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johnmaguire2013 04-03-2012 12:56
Re: Car Nack Predicts 12-1
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by DampRobot (Post 1138657)
Although I'm not quite ready to say Car Nack I wrong, I think most teams should do fairly well in hybrid, potentialy beter than in teleop. The conditions are similar to all those team youtube demos we saw, were robots seamingly always made three pointers. No defense, balls already loaded, repeatable position. In teleop (where I at least was underwhelmed by shooter preformance), you need autoaim to score consistantly, which most teams can't use. Hybrid performance doesn't need as sophisticated software.
I would agree, except for one point. Our robot was very consistent with scoring. If the shooter and ball loader is done properly, I think all robots could be as consistent.

DampRobot 04-03-2012 13:04
Re: Car Nack Predicts 12-1
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by johnmaguire2013 (Post 1138660)
I would agree, except for one point. Our robot was very consistent with scoring. If the shooter and ball loader is done properly, I think all robots could be as consistent.
My point isn't that it is impossible to make a consistant shooter (otherwise hybrid scoring would be equally hard). I'm just trying to make the point that software for hybrid is a lot easier than software for teleop.

johnmaguire2013 04-03-2012 13:05
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Quote:
Originally Posted by DampRobot (Post 1138666)
My point isn't that it is impossible to make a consistant shooter (otherwise hybrid scoring would be equally hard). I'm just trying to make the point that software for hybrid is a lot easier than software for teleop.
That's fair enough. However, I guess my point was that we don't use auto-aim either. It's all done by the driver by eyesight (in fact, I don't think we even had the camera on the dashboard working.) But our shooter is consistent with how far it shoots at any given RPM, and therefore we have presets for different RPMs (i.e. at the key, behind the key, etc.) and also can add or subtract a certain amount of RPM with a different button.

DampRobot 04-03-2012 13:08
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Originally Posted by johnmaguire2013 (Post 1138667)
That's fair enough. However, I guess my point was that we don't use auto-aim either. It's all done by the driver by eyesight (in fact, I don't think we even had the camera on the dashboard working.) But our shooter is consistent with how far it shoots at any given RPM, and therefore we have presets for different RPMs (i.e. at the key, behind the key, etc.) and also can add or subtract a certain amount of RPM with a different button.
Wow, I'm intersted that that works. Concidering our sucess with geting autoaim working,I might sugest this approach to our programmers!

Jaxom 04-03-2012 13:43
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Quote:
Originally Posted by DampRobot (Post 1138657)
In teleop (where I at least was underwhelmed by shooter preformance), you need autoaim to score consistantly....
Not necessarily. I think if you expect to hit from anywhere on the field (within reason) then it'd be more important. But if you know how fast to spin your shooter from a limited number of places (key, fender, wherever) you already have the distance part covered. Aiming from a pic on the dashboard, or just by sight from the DS, gets the rest. The backboard can give you some leeway, too.

Having a low enough gear to allow for very small movements probably makes a pretty big difference. I saw a number of robots in KC oscillating and over-compensating trying to get on target in too high of a gear.

Nuttyman54 04-03-2012 20:52
Re: Car Nack Predicts 12-1
 
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Originally Posted by JABot67 (Post 1138424)
We got 33 in the third final match. We shot the sixth ball in auton and it went in the top basket, but by the time it passed through the ball counter it was the teleop period.
If this was actually the case, then it's a failure of the system and should have counted. Relevant Q&A:

Quote:
Q. If a robot shoots a ball during hybrid mode that enters the hoop after teleop begins, will the 3pt bonus still apply? FRC1741 2012-01-30

A. Any Basketball that enters the Hoop during the Hybrid period will receive the Hybrid bonus.
From this video, it seems that it should have counted. FIRST needs to come up with a system to address this, if they're going to state that the rules will be called as such.

ahollenbach 10-03-2012 16:52
Re: Car Nack Predicts 12-1
 
Today at the Finger Lakes Regional Elimination match 10 (1551 3613 229,3173 1126 174), 3173 1126 and 174 managed to score 36 :)

Jacob Paikoff 10-03-2012 19:54
Re: Car Nack Predicts 12-1
 
It almost happened at Orlando as well. The number 1 alliance (744,180,3556) could get 5 but the other one would always rim out.

JosephC 10-03-2012 20:33
Re: Car Nack Predicts 12-1
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by ahollenbach (Post 1141788)
Today at the Finger Lakes Regional Elimination match 10 (1551 3613 229,3173 1126 174), 3173 1126 and 174 managed to score 36 :)
I do believe it also happened at Waterford during the Finals with 67, 469, and 2851.

And... Car Nack has been proven wrong.

JABot67 10-03-2012 20:36
Re: Car Nack Predicts 12-1
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by JosephC (Post 1141875)
I do believe it also happened at Waterford during the Finals with 67, 469, and 2851.

And... Car Nack has been proven wrong.
Are you sure? I was there and I don't remember them getting 36 points in hybrid.

JosephC 10-03-2012 20:38
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I may be wrong, I was down on the field when I thought it happened.

Adam Freeman 10-03-2012 20:40
Re: Car Nack Predicts 12-1
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by JosephC (Post 1141875)
I do believe it also happened at Waterford during the Finals with 67, 469, and 2851.

And... Car Nack has been proven wrong.
Our alliance never came close to scoring 36pts in Hybrid. I think the most we got was 24pts (maybe...).

JosephC 10-03-2012 20:43
Re: Car Nack Predicts 12-1
 
I could of sworn that 67 pulled off 30 at one point or another.

BrendanB 10-03-2012 20:45
Re: Car Nack Predicts 12-1
 
Team 188, 610, and 3360 did it in SF 2-1.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=89B6K...ure=plpp_video

Sconrad 10-03-2012 21:22
Re: Car Nack Predicts 12-1
 
I don't know about 36 points, but I would love to see a 7-point autonomous;)


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