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George A.

15-04-2011, 18:23

Let's here it Archimedes! Time for a roll call!

http://frclinks.com/e/arc

We got some tough competition, but we also have the BEST chant ever!

ARCHI-

George A.

15-04-2011, 18:46

Plus it should be noted that we get to play all day Saturday in the dome, which is an added point of awesomeness for the division.

Vikesrock

15-04-2011, 18:58

-MEDES

I'll be reuniting with 2175 at Champs as the drive coach. They're working on making some changes to improve on the performance from Northstar including upgrading to a competitive minibot.

BX MARK

15-04-2011, 19:13

Michigan is definitely well represented in this division!

The Lucas

15-04-2011, 19:46

Since No one has done OPRs for this division are the Highest Event and Avg OPR (hat tip to Travis) for the teams in Archimedes

Team High OPR Event
74 60.7291 SWN
781 60.2154 OH
330 60.0241 CA
2054 58.5124 MI
33 56.7075 GG
118 55.2418 TX
2512 54.6127 MN2
1023 52.8787 WW
3539 48.996 GL
3098 45.6004 WC
2016 45.5644 NJ
876 44.9698 DMN
2984 41.904 NV
177 41.6498 CT
131 38.6893 NH
1629 37.4842 OH
1918 37.4098 GL
931 35.8018 TN
1718 34.8939 GL
2169 34.6839 MN
155 34.3432 MA
190 32.9589 WOR
932 32.7162 KC
229 32.3928 ROC
1323 32.0461 SAC
1477 31.754 TX
191 31.3583 ROC
1510 29.9719 OR
2949 28.1996 IL
846 27.6427 SJ
1690 27.4438 IS
1640 27.3061 PA
537 25.9575 MN2
3494 25.6909 OH
360 25.671 OR
3322 25.0228 WC
2175 23.1686 MN2
701 20.8712 SJ
1622 20.5729 SD
3256 19.1373 SJ
3467 18.5745 NH
3010 16.807 OH
766 16.6641 SAC
45 16.518 IL
503 14.2064 OC
3506 13.6588 NC
1014 12.3701 OH
1065 11.4613 FL
3747 10.9545 DMN
303 10.9292 NJ
2549 10.9186 MN2
1912 10.6102 LA
3337 9.93412 LA
2022 9.45619 IL
435 8.3224 NC
597 8.12634 CA
1899 7.51038 WA
167 7.276 WI
2500 6.90599 DMN
1518 5.95738 ROC
1535 4.73256 WAT
862 4.70049 OC1
930 4.61724 WI
1811 3.37661 NY
3481 3.22194 STX
1000 2.90304 IN
1138 2.72916 NH
2543 2.43051 SD
1547 2.0137 NJ
3462 1.97179 AZ
677 1.66849 OH
203 1.48519 PA
2972 1.42871 CO
771 1.3624 ON2
238 1.34784 NH
3616 1.0734 LA
3017 0.215456 NY
3351 -0.102046 IS
108 -1.15645 FL
3642 -2.03709 MN
3780 -3.33934 WOR
1482 -3.66545 ON
3756 -4.16007 WAT
3694 -4.92394 GA
3596 -5.83087 WI
3704 -8.19349 SD
1270 -10.2128 OH

Team Avg OPR Num Events
2054 53.8155 3
2512 52.23295 2
330 51.6438 2
1023 48.207975 4
33 47.43933333 3
118 46.72233333 3
876 44.9698 1
781 43.54946667 3
2016 42.33705 2
131 38.6893 1
74 38.218925 4
3539 37.49723333 3
3098 36.3991 3
177 35.9065 2
1918 33.9614 3
931 31.7403 2
191 31.3583 1
1323 31.1501 2
2984 30.92495 2
1718 30.3627 3
190 30.16275 2
932 29.82075 2
2949 28.1996 1
1629 28.0452 2
1690 27.4438 1
155 26.8762 2
1510 25.782 2
229 25.3176 2
1477 23.5798 2
2175 23.1686 1
846 22.7682 2
2169 22.4821 2
3494 22.16205 2
1622 20.19685 2
537 18.74805 2
1640 18.586195 2
3467 18.5745 1
360 18.3301 2
3322 17.5995 2
3010 16.807 1
3506 13.6588 1
1014 12.3701 1
766 12.17337 2
1065 11.4613 1
3747 10.9545 1
2549 10.9186 1
1912 10.6102 1
303 10.5636 2
3337 9.93412 1
701 9.319155 2
45 8.553902 2
3256 8.34349 2
435 8.3224 1
1899 7.51038 1
167 7.276 1
503 7.1497848 5
1518 5.95738 1
2500 4.76158 2
1535 4.73256 1
930 4.61724 1
2022 3.821695 2
1811 3.37661 1
3481 3.22194 1
1000 2.90304 1
1138 2.52595 2
2543 2.43051 1
677 1.66849 1
203 1.48519 1
862 1.45474 2
2972 1.42871 1
238 1.34784 1
597 1.33366 2
3462 1.27562 1
3616 1.0734 1
1547 0.474045 2
3017 0.215456 1
3351 -0.102046 1
108 -1.15645 1
771 -1.267905 2
3642 -2.03709 1
3780 -3.33934 1
1482 -3.66545 1
3756 -4.16007 1
3694 -4.92394 1
3596 -5.83087 1
3704 -8.19349 1
1270 -10.2128 1

Carolyn_Grace

15-04-2011, 20:04

What is GG? We're, 33, from MI?

tyronott

15-04-2011, 20:09

ARCH-A-MEDES
(clap) (clap) (clap) (clap) (clap)

Vikesrock

15-04-2011, 20:09

What is GG? We're, 33, from MI?

The abbreviations in that list are the event codes where the teams had the highest OPR. GG is the event code for Kettering.

MysterE

15-04-2011, 20:11

Hi all -

Teacher Mentor for Team #3337: Panthrobotics checking in. Looking forward to playing with y'all.

JamesBrown

15-04-2011, 20:11

The abbreviations in that list are the event codes where the teams had the highest OPR. GG is the event code for Kettering.

Any idea why GG is the event code for Kettering, all of the other event codes seem to be abbreviations for either the city or state the event is held in.

Kyoshirin

15-04-2011, 20:12

Maybe it stands for "Generally Good"? =D

Vikesrock

15-04-2011, 20:15

Any idea why GG is the event code for Kettering, all of the other event codes seem to be abbreviations for either the city or state the event is held in.

The Michigan District event codes are based on the name of the District in which they are held. GG stands for the Greater Genesee district.

ATannahill

15-04-2011, 20:18

Really?

wc Ann Arbor MI District
dt Detroit MI District
gg Kettering University MI District
ww Livonia MI District
swm Niles MI District
gt Traverse City MI District
oc Troy MI District
oc1 Waterford MI District
mi West Michigan MI District
gl Michigan State Championship

This seems to be a side effect of the district system.

Kpchem

15-04-2011, 20:19

Team 360 checking in from Washington (The state, not D.C.)

Can't wait to get to St. Louis! This is sure to be a fun and exciting division, based on the teams we've got here.

VKP

15-04-2011, 20:24

Team 1899 Saints Robotics from Washington (State) is present and excited for our first taste of the FIRST Championship!

Vikesrock

15-04-2011, 20:28

Really?

Yep.

wc Wayne County Ann Arbor MI District
dt Detroit Detroit MI District
gg Greater Genesee Kettering University MI District
ww Western Wayne Livonia MI District
swm Southwest Michigan Niles MI District
gt Greater Traverse Traverse City MI District
oc Oakland County Troy MI District
oc1 Oakland County Waterford MI District
mi West Michigan West Michigan MI District

District map can be found here (http://www.firstinmichigan.org/mi_district_map.html)

big1boom

15-04-2011, 20:37

Looks awesome, this is going to be 2022's first time at championship ever, and we excited to have the dome floor Thursday/Saturday.

Refresh

15-04-2011, 20:53

Looks like an awesome field. And we even get the saturday dome field an added bonus!

bladetech932

15-04-2011, 20:58

If the OPR rankings are from the highest of attended regionals then ours should be from OKC where are OPR should be much higher. Am I understanding that correctly?

Vikesrock

15-04-2011, 21:01

If the OPR rankings are from the highest of attended regionals then ours should be from OKC where are OPR should be much higher. Am I understanding that correctly?

Your OPR from Oklahoma City is 26.93 which is lower than the one listed from Kansas City.

bladetech932

15-04-2011, 21:06

OK, then could some one explain what factors in to OPR

tim-tim

15-04-2011, 21:08

I don't know everything, but it is based on alliance scores and not individual robot performance.

I don't know the algorithm, but it is calculated from the FMS feeds

Again, these are just arbitrary numbers...

The Lucas

15-04-2011, 21:12

Yep.

wc Wayne County Ann Arbor MI District
dt Detroit Detroit MI District
gg Greater Genesee Kettering University MI District
ww Western Wayne Livonia MI District
swm Southwest Michigan Niles MI District
gt Greater Traverse Traverse City MI District
oc Oakland County Troy MI District
oc1 Oakland County Waterford MI District
mi West Michigan West Michigan MI District

District map can be found here (http://www.firstinmichigan.org/mi_district_map.html)

Good explanation, Kevin. I have a few more notes. The following 3 Event codes are artifacts of the 3 regionals in Michigan before the District System:

dt Detroit Regional Detroit MI District
mi West Michigan Regional West Michigan MI District
gl Great Lakes Regional Michigan State Championship

These 3 prior regionals is the reason MSC has 18 qualifying spots for Championship. MSC is the only event that can ensure that some of its qualifying spots are filled by a team going to Championship. If a team that is already registered for Championship is in the top 9 of reamining point totals (after the 9 award qualifiers), that spot is then offered to the team with the next highest points in the FiM rankings (at other regionals, this unused spot is offered to the general waitlist). At least that is how I understand the 9 remaining qualifying spots based on the last few years.

Also, Waterford (OC1) is the only event code with a "1" included in it. Other event codes in the same area use a 2 (MN2, ON2, WA2). As a computer engineer, I can understand indexing arrays using starting at zero, but the inconsistency between the 4 events confuses me. MN2 (North Star) started in 09 while the rest are new this year, so Waterford should be OC2 for consistency. When you generate OPRs and use frclinks.com & twitter hashtags as much as I do, the event codes become second nature/shorthand.

MysterE

15-04-2011, 21:13

In the end it comes down to scouting. Our score is lower than it should be in some ways. Once we actually got our robot playing properly (minus the one time when our Autonomous mode actually reversed, ran into the robot behind us, and lodged them into the rear wall), we played with extreme accuracy. Ahh well - next year we will have to go to two regionals.

Vikesrock

15-04-2011, 21:22

OPR is a representation of an individual robots contribution to the score of their alliances. OPR is calculated using matrix algebra. This approach helps to compensate for having stronger or weaker alliance partners.

Ultimately statistics derived from final scores will always have flaws. They are a useful jumping off point, and talking point before the event, but any team worth their salt won't be considering these numbers at all for alliance selection.

bladetech932

15-04-2011, 21:26

Its not a big deal. I was just wondering how the OPR was calculated.

Sharp Cheddar

15-04-2011, 21:27

SWEET! 74 is in Archimedes!

The Lucas

15-04-2011, 21:34

OK, then could some one explain what factors in to OPR

Qualification match scores and partners are the only factors. Here is my most recent explanation (http://www.chiefdelphi.com/forums/showpost.php?p=1049300&postcount=19).

In the end it comes down to scouting. Our score is lower than it should be in some ways. Once we actually got our robot playing properly (minus the one time when our Autonomous mode actually reversed, ran into the robot behind us, and lodged them into the rear wall), we played with extreme accuracy. Ahh well - next year we will have to go to two regionals.

No metric based on prior matches is a replacement for good scouting of individual robots at the competition. These OPRs are calculated for single events and are not calculated across events. The best teams at weak events tend to have a inordinately high OPRs. However IMHO, OPR is better than WLT ranking, Avg score and of course bad scouting (including shout out your team numbers from the crowd). I have seen enough teams struggle through Alliance Selection that would have been much better off running OPRnet on their regional Friday night and just using that list (and hope they pick someone who has a good list based on actual good scouting)

MysterE

15-04-2011, 22:10

However IMHO, OPR is better than WLT ranking, Avg score and of course bad scouting (including shout out your team numbers from the crowd).

Hmm - guess that means I should nix the megaphones - and just when I was getting our round-robin 3337 down with the group. Though on a more serious note, while yelling your numbers doesn't help, I did find that gracious professionalism goes a long way in making a good impression on a top eight team.

BrendanB

15-04-2011, 22:18

3467 Windham Windup is so ready for Archimedes!!!!!

musicgurl1329

15-04-2011, 22:28

Hey everyone! 2016 can't wait to see you all in St Louis! :)

Tyler Hicks

15-04-2011, 22:45

PUMPED for St. Louis!!!!! This is going to be a good one, I see some tough MI teams in this crowd...awesome! Go 1918!!!

Debbie

15-04-2011, 22:49

Bedford Express is eager to meet you all (and eager to play with our Michigan friends some more!!) Playing in the dome on Saturday is icing on the cake! It's going to be a great competition regardless of where we play though!

Archi-

Jack Jones

15-04-2011, 22:49

flippy147852

15-04-2011, 23:02

Archi-

MEDES!!!!

This is going to be an exciting division. With Michigan powerhouses such as 33, 1023, 1718, 1918, 2054 and 3098 represented and traditional powerhouses such as 118, 45, 177, 330, 360, and 1912, eliminations are definitely going to be pretty intense. I second the hope of an all-Michigan alliance going to Einstein .

jcbc

15-04-2011, 23:08

Looking forward to it! Sounds likes it will be intense and yet fun at the same time. :)

BrendanB

15-04-2011, 23:20

MEDES!!!!

This is going to be an exciting division. With Michigan powerhouses such as 33, 1023, 1718, 1918, 2054 and 3098 represented and traditional powerhouses such as 118, 45, 177, 330, 360, 1912, and 1912, eliminations are definitely going to be pretty intense. I second the hope of an all-Michigan alliance going to Einstein .

Haha no martians on that list? :P

flippy147852

15-04-2011, 23:40

Haha no martians on that list? :P
Haha, as much as I love the Martians teams, there will be no curse afflictions this year :)

The Lucas

15-04-2011, 23:40

Debbie

15-04-2011, 23:56

This is going to be an exciting division. With Michigan powerhouses such as 33, 1023, 1718, 1918, 2054 and 3098 represented and traditional powerhouses such as 118, 45, 177, 330, 360, 1912, and 1912, eliminations are definitely going to be pretty intense. I second the hope of an all-Michigan alliance going to Einstein .

Definitely going to be fun times! GO BLUE! (hope there are no state fans.. haha) maybe I should stick with GO MICHIGAN! (and of course everyone else too!) Very anxious to meet up with old friends and make new ones! Will be hard to focus on anything else for the next week and a half!

Debbie

16-04-2011, 00:02

Unless that is a sneaky way of leaking inside info ;), I am going with coincidence, considering the uneven way the 29 FiM teams were distributed amoung the divisions:
Archimedes 11 teams
Curie 5 teams
Galileo 6 teams
Newton 7 teams

Just noticed MOE!!! Woot! You all made an impression on my Lego team which helped form BX when they got to high school! Your team also shared info with us a few years back when I took over coaching BX! Looking forward to playing with you all!!!

flippy147852

16-04-2011, 00:04

Definitely going to be fun times! GO BLUE! (hope there are no state fans.. haha) maybe I should stick with GO MICHIGAN! (and of course everyone else too!) Very anxious to meet up with old friends and make new ones! Will be hard to focus on anything else for the next week and a half!

Dear Debbie,
GO BLUE is perfectly acceptable.

Sincerely, a fellow UofM fan.

Quijas

16-04-2011, 00:13

I feel happy with the teams in Archimedes, from the scouting I've done these are the good teams I've seen in each division.(i know there are missing teams,sorry, i'm only one person XD)
Also we have to remember that there will be teams that improve from there last regional.
Arc--Cur---Ga---New
33---51--- 40--- 16
74--- 67--- 48--- 25
118--71--- 63--- 27
131-- 103-- 111-- 78
177-- 166-- 175-- 88
190-- 176-- 195-- 148
191-- 180-- 254-- 179
229-- 245-- 294-- 217
303-- 365--341-- 233
330-- 573-- 359-- 234
360-- 599-- 399-- 494
781-- 768-- 469-- 525
876-- 968-- 548-- 1503
931-- 987-- 610-- 1538
932-- 1519- 935-- 1676
1023-1559- 967-- 1730
1323- 1625- 973-- 2122
1477-1678- 1114- 2415
1510- 1717- 1218- 3138
1718- 1986- 1771
1918- 2056- 1985
2016- 2081- 2137
2054- 2363- 2337
2169- 2471
2512- 2702
3010- 2751
3098- 2826
3539

Peyton Yeung

16-04-2011, 00:18

Team 45 is extremely glad to be in Archimedes with so many good teams this year. I remember 148 and 33 in our division last year and those elimination matches were intense. I really look forward to this years championships and like always I hope everyone does well and has fun.

Lowfategg

16-04-2011, 01:16

Can't wait to play on Archimedes again, last time great things happened. :)

You can be sure that 2016 will be at full force with a few updates up our sleeves.

Btw, is anyone going to startup a Archimedes Robot Scouting List thread where teams can post photos, videos, and specs? Sure helps teams to get their name out there.

Can't wait too see you all, good luck!

The Lucas

16-04-2011, 01:25

Just noticed MOE!!! Woot! You all made an impression on my Lego team which helped form BX when they got to high school! Your team also shared info with us a few years back when I took over coaching BX! Looking forward to playing with you all!!!

I am truly humbled that my team could be part of the inspiration for a great team like Bedford Express. I'm actually slightly amazed considering your team was founded in '03 in MI and our FLL outreach was still in its early stages in the DE area before '03.

As much as I would like to play a match with BX, MOE is Curie not Archi; so it is not happing yet. However, we will be sharing a set of fields in the pit and the dome :rolleyes: . I am just posting on the Archi thread to share OPR data, and I couldn't resist the juicy trend Jack threw out there. Curie and Archi play each other in the Einstien semi finals so maybe we will see you there ;)

Craig Roys

16-04-2011, 10:25

Will Archimedes produce an all Michigan alliance on Einstein this year?

Interesting tidbit - the top four ranked teams from Michigan will be in separate divisions, and got there in alphabetical order: (coincidence?)

#1 33 Archimedes
#2 67 Curie
#3 2137 Galileo
#4 27 Newton

Unless that is a sneaky way of leaking inside info ;), I am going with coincidence, considering the uneven way the 29 FiM teams were distributed amoung the divisions:
Archimedes 11 teams
Curie 5 teams
Galileo 6 teams
Newton 7 teams

I don't believe it is coincidence - if you look at last year, the top teams in MI were very evenly divided as well. My guess, looking at the distribution, is that it isn't just MI being split up - it seems the top teams from FRC are being pretty evenly distributed. Only makes sense to do it that way.

tyronott

16-04-2011, 10:51

flippy147852

16-04-2011, 13:53

i think your missing one

Oops! I overlooked you guys :o That's what I get for posting with little sleep

Team 288

16-04-2011, 14:24

Team 931 Checking in from St. Louis. I can't wait to get to St. Louis!! Oh wait.. I'm already here!!

This is going to be a fun competition! Can't wait to see everyone there!!

If anyone in this division needs a minibot, team 931 has got 5 extra's for the taking! (~ 1 second)

Richard Wallace

16-04-2011, 16:17

If anyone in this division needs a minibot, team 931 has got 5 extra's for the taking! (~ 1 second)Charlie, how about bringing one of those minibots over to the 2081 (http://www.chiefdelphi.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=94588) pit in Curie?

Pole climb time trials, for bragging rights -- plus a can of SPAM.

Team 288

16-04-2011, 18:46

Charlie, how about bringing one of those minibots over to the 2081 (http://www.chiefdelphi.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=94588) pit in Curie?

Pole climb time trials, for bragging rights -- plus a can of SPAM.

Sounds like a great idea! =) We'll be sure to bring one!

MysterE

16-04-2011, 19:07

Hmm - we'll have to bring our mini-bot for some Spam as well. You know - I could throw in some Ramen Noodles to add to the pot.

Chris is me

16-04-2011, 19:33

Archimedes is no Galileo, but I really like this division. You've got your "big guns" with 33, 118, 177, 1918, and 2016 that all have a very good shot at #1 seed and taking the division, but this division has a very large middle ground. Not as top heavy but a LOT more even.

flippy147852

16-04-2011, 22:17

Hmm - we'll have to bring our mini-bot for some Spam as well. You know - I could throw in some Ramen Noodles to add to the pot.

What are we doing here? Supplying the winners with a month's supply of college student food?:confused:

I'll bring some Mac and Cheese

Refresh

16-04-2011, 22:21

What are we doing here? Supplying the winners with a month's supply of college student food?:confused:

I'll bring some Mac and Cheese
That's what I'm picking up from this list. If I wasn't a college student right now, I would offer some of my Ramen noodles.

Debbie

16-04-2011, 23:16

I am truly humbled that my team could be part of the inspiration for a great team like Bedford Express. I'm actually slightly amazed considering your team was founded in '03 in MI and our FLL outreach was still in its early stages in the DE area before '03.

As much as I would like to play a match with BX, MOE is Curie not Archi; so it is not happing yet. However, we will be sharing a set of fields in the pit and the dome :rolleyes: . I am just posting on the Archi thread to share OPR data, and I couldn't resist the juicy trend Jack threw out there. Curie and Archi play each other in the Einstien semi finals so maybe we will see you there ;)

Darn... I saw you on here and thought you were in our division! I should've checked the list. LOL My lego team went to worlds 2 years(2000 & 2001 - We started with FLL in 2000 and added FRC in 2003) and met MOE! Good stuff! Would LOVE to see you on Einstein!! LOL Course. we would love to see anyone on that field. hehe

pwnageNick

17-04-2011, 01:45

2949 can't wait to compete against all of you in St. Louis!!!

Check our website and fb page shortly for updated detailed pictures and videos of our robot:
http://www.pwnage.foxvalleyrobotics.com
http://www.facebook.com/pages/pwnage2949/109248172427910
Good luck to everyone!

Zack247

17-04-2011, 06:23

I can still hear the MICH-I-GAN chant ringing in my ears from 2009. I'd love to hear it again.

thor876

17-04-2011, 07:47

Thunder Robotics Team 876 is looking forward to the tremendous competition and seeing some good friends in the elite Archimedes division!

M.Wong

19-04-2011, 22:20

Looking forward to cheering with 33's signs :)

nikeairmancurry

19-04-2011, 22:21

how about 12 michigan teams on einstien?

MysterE

19-04-2011, 22:27

I don't like the idea of 12 Michigan teams on Einstein - of course I am a bit partial to having another state in the fray.

Carolyn_Grace

19-04-2011, 22:38

I don't like the idea of 12 Michigan teams on Einstein - of course I am a bit partial to having another state in the fray.

Honestly, I kind of don't like that idea either. We've already played with each other. The MSC was completely amazing, but I'd rather have a totally different experience at St. Louis. 11 teams in our division from Michigan, but over 70 from other places around the country (world?). I can't wait to play with those teams now! There's definitely some great teams outside of Michigan that will definitely create an alliance that is a force to be reckoned with on Einstein.

The Lucas

20-04-2011, 00:33

how about 12 michigan teams on einstien?

Would you settle for 12 Michigan teams on Archimedes :p

Say hello to Team 440, The Suspects, imported from Detroit!

BrendanB

20-04-2011, 00:41

how about 12 michigan teams on einstien?

I would REALLY have a problem with that. It shows how district has really allowed teams to improve over the weeks and it should try to be implemented in other areas. Not all of us can afford 3 events before St. Louis.

pwnageNick

20-04-2011, 08:55

I would REALLY have a problem with that. It shows how district has really allowed teams to improve over the weeks and it should try to be implemented in other areas. Not all of us can afford 3 events before St. Louis.

Not all of us can even afford 2 events before St. Louis...

Team 288

20-04-2011, 09:56

how about 12 michigan teams on einstien?

I dislike this because, as a team from not michigan, it's not going to happen.
Team 931 won't let it =)

BrendanB

20-04-2011, 10:40

Not all of us can even afford 2 events before St. Louis...

Yeah that too!

Tyler Hicks

20-04-2011, 22:44

Not all of us can even afford 2 events before St. Louis...

Let me clarify to teams outside of the Great State of Michigan, that the majority of us cannot afford to attend 2 or 3 Regionals either. However DISTRICT events are far less expensive compared to Regional events.

The number of teams in Michigan are far greater than every other state (except California). The affordable District system is ideal, especially for MI.

Sure, we get more experience, and for a lower price. Perhaps other states will soon get the district system as well.

BrendanB

20-04-2011, 22:48

Let me clarify to teams outside of the Great State of Michigan, that the majority of us cannot afford to attend 2 or 3 Regionals either. However DISTRICT events are far less expensive compared to Regional events.

The number of teams in Michigan are far greater than every other state (except California). The affordable District system is ideal, especially for MI.

Sure, we get more experience, and for a lower price. Perhaps other states will soon get the district system as well.

Yeah hopefully they can expand it to other states and even regions but alas, nothing has happened in 3 years. Yes, districts are cheaper but I'm sure all of us would love to pay the price you do for the time you get on the field.

Alan Anderson

21-04-2011, 14:51

Yeah hopefully they can expand it to other states and even regions

Who do you mean when you say "they"?

but alas, nothing has happened in 3 years.

The discussions I'm aware of haven't yielded any visible results, but they are not "nothing".

ks_mumupsi

21-04-2011, 15:11

I dont think everyone is as big a fan of the district model, I think this is the difference between folks who have played FIRST since its early days, when regionals were sparse and spread out. It gave us an opportunity to meet new people from different regions.

Now what everyone seems to care about is getting practice time on the field so they can get better on their robot. I don't see how that helps the students grow in any way or form. I for one am glad to have been a part of FIRST when we used to be at Disney and traveled to various locations for regionals. We had good sponsors but we fundraised our way to all those locations. Same as the team I currently mentor. Each student fundraises enough money to pay for their trip.

Anyways back to Archimedes - i think theres a lot of sleeper teams in this divison. It will be good to see some non-powerhouse teams in competition and get to learn about their strategies.

Scouting is going to count for tons in this division and overlooking any team in this division would be a mistake, we have the most underrated divsion and also the division with the highest # of teams that have won a regional. This will be a deep division without a doubt outside of the well known teams.

C ya all in a week.

Tom Line

21-04-2011, 15:45

#1 Teams are still allowed to travel to other areas and compete. The only restriction is that a non-Michigan team can't compete here, but there are still many other regionals you can travel to.

#2 I would suggest that anyone who believes that the success Michigan teams enjoy is a result of the district model is certainly not a student of history. Perhaps you should talk to teams like 67, 469, 33, and 217 and see what their take is...

#3 Let's not turn this into yet-another discussion about districts. There are many many threads about that.

I look forward to seeing a bunch of new teams again. Good luck everyone.

rachelholladay

21-04-2011, 17:46

Team 1912 is super excited about Archimedes! We were in this division in 2007 and loved it. See you guys in 6 days..

ARCHI-

Yusuf1510

21-04-2011, 20:44

Team 1510 Checking in from Oregon we are all really excited for championships and this division!

Tyler Hicks

21-04-2011, 20:47

Joe Ross

22-04-2011, 11:40

Similar to what I did in previous years (http://www.chiefdelphi.com/forums/showpost.php?p=735425&postcount=165), I ran through 100 simulated qualification match schedules (all 146 matches, using the FIRST match generator). I used each team's highest opr at any event for their contribution to a match. I calculated the standings for each of the 100 simulated qualification schedules, and then looked at some statistics from the aggregate results.

Team OPR Avg Rnk Med Rnk Mod Rnk SD Rnk Max Rnk Min Rnk #1 seed Top 8 Avg QP Med QP Mode QP Stdv QP Max QP Min QP
74 60.7 7.76 5.5 1 7.7 50 1 15 67 16.73 17 18 2.3 20 8
781 60.2 9.26 7 8 8.6 39 1 10 62 16.4 16 18 2.6 20 10
330 60.0 7.42 5 1 7.0 36 1 15 64 16.93 17.5 16 2.3 20 10
2054 58.5 10.03 7 2 8.9 37 1 6 60 16.01 16 18 2.6 20 10
33 56.7 9.07 6 1 8.6 40 1 15 66 16.38 16 18 2.6 20 10
118 55.2 10.37 9 1 7.3 39 1 9 46 15.89 16 16 2.2 20 10
2512 54.6 13.5 11 5 10.1 48 1 7 38 15.11 16 14 2.6 20 8
1023 52.9 12.12 8 8 9.6 54 1 2 51 15.56 16 14 2.6 20 8
3539 49.0 13.83 12 5 10.8 55 1 3 41 15.29 16 14 2.8 20 8
3098 45.6 14.65 12.5 6 12.1 64 1 4 40 15.08 14.5 14 3.0 20 6
2016 45.6 17.08 15 13 12.3 66 1 3 24 14.49 14 16 2.9 20 6
876 45.0 15.61 13.5 17 11.5 52 1 1 30 14.67 14.5 16 2.6 20 8
2984 41.9 17.74 17 17 10.6 47 2 0 24 14.16 14 14 2.5 18 8
177 41.6 18.04 15.5 25 12.5 63 1 2 23 14.23 14 16 2.8 20 6
131 38.7 22.17 20 11 13.9 64 1 2 15 13.55 14 14 3.0 20 7
1629 37.5 24.53 22 9 14.0 65 1 1 9 12.89 13.5 14 2.9 20 6
1918 37.4 25.58 21.5 5 15.8 71 1 1 16 12.82 14 14 3.1 20 6
931 35.8 23.79 22 13 14.3 54 1 1 15 13.11 13 12 3.0 19 8
1718 34.9 26.6 23 11 14.7 68 4 0 5 12.53 12 14 2.8 18 6
2169 34.7 23.61 20 18 14.9 64 3 0 15 13.14 14 14 3.0 20 6
155 34.3 30.73 26 19 16.7 69 3 0 4 11.98 12 14 3.2 20 6
190 33.0 28.21 25 25 16.7 72 4 0 10 12.34 12 14 3.1 18 4
932 32.7 29.12 28 29 15.9 79 1 1 9 12.28 12 12 3.1 20 4
229 32.4 27.1 26 23 14.6 61 2 0 6 12.55 12 10 3.0 20 6
1323 32.0 29.54 27 38 16.2 73 5 0 2 12 12 10 3.0 18 4
1477 31.8 27.8 25.5 35 16.1 81 1 1 9 12.41 12 14 3.1 19 4
191 31.4 30.22 27.5 18 15.9 76 4 0 3 11.96 12 14 3.0 18 4
1510 30.0 32.59 31 18 15.5 68 3 0 5 11.63 12 12 2.9 18 6
2949 28.2 32.7 31.5 29 16.2 79 6 0 3 11.61 12 12 2.9 18 4
846 27.6 33.16 31 35 17.0 85 1 1 1 11.42 12 10 3.1 20 2
1690 27.4 33.7 33.5 19 16.1 77 4 0 2 11.44 12 10 2.9 18 4
1640 27.3 32.92 31 27 13.7 75 5 0 2 11.52 12 12 2.4 18 4
537 26.0 37.42 36.5 36 17.8 84 6 0 2 10.71 10 10 3.2 18 2
3494 25.7 35.83 33 31 17.7 80 2 0 5 11.09 12 12 3.2 20 4
360 25.7 37.87 35 32 17.5 78 3 0 3 10.63 10 12 3.1 18 4
3322 25.0 38.29 38 38 16.0 78 4 0 3 10.62 10 10 2.8 18 4
2175 23.2 35.81 33.5 43 19.0 84 5 0 5 11.2 11.5 10 3.5 18 2
701 20.9 40.16 40 41 17.2 85 9 0 0 10.36 10 10 3.0 18 2
1622 20.6 40.57 40.5 28 20.4 82 4 0 3 10.34 10 8 3.7 18 2
3256 19.1 42.48 43 43 16.7 82 9 0 0 9.93 10 8 2.9 16 2
3467 18.6 42.86 40.5 53 18.1 78 4 0 2 10 10 10 3.1 18 4
3010 16.8 44.35 40.5 31 19.1 85 8 0 1 9.73 10 12 3.3 16 2
766 16.7 47.53 48 58 16.5 79 5 0 2 9.22 9 8 2.8 18 4
45 16.5 46.88 46.5 57 19.0 86 6 0 1 9.34 10 8 3.3 18 0
503 14.2 50.63 52 54 16.4 84 10 0 0 8.66 8 10 2.7 16 2
3506 13.7 50.92 54.5 56 19.5 84 8 0 2 8.85 8 8 3.4 18 2
1014 12.4 51.24 51.5 30 15.5 84 18 0 0 8.69 8 8 2.5 14 2
1065 11.5 54.4 57 65 18.3 87 11 0 0 8.28 8 8 3.2 16 0
3747 11.0 53.91 54.5 68 16.0 86 15 0 0 8.36 8 10 2.9 16 2
303 10.9 54.24 56.5 73 18.0 87 8 0 1 8.34 8 6 3.1 16 0
2549 10.9 50.67 51 34 17.5 87 8 0 1 8.8 8 8 3.0 16 0
1912 10.6 55.04 56 64 16.4 84 17 0 0 8.1 8 10 2.9 14 2
3337 9.9 53.56 55.5 72 18.7 84 12 0 0 8.41 8 8 3.2 16 2
2022 9.5 55.31 55 42 14.8 87 10 0 0 8.12 8 10 2.5 16 0
435 8.3 55.54 57 65 17.2 87 21 0 0 7.91 8 8 3.2 14 0
597 8.1 55.87 57 53 18.4 87 8 0 1 8.01 8 8 3.2 17 2
1899 7.5 56.57 57 56 17.9 85 13 0 0 7.99 8 8 3.1 16 2
167 7.3 58.33 57 51 16.5 87 19 0 0 7.63 8 8 2.9 14 0
2500 6.9 61.53 65.5 64 17.3 86 12 0 0 7.2 6 6 3.0 16 0
1518 6.0 60.83 64 72 17.3 87 14 0 0 7.35 6 6 3.0 16 0
1535 4.7 58.24 60 64 16.7 87 21 0 0 7.77 8 6 2.9 14 0
862 4.7 58.84 61 48 17.9 87 19 0 0 7.65 8 8 3.2 14 0
930 4.6 60.58 63.5 63 18.4 87 5 0 1 7.42 7.5 6 3.3 18 0
1811 3.4 63.93 66 72 15.9 87 20 0 0 6.7 7 6 3.0 14 0
3481 3.2 61.63 64 79 17.0 86 21 0 0 7.24 7 6 3.0 14 0
1000 2.9 62.65 66.5 74 17.0 87 18 0 0 7.06 6 6 3.0 14 0
1138 2.7 61.91 62 83 16.7 87 21 0 0 7.17 8 8 3.1 14 0
2543 2.4 62.14 62.5 81 17.9 87 13 0 0 7.18 8 8 3.2 16 2
1547 2.0 65.39 68 76 15.4 87 31 0 0 6.58 6 6 2.8 12 0
677 1.7 60.99 65 71 17.2 87 11 0 0 7.41 7 6 2.8 16 2
203 1.5 64.23 67 81 16.4 87 22 0 0 6.82 6 4 3.0 14 0
2972 1.4 65.92 70 75 16.2 87 21 0 0 6.52 6 8 3.1 14 0
771 1.4 64.25 68 77 15.6 87 25 0 0 6.8 6 6 2.9 14 0
238 1.3 63.39 67.5 67 17.0 87 14 0 0 6.96 6 6 2.9 15 2
3462 1.3 63.17 69 59 17.0 85 15 0 0 7.01 6 4 2.9 16 2
3616 1.1 64.83 65 81 15.4 87 23 0 0 6.77 7 8 2.8 14 0
3017 0.2 66.18 70 70 14.9 87 32 0 0 6.49 6 6 2.8 12 0
3351 -0.1 66.27 71 73 15.1 87 23 0 0 6.52 6 6 2.9 14 0
108 -1.2 66.84 70.5 73 15.3 87 19 0 0 6.36 6 6 2.9 14 0
3642 -2.0 67.13 71.5 84 15.1 87 23 0 0 6.42 6 4 2.8 13 0
3780 -3.3 68.62 72 73 15.1 87 24 0 0 6.15 6 4 3.0 14 0
1482 -3.7 68.45 72 87 16.4 87 25 0 0 6.12 6 4 3.1 13 0
3756 -4.2 69.65 75 85 15.7 87 14 0 0 5.97 6 6 2.9 15 0
3694 -4.9 72.62 78 87 14.0 87 30 0 0 5.3 5 4 2.8 12 0
3596 -5.8 73.28 77 86 12.9 87 31 0 0 5.3 6 4 2.7 12 0
3704 -8.2 73.39 76 87 13.6 87 30 0 0 5.31 6 6 2.7 12 0
1270 -10.2 74.29 79.5 86 13.6 87 28 0 0 5.02 4 4 2.8 13 0

Akash Rastogi

22-04-2011, 12:02

...

Joe, would you mind running this for each division? Thank you!:D

Travis Hoffman

22-04-2011, 12:23

Joe, would you mind running this for each division? Thank you!:D

He will. He told me as much. Naturally, he did his division first. Patience, sir! :)

Joe Ross

22-04-2011, 13:20

Joe, would you mind running this for each division? Thank you!:D

My software isn't very optimized, so it takes around 24 hours to run the simulation.

SamMullen

24-04-2011, 20:32

Joe, how did you turn different teams OPR's into match results? Did you just take the different match schedules, add up the OPR's for both the alliances and declare the alliance with the larger OPR the winner? Or is there some element of randomness involved in it? And if you did just add the OPR's, were tied matches simply when the two sides were approximately equal?

Thanks for posting all of this by the way, it's really fascinating stuff.

Joe Ross

24-04-2011, 22:04

Joe, how did you turn different teams OPR's into match results? Did you just take the different match schedules, add up the OPR's for both the alliances and declare the alliance with the larger OPR the winner? Or is there some element of randomness involved in it? And if you did just add the OPR's, were tied matches simply when the two sides were approximately equal?

That's exactly how I do it. I round the sum of the alliances OPR to the nearest integer, which is why there can occasionally be ties.

JennaBrown

25-04-2011, 18:11

To start I would like to congratulate all of the teams who are coming to nationals in St. Louis! All of your hard work and dedication is paying off!
Like any other competition there are some things that are bound to happen. Programs aren't going to run right, things will break, and countless of other things could go wrong (knock on wood!). But have no fear, MOEbile Pit will be there! For years MOE 365 has run a successful "mobile pit" which consists of a team of students that helps other teams with any problems that they encounter. But this year we are stepping into the 21st century with the help of Twitter! If at any time during the competition your team finds themselves in need of help, Tweet @MOEbilePit with your problem/request! This is an experimental way of communication through which other FIRST teams can connect to our MOEbile Pit when they need assistance! If you have any questions feel free to post them, or Tweet them to @MOEbilePit .
In the words of my greatest inspiration, Dean Kamen, "Good luck, and see you in St. Louis!"

Joe Ross

26-04-2011, 12:06

JamesBrown

28-04-2011, 16:30

Match Predictions by OPR,

Match Number, Red OPR, Blue OPR, Difference (Red-Blue)

1 65.8 32.2 33.6
2 30.6 68 -37.4
3 78.4 76.1 2.3
4 29.4 28.8 0.6
5 65.1 51.4 13.7
6 43.6 70 -26.4
7 23.2 -2.1 25.3
8 80 47.8 32.2
9 52.7 46.4 6.3
10 11.5 48.3 -36.8
11 127.3 80.6 46.7
12 163 101.4 61.6
13 23.7 42.1 -18.4
14 98.4 71.4 27
15 31.8 88 -56.2
16 62.2 35.6 26.6
17 -6.1 52.8 -58.9
18 24.9 60.2 -35.3
19 108.3 64.7 43.6
20 34.4 68.3 -33.9
21 16.6 76.3 -59.7
22 100.4 75.2 25.2
23 71.4 47.2 24.2
24 40.8 65.1 -24.3
25 66.4 70.2 -3.8
26 48.4 39 9.4
27 90.8 14.4 76.4
28 105.3 98.7 6.6
29 40.3 40.3 0
30 121.3 43.6 77.7
31 65.4 54.3 11.1
32 74.1 96.1 -22
33 46.6 64.5 -17.9
34 50.6 72.9 -22.3
35 3.7 42.1 -38.4
36 41.1 -4.7 45.8
37 29.5 66.6 -37.1
38 30.5 89.4 -58.9
39 67.8 48.5 19.3
40 122.9 67.9 55
41 96.2 47.8 48.4
42 15.4 133.5 -118.1
43 82.4 60.4 22
44 36.6 30.9 5.7
45 5.9 57.8 -51.9
46 18.6 110.7 -92.1
47 37 65.4 -28.4
48 102.6 49.9 52.7
49 94 11.2 82.8
50 76.6 22.9 53.7
51 30.3 34.3 -4
52 104.4 72.9 31.5
53 13.4 99.8 -86.4
54 99.5 69 30.5
55 -1.3 79.7 -81
56 111.1 45.1 66
57 54.3 67.1 -12.8
58 46.8 62.1 -15.3
59 27.7 56 -28.3
60 79.3 31.4 47.9
61 77.1 49.5 27.6
62 137.3 61.7 75.6
63 74 58.3 15.7
64 81 31.3 49.7
65 99.6 82.1 17.5
66 29.5 85 -55.5
67 72.3 71.7 0.6
68 39.3 39.8 -0.5
69 72.8 42.5 30.3
70 11 76.7 -65.7
71 62.8 72.4 -9.6
72 47.4 18.1 29.3
73 1.7 64.3 -62.6
74 51.7 73.8 -22.1
75 39.5 101.2 -61.7
76 77.8 37.5 40.3
77 35.9 102.1 -66.2
78 58.2 105.8 -47.6
79 86.9 39.4 47.5
80 58 44 14
81 75.7 85.5 -9.8
82 74.2 65.7 8.5
83 32.4 48.4 -16
84 31.5 64.8 -33.3
85 29.9 81.8 -51.9
86 64.3 -6.9 71.2
87 31.4 79.3 -47.9
88 65.7 54.7 11
89 57.7 10 47.7
90 42.8 19.1 23.7
91 6 99.3 -93.3
92 83.2 15 68.2
93 102.4 100.5 1.9
94 8.1 79.8 -71.7
95 50.3 39.3 11
96 65.8 20.5 45.3
97 60.5 79.1 -18.6
98 91.7 33.6 58.1
99 71.6 1.3 70.3
100 76.6 32.7 43.9
101 75.8 62.5 13.3
102 90.8 111.5 -20.7
103 70.8 88.4 -17.6
104 102.3 50.7 51.6
105 16.1 5.9 10.2
106 88.9 48 40.9
107 39.4 88.9 -49.5
108 38.4 12.2 26.2
109 34.1 79.9 -45.8
110 129.2 60.1 69.1
111 76.6 4.4 72.2
112 57.3 74.5 -17.2
113 59.1 17.7 41.4
114 76.2 30.2 46
115 109.8 99.7 10.1
116 33.4 90 -56.6
117 61.3 86.2 -24.9
118 58.9 129.7 -70.8
119 26.2 116.2 -90
120 29.7 53.7 -24
121 20.8 9.8 11
122 48.3 43 5.3
123 9.4 108.3 -98.9
124 67.5 84.7 -17.2
125 81.8 27 54.8
126 116.2 19.5 96.7
127 43.7 44.9 -1.2
128 111.5 78.4 33.1
129 6.5 87.2 -80.7
130 112.7 108.8 3.9
131 46.9 22.1 24.8
132 23.9 30.4 -6.5
133 75.2 40 35.2
134 77.9 58.2 19.7
135 38.2 28.5 9.7
136 74.4 87.3 -12.9
137 74.1 16.1 58
138 152.5 58.2 94.3
139 17.1 54.4 -37.3
140 27.3 27.6 -0.3
141 7.4 86.6 -79.2
142 31.2 139.5 -108.3
143 70.2 46.8 23.4
144 73.4 76.8 -3.4
145 94 78.2 15.8
146 80 9.8 70.2
147 19.6 29.8 -10.2

Note, If the team doesn't show in Joe Ross's table there OPR is counted as 0 in these predictions.