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Billfred
21-04-2011, 21:15
After a year's absence, it's time to bring back the Championship Free-For-All draft! (Props to Joe Ross for inventing the format.)

You can pick any three teams competing at the 2011 Championship, however you can not pick the same three teams that someone else has picked. (So if I pick 11, 148, and 2815, you can still pick 11, 148, and 217...but you can't do 11/148/2815.)

Of note:


Standard Championship Fantasy FIRST scoring will apply.
Cross-division picks are perfectly fine.
When listing your picks, put them in ascending team number order. (11/217/2815, not 2815/11/217.)
Place your picks on the list sorted by your first team's number, then your second, then your third. (So 11/148/217, then 11/217/2815, then 16/20/45.)
The deadline for picks is midnight Wednesday night Eastern, measured by the CD forum clock.
Your last pick is the one that gets scored.


Track the mayhem here: https://spreadsheets.google.com/ccc?key=0AuKhRcDxMghsdHRTR005T2pLLTRCLW5wQXc4enFsa 1E&hl=en

With all that out of the way, I'll begin with....

Billfred: 111/148/1114

ATannahill
21-04-2011, 21:19
Billfred: 111/148/1114
rtfgnow: 359/1114/2056

Q. Sheets
21-04-2011, 21:24
Haven't been on CD in a while... so I'll pick 33, 245 and -- what the heck, let's keep the MI trend going -- 217.

Billfred: 111/148/1114
rtfgnow: 359/1114/2056
Q. Sheets: 33/217/245

Akash Rastogi
21-04-2011, 21:25
111, 1114, 2415

ATannahill
21-04-2011, 21:28
After a year's absence, it's time to bring back the Championship Free-For-All draft! (Props to Joe Ross for inventing the format.)

You can pick any three teams competing at the 2011 Championship, however you can not pick the same three teams that someone else has picked. (So if I pick 11, 148, and 2815, you can still pick 11, 148, and 217...but you can't do 11/148/2815.)

Of note:


Standard Championship Fantasy FIRST scoring will apply.
Cross-division picks are perfectly fine.
When listing your picks, put them in ascending team number order. (11/217/2815, not 2815/11/217.)
Place your picks on the list sorted by your first team's number, then your second, then your third. (So 11/148/217, then 11/217/2815, then 16/20/45.)
The deadline for picks is midnight Wednesday night Eastern, measured by the CD forum clock.
Your last pick is the one that gets scored.


Track the mayhem here: https://spreadsheets.google.com/ccc?key=0AuKhRcDxMghsdHRTR005T2pLLTRCLW5wQXc4enFsa 1E&hl=en

With all that out of the way, I'll begin with....

Billfred: 111/148/1114
I think point 4 needs to be clairified because it confused me and the last two posters did not follow it.

Since Q's lowest team is 33, which is lower than Billfred's 111 and my 359, he is on top of the list.

Q. Sheets: 33/217/245
Billfred: 111/148/1114
rtfgnow: 359/1114/2056

Akash and Billfred both have 111, so it goes to the second team. Since 148 is lower than 1114, Billfred is first.

Q. Sheets: 33/217/245
Billfred: 111/148/1114
Akash Rastogi: 111/1114/2415
rtfgnow: 359/1114/2056

Billfred
21-04-2011, 21:30
I think point 4 needs to be clairified because it confused me and the last two posters did not follow it.

Since Q's lowerst team is 33, which is lower than Billfred's 111 and my 359, he is on top of the list.

Q. Sheets: 33/217/245
Billfred: 111/148/1114
rtfgnow: 359/1114/2056

Akash and Billfred both have 111, so it goes to the second team. Since 148 is lower than 1114, Billfred is first.

Q. Sheets: 33/217/245
Billfred: 111/148/1114
Akash Rastogi:111/1114/2415
rtfgnow: 359/1114/2056

This. (It's more of a convenience thing for future pickers. While any conflicts will come to light when the spreadsheet is updated, why risk that I'll update it too late for you to correct it?)

dodar
21-04-2011, 21:34
Sheets: 33/217/245
Billfred: 111/148/1114
Dodar: 111/233/1114
Akash Rastogi: 111/1114/2415
rtfgnow: 359/1114/2056

Chris is me
21-04-2011, 21:42
Sheets: 33/217/245
Billfred: 111/148/1114
Dodar: 111/233/1114
Akash Rastogi: 111/1114/2415
rtfgnow: 359/1114/2056
Chris is me: 1114/1503/2056

Alpha Beta
21-04-2011, 21:53
Sheets: 33/217/245
Billfred: 111/148/1114
Alpha Beta 111/148/1717
Dodar: 111/233/1114
Akash Rastogi: 111/1114/2415
rtfgnow: 359/1114/2056
Chris is me: 1114/1503/2056

biancs15
21-04-2011, 23:24
Sheets: 33/217/245
Biancs 15: 33/111/1114
Billfred: 111/148/1114
Alpha Beta 111/148/1717
Dodar: 111/233/1114
Akash Rastogi: 111/1114/2415
rtfgnow: 359/1114/2056
Chris is me: 1114/1503/2056

RMiller
21-04-2011, 23:59
Sheets: 33/217/245
Biancs 15: 33/111/1114
Billfred: 111/148/1114
Alpha Beta 111/148/1717
Dodar: 111/233/1114
RMiller: 111/359/1114
Akash Rastogi: 111/1114/2415
rtfgnow: 359/1114/2056
Chris is me: 1114/1503/2056


Can I get a link to the "standard scoring?"

Alex Cormier
22-04-2011, 00:17
67,1114,2056

Vikesrock
22-04-2011, 00:39
Biancs 15: 33/111/1114
Sheets: 33/217/245
Vikesrock: 33/1114/2016
Alex Cormier: 67/1114/2056
Billfred: 111/148/1114
Alpha Beta 111/148/1717
Dodar: 111/233/1114
RMiller: 111/359/1114
Akash Rastogi: 111/1114/2415
rtfgnow: 359/1114/2056
Chris is me: 1114/1503/2056

EricH
22-04-2011, 01:37
Biancs 15: 33/111/1114
Q. Sheets: 33/217/245
EricH: 33/330/1114
Vikesrock: 33/1114/2016
Alex Cormier: 67/1114/2056
Billfred: 111/148/1114
Alpha Beta 111/148/1717
Dodar: 111/233/1114
RMiller: 111/359/1114
Akash Rastogi: 111/1114/2415
rtfgnow: 359/1114/2056
Chris is me: 1114/1503/2056

"Standard Scoring" would be a reference to the Season Long scoring system. W-L-T, 2-0-1 points. Seeding is 20 for 1st seed, 12 for second and third, 6 for the rest of the top 8, 3 for 9-12, and 2 for anybody else at or above 16. Then the awards change to:

Quarter finalists – Division, 5 points
Semifinalists – Division, 10 points
Finalists – Division, 15 points
Divisional Winners, 25 points
Finalists - Einstein Field, 40 points
Winners - Einstein Field, 50 points

Chairman’s – Nationals, 80 points
Engineering Inspiration Award – Nationals, 45 points
Rookie All-Star, 25 points
Rookie Inspiration, 20 points
Woodie Flowers/Judges, 15 points
Dean’s List, 8 points

Highest score / Highest Rookie Seed, 10 points
Robot based award, 25 points
Non-placement award, except previously mentioned, 10 points
Coopertition Award, 15 points

stundt1
22-04-2011, 07:09
1114/2056/254

Travis Hoffman
22-04-2011, 10:30
Biancs 15...........33 111 1114
Q. Sheets...........33 217 245
EricH...............33 330 1114
Vikesrock...........33 1114 2016
Alex Cormier........67 1114 2056
Billfred............111 148 1114
Alpha Beta..........111 148 1717
Dodar...............111 233 1114
RMiller.............111 359 1114
Akash Rastogi.......111 1114 2415
rtfgnow.............359 1114 2056
Chris is me.........1114 1503 2056
stundt1.............254 1114 2056
Travis Hoffman......359 1114 3138

jblay
22-04-2011, 13:10
Biancs 15...........33 111 1114
Q. Sheets...........33 217 245
EricH...............33 330 1114
Vikesrock...........33 1114 2016
Alex Cormier........67 1114 2056
Billfred............111 148 1114
Alpha Beta..........111 148 1717
Dodar...............111 233 1114
RMiller.............111 359 1114
Akash Rastogi.......111 1114 2415
jblay...............148 1114 2056
rtfgnow.............359 1114 2056
Chris is me.........1114 1503 2056
stundt1.............254 1114 2056
Travis Hoffman......359 1114 3138

RMiller
22-04-2011, 13:40
Thanks Eric for scoring - fixing locations for names.

Biancs 15...........33 111 1114
Q. Sheets...........33 217 245
EricH...............33 330 1114
Vikesrock...........33 1114 2016
Alex Cormier........67 1114 2056
Billfred............111 148 1114
Alpha Beta..........111 148 1717
Dodar...............111 233 1114
RMiller.............111 359 1114
Akash Rastogi.......111 1114 2415
jblay...............148 1114 2056
stundt1.............254 1114 2056
rtfgnow.............359 1114 2056
Travis Hoffman......359 1114 3138
Chris is me.........1114 1503 2056

santosh
22-04-2011, 15:35
Biancs 15...........33 111 1114
Q. Sheets...........33 217 245
EricH...............33 330 1114
Vikesrock...........33 1114 2016
Alex Cormier........67 1114 2056
Billfred............111 148 1114
Alpha Beta..........111 148 1717
Dodar...............111 233 1114
RMiller.............111 359 1114
Akash Rastogi.......111 1114 2415
jblay...............148 1114 2056
stundt1.............254 1114 2056
rtfgnow.............359 1114 2056
Travis Hoffman......359 1114 3138
Chris is me.........1114 1503 2056
Santosh...............148 1114 2415

BJC
22-04-2011, 15:51
Biancs 15...........33 111 1114
Q. Sheets...........33 217 245
EricH...............33 330 1114
Vikesrock...........33 1114 2016
BJC...................33 1114 2056
Alex Cormier........67 1114 2056
Billfred............111 148 1114
Alpha Beta..........111 148 1717
Dodar...............111 233 1114
RMiller.............111 359 1114
Akash Rastogi.......111 1114 2415
jblay...............148 1114 2056
stundt1.............254 1114 2056
rtfgnow.............359 1114 2056
Travis Hoffman......359 1114 3138
Chris is me.........1114 1503 2056
Santosh...............148 1114 2415

Basel A
22-04-2011, 16:28
Basel A..............33 67 148
Biancs 15...........33 111 1114
Q. Sheets...........33 217 245
EricH.................33 330 1114
Vikesrock...........33 1114 2016
BJC...................33 1114 2056
Alex Cormier........67 1114 2056
Billfred................111 148 1114
Alpha Beta..........111 148 1717
Dodar.................111 233 1114
RMiller.................111 359 1114
Akash Rastogi.......111 1114 2415
jblay...................148 1114 2056
Santosh..............148 1114 2415
stundt1...............254 1114 2056
rtfgnow...............359 1114 2056
Travis Hoffman.....359 1114 3138
Chris is me...........1114 1503 2056

Interesting: Only 3 picks without 1114. Even if they're the best (they are), I have my justifications.

(I adjusted the periods from the switch out of the same-width font)

Koko Ed
22-04-2011, 16:51
Basel A..............33 67 148
Biancs 15...........33 111 1114
Q. Sheets...........33 217 245
EricH.................33 330 1114
Vikesrock...........33 1114 2016
BJC...................33 1114 2056
Alex Cormier........67 1114 2056
Billfred................111 148 1114
Alpha Beta..........111 148 1717
Dodar.................111 233 1114
RMiller.................111 359 1114
Akash Rastogi.......111 1114 2415
jblay...................148 1114 2056
Santosh..............148 1114 2415
stundt1...............254 1114 2056
rtfgnow...............359 1114 2056
Travis Hoffman.....359 1114 3138
Chris is me...........1114 1503 2056
Koko Ed...............111 359 67

Cyberphil
22-04-2011, 19:12
Basel A..............33 67 148
Biancs 15...........33 111 1114
Q. Sheets...........33 217 245
EricH.................33 330 1114
Vikesrock...........33 1114 2016
BJC...................33 1114 2056
Alex Cormier........67 1114 2056
Koko Ed...............67 111 359
Cyberphil............67 111 1114
Billfred................111 148 1114
Alpha Beta..........111 148 1717
Dodar.................111 233 1114
RMiller.................111 359 1114
Akash Rastogi.......111 1114 2415
jblay...................148 1114 2056
Santosh..............148 1114 2415
stundt1...............254 1114 2056
rtfgnow...............359 1114 2056
Travis Hoffman.....359 1114 3138
Chris is me...........1114 1503 2056

AlexD744
22-04-2011, 19:23
Basel A..............33 67 148
Biancs 15...........33 111 1114
Q. Sheets...........33 217 245
EricH.................33 330 1114
Vikesrock...........33 1114 2016
BJC...................33 1114 2056
AlexD744............67 233 1114
Alex Cormier........67 1114 2056
Koko Ed..............67 111 359
Cyberphil............67 111 1114
Billfred................111 148 1114
Alpha Beta..........111 148 1717
Dodar.................111 233 1114
RMiller.................111 359 1114
Akash Rastogi.......111 1114 2415
jblay...................148 1114 2056
Santosh..............148 1114 2415
stundt1...............254 1114 2056
rtfgnow...............359 1114 2056
Travis Hoffman.....359 1114 3138
Chris is me...........1114 1503 2056

Norman J
22-04-2011, 21:07
Basel A..............33 67 148
Biancs 15...........33 111 1114
Norman J............33 148 1114
Q. Sheets...........33 217 245
EricH.................33 330 1114
Vikesrock...........33 1114 2016
BJC...................33 1114 2056
AlexD744............67 233 1114
Alex Cormier........67 1114 2056
Koko Ed..............67 111 359
Cyberphil............67 111 1114
Billfred................111 148 1114
Alpha Beta..........111 148 1717
Dodar.................111 233 1114
RMiller.................111 359 1114
Akash Rastogi.......111 1114 2415
jblay...................148 1114 2056
Santosh..............148 1114 2415
stundt1...............254 1114 2056
rtfgnow...............359 1114 2056
Travis Hoffman.....359 1114 3138

Duke461
26-04-2011, 20:35
Basel A..............33 67 148
Biancs 15...........33 111 1114
Norman J............33 148 1114
Q. Sheets...........33 217 245
Duke461.............33 217 1114
EricH.................33 330 1114
Vikesrock...........33 1114 2016
BJC...................33 1114 2056
AlexD744............67 233 1114
Alex Cormier........67 1114 2056
Koko Ed..............67 111 359
Cyberphil............67 111 1114
Billfred................111 148 1114
Alpha Beta..........111 148 1717
Dodar.................111 233 1114
RMiller.................111 359 1114
Akash Rastogi.......111 1114 2415
jblay...................148 1114 2056
Santosh..............148 1114 2415
stundt1...............254 1114 2056
rtfgnow...............359 1114 2056
Travis Hoffman.....359 1114 3138

Frenchie461
27-04-2011, 15:38
Basel A..............33 67 148
Biancs 15...........33 111 1114
Norman J............33 148 1114
Q. Sheets...........33 217 245
Duke461.............33 217 1114
EricH.................33 330 1114
Vikesrock...........33 1114 2016
BJC...................33 1114 2056
AlexD744............67 233 1114
Alex Cormier........67 1114 2056
Koko Ed..............67 111 359
Cyberphil............67 111 1114
Billfred................111 148 1114
Alpha Beta..........111 148 1717
Frenchie461........111 217 1114
Dodar.................111 233 1114
RMiller.................111 359 1114
Akash Rastogi.......111 1114 2415
jblay...................148 1114 2056
Santosh..............148 1114 2415
stundt1...............254 1114 2056
rtfgnow...............359 1114 2056
Travis Hoffman.....359 1114 313

Vikesrock
01-05-2011, 10:35
I'll try to get this scored by tonight, tomorrow night at the latest.

Travis Hoffman
01-05-2011, 12:17
I'll try to get this scored by tonight, tomorrow night at the latest.


I didn't win, I don't think, but I did take the boldest risk with 3138, and that paid off nicely. Go Innovators!

Vikesrock
01-05-2011, 12:19
I didn't win, I don't think

First glance says Ed probably did with a chairmans and champion

RMiller
01-05-2011, 14:55
First glance says Ed probably did with a chairmans and champion

As did I Kevin. I think if it comes to the two of us, Ed will win (67 won an extra match in eliminations) unless 1114 had a Dean's List winner and 67 did not.
67 also has a better seeding score, but the Dean' List will still best that.

Billfred
02-05-2011, 21:50
Just a note, I'm scoring this as we speak. (Even at the expense of the caption contest!)

RMiller
02-05-2011, 21:56
The scoring I get. Kevin or Billfred, if you want, I can send you the excel file.
Edit - See here: http://www.chiefdelphi.com/media/papers/2489


Name.......... Team 1 Team 2 Team 3 Points 1 Points 2 Points 3 Total
Koko Ed....... 67.... 111... 359... 38...... 89...... 92...... 219
RMiller....... 111... 359... 1114.. 89...... 92...... 33...... 214
stundt1....... 254... 1114.. 2056.. 125..... 33...... 53...... 211
Travis Hoffman 359... 1114.. 3138.. 92...... 33...... 61...... 186
Alpha Beta.... 111... 148... 1717.. 89...... 50...... 46...... 185
Frenchie461... 111... 217... 1114.. 89...... 59...... 33...... 181
rtfgnow....... 359... 1114.. 2056.. 92...... 33...... 53...... 178
Billfred...... 111... 148... 1114.. 89...... 50...... 33...... 172
Dodar ........ 111... 233... 1114.. 89...... 39...... 33...... 161
Vikesrock..... 33.... 1114.. 2016.. 33...... 33...... 94...... 160
Cyberphil..... 67.... 111... 1114.. 38...... 89...... 33...... 160
Biancs 15..... 33.... 111... 1114.. 33...... 89...... 33...... 155
Akash Rastogi. 111... 1114.. 2415.. 89...... 33...... 19...... 141
Chris is me... 1114.. 1503.. 2056.. 33...... 51...... 53...... 137
jblay......... 148... 1114.. 2056.. 50...... 33...... 53...... 136
Duke461....... 33.... 217... 1114.. 33...... 59...... 33...... 125
Alex Cormier.. 67.... 1114.. 2056.. 38...... 33...... 53...... 124
Basel A....... 33.... 67.... 148... 33...... 38...... 50...... 121
Q Sheets...... 33.... 217... 245... 33...... 59...... 27...... 119
BJC........... 33.... 1114.. 2056.. 33...... 33...... 53...... 119
Norman J...... 33.... 148... 1114.. 33...... 50...... 33...... 116
EricH......... 33.... 330... 1114.. 33...... 45...... 33...... 111
AlexD744...... 67.... 233... 1114.. 38...... 39...... 33...... 110
Santosh....... 148... 1114.. 2415.. 50...... 33...... 19...... 102

Vikesrock
02-05-2011, 22:02
I don't have a list of the Dean's List teams so here is the scoring without them

Ryan, looks like yours is missing the 10pt. High Score for the teams that put up the highest qual score in each division.

Koko Ed 67 111 359 229
stundt1 254 1114 2056 221
Rmiller 111 359 1114 214
Alpha Beta 111 148 1717 205
Travis Hoffman 359 1114 3138 186
Billfred 111 148 1114 182
Frenchie461 111 217 1114 181
rtfgnow 359 1114 2056 178
Cyberphil 67 111 1114 170
Dodar 111 233 1114 161
Vikesrock 33 1114 2016 160
Biancs 15 33 111 1114 155
jblay 148 1114 2056 146
BaselA 33 67 148 141
Akash Rastogi 111 1114 2415 141
Alex Cormier 67 1114 2056 134
Norman J 33 148 1114 126
Duke461 33 217 1114 125
EricH 33 330 1114 121
AlexD744 67 233 1114 120
Q. Sheets 33 217 245 119
BJC 33 1114 2056 119
Santosh 148 1114 2415 112

RMiller
02-05-2011, 22:09
I don't have a list of the Dean's List teams so here is the scoring without them

Ryan, looks like yours is missing the 10pt. High Score for the teams that put up the highest qual score in each division.

Koko Ed 67 111 359 229
stundt1 254 1114 2056 221
Rmiller 111 359 1114 214
Alpha Beta 111 148 1717 205
Travis Hoffman 359 1114 3138 186
Billfred 111 148 1114 182
Frenchie461 111 217 1114 181
rtfgnow 359 1114 2056 178
Cyberphil 67 111 1114 170
Dodar 111 233 1114 161
Vikesrock 33 1114 2016 160
Biancs 15 33 111 1114 155
jblay 148 1114 2056 146
BaselA 33 67 148 141
Akash Rastogi 111 1114 2415 141
Alex Cormier 67 1114 2056 134
Norman J 33 148 1114 126
Duke461 33 217 1114 125
EricH 33 330 1114 121
AlexD744 67 233 1114 120
Q. Sheets 33 217 245 119
BJC 33 1114 2056 119
Santosh 148 1114 2415 112

For Dean's List I didn't see any from any of the teams picked: http://www.chiefdelphi.com/forums/showpost.php?p=1058354&postcount=21

Billfred
02-05-2011, 22:23
My numbers don't quite jive with that (you can look at my spreadsheet as linked earlier), but we agree on two things: Dean's List had no effect on scoring, and Koko Ed won it.

Two other notable things:
1) Of the 24 players, only 17 unique teams were picked.
2) Of those 17 teams, a perfect set would've been 254 (125 points), 2016 (94), and 359 (92).

Congrats, Ed!

RMiller
02-05-2011, 22:31
Billfred, looks like you may have 233 with the wrong point total for qualification wins.

Also, I think one outstanding question is if the high score is how the high score is given points: Only qualifications? Only one for the entire competition?

EricH
02-05-2011, 22:33
Also, I think one outstanding question is if the high score is how the high score is given points: Only qualifications? Only one for the entire competition?
The entire alliance gets high score points. IIRC, it's only given for qualifications.

RMiller
02-05-2011, 22:35
The entire alliance gets high score points. IIRC, it's only given for qualifications.

For entire competition, I was meaning are there four alliances (1/division) or one alliance.

EricH
02-05-2011, 22:36
For entire competition, I was meaning are there four alliances (1/division) or one alliance.
Oh, right. It's one per event, and SLFF counts each division as a separate event.

Vikesrock
02-05-2011, 22:42
I had the wrong high score for Curie and Galileo. RMiller's sheet is updated and correct now. I don't feel like fixing my previous post right now.

RMiller
02-05-2011, 22:48
I had the wrong high score for Curie and Galileo. RMiller's sheet is updated and correct now. I don't feel like fixing my previous post right now.

This includes 4 alliances for High Score (one from each division during quals).


Name.......... Team 1 Team 2 Team 3 Points 1 Points 2 Points 3 Total
Koko Ed....... 67.... 111... 359... 38...... 99...... 92...... 229
RMiller....... 111... 359... 1114.. 99...... 92...... 33...... 224
stundt1....... 254... 1114.. 2056.. 125..... 33...... 53...... 211
Alpha Beta.... 111... 148... 1717.. 99...... 60...... 46...... 205
Billfred...... 111... 148... 1114.. 99...... 60...... 33...... 192
Frenchie461... 111... 217... 1114.. 99...... 59...... 33...... 191
Travis Hoffman 359... 1114.. 3138.. 92...... 33...... 61...... 186
rtfgnow....... 359... 1114.. 2056.. 92...... 33...... 53...... 178
Dodar ........ 111... 233... 1114.. 99...... 39...... 33...... 171
Cyberphil..... 67.... 111... 1114.. 38...... 99...... 33...... 170
Biancs 15..... 33.... 111... 1114.. 33...... 99...... 33...... 165
Vikesrock..... 33.... 1114.. 2016.. 33...... 33...... 94...... 160
Akash Rastogi. 111... 1114.. 2415.. 99...... 33...... 19...... 151
Chris is me... 1114.. 1503.. 2056.. 33...... 61...... 53...... 147
jblay......... 148... 1114.. 2056.. 60...... 33...... 53...... 146
Basel A....... 33.... 67.... 148... 33...... 38...... 60...... 131
Norman J...... 33.... 148... 1114.. 33...... 60...... 33...... 126
Duke461....... 33.... 217... 1114.. 33...... 59...... 33...... 125
Alex Cormier.. 67.... 1114.. 2056.. 38...... 33...... 53...... 124
EricH......... 33.... 330... 1114.. 33...... 55...... 33...... 121
Q Sheets...... 33.... 217... 245... 33...... 59...... 27...... 119
BJC........... 33.... 1114.. 2056.. 33...... 33...... 53...... 119
Santosh....... 148... 1114.. 2415.. 60...... 33...... 19...... 112
AlexD744...... 67.... 233... 1114.. 38...... 39...... 33...... 110