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Sean Raia
09-01-2011, 10:21
Can your robot play defense on an enemy's pole?
I see the ability to somehow prevent an opposing alliances mini-bot from reaching the top of the pole as not only fair but very crucial in winning a match.
Your robot could, of course deploy your mini-bot first, and then go play defense on the other alliance's mini-bot
This is a general question and im just curious about the possibilities.
Ryan_Davis
09-01-2011, 10:22
No, I read the rules quite thoroughly last evening and it states that you may not interfere with the host-bot or mini-bot when they are on the tower during the finale period.
nighterfighter
09-01-2011, 10:23
You can't touch an opposing alliance's robot as they are deploying their minibot.
You COULD however, try to block them from getting there in the first place.
Tiny Tim
09-01-2011, 10:25
And how would you do that?
Ryan_Davis
09-01-2011, 10:27
No, I read the rules quite thoroughly last evening and it states that you may not interfere with the host-bot or mini-bot when they are on the tower during the finale period.
<G24> The opposing ALLIANCE may not interfere with the DEPLOYMENT or climbing of a MINIBOT (Violation= RED CARD)
Interference by an ALLIANCE refers to any action taken by that ALLIANCE that results in disruption of the MINIBOT's progress. This may include, but is not limited to,
a) Throwing a GAME PIECE at the MINI/TOWER,
b) Driving a ROBOT or GAME PIECE into the TOWER, or
c) Directly contacting the MINIBOT or TOWER
Sean Raia
09-01-2011, 10:27
Alright, i suppose i didn't skim the rules enough. Ok, so blocking other robots from deploying on the pole is still possible.... hmm.
EDIT: It states you cannot TOUCH the opposing robot or mini-bot. I see a possibility here...
Ryan_Davis
09-01-2011, 10:27
And how would you do that?
Have a faster MINIBOT...
Ryan_Davis
09-01-2011, 10:28
Alright, i suppose i didn't skim the rules enough. Ok, so blocking other robots from deploying on the pole is still possible.... hmm.
No, blocking is directly prohibited.
Tiny Tim
09-01-2011, 10:29
Okay thanks
nighterfighter
09-01-2011, 11:03
No, blocking is directly prohibited.
It is?
So that means that I couldn't pin another robot against a wall for 5 seconds during the end of the game, thus preventing them from having enough time to get to, and line up with, the tower?
Ryan_Davis
09-01-2011, 11:59
That's within legality but I guess I just assume that I personally wouldn't chance losing 10 points due to a pinning penalty.
Bjenks548
09-01-2011, 12:03
If you don't want to pin, simply do what "dozer" does in the animation but for the tower instead. Move side to side not letting them pass you on the way to the pole.
That's within legality but I guess I just assume that I personally wouldn't chance losing 10 points due to a pinning penalty.
10 penalties. Each penalty is 3 points. That's a 30 point death sentence.
LemmingBot
09-01-2011, 12:09
Apparently not, trust me us at MOE argued about this for a while XD
MagiChau
09-01-2011, 12:16
There's the 3rd robot in the alliance that can try and hamper one of the opposing alliance's robots to try and make them last, or if possible not let them get to deploy at all. It probably would turn into a battle of skill if your opponent does this to one of your alliance's robots also.
The only legal way to block minibots is to keep their hostbots from touching the tower/base. Once they touch the base, the best you can expect is a penalty; the other option is a red card if you continue to try and hamper them.
nighterfighter
09-01-2011, 15:25
So it is basically the same as last year's end-game....
:rolleyes:
Ryan_Davis
09-01-2011, 15:57
10 penalties. Each penalty is 3 points. That's a 30 point death sentence.
Even better.
Radical Pi
09-01-2011, 16:08
What if you sat down right in front of the tower between the opponent and the tower? If they're close enough they would have to expend valuable time to go around you, and if they try to push you into the tower it's not a penalty
Erik Huang
09-01-2011, 16:29
And how would you do that?
just stop the host bot from getting to the pole. get in his way, pin him, etc
Robert103
09-01-2011, 16:39
It's within the rules to block another alliance from getting to their tower, so long as that bot isn't touching their tower. You would only need to keep them at a distance and tangle them up long enough to prevent their minibot from having time to reach the top. Remember, endgame this year is only 10 seconds, so even by delaying them for a couple seconds, at the very least they would place lower in the race, possibly not at all. It is important to know when to back off though, because violation of G24 is a red card.
Erik Huang
09-01-2011, 17:11
It is?
So that means that I couldn't pin another robot against a wall for 5 seconds during the end of the game, thus preventing them from having enough time to get to, and line up with, the tower?
2 things; if your alliance partner doesn't have a minibot, can you pin the opponent for 5 seconds, back off, then have your alliance partner pin immediately after? is the pinning rule only for one robot or the whole alliance?
also, since there are 4 poles, let's say the first three to the top were from your alliance; is that even possible and if so, would that mean 65 points?
GaryVoshol
09-01-2011, 17:18
since there are 4 poles, let's say the first three to the top were from your alliance; is that even possible and if so, would that mean 65 points?Each alliance "owns" two of the poles. You can only touch and score on your own pole.
I saw the thing about each alliance only having two towers, but I didn't see it specified as to which two towers they are.
Which two towers belong to the red alliance? Where is that specified in the manual?
Thanks!
Robert103
09-01-2011, 21:47
Section 2.2.5 in The Arena:
TOWERS are located near the mid-field end of each LANE and are owned by the ALLIANCE associated with the LANE in which it is located (i.e. the TOWER intersecting the red LANE is owned by the red ALLIANCE).
Jimmy Nichols
13-01-2011, 12:48
OFF-Topic:
Is anyone else bothered by the name of the thread. Since when do we refer to our opponent's as enemies?
Sean Raia
13-01-2011, 12:57
OFF-Topic:
Is anyone else bothered by the name of the thread. Since we do we refer to our opponent's as enemies?
Enemy can be defined as an adversary or opponent.
So i guess you could say "we" do that when "we" use synonyms.
Jimmy Nichols
13-01-2011, 14:17
Enemy can be defined as an adversary or opponent.
So i guess you could say we do that when we use synonyms.
We discourage our students from using that term. In our minds we see that term as derogatory. Just something that we do with our students, not saying it is right or wrong.
From Websters.com
Definition of ENEMY
1: one that is antagonistic to another; especially : one seeking to injure, overthrow, or confound an opponent
2: something harmful or deadly <alcohol was his greatest enemy>
3a : a military adversary b : a hostile unit or force
royal robotics
13-01-2011, 14:41
off topic!!!!!!!!
thx all this made my day so much brighter:p ;) :D :cool: :]
Alan Anderson
13-01-2011, 15:18
We discourage our students from using that term. In our minds we see that term as derogatory. Just something that we do with our students, not saying it is right or wrong.
I've always told people that other FRC teams are not our enemies. They are our rivals. We don't work to make them lose. We work to make us better.
Sean Raia
13-01-2011, 15:29
I've always told people that other FRC teams are not our enemies. They are our rivals. We don't work to make them lose. We work to make us better.
That's true, i didn't put all that much thought into the title, but i see where the difference in the two words can have a different meaning.
I was under the impression it would be taken as a direct synonym to opposing.
But enemy does sound rather unpleasant in the spirit of FIRST.
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