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Fuego247 29-01-2012 16:57

Funneling Balls
 
How is everyone thinking of funneling their balls into the small space we are allotted in front?

Andrew Lawrence 29-01-2012 17:01

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Which small space? The alley? The key? What?

Grim Tuesday 29-01-2012 17:08

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I think he means the front of the robot, by deploying a 14" funnel appendage. It is definitely an interesting idea, and something we could put in our withholding allowance if we had any extra weight.

Flimsor 29-01-2012 17:08

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Our bridge tipper doubles as a collecter. There's an angled plate on each of the arms (connected so it's one) and they funnel in balls. It'll help during hybrid mode when we go to tip the bridge for the extra balls.

Fuego247 29-01-2012 17:11

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Yeah, I meant the front of the robot. Our front is 27" wide, and subtracting the 8" of bumper on both sides, that leaves us 11" to collect balls. Could people post pictures of what their design is, whether it be a rough sketch, CAD model, or actual picture? We need some ideas. Much appreciated!

Flimsor 29-01-2012 17:14

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Here you go.

Fuego247 29-01-2012 17:17

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How do you plan on grabbing balls from the wall with that design? And how will you power it?
EDIT: And what is the rail for on the right side?

Flimsor 29-01-2012 17:19

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It's powered by a pneumatic cylynder that rotates the arm. It's just a funnel that will help to align the balls with our induction system, so it won't actually be picking up balls, just funneling and tipping the bridge. We're picking up balls with a conveyor belt system.

Fuego247 29-01-2012 17:22

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So it will be folded up into your robot when the game starts?

Flimsor 29-01-2012 17:23

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Yes. It's an arm that will rotate down to flip the bridge and funnel balls if we need to.

Fuego247 29-01-2012 17:25

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Ok. Thanks!

Madison 29-01-2012 17:33

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Flimsor (Post 1116000)
Here you go.

Is this funneling into an opening that is <= 12" or <= 22"?

Fuego247 29-01-2012 17:47

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From the small length of the funneling panels, it looks like the <=12", but I'm not sure.

pfreivald 29-01-2012 19:59

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In my experience, passive funneling devices do not work well for balls on the floor. Active grippy rollers and/or whips are a better way to go.

DonRotolo 29-01-2012 20:39

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Yeah, we're going with an active BAD* with 'whips' to pull the ball into the elevator. Very similar to Breakaway.

(*Ball Acquisition Device)

Mr. Rogers 29-01-2012 20:44

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We won't have the 11'' problem, and we have a long base robot. ;)

nssheepster 31-01-2012 18:59

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Fuego247 (Post 1116002)
How do you plan on grabbing balls from the wall with that design? And how will you power it?
EDIT: And what is the rail for on the right side?

Why do you need to pick up off the wall? Just let it fall, and pick it up off the floor.

IndySam 31-01-2012 20:21

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Originally Posted by nssheepster (Post 1117328)
Why do you need to pick up off the wall? Just let it fall, and pick it up off the floor.

From past experience with games with balls, balls always seem to collect along the wall .

Bjenks548 31-01-2012 21:03

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Originally Posted by IndySam (Post 1117387)
From past experience with games with balls, balls always seem to collect along the wall .

Better yet there are a lot of corners this year. On one side of the field there is 4 bump/bridge corners, 2 wall/bridge corners, 2 wall/wall corners, and 2 wall/fender corners. After play catalyst and watching past games, getting balls out of a corner will be pretty important.

Flimsor 31-01-2012 22:12

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The space between the two is almost 12.5. This is not our only means of collecting balls. They funnel into a conveyor belt system that has a wheel with fingers. They only helping us during hybrid when we go to tip the bridge. They will ensure that any balls on the bridge will be funneled into the collection system, and not miss the opening.

We'll be pulling it up and collecting balls normally for the rest of the game.

Walter Deitzler 31-01-2012 22:34

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We are having two metal plate under our robot hang down so that when our sweeper sucks the balls in from our 22" gap (wide frame) the get funnled to our elevator.

jon-s 01-02-2012 16:31

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Quote:

Originally Posted by IndySam (Post 1117387)
From past experience with games with balls, balls always seem to collect along the wall .

Agreed. Our robot drives sideways with alarge opening in the leading edge.

nssheepster 03-02-2012 18:05

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Quote:

Originally Posted by IndySam (Post 1117387)
From past experience with games with balls, balls always seem to collect along the wall .

True, but a good bridge manipulator may have more than one use...
I think, if we were to try it, ours would!


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