2011 SCRRF Fall Classic - Burbank, CA

[David Brinza]

Announcing the 2011 edition of the Southern California Regional Robotics Forum (SCRRF) Fall Classic!

What: Fall Classic Robotics Competition
When: Sat. Sept. 24
Where: John Burroughs High School, Burbank, CA


We are playing FRC LogoMotion (with minor rules modifications under consideration).

This is a great opportunity to introduce new students, mentors and sponsors to FIRST Robotics Competition.

Look for more details here on Chief Delphi and on the LA Robotics (http://larobotics.org/) website.

[AdamHeard]

We'll be there with 2/3 again!

[Jeremy Germita]

We'll be there again!
Thanks for putting this event together! We find it as an excellent way to gauge new drivers' skills. It is always a pleasure seeing fellow SoCal teams at this event!

[R.C.]

1323 will be coming down again!

-RC

[David Brinza]

Registration is now open for the Fall Classic:

http://larobotics.org/FallClassic2011.html

Only $150 per team if registered by Sept. 16!!

[AdamHeard]

IRI rules?

[SenorZ]

Rookie teams welcome? Need to get the kids working on the bot!

[AdamHeard]

Rookie teams welcome? Need to get the kids working on the bot!

Always are! Even pre-rookies!

[David Brinza]

IRI rules?

A couple of SCRRF officers on-hand at IRI discussed this during the finals and we thought the IRI rule changes worked quite well.

The 10-point differential between 1st and 2nd place in the minibot race in the "official" game rules too often overwhelmed scoring of game pieces. Many minibot races were decided by fractions of a second. Equalizing 1st and 2nd place minibot scores restored the importance of performing well in the other 99% of the match.

Allowing ubertubes to be placed on the racks after autonomous to double the point value of tubes subsequently scored boosted match scores significantly. The six-point per ubertube bonus seemed to be an adequate reward for success in autonomous mode.

We are leaning towards IRI game rules, but haven't discussed serpentine alliance selection yet. We'll make a final decision in the next two weeks.

[ChrisH]

Rookie teams welcome? Need to get the kids working on the bot!

This year's Rookie Teams are especially welcome. They benefit more than the veterans.

Pre-Rookies, teams that are just forming and have not participated in an official FIRST event, are also welcome.

We try and find a robot for Pre-Rookies to drive and find out what it is like to be "behind the glass" Pre-Rookies traditionally are not required to pay the entry fee.

[Mk.32]

Team 3647 from SD will be probably coming up.
Got to iron out a few details x]
Can't wait! This was just our rookie season.

[SenorZ]

Team 3647 from SD will be probably coming up.
Got to iron out a few details x]
Can't wait! This was just our rookie season.

Yeah, us too. Need a drive train overhaul. It will be a fun first-month-of-school project for the team.

[Mk.32]

Yeah, us too. Need a drive train overhaul. It will be a fun first-month-of-school project for the team.

Our whole robot could use a over haul...

[ChrisH]

Our whole robot could use a over haul...

That is what off-seasons are for... to get it right this time.

[rsisk]

That's what we are doing. Currently working on a custom gearbox to power our new arm, since the one we used for competition failed. It's so much more "fun" without the pressure of a ship date breathing down your neck.

[Mk.32]

Yeah, we are redoing our pick up arm currently. Along with welding up pieces that have fallen off.

[rcmolloy]

Apparently, I will be making an appearance as well. Hmm...

Overall, really excited to see what California teams have to offer. I have only heard so much great and positive comments from out here on the east coast.

[Jeremy Germita]

I know it is a little early to know, but how many matches are teams looking at playing?

Thanks,
Jeremy

[David Brinza]

I know it is a little early to know, but how many matches are teams looking at playing?

Thanks,
Jeremy
If the match cycle is 6 minutes, we might get up to 30 matches played in quals. For sure, we'd like to play at least 24 qualification matches.

The number of matches per teams obviously depends upon the number of teams. With 24 teams, playing 6 to 7 matches in the qualification round is expected. A few teams may play that many in the elimination rounds.

[Mk.32]

Will it be a FMS set up? Or will be using bridges?

[David Brinza]

2011 Fall Classic Update

With three weeks until the event, we are over half-capacity for teams. Already, an impressive field has registered, including:
FRC 973 (2011 World Champions), FRC 1538 (SVR Winner), FRC 399 (Utah Regional Winner), FRC 1323 (SVR Finalist).

We are planning a Team Social for the Fall Classic!
We're looking at live music entertainment and concessions, starting right after the WRRF field is loaded onto the truck.

Please register your team at http://larobotics.org/FallClassic2011.html.
Don't get shutout - discounted registration until Sept 16!

Further information (agenda, possible rule changes, local hotels, etc.) for teams interested in the event is available at https://sites.google.com/site/frc980/

Get ready for some ACTION!!

[rsisk]

Hey Dave,

We are doing final assembly after a complete rebuild of our robot. If we get done by the end of this week, then we will be signing up.

Of course I'll be there the night before to help setup. Can't miss out on that fun ;>

[EagleEngineer]

Team 1138 is looking forward to this event. And i personally can't wait til this competition. :D

[SenorZ]

Very much looking forward to the event. I'm using it as a recruitment tool. Youtube videos can only show a fraction of the excitement at the live event. Hopefully we can get 10 new students to show up... that would bring our team up to 20 or so students!

[ChrisH]

Will it be a FMS set up? Or will be using bridges?

I just realized nobody had answered this


I believe we will be using FMS Lite. The field controls should be transparent to the teams. You will have to set up your bridge for the event and it should justwork from there.

[sanddrag]

After several years of not participating, 696 will be making a return to the Fall Classic event. Look for our robot named "Reptar" with the roller claw with green wheels and orange belts.

[Audrey Chu]

We are leaning towards IRI game rules, but haven't discussed serpentine alliance selection yet. We'll make a final decision in the next two weeks.

So what's the final decision?

[AdamHeard]

Is there a final team list?

Also, on the registration page it mentions doing a draft with 4 teams per alliance, unless 32 teams show up this seems a bit strange to me.

[Cory]

Is there a final team list?

Also, on the registration page it mentions doing a draft with 4 teams per alliance, unless 32 teams show up this seems a bit strange to me.

No inside info here, but my guess would be 4 alliances composed of 4 teams, due to the 16 teams who are currently registered.

[AdamHeard]

No inside info here, but my guess would be 4 alliances composed of 4 teams, due to the 16 teams who are currently registered.

Where'd you find that info?

[Jeremy Germita]

Where'd you find that info?

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0Avs_ULMYbbmzdDlyYXFBT1lJekV1ZE9kZEdHZThRZ nc&authkey=CNSuwuoC&hl=en_US&authkey=CNSuwuoC

that's the registration Spreadsheet.

[AdamHeard]

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0Avs_ULMYbbmzdDlyYXFBT1lJekV1ZE9kZEdHZThRZ nc&authkey=CNSuwuoC&hl=en_US&authkey=CNSuwuoC

that's the registration Spreadsheet.

Cool, if anyone is interested in total accuracy of the list we're bringing 3 robots total.

Also, surprising to not see 294 going.

[ChrisH]

Cool, if anyone is interested in total accuracy of the list we're bringing 3 robots total.

Also, surprising to not see 294 going.

Last time I talked to somebody on the team they were planning to come. But that was a while ago. 330 didn't sign up until this weekend and won't have their first team meeting until tomorrow night.

Which is a long way of saying teams are still getting their acts together, even World Champs have trouble with this.

[EagleEngineer]

So just for clarification what are the rules at the Fall Classic? is it going to be the same as the IRI rules, or the regular season rules??

[David Brinza]

So just for clarification what are the rules at the Fall Classic? is it going to be the same as the IRI rules, or the regular season rules??
IRI-esque rules:

Scoring and Rule Changes

Scoring and rules will be the same as the official FIRST 2011 LogoMotion game with the following exceptions:


Ubertubes may be place on scoring pegs during teleoperated mode to double point value of any game piece placed over the Ubertube. Only Ubertubes placed during autonomous mode earn a 6-point bonus.

Game pieces scored on the bottom row are worth 2-points each (rather than 1-point).

Minibot scoring is as follows: 1st and 2nd place - 20 points, 3rd and 4th place - 15 points

Alliance Selection & Tournament Play

With more than 20 teams competing, the elimination tournament will be played with 6 Alliances. The #1 and #2 alliances will receive "byes" in the quarterfinal round and compete as semi-finalists.

Alliances will consist of four teams. Alliance selection will be in forward order (1, 2, 3, ...) for the second teams, in forward order for the third teams, and in reverse order for the fourth teams. The alliance captains will have full discretion on which three teams play each match. There is no requirement that all teams in the alliance play an elimination match.

If less than 24 robots compete, the 6 alliances will consist of at least 3 teams. Alliances will select fourth team members in the last (serpentine) round until no robots remain. Semifinal alliances with 3 robots will select 4th robots from teams eliminated in the quarterfinals (in serpentine order).

Alliances are allowed one six-minute time-out during the Tournament Play. Alliances may not give their time out to the other alliance.

[AdamHeard]

the elimination tournament will be played with 6 Alliances. The #1 and #2 alliances will receive "byes" in the quarterfinal round and compete as semi-fi

Do the #1 and #2 seed have the option of passing on these bye's ? :D

[David Brinza]

Do the #1 and #2 seed have the option of passing on these bye's ? :D
If we're tight on time (as we usually are) the quarterfinals are likely to be a single "play-in" match into the semis.

We don't want the #1 and #2 seeds to be short-changed on the number of matches played.

[AdamHeard]

Any of the teams coming have a spare jaguar by any chance? Just blew one tonight on our newest creation and it puts a serious damper on drive.

[rcmolloy]

Any of the teams coming have a spare jaguar by any chance? Just blew one tonight on our newest creation and it puts a serious damper on drive.

*Like*

[connor.worley]

Any of the teams coming have a spare jaguar by any chance? Just blew one tonight on our newest creation and it puts a serious damper on drive.

We've got plenty of greys, and I think we have some black jags too. I'll check tomorrow.

[AdamHeard]

We've got plenty of greys, and I think we have some black jags too. I'll check tomorrow.

Awesome! Thanks guys!

[Jeremy Germita]

Any of the teams coming have a spare jaguar by any chance? Just blew one tonight on our newest creation and it puts a serious damper on drive.

If you still need one, we have plenty of spare grays :)

[Jeremy Germita]

Also, 399 is planning on recording the event. It will just take some time to split and upload the videos.

[Mk.32]

Hello all, after finally get back
Team 3647 would like to thank everyone for an awesome day of competition and our alliance partners 399/980/696 for our final run.
Hope you all had a great time, and to see you all at the BOTB/next season.
Peace.

[David Brinza]

A very successful 2011 SCRRF Fall Classic is in the books!

Many thanks to WRRF for providing the field, BAE Systems for covering transportation and materials, Los Angeles Region FLL for power distribution and audio video equipment, and, most importantly, all the volunteers (field setup/teardown, referees, scorekeepers, field reset) so critical to the success of the event.

Before the elimination matches, a brief ceremony was held thanking Jim Beck for his service and dedication to FIRST Robotics in Southern California. Student representatives from each team gave a brief "thank you" and shook hands with Jim.

The elimination round included six alliances, with single-match eliminations in the first round. The event culminated in a very exciting set of finals matches, requiring three games to decide the Championship. Team 696 (Circuit Breakers) were called upon as a back-up robot in the Finals by the #4 alliance.

Here are the results:

http://i33.photobucket.com/albums/d83/dbrinza/2011FallClassicResults.png

[teachsail]

Thank you WRRF and SCRRF, great event!

[Jeremy Germita]

On behalf of team 399, I'd like to thank quite a few entities...

Thanks to SCRRF, team 980, and all volunteers for making this a great event!

Thanks to our elimination partners, 3647, 980, and 696 for an awesome run in the elims and helping us to make a third consecutive appearance in the finals! Too bad we couldn't pull out a win as we've done in the past two years, but it was an awesome run nonetheless!
Thanks to 696 for coming in during the finals and assisting us in lieu of 980.

Thanks to 973, 1538, and 3973 for giving us a great set of 3 finals matches! Congrats on your win!

Thanks to 696, 362, and 1138(in the quarterfinals) and 1197, 330, and 702(in the semifinals) for giving our drive team a really exciting set of matches!

Thanks to team 1323 for letting two of our members drive your robot! I was the member who drove during the last two qual matches. Also, thanks for the interesting conversation between your drive coach and myself.

It was great meeting a lot of people! Specifically Mk.32 from 3467, RC from 1323, and others.

Thanks from myself, and 399!