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Aren_Hill 17-02-2012 10:38

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Originally Posted by nickwroyer (Post 1128698)
Still, I wouldn't say we're an "experienced" team by any shot; sure, we have superb mentors, but as the only programmer, I do not see that as being a vast advantage when I've been forced to learn everything about FRC programming (and Java, and C++) in scratch over the course of six weeks. I'm sensing a bit of an attitude that Aren controls 3928, but as a member of that team I feel the need to point out that, while he's useful, but every one of our eight or so students on the team are working our rears off making this robot competitive, and in no way is our team "the second coming of Aren Hill." We're a new team with an experienced mentor. That's all. Rant's over. :]

All these people know is we're a short robot, they have no idea what the team has accomplished.

The people speaking well of me were mainly doing so to backup the fact I usually have a clue about robot design, which as they have not seen this years robot they have to base on past history of robots I've been involved in.

I can push to be competitive all I want, but being surrounded by the right people to make it happen is a completely different matter. I've been lucky enough to have access to significant brain power on teams I've mentored/been a student on, that the group has turned out very competitive robots (usually).

I urge everyone in this thread to stop by the Neutrino pit at Midwest (and hopefully champs), and meet all the people who have put up with me for the last season

thefro526 17-02-2012 12:18

Re: The Ultimate Game-Breaker Robot: 2012 Edition
 
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Originally Posted by nickwroyer (Post 1128698)
I'm sensing a bit of an attitude that Aren controls 3928, but as a member of that team I feel the need to point out that, while he's useful, but every one of our eight or so students on the team are working our rears off making this robot competitive, and in no way is our team "the second coming of Aren Hill." We're a new team with an experienced mentor. That's all. Rant's over. :]

Nick,

Many people on here and elsewhere in FRC have the utmost respect for Aren and the teams he's involved with - and many of us like to mess with him because he comes up with crazy concepts and weird ideas. Not to mention he's got a bit of a fan club.

That being said, Aren is the first to tell people what he did and didn't do. He corrects me all the time when I give him credit for something he didn't do and or wasn't involved in. He speaks extremely highly of everyone involved with 3928 in private conversation.

3928 has built an incredible robot and it shows that there was definitely a solid team behind it. For a rookie team, you guys look like seasoned veterans from what I've seen and the fact that you were willing to Gamble on the Trolling Strategy just makes me respect you that much more. I hope you guys hand it to a few teams at Midwest, just to prove that you know what you're doing.

Lil' Lavery 17-02-2012 12:35

Re: The Ultimate Game-Breaker Robot: 2012 Edition
 
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Originally Posted by nickwroyer (Post 1128698)
When people started suggesting "trolling," I was scared that the loophole might get closed, and now I'm a little disgruntled that the GDC, as I see it, screwed us over. However, I think that's a risk we took and one that we can bounce back from.

Still, I wouldn't say we're an "experienced" team by any shot; sure, we have superb mentors, but as the only programmer, I do not see that as being a vast advantage when I've been forced to learn everything about FRC programming (and Java, and C++) in scratch over the course of six weeks. I'm sensing a bit of an attitude that Aren controls 3928, but as a member of that team I feel the need to point out that, while he's useful, but every one of our eight or so students on the team are working our rears off making this robot competitive, and in no way is our team "the second coming of Aren Hill." We're a new team with an experienced mentor. That's all. Rant's over. :]

I meant no offense to the rest of 3928, either. I did not mean to understate the work you have put in or the challenges you have faced being first time competitors in FRC. Simply was referring to the knowledge and experience that some of your mentors have, especially when it comes to fundamental game strategy and design decisions (more so than implementation).

darkMatt3r 17-02-2012 13:32

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In response to the topic that this thread was actually about, i believe that it's a worthwhile strategy to think about, but not something worth worrying about.

Loopholes like these are not fair in any way and in my mind shouldn't be exploited, because that ruins the fun of FRC. On top of that, 3 robots scoring vs. two will lead to a big lead in terms of points, and it isn't that hard to balance 3 robots on a bridge in the first place.

that being said props to whoever discovered this loophole on their own it is indeed brilliant but at the same time extremely unfair.

Just a word of advice to other teams, especially those having arguments on chief delphi. This is a forum, a place to collaborate with other teams, and keep up to date with everything FRC. If you have a problem with a member of your club, talk to them personally, not indirectly over a forum.

-Matt
FIRST Team 1378.

Sean Raia 17-02-2012 13:58

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I am rather bothered by the attitude displayed in some of these responses.

Ultimately, its FIRST's game, they can change things around as they see fit.
If you took the gamble on this (im going to deem it) sketchy design, then its expected that you have taken the risks into account.

Sorry it didn't work out for you guys who were sly in your rules analysis. Better luck next time.

Tom Ore 17-02-2012 17:36

Re: The Ultimate Game-Breaker Robot: 2012 Edition
 
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Originally Posted by Sean Raia (Post 1128863)
Sorry it didn't work out for you guys who were sly in your rules analysis. Better luck next time.

It depends on your point of view, of course. Aren's brother Kellen is on our team this year and Kellen pitched the trollbot idea to us even before we heard that 3928 was going to try it. We didn't pursue it because we decided that there was a high probability that the GDC would rule against the strategy. What I missed completely was the engineering challenge that would have been involved in packaging a fully functional robot in a space that small. I've heard a few details about their robot and I'm really impressed with what they've done. It really doesn't matter at all that the trollbot strategy itself didn't work out. What they built is way outside the box - or maybe way inside a very small box if you prefer.

bduddy 17-02-2012 22:41

Re: The Ultimate Game-Breaker Robot: 2012 Edition
 
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Originally Posted by Sean Raia (Post 1128863)
I am rather bothered by the attitude displayed in some of these responses.

Ultimately, its FIRST's game, they can change things around as they see fit.
If you took the gamble on this (im going to deem it) sketchy design, then its expected that you have taken the risks into account.

Sorry it didn't work out for you guys who were sly in your rules analysis. Better luck next time.

Without the $6000/team or more coming from schools, sponsors, families and donors, there is no game and there is no FIRST. I'm far more bothered by those that don't take this into account.

Aren_Hill 20-02-2012 23:12

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what it used to look like

Michael Corsetto 21-02-2012 01:13

Re: The Ultimate Game-Breaker Robot: 2012 Edition
 
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Originally Posted by Aren_Hill (Post 1131372)


what it used to look like

RIP Troll-bot. This looks so cool! Can you give us any other views on how the ball manipulator would have worked?

-Mike

Mark Sheridan 21-02-2012 02:26

Re: The Ultimate Game-Breaker Robot: 2012 Edition
 
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Originally Posted by Aren_Hill (Post 1131372)
what it used to look like


Wait a sec, does that thing have swerve?!

wireties 21-02-2012 03:12

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Originally Posted by Aren_Hill (Post 1131372)

what it used to look like

it was a work of art!

gurellia53 21-02-2012 03:17

Re: The Ultimate Game-Breaker Robot: 2012 Edition
 
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Originally Posted by Mark Sheridan (Post 1131463)
Wait a sec, does that thing have swerve?!

Oh, also this is a swerve teaser apparently ;)

Andrew Schreiber 21-02-2012 07:46

Re: The Ultimate Game-Breaker Robot: 2012 Edition
 
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Originally Posted by wireties (Post 1131472)
it was a work of art!

The real thing was prettier :)

nickwroyer 21-02-2012 09:16

Re: The Ultimate Game-Breaker Robot: 2012 Edition
 
The whole thing had a swerve drive (well, it still does) and we relied on appendages for ball manipulation.

Brandon Holley 21-02-2012 09:27

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I think saying "this thing has swerve" is the understatement of the century.

-Brando


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