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Team 1574
09-04-2011, 20:10
Does anybody know when will we know in which devision we are?
thanks,
and see you in St. Louis
MisCar 1574
It'll take at least a couple of business days to finish clearing out the Week 6 teams coming, and then tell teams on the waitlist that they can come if they get their payments in right away. Then you have to sort the teams into divisions, figure out that division A is stacked with 70 of the best teams there, and redo the entire sort only to find the division C now has 40 and the rest only have 20...
I'd guess Wednesday (4/13) at the very earliest; more likely the end of next week or later. I wouldn't put it later than the weekend before the event. So, at a guess, between 4/15 and 4/22, with minor tweaks of a team or two for a day or two after that.
Joe Ross
09-04-2011, 20:39
In 2002 through 2004 the divisions were released the Tuesday 9 days before the beginning of the championship. That ended up ranging anywhere from before the last regional ended (2003) to 10 days after the last regional ended (2002).
In 2005, the divisions were released on a Monday, 10 days before the beginning of the championship (9 days after the end of the last regionals).
In 2006, the divisions were released on a Friday, 13 days before the beginning of the championship (13 days after the end of the last regionals).
In 2007-2009, the divisions were released on a Wednesday, 8 days before the beginning of the championship (3-4 days after the end of the last regionals).
In 2010, the divisions were released on a Thursday, 7 days before the beginning of the championship (4 days after the end of the last regionals)
rees2001
09-04-2011, 20:44
In 2002 through 2004 the divisions were released the Tuesday 9 days before the beginning of the championship. That ended up ranging anywhere from before the last regional ended (2003) to 10 days after the last regional ended (2002).
In 2005, the divisions were released on a Monday, 10 days before the beginning of the championship (9 days after the end of the last regionals).
In 2006, the divisions were released on a Friday, 13 days before the beginning of the championship (13 days after the end of the last regionals).
In 2007-2009, the divisions were released on a Wednesday, 8 days before the beginning of the championship (3-4 days after the end of the last regionals).
In 2010, the divisions were released on a Thursday, 7 days before the beginning of the championship (4 days after the end of the last regionals)
In the encyclopedia of FIRST under the term Encyclopedia it says - See Joe Ross.
Kevin Sevcik
09-04-2011, 21:06
In the encyclopedia of FIRST under the term Encyclopedia it says - See Joe Ross.Seconded. We should download his brain to the FIRSTWiki to fill out the content there.
David Brinza
09-04-2011, 22:02
Seconded. We should download his brain to the FIRSTWiki to fill out the content there.
A great thing about Joe: if he could download his brain to FIRSTWiki, he would. All trusted content too...
ATannahill
09-04-2011, 22:49
In 2002 through 2004 the divisions were released the Tuesday 9 days before the beginning of the championship. That ended up ranging anywhere from before the last regional ended (2003) to 10 days after the last regional ended (2002).
In 2005, the divisions were released on a Monday, 10 days before the beginning of the championship (9 days after the end of the last regionals).
In 2006, the divisions were released on a Friday, 13 days before the beginning of the championship (13 days after the end of the last regionals).
In 2007-2009, the divisions were released on a Wednesday, 8 days before the beginning of the championship (3-4 days after the end of the last regionals).
In 2010, the divisions were released on a Thursday, 7 days before the beginning of the championship (4 days after the end of the last regionals)
Now was that the day that they were officially announced or the day that some people found the list ahead of time?
BrendanB
09-04-2011, 22:51
Now was that the day that they were officially announced or the day that some people found the list ahead of time?
Haha good one! That was really funny, I won't believe anything this year until I see the list.
548swimmer
10-04-2011, 19:29
I assume the divisions are assigned so that each division is equally difficult to win. Is this right?
I assume the divisions are assigned so that each division is equally difficult to win. Is this right?
Nope, it's random or pseudorandom. No difficulty rating assigned to any division. This does tend to produce a stacked division every year--that's the division that you want to be in to win the division and not be in to win the whole thing.
Chris is me
10-04-2011, 19:46
I assume the divisions are assigned so that each division is equally difficult to win. Is this right?
No.
I imagine among other reasons, no one at FIRST has such an intimate knowledge of every single robot and team that they could actually pull that off.
548swimmer
10-04-2011, 19:52
No.
I imagine among other reasons, no one at FIRST has such an intimate knowledge of every single robot and team that they could actually pull that off.
I was thinking that they could use some sort of ranking system (maybe OPR?) to sort. But random should work well too.
BrendanB
10-04-2011, 20:03
I was thinking that they could use some sort of ranking system (maybe OPR?) to sort. But random should work well too.
But then you wouldn't have fun/intense eliminations like archimedes 2010, galileo 2008, and newton 2006. ;)
548swimmer
10-04-2011, 20:10
But then you wouldn't have fun/intense eliminations like archimedes 2010, galileo 2008, and newton 2006. ;)
True. How do we find out which division is "stacked"?
I was wondering if FIRST tends to put teams in a division they have been in before (keep them in the same division). For example, 2337 has been in Curie 2 of 2 times. 1114 has also been in Curie 4 of 7 times. 111 has been on Newton 4 of 7 in the past seven years as well (both 1114 and 111 from TBA).
True. How do we find out which division is "stacked"?
With a little bit of patience (actually, you don't have to wait that long), the stacked division will be revealed via posts on CD.
Back in the day we used to be able to anticipate who was going to be in what division by using their fairly simple code for picking divisions. They have since changed that so it's not quite so easy to do so.
AcesJames
10-04-2011, 21:06
I was wondering if FIRST tends to put teams in a division they have been in before (keep them in the same division). For example, 2337 has been in Curie 2 of 2 times. 1114 has also been in Curie 4 of 7 times. 111 has been on Newton 4 of 7 in the past seven years as well (both 1114 and 111 from TBA).
Looking at TBA I've noticed a pattern as well.
176 was on Newton 02 - 06. In 07 we were on Curie, 08 was Galileo, and then 09 and 10 were Archimedes. So that's Newton 5/9, Archimedes 2/9, Curie 1/9, and Galileo 1/9. I wonder if most teams that attend CMP every year have that one division they are in more frequently than others.
nighterfighter
10-04-2011, 21:07
I was wondering if FIRST tends to put teams in a division they have been in before (keep them in the same division). For example, 2337 has been in Curie 2 of 2 times. 1114 has also been in Curie 4 of 7 times. 111 has been on Newton 4 of 7 in the past seven years as well (both 1114 and 111 from TBA).
We've been in a different division every time we go to Worlds. (Archimedes, Curie, Galileo)
Maybe we'll get Newton this time...
It'll take at least a couple of business days to finish clearing out the Week 6 teams coming, and then tell teams on the waitlist that they can come if they get their payments in right away. Then you have to sort the teams into divisions, figure out that division A is stacked with 70 of the best teams there, and redo the entire sort only to find the division C now has 40 and the rest only have 20...
fingers crossed =[
we're 1 team away from qualifying
Alpha Beta
10-04-2011, 21:55
fingers crossed =[
we're 1 team away from qualifying
We won the regional championship, did not have a 4th team on the winning alliance, and won Engineering Inspiration at the Colorado Regional this weekend. That should free up a spot for an at-large team. Good luck in getting to Champs.
We won the regional championship, did not have a 4th team on the winning alliance, and won Engineering Inspiration at the Colorado Regional this weekend. That should free up a spot for an at-large team.
Doesn't help if you're from MI and not preregistered, and one spot shy of the MI qualification group. It'll help someone get off the waitlist... but maybe not 201.
fingers crossed =[
we're 1 team away from qualifying
Last time i checked FIRST doesn't release the waiting list order for anybody. Am i wrong because i don't see otherwise how you would know that.
BrendanB
10-04-2011, 22:20
Last time i checked FIRST doesn't release the waiting list order for anybody. Am i wrong because i don't see otherwise how you would know that.
Michigan has their own ranking/wait list for CMP than the regular waitlist.
MagiChau
10-04-2011, 22:23
Looking at TBA I've noticed a pattern as well.
176 was on Newton 02 - 06. In 07 we were on Curie, 08 was Galileo, and then 09 and 10 were Archimedes. So that's Newton 5/9, Archimedes 2/9, Curie 1/9, and Galileo 1/9. I wonder if most teams that attend CMP every year have that one division they are in more frequently than others.
For BOB I didn't really notice a pattern for our divisions. Don't know what division we were in for '02.
'10 was Galileo
'09 was Newton
'08 was Archimedes
'07 was Archimedes
'06 was Newton
'05 was Curie
'01 was Curie
Does anybody know how many teams will be at Championships this year? (assuming teams fill up the spots correctly)
And is this (https://my.usfirst.org/myarea/index.lasso?page=event_teamlist&programs=FRC&season_FRC=2011&results_size=250&eid=5517) the list of teams that already going for sure?
I guess we have a little bit of a tendency: '05 Galileo, '06 Archimedes, '07 Newton, '08 Curie, '09 Archimedes, '10 Newton, '11 Here's praying we get in :D
Does anybody know how many teams will be at Championships this year? (assuming teams fill up the spots correctly)
And is this (https://my.usfirst.org/myarea/index.lasso?page=event_teamlist&programs=FRC&season_FRC=2011&results_size=250&eid=5517) the list of teams that already going for sure?
Last year there was 350 teams if I remember right. That's about 86/87 teams per division.
Justin Montois
11-04-2011, 00:36
We have been..
2004...Newton
2005...Newton
2006...Newton
2007...Newton
2008...Curie
2009...Newton
2010...Curie
2011...
Can't wait for divisions though!
newton '05
newton '06
newton '07
galileo '08
curie '09
curie '10
???? '11
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