Will we ever get a hint #2?

[DavisC]

Well, so far its only been 1 game hint (which was posted 17 days ago), since its been so long since the hint, do you think they plan on putting another one out or are they done?
I was really hoping for a fun Hint this year, really been my 1st time checking for them... :mad:

[pfreivald]

Inevitably. They always drop at least one during the kickoff speeches... :D

[Billfred]

They've got a little under three weeks to post it--patience may be required.

I mean really, have you ever tried to schedule Dean and the scuba diving trainer in Manchester in winter? ;)

[Steven Donow]

Probably sometime this week or next week. They'd logically release it around the halfway point between hint #1 and kickoff.

[Hallry]

I bet even the GDC is still trying to figure out the last one =P

But 17 days since the first one, 19 days until Kickoff...tomorrow is looking pretty good for a nice halfway-mark ;)

[avanboekel]

Last year, we didn't receive the first game hint until 12-21. The second was released 1-04. This was only 4 days before kickoff. We may have another 2 weeks before our next hint (if there is a second hint).

[Ninja_Bait]

Is the lack of a hint a hint in itself? Perhaps they are indicating that we have already figured it out.

Because it's a water game, and we knew it all along. :rolleyes:

[mdiradoorian]

Doubt it will be a water game, but always a possibility.

For the game hint #2 it may come soon or it may not it all depends on GDC.

[ratdude747]

Is the lack of a hint a hint in itself? Perhaps they are indicating that we have already figured it out.

Because it's a water game, and we knew it all along. :rolleyes:

or maybe the whole point is 1.

maybe 1 alliance? maybe 1 goal? perhaps 1 game piece? maybe 1 driver?

[Andrew Schreiber]

Most definitely, it may not be this year though.

[Grim Tuesday]

2001 was one alliance, one goal, so they've already done that. 11 years later? Lots of 1's in there.

11 years after 2001
1 year after 2011
1 alliance
1 hint


It's clear.

[Ninja_Bait]

2001 was one alliance, one goal, so they've already done that. 11 years later? Lots of 1's in there.

11 years after 2001
1 year after 2011
1 goal
1 alliance
1 hint


It's clear.

There will be exactly one water game.

[ratdude747]

There will be exactly one water game.

and that already happened in 1993. rug rage. water filled balls.

[Ninja_Bait]

and that already happened in 1993. rug rage. water filled balls.

Aha, we solved the hint. This year's game is DEFINITELY NOT A WATER GAME. Trolls defeated for good.

[DavisC]

I randomly realized this; 2500 photosensors are not on the 1st game hint, but the Line Trackers were provided by Rockwell Automation... Guess we aren't following lines this year.

On the 2011 KOP list was made me think that.

Rockwell Automation Line Tracking Sensors

Rockwell Automation Signal LED

http://www.usfirst.org/roboticsprograms/frc/frc-kit-of-parts

[zaphodp.jensen]

It is quite possible that they are not planning on releasing another game hint until quite close to the kickoff, because I feel like we got really close to the actual game with the first hint, due to all of the information provided inside that parts list. Usually, the game hints are a cryptic picture, like with Breakaway, which was a picture of the ball return flipped upside down... but with all of the information they gave us with the parts list, it could be that they are worried that we know too much... ;)

[EricH]

Usually, the game hints are a cryptic picture, like with Breakaway, which was a picture of the ball return flipped upside down... but with all of the information they gave us with the parts list, it could be that they are worried that we know too much... ;)
Riddle, Riddle, Riddle, Riddle, picture, {IR receiver, GPS coordinates, anagram/riddle}, {picture, riddle), CAD picture x2, picture x2, parts list
2003, 2004, 2005, 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012

By my count, that's 6 riddles, 6 pictures, and 3 miscellaneous puzzles in the last 10 hint seasons. (To be fair, two riddles were simply equations or lines from songs.)

Most recently, pictures have been the medium of choice... but for the old-timers, you can't beat a riddle! Especially with the diabolical ways that any given riddle could be turned around to point towards the game in multiple ways. So many ways to interpret a line like "seeing Montana's green heights" (2006 hint, last line of the riddle) that point to a tall target, throwing things, and using the camera to see green... Just as an example, you understand. Imagine what that would to to you in full context.

[ratdude747]

I randomly realized this; 2500 photosensors are not on the 1st game hint, but the Line Trackers were provided by Rockwell Automation... Guess we aren't following lines this year.

On the 2011 KOP list was made me think that.

http://www.usfirst.org/roboticsprograms/frc/frc-kit-of-parts

line sensors are on the FIRST Choice list... so that means nothing. only some teams actually used the sensors for logomotion...

[Karibou]

Most recently, pictures have been the medium of choice... but for the old-timers, you can't beat a riddle! Especially with the diabolical ways that any given riddle could be turned around to point towards the game in multiple ways. So many ways to interpret a line like "seeing Montana's green heights" (2006 hint, last line of the riddle) that point to a tall target, throwing things, and using the camera to see green... Just as an example, you understand. Imagine what that would to to you in full context.

I'd like a riddle again. Those are fun, though I don't know that we ever fully solved the one from 2009...



line sensors are on the FIRST Choice list... so that means nothing. only some teams actually used the sensors for logomotion...
But if line tracking is a component of the field, it would be in the KOP. If it hadn't been included in the kit and some teams wanted to do line tracking, but couldn't afford a sensor, there would be a lot of complaining. They wouldn't be adequately prepared for the game. While having it through FIRST Choice helps, not everybody gets what they want (similar to the Tetrix kits last year).

[WizenedEE]

I randomly realized this; 2500 photosensors are not on the 1st game hint, but the Line Trackers were provided by Rockwell Automation... Guess we aren't following lines this year.

The only context for that list is "Rockwell Automation has again agreed to generously donate components we need for the 2012 FRC season. Check it out. You may find it very interesting." It was never explicitly said that the list is what Rockwell donated, much less whether it was all they donated or if it was all FIRST was ever going to buy or get donated to by Rockwell.

I'm willing to bet there will be lines on the field this year due to the FIRST Choice thing and because they worked well last year (and since there are always some sort of lines that are reflective)

[Sean Raia]

I think we didnt get close at all on the first hint, people interpreted it too bluntly. They are never that obvious as people have guessed.

So on topic: they will most likely release one this week... If at all.

[thefro526]

I'm willing to bet there will be lines on the field this year due to the FIRST Choice thing and because they worked well last year (and since there are always some sort of lines that are reflective)

Not 'always'. True, there are lines on the field each year, but they're not always reflective, or at least not in the sense you're thinking. If memory serves me, 2003, 2004, 2005 (Not too sure on this one) and 2011, are the only games that had lines on the field specifically for tracking.

2006 and 2007 encouraged vision tracking, 2008 relied heavily on the IR board, 2009 encouraged vision tracking (and just moving, really), 2010 encouraged vision tracking, and 2011 was the first game in recent memory that specifically encouraged line tracking. (Note this is all in reference to Autonomous Mode, and just because something was encouraged doesn't mean it was 'necessary'.)

[Brandon Zalinsky]

"We don't have a second hint? It IS a water game. Nothing is like a hole, because it is empty. what can you fill a hole with? water. Or magnets." <<<< Postitive proof of a water game, as said by a student on our team.

[DavisC]

well, didn't 2010 have a single line down the middle that teams could track to go through the tunnel nicely?

[Taylor]

Well, so far its only been 1 game hint (which was posted 17 days ago), since its been so long since the hint, do you think they plan on putting another one?

Heavens, I hope not.

[thefro526]

well, didn't 2010 have a single line down the middle that teams could track to go through the tunnel nicely?

The 'Center Line' on the 2010 Field wasn't explicitly there for line tracking. It's primary purpose was to divide the field into a left and right side for pre-match positioning and to give a 'do not cross' point in autonomous.

I'm sure you could have tracked the line if you wanted but then you risked violating G18.

[Sean Raia]

Heavens, I hope not.

May i ask why?

[Dad1279]

The way I count, we have already received two hints, quite possibly 3.

[Karibou]

The way I count, we have already received two hints, quite possibly 3.

What is the other one/two?

[pandamonium]

I count 3 hints as well, KineKt, Heavy field, and sensors.

The 20th of December has come but not past...

[EricH]

If memory serves me, 2003, 2004, 2005 (Not too sure on this one) and 2011, are the only games that had lines on the field specifically for tracking.Not 2005--the only lines on the field were marking the Home Zone for start/endgame. There were marker lines, but those marked Vision Tetra positions.

[Dad1279]

I count 3 hints as well, KineKt, Heavy field, and sensors.

The 20th of December has come but not past...


I count:
#1a - http://frcdirector.blogspot.com/2011/10/something-to-end-your-week.html
#1b - http://www.usfirst.org/aboutus/pressroom/first-adds-kinect-for-2012
#1c - http://blogs.msdn.com/b/alfredth/archive/2011/10/07/be-the-robot.aspx
#2 - http://frcdirector.blogspot.com/2011/11/wooden-beams-have-started-creaking.html
#3 - http://frcdirector.blogspot.com/2011/12/frc-game-hint-1.html

IMHO more useful info released above pre-season than any previous 'hints'

[zaphodp.jensen]

I count:
#1a - http://frcdirector.blogspot.com/2011/10/something-to-end-your-week.html
#1b - http://www.usfirst.org/aboutus/pressroom/first-adds-kinect-for-2012
#1c - http://blogs.msdn.com/b/alfredth/archive/2011/10/07/be-the-robot.aspx
#2 - http://frcdirector.blogspot.com/2011/11/wooden-beams-have-started-creaking.html
#3 - http://frcdirector.blogspot.com/2011/12/frc-game-hint-1.html

IMHO more useful info released above pre-season than any previous 'hints'

But 1c is not an actual FIRST sponsored hint...

[xSAWxBLADEx]

I count:
#1a - http://frcdirector.blogspot.com/2011/10/something-to-end-your-week.html
#1b - http://www.usfirst.org/aboutus/pressroom/first-adds-kinect-for-2012
#1c - http://blogs.msdn.com/b/alfredth/archive/2011/10/07/be-the-robot.aspx
#2 - http://frcdirector.blogspot.com/2011/11/wooden-beams-have-started-creaking.html
#3 - http://frcdirector.blogspot.com/2011/12/frc-game-hint-1.html

IMHO more useful info released above pre-season than any previous 'hints'

From "Hint #2" we know this year's game will involve Legos :) (look up "200 Bedford Street Manchester, NH 03101" in google and click on the first link for the see science center their main exhibit is a Lego thing) and its the 25th anniversity of the science center

[Andrew Lawrence]

From "Hint #2" we know this year's game will involve Legos :) (look up "200 Bedford Street Manchester, NH 03101" in google and click on the first link for the see science center their main exhibit is a Lego thing) and its the 25th anniversity of the science center

Using NXTs? I hope it's not minibots again...

[pfreivald]

If it is minibots, I hope it's a true autonomous, NXT-brick-controlled situation wherein one must design for something other than all-out speed.

[thefro526]

If it is minibots, I hope it's a true autonomous, NXT-brick-controlled situation wherein one must design for something other than all-out speed.

Making FLL-ish bots would be sort of neat, not too expensive, not too hard to make, and they wouldn't require us to burn out thousands (talking all of FRC teams here) of $30 motors............

[Peter Matteson]

Making FLL-ish bots would be sort of neat, not too expensive, not too hard to make, and they wouldn't require us to burn out thousands (talking all of FRC teams here) of $30 motors............

I really don't want to be forced to build 30 minibots again to be competitive all season. It was too expensive, too much time and too little advantage when as soon as teams saw our minibot, 40's, and 190's deployment week 2 last year everyone else copied them and didn't run through the same development iterations we did but were able to capitalize on our work.

[Andrew Schreiber]

I really don't want to be forced to build 30 minibots again to be competitive all season. It was too expensive, too much time and too little advantage when as soon as teams saw our minibot, 40's, and 190's deployment week 2 last year everyone else copied them and didn't run through the same development iterations we did but were able to capitalize on our work.

Disclaimer: I disliked minibots as I felt it was a drain on resources for many teams. I'm just playing devils advocate.

<devils advocate>
How is this any different than what happened in 2010 with the collectors? Or has happened in the years since the early 2000's with the copying of 254/60's drive system? Or since 2003 with the TechnoKats transmissions? Point is that a lot of engineering is stealing from the best.
</devils advocate>

[Peter Matteson]

Disclaimer: I disliked minibots as I felt it was a drain on resources for many teams. I'm just playing devils advocate.

<devils advocate>
How is this any different than what happened in 2010 with the collectors? Or has happened in the years since the early 2000's with the copying of 254/60's drive system? Or since 2003 with the TechnoKats transmissions? Point is that a lot of engineering is stealing from the best.
</devils advocate>

In the case of minibots the rules were written in a way to encourage copying of someone elses design during the build season. Mini-bots were specifically excluded from the witholding allowance to encourage bringing many of them so they wouldn't count against your robot witholding allowance.

In the case of the 2010 collectors you had to trade a new collector with other upgrade parts more carefully because of the weight of the system, but it is generally the same.

As for copying WCD most teams can't do that in the middle of build season and comply with witholding rules, and when WCD was introduced you really couldn't carry something like that in pre-made because the spare/replacement parts rules were far more restrictive.

The T-kats shifter they published the design for all to use after the season. Again you couldn't walk in to a regional with the parts pre-made slap them on and go.

The minibot you could see a few pictures and know most of the stuff we tested endlessly to figure out.

[artK]

I count:
#1a - http://frcdirector.blogspot.com/2011/10/something-to-end-your-week.html
#1b - http://www.usfirst.org/aboutus/pressroom/first-adds-kinect-for-2012
#1c - http://blogs.msdn.com/b/alfredth/archive/2011/10/07/be-the-robot.aspx
#2 - http://frcdirector.blogspot.com/2011/11/wooden-beams-have-started-creaking.html
#3 - http://frcdirector.blogspot.com/2011/12/frc-game-hint-1.html

IMHO more useful info released above pre-season than any previous 'hints'

Anyone else note that in 1a, Bill spells "peek" meaning "look behind something" as "peak" meaning "High point of a field"?
Forgive me if someone already noted this, in either this or another thread.

[Rangel(kf7fdb)]

If it is minibots, I hope it's a true autonomous, NXT-brick-controlled situation wherein one must design for something other than all-out speed.

I hope they get rid of minibots completely. I'd much rather have a challenge like building a hanging mechanism or climbing on top of another robot than play around with an nxt like I did 4 years ago.

[xSAWxBLADEx]

I hope they get rid of minibots completely. I'd much rather have a challenge like building a hanging mechanism or climbing on top of another robot than play around with an nxt like I did 4 years ago.

me too but i guess minibots are the "future" of FIRST Robotics :/

[Sean Raia]

I think Minibots were amazing, aside from their extreme regulations.
They seemed to be a really crowd pleaser for the spectators.

On topic: Still no hint?? I really hope there's one tomorrow. I want something (new) to speculate on!

[GaryVoshol]

Patience, grasshopper.

[xSAWxBLADEx]

On topic: Still no hint?? I really hope there's one tomorrow. I want something (new) to speculate on!

I still havent completely solved the official Hint #1...it's a lot to soak in (maybe the GDC thought we needed more time on this one because it's so big)

[Peyton Yeung]

Patience, grasshopper.

I didn't think he was from team 95 ;)

[xSAWxBLADEx]

I didn't think he was from team 95 ;)

I wish there was a like button on Chief Delphi. :) -hits like button-

[bibleboy932]

What was the 1st Hint anyway?
:yikes: By the way Water + Electricity = Bad Magic Smoke::safety::

[pfreivald]

What was the 1st Hint anyway?
:yikes: By the way Water + Electricity = Bad Magic Smoke::safety::

And bad magic dancing participants.

[xSAWxBLADEx]

What was the 1st Hint anyway?
:yikes: By the way Water + Electricity = Bad Magic Smoke::safety::

The list of materials from rockwell

[Chris is me]

The minibot you could see a few pictures and know most of the stuff we tested endlessly to figure out.

The flip side of the coin is that many teams, for whatever reason (i.e. not fundraising enough) simply did not have a budget big enough to really work on minibots. I know we copied entirely because we wanted to have something vaguely competitive without sinking $60 every time we made any kind of mistake. We didn't budget for that and we certainly couldn't add that unexpected cost to our budget once the season began.

So basically, the teams that could afford to really participate in the minibot challenge didn't get to keep their advantage, and the teams that couldn't afford iterative design could either develop a substandard minibot or blindly copy others.

[pfreivald]

The flip side of the coin is that many teams, for whatever reason (i.e. not fundraising enough) simply did not have a budget big enough to really work on minibots. I know we copied entirely because we wanted to have something vaguely competitive without sinking $60 every time we made any kind of mistake. We didn't budget for that and we certainly couldn't add that unexpected cost to our budget once the season began.

So basically, the teams that could afford to really participate in the minibot challenge didn't get to keep their advantage, and the teams that couldn't afford iterative design could either develop a substandard minibot or blindly copy others.

We spent about $100 total and had the highest-scoring minibot at FLR. Sure, it wouldn't compete at Championship, and both 340 and 2053 had faster, but it was very, very consistent.

Instead of killing motors and buying loads and loads of new ones, we (a) bypassed the inductor once we'd burned them out and (b) put lower fuses in our electrical system. Then, when we finally had what we were happy with, we swapped out for COTS motors.

[Mr_I]

We spent about $100 total and had the highest-scoring minibot at FLR. Sure, it wouldn't compete at Championship, and both 340 and 2053 had faster, but it was very, very consistent.

Instead of killing motors and buying loads and loads of new ones, we (a) bypassed the inductor once we'd burned them out and (b) put lower fuses in our electrical system. Then, when we finally had what we were happy with, we swapped out for COTS motors.

We spent a bit more than that, but that's mostly because none of us had any experience with Tetrix parts (and the "fragile" motors).

I honestly hope that we do have something similar to the mini-bots this year. It was a fascinating variation on the game, and introduced a new line of thinking. And, yes, I hope that the mini-bots will be intelligent, although I would hope that they don't limit us to Tetrix; those can be expensive.

[Mr. Mike]

I have wondered if this was some kind of hint
Bills Blog August 23, 2011
I enjoyed the chance to talk to a number of suppliers and had an interesting conversation with NI about the benefits and challenges of wrapping the new cRIO FRCII in shrink wrap. My thanks to everyone who helped make the summit possible.

[ratdude747]

I have wondered if this was some kind of hint
Bills Blog August 23, 2011

antistatic shrinkwrap?

or for teams who are celebrating xmas, gift wrap? (anybody else dream about finding one under the tree?)

[bearbot]

Just my two cents being an alumni now their have been several hints throughout BIlls blog the steep hill the kinect a heavy fields althought its prolly not a water game it will have an Automonus teleop and kinect phase for the ending and for the kinect im guessing you use hand motion to coontol ur robot up a hill and massive scoring element in the middle:cool:

[FIRSTtm134]

Bill hasn't posted yet this week. Expect one very soon..

[Sean Raia]

STILL no hint #2? This is madness.

[stundt1]

STILL no hint #2? This is madness.

im guessing later today. He usually releases it later in the day I think.

[Alan Anderson]

Perhaps the lack of an official second hint is a hint.

[Chexposito]

2005: tetrahedral (open shape) game
2006: nerf ball game
2007: tube game
2008: exercise ball game
2009: open shape sphere game
2010: soccer ball game
2011: tube game

pattern?

[Andrew Lawrence]

2005: tetrahedral (open shape) game
2006: nerf ball game
2007: tube game
2008: exercise ball game
2009: open shape sphere game
2010: soccer ball game
2011: tube game

pattern?

YES! :ahh: All of them are GAMES! :D /sarcasm/

[Ninja_Bait]

YES! :ahh: All of them are GAMES! :D /sarcasm/

True, but you're missing the REAL pattern. This is a cycle that MUST end in 2012: water game!

:rolleyes:

[Andrew Lawrence]

True, but you're missing the REAL pattern. This is a cycle that MUST end in 2012: water game!

:rolleyes:

GENIUS! :D This is a once-in-a-life-time-completely-awesome-totally-original idea! And yes, that is one word. :)

[JohnSchneider]

Dont people use exercise balls in water?

[Chexposito]

True, but you're missing the REAL pattern. This is a cycle that MUST end in 2012: water game!

:rolleyes:

i openly welcome our large game piece overlords

[FIRSTtm134]

True, but you're missing the REAL pattern. This is a cycle that MUST end in 2012: water game!

:rolleyes:

Bill DID say that it was a heavy field..

[Andrew Lawrence]

To answer the original question: Yes, we will get a "hint #2". It may not be for this game, but eventually, we WILL get a "hint #2".

All sarcasm aside, I think that the first hint was a bit early, and though it's shame on FIRST for making this long waiting period between hints, I can assume another one is coming in the days ahead. If memory serves correct (though I don't trust my memory), we got a hint a few days before kickoff in 2011.

[ratdude747]

i openly welcome our large game piece overlords

In FIRST's efforts to make FTC mentoring quasi-mandatory, they will make us play with 16lb bowling balls. you have to bowl the balls on a lane, using the high speed sensors. you have to use minibots to reset the pins :D

[Chexposito]

In FIRST's efforts to make FTC mentoring quasi-mandatory, they will make us play with 16lb bowling balls. you have to bowl the balls on a lane, using the high speed sensors. you have to use minibots to reset the pins :D

i was saying more in volume, but i can imagine the carnage of 16 lb bowling balls being thrown across the field and at mini-bots

[Andrew Lawrence]

In FIRST's efforts to make FTC mentoring quasi-mandatory, they will make us play with 16lb bowling balls. you have to bowl the balls on a lane, using the high speed sensors. you have to use minibots to reset the pins :D

I'd like to throw a bowling ball at minibots...

[JaneYoung]

I would so love another game hint!

It feels kind of like a happy puppy waiting for someone to throw that tennis ball. Waiting.. waiting.. waiting... I really hope I don't start drooling, jumping, and barking - that would be embarrassing even for me.

:)
Jane

[Dkt01]

Maybe the next hint will be a lightly-encrypted fake game manual.

[Andrew Schreiber]

Guys, the second game hint was a donated parts list from Banebots. Sadly it, like the gearboxes, has a 2-5 week lead time.

[Andrew Lawrence]

Guys, the second game hint was a donated parts list from Banebots. Sadly it, like the gearboxes, has a 2-5 week lead time.

Wait, really? I never saw that. FIRST wouldn't release game hints early like that. If they really did release a list, then I doubt it would have been a hint.

[SteveGPage]

Guys, the second game hint was a donated parts list from Banebots. Sadly it, like the gearboxes, has a 2-5 week lead time.

That would be great! It would be awesome to read the second hint in mid-January!

[SteveGPage]

Has anyone seen this logo before? I haven't. Maybe I've missed the "smiley" motif as an official FIRST design. If not, could this be something related to this year's game?

http://www.logolocltd.com/frcstore/Tees.html

[Andrew Lawrence]

Has anyone seen this logo before? I haven't. Maybe I've missed the "smiley" motif as an official FIRST design. If not, could this be something related to this year's game?

http://www.logolocltd.com/frcstore/Tees.html

Never seen it before. In fact, I've been on that tshirt page a few times and never have seen those shirts before. Maybe they are something. Maybe they're not. Who knows (aside from the GDC)?

[SteveGPage]

Has anyone seen this logo before? I haven't. Maybe I've missed the "smiley" motif as an official FIRST design. If not, could this be something related to this year's game?

http://www.logolocltd.com/frcstore/Tees.html

Looks like it was something from 2004. Quotes are from that year as well.

[ratdude747]

Looks like it was something from 2004. Quotes are from that year as well.

maybe another multigame remix like in 04?

like the balls from 2006, the bumps like in 2010, the regolith from 2009, and crazy lane penalties from this year, and god forbid, minibot towers... that would be a crazy game... imagine trying to cross bumps on the regolith using rover wheels :eek:

[Andrew Lawrence]

maybe another multigame remix like in 04?

like the balls from 2006, the bumps like in 2010, the regolith from 2009, and crazy lane penalties from this year, and god forbid, minibot towers... that would be a crazy game... imagine trying to cross bumps on the regolith using rover wheels :eek:

For once, I'd actually not do FRC one year if that happened.

[PAR_WIG1350]

http://first.logolocltd.com/accessories/39361-FRST-White-TangleStressRelv.html


Found in FIRST store... </grasping at straws>

[Chexposito]

maybe another multigame remix like in 04?

like the balls from 2006, the bumps like in 2010, the regolith from 2009, and crazy lane penalties from this year, and god forbid, minibot towers... that would be a crazy game... imagine trying to cross bumps on the regolith using rover wheels :eek:

regolith is the devil, especially with the required wheels

[Andrew Lawrence]

http://first.logolocltd.com/accessories/39361-FRST-White-TangleStressRelv.html


Found in FIRST store... </grasping at straws>

Looks like a Lunacy ball. No wonder it's a "stress" ball! /youseewhatIdidthere?/

[zaphodp.jensen]

Has anyone seen this logo before? I haven't. Maybe I've missed the "smiley" motif as an official FIRST design. If not, could this be something related to this year's game?

http://www.logolocltd.com/frcstore/Tees.html

But are they game hints? Why would FIRST risk a leak of this years' game by letting in other companies in on the design?

Any game hints would be posted on their own website. I can see making us dig through the source code on their website to find a game hint, but I can't see them posting it on an another website where you have to search online for it...

Anyway, right now, most of us are just grasping at straws...

Come on game hint...




Where are you?

[GlassPrison142]

maybe another multigame remix like in 04?

like the balls from 2006, the bumps like in 2010, the regolith from 2009, and crazy lane penalties from this year, and god forbid, minibot towers... that would be a crazy game... imagine trying to cross bumps on the regolith using rover wheels :eek:

Well at least we know this years field is carpet with the carpet tape on one of bills november posts. But there was also carpet under the regolith in 2009 so who knows

[Ninja_Bait]

Well at least we know this years field is carpet with the carpet tape on one of bills november posts. But there was also carpet under the regolith in 2009 so who knows

So, as usual, we know pretty much nothing for sure. Curse you GDC! /fistshake

[jdunston94]

Very first line in one of Bills many blogs....
Looking back at this year look at the past disaster in Japan and the issues in the gulf. Think about maybe like a disaster recovery type of idea. And it is a water game...



"The tidal wave of field and game elements is on its way."
-First paragraph of bills blog 11/16/11


http://frcdirector.blogspot.com/2011/11/wooden-beams-have-started-creaking.html

(Credit goes to a fellow member of team 3357 not me)

[Andrew Lawrence]

IDK if this is something, but I guess we're desperate for anything now:

Tweet on Andymark's website:


iR3Creative Modulox accessories ready to ship to @andymarkinc just in time for FRC 2012. More details at Modulox.com #omgrobots http://t.co/isvC5d5f

[Sean Raia]

Any hint at a water game is a red herring. They drop these occasionaly just to watch people over-analyze them. The t-shirt logos seem to tell us nothing. I wouldnt expect a hint today anyway, not when most people are going to be away from home busy with various parties/whathaveyou. I WOULD expect one tomorow. If they dont release one by monday i can assure you there will not be a new hint before kickoff.

[Andrew Lawrence]

Any hint at a water game is a red herring. They drop these occasionaly just to watch people over-analyze them. The t-shirt logos seem to tell us nothing. I wouldnt expect a hint today anyway, not when most people are going to be away from home busy with various parties/whathaveyou. I WOULD expect one tomorow. If they dont release one by monday i can assure you there will not be a new hint before kickoff.

Last year a hint was released 3 or 4 days before kickoff, so imma give them till Wednesday.

[Sean Raia]

I must have missed that one. Oh GDC, y u no simply release hint now?

[Andrew Lawrence]

I must have missed that one. Oh GDC, y u no simply release hint now?

Because they are on CD right now, watching this thread, and laughing at our torture.

Dean's probably sitting in his chair saying "Dance puppets, dance!"

[Sean Raia]

Or maybe they are trying to tell us we already guessed the game. People typically only give hints when the answer is still undiscovered

[FIRSTtm134]

Any hint at a water game is a red herring. They drop these occasionaly just to watch people over-analyze them. The t-shirt logos seem to tell us nothing. I wouldnt expect a hint today anyway, not when most people are going to be away from home busy with various parties/whathaveyou. I WOULD expect one tomorow. If they dont release one by monday i can assure you there will not be a new hint before kickoff.

I give them until wednesday. we WILL be receiving a hint #2 because they labeled the first one hint #1.. they would just say the 2012 game hint if there was only one. I dont expect one today or tomorrow on account of the holiday. But I do expect one monday tuesday or wednesday.

On the topic of a water game: If we have one the GDC will toy with us and make our robots use super soakers! darn you GDC!!

[bearbot]

yea i give them till wensaday we maybe close but yet so far from the real game like the hint of the moon fish for lunacy the game prolly like the titanic sinking the heavy field rocks back and forth and you score points in a specific goal possible even minibot towers and smoke stacks

[Joe Ross]

The next hint will be game hint #3. Everyone will go crazy trying to figure out which of the fake hints was hint #2. http://www.snopes.com/college/pranks/livestock.asp

[Ninja_Bait]

The next hint will be game hint #3. Everyone will go crazy trying to figure out which of the fake hints was hint #2. http://www.snopes.com/college/pranks/livestock.asp

I could see this happening to us. Gosh, I better get out of Chief Delphi before it's too late.

[Hallry]

Maybe through the elongated period between the first hint and the second hint they're trying to show us that they still haven't fixed the all of the long field connection issues? :yikes: ;)

[Ankit S.]

If you ever see a hint about a water game, remember this (http://d37nnnqwv9amwr.cloudfront.net/photos/images/original/000/001/384/Atrapitis.gif).

After you remember that, then you can continue speculating :p.



Happy New Years to people who live far East enough!!

[davepowers]

I'm extremely sorry for this.
http://memegenerator.net/cache/instances/400x/12/12452/12751227.jpg
-D

[GlassPrison142]

I'm extremely sorry for this.
http://memegenerator.net/cache/instances/400x/12/12452/12751227.jpg
-D
i lol'd irl

but anyway, its been over a week now since bill posted his last blog (which was on the 21st) and he usually posts every 3 or 4 days. Now that it is the new year, I'd expect one coming very soon

[ameriswissy]

I'm extremely sorry for this.
http://memegenerator.net/cache/instances/400x/12/12452/12751227.jpg
-D

FRC meme series. who's up for it? :D

[Christopher149]

The picture in the last three posts is not showing for me (IE or Chrome). What is it?

[Andrew Lawrence]

FRC meme series. who's up for it? :D

Sorry for this too.

http://www.myfacewhen.net/uploads/961-aww-yeah.jpg

[Ninja_Bait]

http://memegenerator.net/cache/instances/400x/12/12466/12765545.jpg

[Andrew Lawrence]

Ok, before this thread becomes a random picture thread, lets get back on task (even though I lolled at Ninja Bait's one).

Everyone check Bill's Blog, the FIRST website, and anything else the next 2 days to check for a hint asap.

[Ankit S.]

Oh might as well...

We should also check Will.i.am's blog, just in case he has a dope hint!

[Andrew Lawrence]

^This. This is gonna be on the flyer I'm gonna give my team for the pre-season meeting. :)

[Chickenonastick]

http://i40.tinypic.com/4vstvq.jpg

[davepowers]

Oh god, look what i've started. Again, I'm sorry ChiefDelphi. :rolleyes:

-D

[GlassPrison142]

4 days 18 hours 47 minutes and 34 seconds until kickoff and still no second hint.

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[Andrew Lawrence]

4 days 18 hours 47 minutes and 34 seconds until kickoff and still no second hint.

qqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqq

I think you mean we have 4 days 18 hours 17 minutes and 33 seconds for a hint to show up! :)

[avanboekel]

If we havn't received a second hint by now, I don't think we will get one. My guess is that we came really close with the first hint, and they see no need for a second hint.

[JaneYoung]

These memes are awful. I love 'em. :)

Jane

[GlassPrison142]

If we havn't received a second hint by now, I don't think we will get one. My guess is that we came really close with the first hint, and they see no need for a second hint.

I don't think so, because I remember last year people on here and on my team put "logomotion" together based on the two hints, so I don't know.

I think we're all just really excited for kickoff and it's making us impatient for this 2nd hint

4 days!!!!!

[Sean Raia]

If we havn't received a second hint by now, I don't think we will get one. My guess is that we came really close with the first hint, and they see no need for a second hint.

The truth ^

TBH: We may get another hint. Im just hoping that if everyone shows enough impatience the GDC will give in.
;-)

[Grim Tuesday]

I would predict a second hint when they release the encrypted manual--likely tomorow or wednesday.

[jyh947]

I think that everyone needs to wait for at least one more day. Last year's second hint came out 4 days before Kickoff. Check this post for proof:
http://frcdirector.blogspot.com/2011/01/4-days-to-kickoff.html

[Andrew Lawrence]

I don't think so, because I remember last year people on here and on my team put "logomotion" together based on the two hints, so I don't know.

I think we're all just really excited for kickoff and it's making us impatient for this 2nd hint

4 days!!!!!

But last year we guessed the name, not the game. The first hint this year was directly related to the game, and therefore easier to guess. Knowing "Logomotion" last year in retrospect told us very little about the game, however with this year's hints we got a game field, with prospective pieces to be used. We could have already guessed this.

I'm still on your side of guessing another hint will be released, but I just wanted to share that little tidbit of information. :)

4 days! and some extra hours, minutes, and seconds which i'm not willing to count with

[Andrew Lawrence]

Tomarrow is wednesday...

Tomorrow is Tuesday.

[jdunston94]

Tomorrow is Tuesday.

yea sorry, im screwed up with the days after a long christmas break

[Libby K]

In regards to the hint:
I'm not even gonna touch this discussion.

However, FIRST memes?! Right up my alley.
You ALL need to see http://www.firsterfalcon.tumblr.com and follow it/submit to it/whatever. I came across it one night and lol'ed for about 10 minutes straight.

[Andrew Lawrence]

In regards to the hint:
I'm not even gonna touch this discussion.

However, FIRST memes?! Right up my alley.
You ALL need to see http://www.firsterfalcon.tumblr.com and follow it/submit to it/whatever. I came across it one night and lol'ed for about 10 minutes straight.

Best Tumblr ever! I was lolling at the first one! The rest were better! How'd you find this? One does not simply wonder onto a FIRSTMemes Tumblr.

[dag0620]

In regards to the hint:
I'm not even gonna touch this discussion.

However, FIRST memes?! Right up my alley.
You ALL need to see http://www.firsterfalcon.tumblr.com and follow it/submit to it/whatever. I came across it one night and lol'ed for about 10 minutes straight.

This is just too good. Me and one of my teammates came into school to work on a video script, and lets just say everyone was giving us strange looks as we read it.:D

[brndn]

Perhaps the lack of a second hint is a clue suggesting that, given the games nature, a second hint would reveal too much? Maybe it's just too difficult to insinuate details of the game without giving away too much information.

[arizonafoxx]

Where's Dave's Red Herring when you need one. Man I miss those days.

I wish they would come out with Game Hint 2 so I can stop checking CD every hour while I am at work. I don't care how obscure it is or if it is related to the name of the game (which tells us nothing) I just need a hint. LOL I would much rather be thinking about pure speculation that leads to nothing for the last 3 days than wondering if we will ever get a game hint.

[dlavery]

Where's Dave's Red Herring when you need one. Man I miss those days.

Are you REALLY sure you want to rock that boat? :D


-dave




.

[Karibou]

Are you REALLY sure you want to rock that boat? :D


-dave




.

And I said to DLav sit down, sit down you're rockin' the boat...



#MusicalGame2012

[dag0620]

Are you REALLY sure you want to rock that boat? :D


-dave




.

Red Herring :ahh:

[Sean Raia]

Did we just get a red herring? Oh joy!

[Bjenks548]

"rock that boat". I'll do it... WATER GAME! possibly Titanic themed!

[Tetraman]

Are you REALLY sure you want to rock that boat? :D

rock that boat?

boat

Water Game ;)

[Grim Tuesday]

rock that boat? :D

.

rock boat? :D

.


rock boat?

.


rock

.


Clearly a rock climbing game.

[James Kuszmaul]

Why are you all so intent on trying to guess the game now? Won't it be so much easier to guess after they release that manual about the game on the 7th? The manual is such an obvious hint, I really don't see why they don't keep the manual to themselves and let us listen to the wonderful and exciting speeches and actually force us to think to figure out the game?
But I guess that after the week one competitions, everyone would know for sure and then it would be no fun...

[plnyyanks]

Why are you all so intent on trying to guess the game now? Won't it be so much easier to guess after they release that manual about the game on the 7th? The manual is such an obvious hint, I really don't see why they don't keep the manual to themselves and let us listen to the wonderful and exciting speeches and actually force us to think to figure out the game?
But I guess that after the week one competitions, everyone would know for sure and then it would be no fun...

The manual that was released is heavily encrypted (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Advanced_Encryption_Standard), and nobody can actually read its contents. It's just released to alleviate the loads on FIRST servers this Saturday. FIRST will tell us the decryption password during kickoff (after the speeches). But the early release of the encrypted manual won't tell us anything about the game.

[James Kuszmaul]

But it will after the 7th, which is what I was saying in my post.

[Ninja_Bait]

Are you REALLY sure you want to rock that boat?

rock that boat?

that

Definite article game. ;)

[jyh947]

Are you REALLY sure you want to rock that boat? :D


-dave




.

rock that boat? :D
boat?
?

Not even dave knows what the game is.

[Ninja_Bait]

We could probably make a meme out of this kind of hint analysis. Don't tell SuperNerd!

[Andrew Lawrence]

We could probably make a meme out of this kind of hint analysis. Don't tell SuperNerd!

Too late. ;)

[RoboMaster]

I just about died when I saw that Bill's long awaited post was NOT a second hint. :( :( :(

[dag0620]

I just about died when I saw that Bill's long awaited post was NOT a second hint. :( :( :(

What's worse is when he linked to the post on his Facebook (where I first saw it) he said "Did you miss me? I'm back.". That really got my hopes up we had a second hint, but alas...

[Andrew Lawrence]

I just about died when I saw that Bill's long awaited post was NOT a second hint. :( :( :(

New FIRST meme: Trolling Dave. Quick, someone get a picture cutout of Dave and put it against a striped background! And then add an awesome caption!

[Flimsor]

Well it'll be here any day now. The kickoff is this Saturday, and last year's second clue was released just days before the kickoff, so there probably just is no lack of a clue as a clue. Any day now...

[Andrew Lawrence]

Well it'll be here any day now. The kickoff is this Saturday, and last year's second clue was released just days before the kickoff. Any day now...

Day?! You have no idea when the game hint ninjas will strike! They are fast, sneaky little things that post a hint when you are least expecting it! Days? It could be hours, minutes, seconds even! It could have been posted while you're reading this! Constant alert. Keep all eyes on Bill's Blog, email blasts, the FIRST website, and ANYTHING else possible. Kick off is less than 4 days away.

[Flimsor]

Day?! It could have been posted while you're reading this! Constant alert. Keep all eyes on Bill's Blog, email blasts, the FIRST website, and ANYTHING else possible. Kick off is less than 4 days away.

That's why I set Bill's Blog as a homepage for my browser.:cool:

[gyroscopeRaptor]

Are you REALLY sure you want to rock that boat? :D


-dave




.

Are you REALLY sure

REALLY

REAL

This year's game exists. Thanks for the reassurance, Dave.

[pfreivald]

Are you REALLY sure you want to rock that boat? :D

Are you REALLY sure

Are you REAL

Are

Ar

Yar. It be a fictional pirate game.

[IndySam]

Are you REALLY sure you want to rock that boat? :D


-dave




.

you REALLY sure you want to rock? :D



you REALLY you?


youyou?

A game to cure malaria?

[Hallry]

Okay, NOW I think we officially over-analyzed Dave's comments...::rtm::

[msimon785]

Yar. It be a fictional pirate game.

Well given that pirates ride on water-fairing vessels, better known as ships, one can only assume that based on this superficial "forensic" analysis, we will have the much anticipated Water Game.

[gyroscopeRaptor]

http://memegenerator.net/Trolling-Dave-Lavery

Go wild.

http://memegenerator.net/cache/instances/400x/12/12540/12841150.jpg

[Andrew Lawrence]

http://memegenerator.net/Trolling-Dave-Lavery

Go wild.

http://memegenerator.net/cache/instances/400x/12/12540/12841150.jpg

You are my hero! :D

[Grim Tuesday]

Ladies and gentlemen, a meme is born.

[Andrew Lawrence]

Already posed it on Tumblr along with the FIRSTer Falcon meme. It's getting kinda popular.

[JaneYoung]

You know... this could be worse than the real dlavery deal.

I wouldn't have thought that possible.

Jane

[Grim Tuesday]

Already posed it on Tumblr along with the FIRSTer Falcon meme. It's getting kinda popular.

Euch. Tumblr. Can we resurrect /r/frc?

[Andrew Lawrence]

Euch. Tumblr. Can we resurrect /r/frc?

Sure. I don't use Tumblr, BTW, but there's already a FIRST meme on it, I thought it would help increase popularity.

[Eric Sakshaug]

Back on track here. In 2011, the second game hint was in the decryption test. This year, the only thing in the decryption test was a link to the first game hint, so what? Big deal, right? Wrong. They said the first game hint. Implying what? There's more to come.

[Andrew Lawrence]

This thread has been alive for 13 almost 14 days, and still no new game hint. With a long wait like this, you know FIRST is up to something. They're releasing this hint late for a reason. Something tells me it's a pretty big hint, and they want us to have as little time to figure it out as possible. It most likely has something to do with HOW the game is played, and not the game name.

So now we do the math: How long will it take the entire CD community to figure out a huge clue, and then build ideas off of it? Throw in a half a day to a full day just to ensure they can't use the time too wisely, and we should have our date by subtracting those days from kickoff.

Imma say tomorrow will have about a 60% to 65% chance of game hint, and Thursday going up to 80% to 85%. Those are random numbers based off of no math.

[Karibou]

Back on track here. In 2011, the second game hint was in the decryption test. This year, the only thing in the decryption test was a link to the first game hint, so what? Big deal, right? Wrong. They said the first game hint. Implying what? There's more to come.

I'm pretty there was a discussion about the use of #1, #2, etc. last year. They may have even said "The 2011 Game Hint" (singular).

...and then we got another hint.

[Eric Sakshaug]

Perhaps the lack of a hint is, in fact, a hint? What has everyone been expecting? A hint, and for there to be minibots this year. Perhaps the lack of a hint means no minibots?

[Andrew Lawrence]

Perhaps the lack of a hint is, in fact, a hint? What has everyone been expecting? A hint, and for there to be minibots this year. Perhaps the lack of a hint means no minibots?

That was discussed a while ago on this thread. While it is still an option, we deemed it unlikely.

[Austin2046]

maybe our minibots will be deployed in some sort of water filled container for the end game... making it not a full on water game... but having a water element...

i'm hoping our minibots do something more involved than just climbing a pole this year (altho that was an interesting challenge at the time)... but i wouldn't want them interacting with the host bots in the main field area (i'm not sure all 6 davids could survive against 6 goliaths)... maybe they'll have sectioned off areas or an elevated platform... where they play football.

[davepowers]

Perhaps the lack of a hint means no minibots?

Fingers crossed.

[Anupam Goli]

http://memegenerator.net/cache/instances/400x/12/12550/12851865.jpg

Quick, everyone find the skin cells Dave has left lying around this year! The DNA must have a clue in them!:ahh: :ahh:

:D

[IndySam]

maybe our minibots will be deployed in some sort of water filled container for the end game... making it not a full on water game... but having a water element...

.

Minibots in a blow up kiddie pool. I like it.

[Hallry]

Minibots in a blow up kiddie pool. I like it.

MiniBOATs ;)

[FIRSTtm134]

MiniBOATs ;)

Can we put miniGUNs on our robots to "sink" the miniBOATs?

[Garten Haeska]

As soon as I saw the update on bills blog I was like omg what could the hint be then I saw it was just an update........ So disappointed

[James Kuszmaul]

Maybe they aren't giving us a game hint in order to for us to speculate on wilder and wilder ideas, getting farther from the truth, so that when the kickoff comes around, we will all be so shocked that we have a mass heart attack, keel over and they don't have to do anything for the rest of the year. The only reason that they would want to not have to do anything would be because the regionals and fields required a lot of set up, and since pools require a lot of set up, it must be the water game.

obviously.

Edit: I forgot something. Since we will keel over, it must be a water game because ships have keels

[bearbot]

Several Ideas for water game ......
heavy field and setup time
possbile game tht elevated and rocks maybe
20th yr of titanic

i like the idea of miniBoats racing around the field which a sensor is mounted to the host bot and controled by the kinect by human signals

[musicgurl1329]

20th yr of titanic

I'm sorry to say that it will be the 100 year anniversary of the titanic sinking and the 15 anniversary of the movie coming out.


Also...
http://memegenerator.net/cache/instances/400x/12/12524/12825464.jpg

[bearbot]

o woops well i stand corrected

[mdiradoorian]

Well with 2 days and 20 hours remaining until kickoff it seems like we will not get a second game hint

[RoboMaster]

No way, I'm still hopeful! They must give us more than one hint! We will demand it! We will riot and picket! We will boycott (ok maybe not)!

Has there ever been only one hint? I seem to remember not...

[Sean Raia]

The lack of a hint is a hint in itself.

[mdiradoorian]

The lack of a hint is a hint in itself.


That is funny but imagine if the hint #2 is release on Friday the day before kickoff

[EricH]

No way, I'm still hopeful! They must give us more than one hint! We will demand it! We will riot and picket! We will boycott (ok maybe not)!

Has there ever been only one hint? I seem to remember not...
Back in My Day...

We didn't get ANY hints, and we LIKED IT! (1992-2002)
We only got ONE hint, and we LIKED IT! (2003-2007)
We got THREE hints, and we ALMOST SOLVED THEM! (2008)
We got TWO hints, and we LIKED IT! (2009-2011)
We got ONE hint, and we WANT MORE! (2012)

You kiddies don't know how good you have it! Back in my day, all we got for hints were equations, song lyrics, and unintelligible riddles about John Neun, purple, pasta, 5 'bots, and similar matters, if we were lucky! Then we got a picture! And then some wise guy decided that multiple hints were better than one hint, so they started giving us too many!

[GiannaLeigh3]

Another flash update earlier..... I got so excited and then crushed in an instance. This suspense is killing me >.<

[Djinn74]

Watch them release the final game hint one hour before kick off.

Then Chief Delphi will be flooded by people waiting for the broadcast while surfing the internet on their smartphones.

People will be too busy discussing the second hint to listen to the broadcast, and we will have to rely on the manual.

IT WILL BE LIKE THE APOCALYPSE (Or maybe not).

[Grim Tuesday]

I still predict a hint release today.

Flash update IV. Either that or Bill goes all the way to Flash XI, and then he says 'fully updated' and we get a hint.

[Sean Raia]

I see what you did there

[FIRSTtm134]

I think the next hint is "flash" meaning fast meaning something to do with those high speed counters

[Sean Raia]

That seems very logical. Now what is a clever game name they could come up with regarding speed?

[Ninja_Bait]

...Overdrive...

[FIRSTtm134]

Rapid Fire

[davidthefat]

Laser tag?

[Sean Raia]

Flash Flood? (oh god no)
Flash Focus?
Hot Flash?

Edit: all the recent games have been clever wordplays on one word. There goes my ideas
Edit2: BoulderDASH anyone? Actually, this fits in with Daves "ROCK the boat" red herring, and Bills PEAK behind the curtain (sort of) I know im really grasping at straws but hey, its entertaining.

[om23]

Since we know that there will be a lot of lights in this year's game, that "FLASH" might be what its codenamed/called, all the teams are being provided with Kinects, and that for some reason Bill (FRC director) posted Flash I, II, & III.... what does all this mean?
A game where there are flashing lights and the object is to control your robot to somehow interact w/ the lights?
Use the Kinect as part of the game (extra points)?
Do 1, 2, 3 have anything to do w/ the game or is it just to mess w/ people and are there more "Flash Update #" to come?
Just WATCH, they're probably just messing with our heads...
what do you think?

[EricH]

Rapid Fire
I think you might have something there. High-speed counters from Hint #1, by my count, are enough for 4-6 goals/field with spares in case something takes a direct hit from something fired rapidly.

The lots of lights from Hint #1 are the RSLs and stack lights for the two new fields.

[om23]

I think you might have something there. High-speed counters from Hint #1, by my count, are enough for 4-6 goals/field with spares in case something takes a direct hit from something fired rapidly.

The lots of lights from Hint #1 are the RSLs and stack lights for the two new fields.


You and FIRSTtm134 bring up a really good point with "rapid fire." thats probably a lot more realistic and it goes along with previous games. but im feeling that the game might be a little more complicated this year due to the addition of the kinect.

The problem with hint #1 was that the list was basically the same as last years. one of my mentors told me that the only difference was that there was an addition of lights or something along the lines.

[Guppy294]

This may sound ridiculous and I may be reading too much into it because it says on or after, but on the FIRST WPI Think Tank webpage, it states
Kinect for FIRST Robotics...
...Presented by Alfred Thompson, Microsoft, at the 2012 FRC Kickoff Workshops. Video and/or slides from the presentation will be available on or after 6-Jan-2012.
Perhaps they will release a game hint the day before kickoff? OR they will throw someone out from the GDC into CD to be fed to the starving hint-hunters of FRC! :D

[Grim Tuesday]

Mightn't they have gotten the date wrong?

[mdiradoorian]

Definitely a possibility that GDC would annouce the game hint a day before just to either annoy us or to create a hint so obscure that everyone will say that it does not make any sense. To give an example last years game hint #2 was the first logo which made sense after the game was released but made no sense before hand.

[Guppy294]

No, I don't think they got the date wrong because on the post, it says there was already one edit. I'd guess they'd fix it if they had it wrong.

[msimon785]

I think that at this point, the hint may be released at kickoff if at all. Bill, I wish you would *please* give us another!

[Rangel(kf7fdb)]

Am saddened. Spent hours checking chief delphi...

[MooreteP]

I think the second hint may be the the Flash Update I, II, and III.
There may be three "flashes", where the human player, through the Kinect system, must make the three elements of the FIRST logo to complete a task.

I believe the autonomous will remain intact, and that the "flashes" will be the endgame, like the minibot last year.

[pfreivald]

I think that if you're disappointed in Bill, your entitlement mentality is showing and it's one ugly baby. FIRST doesn't owe you any hints whatsoever.

[FIRSTtm134]

If we are to recieve a hint it will be today at 8am est when bill gets to work, 12-1pm est when bill takes lunch or 5 when bill gets out of work

[IndySam]

If we are to recieve a hint it will be today at 8am est when bill gets to work, 12-1pm est when bill takes lunch or 5 when bill gets out of work

LOL if you think Bill is working 8:00-5:00 this week.

[FIRSTtm134]

LOL if you think Bill is working 8:00-5:00 this week.

Ok these are his standard work hours and when he has free time to post.. didnt say he wouldnt be working past 5;)

[ratdude747]

He may already have the hint but has yet to release it until later...

[Taylor]

Dave Lavery: So, do you want to see this year's animation? *pulls a CD out of his pocket* Here it is!

[Grim Tuesday]

Dave Lavery: So, do you want to see this year's animation? *pulls a CD out of his pocket* Here it is!

Do we know if he is doing the animation again this year? And the narration too? If so, all hail the little robot guy that gets broken every year.

[PAR_WIG1350]

Do we know if he is doing the animation again this year? And the narration too? If so, all hail the little robot guy that gets broken every year.

Dozer, I believe.

[msimon785]

(From Dave's Facebook)
Dover wants some revenge:
https://fbcdn-sphotos-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-snc6/163994_476631001815_509266815_6408086_4119150_n.jp g

[mdiradoorian]

That is hilarious :D

[Pauline Tasci]

i think they will release one later today simply so we cant figure it out in time.

[279 EMPIE]

i think they will release one later today simply so we cant figure it out in time.

Ya ikr

i wouldn't be shocked XD

[ratdude747]

(From Dave's Facebook)
Dover wants some revenge:
https://fbcdn-sphotos-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-snc6/163994_476631001815_509266815_6408086_4119150_n.jp g

its a hint!

Gun Game!

:D :D :D :D

[Steven Donow]

(From Dave's Facebook)
Dover wants some revenge:
https://fbcdn-sphotos-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-snc6/163994_476631001815_509266815_6408086_4119150_n.jp g

Oh my god. That is absolutely amazing. Also, it's awesome that we now have a probably confirmation Dave Lavery is doing the animation this year.

[BJC]

Guys,

That picture is years old. It's not a game hint..

Sorry, Bryan

[Marc S.]

Guys,

That picture is years old. It's not a game hint..

Sorry, Bryan

It was a game hint for 2012 from years in the past. Like how the Myans predicted the world would end in 2012. Of course, its a shooting game!

[Pauline Tasci]

are u being serious?

[FIRSTtm134]

I must say im quite upset there wasnt a second hint..

[Andrew Lawrence]

I must say im quite upset there wasnt a second hint yet

I fixed your post.

[Ninja_Bait]

I just realized something. The answer to the question is a resounding yes! It just might not come THIS year. ;)

[FIRSTtm134]

I fixed your post.

Valid argument mi amigo.

[Christopher149]

He hasn't even pulled something sneaky like posting it in the decryption test pdf.

[Austin2046]

still no game hint huh? i don't think we're getting one then... maybe we were too close with the flash references or the lights... still though, i'm thinking water miniboat endgame... :)

[Pauline Tasci]

Maybe we know the game already so they dont want to give us a second hint.... or they r evil.

[Andrew Lawrence]

Don't loose hope yet! There's still 2 and a half hours here until Saturday!

OR they'll be jerks and show us the game hint during the kickoff. :p

[Pauline Tasci]

Don't loose hope yet! There's still 2 and a half hours here until Saturday!

OR they'll be jerks and show us the game hint during the kickoff. :p
they have done that in years past.

[Austin2046]

Don't loose hope yet! There's still 2 and a half hours here until Saturday!

OR they'll be jerks and show us the game hint during the kickoff. :p

yeah they'll come out with a yellow innertube then a white one then a red triangle and a blue square...

[Pauline Tasci]

yeah they'll come out with a yellow innertube then a white one then a red triangle and a blue square...
last year. i was so confused with that hint.. i was like HOW IS THIS A HINT.

[mdiradoorian]

last year. i was so confused with that hint.. i was like HOW IS THIS A HINT.

Exactly what last years and the year before's game #2 made no sense to what the game could be

[Pauline Tasci]

something to do with flash possibly?

[279 EMPIE]

Omg what if they did give us the 2nd hint but we missed it. I doubt that happend but you never know.

They also could literally waiting untill the last minute

[ratdude747]

Bouncing green ball- tennis ball game!

[DonRotolo]

At this point, either we've already seen it (e.g., "Flash" or "Luminary") or there isn't one. sigh.

[GaryVoshol]

There sure were enough hints during the Kickoff. Plus some red herrings. And some potential hints from pre-season that were revealed to be red herrings (e.g. elves).

[ratdude747]

Bill's mentioning of the 2006 poof ball was the 2nd hint...

[Karibou]

There sure were enough hints during the Kickoff. Plus some red herrings.

When the GDC was introduced, they were all wearing basketball jerseys. That was the dead giveaway. And the amount of references to water were astounding...