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I'm curious after watching the SD finals, if anyone else thinks there's a chance we may see a perfect score this year.
3 ubertubes on the top row in autonomous.
full racks of logos
2 winning minibots.
This is one of the only year's I can think of where there was a perfect score that was attainable.
Sunshine
15-03-2011, 10:08
yes
Yes we will see a perfect score.
No it will not be at an official FRC event.
Crossfire
15-03-2011, 10:17
I think it's possible, but the alliance would need to have great robots and human players. And the other alliance would have to go all offense too, because one defensive robot would probably be able to prevent a perfect score. I don't like the odds, but I'd love to see it.
GiannaLeigh3
15-03-2011, 10:20
I think a perfect score of 158 would be attainable this year. Especially as we enter the Nationals next month in St. Louis where there will be so many amazing teams. If we are seeing scores of 115 at local regionals, I can only imagine what scores will be put up during St. Louis. (:
One thing I noticed in San Diego, 254/987 were good at hanging on the top and middle rows, but they really struggled to hang on the lower rows.
If we are going to see a perfect score, I suspect it will be from a couple of lift type mechanisms rather than arm mechanisms.
thefro526
15-03-2011, 10:31
I think we'll see a perfect score during at least one Championship Match. I think that's the only place you'll see 3 teams capable of scoring that many points in 2 minutes. (Excluding IRI)
If we are going to see a perfect score, I suspect it will be from a couple of lift type mechanisms rather than arm mechanisms.
We have an arm, and can score on the bottom row without any problems at all... Just sayin'.
One thing I noticed in San Diego, 254/987 were good at hanging on the top and middle rows, but they really struggled to hang on the lower rows.
If we are going to see a perfect score, I suspect it will be from a couple of lift type mechanisms rather than arm mechanisms.
Our robot also has an arm, and our drivers filled up one side of the rack by themselves all but 1 tube on the bottom row. If they hadnt lost comms, they would have filled up that side and started on the other side. We set the national record for most tubes scored in a match by a single robot with 9(1 in auto and 8 in tele-op) in that match.
Sunshine
15-03-2011, 10:36
You will see a perfect score with 2 great teams working together. You do not need 3 teams.
I think we'll see a perfect score during at least one Championship Match. I think that's the only place you'll see 3 teams capable of scoring that many points in 2 minutes. (Excluding IRI)
We have an arm, and can score on the bottom row without any problems at all... Just sayin'.
I think scoring on the bottom row is more an issue for the drivers than the mechanisms themselves. many teams trained on the top 2... the bottom row seemed to create problems in the SD final match 1
Also note the top qualifying score so far has been 122 points and and second highest was 120.
( FIRST 217 was on both teams ) both of these happened at ROC
note that their alliance score 50 race points in both of those matches.
However we do have to remember how little that bottom row is worth. I'm not sure what caused the missing 36 points from perfect score, but I think putting the 2 best teams from 2 different regionals, will certainly create unique opportunities.
I guess a second question will follow
WILL WE SEE A FULL GRID OF LOGOS IN COMPETITION?
Jared Russell
15-03-2011, 10:54
I'm leaning towards "No". I have seen many robots that could probably fill 9/18 scoring pegs by themselves with no defense and well-thrown tubes, and many of these also have fast minibots. Put two together with a third bot to push tubes and/or stay out of the way and in theory you could see a perfect score. (Three scoring bots is a crowd this year)
However, once the top and middle rows are ubertubed and full, will these teams really try and fill up the bottom row? Or will they take the extra time to make absolutely, positively sure that their minibot deployment is going to go off without a hitch? I would sacrifice an entire bottom row logo (6 points) just to help hedge the 5-10% chance that I have issues getting my minibot to the tower...
Sean1038
15-03-2011, 10:55
You will see a perfect score with 2 great teams working together. You do not need 3 teams.
I agree because 1114 was able to put up i think 3 logos, 2 ubertubes and a 1st place minibot in one match at pittsburgh.
Zuelu562
15-03-2011, 11:00
18 Teleop tubes, 3 top row ubertubes, First and Second place minibots. A tall order? Yes. Possible? Yes.
If anywhere, we're going to see it in later regionals, or at the very latest Einstein. I predict we will see it, but it will most certainly be during elims, and probably from teams who appeared at more than one regional.
If we see it, it'll be a very lucky teaming up of good teams in a qm, at MSC, STL, or IRI.
jvriezen
15-03-2011, 11:44
Actually, a perfect score is technically 194... You just have to be fortunate enough to have opponents that herd you their ubertubes across the centerline during autonomous so that each of your alliance's bots can score two ubertubes.
Now that will never happen..
FIRST Team 2530 "Inconceivable"
Actually, a perfect score is technically 194... You just have to be fortunate enough to have opponents that herd you their ubertubes across the centerline during autonomous so that each of your alliance's bots can score two ubertubes.
Now that will never happen..
FIRST Team 2530 "Inconceivable"
haha! awesome point... a 6 tube autonomous with one tube on each peg. This would be truly awesome.
for the sake of discussion though we'll keep it at a 6 tube autonomous so you are not dependent on the other alliance
I expect an alliance at IRI elims might achieve this. Some alliance including three of: 1114,2056,217,148,254,968,233,111 and probably more I'm forgetting.
Sunshine
15-03-2011, 12:56
Actually, a perfect score is technically 194... You just have to be fortunate enough to have opponents that herd you their ubertubes across the centerline during autonomous so that each of your alliance's bots can score two ubertubes.
Now that will never happen..
FIRST Team 2530 "Inconceivable"
Your opponent must also be willing to break a rule and get a penalty.
<G11> ROBOTS may not break the plane of the CENTER LINE. Violation: PENALTY
Your opponent must also be willing to break a rule and get a penalty.
<G11> ROBOTS may not break the plane of the CENTER LINE. Violation: PENALTY
technically they could push the tube so it straddled to the center line, and you could pick it up. The accuracy with nothing to reference would have to be incredible though.
I don't think so, Sunshine.
An Ubertube is not a robot. It is quite possible to push an Ubertube far enough over the line for another robot to grab it without going across yourself. It would take some relatively precision programming, but could be done.
Now whether said Ubertube could be scored autonomously is quite another story.
Sunshine
15-03-2011, 13:00
technically they could push the tube so it straddled to the center line, and you could pick it up. The accuracy with nothing to reference would have to be incredible though.
Accuracy and making time stand still. :p :D
If there are any lineups with 3 awesome bots versus 3 broken bots, then this is feasible. My take is 2 main scorers with a carrier bot who gets the right tubes at the right times.
Eagleeyedan
15-03-2011, 16:00
You will see a perfect score with 2 great teams working together. You do not need 3 teams.
As WAVE and Wildstange proved in WI. They only missed 4 tubes and 1 uber tube. It was amazing!
Eagleeyedan
15-03-2011, 16:05
I don't think so, Sunshine.
An Ubertube is not a robot. It is quite possible to push an Ubertube far enough over the line for another robot to grab it without going across yourself. It would take some relatively precision programming, but could be done.
Now whether said Ubertube could be scored autonomously is quite another story.
That would take a lot of collaboration between teams:eek:
Eagleeyedan
15-03-2011, 16:18
As WAVE and Wildstange proved in WI. They only missed 3 tubes and 1 uber tube. It was amazing!
Here's a picture.
Here's a picture.
Technically they missed 2 ubertubes (one is on the middle wrung)
Also going back to the 6 tube autonomous this may be an interesting thing to consider when going against reliable 2 tube autonomous robots.
Take this video of 33...
http://www.youtube.com/user/ketteringfirst#p/c/9C4AE0B4834B757C/1/V7WGRe6t1Gg
If your robot was designed to cross mid field and steal the 3rd tube and then cap it, it would cause a pretty substantial change of pace...
rather than your opponent potentially scoring 18 points from a result of that second tube
you could score those 18 points. incurring a 3 pt penalty in doing so.
all in all it would potentially be a *ironically* 33 pt swing.
making a single tube worth basically 33 points versus the traditional 18 :)
Eagleeyedan
15-03-2011, 16:41
Technically they missed 2 ubertubes (one is on the middle wrung)
Also going back to the 6 tube autonomous this may be an interesting thing to consider when going against reliable 2 tube autonomous robots.
Take this video of 33...
http://www.youtube.com/user/ketteringfirst#p/c/9C4AE0B4834B757C/1/V7WGRe6t1Gg
If your robot was designed to cross mid field and steal the 3rd tube and then cap it, it would cause a pretty substantial change of pace...
rather than your opponent potentially scoring 18 points from a result of that second tube
you could score those 18 points. incurring a 3 pt penalty in doing so.
all in all it would potentially be a *ironically* 33 pt swing.
making a single tube worth basically 33 points versus the traditional 18 :)
Once again, the idea of scoring 6 ubertubes would take a TON of collaboration but it sure would be cool! Maybe that could be something to work on for IRI. Good point about the middle rung though. In the match before that one, 111 was having problems reaching to the top so they made autonomus go to the middle. At the end of this match, they were able to score on the top again.
KrazyCarl92
15-03-2011, 23:12
We set the national record for most tubes scored in a match by a single robot with 9(1 in auto and 8 in tele-op) in that match.
Team 40 put up 10 tubes in a match at BAE GSR.
DustinWyke
16-03-2011, 00:29
I think there is definitely a chance of seeing a perfect score at St. Louis.
But a major question: Is it worth it to score on the bottom row?
The bottom row offers so few points, it would make more sense to switch to defense or to get to the minibot tower early to guarantee a win there.
WizenedEE
16-03-2011, 04:17
But is having a slightly smaller chance of winning the match worth the extravagant fame of being the first alliance to ever get a perfect score?
Honestly, 60 teams have won Einstein, you could be one of the three to get the golden score.
Andrew Lawrence
16-03-2011, 08:52
One thing I noticed in San Diego, 254/987 were good at hanging on the top and middle rows, but they really struggled to hang on the lower rows.
If we are going to see a perfect score, I suspect it will be from a couple of lift type mechanisms rather than arm mechanisms.
Our arm gets all positions with ease! Even the bottom row we get without trying!!! I can't see how that would be the hard one!
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