[FF]: Season Long Waiver Discussion

[EricH]

It's time for some planning ahead...

For those competing in the Season Long Fantasy FIRST league, there has been a discussion of modifying the procedure for picking up a newly added team from first-come-first-serve to a waiver system. With clearance from Ed to try it out, there are still a few questions to answer. I'll give my answer; anybody who has another answer, speak up.

(For an explanation of how this works, see this post (http://www.chiefdelphi.com/forums/showpost.php?p=969820&postcount=43).)

1) Which teams are subject to the waiver process?
--My thought is, if the team is in the pool of available teams at the end of a draft (or, more likely, an hour after the draft), they should not be included in the waiver process unless they are picked and dropped. All teams added to the pool, even by being dropped, after the draft ends would be subject to waivers.

2) How long should a new team be on waivers?
--I think I speak for both Kevin (Vikesrock) and myself when I say that we're thinking no more than a day or two from the point where the team's presence is known.

3) What about the waiver priority list? What criteria should be used to order that?
--The higher you are on the priority list, the quicker you can pick up a team. What we're thinking is use the most current scoring (AKA last year's until we get scores), in reverse order, with people who don't have a score in random order at the top of the list. I'm personally thinking that number of missing teams should also factor in, moving people who are missing teams higher on the list.

4) How to manage the list/claims?
--I'm thinking a separate thread to maintain the list and for claims to be posted.

5) Should players post teams that they will drop?


As this is a new idea for the league, input is welcomed. If you have a different question, bring it up and let the discussion begin.

[Chris is me]

1. Any team that is dropped or added to the event after the draft immediately goes to the Waiver list. (This is concise and accounts for trades and drops from the Free list too)

2. What's going to happen more often than not I think is a team will be on waivers, the person up next won't pick them up because they aren't active or whatever, and then they'll fall to the free list. All that would accomplish is pushing the "speed rush" for good teams back a day. I think they should stay on waivers until the entire list has said "pass" or someone has picked them up.

3. Only problem with "lowest first" is that it will be "barely active people first".

[Vikesrock]

Chris,

The way a waiver wire usually works is that anyone that wants to post a claim for a team during the time they are on waivers may do so. So if, for example, 1114 adds to Midwest and goes on waivers, anyone can post a claim in the 24 hours after their add is announced in the waiver thread.

The person that is highest on the priority list (or in this example, the person highest on the priority list in each tier) that puts in a claim would be awarded the team. Additions of very good teams to an event may result in a cascade of claims moving up the priority list as less active (or less ridiculous ;) ) players check in.

[Chris is me]

Oh, that's a lot more reasonable then. Thanks for the clarification.

[Barry Bonzack]

I like the idea, but I would prefer the waiver period be by the end of Sunday, that way everyone has at least the weekend to get on and look. I don't think FF should be a daily maintenance game after drafting ends.

My proposition time frame to claim a team: all teams that go on the waiver list will be decided by 11:59PM Sunday, but no less than 48 hours.

For example: Team 67 joins the St. Louis Regional on a Wednesday, players can make claims up to 11:59 PM Sunday.

Example 2: Team 1625 is added to the Hawaii regional on a Saturday, Claims can be made all the way until the following Sunday (8 days).

[EricH]

I like that for during the drafting and build season. Cut it down to 48 hours or the lock of that event's drafts, whichever comes first, during competition season as there will be far fewer adds/drops during that time.

Oh, and I'd say that the waiver period starts on discovery that the team has added (i.e., 330 registers for San Diego on Monday, and they are discovered as attending on Saturday as somebody goes on a check, they'll be on waivers until the following Sunday). Does that seem reasonable?

[Vikesrock]

Oh, and I'd say that the waiver period starts on discovery that the team has added (i.e., 330 registers for San Diego on Monday, and they are discovered as attending on Saturday as somebody goes on a check, they'll be on waivers until the following Sunday). Does that seem reasonable?

I agree, we have no way of knowing when a team actually registered, the waiver period should start when they are posted as available in the waiver thread.

I think that Barry's proposal will make it easier on both players and me by having a fixed time that waivers are processed.

[EricH]

Still to discuss:

1) When should the waiver start for dropped teams? I'm thinking that there are two ways to do this:
a) As soon as the draft ends, any team dropped goes on waivers.
b) After midnight (or some other specified time) after the draft, any team dropped goes on waivers; before then, all teams are free agents.


2) Should teams that will be dropped be posted, as an indication of which teams may/may not be available the next week? (Note that those teams would be "pending" or "probable" drops, not finalized.) I'd go with, for the sake of convenience, requiring the potential drop to be posted-- during the waiver process time on Sunday nights, it'll be relatively easy to go into the threads to do the swap, instead of tracking down the player and getting the team they're dropping.

3) During competition season, teams often show up missing from an event. I was thinking that players with missing teams should move up the list (say, one spot up per missing team in a given event), and not have to drop a team to get a team from waivers for an event they're missing a team in. What do you guys think about that?

[Vikesrock]

1) I like option B for the first question. Teams that are dropped the night of the draft are usually randoms that people are switching out and would really crowd the waiver process with teams that are unlikely to be picked up.

2) The proposed drop should definitely be included in the waiver claim post. If the team being dropped is no longer attending they should still be posted with a note that they are not attending to make things easier to process.

3)I'd be fine with moving someone up a spot or two per missing team during competition season.

[ATannahill]

On item number 2, i feel that a pm to whoever is running the waivers would be acceptable so that no other player can get an advantage by seeing what will be up the following week.

[EricH]

On item number 2, i feel that a pm to whoever is running the waivers would be acceptable so that no other player can get an advantage by seeing what will be up the following week.
I was thinking that a PM would be an acceptable method of making a claim, if you wanted to. Open post, PM, or any combination of the two, as long as you note a) the team you want, b) the tier/event combination, and c) the team you're dropping if your claim is the highest priority.

[ATannahill]

Seems we need a waiver now. 501, 319, and 2621 were dropped by hill.

I propose this initial waiver list. The new players are at the top in the order they signed up followed by veterans in reverse order from their ranking last year.

1. Clinton Bolinger
2. Karibou
3. fireyoshi
4. kenavt
5. Basel A
6. James1902
7. Tim Delles
8. Pandamonium
9. Josh Fox
10. Koko Ed
11. Alex Cormier
12. rtfgnow
13. dodar
14. EricH
15. Bethany Mc.
16. Dargel1625
17. Chris is me
18. Vikesrock
19. Barry Bonzack

[ATannahill]

For now I am willing to run the waiver but I might give it to Kevin or Eric later. If you are in tier 2 for BAE and want 501, 319, or 2621, pm me or post with:

a. which team you want
b. which team you will drop
c. on a scale from 1-10 how much you want that team, 1 being I will kill for them, 10 being I might bend down to pick them up (so that if more teams are dropped I know which is most important to you. This number does not mean you are more likely to get the team than anyone else)

If these three items are not included your request will not be honored. You have until 11:59 pm Sunday.

[ATannahill]

We have another matter to clear up. Monday morning, someone will get one of the teams mentioned above.

What happens to the team they drop? Is that team free for all or does it go on the waiver?

If it free for all, and someone picks it up, will the team they drop go on the waiver?

[ATannahill]

Tim Delles has dropped 172 and 1721 in BAE tier 2. These teams will be on waiver until December 5th at 11:59 pm EST. PM or post here if you want them. Remember, if you have a bid in for tomorrow it may effect your position on the list.

[EricH]

We have another matter to clear up. Monday morning, someone will get one of the teams mentioned above.

What happens to the team they drop? Is that team free for all or does it go on the waiver?

If it free for all, and someone picks it up, will the team they drop go on the waiver?
Waiver wire, I'd say.

[ATannahill]

I assume by that you mean put them in the waiver pool for the following week.

[EricH]

I assume by that you mean put them in the waiver pool for the following week.
Yep. Sometimes, a really good team gets dropped. Having them go to the vultures immediately can cause mayhem.

[ATannahill]

Alex Cormier has dropped from the league. His picks are now up for waiver and they are as follows:

BAE Tier 1: 3074 2621 811
FLR Tier 1: 578 1450 1518
Traverse City Tier 1: 857 904 1596

[ATannahill]

Vikesrock won the waiver for 501. No other team was requested. 319 2621 are now available. Barry you needed to be in Tier 2 and in front of Vikes if you wanted to win.

1. Clinton Bolinger
2. Karibou
3. fireyoshi
4. kenavt
5. Basel A
6. James1902
7. Tim Delles
8. Pandamonium
9. Josh Fox
10. Koko Ed
11. Alex Cormier
12. rtfgnow
13. dodar
14. EricH
15. Bethany Mc.
16. Dargel1625
17. Chris is me
18. Barry Bonzack
19. Vikesrock

The following teams are available on waiver. There will probably be more tonight when up to three people are kicked.

BAE Tier 1: 3074 2621 811
FLR Tier 1: 578 1450 1518
Traverse City Tier 1: 857 904 1596
BAE Tier 2: 172 1721 166

[EricH]

Due to more drops, the following teams are now on waivers (no particular order):

Granite State Tier 1: 134, 1721, 151
Granite State Tier 2: 3074, 58, 241
Finger Lakes Tier 1: 73, 211, 250
Finger Lakes Tier 2: 578, 145, 156
New Jersey: 2600, 2199, 1881, 102, 2729, 2191
Kettering Tier 1: 49, 894, 314
Kettering Tier 2: 2604, 703, 3536
Traverse City Tier 1: 2611, 2767, 3458
Traverse City Tier 2: 3357, 3639, 2000

[Chris is me]

Requesting 102 over 2495 - 8

[dodar]

I'll take 3357 over 857 - 3

[Barry Bonzack]

For now I am willing to run the waiver but I might give it to Kevin or Eric later. If you are in tier 2 for BAE and want 501, 319, or 2621, pm me or post with:

a. which team you want
b. which team you will drop
c. on a scale from 1-10 how much you want that team, 1 being I will kill for them, 10 being I might bend down to pick them up (so that if more teams are dropped I know which is most important to you. This number does not mean you are more likely to get the team than anyone else)

If these three items are not included your request will not be honored. You have until 11:59 pm Sunday.

Thought everyone would like a reminder on how to request a team on the waiver list.

Is the PM necessary though? can we post A B and C here?

[EricH]

You can do it however you want to. I happen to have a waiver claim or 3 in by PM right now.

For reference, C is for the case where you have a claim in on a team and another team comes in. C will determine which claim gets handled first, so choose wisely.

[ATannahill]

Dargel1625 has been booted and his teams are on waiver.

[dodar]

1918 for 857 - 4

[ATannahill]

Dargel's picks are

WPI 1: 121 1884 2876
Kansas City:1730 1710 938
San Diego: 2029 3134 3255
BAE 2: 133 836 1277
Alamo 2: 3529 2843 3029
New Jersey: 613 869 2458
Kettering 1: 2604 1322 3415
Traverse 2: 1918 1896 2767
FLR 2: 174 73 716

[ATannahill]

Dodar you did not rate your other request. Until you do so, your request for 1918 is the only legit one. Also I need a secondary team to drop if you get both.

[dodar]

Actually if you go look at my posts they all meet the requirements

[ATannahill]

You are correct. I am guessing I recording the information beofre you edited the post.

[ATannahill]

I am taking this to mean you want 3357 but if you don't get it go for 1918.

[dodar]

yes

[Koko Ed]

I see alot more teams have signed up for regionals since the drafts have begun.
I suggest that remaining league members go check out what new teams have signed up (alot of rookie) to see if you want to add them to your alliance.

[ATannahill]

Technically they are not up for waiver until they have been announced here or in all the tiers for the events.

I'll go through tomorrow and get the list of new teams in each event.

[ATannahill]

Here are the new teams that were added to the events already drafted. They will be on waiver until December 12th.

NH: 213 1247 1289 1749 1824 3323
FLR: 1585 3799 3838 3840
Traverse City: 3767 3771 3772
Kettering: 3770
Alamo: 3582 3778 3808 3820 3834
San Diego: 3749
Lake Superior: 3829 3840

[EricH]

And with kenavt dropping out, the following teams enter waiver (to come off not tomorrow, but the Sunday after, due to timing):

Alamo 1: 3529, 3366, 2745
Granite State 1: 836, 58, 1307
Finger Lakes 1: 145, 639, 1405
New Jersey: 2180, 623, 1647
Kettering 1: 703, 3450, 468
Traverse City 1: 3639, 1896, 3688
Kansas City: 2001, 1847, 2357
Superior 2: 2846, 3754, 2175
San Diego: 2090, 2839, 3480
WPI 2: 121, 1884, 3780

[Chris is me]

3450 for Kettering over my last pick.

10

[Tim Delles]

I would like to claim 121 for the WPI 2 league.

[Chris is me]

WPI 3780 over 1991, 9

[Barry Bonzack]

FLR Tier 1
get 250 to drop 2053

5

[Barry Bonzack]

New Jersey
get 102 drop 1302

2

[Barry Bonzack]

San Diego

Get 2090 drop 2984
6


Get 2839 drop 2485
4

[Barry Bonzack]

Kansas City

get 1730 drop 1777
3

[Barry Bonzack]

WPI2

get 121 drop 2067
2 (tied with my other 2)


If I do not get 121
Get 3780 drop 2067
9

[Barry Bonzack]

Traverse 2
get 1918 drop 2145
1

[Barry Bonzack]

Kettering 2
Get 703 drop 1322
10

Recap by priority and regional
1. 1918 Traverse 2
2. 102 NJ
2. 121 WPI 2
3. 1730 KC
4. 2839 San D
5. 250 FLR
6. 2090 San D
9. 3780 WPI 2
10 703 Kett 2


Thanks, sorry for spamming the waivers thread.

[ATannahill]

I am going to go through and fix every thread but here are the results in no particular order. Please hold off all waiver requests until I make another post in this thread.

Basel A gets 3357
dodar gets 1918
rtfgnow gets 102, 1710, 174, 2029, 2611, 894
EricH gets 1730, 49, 145
Barry Bonzack gets 250, 703

And the list:

1. Karibou
2. fireyoshi
3. James1902
4. Tim Delles
5. Josh Fox
6. Koko Ed
7. Bethany Mc.
8. Chris is me
9. Vikesrock
10. Basel A
11. dodar
12. Barry Bonzack
13. EricH
14. rtfgnow

[ATannahill]

I have fixed all drafts within their threads. Please check your picks to make sure I didn't mess up. I would appreciate it if someone will copy over the waiver list for each event into this thread.

[Barry Bonzack]

I am going to go through and fix every thread but here are the results in no particular order. Please hold off all waiver requests until I make another post in this thread.

Basel A gets 3357
dodar gets 1918
rtfgnow gets 102, 1710, 174, 2029, 2611, 894
EricH gets 1730, 49, 145
Barry Bonzack gets 250, 703

And the list:

1. Karibou
2. fireyoshi
3. James1902
4. Tim Delles
5. Josh Fox
6. Koko Ed
7. Bethany Mc.
8. Chris is me
9. Vikesrock
10. Basel A
11. dodar
12. Barry Bonzack
13. EricH
14. rtfgnow



no one gets 121?

If no one else requested 2839 or 2090, does that mean I get them and my name is on the bottom of the list?

[EricH]

There are a number of teams--and I believe that 121 is among them--that are not cleared yet due to becoming available after midnight Friday. As such, they will be cleared next week.

[ATannahill]

There are a number of teams--and I believe that 121 is among them--that are not cleared yet due to becoming available after midnight Friday. As such, they will be cleared next week.

The threads should be correct in all aspects. If no one has done it by that time I will compile all the waiver teams and post them here when I get home.

[ATannahill]

BAE 1:58 213 836 1247 1289 1307 1749 1824 3323
BAE 2:213 509 1247 1289 1749 1824 3323
Traverse 1:1896, 2000 3639, 3688 3767 3771 3772
Traverse 2:830 857 3767 3771 3772
FLR 1:145, 639, 1405 1585 2053 3799 3838 3840
FLR 2:639 1585 3015 3799 3838 3840
Kettering 1:326 468 703 3450 3535 3770
Kettering 2:1322 3770
New Jersey:219, 623, 1647 2180
Alamo 1:2745 3366, 3529, 3582 3778 3808 3820 3834
Alamo 2:2843 3029 3529 3582 3778 3808 3820 3834
San Diego:1372 2090 2839 3480 3749
Kansas City:1802 1847 2001 2164 2357
WPI 1:-
WPI 2:121 1884 3780
Lake Superior 1:2840 3829
Lake Superior 2:2175 2846 3754 3829 3840

[ATannahill]

BAE 1:58 213 836 1247 1289 1307 1749 1824 3323 3467
BAE 2:213 509 1247 1289 1749 1824 3323 3467
Traverse 1:1896, 2000 3639, 3688 3767 3771 3772
Traverse 2:830 857 3767 3771 3772
FLR 1:145, 639, 1405 1585 2053 3799 3838 3842
FLR 2:639 1585 3015 3799 3838 3842
Kettering 1:326 468 703 3450 3535 3770
Kettering 2:1322 3770
New Jersey:219, 623, 1647 2180
Alamo 1:2745 3366, 3529, 3582 3583 3778 3808 3820 3834
Alamo 2:2843 3029 3529 3582 3583 3778 3808 3820 3834
San Diego:1372 2090 2839 3480 3749 3894
Kansas City:1802 1847 2001 2164 2357
WPI 1:-
WPI 2:121 1884 3780
Lake Superior 1:2840 3829 3846
Lake Superior 2:2175 2846 3754 3829 3840 3846

Florida:3410 3850

Teams in bold are newly added.

2840 dropped FLR but were on the waiver list.
3134 dropped San Diego.

[EricH]

Nobody had either 2840 or 3134, so nobody moves up the waiver list due to missing teams yet.

[Vikesrock]

The two Michigan district events have a number of new teams added. I did not check any other events for new teams.

BAE 1:58 213 836 1247 1289 1307 1749 1824 3323 3467
BAE 2:213 509 1247 1289 1749 1824 3323 3467
Traverse 1:66 835 1076 1896 2000 2959 3639 3688 3767 3771 3772
Traverse 2:66 830 835 857 1076 2959 3767 3771 3772
FLR 1:145, 639, 1405 1585 2053 3799 3838 3842
FLR 2:639 1585 3015 3799 3838 3842
Kettering 1: 1 51 326 468 470 573 703 1701 3322 3398 3415 3450 3535 3770
Kettering 2:1 51 470 573 1322 1701 3322 3398 3415 3770
New Jersey:219, 623, 1647 2180
Alamo 1:2745 3366, 3529, 3582 3583 3778 3808 3820 3834
Alamo 2:2843 3029 3529 3582 3583 3778 3808 3820 3834
San Diego:1372 2090 2839 3480 3749 3894
Kansas City:1802 1847 2001 2164 2357
WPI 1:-
WPI 2:121 1884 3780
Lake Superior 1:2840 3829 3846
Lake Superior 2:2175 2846 3754 3829 3840 3846
Florida:3410 3850

[Karibou]

Kettering 2
573 for 314
3

Traverse City 2
66 for 1596
1

(sorry if I'm doing something wrong - I've been trying to follow the waiver discussion/process, but it's a struggle)

[Chris is me]

At this point because of all the Michigan shuffling I'm honestly in favor of redrafting.

[Basel A]

At this point because of all the Michigan shuffling I'm honestly in favor of redrafting.

I had my concerns about drafting so early in the year. I can't imagine the waiver process is going to become any less hectic, with teams still being added to lists. At this point there may not be a better solution than just going on with it, but it should probably be taken into consideration for following years.

[EricH]

So far, we've only done 2 MI events. The rest should have full team lists, sans the odd late-registering rookie.

[Chris is me]

So far, we've only done 2 MI events. The rest should have full team lists, sans the odd late-registering rookie.

So redrafting wouldn't be so bad huh :P

[ATannahill]

I think a redraft is in order.

[EricH]

That, plus http://www.chiefdelphi.com/forums/showpost.php?p=984696&postcount=183


Redraft Kettering/Traverse, and draft the new event once it shows up on FIRST.

[ATannahill]

That, plus http://www.chiefdelphi.com/forums/showpost.php?p=984696&postcount=183


Redraft Kettering/Traverse, and draft the new event once it shows up on FIRST.

Redrafts should be an expected possibility if we start drafts before the closing date for registration.

[EricH]

Redrafts should be an expected possibility if we start drafts before the closing date for registration.
Normally it's not this bad, though. I think it's because MI shuffles the teams later, so this happens. Scheduling note for next year: MI goes after mid-December...

[Chris is me]

Normally it's not this bad, though. I think it's because MI shuffles the teams later, so this happens. Scheduling note for next year: MI goes after mid-December...

This is also nice because MI districts have deeper fields (and smaller capacities) than other regionals, so putting them at the end makes the usual early-draft droppers a non-factor.

[Vikesrock]

If Traverse and Kettering are being redrafted I believe it would be appropriate to adjust the list as follows:

1. Karibou
2. fireyoshi
3. Basel A
4. James1902
5. Tim Delles
6. Josh Fox
7. Koko Ed
8. dodar
9. Bethany Mc.
10. Chris is me
11. Vikesrock
12. Barry Bonzack
13. EricH
14. rtfgnow

[ATannahill]

Thank you Kevin. I would agree.

[Vikesrock]

I just noticed both Tim and Barry posted requests for 121 in WPI 2. Both are in WPI 1, where 121 was on waivers at the time of the posts and came off last Sunday. Tim had/has the higher priority so I have sent him a PM asking which team he would like to drop to process the claim.

[ATannahill]

Whoops, didn't check for that. From now on, please include the draft effected when requesting waviers.

[Vikesrock]

Whoops, didn't check for that. From now on, please include the draft effected when requesting waviers.

They both did, they just both posted the wrong tier. It got even weirder for you because 121 was on waiver in both tiers, coming off last week in WPI 1 and this week in WPI 2.

[Koko Ed]

Request from BAE Tier 1
Team 20 for 69

2

[Chris is me]

1547 in NJ (over last pick, 4)

[Chris is me]

525 GKC (over last pick, 10)

[Chris is me]

3499 over 1991, WPI, 9

[Tim Delles]

Hey,

My team was for 3205 for 121 (on waiver)... sorry i thought I had posted that. for the WPI tier 2 ff regional.

[ATannahill]

With the drop of fireyoshi, these teams are now on waivers until the 19th.

BAE 1: 20 241 176
FLR 1: 174 1551 3173
New Jersey: 1547 3757 1382
Alamo 2:148 3478 3417
San Diego: 1540 3476 3021
Kansas City: 525 662 937
WPI 2: 3499 1735 3044
Lake Superior 2: 2512 2518 3054
Florida: 3622 2556 1027
Wisconsin: 537 81 2830
Pittsburgh 1:291 3504 1743
New York: 870 1796 1811
Isreal: 2217 2672 3388
Arizona: 1212 1828 3577
Sacramento 1: 2551 3495 2073
Chesapeake: 316 433 2912
Boilermaker 2: 447 1760 3814

Please remember to include
a. team wanted,
b. team dropping,
c. rank 1-10, AND
d. draft and tier

[Basel A]

Alamo 2
Want 148
Drop 1429
1

[Vikesrock]

Also from processing the errant 121 claims from last week:

WPI Tier 1 - 3205

And the current priority list:

1. Karibou
2.. Basel A
3. James1902
4. Josh Fox
5. Koko Ed
6. dodar
7. Bethany Mc.
8. Chris is me
9. Vikesrock
10. Tim Delles
11. Barry Bonzack
12. EricH
13. rtfgnow

[Chris is me]

Sacramento 1 - 841 for 3495 (7)

[Barry Bonzack]

With the drop of fireyoshi, these teams are now on waivers until the 19th.


Chesapeake: 316 433 2912


Please remember to include
a. team wanted,
b. team dropping,
c. rank 1-10, AND
d. draft and tier

433 isn't registered for Chesapeake. Do you mean 422?




Here are my waivers request this week, sorted by priority

Alamo 2
Get 148 Drop 3725

San D
Get 1540 Drop 2984

Kansas City
Get 525 Drop 1785

New York
Get 870 drop 369

Wisconsin
Get 537 drop 2704

Kansas City
Get 662 Drop 1772

San D
Get 2839 Drop 2485

Lake Sup
Get 2512 drop 3740

Pittsburgh
get 291 drop 2051

Israel
Get 2672 drop 3766

[EricH]

433 isn't registered for Chesapeake. Do you mean 422?
Yep, I'm pretty sure he does.

[ATannahill]

Results:

Barry Bonzack gets 2839
EricH gets 121 3366 2780
rtfgnow gets 2090 3410

1. Karibou
2.. Basel A
3. James1902
4. Josh Fox
5. Koko Ed
6. dodar
7. Bethany Mc.
8. Chris is me
9. Vikesrock
10. Tim Delles
11. Barry Bonzack
12. rtfgnow
13. EricH

[ATannahill]

BAE 1: 20 241 176
FLR 1: 174 1551 3173
New Jersey: 1547 3757 1382
Alamo 1:3305
Alamo 2:148 3478 3417
San Diego: 1540 2029 2485 3476 3021
Kansas City: 525 662 937
WPI 2:467 1735 3044 3280 3499
Lake Superior 2: 2512 2518 3054
Florida:21 3622 2556 1027
Wisconsin: 537 81 2830
Pittsburgh 1:291 3504 1743
New York: 870 1796 1811
Isreal: 2217 2672 3388
Arizona: 1212 1828 3577
Sacramento 1: 2551 3495 2073
Chesapeake: 316 433 2912
Boilermaker 2: 447 1760 3814

Updated. All threads are up to date.

[ATannahill]

I reiterate, post the draft and tier.

[ATannahill]

Lake Sup
Get 2512 drop 3740




This request is invalid because you are in the wrong tier.

[ATannahill]

Sacramento 1 - 841 for 3495 (7)

Neither of those teams are on waivers.

[Chris is me]

uh


Sacramento 1: 2551 3495 2073

pretty sure that means 3495 is on waivers no

it also says they're on waivers in the thread...

[ATannahill]

uh



pretty sure that means 3495 is on waivers no

it also says they're on waivers in the thread...

You sir, were correct.

[dodar]

968 6 for my 3rd pick in SD

[Vikesrock]

Alex, I have some free time so I'm going to go ahead and track down all of James1902's tiers and teams and update those threads, then post a full updated list of teams on waivers here.

[ATannahill]

Thank you, Tuesdays and Thursdays are wild on me.

[Basel A]

San Diego
Want 968
Drop 1572
6

[Basel A]

FLR 1
Want 340
Drop 229
7

[Chris is me]

SD 968 for 3470, 9

[dodar]

1114 1 for my 3rd pick

[Vikesrock]

Here is an updated list of teams on waivers until 12/19.

There are a lot of teams on waivers this week and many players will have a whole bunch of waiver requests, if you want to make sure that all of them get in and in the order you like, I would recommend compiling them all into one list in the order you would want them processed. This is not required (unless Alex decides it is), but it is a good way to make sure all your requests end up in the order you wanted.

BAE 1: 133 172 176 241 319
FLR 1: 174 340 1126 1551 3157 3173
New Jersey: 486 1382 1547 2265 2607 3757
Alamo 1:922 1642 3305 3631
Alamo 2:148 3478 3417
San Diego: 599 968 1540 2029 2485 3021 3476 3477
Kansas City: 525 662 937 1098 1706 1827
WPI 1: 228 1687 3125 3205
WPI 2:467 1735 3044 3280 3499
Lake Superior 1: 2470 2512 2518
Lake Superior 2: 2512 2518 3054
Florida:21 665 1027 2556 3556 3622 3790
Wisconsin: Wisconsin: 81 537 868 2830 3362 3418
Pittsburgh 1:291 3504 1743
Pittsburgh 2: 771 1114 2051
New York:870 1230 1257 1796 1811 2265
Israel: 1577 1942 1943 2217 2672 3388
Arizona: 60 1212 1798 1828 2657 3577
Sacramento 1: 2551 3495 2073
Sacramento 2: 2085 2204 2551
Chesapeake: 316 422 686 1111 1195 2912
Boilermaker 2: 447 1555 1741 1760 2040 3814
Peachtree: 442 1795 1999
Traverse 1: 2145 2586 3458

[Basel A]

In Israel* (not Isreal... but w/e), I believe you mean 1943? I knew there were a lot of rookies teams this year, but..

[Vikesrock]

In Israel* (not Isreal... but w/e), I believe you mean 1943? I knew there were a lot of rookies teams this year, but..

Haha, yes thank you, fixed.

[EricH]

There are a lot of teams on waivers this week and many players will have a whole bunch of waiver requests, if you want to make sure that all of them get in and in the order you like, I would recommend compiling them all into one list in the order you would want them processed. This is not required (unless Alex decides it is), but it is a good way to make sure all your requests end up in the order you wanted.

I recommend that, too. Then you can just update the list. I've also added some special instructions to particular teams/ trades, and a list makes it much easier to do that. (BTW, Alex, if you don't understand the requests, let me know and I'll try to explain better.) In order may not be fully required, but it's highly recommended.

I also send in via PM so that nobody other than Alex and myself knows which (or how many) dark horses I'm trying to claim this time around, what order they're in, and which halfway decent teams someone else might want.

[ATannahill]

I am usually someone that has trouble admitting that they have a big job to do but $@*! thats a lot to go through. Theres already more than 40 waiver requests in without considering the teams James dropped. I am still able to do it but I want to throw out some ideas for simplifying it.

Maybe when a player is dropped their teams go on waiver for 24/48 hours and not the regular until Sunday deal.

Another idea is we go back to the mad rush at a prescribed time. i.e. John's teams may be picked up starting at 7 pm Tuesday.

What is your input?

Edit: Please don't not send in a request because of this post. I still want people to be able to get the teams they want.

[ATannahill]

1114 1 for my 3rd pick
Where?

Also please put the team number for your third pick.

[EricH]

Hopefully nobody else drops out; I don't think anybody will at this point. I think that's what triggered the mass avalanche.

A shortened player drop/boot period is probably a good idea; maybe have an extra day or two in the week where drop/boot waivers are processed (say, Wednesday or Tuesday/Friday). All other waivers would be processed as normal.

The mad rush is just too crazy to have any control on. I guarantee you I know what would happen in Pittsburgh 2 if we did that: Everybody in that tier would be waiting for the time to roll around and then whoever had the itchy trigger finger would win. But whoever's dealing with the fallout would have to sort through the 5 posts with the same timestamp.

It might also work to start the processing early, but not announce it. A preliminary sort of who's likely to get what team would make life easier on you.

[dodar]

Where?

Also please put the team number for your third pick.

Pitt-1114-1-2641

[Chris is me]

The mad rush is just too crazy to have any control on. I guarantee you I know what would happen in Pittsburgh 2 if we did that: Everybody in that tier would be waiting for the time to roll around and then whoever had the itchy trigger finger would win. But whoever's dealing with the fallout would have to sort through the 5 posts with the same timestamp.

I thought the entire point of the waiver system is that the order of the waiver posts does not matter at all.

[EricH]

I thought the entire point of the waiver system is that the order of the waiver posts does not matter at all.
The suggestion was to go back to the mad rush for picks, but at a given time. Trust me, I've been known to have a post written and waiting for the "X has been kicked out." post so all I had to do was click "Submit Reply" and I had that good team. The waiver system was implemented so that that didn't happen any more. Now it doesn't matter if you get it in right after the person drops or right before the waiver closes.

[Vikesrock]

Alex, I would be glad to take the Waiver Wire off your hands if you would like. If you want to hand it off just post here so people know who to send future request to and PM or email me whatever you have so far.

Personally, I have no problem with the mad dash, I've gotten way more than my fair share of great teams that way. I thought this may be a way to give more people a crack at some of the good teams that become available so people don't feel they have to check in every single night (provided they sent lists).

At the end of the drafting season we should definitely review this system and see if it should be kept, changed or scrapped.

[ATannahill]

I'm fine with keeping the system (I'm all caught up). I am also keeping records so we can review it afterwards.

I think I am one of the people that over profited from the mad dashes. While I was depressed to see the waiver suggestion, I do think it is fairer.

Eric I have had the results ready on Sunday and sometimes Saturday. The problem with that is when people change a pick or their priorities. I usually won't do it until I am sure no one is getting kicked before Friday. Most of the madness has probably come down now.

[Barry Bonzack]

way of making it simpler: no special instructions allowed

Example, your list has the following teams ranked
1
2
3
4
5


Currently your list looks like this

JVN...1....4...5

Both 2 and 3 are on waivers

Special instructions "I want 2 to replace 4, and 3 to replace 5. If I don't get 3, then I'd just like 2 to just replace 5. If I don't get 2, then I want 3 to replace 5."

Make you waiver picks one line, no if-then statements.



Suggestion 2: All Posts most be made in the Waivers thread, no PMs. This should reduce the number of posts to only the ones people really feel they need to make. Choose wisely, because you are alerting all others you think X team is worth your time.


While I don't feel drafts should be frozen immediately, I think we should use mechanisms that curb the urge to want free agents. As I have said before, I also dislike the madrush system. While I have had success at this method, I don't feel FF should be an every day game, but a game to do when you have time during the week.

[EricH]

Make you waiver picks one line, no if-then statements.



Suggestion 2: All Posts most be made in the Waivers thread, no PMs. This should reduce the number of posts to only the ones people really feel they need to make. Choose wisely, because you are alerting all others you think X team is worth your time.

On the no special instructions, there are times when they are necessary. For example, I'm trying to replace one of my teams with either of two teams from waivers, so I specify that only one is to be done. But keep them to a minimum; i.e., you want any of 5 teams to replace any of 2 teams, so you specify that...but your 1-1 trades, don't bother.

Or, the following format, if you're trying to add/drop multiple teams from a tier:
Add: X, Y, Z (in priority order)
Drop: A, B, C (also in priority order).

Open posts would also cut down on requests--if someone is higher on the list than you are, then there's a good chance you won't get team X that they put a claim in for unless they pick up team Y first. But you also want team Y... insert confusion here.

The other factor is that if you think X is worth your time, someone else might try to take them from you by putting in a claim. That's their prerogative--but if they do it right, they can box you out of a lot of potential points. I can see a way to box the entire draft out of a good team by using a sleeper/dark horse team as a foil. If open posting was mandated, I'd also suggest moving up draft lock times to waiver processing times because of that method.

[Chris is me]

WPI just gained 40, 190, 195, and some other teams I missed.

[EricH]

Motion to deal with the drops this waiver window and the adds in either the next window or mid week, once that dust settles a bit.

[ATannahill]

Chris I am working on updating the waiver lists please wait on requests. I try to update it each Friday night.

I will also post teams that drop events but they can wait to be processed tomorrow.

[ATannahill]

BAE 1: 133 172 176 241 319
FLR 1: 174 340 1126 1551 3157 3173
New Jersey: 486 1382 1547 2265 2607 3757 3864
Alamo 1:922 1642 2880 3305 3631
Alamo 2:148 2880 3478 3417
San Diego: 599 968 1540 2029 2485 3021 3476 3477
Kansas City: 525 662 937 1098 1706 1827
WPI 1: 228 1687 3125 3205
WPI 2:467 1735 3044 3280 3499
Lake Superior 1: 2227 2470 2512 2518
Lake Superior 2: 2227 2512 2518 3054
Florida:21 665 945 1027 2556 3556 3622 3790 3854 3873
Wisconsin: Wisconsin: 81 537 868 2830 3362 3418
Pittsburgh 1: 48 291 337 1249 3138 3504 1743
Pittsburgh 2: 48 337 771 1114 1249 2051 3138
New York:870 1230 1257 1796 1811 2265
Israel: 1577 1942 1943 2217 2672 3388
Arizona: 60 1212 1798 1828 2657 3577
Sacramento 1: 2551 3495 2073
Sacramento 2: 2085 2204 2551
Chesapeake: 316 422 686 1111 1195 2912
Boilermaker 2: 447 1555 1741 1760 2040 3814
Peachtree: 442 1795 1999
Traverse 1: 2145 2586 3458
Kettering 1 and 2: 1188

I added in the teams that have joined.

573 left Kettering.
3834 left Alamo.
2334 left GKC.
1038 left Wisconsin.

I only got up to Arizona (by draft date) (including Traverse and Kettering) and I did not get WPI. I will try to get back to it later tonight.

We will go through the lists again tomorrow.

[EricH]

That'll affect Tim Delles in GKC and me in Wisconsin.

Waiver change for Wisconsin for me: drop team becomes 1038 (absent), same add team.

[Vikesrock]

Suggestion 2: All Posts most be made in the Waivers thread, no PMs. This should reduce the number of posts to only the ones people really feel they need to make. Choose wisely, because you are alerting all others you think X team is worth your time.


I'm not sure this will help much. The primary driver behind not waivering every single team that's marginally better is moving down the list. The person with the most waiver claims each week ends up on the bottom of the list for the next week.

All requiring the posts to be public will do is make it so a bunch of people wait until the very last minute to post their requests.

[Vikesrock]

I added in the teams that have joined.


I second Eric's motion to wait. At least 2 of these lists changed after you went through. 254 and probably others have been added to San Diego and 16 + others in Alamo. Many of the teams that were on waitlists are quite good and you are probably going to end up with claims equal to or greater than dropping another player.

[ATannahill]

In the rare case of special instructions, pm me so I can reply if I need clarification. Otherwise all submissions have been fine.

[ATannahill]

I second Eric's motion to wait. At least 2 of these lists changed after you went through. 254 and probably others have been added to San Diego and 16 + others in Alamo. Many of the teams that were on waitlists are quite good and you are probably going to end up with claims equal to or greater than dropping another player.
I edited the post. We might want to rerun WPI, San Diego and/or Alamo.

[Chris is me]

I think next year we should start the drafting around December 15th.

[ATannahill]

Chris, the problem is the number of events. Your talking about 50 events in less than a month with two holidays.

It is fine to start around December 1st if we realize that redrafts might be required.

[EricH]

I'll say this: anything more than 2 drafts per day will be draining on everybody. Is it doable? Yes. Is it practical? No. With 50 events, that's 25 days-no redrafts, no "slack days", no breaks except for holidays. Anything during build season is not practical for other reasons.

However: The big "culprits" are MI events. Lots of good teams, lots of late shuffling. If the MI events, and the double regionals, are all drafted after 12/15 or the appropriate date next year, then I'd estimate 50% of the problem is gone right there.

The other option, which we might have to do eventually, is 3 drafts per day. If there is a rerun needed, and I can have a clear schedule, we could try that for one day, and one day only. In that case, I'd use the latest list I had, whether it was the original or a revised one.

[Basel A]

Not that I'm suggesting it, but we really do have the personnel to do 4 or even 5 (I can run a draft) drafts at the same time.. Ridiculously confusing? Yes. Doable? Quite.

[EricH]

Not that I'm suggesting it, but we really do have the personnel to do 4 or even 5 (I can run a draft) drafts at the same time.. Ridiculously confusing? Yes. Doable? Quite.
It's not the runners I'm particularly worried about, especially with the program we've got. We've got 4 regulars and a couple of others who have run drafts, so we could in a pinch run 4-6 drafts if we had to.

It's the folks submitting the lists. The last time I floated pulling a 3-a-day, there were complaints about it being too much pressure or something like that. Doing that for 3-4 weeks in a row could be a lot of pressure, especially if the draft runners don't get a day off and need to skip a day or two. That's why I'm suggesting a trial 3-a-day for a rerun--if it works out well, great, if not, we know that we can't do that.

[ATannahill]

Along with MI and double events, we need to watch out for places like Washington or Texas that keep their team list hidden because of grants.

[Vikesrock]

Just realized I lopped 20 off the last list I posted in this thread for BAE Tier 1. It should be:

BAE Tier 1: 20 133 172 176 241 319

They were on the previous list from Alex and posted in the list in the tier so they should still be able to be processed this week I think.

[EricH]

So who are the waiver winners from last week's set?

[Karibou]

It's the folks submitting the lists. The last time I floated pulling a 3-a-day, there were complaints about it being too much pressure or something like that.

I definitely can't speak for everyone, but I would not participate in the future if it was 3-a-day. I don't have 3 hours a day to spend making lists, and I'm sure that the current college kids don't have time either (not to mention that I'm already wondering how I'm going to get 12 lists done before the 26th, when I leave to go visit family for 3 days).

[ATannahill]

So who are the waiver winners from last week's set?

I had to rerun it after someone changed their picks on Sunday, I will post it tonight or tomorrow.

[ATannahill]

1. Karibou
2. Josh Fox
3. Bethany Mc.
4. Tim Delles
5. Koko Ed
6. dodar
7. Basel A
8. Chris is me
9. Vikesrock
10. Barry Bonzack
11. EricH
12. rtfgnow

Basel A
148 for 1429 at Alamo 2
340 for 229 at FLR 1

Koko Ed
20 for 69 at BAE 1

dodar
1114 for 2641 Pittsburgh

Chris is me
1547 for 2495 at New jersey
3495 for 841 at Sacramento 1
3499 for 1991 at WPI 2

Vikesrock
968 for 3226 at San Diego
870 for 810 at New York
1577 for 3774 at Israel
291 for 3193 at Pittsburg 1

Barry Bonzack
1540 for 2984 at San Diego
537 for 2704 at Wisconsin
662 for 1772 at Kansas City
2485 for 2839 at San Diego

rtfgnow
525 for 1710 at Kansas City
868 for 2702 at Wisconsin
2265 for 3004 at New York
422 for 1895 at Cheasapeake
1828 for 498 at Arizona
2672 for 2212 in Israel
1741 for 2856 at Boilermaker
922 for 3679 at Alamo 1
442 for 1127 at Peachtree
228 for 2370 at WPI 1
2518 for 2470 at Lake Superior 2
2512 for 2538 at Lake Superior 2
1098 for 1810 at Kansas City

EricH
60 for 1290 at Arizona
1798 for 2840 at Arizona
1706 for 1982 at Kansas City
2672 for 1573 at Israel
1735 for 3780 at WPI 2
1212 for 3158 at Arizona

Dave Lavery
Your sanity for a vague comment in the game hint thread

[Vikesrock]

Nice work Alex! I have about 4 hours to kill in an airport so I can go through and check teamlists for the events we have drafted and put up new/missing teams.

[ATannahill]

Thanks, looks like I'm taking Ann Arbor tonight.

[Vikesrock]

You and Eric both "won" 2672 in Israel

[Vikesrock]

The following players are missing teams:
Dodar missing 3162 in FLR 1
Tim Delles 2334 missing in Kansas City
Barry Bonzack 548 in West Michigan 2
Bethany Mc 548 in West Michigan 1


And the teams on waivers:
BAE 1: 69 1073 1517 1519 1772
BAE 2: 1073 1517 1519 1772
FLR 1: 229
NJ: 41 824 1230 1880 2495 3059 3864
Alamo 1: 16 57 245 1296 1477 2789 2848 2880 2936 2969 3679
Alamo 2: 16 57 245 1296 1429 1477 2789 2848 2880 2936 2969
San Diego: 254 585 589 687 702 980 981 1160 2339 2839 2984 3226 3794 3849
Kansas City: 1710 1777 1982 3798
WPI 1: 40 190 195 358 1100 2370 2877
WPI 2: 40 190 195 358 1100 1991 2877 3780
Lake Superior 1: 2227 3839 3840
Lake Superior 2: 2227 2470 2538 3839 3840
Florida: 945 1604 3242 3410 3854 3873
Wisconsin: 2702 2704
Pittsburgh 1: 48 337 1038 1249 2641 3138
Pittsburgh 2: 48 337 1038 1249 3138 3193
New York City: 810
Israel: 3774 Skipped update due to unresolved claims for 2672
Arizona: 498 1290 2840 3158
Sacramento 1: 100 295 604 675 692 701 841 3482 3859 3866
Sacramento 2: 100 295 604 675 692 701 3482 3859 3866
Chesapeake: 204 225 1095 1895
Boilermaker 1: 45 3865
Boilermaker 2: 45 2856 3865
Peachtree: 1127 3874
Kettering 1: 1188
Kettering 2: 1188
Oklahoma: 935 3355
Detroit 1: 2620
Detroit 2: 2620
Lonestar: 118 231 418 653 1429 2583
West Michigan: 1254 1711 3875

[ATannahill]

You and Eric both "won" 2672 in Israel

He should have them.

[Chris is me]

Redfrating Alamo, SD, WPI, and Pittsburgh look like absolute no brainers. I'd be happy to do 1 per night if others think a redraft is fair.

[ATannahill]

Not sure about WPI but I would include Sacramento.

[EricH]

Not sure about WPI but I would include Sacramento.
Alex, when you get the dilemma I have (i.e., 3 really good teams for one good team), I think it's time for a redraft.

[ATannahill]

Alex, when you get the dilemma I have (i.e., 3 really good teams for one good team), I think it's time for a redraft.
Fair argument.

[Chris is me]

Meant to include Sacramento.

I just listed every event with >= 3 obviously good teams.

[Vikesrock]

I'm fine with any number of redrafts as long as we adjust the waiver priority list accordingly.

I will note that we shouldn't necessarily feel compelled to redraft any events. In previous years the same adds and drops occured and the teams were awarded to whoever noticed them soonest, so we're "more fair" than that regardless of what we do.

[Koko Ed]

Sacramento Tier 2
3615 for 100
2

[Chris is me]

Waivers assuming redraft goes through:

BAE 2 - 1519 for 3566
2

Boilermaker - 45 over 292
1

Oklahoma - 935 for 1561
3

[Basel A]

FLR T1
Want 229
Drop 1640
7

San Diego
Want 254
Drop 1572
1

Alamo T2
Want 16
Drop 1642
2

Alamo T2
Want 245
Drop 1642
3

If Alamo and SD are redrafted, obviously these are bunk. lol
Let us know soon though, because I'm leaving on Saturday for a week and want to have all my lists in order..

[ATannahill]

After going through everything, these are the events that I am eyeing at least three waiver teams.

BAE
Alamo
San Diego
Pittsburgh
Sacramento
Lone Star

I also understand the want for WPI.

[Chris is me]

BAE is a player drop event so only one tier has the big disparity I think... For simplicity sake I left it out of the proposal in the main thread.

The other events have many many teams in them. WPI's three teams are 40, 190, and 195 among others

[ATannahill]

Excluding my requests, these are the events with the most requests after about a day.

Lone Star (4)
San Diego (3)
WPI 2 (3)
Oklahoma, Alamo 1, Alamo 2, Boilermaker 1 and Pittsburgh 2 each have 2.

[EricH]

For redraft, let's plan on the top 3 for now (24th, 26th, and some other day, possibly 31st or 1st) and do the rest if they get up there.

[Chris is me]

If you want me to go ahead and request 48, 1038, and 3138 for Pittsburgh I can go do that to push that count up, but considering all of these teams were Finalists or better last year and one of them made it to Einstein i wouldn't say it's unreasonable to include that.

Only reason I didn't request was because I thought we were redrafting...

[Chris is me]

Heads up that Alamo, SD, Sacramento, and Dallas are not being redrafted.

[ATannahill]

Heads up that Alamo, SD, Sacramento, and Dallas are not being redrafted.
Do people think these events should be included tonight or next week since we never official announced a redraft?

[Chris is me]

I can't see the potential harm in waiting another week for those specific waivers. I'd prefer it this way but if I'm the only one I'll hustle and get 'em all in...

[Barry Bonzack]

my vote goes whatever direction alex thinks, since most of the burden lies on him.

[EricH]

Do people think these events should be included tonight or next week since we never official announced a redraft?
I'm with Barry.

Note that they're all over the minimum time, but I'm sure some folks wouldn't mind an extra day or two. The events mentioned in the Registration thread all have yet to be drafted, so I don't think there are too many teams out there for waiver.

[Barry Bonzack]

In order by priority


Lone Star
Get 118 drop 3696

Alamo Tier 2
Get 16 drop 3725.

Boilermaker Tier 1
Get 45 drop 1756

San Diego
Get 254 drop 2984

Oklahoma
Get 935 drop 3463

Lone Star
Get 418 drop 3526

BAE Tier 1
Get 1519 drop 238


Alamo Tier 2
Get 57 or 245, drop 2468.


Sacramento Tier 1
get 604 or 100 respectively drop 1458

San Diego
(if I don't get 254) 687 or 585 respectively for 2984

West Michigan
Pick up 1254 or 1711 respectively for my empty slot

Sacramento Tier 1
Get 100 or 675 respectively drop 1569


Sand Diego
(if I don't get 254, 687, or 585) Get 980 drop 2984

Lone Star
(If I don't get 118) Get 231 drop 3696


Florida
Get 945 drop 2757

[ATannahill]

Those events will be postponed until 11:59 Wednesday. I reserve the right to change that decision once anesthia has worn off.

Speaking of which, results will probably be held until tomorrow.

[ATannahill]

To clarify, when Chris said Dallas, he actually meant Lone Star.

[ATannahill]

Please proofread for any typos or mistakes.

1. Karibou
2. Josh Fox
3. Bethany Mc.
4. Tim Delles
5. Koko Ed
6. dodar
7. Barry Bonzack
8. Basel A
9. EricH
10. Chris is me
11. Vikesrock
12. rtfgnow

Basel A
229 for 1640 at FLR 1

Chris is me
45 for 292 at Boilermaker 1
1519 for 3566 at BAE 2

EricH
1519 for 131 at BAE 1

rtfgnow
935 for 2333 at Oklahoma
1517 for 3074 at BAE 2
3158 for 1828 at Arizona
945 for 1523 at Florida
1254 for 288 at West Michigan 1

Vikesrock
35 for 538 at Boilermaker
1073 for 3585 at BAE 2
1710 for 3764 at Kansas City

[ATannahill]

Waiver until 29th

Alamo 1: 16 57 245 1296 1477 2789 2848 2880 2936 2969 3679
Alamo 2: 16 57 245 1296 1429 1477 2789 2848 2880 2936 2969
San Diego: 254 585 589 687 702 980 981 1160 2339 2839 2984 3226 3794 3849
Sacramento 1: 100 295 604 675 692 701 841 3482 3859 3866
Sacramento 2: 100 295 604 675 692 701 3482 3859 3866
Lonestar: 118 231 418 653 1429 2583

[ATannahill]

Waivers until 1/2:

WPI 1: 1100
FLR 1: 1640
Arizona: 1828
BAE 1: 131
BAE 2: 3074 3566 3585
Boilermaker 1: 292
Boilermaker 2: 538
Florida: 1523
Kansas City: 3764
Oklahoma: 2333
West Michigan 1: 288

[Koko Ed]

Do people think these events should be included tonight or next week since we never official announced a redraft?

There will be no more re-drafts.
My decision is final.

[ATannahill]

Waiver until 29th

Alamo 1: 16 57 245 647 1296 1477 2789 2848 2880 2936 2969 3679
Alamo 2: 16 57 245 647 1296 1429 1477 2789 2848 2880 2936 2969
San Diego: 254 585 589 687 702 980 981 1160 2339 2839 2984 3226 3794 3849
Sacramento 1: 100 295 604 675 692 701 841 1351 3482 3859 3866
Sacramento 2: 100 295 604 675 692 701 1351 3482 3859 3866
Lonestar: 118 231 418 653 1429 2583

New teams surfaced.

[ATannahill]

There will be no more re-drafts.
My decision is final.
I understand Ed. I was meaning when should the waivers requests be analyzed. I didn't want to do it too early since the decision was made over the weekend even though the teams were already announced.

[Josh Fox]

San Diego
254 for 3486
1

Alamo Tier 2
16 for 2841
2

Sacramento Tier 2
100 for 3296
3

San Diego
980 for 2493
4


Arranged from highest priority to lowest.

If I have these in the wrong format let me know, I still don't fully understand the whole "waiver" thing.

[ATannahill]

1. Karibou
2. Bethany Mc.
3. Tim Delles
4. dodar
5. Chris is me
6. Koko Ed
7. Basel A
8. Josh Fox
9. EricH
10. Vikesrock
11. Barry Bonzack
12. rtfgnow

Josh Fox
254 for 3486 in San Diego
980 for 2493 in San Diego

Barry Bonzack
118 for 3696 in Lone Star
57 for 2468 in Alamo 2
687 for 2984 in San Diego
675 for 1569 in Sacramento 1

Basel A
16 for 1642 in Alamo 2

EricH
1429 for 434 in Lone Star
100 for 3189 in Sacramento 1
231 for 1801 in Lone Star
16 for 3366 in Alamo 1

Vikesrock
1477 for 2721 in Alamo 2
245 for 3028 in Alamo 2

rtfgnow
418 for 2582 in Lone Star
1477 for 2158 in Alamo 1
585 for 1388 in San Diego
675 for 1569 in Sacramento 2
647 for 922 in Alamo 1

[ATannahill]

Barry Bonzack
687 for 2984 in San Diego

Chose a team you actually have. If you don't do this by Friday, I will.

[ATannahill]

Waivers until 1/2:

WPI 1: 1100
FLR 1: 1640
Arizona: 1828
BAE 1: 131
BAE 2: 3074 3566 3585
Boilermaker 1: 292
Boilermaker 2: 538
Florida: 1523
Kansas City: 3764
Oklahoma: 2333
West Michigan 1: 288
Sacramento 1: 1458 1569 3189
Sacramento 2: 852 1569 3615
Alamo 1: 922 2158 3366
Alamo 2: 1642 2468 2721 3028
San Diego: 1388 2493 3489 and whatever Barry drops.
Lone Star: 434 1801 2582 3696

[EricH]

Waivers until 1/2:

WPI 1: 1100
FLR 1: 1640
Arizona: 1828
BAE 1: 131
BAE 2: 3074 3566 3585
Boilermaker 1: 292
Boilermaker 2: 538
Florida: 1523
Kansas City: 3764
Oklahoma: 2333
West Michigan 1: 288
Sacramento 1: 1458 1569 3189
Sacramento 2: 852 1569 3615
Alamo 1: 922 2158 3366
Alamo 2: 1642 2468 2721 3028
San Diego: 1388 2493 3489 and whatever Barry drops.
Lone Star: 434 1801 2582 3696
GTR East 1: 3040

[ATannahill]

Waivers until 1/2:

WPI 1: 1100
FLR 1: 1640
Arizona: 1828
BAE 1: 131
BAE 2: 3074 3566 3585
Boilermaker 1: 292
Boilermaker 2: 538
Florida: 1523
Kansas City: 3764
Oklahoma: 2333
West Michigan 1: 288
Sacramento 1: 1458 1569 3189
Sacramento 2: 852 1569 3615
Alamo 1: 922 2158 3366
Alamo 2: 1642 2468 2721 3028
San Diego: 1388 2493 3489 and whatever Barry drops.
Lone Star: 434 1801 2582 3696
GTR East 1: 3040
10000 Lakes: 2502

[ATannahill]

Waiver until 1/2

WPI 1: 1100 1973
WPI 2: 1973
FLR 1: 1640
Arizona: 1828
BAE 1: 131
BAE 2: 3074 3566 3585
Boilermaker 1: 292 829
Boilermaker 2: 538 829
Florida: 1523
Kansas City: 3764
Oklahoma: 2333
West Michigan 1: 288
Sacramento 1: 114 1072 1323 1458 1569 2144 2489 3189 3256
Sacramento 2: 114 852 1072 1323 1569 2144 2489 3256 3615
Alamo 1: 922 2158 2415 2587 3103 3366
Alamo 2: 1642 2415 2468 2587 2721 3028 3103
San Diego: 294 1388 2493 3489 and whatever Barry drops.
Lone Star: 434 1801 2582 3696
GTR East 1: 3040
10000 Lakes: 2502
Pittsburgh 1 and 2: 2603
NYC: 395
Chesapeake: 1143
Washington DC: 53 233 839 1598 2186 2642 2849 3123 3504
Silicon Valley: 668 691 766 812 852 1458 1516 1538 1662 2141 (That makes 10 new teams)
Connecticut: 78 571 714
North Star: 2512

2531 and 3816 dropped St. Louis.

[ATannahill]

Waiver until 1/2

WPI 1: 1100 1973
WPI 2: 1973
FLR 1: 1640
Arizona: 1828
BAE 1: 131
BAE 2: 3074 3566 3585
Boilermaker 1: 292 829
Boilermaker 2: 538 829
Florida: 1523
Kansas City: 3764
Oklahoma: 2333
West Michigan 1: 288
Sacramento 1: 114 1072 1323 1458 1569 2144 2489 3189 3256
Sacramento 2: 114 852 1072 1323 1569 2144 2489 3256 3615
Alamo 1: 922 2158 2415 2587 3103 3366
Alamo 2: 1642 2415 2468 2587 2721 3028 3103
San Diego: 294 1388 2485 2493 3489
Lone Star: 434 1801 2582 3696
GTR East 1: 3040
10000 Lakes: 2502
Pittsburgh 1 and 2: 2603
NYC: 395
Chesapeake: 1143
Washington DC: 53 233 839 1598 2186 2642 2849 3123 3504
Silicon Valley: 668 691 766 812 852 1458 1516 1538 1662 2141 (That makes 10 new teams)
Connecticut: 78 571 714
North Star: 2512

2531 and 3816 dropped St. Louis.

I removed 2485 from Barry.

[Chris is me]

In priority order
Florida: 1523 for 1543
Silicon Valley: 1538 for 8
San Diego: 294 for 3470
10000 Lakes: 2502 for 2825
Silicon Valley: 668 for 3505
Connecticut: 78 for 237
Sacramento: 1323 for 3495

[ATannahill]

In priority order
Florida: 1523 for 1543
Silicon Valley: 1538 for 8
San Diego: 294 for 3470
10000 Lakes: 2502 for 2825
Silicon Valley: 668 for 3505
Connecticut: 78 for 237
Sacramento: 1323 for 3495
Since you can't seem to remember, you are in tier 1 for Sacramento.

[EricH]

Here's the list of missing teams/owners so far:

dodar: Finger Lakes 1, 3162
Tim Delles: Kansas City, 2334
Barry Bonzack: West MI 2, 548
Bethany Mc.: West MI 1, 548
Vikesrock: St. Louis, 2531

[Josh Fox]

Highest to lowest priority

Washington DC
233 for 623

Silicon Valley
1538 for 3045

Connecticut
78 for 2785

[Basel A]

In order of priority, most to least

Connecticut: 78 for 2836
Silicon Valley: 1538 for 115
San Diego: 294 for 1572

[ATannahill]

Waiver until 1/9:

FLR 1: 156 716

[ATannahill]

Welcome back to school and/or work.

1. Karibou
2. Bethany Mc.
3. Tim Delles
4. dodar
5. Koko Ed
6. Barry Bonzack
7. Basel A
8. Josh Fox
9. EricH
10. Vikesrock
11. Chris is me
12. rtfgnow

Chris is me
1523 for 1543 at Florida
2502 for 2825 at 10000 Lakes
668 for 3505 at Silicon Valley
1323 for 3495 at Sacramento 1

Basel A
78 for 2836 at Connecticut

Josh Fox
233 for 623 at Washington

EricH
294 for 3128 at San Diego
1388 for 2348 at San Diego
1458 for 3501 at Silicon Valley

Vikesrock
1538 for 692 at Silicon Valley
2415 for 231 at Alamo 2
571 for 3141 at Connecticut

rtfgnow
3123 for 2590 at Washington
3103 for 1477 at Alamo 1
2152 for 2129 at North Star
3256 for 2035 at Sacramento 2

[ATannahill]

Waiver until 1/9:

FLR 1: 156 716
10000 Lakes: 2825
Alamo 1: 1477
Alamo 2: 231
Connecticut: 2836 3141
Florida: 1543
North Star: 2129
Sacramento 1: 3495
Sacramento 2: 2035
San Diego: 2348 3128
Silicon Valley: 3505 3501 692
Washington: 623 2590

[ATannahill]

Waiver until 1/9:

FLR 1: 156 716
10000 Lakes: 2825
Alamo 1: 1477
Alamo 2: 231
Connecticut: 2836 3141
Florida: 1543
North Star: 2129
Sacramento 1: 3495
Sacramento 2: 2035
San Diego: 2348 3128
Silicon Valley: 3505 3501 692
Washington: 623 2590
New Jersey: 522
Oklahoma: 3612
Waterloo 1: 1325
Waterloo 2: 1325
Hawaii 1: 1378 3878 3879 3880 3881 3882
Hawaii 2: 1378 3878 3879 3880 3881 3882
North Carolina: 2415
Buckeye: 2350

Updated.

1749 dropped BAE.
3612 dropped Alamo.
568 dropped San Diego.
3850 dropped Florida.
2673 dropped Detroit.
2817 dropped Wisconsin.
78 dropped Connecticut.

[Chris is me]

Alamo 1: 1477 for 2843
CT: 2836 for 237

in order of course

[Basel A]

Updated.

1749 dropped BAE.
3612 dropped Alamo.
568 dropped San Diego.
3850 dropped Florida.
2673 dropped Detroit.
2817 dropped Wisconsin.
78 dropped Connecticut.

Per 78, can we just pretend I never submitted a waiver request, and give me back 2836? Or is that not really the way things go?

If not, then
Connecticut: 2836 for 78

[Chris is me]

I would be fine with that (read: you can ignore my request for the team if you do that)

[ATannahill]

I have an idea I would like to submit. In the case of San Diego and Conneticut, where someone is missing a team and there are teams on wire.

The person missing a team can pull from the pile. Otherwise they can grab a team off of waiver but go to the bottom of the waiver list.

[Basel A]

I have an idea I would like to submit. In the case of San Diego and Conneticut, where someone is missing a team and there are teams on wire.

The person missing a team can pull from the pile. Otherwise they can grab a team off of waiver but go to the bottom of the waiver list.

Not sure if this is the same thing, but why not make it a regular waiver pick, but give priority to players trading away a team that dropped. if it's the same, I could definitely see that as the most reasonable solution.

[EricH]

Not sure if this is the same thing, but why not make it a regular waiver pick, but give priority to players trading away a team that dropped. if it's the same, I could definitely see that as the most reasonable solution.
That's the way originally suggested--players missing teams go higher on the list in those tiers.

[EricH]

Awright, here's the scoop.

Ed is missing 2673 in Detroit.
Basel already noticed 78's absence.
dodar should notice 568's absence from San Diego shortly.

Other than those three and Barry (548, West MI 2), nobody's missing any teams to my knowledge.

They can grab any available team, waiver or no, in that tier. Should that team be on the waiver list, they go to the bottom of the list; otherwise, the list doesn't change. The missing team takes precedence over any waiver claims submitted. Is that fair enough for everyone?

Note: If no claim is made by someone missing a team before waivers are processed, then all waiver claims are valid and will be processed accordingly.

[ATannahill]

Per 78, can we just pretend I never submitted a waiver request, and give me back 2836? Or is that not really the way things go?

If not, then
Connecticut: 2836 for 78
You get 2836 in CT and go to bottom of the waiver list.

[ATannahill]

1. Karibou
2. Bethany Mc.
3. Tim Delles
4. dodar
5. Koko Ed
6. Barry Bonzack
7. Josh Fox
8. EricH
9. Vikesrock
10. Chris is me
11. rtfgnow
12. Basel A

[ATannahill]

1. Karibou
2. Bethany Mc.
3. Tim Delles
4. dodar
5. Koko Ed
6. Barry Bonzack
7. Josh Fox
8. Vikesrock
9. Chris is me
10. Basel A
11. rtfgnow
12. EricH

EricH
1477 for 457 in Alamo 1
522 for 1672 in New Jersey

rtfgnow
2415 for 1539 in North Carolina

[ATannahill]

waivers for 1/16

Alamo 1: 118 457
Alamo 2: 118
Waterford 1: 862 2673
Waterford 2: 862 2673
New Jersey: 1672
North Carolina: 1539
Kansas City: 476
St. Louis 1: 2014
St. Louis 2: 2014
Detroit: 2832
West Michigan: 2245

3123 dropped New Jersey
3631 dropped Alamo
3873 dropped Florida
2834 dropped Waterford
3076 dropped Israel
2038 dropped Peachtree
862 dropped West Michigan

I got up to the Seattle events before the FIRST page broke down on me. I will try again later.

[ATannahill]

More 1/16 waivers.

Washington: 1086
Oregon: 2517
10,000 Lakes: 3883
Troy: 322
Colorado: 499

108 dropped Palmetto.
2245 dropped Niles.
293 dropped Connecticut.
852 dropped Oregon.
3541, 3543, 3590, and 3683 all dropped Toronto East.
1514, 2670 and 3563 dropped Toronto West.
322 dropped Livonia.
225 dropped Philadelphia.

[Chris is me]

DC: 1086 for 2914 top priority

[Vikesrock]

More 1/16 waivers.

10,000 Lakes: 388

I think this should be 3883.

[ATannahill]

I think this should be 3883.
Corrected.

[EricH]

Seattle is getting a large realignment. It may be that GTR is as well, but that's neither here nor there.

It may be reasonable to deal with the realignment differently than standard procedure. Here's what I'm thinking:

Should a player have a team that they would like to keep switch events, they get first claim for that team in the event switched to. If there are two such teams in a player's alliances, one at each event, they may simply be traded between events. If a player doesn't choose to keep a team that switches, they can indicate that and use the missing teams priority (which would be second to the switching events priority).

Thoughts?

[ATannahill]

1. Karibou
2. Bethany Mc.
3. Tim Delles
4. dodar
5. Koko Ed
6. Barry Bonzack
7. Josh Fox
8. Basel A
9. EricH
10. Chris is me
11. Vikesrock
12. rtfgnow

Vikesrock
1086 for 3455 in DC
118 for 245 in Alamo 2

Chris is me
106 for 2914 in DC

rtfgnow
118 for 3103 in Alamo 1
2673 and 862 for 2851 and missing in Waterford
499 for 1799 in Colorado

[ATannahill]

Waiver until 1/23:

Alamo 1: 3103
Alamo 2: 245
Colorado: 1799
Washington DC: 2914 3455
Waterford 1: 2851
Waterford 2: 1596

[EricH]

Vegas: 359 (http://usfirst.org/roboticsprograms/frc/regionalevents.aspx?id=430) added.

(BTW, I'd like them for 2984, first priority, thanks.)

[ATannahill]

I don't feel like going through the event list and finding added teams. Will someone be willing to do this before midnight?

[Vikesrock]

I don't feel like going through the event list and finding added teams. Will someone be willing to do this before midnight?

I can do this sometime in the next 2-3 hours.

[Vikesrock]

I left the Toronto and Seattle events alone for now

Granite State 811 2010
FLR 843 1075 -3840
New Jersey 3419
Alamo -3631 -3834
San Diego 2477 -3126
Greater Kansas City 476 2373 3765 should be 3764
Wisconsin -1268 2481
Detroit -2834 -3098 3605
Sacramento 1323 2473
West Michigan -518
Troy 322
Peachtree 3227
Bayou -3832
St. Louis -2481 3868
Washington 433 1708
Palmetto -1649 3336
Oregon -948
Connecticut 3044
10000 Lakes 3871 3883
Las Vegas 359 1266
Waterford -2832

2834 was listed as missing in Waterford previously but i see them registered there now. 2832 is missing in Waterford and 2834 is not registered in Detroit. Unless anybody objects I would like to get 2834 back in Waterford and I'm sure Alex would like the same.

[ATannahill]

I think Michigan is just changing the team lists like seattle and Toronto are doing. I think it would be fine to undo the results of the move.

[EricH]

Any word on waivers for this past weekend?

Also, Seattle should be ready for the realignment check. Any thoughts on the suggestion I had earlier?

[ATannahill]

1. Karibou
2. Bethany Mc.
3. Tim Delles
4. dodar
5. Koko Ed
6. Barry Bonzack
7. Josh Fox
8. Basel A
9. Chris is me
10. Vikesrock
11. EricH
12. rtfgnow

EricH
359 for 2984 at Las Vegas
433 for 612 at DC

rtfgnow
1266 for 2174 at Las Vegas
2481 for 288 at Wisconsin

I updated my local files. :yikes:

[ATannahill]

Waiver until 1/30:

Las Vegas: 991 2174 2637 2984
DC: 293 612 2077
Wisconsin: 288
New Jersey: 2234
Kansas City: 3784
Lake Superior: 3042
Florida: 3549
St. Louis: 3284
Midwest: 3612
Los Angeles: 3759
Oregon: 3070
Silicon Valley: 2456 3503
Connecticut: 157
Buckeye: 279
Colorado: 2352 2461

1706 and 2359 dropped Kansas City
3589 dropped Florida
279 dropped Wisconsin
1095, 1708 and 2890 dropped Chesapeake
3836 and 3874 dropped Peachtree
3549 dropped Bayou
2014 and 3784 dropped St. Louis
3612 dropped Oklahoma
418 dropped Lone Star
383 left Washington
2648, 3187, 3341 and 3759 left Las Vegas
348 left Smokey Mountain
614 dropped Virginia
499 left Colorado

I expect more drops since payments are due today. I again left Seattle and Greater Toronto alone.

[ATannahill]

Because I didn't have a 3rd team in Colorado, I grabbed 2352 and sent myself to the bottom of the wiaver list.

[ATannahill]

Yeah, I know, I'm worse than Billfred.

1. Karibou
2. Bethany Mc.
3. Tim Delles
4. dodar
5. Koko Ed
6. Barry Bonzack
7. Josh Fox
8. Basel A
9. Chris is me
10. Vikesrock
11. EricH
12. rtfgnow

EricH
279 for 2971 in Buckeye
2461 for 1348 in Colorado

rtfgnow
3284 for 1723 in St. Louis 1

[Chris is me]

After doing the Herculean amount of work it takes to run a full waiver system I think absolutely no one can or will complain about being a little late from now on.

[EricH]

After doing the Herculean amount of work it takes to run a full waiver system I think absolutely no one can or will complain about being a little late from now on.
Agreed.

Also, to make things a bit easier:

Seattle has realigned. Everyone was affected--at least one team switched per person (and for most people, that's one per event). So, here's the plan on that:

If you had a "balanced" switch (i.e., 1 team switched from each event), you will simply get those teams in their new event. For example, Alex had 2 teams go from Olympic to Cascade, and 2 from Cascade to Olympic. Those teams will be traded between events. We'll do that automatically. (Alex, Barry, dodar, Karibou, and Tim, this is you guys.)

If you did not have a "balanced" switch, you get to decide what to do. You can choose not to switch any teams over. You can choose to take all of the switched teams and drop a team you already have. You can choose to take fewer switched teams and go pot luck on waiver picks for missing teams. You make the decision. (If you weren't on the list above, this is you.)

Ed and Chris kept their Olympic alliances intact; Basel did the same for his Cascade alliance. There were a couple of brand-new teams, and a bunch of teams in the pool that traded, but we'll put those up after about a week to give folks time to make their decisions on current teams.

If you want to know which teams you have that switched, shoot Alex or myself a PM. We both have that data.

I'll cross-post this into the Season Long thread for better exposure.

[ATannahill]

waiver until 2/6:
Buckeye: 2971
Colorado: 499 1348
St. Louis 1: 1723
San Diego: 8
Washington DC: 1089
Oregon: 2976
Toronto East: 1514 2609 2670 3563
Toronto West: 3541 3543 3590
Livonia: 68
Dallas: no one really important, just team 148, 752

1772 dropped Israel
2415, 3336 dropped Palmetto
8 dropped Hawaii
3044 dropped Connecticut
399, 473 dropped Las Vegas
2412, 2905 dropped Oregon
2443, 2461 dropped Colorado

[Karibou]

Dallas
148 for 2735, top priority



I feel like I just won the lottery.

[Basel A]

Livonia
Want 68
Drop 3655
Top priority

For Olympic, just give me the highest numbered rookie(s?) after all other waivers have been completed. Can't be bothered to go through and rescout, and I think I may have just randomed through those two anyway.

[EricH]

3216 is on waiver in Cascade.


581, 1359, 2374, 2850 new teams, Cascade
2944, 3237, 3681, 3693, 3825, 3860 switched from Olympic to Cascade

1595, 2907, 2976, 3220, 3223, 3286 switched from Cascade to Olympic
751 is a new team in Olympic.

Leftover teams from the massive shuffling will be dealt with at some other time.

I'm using missing team privilege in Olympic to replace 3216 with 751, and going to the bottom of the list.

1. Karibou
2. Bethany Mc.
3. Tim Delles
4. dodar
5. Koko Ed
6. Barry Bonzack
7. Josh Fox
8. Basel A
9. Chris is me
10. Vikesrock
11. rtfgnow
12. EricH

[Koko Ed]

For Seattle Cascade I am switching 3801 for 3860

Priority: sure.

[EricH]

Waiver until 2/13: Boilermaker 1, 3232.

As Ed used missing-team priority, the list is now

1. Karibou
2. Bethany Mc.
3. Tim Delles
4. dodar
5. Barry Bonzack
6. Josh Fox
7. Basel A
8. Chris is me
9. Vikesrock
10. rtfgnow
11. EricH
12: Koko Ed

3801 should be on waiver in Olympic (though I do think some waiver claims need processing).

[ATannahill]

1. Bethany Mc.
2. Tim Delles
3. dodar
4. Barry Bonzack
5. Josh Fox
6. Chris is me
7. Vikesrock
8. EricH
9: Koko Ed
10. Karibou
11. Basel A
12. rtfgnow

Karibou
148 for 2735 in Dallas

Basel A
68 for 3655 in Livonia

rtfgnow
2609 for 3117 in East Toronto
752 for 3666 in Dallas

waver until 2/13:
Dallas: 2735 3666
Livonia: 3655
East Toronto: 3117
Boiler 1: 3232
Olympic: 3801

[ATannahill]

waver until 2/13:
Dallas: 2735 3666
Livonia: 3655
East Toronto: 3117
Boiler 1: 3232
Olympic: 3801
Waterford: 226 440 903 3547
Niles: 141 503 2474 2771 3357
Las Vegas: 3341
Livonia: 123 3656
Boston: 348
Dallas: 1817 3507

2175 dropped Lake Superior
3656 dropped Waterford
3570 dropped Niles
2976 dropped Oregon
841 dropped Las Vegas
68 dropped Livonia
3877 dropped Colorado

[ATannahill]

1. Bethany Mc.
2. Tim Delles
3. dodar
4. Barry Bonzack
5. Josh Fox
6. Chris is me
7. Vikesrock
8. Koko Ed
9. Karibou
10. Basel A
11. EricH
12. rtfgnow

EricH
503 and 2771 for 1677 and 858 in Niles 2

rtfgnow
3357 and 141 for 1941 and 2405 in Niles 2
1817 for 752 in Dallas
226 for 2676 in Waterford 1
123 for 3602 in Livonia

[ATannahill]

There weren't many changes last week and I got no waiver requests.

Waiver until 2/27:

Peachtree: 587
Niles: 2591
Connecticut: 743 2791

3854 dropped Florida.
1817 dropped Dallas.

[Chris is me]

2791 for 237 in Connecticut, priority whatever.

[EricH]

3821 is on waiver in Cascade until 2/27.

[ATannahill]

1. Bethany Mc.
2. Tim Delles
3. dodar
4. Barry Bonzack
5. Josh Fox
6. Vikesrock
7. Koko Ed
8. Karibou
9. Basel A
10. EricH
11. Chris is me
12. rtfgnow

Chris is me
2791 for 237 in Connecticut

rtfgnow
587 for 1127 in Peachtree

[ATannahill]

I submit that after the waiver prior to the event has been processed, an event no longer goes on waiver. It instead is a 'free for all'.

If we do this, it means that changes can be made in week one events without worrying about the waiver.

[Vikesrock]

I submit that after the waiver prior to the event has been processed, an event no longer goes on waiver. It instead is a 'free for all'.

If we do this, it means that changes can be made in week one events without worrying about the waiver.

Makes sense to me.

[EricH]

Same here.

[Josh Fox]

Alright, so for the big Seattle mix-up, I figured I would post my changes here.

Since 3393 and 1294, who I had in Cascade, were switched over to Olympic I'll take them and 1595, who was not picked by anyone, for Olympic.

In Cascade, I'll take 1258, who I had for Olympic but switched over, and then 2906 off the unclaimed teams list.

So my teams for Olympic should be 3392, 1294, and 1595.

My Cascade teams will be 1528, 3805, and 2906.


If there're any inconsistencies or I made an error please let me know.

[EricH]

All right, here are the waiver teams that I know of:

Seattle Cascade: 3576, 3789
Seattle Olympic: 949, 2046
Connecticut: 237
Peachtree: 1127

A couple of folks are still working on Seattle teams; hopefully we'll know the status there by the end of the weekend.

[EricH]

One more in Seattle, for next week:

2374 in Cascade has become available.

[Barry Bonzack]

putting a waiver in for 2046 for Olympic. Replace my third pick 3876

[Vikesrock]

Claim for 2046 in Seattle Olympic, dropping 473

[ATannahill]

I do not have the time to do waivers this week. All information was posted in this thread, no pms. Can someone go through the last page and assign teams correctly.

[Vikesrock]

Only claims posted were for 2046. Barry beats me out (not sure why I even posted a claim :confused: )

1. Bethany Mc.
2. Tim Delles
3. dodar
4. Josh Fox
5. Vikesrock
6. Koko Ed
7. Karibou
8. Basel A
9. EricH
10. Chris is me
11. rtfgnow
12. Barry Bonzack

3876 goes on waivers for Seattle Olympic

[Vikesrock]

It's Wednesday of week 3 and Bethany still hasn't done anything with her Seattle situation. I would love to fill my blank spot with 1983, but I don't know how fair it really is for anyone to get them? Thoughts?

[IndySam]

Are the folks in Boiler tier 2 just stupid or what?

:)

[EricH]

It's Wednesday of week 3 and Bethany still hasn't done anything with her Seattle situation. I would love to fill my blank spot with 1983, but I don't know how fair it really is for anyone to get them? Thoughts?

I don't think it's quite fair to all of us to go that route. I'm thinking that Bethany keeps 1983, but in Cascade, but the other teams go to the free agent pool (3586 to Olympic and 2850 to Cascade). She's got several other missing teams, and it seems that something's going a little crazy down her way that's taking a bit of time.

[Vikesrock]

I don't think it's quite fair to all of us to go that route. I'm thinking that Bethany keeps 1983, but in Cascade, but the other teams go to the free agent pool (3586 to Olympic and 2850 to Cascade). She's got several other missing teams, and it seems that something's going a little crazy down her way that's taking a bit of time.

I agree. I'm going to grab 2374 to fill my hole in Cascade.

[Vikesrock]

Colorado: 499

[EricH]

VCU: 1885 available.

[Barry Bonzack]

Colorado
2352 to replace my missing team of 2443


VCU
1885 in out 1522
Priority 2

[EricH]

Kevin, who gets 1885 and 499?

[Vikesrock]

Kevin, who gets 1885 and 499?

Nobody PMed me any claims so unless anybody PMed them to Alex it looks like Barry is the only one with a claim so he gets 1885

[EricH]

Nobody PMed me any claims so unless anybody PMed them to Alex it looks like Barry is the only one with a claim so he gets 1885
I PM'd a claim for 1885 for Alex.

[ATannahill]

I PM'd a claim for 1885 for Alex.
And you were alone. All yours.

[dodar]

Archimedes 2054 for 3704 1
Curie 987 for 2377 2...2081 for 2377, if gone, 122 3

[Vikesrock]

Barry has decided to withdraw form the Championship events. I'll run the waiver claims for any of his teams from Archimedes or Curie. As always, post or PM are acceptable.

Available teams:
Archimedes: 2054, 190, 932, 360
Curie: 987, 2081, 1507, 2996

Current waiver priority list:
1. Bethany Mc.
2. Tim Delles
3. dodar
4. Josh Fox
5. Vikesrock
6. Koko Ed
7. Karibou
8. Basel A
9. Chris is me
10. rtfgnow
11. EricH

[Basel A]

In order of priority (highest priority first)

Curie:
Want 987 (want most) and 2081
For 1574 and 126 (want least)

Archimedes:
Want 2054 for 3337

[Vikesrock]

In order of priority (highest priority first)

Curie:
Want 987 (want most) and 2081
For 1574 and 126 (want least)

Archimedes:
Want 2054 for 3337

I interpret this to mean that you would prefer to drop 126 if a single Curie claim goes through, is that correct?

[Basel A]

Yep, that's right. I couldn't figure out a good way to format it..

[ATannahill]

Archimedes:

Want 2054 (want most) and 932
For 229 and 3010 (want least)

Curie:

want 987 for 299