2011 Galileo Division

[Zach O]

Let's get some talk started for the 2011 Galileo division!

www.frclinks.com/e/gal/2011

A little bit of data, for you enthusiast out there.

28 teams holding 36 regional wins on this field alone! Listed below, in descending order
Team Events Won
1114 3
2337 2
2137 2
111 2
254 2
195 2
359 2
469 1
548 1
70 1
48 1
1985 1
1868 1
967 1
175 1
40 1
395 1
935 1
1218 1
399 1
1197 1
1771 1
751 1
1099 1
3393 1
3711 1
3397 1
1522 1

Average OPRs in descending order are listed below, from Travis Hoffman's data in the 2011 Championship Divisions (http://www.chiefdelphi.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=94589) thread.
Team Avg OPR
1114 67.14
111 66.34
254 60.39
48 45.91
359 45.7
1056 42.46
2137 42.11
1985 41.53
1218 41.47
341 40.9
610 40.49
967 38.64
40 37.71
973 37.34
2337 37.31
1771 36.86
469 35.75
395 34.37
1425 34.32
63 34.3
292 33.35
935 31.77
399 29.73
1885 29.59
1197 29.56
1429 29.46
1868 29.24
195 29.18
476 27.77
548 25.94
230 25.92
3823 25.86
70 24.92
1714 24.88
175 24.36
294 23.78
1098 22.45
694 21.47
1086 20.95
295 20.46
1334 20.41
173 20.05
3393 18.41
2073 15.6
1305 15.54
281 14.01
93 13.29
3464 12.05
3487 11.86
2472 11.78
3729 11.63
1816 11.1
1099 11.01
2199 10.47
1094 10.12
1646 10.09
884 9.71
1188 8.59
2607 7.94
433 7.84
3574 7.34
1557 7.12
3374 6.79
356 6.68
3504 6.57
1706 6.21
3711 5.99
1288 5.75
159 5.24
1444 5.14
3397 4.82
3645 4.38
1266 4.31
3588 3.72
329 3.56
3526 3.02
999 2.87
3528 2.79
1522 2.55
751 1.6
3527 1.59
3466 0.36
1212 -0.45
3132 -0.65
1700 -2.74
151 -4.18
3750 -5.61

Best OPRs are listed in descending order from Travis Hoffman's OPR spreadsheet (can be found below)
Team Best OPR
111 73.9248
1114 71.8842
254 71.5917
48 56.1789
341 55.7071
1985 55.6489
2137 53.3544
359 51.8483
967 50.9771
469 50.5631
935 47.6648
399 45.9861
294 45.8015
1218 45.5229
63 45.5159
973 43.6561
610 42.8402
2337 42.4786
1056 42.4613
548 42.4237
40 40.6288
1425 38.4389
1868 37.7338
1885 37.5913
395 37.475
1771 36.8577
1334 36.817
694 36.6017
195 35.8345
175 35.2598
1086 34.9241
292 33.3536
230 32.2803
1714 32.1439
70 31.5935
1197 31.2869
1098 31.0126
476 30.3429
1429 30.0761
295 28.8579
1305 26.5205
3824 25.8579
93 24.9499
281 23.8513
173 20.0479
3393 18.4115
1816 15.6034
2073 15.5997
433 15.4473
2199 13.0146
3504 12.0687
3464 12.0549
3487 11.8617
2472 11.7773
3729 11.6269
2607 11.3018
1099 11.0104
1188 10.7523
1094 10.1224
1646 10.0852
1522 10.0756
884 9.70535
3574 7.34395
1557 7.12348
3374 6.78932
357 6.68098
751 6.63733
1266 6.52226
1706 6.21088
3711 5.98548
1288 5.74921
159 5.24393
1444 5.13823
3397 4.81836
3645 4.38486
3588 3.71653
329 3.56105
3526 3.01696
999 2.86764
3528 2.79226
3527 1.59297
3466 0.355798
1212 -0.446965
3132 -0.646374
1700 -2.7423
151 -4.17929
3750 -5.60964
And top average scores per match
Team Average Score Per Match
469 35.4
2337 32.8
2137 31.8
111 31.4
1114 31
548 30.9
70 29.9
254 28.4
48 27.3
341 27.2
1985 24.9
195 24.3
694 23.9
1868 23.6
967 23.3
359 23
175 23
63 22.9
230 21.5
294 21.1
610 20.5
1334 20.3
40 20.1
395 20
935 19.5
1885 19.3
973 19.2
1305 19.2
476 19
295 19
1056 18.6
1218 18.6
399 17.8
1197 17.7
1098 17.6
292 17.4
173 17.1
93 16.9
1714 16.5
1425 16.4
1429 15.5
281 15.3
1771 14.8
1086 14.4
2607 14.2
433 14
3464 13.6
3504 13
1094 12.2
999 11.9
357 11.7
751 11.6
1706 11.5
1099 11.4
1646 11.2
3393 11
2199 11
3711 11
1188 10.5
1288 9.9
2073 9.4
2472 9.4
1816 9.3
3397 8.7
1700 8.2
3487 8.1
884 7.9
3374 7.9
1266 7.9
1522 7.8
1444 7.5
3729 7.3
329 7.2
3527 7.2
151 7
3466 6.9
159 6.8
3574 6.7
1557 5.9
3823 5.7
3132 5.4
3588 4.4
3526 3.8
3528 3.5
3645 2.6
3750 2.6
1212 1.8

GALI-

[remulasce]

Half of Einstein finals last year is present. 294, 469, and 1114.

[MarkoRamius1086]

Can't wait to be part of Galelio again! This time in St. Louis!

GA-LE!

[r2davis2]

LEO

Honestly, this seems like a very stacked division should be very fun to watch. Also elims in the DOME!!!!(I think).

[Zach O]

LEO

Honestly, this seems like a very stacked division should be very fun to watch. Also elims in the DOME!!!!(I think).

We're in the dome on Thursday, pits on Friday, and dome on Saturday.

[J93Wagner]

Looks like we'll be there.

I also took a quick look through for WI teams and I saw 1714 there. Unfortunately it looks like we're the only two from there. :eek:

P.S. What's the only thing better than robotics? MORE ROBOTICS!!!

[r2davis2]

anyone wanna get some opr based off best event going?

[AdamHeard]

looks like fun.

[Zach O]

anyone wanna get some opr based off best event going?

Not sure if it's "best event" or not, but OPRs are listed above

[Nemo]

Here is the Galileo division with best event OPR listed.

What a sweet division - I can't wait to compete with these teams. Thanks to Travis for the OPR spreadsheet.

[r2davis2]

Here is the Galileo division with best event OPR listed.

What a sweet division - I can't wait to compete with these teams. Thanks to Travis for the OPR spreadsheet.

Thanks

[CallieJ]

This is going to be a challenging division this year. 1114, 111 and 254 all in the same place is going to be an adventure. Elims in the dome is especially nice.

[Travis Hoffman]

Rock on. :)

[Lavapicker]

Wow, Galileo looks stacked! Has anyone seen the average OPR per division? Galileo has to be highest by far.

[Kyoshirin]

Highest OPR as well. We have 2 of the three 70+ teams.

[J_Miles]

The team list looks extremely formidable. Expect to see some fireworks here, especially in the finals.

[Bjenks548]

Should be a fun but challenging division. Glad to see some Michigan teams that 548 has played with before. 70, 469, 1188, 2137, and 2337 (at all of our event this year?). Good luck to all teams.

[waialua359]

Wow, why even check? Another tough division again.
Having discussions 1114, 254, 40, and 357 here at vex worlds has been fun since we are all in the same divisions here also.
357 will probably be our next door pit team in back to back tournaments. :)
We got to see both 1114 FRC driver and operator in two matches with us this weekend.
Great great humble kids.

Eliminations should be great to participate in, for this division.

[catsylve]

Wow! This is going to be so exciting to play on the same field with such great teams!

[AlecMataloni]

This division looks awesome! We can't wait to play with you guys! If only the championships didnt seem so far away...

[Karibou]

Galileo definitely seems to be the place to be this year! I'm volunteering, and I'm on field reset. We're going to have our work cut out for us, it seems. Good luck to all of the teams!

[J93Wagner]

Galileo definitely seems to be the place to be this year! I'm volunteering, and I'm on field reset. We're going to have our work cut out for us, it seems. Good luck to all of the teams!

You very much look to be having it cut out for you. Good luck, you're probably going to need it.

[Patrick Seeney]

Our division is stacked, I can't wait to see so many of the teams I have been following all season. The possibilities for match ups in qualifications are quite intriguing!

[Chris is me]

This division has some solid depth to it.

Everyone will probably get wrapped up in IFI with 1114, 111, and 254, but that's not all there is at the top. 40 and 195's performances, especially at their second events, were very solid yet relatively unnoticed. They are at the very top of this division. The criminally underrated 2137, 341, 973, and 1771 are part of a very large upper middle tier.

[Tom Bottiglieri]

Good luck to 254 and 195! I'll be rooting for you via webcast!


Too bad 125 couldnt be a part of the division... I guess my dream of "team tombot" will have to wait another year.

[jblay]

StuyPulse is back on Galileo for the third straight time. How does it always happen that it is the most stacked division? I guess its difficult to satisfy the awesomeness quota for such an awesome division so they have to fill with an insane amount of awesome teams. Does anyone know who the MC and announcers are for Galileo this year? I hope its Blair and Andy Grady like in the last few years, they are both so good.

[tr6scott]

The criminally underrated 2137, 341, 973, and 1771 are part of a very large upper middle tier.

shhhhh we like being underrated. :)

[Travis Hoffman]

Welcome to Galileo, Team 188!

[PriyankP]

Welcome to Galileo, Team 188!

Thanks and good to be on Galileo for the second straight year! :)

Felt pretty awesome when our teacher told us we made it.

[Mr. Lim]

Wow, with 188, 1114, 1305, and 1334 all in Galileo, I'm nervous just from the Canadian content in this division. Never mind having to deal with the best the rest of the world has to offer. Dealing with these 4 will be a task in of itself :ahh:.

[Jessica Boucher]

Does anyone know who the MC and announcers are for Galileo this year? I hope its Blair and Andy Grady like in the last few years, they are both so good.

Maybe. Maybe not. Everything is still being finalized.

I did order my annual "Galileo Volunteer Game" pieces today. Last year, the ball return was a great volleyball net, but this year took some creativity.

[V_Chip]

Buzz will be in attendance. Change of scenery from Curie.

Looks fun.

[JackN]

Wow, what an awesome division. I will be down there on Galileo helping Team 70 with scouting and strategy and needless to say I pumped to work with all of these great teams.

A little scene setting for what we can look forward to out on the Galileo field next weekend. Starting off we have Hall of Fame teams like 254, 175, 341 and 111. In addition to the Hall of Famers we have two different two-time world champions 111 and 294. Four one time world champions in 1114, 469, 48, 173 and six other previous Einstein Competitors 254, 341, 292, 175, 1218, and 195 help comprise what is one of the most experienced and decorated divisions in FIRST history. Throw in teams like 40, 359, 1771, 70, 548, 2337, 1985, 399 and 2137 all with blue banners this year and looking to prove themselves among the FIRST elite with an Einstein birth and you have a division that will be filled with tense and hard fought matches from all 8 of the alliances Saturday.

Needless to say the world champs are coming out of Galileo and hopefully team 70 will get a chance to play with some of the awesome teams.

[JesseK]

Scouting this division will be like a dream. I seriously doubt we'll have 2 dull matches in a row. Not only do we all get a front seat to watching THE top-notch teams compete, we get to compete among them!

Hopefully the upgrades we're making will take the bot from a slow, reliable tube scorer to a more robust bot so we can be closer to the level of the power houses in this division.

Good luck to all!

[ks_mumupsi]

Needless to say the world champs are coming out of Galileo


Last year reminds us all of a stark reminder on this statement.. I think some of the best teams from this years competitions are in galileo and im going to try and watch some matches but einstein is a whole different ball game :)

only one week to go!!!

[Jared Russell]

Needless to say the world champs are coming out of Galileo...

And I would wager the Chairman's Award Winner as well.

[Mike Soukup]

Does anyone know who the MC and announcers are for Galileo this year? I hope its Blair and Andy Grady like in the last few years, they are both so good.
Since Andy's one of my favorite announcers, I would really like to have him on Galileo, but it probably won't happen. For as long as he's been announcing at Championship, Dan Green has been on our field.

[Cory]

Since Andy's one of my favorite announcers, I would really like to have him on Galileo, but it probably won't happen. For as long as he's been announcing at Championship, Dan Green has been on our field.

Last year Mark Leon switched from his normal field (Curie) to be on Archimedes with us. I would not be surprised if he ended up on Galileo this year in addition to Dan.

[Boydean]

Super excited to be volunteering this year on Galileo again. Last year was awesome, and it looks like the teams will prove that this year is going to be a joy to watch the field.

[SGK]

Buzz will be in attendance. Change of scenery from Curie.

Looks fun.

We just cancelled your plane ticket. Found a better human player to go!!
:yikes: :yikes: :yikes:

[Karibou]

Super excited to be volunteering this year on Galileo again. Last year was awesome, and it looks like the teams will prove that this year is going to be a joy to watch the field.

Did I see a few weeks ago on Twitter that you're also on field reset? Regardless, it'll be nice to finally get to meet you!


Geez, this thread is quiet. GALI-

[remulasce]

LEO!

[jblay]

Geez, this thread is quiet. GALI-

LEO!!!

That's as load as I can be

[remulasce]

Man, I got shown up.

[Bjenks548]

From the latest Bill's Blog post. I think Galileo also has the best pit area! Not as far as Archenemies but not in the middle of the pit fields like Newton and Curie. We also have the Pit Admin right in the middle! Should be a great division, looking forward to sharing a pit with our sister team Thunder Down Under! Good luck to all teams!

[FirstFan2011]

I saw team 967 paired with 525 in Minneapolis. They might be a player in this division.

[Clinton Bolinger]

Team 2337 is excited to be on Galileo with some of the best teams in FIRST.

See you all in St. Louis.

-Clinton-

[SuzyQ.42]

This is going to be fun. Looking forward to competing with such awesome teams!

[Phoenix Spud]

3132 will be in Galileo for the second year in a row!

Galileo might become known as the "Aussie Division!" :ahh:

[Joe Ross]

Similar to what I did in previous years (http://www.chiefdelphi.com/forums/showpost.php?p=735425&postcount=165), I ran through 100 simulated qualification match schedules (all 148 matches, using the FIRST match generator). I used each team's highest opr at any event for their contribution to a match. I calculated the standings for each of the 100 simulated qualification schedules, and then looked at some statistics from the aggregate results.

Team OPR Avg Rnk Med Rnk Mod Rnk SD Rnk Max Rnk Min Rnk #1 seed Top 8 Avg QP Med QP Mode QP StdevQP Max QP Min QP
111 73.92 5.68 4 1 6.6 43 1 31 81 17.57 18 18 2.15 20 10
1114 71.88 5.96 3 2 7.0 36 1 15 83 17.48 18 18 2.27 20 10
254 71.59 5.39 3.5 2 4.9 25 1 16 82 17.55 18 18 2.01 20 12
48 56.18 15.94 12 16 13.8 66 1 6 39 14.78 15 16 3.11 20 6
341 55.71 11.31 8 3 9.2 42 1 4 52 15.79 16 16 2.54 20 10
1985 55.65 12.14 8 7 10.9 53 1 5 53 15.71 16 18 2.68 20 8
2137 53.35 15.44 13 9 10.7 50 1 2 26 14.75 16 16 2.46 20 8
359 51.85 16.46 11.5 10 13.8 66 1 5 34 14.79 16 16 3.17 20 6
967 50.98 17.16 15 10 12.2 50 1 4 29 14.54 14 16 2.99 20 8
469 50.56 18.29 14.5 13 12.3 52 1 3 23 14.15 14 14 2.72 20 8
935 47.66 17.78 16 24 11.2 65 1 1 22 14.19 14 16 2.52 18 6
399 45.99 21.9 17 12 14.9 66 2 0 17 13.53 14 14 2.90 18 6
294 45.80 19.24 16 11 12.3 57 2 0 18 14.03 14 14 2.69 20 8
1218 45.52 21.73 19.5 27 13.0 59 2 0 15 13.46 14 14 2.76 20 7
63 45.52 20.55 18 12 14.1 66 1 1 20 13.93 14 16 2.85 20 7
973 43.66 22.93 19.5 19 14.5 66 2 0 14 13.37 14 14 2.91 20 6
610 42.84 25.36 24 27 15.5 67 2 0 13 12.91 12.5 12 3.00 20 6
2337 42.48 25.93 24.5 9 16.7 69 1 2 15 12.85 13 14 3.22 20 6
1056 42.46 24.56 22 40 15.0 65 2 0 14 13.12 14 14 3.02 20 6
548 42.42 24.7 23.5 15 13.9 67 1 1 10 13.12 13 14 2.80 20 6
40 40.63 23.91 21 12 16.5 77 2 0 16 13.17 14 12 3.18 20 4
1425 38.44 26.66 25 13 15.5 81 3 0 12 12.72 12 12 2.92 18 4
1868 37.73 27.74 23 22 17.3 83 1 2 9 12.54 14 14 3.29 20 4
1885 37.59 28.43 26 39 16.1 68 4 0 7 12.4 12 12 2.91 18 6
395 37.48 32.4 29 29 18.9 80 3 0 13 11.73 12 12 3.45 18 4
1771 36.86 28.8 28 21 16.3 74 3 0 12 12.34 12 14 3.12 20 5
1334 36.82 30 26 23 17.6 86 2 0 5 12.21 12 14 3.32 20 2
694 36.60 29.14 27 18 14.9 64 4 0 10 12.29 12 14 2.82 18 6
195 35.83 29.09 28.5 38 14.6 80 2 0 5 12.26 12 12 2.78 20 4
175 35.26 33.55 32.5 53 17.6 80 5 0 6 11.52 12 10 3.16 18 4
1086 34.92 31.78 33 27 17.1 70 2 0 12 11.91 12 10 3.27 20 6
292 33.35 34.93 33 31 15.6 77 8 0 1 11.36 12 12 2.87 18 4
230 32.28 35.27 31.5 27 18.5 85 2 0 4 11.27 12 12 3.43 20 2
1714 32.14 34.46 30.5 28 17.0 85 4 0 2 11.34 12 12 3.01 18 2
70 31.59 36.92 37 40 15.9 76 1 1 1 10.88 11 12 2.86 20 4
1197 31.29 35.07 34.5 30 17.3 79 3 0 2 11.24 12 12 3.05 18 4
1098 31.01 37.47 35 41 18.2 80 2 0 4 10.87 12 12 3.19 18 4
476 30.34 36.13 34 12 17.7 85 5 0 3 11.23 12 12 3.24 18 2
1429 30.08 34.33 31 39 17.3 82 1 1 2 11.41 12 12 3.15 20 4
295 28.86 36.33 36 36 17.6 84 2 0 4 11.21 11.5 12 3.29 20 2
188 27.99 42.66 42 53 16.6 84 7 0 2 10.04 10 10 3.03 18 2
1305 26.52 40.01 38.5 34 17.7 86 3 0 4 10.54 10 10 3.17 18 2
3824 25.86 42.17 42 32 18.1 87 8 0 1 10.24 10 12 3.24 18 2
93 24.95 41.87 38.5 28 17.0 81 9 0 0 10.21 10 12 2.76 16 4
281 23.85 45.87 46.5 56 16.6 82 12 0 0 9.58 10 8 2.74 15 4
173 20.05 48.08 47 47 16.1 85 12 0 0 9.33 10 10 2.79 16 2
3393 18.41 50.99 54.5 58 18.4 85 11 0 0 8.95 8 8 3.11 16 2
1816 15.60 49.97 50.5 54 17.6 87 13 0 0 9.16 9 8 2.87 16 3
2073 15.60 56.9 59 68 17.1 85 20 0 0 8.01 8 6 2.93 14 2
433 15.45 54.66 55.5 65 17.3 86 18 0 0 8.26 8 8 2.98 15 2
2199 13.01 58.04 58 47 16.7 88 13 0 0 7.79 8 10 2.96 15 0
3504 12.07 60.58 61 67 15.9 88 11 0 0 7.32 8 8 2.76 16 2
3464 12.05 58.33 58 48 17.1 87 15 0 0 7.7 8 8 3.01 14 1
3487 11.86 57.24 58 69 17.9 87 11 0 0 7.94 8 10 3.08 16 2
2472 11.78 59.98 62 79 18.4 88 13 0 0 7.4 7.5 6 3.22 16 0
3729 11.63 60.49 60 78 16.5 88 17 0 0 7.29 8 8 3.11 14 0
2607 11.30 63.5 64.5 78 15.4 88 22 0 0 6.94 7 8 2.76 14 0
1099 11.01 56.64 58 78 16.3 87 11 0 0 8.14 8 8 2.80 16 0
1188 10.75 59.63 60.5 60 18.7 87 4 0 1 7.57 8 10 3.32 18 2
1094 10.12 60.57 60 60 16.8 87 21 0 0 7.46 8 10 2.99 14 1
1646 10.09 57.44 58 68 16.4 87 18 0 0 8.03 8 6 2.84 14 0
1522 10.08 60.15 62 62 17.1 88 15 0 0 7.49 8 8 3.11 14 0
884 9.71 57.12 59 49 17.5 88 11 0 0 8.01 8 8 3.04 16 2
3574 7.34 61.13 64 73 19.6 88 8 0 1 7.31 8 8 3.52 18 0
1557 7.12 63.29 64 83 14.3 87 16 0 0 7.05 7 6 2.62 15 2
3374 6.79 59.68 60 66 17.3 87 21 0 0 7.53 8 8 3.10 14 2
357 6.68 62.17 64 71 15.4 88 16 0 0 7.14 7.5 8 2.74 14 0
751 6.64 64.79 68 74 17.7 88 19 0 0 6.71 6 6 3.24 14 0
1266 6.52 62.73 66.5 69 18.2 88 4 0 1 7.13 6 6 3.35 18 0
1706 6.21 63.02 65 81 17.1 88 12 0 0 7.12 8 6 3.11 16 0
3711 5.99 64.35 67.5 62 17.1 88 15 0 0 6.77 6 6 3.23 16 0
1288 5.75 62.41 65 36 17.4 88 22 0 0 7.1 6.5 6 3.17 13 0
159 5.24 67.09 70.5 88 17.2 88 15 0 0 6.31 6 6 3.19 15 0
1444 5.14 65.92 68 61 15.2 88 23 0 0 6.67 6 6 2.88 14 0
3397 4.82 67.17 69.5 73 14.8 88 15 0 0 6.37 6 6 2.77 16 0
3645 4.38 67.01 69.5 72 14.0 88 34 0 0 6.43 6 6 2.60 12 2
3588 3.72 66.94 71 81 15.6 88 32 0 0 6.49 6 8 2.88 12 0
329 3.56 69.34 72 72 14.5 88 35 0 0 5.99 6 6 2.90 12 0
3526 3.02 66.54 70 54 16.6 88 16 0 0 6.48 6 6 3.10 14 0
999 2.87 68.78 71 70 14.0 88 32 0 0 6.17 6 6 2.68 12 0
3528 2.79 69.08 72.5 85 13.9 88 31 0 0 6.04 6 6 2.67 12 0
3527 1.59 69.66 73 84 14.1 88 24 0 0 6.01 6 6 2.71 13 0
3466 0.36 72.22 77 88 14.5 88 25 0 0 5.51 5.5 4 2.83 14 0
1212 -0.45 72.58 75.5 86 12.9 88 42 0 0 5.43 6 6 2.68 10 0
3132 -0.65 72.83 75.5 85 12.5 88 34 0 0 5.57 6 6 2.48 12 0
1700 -2.74 76.83 78.5 87 10.2 88 46 0 0 4.86 4 6 2.32 10 0
151 -4.18 72.66 76.5 88 12.9 88 33 0 0 5.65 6 4 2.65 12 0
3750 -5.61 74.03 77 88 13.1 88 31 0 0 5.24 6 6 2.83 12 0

[Travis Hoffman]

Similar to what I did in previous years (http://www.chiefdelphi.com/forums/showpost.php?p=735425&postcount=165), I ran through 100 simulated qualification match schedules (all 148 matches, using the FIRST match generator). I used each team's highest opr at any event for their contribution to a match. I calculated the standings for each of the 100 simulated qualification schedules, and then looked at some statistics from the aggregate results.



Thanks, Joe.

And here, I thought it was just me when I got the impression we got horrible CMP match schedules every year. Gives me really warm fuzzies that you're using the actual match pairing algorithm, and it tends to derate us relative to those with similar OPR inputs after dozens of schedule runs..... :rolleyes:

Makes one wonder if there's a low team number handicap somehow inherent within the algorithm...a greater tendency to be paired with higher numbered teams...vestiges of the AOD...who knows!

[The Lucas]

Makes one wonder if there's a low team number handicap somehow inherent within the algorithm...a greater tendency to be paired with higher numbered teams...vestiges of the AOD...who knows!

Maybe only if (team_number == 48) :p Teams 63 and 40 seem to do a bit better than those with similar OPR.

If there is a such thing as scheduler karma, then the question is what did you do? :D

[Travis Hoffman]

Oh, you know us...kicking puppies and stealing candy from babies and all. :rolleyes:

[Steve W]

Oh, you know us...kicking puppies and stealing candy from babies and all. :rolleyes:

Leave my candy alone!!!!

[JennaBrown]

To start I would like to congratulate all of the teams who are coming to nationals in St. Louis! All of your hard work and dedication is paying off!
Like any other competition there are some things that are bound to happen. Programs aren't going to run right, things will break, and countless of other things could go wrong (knock on wood!). But have no fear, MOEbile Pit will be there! For years MOE 365 has run a successful "mobile pit" which consists of a team of students that helps other teams with any problems that they encounter. But this year we are stepping into the 21st century with the help of Twitter! If at any time during the competition your team finds themselves in need of help, Tweet @MOEbilePit with your problem/request! This is an experimental way of communication through which other FIRST teams can connect to our MOEbile Pit when they need assistance! If you have any questions feel free to post them, or Tweet them to @MOEbilePit .
In the words of my greatest inspiration, Dean Kamen, "Good luck, and see you in St. Louis!"

[JesseK]

If at any time during the competition your team finds themselves in need of help, Tweet @MOEbilePit with your problem/request! This is an experimental way of communication through which other FIRST teams can connect to our MOEbile Pit when they need assistance! If you have any questions feel free to post them, or Tweet them to @MOEbilePit .
In the words of my greatest inspiration, Dean Kamen, "Good luck, and see you in St. Louis!"

This ... is an incredible idea that has many different avenues it can expand to. I'll work some stuff up on the plane ride over and come talk to you guys! Just ... wow!

[martin417]

To start I would like to congratulate all of the teams who are coming to nationals in St. Louis! All of your hard work and dedication is paying off!
Like any other competition there are some things that are bound to happen. Programs aren't going to run right, things will break, and countless of other things could go wrong (knock on wood!). But have no fear, MOEbile Pit will be there! For years MOE 365 has run a successful "mobile pit" which consists of a team of students that helps other teams with any problems that they encounter. But this year we are stepping into the 21st century with the help of Twitter! If at any time during the competition your team finds themselves in need of help, Tweet @MOEbilePit with your problem/request! This is an experimental way of communication through which other FIRST teams can connect to our MOEbile Pit when they need assistance! If you have any questions feel free to post them, or Tweet them to @MOEbilePit .
In the words of my greatest inspiration, Dean Kamen, "Good luck, and see you in St. Louis!"

Thanks, we may take you up on the offer! We decided not to pull a trailer this year, so we will have a VERY limited pit (we are not bringing decorations, trophies, banners etc. We even left the bottom half of our toolbox). We may prevail upon you guys to borrow tools etc. We only have five kids attending too, so things will interesting.

[Racer26]

9:57 AM Q141 1114/254/1706 v 3711/1197/329

Preview of elimination alliance?

[AnibaS]

Galileo seems to be the only field without a match schedule up yet.

[Racer26]

It was up more than half an hour ago when I posted that.

[Mark McLeod]

You can find it under Match Results.

Interestingly enough it already has the Elimination round results posted...

[JamesBrown]

You can find it under Match Results.

Interestingly enough it already has the Elimination round results posted...

Yeah, rough for 1114 and 254 neither got picked

Some matches that should be high scoring (based on Total Alliance OPR)

#27 Blue Alliance OPR 145.67
#37 Red Alliance OPR 153.8 (Blue has an OPR of 115 this is the highest 6 robot OPR on Galileo)
#56 Red Alliance 157.98
#83 Red Alliance 166.19 (Highest alliance OPR)
#85 Red Alliance 146.91
#128 Blue Alliance 145.3
#131 Blue Alliance 159.38
#141 Red Alliance 149.68

[JamesBrown]

Since Ian did it for the other divisions

Match Number, Red alliance OPR, Blue Alliance OPR, then Difference (Red-Blue)

1 39.79 120.71 -80.92
2 3.93 22.08 -18.15
3 108.24 113.59 -5.35
4 90.51 66.77 23.74
5 28.17 62.54 -34.37
6 122.25 76.79 45.46
7 62.02 104.79 -42.77
8 51.77 142.88 -91.11
9 49.23 87.96 -38.73
10 99.66 57.97 41.69
11 112.51 26.11 86.4
12 58.23 35.85 22.38
13 103.46 45.5 57.96
14 131.43 93.29 38.14
15 15.65 74.46 -58.81
16 10.29 111.12 -100.83
17 97.72 45.42 52.3
18 80.14 73.92 6.22
19 108.22 127.15 -18.93
20 61.41 58.89 2.52
21 108.78 49.16 59.62
22 83.54 42.95 40.59
23 45.8 108.68 -62.88
24 40.33 63.55 -23.22
25 57.41 84.75 -27.34
26 44.84 112.5 -67.66
27 54.24 145.67 -91.43
28 46.14 41.39 4.75
29 121.36 64.32 57.04
30 115.68 50.02 65.66
31 19.03 53.69 -34.66
32 66.4 103.96 -37.56
33 83.71 82.48 1.23
34 53.48 67.83 -14.35
35 8.66 64.8 -56.14
36 56.96 90.29 -33.33
37 153.86 115.04 38.82
38 83.21 55.64 27.57
39 92.36 14.91 77.45
40 85.63 112.06 -26.43
41 95.35 8.39 86.96
42 120.42 72.31 48.11
43 30.5 104.65 -74.15
44 91.89 52.24 39.65
45 73.76 55.51 18.25
46 34.85 115.92 -81.07
47 98.7 122.53 -23.83
48 66.67 14.13 52.54
49 36.06 52.69 -16.63
50 19.64 80.97 -61.33
51 15.77 106.36 -90.59
52 111.87 80.11 31.76
53 31.46 122.23 -90.77
54 32.62 76.04 -43.42
55 90.56 85.88 4.68
56 157.98 76.87 81.11
57 17.8 95.77 -77.97
58 75.71 130.37 -54.66
59 41.49 52.74 -11.25
60 82.46 69.56 12.9
61 107.69 48.48 59.21
62 122.32 116.73 5.59
63 62.47 76.54 -14.07
64 33.32 56.9 -23.58
65 85 50.59 34.41
66 49.23 67.11 -17.88
67 76.02 70.11 5.91
68 70.65 55.5 15.15
69 57.72 52.12 5.6
70 69.58 63.26 6.32
71 133.67 109.57 24.1
72 67.71 61.08 6.63
73 72.9 134.43 -61.53
74 34.63 49.25 -14.62
75 96.38 91.03 5.35
76 43.04 23.7 19.34
77 82.61 58.21 24.4
78 37.74 91.31 -53.57
79 76.88 10.46 66.42
80 85.82 117.08 -31.26
81 138.28 25.96 112.32
82 49.28 24 25.28
83 166.19 21.59 144.6
84 98.3 121.72 -23.42
85 146.91 120.08 26.83
86 48.29 68.17 -19.88
87 109.29 49.26 60.03
88 98.25 23.79 74.46
89 74.28 8.53 65.75
90 119.92 60.09 59.83
91 52.45 89.12 -36.67
92 110.13 73.17 36.96
93 82.46 87.07 -4.61
94 81.01 78 3.01
95 22.96 62.98 -40.02
96 89.12 67.87 21.25
97 52.92 83.41 -30.49
98 73.14 43.69 29.45
99 95.17 92.6 2.57
100 56.37 98.36 -41.99
101 111.95 67 44.95
102 59.42 128.01 -68.59
103 73.33 56.7 16.63
104 58.08 74.82 -16.74
105 32.34 142.77 -110.43
106 79.5 75.26 4.24
107 71.24 28.21 43.03
108 79.3 22.08 57.22
109 112.18 96.91 15.27
110 133.19 33.69 99.5
111 119.05 47.82 71.23
112 59.1 63.28 -4.18
113 124.15 78.86 45.29
114 52.26 50.24 2.02
115 35.67 106.87 -71.2
116 107.1 86.25 20.85
117 20.61 80.61 -60
118 93.63 42.47 51.16
119 78.61 36.37 42.24
120 66.52 54.83 11.69
121 122.83 79.26 43.57
122 94.34 75.87 18.47
123 36.26 49.02 -12.76
124 129.05 50.65 78.4
125 60.86 68.01 -7.15
126 124.67 74.3 50.37
127 12.68 68.23 -55.55
128 59.91 145.3 -85.39
129 97.7 24.62 73.08
130 35.63 79.28 -43.65
131 76.94 159.58 -82.64
132 51.98 31.21 20.77
133 50.18 93.19 -43.01
134 84.5 84.57 -0.07
135 79.97 91.88 -11.91
136 19.55 71.06 -51.51
137 108.78 90.22 18.56
138 53.09 53.77 -0.68
139 61.11 53.95 7.16
140 48.51 104.74 -56.23
141 149.68 40.84 108.84
142 97.08 43.24 53.84
143 85.76 14.68 71.08
144 34.29 65.93 -31.64
145 113.23 109.78 3.45
146 46.87 94.1 -47.23
147 52.44 83.5 -31.06


Haha, first match to be tweeted after I posted this was match 19 predicted 108-127 actual 107-126, obviously it isnt usually that close but I was shocked.

[Mark McLeod]

Haha, first match to be tweeted after I posted this was match 19 predicted 108-127 actual 107-126, obviously it isnt usually that close but I was shocked.
So cool!
I love math...:)

[Ian Curtis]

So cool!
I love math...:)

Yeah... OPR is 18/19 predicting the winner on Curie. :eek:

[JamesBrown]

Yeah... OPR is 18/19 predicting the winner on Curie. :eek:

15/20 on Galileo.

[Ian Curtis]

For your amusement, here are the predicted top 8 (no surrogates affecting these).

Team #, OPR, QS, RS

254 71.59 20 649.31
1114 71.88 18 696.43
294 45.8 18 622.38
2137 53.35 18 618.73
1771 36.86 18 607.84
469 50.56 16 722
111 73.92 16 674.89
341 55.71 16 651.55

[kendalls]

For your amusement, here are the predicted top 8 (no surrogates affecting these).
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More for my amusement than anything else I created an OPR match predictor for the Galileo division. It can be modded for any of the other divisions (or for any tournament for that matter), but it isn't super easy. I posted it here: http://www.chiefdelphi.com/forums/showthread.php?&t=94888. My spreadsheet also allows you to enter in the actual match results, so it'll get more accurate as more and more matches are played.

[nikeairmancurry]

A full rack on this field... Congrats 469/254/195.... Too bad on the uber tube part

[Warlord]

Some matches that should be high scoring (based on Total Alliance OPR)
...
#56 Red Alliance 157.98
...

A full rack on this field... Congrats 469/254/195.... Too bad on the uber tube part

Heh, turned out that prediction was pretty accurate. Very impressive to watch that wall of tubes get built, and with 20 seconds to spare!

Anyone got a video of that match? We're trying to figure out who scored the most tubes, we think 195 scored 7 or so of them.

[Karibou]

Galileo, you guys have been great on and off the field. Hopefully tomorrow will go just as smoothly, even with the change of field.


However, our refs have gotten really good at catching the tubes that are flying at them and the table...did anyone see when the green-red-blue light got capped earlier? :p

[Bryany]

Anyone got a video of that match? We're trying to figure out who scored the most tubes, we think 195 scored 7 or so of them.

We were queued up behind Red when that match took place. It seemed like 254 was doing a lot of the scoring, but I didn't really keep track. Our team is capturing the live camera feed, and will probably post the videos once all is over. Of course, that doesn't help much now.:rolleyes:

[Tom Bottiglieri]

Heh, turned out that prediction was pretty accurate. Very impressive to watch that wall of tubes get built, and with 20 seconds to spare!

Anyone got a video of that match? We're trying to figure out who scored the most tubes, we think 195 scored 7 or so of them.
195 did 7. 469 did 6. 254 did 5. 469 and 254 minibotted.

[Brandon Holley]

195 did 7. 469 did 6. 254 did 5. 469 and 254 minibotted.

While 195 spun in a circle at mid-field...

-Brando

[Racer26]

What happened to 1114 in match Q71?

Thats the second match they've lost all year, the first one was way back in wk 2 at Pittsburgh, and was only by 13 pts. This one they lost by 69.

[ervtech]

the same thing that happened in 2009 ;)

1218 remains a force to be reckoned with, especially when paired with 469

[Lil' Lavery]

the same thing that happened in 2009 ;)

1218 remains a force to be reckoned with, especially when paired with 469

A lot of teams look really good when they're paired with 469. ;)

To be fair, 1218 has already handed both 1114 and 111 losses. Quite a start for you guys.

[ervtech]

I wish i was there so badly, i was on the drive team in 2009 when we went to Einstein but unfortunately i graduated last year and have turned it over to my little brother. He is not doing too bad of a job though i have to say. We have a pretty good history when paired with 469 and also when we go against 1114. In the matches we have played against them as far back as i can remember we are 3-1.

[AndyH]

We were with 1114 in Q 71. It wasn't their fault AT ALL. We (1098) were really hoping to be great alliance partners for them. Instead, our main breaker failed and we were dead after the first 2 seconds. (It had been hit by a bot in a previous match, but we didn't realize it was hurt.) We feel terrible!! We did get it fixed, and our next match was actually the new high score on Galileo. That doesn't help 1114, though. You can imagine how the kids are beating themselves up about that loss. Our sincere apologies to both of our alliance partners. Good luck for the rest of the competition. We are rooting for you!

The opposing alliance was also fantastic! Congrats to you!

[JesseK]

Going into Q71, we went in that match knowing our overall alliances were evenly matched in stats other than OPR (thank you scouts!). Tubes hung, autos completed, and top 2 minibots were both about dead-even. Everyone has that one bad match every now and then though. It does show that any number of things can happen at the champs. While we did our part with 1 logo and a tiny defensive nudge at the end, 469/1218 put on a good show.

There's a good assortment of teams on Galileo. Some teams are outstanding at placing tubes (3 teams have placed 45+ tubes in 8-9 matches), some have good auto-modes (1 team has put up 10 ubertubes in 8 matches), and some teams have good, consistent minibots (NONE have a perfect record ... though I admit there is a chance we missed one due to fatigue). Yet surprisingly, those three game objectives are somewhat mutually exclusive. According to our scouts' data, there are only 2 teams that are outstanding at all three objectives, whereas there are many teams that are GREAT at one and good at another.

Reliability in auton and minibot hasn't been quite where we'd expect it. Only 7 teams have a >78% autonomous reliability and only 8 teams have a >78% minibot reliability. Those two stats are mutually exclusive for the most part.

JVN is wise indeed.

[RMiller]

Reliability in auton and minibot hasn't been quite where we'd expect it. Only 7 teams have a >78% autonomous reliability and only 8 teams have a >78% minibot reliability. Those two stats are mutually exclusive for the most part.


Jesse, one question: if I understand you correctly, a team with 7/9 (77.7%) for these two measures is not counted, correct?

If this is not correct and 7/9 is counted, how much does it change when dropping to 75% (6/8) as the cutoff? I ask because about half the teams have yet to complete their 9th match.

[JesseK]

Didn't realize about the 8/9 match thing at the time -- I simply counted the # of teams who have hung 7+ tubes, and assumed an average of 9 matches played. Using a correction from 1094's Galileo scouting paper, it appears that about half have played 8, half have played 9; I also took the opportunity to correct 2 teams' auto modes, and now get 8 teams with 7+ ubertubes. Yet I also have circled teams who've hung 1 in the last 5 straight auto modes and that # is 7, so I figure I'm not too far off. Even if it's 10-15, it seems low for what we should see at the championships -- especially for an autonomous mode that's nearly identical (if not easier) than what we saw 4 years ago.

[RMiller]

Hmm... looking at the data from 1094, I see the following:
254 and 1114 averaging for than one ubertube (2 teams).
548, 2137, averaging one ubertube (2 teams).
111, 610, 357, 40, 1885, 2337, 967, 1218, and 230 missing once (9 teams - four of whom have only played eight matches).

The other assumption is that we are only interested at this point in top row ubertubes.

I am not present at the competition, so all I have to go on are other's reports.

[Lil' Lavery]

Didn't realize about the 8/9 match thing at the time -- I simply counted the # of teams who have hung 7+ tubes, and assumed an average of 9 matches played. Using a correction from 1094's Galileo scouting paper, it appears that about half have played 8, half have played 9; I also took the opportunity to correct 2 teams' auto modes, and now get 8 teams with 7+ ubertubes. Yet I also have circled teams who've hung 1 in the last 5 straight auto modes and that # is 7, so I figure I'm not too far off. Even if it's 10-15, it seems low for what we should see at the championships -- especially for an autonomous mode that's nearly identical (if not easier) than what we saw 4 years ago.

2011 is absolutely easier than 2007 in terms of scoring in autonomous. And this is coming from someone who scored in autonomous in 2007 and not in 2011.

2007's goal would be re-oriented randomly, with three axes of freedom, before each match and had only one viable sensing option, which was a someone difficult to use camera tracking. Not to mention the scoring rack itself would shake when contacted by a robot. Dead reckoning autonomous codes would sometimes work, but were very low%. 2011 has a stationary target, no opponent interference (there were teams that would bumrush the other side of the field in auto in 07), and multiple sensing options.

[RMiller]

2010 is absolutely easier than 2007 in terms of scoring in autonomous. And this is coming from someone who scored in autonomous in 2007 and not in 2010.

2007's goal would be re-oriented randomly, with three axes of freedom, before each match and had only one viable sensing option, which was a someone difficult to use camera tracking. Not to mention the scoring rack itself would shake when contacted by a robot. Dead reckoning autonomous codes would sometimes work, but were very low%. 2010 has a stationary target, no opponent interference (there were teams that would bumrush the other side of the field in auto in 07), and multiple sensing options.

I agree with you Sean, though I have seen some opponent interference. I am actually surprised it isn't used more often, particularly against teams that can score twice in autonomous.

[Lil' Lavery]

Scenario:
1771 - 1st
111 - 9th
1114- 10th

I haven't watched enough of 1771 to get a feel for how 1114 feels about them. 1114's goal is clearly to win it all, and if they feel they can build a better alliance from the 7th or 8th spot, they could decline. Suppose that 111 is then picked next (or other picks before them decline). If I'm Raul, maybe I say "no" just because I feel that 1114 might be left in the 9th or 10th spot when all is said and done, and entirely out of the eliminations.

Could be really really interesting.

Though I doubt 1114 says no knowing this risk.

[Marc P.]

Galileo Alliances

1. 1771, 1114, 294
2. 254, 111, 973
3. 399, 40, 175
4. 469, 610, 188
5. 694, 195, 341
6. 2337, 548, 70
7. 2137, 967, 935
8. 1706, 1056, 1218

[jblay]

I wanted to get this out there before I went to sleep for the next 20 ours.
http://www.usfirst.org/uploadedFiles/Robotics_Programs/FRC/Game_and_Season__Info/2011_Assets/Team_Updates/Team%20Update%2016.pdf
It seemed like the refs on galileo missed this update entirely when they made their ruling on the first match of the finals. Overall the referring seemed sub par on galileo and it might just be me being upset about some of the questionable calls against us in the eliminations but this rule seems to clearly state the opposite of the ruling in the first match of the finals.

[Nemo]

I wanted to get this out there before I went to sleep for the next 20 ours.
http://www.usfirst.org/uploadedFiles/Robotics_Programs/FRC/Game_and_Season__Info/2011_Assets/Team_Updates/Team%20Update%2016.pdf
It seemed like the refs on galileo missed this update entirely when they made their ruling on the first match of the finals. Overall the referring seemed sub par on galileo and it might just be me being upset about some of the questionable calls against us in the eliminations but this rule seems to clearly state the opposite of the ruling in the first match of the finals.

The thing is, 469 had a tube while they were pushing 254 into their zone. That leaves at least three possible motives:

1) Trying to get the tube in to score.
2) Playing defense on 254.
3) Attempting the 'one move win.'

All three are pretty plausible. I don't think one can so quickly say that the refs did a bad job on this call. The "G61 does not apply" update and the updates to the update are poorly conceived, because the refs have to guess the motives of the drivers in addition to observing what happens on the field. The rules put the refs in a pretty tough spot on this one. I personally wouldn't fault the refs for calling this one in either team's favor.

[jblay]

The thing is, 469 had a tube while they were pushing 254 into their zone. That leaves at least three possible motives:

1) Trying to get the tube in to score.
2) Playing defense on 254.
3) Attempting the 'one move win.'

All three are pretty plausible. I don't think one can so quickly say that the refs did a bad job on this call. The "G61 does not apply" update and the updates to the update are poorly conceived, because the refs have to guess the motives of the drivers in addition to observing what happens on the field. The rules put the refs in a pretty tough spot on this one. I personally wouldn't fault the refs for calling this one in either team's favor.

So does that mean if my bot is holding a tube I can pull off the one move win and have a god strategy in eliminations? Seems like the entire purpose of the rule is to prevent any way of making a one move win. The rule states that an attempt to do this will be seen as "egregious behavior" instantly which means that intent should not matter.

[Dr.Bot]

I saw most of this match on streaming and it seemed a sure win for the 254 allianc - then I lost the feed, When it came back I just caught the end of the explanation of the ruling disqualifying - giving a red card and zeroing out the score. It certainly didn't make sense. Getting disqualified because someone pushed you into a position when you are powerless to defend yourself? I thought a red card meant you were disqualified from playing the rest of the day. That would of been something!



I wanted to get this out there before I went to sleep for the next 20 ours.
http://www.usfirst.org/uploadedFiles/Robotics_Programs/FRC/Game_and_Season__Info/2011_Assets/Team_Updates/Team%20Update%2016.pdf
It seemed like the refs on galileo missed this update entirely when they made their ruling on the first match of the finals. Overall the referring seemed sub par on galileo and it might just be me being upset about some of the questionable calls against us in the eliminations but this rule seems to clearly state the opposite of the ruling in the first match of the finals.

[Karibou]

I wanted to get this out there before I went to sleep for the next 20 ours.
http://www.usfirst.org/uploadedFiles/Robotics_Programs/FRC/Game_and_Season__Info/2011_Assets/Team_Updates/Team%20Update%2016.pdf
It seemed like the refs on galileo missed this update entirely when they made their ruling on the first match of the finals. Overall the referring seemed sub par on galileo and it might just be me being upset about some of the questionable calls against us in the eliminations but this rule seems to clearly state the opposite of the ruling in the first match of the finals.
I'm sure that Aidan Browne didn't miss that update. He, our head ref, and the rest of the referees spent several minutes discussing it before coming to the decision. Given that we don't know what was going on in the minds of the two drive teams, there was likely some slight guesswork involved regarding motive. I believe that student representatives from both 254 and 469 were also given a very specific explanation of the ruling.

That ruling wasn't going to make everyone happy regardless of the outcome.

[jblay]

I'm sure that Aidan Browne didn't miss that update. He, our head ref, and the rest of the referees spent several minutes discussing it before coming to the decision. Given that we don't know what was going on in the minds of the two drive teams, there was likely some slight guesswork involved regarding motive. I believe that student representatives from both 254 and 469 were also given a very specific explanation of the ruling.

That ruling wasn't going to make everyone happy regardless of the outcome.

But I can't figure any interpretation of the rule where the penalty should be called that way. Either the one move win didn't happen and the poofs shouldn't have been carded or it did happen and the ones that should have been carded was the other alliance. In no scenario that I can see should the poofs take a red card like they did.

[Steve W]

<G32> Neither ROBOTS, HOSTBOTS, nor MINIBOTS may break the planes of the vertically
projected borders of the opponent‟s ZONES, including a GAME PIECE in their POSSESSION.
Momentary incursions by a POSSESSED GAME PIECE will not be penalized if they do not
make contact with anything in the ZONE.
Violation: PENALTY. G61 does not apply to this rule, however strategies aimed at taking
advantage of this exception will result in a PENALTY plus a YELLOW CARD. If a ROBOT
enters the opponent's ZONE and does not make immediate effort to leave OR if it contacts
another ROBOT (or GAME PIECE in its POSSESSION) also in the ZONE, then the intruding
TEAM will receive a RED CARD

<G32> allows ROBOTS to complete HANGING a GAME PIECE, as designed,
without being hindered.

Red highlight is mine. The intent of the rule is obvious. I was standing at the side of the field and made the comment at the time that it would be a red card. The blue alliance robot made no attempt to get out of the way of the scoring robot, the red robot went directly to the wal and scored, the blue robot continually drove straight ahead into the red robot without reversing at all to get out of the way.

If the red team did not have a tube and did not drive directly to the wall and score then I do not believe the penalty would have been the same.

[jblay]

<G32> Neither ROBOTS, HOSTBOTS, nor MINIBOTS may break the planes of the vertically
projected borders of the opponent‟s ZONES, including a GAME PIECE in their POSSESSION.
Momentary incursions by a POSSESSED GAME PIECE will not be penalized if they do not
make contact with anything in the ZONE.
Violation: PENALTY. G61 does not apply to this rule, however strategies aimed at taking
advantage of this exception will result in a PENALTY plus a YELLOW CARD. If a ROBOT
enters the opponent's ZONE and does not make immediate effort to leave OR if it contacts
another ROBOT (or GAME PIECE in its POSSESSION) also in the ZONE, then the intruding
TEAM will receive a RED CARD

<G32> allows ROBOTS to complete HANGING a GAME PIECE, as designed,
without being hindered.

Red highlight is mine. The intent of the rule is obvious. I was standing at the side of the field and made the comment at the time that it would be a red card. The blue alliance robot made no attempt to get out of the way of the scoring robot, the red robot went directly to the wal and scored, the blue robot continually drove straight ahead into the red robot without reversing at all to get out of the way.

If the red team did not have a tube and did not drive directly to the wall and score then I do not believe the penalty would have been the same.

Yes but the update is making an exception for G32 in the elimination rounds with this update which seems to be the entire point of the update.

A blue ALLIANCE ROBOT is in the blue ZONE. A second blue ALLIANCE ROBOT is outside the
ZONE, but in the general vicinity. A ROBOT from the red ALLIANCE, exiting its LANE, crosses near
the second blue alliance ROBOT. The second blue ALLIANCE ROBOT intentionally pushes the red
ALLIANCE ROBOT in to the blue ZONE. The red ALLIANCE ROBOT contacts the first blue
ALLIANCE ROBOT. This would result normally result in a YELLOW CARD for the second blue
ALLIANCE ROBOT and a RED CARD for the red ALLIANCE ROBOT per Rule <G32>. However, if
this were to occur during an elimination match, this would result in the entire red ALLIANCE being
disqualified per Rule <T13>, and a ‘one move win’ by the blue ALLIANCE.

I guess the interpretation could be that because they were going for the hang that it wasn't intentional pushing but its still intentional its just not for the sake of trying to get cards for the other alliance.

[Steve W]

<G32> allows ROBOTS to complete HANGING a GAME PIECE, as designed,
without being hindered.

The blue highlight was directly from the latest rule revision and applies to this ruling.

[PriyankP]

But I can't figure any interpretation of the rule where the penalty should be called that way. Either the one move win didn't happen and the poofs shouldn't have been carded or it did happen and the ones that should have been carded was the other alliance. In no scenario that I can see should the poofs take a red card like they did.

I think there is some guesswork involved in this matter. If they called it one move win strategy then that would mean that the GDC has to have another rule for teams who'd just sit dangerously close to the line for the offensive team to push them in, it would result in a red card for the team trying to score. A possibly one move strategy.

I'm not saying that 254 tried the "defensive" one move strategy because they didn't. The replay proves that they got really close to the red zone trying to pick up a square. They hit our robot, tube possessed, and then got into a pushing match with 469, again a robot with a tube in possession. The rules could have been more clear on this. But hey, at the end of the day, it didn't matter. The better alliance won. [and gave us something to be happy about for a while.. ;) ]

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Anyways, controversies aside. Galileo was simply amazing this year! Great teams with great robots at the first FIRST Champs in St. Louis! This is probably the most dramatic competition 188 has ever attended. We made it in, got our things ready and packed in less than a week; clocked in at 33rd, were picked by a 4th seed and reached the finals by beating the top seeded alliance in two matches! WOW.

469 & 610, you guys were amazing partners. Too bad it didn't work out in the finals but hey, we made it to the finals against all odds! We were beaten by the best alliance at St. Louis who were truly deserving of the division win. Although we couldn't win Galileo, thank you for making this an amazing experience for us. :)

111, 254, 973: :eek: :eek:


251 days 'till the 2012 FRC season!!

[Jared Russell]

The very day the "one move win" team update came out, one of our mentors observed that you could still pull it off as long as you had a tube in your possession. Good call by him, and a capstone on a very sloppy season for rules updates and consistent interpretations.

I originally wrote a long winded message outlining each of the questionable calls that I personally observed on Galileo, but there is no point in airing all of that in public. In the end, the best alliance in the division won.

See everybody in the offseason.

[Zach O]

111, 610, 357, 40, 1885, 2337, 967, 1218, and 230 missing once (9 teams - four of whom have only played eight matches).

We didn't miss a single ubertube. Actually, we ended up successfully running our two tube in our last qualification match.

[remulasce]

Anybody have any match videos? I was busy driving during quals and packing the crate for half of elims, I'd really love to see some quality vids of the action.