or 1114 could hang off them.

[Alex Cormier]

Looks like we pretty much got the latest version of the divisions.

http://frcdirector.blogspot.com/

[Travis Hoffman]

Looks like we pretty much got the latest version of the divisions.

http://frcdirector.blogspot.com/

"We’ve assigned teams to CMP divisions, and will make the lists public as soon as we can update the website (probably tomorrow at this point). THESE ASSIGNMENTS ARE NOT FINAL. Teams are still dropping out and signing up which continues to cause last minute changes. When the website goes live, you will be able to see the unofficial list here (https://my.usfirst.org/myarea/index.lasso?page=event_teamlist&eid=3343&programs=FRC&season_FRC=2010)."

Told you so. Doubters!

[Dancin103]

"We’ve assigned teams to CMP divisions, and will make the lists public as soon as we can update the website (probably tomorrow at this point). THESE ASSIGNMENTS ARE NOT FINAL. Teams are still dropping out and signing up which continues to cause last minute changes. When the website goes live, you will be able to see the unofficial list here (https://my.usfirst.org/myarea/index.lasso?page=event_teamlist&eid=3343&programs=FRC&season_FRC=2010)."

Told you so. Doubters!

Haha yeah.

Cass

[sammyjalex]

If the division stay pretty close to this, Archimedes is far deeper than any of the other divisions, far less "predictable". It's interesting that they would do that.

G: 217, 2056, 1717
C: 1114, 469
N: 67, 971, 16
A: 25, 359, 148, 341, 71, 330, 1918

Just my take

Sam

[Akash Rastogi]

I'm afraid of 67 and 16 pairing up in Newton :ahh:

[ZeroGAdam]

My #1 alliance picks
Arc: 25, 148, 341
Cur: 1114,469 , 1986
Gal: 365,217,100
New:67,16, 294 or 971

Archimedes seems like its going to have the most action occurring. Curie also looks like it will be a tough field to play in. This will be an exciting event for sure.

[gorrilla]

I hope 1557 gets put on the same division as 1902!
:p


on a side note, I hope 79 and 801 can play together again

[ZeroGAdam]

744?

744=Galileo

[Graham Donaldson]

Hey, don't forget that NJ and VA (undefeated at VA) winners 1676 are going to be on Curie too. We may be new to the top of the pile, but I think we're working our way up there...

[waialua359]

wow.
358 and 359 on the same field. Thought it would never happen Mark! You'll be close to us in the pits too!

I hope 469 remembers who their alliance partners were in elims last year at CMP..........368:D 1114, 469, 368. Oh my!

Archimedes is the deepest and we always seem to be stuck with them.:ahh:
25, 254, 330, 148, 118, 341, 1918, 33, 71, 103 just to name a few.
My bet is all the teams I listed make elims. Of course, that's an easy bet.
I hope we get picked 2nd with any two of the above.;)

[JaneYoung]

Why couldn't you guys just wait and let the Division selection process get taken care of and then released in an appropriate official manner?

We constantly ask for a more transparent communication with FIRST. That requires respect and maturity on our side.

If you guys are/were just guessing - fine - but if you were snooping and tracking down the info before it was ready to be officially released, that's pretty darn tacky.


Jane

[rcmolloy]

Hmm... so 1647 in Archimedes. Interesting division and should be quite exciting.

[waialua359]

Someone earlier mentioned they spotted a pattern in the sorting method - can (did?) anyone elaborate?

I have no clue.
Strange that galileo's 1st team is 51. Archimedes at that point already has 5 teams on their list.

[waialua359]

Why couldn't you guys just wait and let the Division selection process get taken care of and then released in an appropriate official manner?

We constantly ask for a more transparent communication with FIRST. That requires respect and maturity on our side.

If you guys are/were just guessing - fine - but if you were snooping and tracking down the info before it was ready to be officially released, that's pretty darn tacky.


Jane

Jane,
its all in fun.
Its like kids with candy.
They are dangling it.:D

[JaneYoung]

Jane,
its all in fun.
Its like kids with candy.
They are dangling it.:D

If that be true, then why are posts removed from the thread?

[Greg Needel]

Why couldn't you guys just wait and let the Division selection process get taken care of and then released in an appropriate official manner?

We constantly ask for a more transparent communication with FIRST. That requires respect and maturity on our side.

If you guys are/were just guessing - fine - but if you were snooping and tracking down the info before it was ready to be officially released, that's pretty darn tacky.


Jane



No offense Jane, but when you have thousands of excited smart kids they are going to find stuff. If FIRST really wanted to keep this information out of the hands of the public they should not have put it on a public website. This has been a problem for the last few years and I don't hold any fault with the kids using their smarts in a legal way to get info they want.

Bill's blog said that the divisions are subject to change so this is all just speculation until they are on FIRST's main page.

[Peter Matteson]

Bill's blog said that the divisions are subject to change so this is all just speculation until they are on FIRST's main page.

I would be surprised if they don't mix it up based on this, just to mess with us.

[dsmoker]

Well, it's probably exacerbated this year by the fact that they usually release the divisons by now. I think everyone's just excited and a little impatient. Nice to see kids excited about something other than when the latest Twilight movie is coming out.

[ZeroGAdam]

I am just waiting for all of this to be fake, and we all find out that this was all invalid information. This probably was released so they could drive us nuts with only a couple people of knowing the real information. It's just like a game hint, just not as exciting.

[Lara Surmak]

Anybody else spot the pattern? I did right away.

If there's a pattern, could you tell us please?

[Chris is me]

If that be true, then why are posts removed from the thread?

All posts removed from the thread were part of a subtle joke orchestrated by Alex Corimer.

[Travis Hoffman]

46?

[rtfgnow]

46?
Nowhere.

48 is on Curie.

[Andrew Schreiber]

If you guys are/were just guessing - fine - but if you were snooping and tracking down the info before it was ready to be officially released, that's pretty darn tacky.


Jane

Gotta comment on this since snooping around websites is sort of a hobby of mine.

If FIRST, or anyone, puts a page out on a server and thinks that not having links to access it is a viable way of protecting it they are asking for that page to be found. If they really cared they would have secured the page properly. ANYTHING you put out online in an unsecured manner is fair game. Nothing illegal about accessing a page that you have access to. Security through obscurity is a bad idea.

Now, if someone had decided to break through the security and access the files THAT is illegal. To my knowledge that did not happen though.

[Akash Rastogi]

46?

46 is already on Einstein. Team IFI will have a tough time with them.


They're just waiting for 469 and 1114 to try and beat them.

Nowhere.

48 is on Curie.

Oh Alex...do you not remember this joke?:rolleyes:

[Travis Hoffman]

Nowhere.

48 is on Curie.

46 is EVERYWHERE.

I'm just trying to add to the random pointlessness. :)

[pakratt1991]

I would be surprised if these didn't change. Although I don't know if I want them to, the competition on Archimedes is bound to be intense!

[Ricky Q.]

Posted for all now:

https://my.usfirst.org/myarea/index.lasso?page=event_teamlist&eid=3343&programs=FRC&season_FRC=2010

[Travis Hoffman]

Posted for all now:

https://my.usfirst.org/myarea/index.lasso?page=event_teamlist&eid=3343&programs=FRC&season_FRC=2010

This might be more convenient - lists all teams, sorted by division.

https://my.usfirst.org/myarea/index.lasso?page=teamlist&event_type=FRC&sort_teams=division&year=2010&event=cmp