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Not to sound too much like a "glass half empty" guy because I'm a huge fan of the basic concept of this machine but...in terms of it's other reported game-play capabilities, has the Swamp team been following this thread:
http://www.chiefdelphi.com/forums/sh...hreadid=100696 It's painful and long (unlike this thread which is upbeat and long) but there is meaningful discussion in there about GDC rulings that would seem to make the sprocket components on the underside of the 179 ramp illegal. I know our team is anxiously awaiting the GDC's response to the open questions posted by 148 and 1619 so hopefully one/both of those replies put us all in the clear! Great work though and good luck! |
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Just kidding It works fine for me on Safari, Firefox, and Google Chrome, however I haven't tried it on Internet Explorer (and don't plan on it), so I can't say whether or not that's the problem. |
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Unfortunately, it's turned out not to be quite as simple as that...
If you review the entire thread and specifically look at post #78 by artdutra04, you'll probably see the concern. In 179's current design, there would appear to be a point in time during deployment where only an edge of the sprockets would be outside their frame perimeter (because the axle connecting it to the rest of the ramp assembly hasn't yet crossed the frame perimeter) making it discontiguous from the ramp. |
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The pictures are links from our team Facebook page so your firewall is probably blocking them.
As far as the contiguous perimeter issue, we may need to add a contiguous feature until the ramp edge crosses the plane and becomes the leading edge(split second). It's silly stuff like this that give the poor inspectors an arduous task of pushing all these innocent designs back and hold up inspections endlessly. Wouldn't any time a bot tips a little violate that rule (unless it were completely flat on top)? |
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Common sense says a wheel or sprocket rigidly attached to an appendage that crosses the frame perimeter is obviously contiguous. If you strictly and exactly follow what the GDC has ruled on G21 in the Q&A forum, these are illegal. Until now, the basic gist of all GDC rulings on G21 has been: "if it is outside the frame perimeter, it must be a single contiguous piece (with the test of contiguous-ness only being the on the parts outside the frame perimeter) at all times. If it is not contiguous, it's considered multiple appendages and illegal". If this seems inane, it's because it is. You can't build robots based upon what your gut says is common sense or what seems to be the intent of the GDC. You have to build your robots based upon exactly what's written in the rules. You also can't decide to arbitrarily enforce GDC rulings on some things (like whips on an intake roller) and not on others (ordinary wheels on an appendage) even though they both violate the contiguous/one appendage/frame perimeter ruling in exactly the same manner. I'm really hoping the GDC realizes the untenability of the "must be contiguous at all times outside the frame perimeter" position on G21 in today's team update and comes up with a better solution. |
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As for my comment on the microscopic scale people are looking at appendages, I feel that I understand the intent and "description" that the GDC has given of the rule, that I don't see what everyone is so worried about. I understand the logic of their arguments and worries but I don't understand why they have them. |
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I have to join the chorus that this is a very innovative and well executed design. What blows me away the most, if I'm reading the date stamp correctly, is that this thread started at the end of January...just over three weeks from kickoff! Your team must have some very talented CAD engineers, machinists and welders to put that together so quickly. Either that or you worked 24/7 till that point.
Bravo! Can't wait to see your shooter! |
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