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StealthMentor 08-02-2012 11:09

Re: BaneBots Shorted, Now What Do I Do?
 
I thought we had a case shorted RS775, the motor ran fine for break-in, and for a while after that during testing. Then it seized and popped the fuse we had in-line. After taking the case apart to investigate (a problem I have had since a young age::ouch:: ) I discovered the culprit to be a common paper staple had gotten between the magnets and rotor. I removed the offending staple and reassembled the motor, and it works, but now there is some endplay in the shaft. On a side note these motors were shipped strait to our shop, and used only there (we do not have paper staples in our shop) everything is in three hole binders.

Andrew Lawrence 08-02-2012 11:14

Re: BaneBots Shorted, Now What Do I Do?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by fox46 (Post 1122113)

For some reason I thought that was legit. Why am I surprised to see that happen? :p

jwfoss 08-02-2012 11:24

Re: BaneBots Shorted, Now What Do I Do?
 
Dale(294engr],

Correct me if I am wrong, but you mention the RS-555 and RS-550. I was under the impression that the failures and case shorting was common place for the RS-775, and that the RS-550 has been a realitively good motor in the past.

EricH 08-02-2012 13:32

Re: BaneBots Shorted, Now What Do I Do?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by jwfoss (Post 1122336)
Dale(294engr],

Correct me if I am wrong, but you mention the RS-555 and RS-550. I was under the impression that the failures and case shorting was common place for the RS-775, and that the RS-550 has been a realitively good motor in the past.

I've only heard complaints on the RS775-18, even; though when a non-FRC application was talking about using the RS775-12 I did suggest that they check for the case short just to be on the safe side.

Kohala2460 08-02-2012 14:39

Re: BaneBots Shorted, Now What Do I Do?
 
QUICK FIX: CIM MOTOR. Nuff' Said.

We recieved our RS-775 motors and have despite all the forums saying they suck and never use them. We love them haha.

But to answer this forum. If replacing/shipping is an issue, maybe order another, or just replace is with a CIM motor.

2 CIM motor drive is just fine, unless you were trying to with with a mech. drive. otherwise if you are going with a 6-8-10-12-16 wheel drive, 2-3 CIM motors will serve just fine.

jason701802 08-02-2012 17:05

Re: BaneBots Shorted, Now What Do I Do?
 
The motor cannot be fixed, the shorting method can keep it running for a little while, but the motor will be weaker and will soon fail again.

BaneBots' lead time is shorter if you don't get a gearbox. If you contact them directly about your failed motor, they might be able to ship out a replacement even faster.

I would recommend replacing the motors with BB550s, FPs, or am-0912s. The FP and AM, except the the 0673, more closely match the speed of the 775s, making them better candidates for drop in replacement, with the FP 9013 being the closest in power. The motors on your lift could be replaced with AM or BB if you need the FP on the shooter.
It sounds like you're using P60 transmissions, am I right? If so, only the block that the motor directly attaches to needs to change. If you have access to a mill, you could redrill mounting holes that have the right spacing, otherwise you could buy a 5xx mounting block or find a local team who is willing to loan or donate one to you.

Ether 08-02-2012 17:09

Re: BaneBots Shorted, Now What Do I Do?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by jason701802 (Post 1122553)
I would recommend replacing the motors with BB550s, FPs, or am-0912s. The FP and AM, except the the 0673, more closely match the speed of the 775s, making them better candidates for drop in replacement, with the FP 9013 being the closest in power.

RS775-18 273 watts

FP 0673 292 watts

FP 9013 209 watts



nitneylion452 08-02-2012 17:21

Re: BaneBots Shorted, Now What Do I Do?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Ether (Post 1122559)
RS775-18 273 watts

FP 0673 292 watts

FP 9013 209 watts



He was using Price is Right rules. "Closest without going over." :D

In all seriousness, I would absolutely contact BaneBots about a possible replacement and avoid self-fixes. Remember that if you open the motor (take off the case) it is no longer competition legal.

jason701802 08-02-2012 17:28

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Closest in power between the ones that I thought were a good choice based on speed. Going with a FP-0673 or BB550 would more likely need a gearing change.

Ether 08-02-2012 18:16

Re: BaneBots Shorted, Now What Do I Do?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by jason701802 (Post 1122578)
Going with a FP-0673 ... would more likely need a gearing change.

It depends on how the motors are being controlled. You could make the 0673 "look" like a 775-18 by running it at a lower voltage to get the same torque and speed.

@dexo568: How are you controlling the motors?


Code:

Motor Calculator  build MCALC32ab 1/19/2012 610pm

M7-RS775-18 @ 12.00 volts:
  oz-in      Nm    rpm    rpm%    amps  watts out    watts in    eff%
    2.9  0.021  12663    97.4    4.0        27.4        48.0    57.0

FP 00801-0673 [MotorInfo4.1.PDF data] @  7.78 volts:
  oz-in      Nm    rpm    rpm%    amps  watts out    watts in    eff%
    2.9  0.020  12663    94.1    4.7        27.2        36.4    74.6



Wayne TenBrink 10-02-2012 16:14

Re: BaneBots Shorted, Now What Do I Do?
 
Is this a problem with Banebots RS775-12's, or does it also affect the RS775-18?

Dad1279 10-02-2012 21:47

Re: BaneBots Shorted, Now What Do I Do?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Wayne TenBrink (Post 1123874)
Is this a problem with Banebots RS775-12's, or does it also affect the RS775-18?

The problem is with the RS775-18. Not sure about the -12's.


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