Car Nack Predicts 2011-6

[Car Nack]

Car Nack Predicts 2011-6

6. Car Nack hopes he is wrong, however he foresees controversy over early mini-bot deployment issues.

Car Nack has spoken

[Chris is me]

Everyone's going to LOVE the refs this year.

[Zuelu562]

I sense a lot of drama and a lot of the enforcement of <T04> in our future.

THE HEAD REFEREE RULINGS ARE FINAL!

[dodar]

Another prediction that is a sibling of this one is, too much controversy over the deployment height.

[OZ_341]

This will really be a problem as teams go deeper in the playoffs. Teams will be more evenly matched and so will mini-bots. Deployment time will be the deciding factor.
So unless you install a light curtain around the base of every pole, there will be plenty to argue about.

[IndySam]

Car Nack is wise.

I think week one is going to be FUBAR as far as penalties are concerned.

I'm glad I'm not reffing 'till week 2!

[Zuelu562]

Car Nack is wise.

I think week one is going to be FUBAR as far as penalties are concerned.

I'm glad I'm not reffing 'till week 2!

Agreed, BAE/GSR is going to be one of the regionals where those rulings will be highly contested, I assure you. I sense lots of teams with their names in yellow on the board.

[Chris is me]

How do you simultaneously watch the bottom of the tower and a clock at the same time, if you're a ref?

[Mike Rizzo]

I'll be Refereeing week 1 at Finger Lakes Regional, I'll let you know how it goes

[Duncan Macdonald]

Car Nack is wise.

I think week one is going to be FUBAR as far as penalties are concerned.

I'm glad I'm not reffing 'till week 2!

The great Car Nack is wise (and likely unfortunately correct).
But what miracle fix is everyone expecting after week 1 other than allowing deployment at any time or cutting the minibot points in half? I don't see either happening.

[dez250]

How do you simultaneously watch the bottom of the tower and a clock at the same time, if you're a ref?

You don't! The base of the pole has lights inside that will have difference sequences of lighting depending on the period of play, and activity of the pole.

[Astarties]

I'm sure there's going to be some sort of noise that will play once the match is down to the last 10 seconds. This will make it easier for everyone, refs and teams alike, to know when it is legal to deploy the minibot. As far as deployment height goes, we might see a line on the poles to show where the max deployment height is.

[EricH]

As far as deployment height goes, we might see a line on the poles to show where the max deployment height is.
There is. But seeing a black Sharpie line on metal at that distance could be tough, depending on finish of the pole and how many Minibots have tried to rub the Sharpie off by climbing past it since the last touchup.

[IndySam]

The great Car Nack is wise (and likely unfortunately correct).
But what miracle fix is everyone expecting after week 1 other than allowing deployment at any time or cutting the minibot points in half? I don't see either happening.

I don't expect a miracle at all, just week one being guinea pigs for the rest of us maybe producing minor rule tweaks and clarifications.

I also expect many problems with zone infraction rules.

The GDC has an impossible job creating the rules. They do an amazing job but there is always rules that need to be fixed after week one.

[thefro526]

I foresee a lot of teams in earlier regionals, if not in all of them, forgoing mini-bot deployment unless it's absolutely necessary to win.

[Tom Line]

I feel very sorry for the refs. As I said in a thread at the beginning of the season, wouldn't it be horrible if the win on Einstein comes down to someone who deploys .5 seconds early and doesn't get called on it?

Some method should have been made to do this automatically - perhaps a pressure plate that the minibot had to depress (much like the one at the top of the tower), Laser switches around the mast, something. The game idea is phenomenal, but the implementation is tough on those volunteers. A camera looking down from each match running labview vision detecting if someone breaks the white circle might have worked as well.

Gracious professionalism will be absolutely crucial this year.

[artdutra04]

I feel very sorry for the refs. As I said in a thread at the beginning of the season, wouldn't it be horrible if the win on Einstein comes down to someone who deploys .5 seconds early and doesn't get called on it?

Some method should have been made to do this automatically - perhaps a pressure plate that the minibot had to depress (much like the one at the top of the tower), Laser switches around the mast, something. The game idea is phenomenal, but the implementation is tough on those volunteers. A camera looking down from each match running labview vision detecting if someone breaks the white circle might have worked as well.

Gracious professionalism will be absolutely crucial this year.The Minibot should have first hit a plate on the base of the tower, then hit the plate at the top of the pole.

Then we could have called them Mortar-bots.

[pfreivald]

So unless you install a light curtain around the base of every pole

And that won't work anyway, because HOSTBOTS are allowed to break the plane of the tower (and even contact the pole) before DEPLOYMENT -- it's only minibots that can't.

I know that we plan on being in position a few seconds early, with our deployment mechanism touching the pole and ready to fire the minibot!

[DonRotolo]

I know that we plan on being in position a few seconds early, with our deployment mechanism touching the pole and ready to fire the minibot!We are planning on a similar tactic.

[Cyberphil]

I absolutely agree with this.

It would be nice if there was some kind of vertical sensor during the last 15 seconds to see when they cross that line, but that would require a LOT more programming, money, and probably something else I am overseeing.

Or like Art was saying, plates on the bottom that first had to be engaged before the minibot could be deployed.

I know for a fact our team is going to be at the pole somewhere around the 15-20 second mark to get ready depending if we need to line up or not (which depends on weight).

To me, it is kind of set up to fail: Such a vital part of the game that requires the bots to be deployed at a very precise time with humans determining whether the teams deployed early or on time just seems sketchy to me.

[waialua359]

I foresee a lot of teams in earlier regionals, if not in all of them, forgoing mini-bot deployment unless it's absolutely necessary to win.

This!

[Koko Ed]

I foresee a lot of teams in earlier regionals, if not in all of them, forgoing mini-bot deployment unless it's absolutely necessary to win.

But qualification matches aren't just about wins, losses and seeding postion. It's also trying to show other teams what you can do. Like a job interview. You're tryting to show the top teams at the competition that they need you more than they need air. A good minibot might be the one thing that seals the deal for them picking you. If they see you have a minibot and you're not using it they're going to assume it either doesn't work or you don't know how to use it.
I say if you got it you may as well flaunt it. Even if you have to release it a second later just to be safe.

[pfreivald]

Indeed. A minibot reaching the top last is still ten points, which could easily swing a game one way or the other.

[MarcD79]

There was only one complete minibot deployment at Suffield Shakedown & it was team 175, Buzz Robotics. Judging by what I saw yesterday, the scores from the tubes were not extreme. That minibot deployment will make or break the game.